😱SHOCKING! Charging My Electric Car Costs 2X As Much As GAS!😱
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- čas přidán 7. 01. 2024
- I was shocked to learn that charging my electric car costs 2x as much at a Tesla Supercharger, and a new GM Energy public charging as it would have if I filled it with gas. High electric vehicle charging prices will hurt EV adoption if it is cheaper to fill up with gas than to charge up electricity at a public charger.
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You have to be a fuckin fool to buy a electric car ! You can write that in stone !😂
what does it cost at home?
nvm just heard 100 usd a month lol
From what to what? How old was your other vehicle. My electric car raised my rates by only $300 per year, and I went from a 12 year old vehicle to new. Where you live and driving record are the biggest factors. Another major factor is if Tesla Insurance company is licensed in your state, which it is in mine. This keeps the Tesla EV rates very competitive.
@@cherokee180c0 Did you watch the video? Because I explained everything and showed the math..
The answer is NEVER to compensate people for having to pay more because of a forced government mandate. The answer is NOT to have these ridiculous mandates in the first place - forcing EV's on everyone who absolutely don't want them, or can't even afford them. If you want an EV, then get one, but if 95% of us want to keep our gas/diesel vehicles... LEAVE US ALONE!!
You realize that no one is being forced to buy EVs, right? Maybe tone down the outlandish rhetoric a bit. Go buy a new Z06 or a Cummins diesel and enjoy your life, lol.
EV owner doing math is irony. Buying an EV is purely a political act at this point. The numbers never added up.
@@Mash333 What world do you live in ? Definitely not the same one as the rest of us. Read news from time to time and maybe just maybe you will learn gov is planning to ban sales of all ICE cars. How is that not being forced to buy an EV ???????? (not to mention hefty fines for car dealers for not pushing enough EVs)
Nobody is forcing anyone to buy ev. You are just making that up.
@@Lumpia_In_Texas The ACA's federal tax penalty for not having minimum essential coverage was eliminated after the end of 2018, under the terms of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017. Technically, the coverage requirement is still in effect, but there's no longer a federal penalty for non-compliance. Where it says you are forced?
Ya, wait until they put a road tax on ev’s
That will be on all cars, not just EVs
They already do in Virginia
@@thedukeofmanville Gas vehicles already pay it when they buy gas, the gas tax helps fund roads. So EVs don't buy gas so they aren't paying the gas tax that helps pay for roads. That's why Texas increased the cost to register an EVs only.
@@kevinparsons2079except Pennsylvania. Gas tax goes for politicians bonuses. I live here
and they will 😂
The average price for RESIDENTIAL electricity on Oahu in Hawaii is 43.43 Cents/kWh, almost 4 times the national average, and our electric grid can not handle the current load without frequent rolling blackouts, yet they are still pushing for electric vehicles.
They don't care. The gov wants to control you, and the corporations want to take money from you.
That grid is 60 years old. Scapegoating EVs is silly.
@@Kognitosan ok, lets use your argument then. Our system is 60 years old, so we cant increase EV use because the system cant handle it, lol
Either way, our electrical system is not built for it, and can not handle it. It cant even handle the normal daily needs of the residents without blackouts.
Who precisely is this nebulous "they" and what do you mean by "pushing" ?
So Don't buy one if it cost more than gas to run. Or put solar on your house and make your own.
Hello from Australia. We had some guys from a car magazine car expert in Australia test two BMW 7 series one ran on premium gas and the other the electric version. They drove 900 kms from Sydney to Melbourne. The petrol car used 56.16 liters and cost $117.88. The electric took 203.03 kwh and cost $131.92. The electric car added over 2 hours' time to the trip. The price difference between the two car is huge the electric cost $333,900 vs the petrol cost $272,900 a difference of $61 thousand dollars. Would love to be paying 15 cents a kw for home power in Australia the average price per kw is 48 cents.
wow! we pay 19.4 cents/kw here in FL and I thought THAT was ludicrous! oh. when I was a young man back in 1960 it was 1.5 cents/kw.
@@leecowell8165 : Yeah... but the 1960 Tesla Model A was pretty naff! 😜
Do your homework... an EV is not for everybody; it really comes down to your situation. For instance:
We have a 2023 Kia Niro EV, which is perfect FOR US! Most of our motoring is local. Two or three trips per year, max of five hours. We have a garage, with power.
The BIGGIE... our power plan gives us free electricity to the whole property every day, from 9pm until midnight. This covers all our day to day running AT NO COST.
Our "fuel" bill for the first five months was NZD12.74. (USD7.77, UKL6.11). It would have been zero, but we took a wrong turn on a trip, requiring a top-up to get home!
As for the Kia; It is a really nice "drive"... lacking a few unimportant "bells & whistles" when compared to the BMW's we have driven for over forty years, but only a fraction of the price, and the fit and finish are flawless! I'm hooked.
I only charge in the garage and the electric bill isn’t that much higher than it was before. Live less than 10 miles from 3 beautiful small towns here in Jersey. The Philly sports complex\airport is half an hour away so….
@@Skyking6976 Please tell me you are NOT charging your EV under where your loved ones are sleeping. Good grief.
Thank you sir for reaffirming my decision to stay with a gas vehicle. Well done!
It only makes sense to go EV if your a home owner. You'll pay much less to charge than at the charging stations.
@@mr.taptap7949 ????
@@mr.taptap7949 this, if you are a home owner or your parking lot has an AC charging port integrated you will be saving lots, not only in fuel but on maintenance that your EV won't need, and unless you drive like an animal your tires will only last 1/2 of a regular car.
Supercharging is cheap but if you supercharge on a daily basis then the batteries will degrade relatively fast, about 7% a year, reducing your range and costing you 20k to replace whichever pack has issues.
EV are not practical in rural areas anywhere in the US or the world.
Solar panels or wind turbines can’t produce enough wattages to charge EV in rural areas either.
Also EV batteries performance degrades in extreme temperatures which most rural areas are at.
@@mr.taptap7949 No roadtrips , ever.
Two things you didn't mention: Time & availability. I have 5 gas stations within a one mile radius of my home. For me to fill my 14 gal tank, only takes like 4 min (I'll have to measure next time). But my tank is full before I can clean my windshield, headlights, and tail lights. Yes the pump clicks off before I finish. That's about 350 mile range, with nothing lost in the cold (as opposed to huge ev loss in the cold). Also, how much time does it take you to find a charger, and then charge to somewhere near 300 mile range? I like the honesty of your video.
Yes but are you feeling good about yourself and saving the planet. lolol :o)
Your statement about loosing any fuel mpg in the cold is completely false. You absolutely DO get less mpg in the cold vs in the warm summer. Don't believe me? Do the mpg calculation in January vs July and I guarantee you there is a difference. Cold air requires more fuel to burn, it's just the way it is. Also pushing your vehicle through colder, denser air also requires more power. That's just physics 101, so your statement that you don't loose range in a gas car in cold weather is a flat lie.
@ThumperCR lol um no. My mpg is same no matter the temperature in my gas vehicle. Infact ive never had difference in any of them ive owned.
@@Asta-wl8jzwho cares. This planet will survive just fine.
@@Asta-wl8jzdo some research on how they make the ev battery’s. Not sure if there saving the planet
I clicked on your video because I couldn’t stop laughing at the “TEARS YOU ADDED ON YOUR FACE”,.. OMG! Please please more effects like these,.. GOOD VIBES!❤😂🤣
Isn't that something🤔
Reasserts the premise of due diligence before purchasing.
Thank you for taking the time to share!
I drive a mirage. It’s an all gas car. It gets 40-45 miles to the gallon and fits 4 people comfortably.
My daughter had an electric car for almost two years. In that time frame it had 5 recalls and and one required an entirely new battery. If the weather dropped to around freezing she got less than half the distance on a charge as in the summer months. In order to make a three hour drive(in warm summer weather) she had to stop at a charger somewhere along her journey for at least an hour to charge in order to make it back home to have to charge it again cuz it would be almost out of power. What a waste of precious life time.
