Tesla vs Gas: TRUE Charging Cost After 75,000 Miles
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0:00 Gas vs Charging
1:59 Home Charging
3:26 Total Electricity Used
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6:05 Travel Charging
8:27 Total Charging Cost
9:40 Conclusion
According to Autolist, 2 of the top 4 reasons people don’t buy electric vehicles have to do with charging the car so I'll explain what my experience has been like to charge my fully electric Tesla Model 3 for the past 3 years + my total charging cost after 75,000 miles and compare it to gas costs. With my Tesla it’s great because it automatically charges overnight when electricity is at its cheapest (known as “off peak” electricity rate) and when I wake up, my car has enough battery charge to satisfy my daily driving needs. If you drive 50 miles or less during your daily driving you can probably get by with charging on a normal outlet, which on my Long Range Model 3 would regain about 5 miles of range per hour of charge. However, I drive over 400 miles a week so I needed a 240v NEMA 1450 outlet installed in my garage in order to charge my Tesla Model 3 at a rate of 30 miles per hour which can essentially charge the car from 0-100% in 10 hours. Unfortunately my breaker box is about the furthest it can possibly be from my garage so I had to hire an electrician to run cable alongside my house, under my yard, and into my garage which cost me $1300 right off the bat before I even got my car but I got a 30% tax credit which made my out of pocket cost $900. Some is lost along the way due to heat and other factors so the final amount of electricity that makes it into the battery is called “wall to wheels” efficiency and based on TeslaFi (an app used to track Tesla charging stats for owners) it says a 240-volt Tesla Wall Connector can average 94% efficiency. If we assume 94% wall to wheels efficiency we also have to consider phantom drain which is the electricity lost when an electric vehicle is parked while not plugged in to a charging outlet so for example every day for 8 hours my car is in a parking lot unplugged and it loses some charge over that period. I average about 2,000 miles per year for traveling on road trips which means 8% of my total miles are when traveling and 92% is from home charging. For home charging, my off-peak electricity rate is $0.07080 per kWh. 92% of the 20,728 kWh has been home charging which means I’ve spent about $1,350 on home charging so far + $54 on Supercharging so after 75,368 miles I’ve spent a total of $1,404 on charging. To that in perspective, if we consider a popular Tesla competitor from the same year, a 2018 BMW 3 series that averages 28 miles per gallon & also requires premium gasoline (which costs an average of $3.475 a gallon in my county) to drive that BMW the same amount of miles the fuel cost would be about $9,353. That's $8,000 in fuel savings after 3 years. I plan to keep my Tesla Model 3 for at least 10 years so if I keep this up, after another 7 years the savings could be close to $25,000 which could pay for a solar roof and allow me to charge for free for the rest of time. That's another advantage of an electric vehicle: it can be charged from 100% renewable energy.
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Dude why do you go to Indianapolis so much? My city sucks…
cant stop watching this type of video. I've been watching probably since the Model S reviews. I'm watching Tesla since the Roadster though
$100 or less?!? What are you, crazy? Electricians charge around $100/hr, and even if the panel is right there in your garage, it will take over an hour just to do it. And that doesn't include materials. Please stop misleading people.
Do you like shilling for crooked charities??!! The link you gave for 'peoplepower' charity gets a failing rating from charity navigator because they spend more than half of their money on administration, and CAF America doesn't even have a rating. WTF?!?
Sold...Definitely gettin a Bidet now! TY for the incredible insight to make passionate arguments to those I know who don't support the EV movement. Also will donate $50, great more than worthwhile cause with better than lottery odds I'm sure. Great video, subscribing now!
Omg I started laughing so hard when he said that you could get a 240v charging station installed at your home for 100 dollars or less , you can't get a electrician to even show up to your house for 100 dollars
maybe parts $100
Electric cars are not the answer
@@mattofafnir5654 Gosh! You better warn the auto makers.
@@sgtcrab2569 EVs - they’re not green. Batteries not green - no one wants to discuss the mining of the rare earth minerals. No one talks about the lack of recycling of the spent batteries. No one wants to address the lack of charging infrastructure. No one believes in nuclear power. The whole EV notion is dumb. The F150 Lightening weighs 7,500# EMPTY. Try keeping tires on that. I can go on. EVs are an emotional response to the weather - which just changes.
He didnt say $100. He clearly stated that it cost him $1342 to install and posted the cost on the screen. I don't how or where you heard or saw $100 unless you just like making up numbers in your head to fit your narrative. Weirder still is that 19 other ppl agreed with you.
Does this mean that if millions of people start charging their cars at night, it will eventually become a new peak period?
Mysterious Plankton
"Does this mean that if millions of people start charging their cars at night, it will eventually become a new peak period?" Yep. People will have to choose between cooking and washing and drying their clothes or charging the car.
No, it will mean coal companies will have to burn it to keep the power grid going. We have been duped and there is no way around it.
@@10MinutestoRouletteFortune
Not necessarily coal. Before the Watts Bar 2 reactor came online in 2016, the last nuclear reactor to come online in the U.S. was in 1996. We’ve had one nuclear accident with no deaths in 70 years of operating electricity producing nuclear reactors in the U.S. Nuclear is the forgotten energy source that works at night too.
@@Dr.TJ1 True.........but either way it will be a hard sell for the greenies who want to save the earth but have no legitimate ideas to make it happen. I'm with you, Nuclear power is the answer.
While the choice of power supply can be determined the distribution of that power can't. That power will go over existing distribution lines that are aged and in many cases need replaced. This point was made several years ago when EVs were talked about.
Distribution line are constructed for the given load at peak times for a given time. If the peek load changes to 24/7 because EVs are being charged then the existing lines may not be able to handle the extra demands. And may result in brown outs or blackouts due to taxes or overloaded circuits.
This very thing has been discussed at out local electric coop meetings, with the CEO of that company being the one to bring up the possibilities.
Regardless of which way things end up, getting rid of fossil fuels will call for a drastic restructuring of material used to produce those items made from refined crude oil. And it may be necessary for glass to make a big comeback in many instances.
Love how he says charging at hotels and other people's homes is free. Here's an idea though. I'll buy one and have my friend buy one. We'll charge overnight at each other's houses so it will be free for both of us! Damn, I knew it could work, just wasn't thinking about it right. Thanks for making me see the light.
😂
And hotel rooms are always free......or do they let you just take up space and power without staying at the hotel?
Right. I hear so much from owners of EVs that they pay so little in fuel and maintenance, but they have no idea how much CO2 is created in the making of their EVs. From a CO2 perspective, the manufacture of the EV vehicle creates about 3x more CO2 than manufacture of a combustion engine vehicle. I've seen numbers that indicate the break even for EVs is about 90,000 miles. But for Hybrids vs EVs, the break even on CO2 is upwards of 400,0000 miles! Also, that free charging at some public chargers and the free charging for referring people is a great sell but I don't have 1,400 people I could even potentially refer and that CO2 created for generating that free charging doesn't go away just because it cost the car owner nothing to charge their car. Don't get me wrong, I want an EV, but I can't justify paying $60k for a vehicle when I could get a really nice car for $40,000. Long term tires costs are higher (replacing tires every 20 to 25k miles depending on driving habits, too. Overall, I think the best value out their now, in terms of cost and CO2 emissions is a hybrid.
I do own a 2016 Hyundai Sonata that I bought new about 5 years ago. It is a great car and the newer ones are even better. My 17 year old son drives that now, which saves him money at the gas pump. I'll be looking for another car in about a year for our daughter and will consider doing something similar for her. EVs may be 5 or 6 years away before the financial "savings" become real as more options on the market may bring prices down (though in the current era of Bidenomics, that seems like a pipedream) and real CO2 emissions savings can be achieved with shorting break even periods.
charging at hotels IS NOT ALWAYS FREE....that bullshit
@@thechase-secondchance5077 this is a really good video bringing up not so much about the manufacturing of the cars but stuff around them.