And energy, resources, taxpayer subsidies.
All by plan…….
She isn't saving the planet as the electricity has to be produced by burning fossile fuels, All she is doing is reducing the poloution from her car but moving it to the power stations.
Definitely not a Tesla.
You neglected to mention what model of EV your daughter has, but I suspect that you are exaggerating. Recurrent measured range loss of 10,000 EVs in N. America and found that the average range loss was 29.7% in winter, and for Tesla models (which represent 60% of the EV market share in the US), the average range loss was 24%. According to Recurrent, no model suffered a 50% range loss in the winter. A Tesla Model 3/Y Standard Range charges from 10% to 80% in 25 minutes at a Supercharger V3 and even if she was using a V2 charger, it shouldn't have taken more than 40 minutes to recharge.
Great analysis, just wait until charging station operators in remote areas figure out they can charge whatever they want.
There are energy regulatory bodies in every developed country to regulate the production and costs of energy in all forms. No one can charge whatever they want. But because of distribution costs, energy and products in remote areas in general do tend to be more expensive because everyone handling it is entitled to make a profit from their work - can't expect utility companies to expand the grid to remote communities and for gas stations to install a $10K commercial charger and maintain it and expect them to do it without recouping their costs and generating a profit anymore than you can ship barrels of diesel to remote communities on a charter plane to power the generators that a lot currently rely on (like northern communities in Canada) and not expect the pilot to want compensation which would double the cost or more. That's why charging at a commercial charging station costs 3-5X more than charging from home. The more people that handle a product and the more miles it travels, the more expensive it becomes. Take Canada, for instance. We produce a lot of the world's crude oil and gas, but by the time we sell it to the US to have it refined and buy it back to burn it in our vehicles, consumers are paying an average $4-5(USD)/gallon ($~1.60CAD/l) compared to the $2.49/gallon figure used in the video. That means charging ev's at a commercial charging station here with current REGULATED rates ranging from 30-50¢/kWh is at least on par if not cheaper than paying at the pumps. Everyone has a mark up because stuff and the time to make and move it costs $, but it's not like it's going unchecked.
@@JamesBiggarwell said
You’ll never see rural EV stations because it won’t profit. Gas’s profits because of the sheer number of sales they make.
@@therealBocaStudios you will in due time. Going full electric is unavoidable. Eventually gasoline will be outdated.
@@JamesBiggarinteressant
Thank you for your information. It a shame that the media will not be honest and give the public the same info
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience, very educational ❤🙋♀️👏
Excellent video. You are one of the very few EV owners (on YT) who actually look at the real numbers and breakdown the actual costs of charging an EV while on the road.
Appreciate that
If you make 30 or 40 thousand a year you can’t afford a ev! Or you are planning on living inside your vehicle? 😂😂😂 ev possibly can be a good investment in the future! When ev prices come down to earth. Also when the electric grid is capable of handling the super load it will get to run everything around of with electricity. One of the many tools they are having to control people! 😮
So I have a 2007 Aspen with a 5.7L hemi. It gets about 17mpg on the highway and a 400 mile range. Even at this bad mpg, it is still cheaper for me to drive this. I paid $9500. IF I had bought a EV for 40K, that is 30K more. I could invest the 30K and make $250/month in interest (that is only 10%, I can do a lot better than that). That can buy a lot of gasoline. I love how these rich folks who buy a EV claim it saves money. HAHA. @@YTSD
Where do you only pay 10 cents a kWh? I pay 20.5 cents a kWh and the electric company is planning on raising prices in the spring.
They conveniently don't include taxes or fees..... @@superstarcat7654
I’ve been seeing articles about EV repairs. Some resulting in having to total a vehicle that was in a minor fender bender because it costs so much to repair. Especially if the battery was compromised.
True, $60,000 for a new battery. Then it goes in toa car that is maybe worth $30,000 or less.
If the (currently, one unit) battery is compromised, the car is unfortunately pretty much a write off. That said, extremely predatory and customer hostile practices are *NOT* limited to EVs. Broken part in self steering unit - $14. Full assembly - $4,000. It is impossible to get just the broken part from manufacturer or re-seller/official shop. You have to get a third party part and some unofficial shop to do the replacement. Manufacturer is *forcing* re-sellers and official shops to *only* deal with the full assembly. This was some ICE Hyundai btw, but predatory practices are not limited to them.
Looks like we're heading for both new battery tech, as well as a more modular approach to batteries where the whole pack isn't compromised. We're still in the early days wrt EV tech (or even beyond), and early days of flying was neither cheap nor very safe. Electricity being expensive at winter, particular with weakened/collapsed polar vortex causing some rather cray cold snaps. When I had an EV replacement for my owned ICE that was in the shop for 270 days (!!!), I still paid *far* less for electricity than for gasoline, and that was on official superchargers (not Tesla) since I have no means of home charging.
It's also worth mentioning that during our own recent cold snap (-30°C), while the EVs had a much reduced range because of the cold, it was the diesels that didn't start at all. Personally I'll go EV for my next one, as I only saw many pros as I'm not that negatively impacted by range limitations. Pros and cons both ways, I really don't get the "EV haters" that are completely blind to the positives.
@@gottagoworkTurbo diesel engines are what are used in Antartica because they start in polar temperatures so I’m not sure what you’re talking about. There are still more cons than pros when it comes to EV’s. When you say it’s all positives you sound like a cult member.
Teslas specifically because how they make the body. not all EVs are Teslas. So dont mix them together. lol
@scottdowney4318 whats the battery have to do with a Fender bender though? you typically dont repair batteries anyway. I dont think they have much to do with repair.
I worked CES here in Las Vegas the other week. Electric Cars is the big thing coming . From your video as well as from the rich dad poor dad: it’s cost and infrastructure that seems to be the issues
Don't forget price of insurance for vehicles has gone up on price because of all those expensive repairs and batteries for EV's
See video in pined comments.
Not to mention the amount of EV’s catching fire and exploding.
My insurance almost doubled with a luxury PHEV
@@CZcamsIsForQueers ICE cars have 61x greater RATE of car fires compared to EVs. www.fairfaxcounty.gov/environment-energy-coordination/climate-matters/EV-less-fire-risk#:~:text=Data%20from%20the%20National%20Transportation,fires%20for%20every%20100%2C000%20sold.
About 20 years a go A well respected Dr. told me I would be well served if I stay at least 2 fads behind I did listen to
him and it has served me well to date!! .
Yes sir.
Funny thing, of all the people that Shamed, Shunned, Silenced, then SACKED me for "vaccine hesitancy", I'm yet to see any single person that regrets NOT taking a covid vaccine. I know 5 people with severe injuries (one of whom has already died), plenty of people that now regret being vaccinated, but not a single one that regrets NOT being vaccinated.
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Its faster cause a lot of the more recent advert technologies dont work in win7 so much fewer adverts. And zero annoying updates
I have windows 11 no problems what so ever
The 2.49 for gas also reflects the cost of taxes for road use. Depending on the state you live in there might be as much as .80 cents per gallon between state and federal taxes. If you add that to the Kw cost then EVs will be unaffordable to the average driver. Even people who home charge might have to pay a road use tax depending on the miles they drive.
+ Add the cost of Battery Change + Environmental hazard.. EV is the same as "Climate change" BS...
In Wisconsin, you pay an extra $75.00 per year when you renew your plate for a hybrid. I don't know what it is for an all electric vehicle.
Where do you find $2.49 gasoline? Where is gas that cheap in the US.
@ohwell2790 I'm in Louisiana that's the price I paid at Costco yesterday
@@ohwell2790 anywhere not blue.
Really nice breakdown! Very informative - thanks for doing it!
My pleasure!
Great video, man. The savings or expenses can vary wildly depending on one's situation and you demonstrated that very clearly. I don't think I'd own an EV if I couldn't charge at home. I've had it a year and charge exclusively at home. Total cost for charging for the whole year is $160 with a work commute. I only charge off peak and that is .05 per Kwh. My previous vehicle (which I still have because it's a pickup) got 14 mpg so I've saved greatly on gas when you consider that. Now insurance....WHEW, that's another story. I need to do some shopping around soon. Also registration where I am was around $225, more than the charging. You've got an ideal situation that you and your wife have both electric and gas. Just drive the gas on long trips for now.
We will be replacing my wife's gas car with an EV. We only take road trips in the EV.
Paying more to charge was already more expensive than gas in some states 3 years ago, specifically for those who couldn't charge at home. There was a report that a Dodge Demon was cheaper to fuel compared to an EV charge going the same route and distance. The only reason you didn't hear much about it was because it went against the narrative of going green. 😂
What! You mean the media lies by omission!!? WTF!!!
Going green is a scam.
I drive a 2003 Honda van with 120k miles, purchased for $500 cash 2 yrs ago and did $1200 worth of work to it. Pay almost no tax. Drove it 30k miles so far. People who drive EVs have no financial sense.
Thanks for actually answering the question we want to know.
Great video Sir! You are the only person that I've actually heard say how much it costs to charge ev vehicles. Beautiful truck by the way. My bride n i of 51 years are on fixed income no way we can afford a electric vehicle anyway. Thanks for sharing be safe have fun
The idea is to control your movement, to track your movements, and to limit your range.
Sounds like inner city public bus routes.
I'm all for the future of EV's, things will hopefully get better over time, but I don't like limits on my freedom.
Yep, wait till they hit the button to shut down said vehicles and or lock you in your smart home or apt.
W anchor.
@@Jblaze024 or your bank card.
Right….,shoot, move, communicate. Elements of War. Who’s the Enemy? The one limiting your ability to move.
Another concern I would have is that there are not a lot of people that actually know how to fix an electric vehicle (supply and demand). The cost for maintenance must be higher
Or outright scam people. Heard numbers that are 2-3x compared with combustion cars. The insanity is real...
Repairs are higher but there is almost no maintenance cost because no oil changes- just rotate the tires every 5k miles and change out the coolant every few years.
@@wktuba9676
_should_ is the keyword here. It highly depends on where you live and how the market functions. This will have an immediate correlation on TCO for an EV owner.
I've seen wild prices for "ev service". Any Tesla starts 500 USD/EUR. VW ID.4 came in at 750!
A motor magazine got hold of numbers in the range for 1200 USD/EUR at the 4 year mark if you drive an MG. So in summary, owning an EV where I live is a massive scam up the a-hole
2016 KIA EV. NO maintenance 50,000 miles. Wipers, cabin air filter. Will need tires soon.
I've used 2 Superchargers in the last 2 weeks, and I noticed they've dropped the price from 40 cents/kWh to 31 cents/kWh at both of them. I don't know if the drop's nationwide, if it's only in my area, or if it only applies to Teslas?
I know that difference very well. I used to charge at home, and it used to cost me less than a dollar to add about 100 miles of electricity. Now, i am staying at an apartment, and the nearest Chargepoint costs me $12-13 to add about 100 miles. Plus, this cold weather doesn't help much either. I don't have a hard number, but i feel it.
Thanks for sharing!
EV is not the answer right now. Especially here in Hawaii. haha good to see people waking up to what our incompetent public servants are doing to us.
EV is not the answer ever. The US infrastructure will NEVER be enough for everyone to own EVs. The strain right now is already too great. Let alone the costs being too high for over half of the population to buy an EV and then pay for the maintenance on them. It was the same when they wanted to switch to zero the emission fuel hydrogen. Too many people worried about crashes and explosions and refused to drive them even to test.
I'm in Hawaii and I have a Jeep Wrangler 4xe. I have panels so I charge for free at home. I also have a target across from my workplace so I can charge there for free as well. So charging is absolutely free. I put gas maybe once a year. $40 or so. It's not for everybody but if you have reasonable expectations and plan accordingly it can be 100% better than gas powered.
@@Plasmastorm73_n5evv That maintenance cost is insane!!! I mean we have had to replace 1 set of wipers and 2 cablin filter in 45k miles, just crazy high price. The same crap was spewed by idiots when rediential AC started to become widespread, the poor infrasture will never be enough. Cost of an EV isn't much different than a gas vehicle, Bolt can be had for low 20k, Tesla M3 for low 30k, Leaf mid 20k.
I disagree. Electricity is expensive here in Hawaii, but so is gasoline. If you can charge your EV at home, then it is a lot cheaper than gasoline. And you know that people here are figuring that out because I see more and more Teslas on the road these days.
@@Plasmastorm73_n5evv You are one of those ignorant types I can tell. My Tesla never needs servicing except for window washing fluid every 6 months and tires every 40K miles. US infrastructure wasn't enough for gas cars when everyone was riding horse and buggy either. Open your mind- EVs are so much better. Try driving one before you complain about them.
And note, not only do EVs not operate in very cold weather, they don't run in very hot weather either. LOTS of EVs suddenly shutting down in AZ in extremely hot weather and having to be towed. That could be extremely dangerous in heavy traffic or if in a remote part of the desert (potentially life-threatening).
Just imagine the mess during hurricane evacuations....
It is just hilarious how much garbage is in these comments. I guess the number one selling car in Norway doesn’t work in the cold. Literally 25% of all vehicles sold. You take a single incident in Chicago and extrapolate into anything you want to believe. My car has been working perfectly with temperature in the teens or lower here. 23% decrease in range per full charge is not NOT WORKING. Two totally different claims. Actually if you compare data from emergency service vehicle companies, GAS cars have a much higher failure rate in cold weather. Those are facts, not FUD.
@@cherokee180c0 get with the program dude. Norway doesn’t get extreme temperatures and your temperature in the “teens” isn’t extreme. In Chicago it was -30
I agree.
The math was not mathing, hence why I did not adopt
Very good of you to point out the nuance of where home charging generally saves money, even more if the have solar panels, while people that would use public charging stations because they can't charge at home can have higher economic burden from their transport of choice.
Gonna stick with my 60 mpg diesel ride for now. Thanks for sharing this information! 😁🙏🏼
Yeah my 1993 F250 4x4 7.3 idi sounds better every day 😂
You can’t go wrong useing dinosaur power roll that coal
Exactly, I'm driving a full size 1500 Eco Diesel ram that gets over 30 mpg on the highway, why in the world would I want to drive an electric car and deal with all the nonsense problems that come with it
@Gripmagic ahh I dream of 30 mpg 😲
My f150 powestroke could do 30mpg but the diesel prices fluctuating wildly
Keep in mind that electric rates at home and public stations will skyrocket as demand grows when electric car mandates go into effect.
Most people don't realize that.
And let's not forget the "rationing" that will happen when the power grid starts getting overloaded.
Source?
My source is economics 101 and history. Higher demand without an equal increase in supply always results in higher prices. That (as well as others) is why people in California pay over three times for electric than I today. By the way we do not have rolling blackouts. As far rationing, look to Canada’s healthcare system or California’s power systems. These are two examples of what happens when you have higher demand with no corresponding supply increase. Just facts.
@@arce4650 do you think it costs nothing to build new power plants?
Or do you think that the power magically comes from these electrical sockets?
When demand goes up, if supply can't match it, then prices go up. This help cut back on demand and allows for supply to come up to match demand.
As was stated, it's basic economics 101. Did you not pay attention in school?
Private utilities should be illegal. @@kmn8226
I bought my Tesla after I did the math with electricity cost in my area. I charge home for 10cents/KWH and Supercharge at 60cents/KWH for peak hours. I did 80% of my charging home so far. I’m still loving it and will probably buy another after this one. It all depends on your needs and the utility you have of it.
I would have had an amazing gas powered car for the same price but I would definitely be thinking twice to go for a road trip vacation with the gas at 1.60/Litre and fluctuating. (Canadien dollars and metric talk 😂)
A friend of mine bought a brand new full size EV Ford truck last year to take his family on vacation. He found that he was only getting one hour and 20 minutes of drive time on a full charge, he quickly sold it at a loss.
He should have bought a Tesla.
@@DavidDedmon-pw8jz Yeah Right, How are those Teslas faring in the freezing cold weather, they won't charge.
@@docbrown6550 Immediate Misconception, they work really well, when charging a tesla they precondition their own batteries on the way to a supercharger, and by the time you get there, its immediately charging. Alot of the misconception is clueless people who dont read their owners manual, Tesla vehicles that are deep frozen for batteries will take up to an hour for the supercharger to use the energy to "warm up" the battery before transferring power, Even ICE Vehicles have the same issues in the cold with Deep Frozen batteries, a battery in an ICE Vehicle controls your whole engine and without a proper block heater to plug into in extreme cold will not start at all. I have had a ton of friends and co workers with their ICE Vehicles needing a "Jump" or werent able to get to work due to frozen batteries.
Should purchased a couple of oxen..theyz rugged, durable, cheaper to feed...etc..😅
@@martinleavitt6094 From my experience when you travel via oxen , you are more prone to broken legs, dysentery and snakebites
Thank you! Finally an honest EV owner that considers about people that live in apartment or building. We live in NJ looking at NYC in a building. Our HOA has made it clear they will not be adding EV chargers in the building. EV isn't for everyone, not at this point.
At the end of 2019, New York State enacted an amendment to its Real Property Law, which governs condominiums in the state. The amendment prohibits boards from outright prohibiting, or imposing unreasonable restrictions on, the installation or use of EV charging stations on a unit owner’s own property or deeded parking space, or in a space in a common element that is specifically assigned to or designated for a particular owner.
Here in ger they seam to get more and more anti house owners and I would not wonder if they make it more expensive for house owners instead of lowering it public. 😅 Is see this total realistically when they have the opinion there are enough EV and gas taxes dropping too much. Until than they stay silent to push it more.
Charging at home will add to your electric consumption and will also increase your rate based on tier. Especially now during winter season, we use electric heater.
How long did it take to put that much charge into your vehicle?
There are other factors you can take into account for charging at home. One of these is the cost per kilowatt hour, which varies from state to state. Some say go solar. The cost to install two panels on your roof that are specific for EV charging will range between $12K and $22K. One of the most alarming items to consider... One of the most alarming items to consider... What happens if your EV needs a charge, and it directs you to a bank of charging stations that are out of order? See the report from the Chicago (Oakbrook) area where EV owners were left stranded in the frigid cold. It's random but worth considering when you boil it down. I like the concept of the EV but I would lean toward a hybrid.
Exactly right.
And if you put panels on your roof, most insurance companies won't insure your roof since you made holes allowing water access.
I own a solar energy company. Your cost estimate of $12-22K is WAY off. $22k will get you a 10kW solar energy system, which is sufficient to zero out most home energy bills. The cost for 2 solar panels, installed, with inverters and all related parts would be $2500-5000 from my company...a NABCEP certified solar design engineer and installer. NO company would quote you anywhere near what you stated.
He mentioned the cost/kWh. It was the very first factor in his equation. One of the two only important factors. 15¢/kWh is what he pays at home because there's no middle man between him and the supplier. Roughly half the price of gas. I don't know where you heard this information about ev's only being charged by ev specific solar panels that cost $5-10K each, but I've been installing pv and building custom ev's for over a decade and never once heard of it. Maybe there's a grifter out there with a kickstarter campaign taking advantage of ignorant people, but you don't need special panels to charge any sort of battery, and there are no laws being legislated to enforce such a brainfart idea. I can assure you of that. I charge all 5 of my ev's with standard pv and a charge controller. Less talking, more listening. That's my advice to you, D-K.
@@JamesBiggar Exactly! We install systems sometimes that are meant to offset the increases power usage that comes with EV usage, but I too am not aware of anyone doing EV-specific installs...that's a grift.
My 2013 RAM 1500 5.7L HEMI gets 23 MPG highway, and almost all of the miles I drive are highway miles. It's still much more cost effective to drive a truck I purchased over a decade ago than it would be to drive an EV. Also, I don't have to worry about ruining the battery by not driving my vehicle for weeks at a time.
You’re the first EV driver I’ve seen that has admitted that EV’s are always the ‘perfect’ vehicle. Thanks for your honesty.
I feel like you meant the exact opposite of what you said.
Does it take longer to charge your car in very cold weather?
Also, the Aptera Solar car will be free to charge as long as the sun is out. It goes into production later this year.
Can't wait! How much will that thing cost and how long will those panels last and how far will the vehicle get you down the road once the sun goes down? Can you carry a coupla mice along with you as well?
And if it's a cold climate area during winter? THe Battery efficiency is degraded, thus that means MORE charging, aka more expense.
They are actually DANGEROUS. Freazing to death on the side of the road.
Lack of knowledge on EVs. Do your research before speaking it’s called preconditioning
@@KarmaSwiss And you're ignorant of MULTIPLE tests that still show degredation even after re-conditioning. Berhaps do YOUR research before speaking.
You're quite correct, going green costs way more. In Europe one of the largest car rental companies is getting rid of their electric cars because of the cost to maintain them. And what they are buying? Gas and diesel cars.
The electric vehicle movement is coming to an end, and thank goodness for it!
I love all these comments about costs but no one is talking about the "Time"! I can refuel my 10 yr old Chrysler 200S in ten minutes, the Polestar, I rented from Hertz took 45 to 55 minutes! for only an 80 percent charge. The last 20 percent at a public station can take an hour all by itself, craziness! My rental experience has confirmed to myself that I will never buy an all-electric car, it must be a Hybrid period. Also, after 6 years of paying for your electric car, your battery may last if you are lucky another 3 years, and whats that replacement cost? Tesla is 22,000 to 28,000 are you kidding me??? No, thank you
@@tigerdeal1 Hybrids not only cost more money to buy but their re-sale value is 10% less than a regular gas engine. Hybrid repair costs come in higher and no amount of gas savings accounts for your losses on the other two factors. They still have batteries and you will eat the cost of that new battery when the time comes. It's thousands of dollars.
I've owned hybrids, never actually saved money, they aren't worth it.
@@Scroll_Lock completely makes sense and thanks for your reply. I plan only buying gas but just thinking the combo of using gas w/electricity for longer distances but again your point is well taken.
@@tigerdeal1 I would say just buy a Toyota Rav4, non-hybrid. It's the best combo of size, driving comfort over long distance and utility. You can fit a LOT of your stuff into a Rav4. I regularly drive one 2000 miles each summer on a long trip and I get 32 mpg with it being AWD.
Resale value is very high too. your visibility from sitting higher is much safer for you. There is a good reason it is the best selling small SUV in the country.
If you don't want to spend $32k or more then get a Toyota Corolla. Neither of these vehicles will ever disappoint you with their quality, reliability and economy.
Thank you.. finally somebody made a video addressing this
Yes sir, Juan Valdez here. Years ago when I picked mountain coffee in Colombia I had a fine burro. He was cheap to keep, no oil change, and already FSD. If I dropped the reins he'd head home all by himself. Then he got too old and I got a small gas truck, now I have to pick a lot more coffee so I can pay for it and go to town to get fuel. I want my burro back.
Check those figures when it's winter vs. summer and you'll see that EVs tank during cold weather. You also see a bit different data when you pull heavy loads. Then there's the time it takes to recharge, when not parked at home/work. If you're traveling, that recharge time gets to be a problem. Lastly, the costs of getting an EV vs. petro vehicle, and that's a rather steep difference up front. Toss in that home charging station and it goes up a bit more.
Until those 'problems' with EVs get fixed, and I'll wager they will eventually get to those comparable costs and reduced recharge times, not to mention the overall infrastructure needed, with the greatly increased need for electricity, and things may be different. But, if one has the $$ to pay that up-front costs, and traveling locally, there is some benefits to owning an EV (just ignore those rising insurance costs and dangers of battery fires).
The time is money with how long it takes to charge compared to fueling up makes ev another expense in my book.
in denmark where i live we have the infrastructure, but i also pay up to 1€ per kw in my home in some days..
and its not cheaper to use the infrastructure on the streets...
infrastructure and the the investments in green electricity does not come for free
on the other hand that also makes it posible to earn money on a few solar panels, i can make a couple of thousind € a year on selling what i produce and dont use
Personally, I quite enjoy not exploding or worrying about exploding. I'll leave the evs to the folks that need the false sense of superiority...
lastly it can cost a new car for a replacement battery.
that's what the guy said, if you own a home, great, but if you live in a building, than too bad you poor
@Hansen710
You mentioned some states have a mandate, all ev by 2035.
Due to the lack of charging infrastructure, the poor resale value, the high cost of purchase and the wholesale reduction in EV vehicle production, there is no way this country is is converting to all electric vehicles.
I like your channel
Yup. It's a pipedream if you think by less than 11 years we'll have a completely different infrastructure to accommodate EVs. Ain't happening.
Canada mandates it by 2035
Remember that 2035 wish is not banning combustion engine vehicles just new ones. Many I think will have the “I will not comply” mind set just like we see in IL. with the 2a issue there.
Electric companies have told governments it is not doable by then, even electricians say that.
If you were to take the time to do even a small amount of research, you would quickly come to realize that oil is not an infinite resource. 40% of US oil come from the Permian Basin it Texas. The Permian Basin production is expected to peak in the next 5-6 years. This does not mean it will stop producing oil, it just means that it will produce less each year, and they will have to drill more holes over a wider area to get the same amount of oil. This will make the price go up and will require that we buy more oil on the international markets. This means our dollars will be going to countries like Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Russia. Do you think that is a good idea? People don't get it. As US production declines, we pay more and we give more dollars to countries we really don't want to depend on for oil. Ask anyone who waited in the long lines in the great oil hostage during the 70s. www.mrt.com/business/oil/article/pioneer-ceo-scott-sheffield-sees-looming-peak-17823129.php#:~:text=Production%20of%20oil%20in%20the,biggest%20operators%20in%20the%20region. Several other fields in the US have already past their peak, so as the production in these fields declines more and more, it will put more strain on the Permian Basin and Eagle Ford. Bakken has also just past peak. So, you don't get it. Oil is going to get more expensive, or we will be sending a great deal of US wealth to support countries that hate us, and will stab the dagger deep into our hearts the first chance they get. This is what Russia did to Europe, and they suddenly realized that they made a huge mistake depending on Russia for their oil. The peak is near. From there, it gets ugly. blog.gorozen.com/blog/the-end-of-abundant-energy
Wouldn't matter anyway. There aren't yet 2 million roadworthy PEVs build a year worldwide (not counting China's own market) so no state or nation can really become all EV in less than a century or three.
If they mandate only EVs to be sold, then a lot of motor companies will just close as wagon makers did in the 1930s. Those like GM will just expand rail and military motors production.
It takes decades to start up a good vehicle and motor company from scratch. Tesla is one of the fastest and it was about 15 years from concept before he mass produced in the tens of thousands
Excellent Explanation… Thank You !!!
Very good points. I’ve been considering an EV and have no clue what public charging rates are but know we pay $0.18/kwh at home where I plan to charge if I get an EV.
Thanks mate. That's exactly what I am facing right now in Australia. I live in an apartment, the strata won't allow us to install a charging port. And there is not enough public charing station available. In order to charge EV at home, it can only be done in a house, and the houses in my area cost around 3 to 7 million $US dollar. Those people who have houses, they have the solar roof and charge their EV for free. If government eventually ban ICE cars then only the super rich is going to be beneficial of this policy.
This seems to be an international issue that benefits the rich and punishes the poor a middle class.
@@thedukeofmanville do you think that's the plan?
I see the same ppl pushing evs pushing small smart cities and many regularly talk about how not everyone should drive ...
They never mention what happens to those who live in an apartment on how to charge their electric vehicles
That’s the plan. Only the rich will own cars eventually, everyone else can Uber or catch a bus.
You also won’t be able to afford meat.
Yes and that is what they want the super rich to take away our rights
I looked at these numbers too since I live in a condo and there is shared EV charging units. This was exactly the issue for me when I was looking for a new car. It’s the reason why I went with my gas guzzler BMW instead of a Tesla a few years ago.
Yep, you had to Run right out and BUY a BMW Gas Guzzler.. Oh Darn
@@greggrusnak6094and?
It's a much better build for the money anyways. Condo is taking away your cut of the energy cost savings, I don't blame ya, it has to always be about the sound financial decisions.
Boo boo 😢
You sounded smart until you said BMW. Might as well have gotten and ev. They about as equally as expensive and as reliable 😂😂. You think you made a 200 iq move buying the most unreliable car brand in the world. 🗿
Thanks for the info, buddy. Great analysis.
Glad it was helpful!
I may hate your personal choices going electric but I can respect you for being honest in this video about the price
Why would you waste energy hating how are car is fueled? Do you work for the oil industry, or are you a mechanic, or a UAW member? I can see why they would hate electric powered cars.
@@thedukeofmanville I’m actually a nuclear parts machinist who also does deep ocean gas and oil seals for shlumburger but that’s besides the point I hate the whole ev movement for not being honest about environmental impact like the emissions from a whole new factory that builds the batteries for the Evs or the non recycle nature of the used old dead batteries the strip mining in unregulated countries making more pollution than a gas car factory here in the usa or the extra strain on the coal powered power grid they charge off they claim is the devil we hate fossil fuels then power our vehicles off it and forget to mention that part and nah it ain’t wasting energy just using my surplus 😂 it has propelled me to the top of my field along with a work crew under me of great employees who only do one thing show up rock up and make bank I tried the soft approach I got a gen z trainee who needed to go to the doctor after his first 12 hours on concrete because he had no idea why his feet hurt (true story) 😂
Bcz i hate stupidity in whatever form it takes, especially when its based on some nonsensical woke leftist ideology n mandate, that some people just cant see thru@thedukeofmanville
lmao, go touch sum fukin grass then, What skin of ur nose is it what someone drives? lol
The finishing point hits the nail on the head. Those who would benefit the most from a perfectly implemented EV (far from what it is now) solution can't afford it 🤦
Now, figure the cost of replacing the batteries for your ev compared to any sort of problem with a regular vehicle.
But that's like replacing an engine in a gas car, it's rare. Probably even rarer.
@@donborvio I can get a replacement engine for 1-3 thousand, instead of 15-20 thousand for the battery complex.
Combustible engines aren't that bad unless you're wanting a Hemming or something.
@@bullionbacked That's fine, but when do I have to replace the battery? 10-15 years at worst? By then, you're replacing the car too.
This is true and why if you're considering an EV look into any known or reported battery issues as you would any combustion vehicle's engine. The technology is getting cheaper but some EVs batteries cost almost as much as buying another used EV if you don't live close to where you can get it straight from the manufacturer on the cheap.
At least we're at this stage of the technology hurdle and not the "...and it has a range of 30 miles!" stage anymore.
i have. thats why i bought a kia it has a ten year 100,000 mile warranty. by the time the warranty runs out i would have bought another. now on charging i am charged 0.9 cents a kwh from electric company at home 98% of the time i stay within 150 miles from home so lets say the closest big city is tulsa its about 90 miles one way i still have plenty of charge to go there on the weekend shop 3 health food stores and get back home for 6 bucks not bad. now things well change once more chargers are put in. and by the way my EV6 is rated at 310 miles per charge if i stay below 70 i can get up to 350 in the city with regen. ex 30 year GM tech and loving the EV life
Thank you for pointing this out dude. Appreciated.
Hey. This is a fair look at the issue. Thanks so much.
No problem!
Most people will quote electric prices they hear from their power company. The real number is determined by dividing the TOTAL bill by kWh used. In some states, additional charges can double the power company’s stated price for electric.
Something else to consider is what’s likely to happen in accidents that damage the battery. Recently there have been reports of EVs in China turning immediately into fireballs on impact which I suspect means they’re made with solid lithium metal batteries (like energizer lithium) instead of lithium ion polymer batteries. In any case, you’re still going to have an unquenchable fire even if the vehicle doesn’t explode
You can’t even park it in your garage. Fire hazard.
@@Charles-zf6lk That's why I park my gas cars outside and my EV in the garage since gas cars are 50x more likely to catch fire than a EV.
@@thedukeofmanvilleyou definitely should be parking that ev in the driveway and no where near anything flammable i think you misunderstood the comment I know for a fact that china’s ev’s are junk and will catch fire spontaneously without even an accident and it’s happening in Russia too with the cheap Chinese ev’s already and they just recently started that there but China for sure has a problem with their electric cars and u can watch hundreds of videos on CZcams about it just don’t buy into the communist propaganda they spew because these countries hate us.
@@thedukeofmanville You're relying on the fact that EV's comprise less then .025 %of the total vehicle population and as more nitwits buy these rolling bombs your numbers will be useless blather
Remember : MANY insurance policies NOW tell you that if you park an EV in your garage,you've effectively cancelled your insurance.Better check your policy.
Otherwise
Not a bad show. but where is Manville that you are Duke of?
@@thedukeofmanville Wrong.
If i wanted an electric car i would move to a golf cart community.
This comparidon varies on where you live and how much you can charge at home. I live in Oregon where charging at my home costs about .08 per Khw and gas vosts 3.799 per gallon. The ev wins the cost saving contest where I live.
Excellent pointers, However, I get 32 MPG which means it is way out of my pocket book. It shows that my savings exceed the value over the electric vehicle by a factor of more then 4 x. Also Lithium batteries do degrade over time. Much faster then a gasoline motor. A motor replacement is also much cheaper than a battery pack. Look at the KIA $61.000 US Dollars vs. $5,000 for a new gasoline motor that will out live the battery pack. Great video
Exactly! Your comparison is spot on and backed by correct math! It's amazing that so many ev buyers don't get it - that is the basic math. Ev overpriced expensive waste of money.
Another little talked about fact is the electrical grids in most areas could never never handle having high level chargers in every home.
And let's not forget that his gasoline consumption factor was 15 miles per gallon. Your car gets 32 miles per gallon. That's more than double the savings. Plus the fact that the odds are in your favor that your car will almost never spontaneously combust.
it adjusted just fine when everyone went to Air Conditioning and it will do just fine with home chargers.@@ronhaworth5808
@@ronhaworth5808100% True.
These Governors like Newsom don’t care about you or me.
They impose laws that will hurt us ALL- like all electric vehicles by 2030 or whatever date.
The carbon footprint on an EV takes over 20 years to surpass a gas vehicles and that is only if the original batteries stay good.
Put all new batteries in them and start over…
People don’t realize this.
They think the battery fairy craps some battery fairy dust n you get new batteries…
EV vehicles will never work….
You make an excellent point, and the main reason I do not drive an EV. I live in a condo with no place to charge at home, for me it's a deal breaker even if the charging was cheaper than an ICE vehicle. I'm not going to sit at a charging station tow to three times a week for 45 minutes at a time once I find a vacant one. The number of people in my situation are far greater than those who are not in CA where I live, and we are a mandate state. It is going to cause lower income people a lot of pain, but I believe that is exactly the goal, so force as many people out of private vehicle ownership as possible and force them into public mass transit. Which will also force the population into more dense concentrations thereby controlling their movements.
I drive 280 miles a month, that's about 10 miles a day on average, and the car I have gets about 290 miles on one charge, so for me there is no charging 2 or 3 times a week, I charge it once a month, not 2 or 3 times a week. Then I do not have to do any oil changes, or replace the spark plugs, or none of that, you just charge it and drive it, the car is almost maintnence free.
Have you calculated the difference in the electric bill charging the EV at home?
You can simulate home EV charging for a month by simply opening any hot water tap and run your electric dryer all month. That'll give you some idea how much the bill will go way up.....
I learned so much over my first year owning an ev . I charge now mostly at off peak times at home and let charging stations be me last option
What everyone seems to also forget is the time factor. How long does it take to recharge? I can top off my gasoline vehicle in 5 min. Even topping off 200gal of diesel only takes just over 10 min and gives me 1000 to-1200 mi (or possibly up to 1500mi depending on load and terrain conditions).
And also your diesel won't explode and incinerate you at 4,500 plus degrees like a lithium ion battery pack will if you get into a small fender bender lol
What everyone seems to forget is that EV owners wake up every day with a full tank.
I never go to a gas station. It takes 0 minutes.
There are numerous cases of diesel and gas vehicles burning. You are drinking the cool aid of the petroleum industry propaganda. Do some legitiimate research.@@simon_hawk5758
@@noahcockroft6859 That's if they wake up at all - Lol
@@xraylifeso I charge an EV all night. I pay for the electric to charge it and I don’t have to pay for electricity??? Right..
These nut bags with EV’s don’t get it.
Like the EV fairy comes down n craps some fairy EV dust n their vehicles are charged for free and no overload on the electric grid…
Ask the Horrible Governor of California Newsom.
California had a heat wave and Newsom asked California residents NOT to charge their EV’s because it would drain the electric grid…
EV owners are delusional….
Thanks for the honest video. I commented on your previous one before I found you had made this follow up. Regarding charging at home. My power company has separated the cost of the power and the delivery of the power. On the invoice it will say my cost per kWh is $0.10 however in a subsequent section there are a bunch of other charges like PSCR, Distribution, etc. What I have to do is find the section in the bill that says "Total Electric" and then divide that number to the number of kWh I used. In my case, the number is now $0.18 per kWh. That is 80% more than the advertised $0.10 per kWh.
I appreciate that !🙏 I will be making a video discussing this issue soon. I have a similar situation with my power provider, and people need to be made aware of the true cost.
Yes. My home electricity costs 0.39/kwh. Live near San Francisco. Such a ripoff. Might be cheaper to run a gas generator to power my home.
Welcome to capitalism.....you're finally getting it....
Yep, in my Canadian province it is like 30 cents/kwh total, with a price for energy itself is a less than 50% of that.
your actual rate of .18 cents per kwh at home is still half half what the Duke was paying and using to compare. The takeaway is EVs are for home owners until the charging network gets built out
Thank you sir for your input, good to know 😂😂😊
Spot on. The whole EV solution should be a public transportation solution in cities where you just pay for use as you need and the cars can stay charged along a street system of charging. If the government is mandating everyone use EVs then they should think of a better solution than making people in cities pay for them.
This really depends on your location. Where do you live? I live in Southern California and I can't remember the last time I saw gas that cheap so I looked it up. 2005 was the last year that the State of California had an annual average gas price of $2.49 or less, for the past few years we have typically been in the range of $5 - $5.50/gal sometimes we dip into the low $6/gal. I only supercharge maybe once every two or three months but the rates are between 16 and 32 cents/kw. It's like our prices are complete opposites over here compared to where you live.
Up north it's about 34-45
Don't worry, PG&E just got approved to raise their rates...again. Sh*t runs downhill, so every other electric company in California will do the same. We'll be paying more for electricity than gas in no time.
I live in Southern California and can say the electric prices are outrageous. It won't be long before your EV is equal to or greater the cost of gas in this state. The state is evil, and actually wants to steal the money from your wallet in the most deceitful ways.
@@superioritycorp.6059 Time put put Solar on the roof
@@TheCharleseyefxck PG&E
#Campfire
My question is longevity. I've own my Tundra going on 21 years. How long does a EV last before have to change the batty and at what cost ?
10 to 20 thousand dollars to replace the battery if they will even do it
Figure around 10k every 10 years. It's a joke.
Yes ....a cool $18000 to $20,000 in 7-8 may be ten years in your EV for that new battery.
There ton of 8 years old Tesla with dead battery and some have both the motor and battery to replace
You can get one for chump change because it 20 k to replace and the car is not worth15k
@@jmartingtpthere ton of 8 years old Tesla with dead battery for sale cheap
Some even need a battery and a motor replacement after 8 years what a joke
They bought a battery vehicle, now live with the high cost to charge it, no subsidies!
Good Info, thx
Your welcome!
I just seen a bunch of these charging station go up at a McDonald's parking lot. The cold weather recently disabled them though.
Very eye opening analysis sir! Thank you for breaking it down by math FACTS!!!!! Can’t dispute this can ya😀
Great, thoughtful calculation Duke! You are looking out for people that cannot easily afford what the more wealthy push and take for granted.
You're welcome!
Some charging stations in the UK now are charging around 80 pence for a kwh, that's around a dollar per KWH.
Thank you for your explanation and breakdown! I'm hoping that they consider this type of thinking on a national level moving forward. Not just for cost but pump time for persons without a home charging option.
You're welcome!
ok home charging option. House currently has 100 amp service. All charger companies recommend a 200 amp service.
In my area that is a $15000 charge easily; most likely more. It requires serious home upgrades and may not be possible. New panel; rewiring and approval and inspection are some hurdles. Local utility company may not approve.
More than one vehicle at residence?????
@@kimscott8176A guy in Canada has a F150 lightning it failed miserably on a trip. Also was told ( after purchase) He would have to upgrade his house electric at another $10,000 I'm confident he said.
Not to mention higher insurance costs plus you go through tires much faster too.
That's weird. In Europe, insurance is cheaper for EVs
@@Rachsuchtig It's because it's a false economy there. The governments there are most certainly shielding the insurance companies from the real cost of insuring EVs. That, or the insurance companies there are in for a rude awakening. There are plenty of articles and video explaining why EVs cost more to insure than ICE vehicles, and they are reasons that are universal.
Our insurance is lower for our EV and I am in the US.
My neighbor has a hybrid Jeep and has been told not to park in her garage because of the possibility of fire and not to park it next to anyone in he driveway. So she parks in the street.
Yeah it only makes sense if you also invest into solar home etc… and even then how long to break even… and by then prices for everything will be cheaper…
How much is a home charging station and how long would it take for it to pay for itself; if at all? You would have to add the cost of the home charger to the 15 cent per kilowatt hour to get the real cost of home charging.
Thank you for your video very good knowledge here
Glad it was helpful!
It is good to hear someone with a lot of ev ownership experience tell the truth and not just push the ev on everyone. And you brought up a great point that people who need a car that makes the most efficient sense can't afford an ev because of the price. Really can't afford to drive it even if it was given to them. If a round trip to work was 30 miles on average, then the ev would make it 3 days, maybe. And if t hey drove a Tahoe that only got 15 miles to the gallon, they could make it 7 days on gas for the same money. If you do the math on a year, it's staggering. Anyway, thanks for the video it was very informative. I hope it goes viral.
The problem isn't the EV, the problem is price gouging at the charger.
If you do the math, then you’re foolish if you don’t understand.
1. Your simulated 30 mile trip makes it 3 days. OR you can just charge daily at home like everyone else does
2. If you can’t charge at home, buying an EV is dumb
3. Your Tahoe that gets 15 mpg and needs a 2.59 gallon to make it there costs 17 cents per mile to drive in fuel. An ev costs closer to 4 cents per mile when you charge at home.
Yes you’re right. The math IS STAGGERING
@@Meatball2022
#1 Can people afford EV prices?
#2 Can you charge at home?
#3 If cost per kWh goes up?
If either one is a 'no', any and all EV-math is immediately made irrelevant. I can tell you that my electricity bill has 10x over 5 years, another "unforeseen spike on the market" will send spot prices into space. That's after forking out something like $/€ 65,000 for a car. The math is very close to fantasy for the majority out there; not even taking local infrastructure situation into account
@@rosen9425 Tesla sells the number 5 selling car in America. Clearly people can afford it.
Yes - anyone can charge at home
Cost per kWh goes up? Do gas prices go up?
Sheesh. Does logic really escape you?
@@rosen9425 your electric bill per kWh has gone up in tiny fractions each year. Perhaps. Doubtful but possible. Gas price goes up and down daily. the math done earlier IS BASED ON TODAYS INSANELY LOW GAS PRICES. 18 months ago, gas was 40% more per gallon than right now. Electricity wasn’t.
That would make the math as follows. 15 mpg. And 3.59 per gallon. Nearly 24 cents per mile.
I've been saying this for years. Supply & Demand, which the government doesn't really understand, is very important. As more electric vehicles are purchased, and our infrastructure is NOT upgraded AT ALL, electricity (specially fast charge stations) will cost more and more. Here in CA they are pushing electric cars, while also telling people that they can't charge at their house between certain hours without paying a huge fine, basically, for using energy during "peak hours" which is basically whenever you are home, until 10pm, then you can charge your car.
I commented something similar. Thank you. You are the only other commenter in any of these EV charging videos Ive that talks about the future of residential charging rates. They like to rub “muh home charging” in peoples faces but once electric is the the main game in town, the power company WILL raise rates. Gauranteed
Fast charge is not full charge why not just buy a hybrid
The CA legislature already has a bill to tax everyone with solar. It’s called a tax, but basically it’s a fine for having solar. Newsome put it on hold, because it wouldn’t look good for his presidential run. PG$E gives his wife millions of dollars,for some reason. That doesn’t seem suspicious at all. So you can rest assured he will continue to do whatever they tell him to do…
It’s really a stopgap measure because they refuse to upgrade the transformers needed to supply the electricity. But yea this EV adoption needs to be at a level that we can handle. At this rate the best we can do is if homeowners only own EVs. It doesn’t make sense for anyone else to own one.
thing is superchargers are now hard to find also the amount of money to invest into new fast charger stations is quite high eventualy there will be much more supply than demand & prices will go down
It’s $0.53 cents a KWh here in Bakersfield, CA. I almost bought a model Y for about 40,000 today I looked at my bill and never even realized how expensive a kilowatt hour is and that’s residential. Now I’m just gonna buy a hybrid. It’s actually cheaper.
I rented an EV several months ago. When I went to charge the thing at a public fast charging station, I was shocked at how much it cost just to go from 30% to 80% charge. The cost was no different than if I had gotten a gas vehicle of the same size category as the EV. And this is in California where gas prices are high. Obviously, public electric prices for EV charging are high as well. On top of that, it took 30+ minutes just to go from 30 to 80. I feel that EVs will improve. But right now, they are just for people to buy (not rent) who have homes that they can charge from and will only use within maybe no more than 100 miles from home.
Hertz location is selling all is Tesla too much maintenance cost and alway at the dealership ice car where more profitable lol
It that doesn't say it all I don't know what will
I had a 50 s caddy weighted 5 ton or more.
Raise the electric to try and stop people from buying EV ,s lower price of gas either way will not last . The sun does not care same price every day . And gas wil l go
Up when it's ready . The world no longer backs America and we can not afford to give away money , 10 countries refused to send troops or anything that would matter .
EVs are killing the children mining the required elements for their batteries. Why doesn’t that bother EV drivers?
@@OldJoeBlows
Because the green movement is nothing more than a cult; serving capitalist trying to lobby lucrative endeavours. The ideologs pushing the fluff never care about facts
Evs are for people who also have work chargers, they also can charge for free at some jobs. Volta is a charging company that has free charge, let me know when free gas is available.
Thats how the system has worked for years. The rich get rich off the backs of the masses under them. Great video! Id be curious to see how EVs play out when our infrastructure cant support everyone charging them or when they begin charging crazy disposal fees due to the damage creating the batteries causes to the environment. Some states already charge a hefty fee just to register an EV.
No one said you can't invent or improve something or start your own business that skyrockets. Also, no one said you HAVE to buy stuff that people who did all the work to make those nice things. So the rich get rich off the backs of the masses too obtuse to create something extraordinary themselves. Works for me.
Stop being a bootlicker for big oil. Be a genuine conservative
Who funds all the annoying karens pushing for EVs and all the stop oil propaganda? That's right, oil companies, same reason for why they want you all to fear nuclear.
Typical FUD. The tax break specifically excludes the Rich. Maybe you should actually read it. Plus the rich pay for all early adopter technology. Without people willing to pay a premium for early adopter status, NO TECHNOLOGY could reach mass market pricing.
I hope your senator voted for Joe Biden‘s infrastructure which would’ve addressed the increase use of The electric grid.
I bought one of the first model S's way back in 2013. At the time, Tesla was offering lifetime supercharging for $2k. I still have the car and it's range has only dropped about 10 miles. Granted, I don't have all the bells and whistles of a modern Tesla but being able to go anywhere for almost nothing is awesome.
What about charging time? How long does it take to pump gas versus to charge an equal amount of miles of electricity? What about time of day, temperature and the risk of overloading the grid?
How much coal (carbon) does it take to generate the electricity to get the same distance as with gasoline? What about vehicle weight, battery explosions and, replacement costs?
We need to take a look at the total picture. You have given us a great start here. Keep going please.
I like coal because it's keeps local coal miners employed. Also, I charge at home, so it's safer, and it takes 0 time to do. I will be getting solar panels and battery storage, so I will be off grid and energy independent.
Very good and fair video with numbers to back it up. There definitely needs to be more competition in public charging networks, because if having to public charge alone like many who live in apartments and condos would have to do, it will not make sense.
where does the energy come from? Energy industry is regulated, do you have multiple options for power to your home?
Yes. If you buy a bag of chips or a candy bar from a gas station, you will pay far more than if you buy it at a grocery store. The poster should have put in his own charger. If he drives more than the range of the car in a day, then he should only put in enough charge to get him back home. I have no sympathy for this guy. If he really drives that much in a day and did not put in his own charger, he just wasn't thinking well. Also, he should not have put a big charge in. He should have only put in enough to reach a less expensive station or if he has his own charger, to get home.
You're missing the point he was making, which is many people do not have the opportunity to charge at home and are forced into public charging. He said he rarely charges on the road, this was more of a public service. What is your answer to the masses who can't charge at home?@@shenmisheshou7002
I live in British Columbia, Canada. Our cost for electricity is 10 cents Canadian per kilowatt hour. That’s about 7 cents American. Your 67 kilowatt hours would cost us $6.70 Canadian using home charging. Sounds like public charging providers in the US have found a new captive customer. 🙁
Plus they always have the wife's gas car if the Rivian is slow charging at home? OOPS
This is why a plug-in hybrid sounds like a better idea: it allows you to go with whatever happens to be cheaper or more convenient at the time and place.
Plug in hybrids are not great. Way more complexity, batteries, electrics motors + all the ICE components, fluids and transmissions. The plug-in hybrids sound fun, but plugging a vehicle into a standard outlet doesn’t get you much charge, is the equivalent of charging a phone all night. The main floor with the electric right now is the fact that people without a house and their own charger have to deal with the charging on the street.
Uhh.. you really have no clue lmao
Yea, u go get u a plug in 😂
I used to think this way also. However, you get a sub-par EV with the hassles of a gas motor at the same time. My son has a Prius Prime. Though he only drives about 10,000 miles per year. I do still love my 1999 Lexus SC400 V8, but it is WAY more maintenance than my '22 Ford Mach-e.
No it is an electric vehicle with a gas generator the gas engine never directly runs the drive train on most you could add a gas generator to any ev
Plug in hybrids can't fast charge anyway, so this doesn't apply.
I still drive a gas vehicle and have no plans at the moment for an EV, but I do like getting info about the EV's, thanks for the breakdown!!!👍👍
Glad to help
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Your welcome!
This was great! What's the winter/cold weather calculations? I know EVs lose a ton of mileage in the winter. Can you do the price difference for that too? Great video. And really helpful. We have Duke Energy and they've tripled our rates here... so im curious about what your home kwh price is compared to ours? Because if you're paying $100/mo... it's possible our bill would be triple that, just to charge at home. And that energy bill would be about 2½ weeks of pay per month. Just for electricity. Thanks! ❤
Have you called Duke to see if they have a EV discount? That price you quote is the highest I've ever heard of in the USA. Average rise in Duke's areas was 10$ last year, perhaps you have a short to ground in the A/C unit.
@mikedar8484 well, unfortunately, we live in Florida and DeSantis has been getting "campaign contributions" from Duke and allowing them to monopolize FL, as well as hike up prices. 7 years ago, our bill was $90. This year, it's constantly been $500+. For 2 people, in a 1400sq ft house. My neighbor moved here from Tennessee last year and he's already considering moving back. Duke DOES offer us some discounts, but only if we buy from THEIR recommended contractors, which... is counterproductive. We paid about $900 for all windows to be replaced with energy efficient windows. Duke's contractors wanted to charge us over 6k for the same windows, and a $10 discount off each month's bill. The math just didn't work. And Duke fines you here if they find out you've put in specialized water heaters that cut your energy bill. They really try to squeeze every penny out of you that they can. Look up Duke FL Price increases. SOME people report on it, but we're all really struggling. The whole state. Many people (mostly elderly on fixed income) are getting bills for thousands of dollars, and being threatened by Duke to pay up, or have power cut. It's disgusting what they're allowed to do here
@@shellyvine44 Duke hasn't the best record but perhaps they are surcharging for development of new generation as Florida has had a good expansion of number of residents.
Anyway, class action suit seems appropriate for the problems you are incurring.
@mikedar8484 a group of us are working on it, but it's been insanely difficult. They're the only company we have because of their monopoly in FL and they hold all of the power. They've got a full governmental pass to charge us whatever they want... and it goes up an average of 20% each 3-6 months. We just got a notice for another bill increase coming in March. That's why I was curious about the kwh charge difference. They even found a way to charge solar users here. Many of us keep our AC at 79 (at 80 mold starts to grow) during the day, and then 77/78 degrees at night. Duke blames the heat... but we can SEE the price hikes on the billing history. We really have to be mindful about our energy usage. It's our biggest bill. At times, bigger than our mortgage for the month.
@@shellyvine44Definitely need a higher visability, perhaps 'striking' in front of the State assembly Houses or even Governors mansion. I knew a guy that started one with a vacation week, carrying a placard. Within the week a number of others joined in and Tv coverage happened 3-4 weeks later action happened from Officials.
With those prices you would get a lot of commiseration!
Thank you for sharing this. I truly was always curious what the cost difference would be electric vs gas. Liked & Subscribed! ✌💜
Very surprising! In thinking about it though it does make sense. Gas stations can make quick profit from gas powered cars that only take a few minutes to refill whilst the electric cars are there for 30 minutes or so.
Fast charging puts alot of stress on the battery system, probably shortening the life of the battery, your paying extra to save the environment but they don't care about your investment in your EV? Your being taken for a ride dude, a short-term one!