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Apart from the lithium battery the cars are pretty much similar in wasted CO2 emissions.
The lithium battery takes a lot of energy to produce but is negligible when looking at other factors the diesel world does.. Hope you watch the video!
Let me point you to Germany, where some towns did away with all their diesel-powered busses for publiuc transport. Such a bus does about 190 miles on a full tank. They were replaced with electric busses. After a year they moved all the electric busses to a storage facililty and bought diesel-powered ones again. The reason is that on a full charge they only did about half that distance. That is, if the weather was good. But in winter they did maybe 1/3rd and it's not really feasible to have them sitting on a charger during the day for hours at a time. Also, the hilly regions brought down their range even more.
On top of that, intensive use means a lot more maintenance.
Your tesla looks nice, but you do a very limited amount of miles a week. Oh, and after 10 years with your tesla you may be looking at having to replace your battery, whcih basically will be as much as buying a new car.
If you go to a junkyard in Europe they’re full of electric cars. Because people can’t afford the batteries
You forgot to point out that due to the long recharge times more electric buses have to be purchased. A 100 mile charge does not cover a daily route.
@@JB-lp9xr 😂😂😂
@@JB-lp9xr That’s what I was told. By reliable sources
And now with the cost of everything going up.....
My concern is once the majority of vehicles on the road are electric, charging costs will increase exponentially.
Let's not forget the coal it will take to keep the power grid going in winter. It's already being used. We have been duped while we send our oil reserves to China.
EXACTLY.
I will have invented a solar powered Tesla by that time. It will never need an outlet.
@@10MinutestoRouletteFortune well, coal fire powerplants are more efficient than a IC vehicle and a EV can go 2000 miles with the same amount of energy that is in 16 gallons of gas.
Idk if there's a single ic vehicle on the road that can actually do that.
@@thegreatempire3882 "Coal fire powerplants are more efficient...." Tell that to the greenies that what to save the planet as I agree. While you are at it tell them they are further destroying the earth by not having a proper way to disposing the batteries or the cars that run them as they are far too expensive to replace in most cases. Check out the 10s of thousands of cars piling up in Europe destroying the earth. Bottom line in, they don't have one solution to saving the planet as without N power in the forefront, nothing else will work. The can make N power aircraft carriers that will run for decades for free....surely we can do the same with cars. How about Hydrogen powered cars? They have designed them but the guy that had the patent showed up dead one day. Those are the real solutions. Problem is, not many can get rich off of those ideas. Yes, cars CAN run on water.
"California Asks Residents to Avoid Charging Electric Cars Amid Power Grid Strain," Now this was during a heat wave but is an indicator of things to come.
Exactly. Kalifornia can't keep the electricity flowing as it is. million more EVs are not doable there.
It;s one reason though Tesla also sells solar and power walls. Because you can't depend on the grid
I'm not an EV fan, but using Commiefornia as the control is not because of EVs. It's their own suicidal policies. Rolling blackouts have been a staple in that state since at least the 90s.
@@seinfan9 I had no idea it went that far back.
And they keep voting for the same type of morons that only make it worse. SMH
I should talk. I live in NY. LOL
2 more years then I'm out of this liberal dystopia
There are gas shortages there too. And $6.15 a gallon.. I'll take my chance and charge up.
@@jbfalaska Not seeing any gas shortages, just expensive gasoline. But lack of capacity for charging cars is real and a stake in the heart for EV the way the grid is now. Besides for the $15K extra an EV costs I could fill a $21K ICE vehicle for 7 years.
The cost for the Tesla model 3 right now is closer to 50-60K, including taxes, shipping, charger, tag title etc. Very difficult to justify that up front money now that rebate amounts are shrinking.
You can get a nice 50-55 mpg hybrid for 30k. That's a whopping difference in up front costs that can take many years to recoop! Assuming you keep your EV for at least 5 years.
Also the idea that EV cars are better on the environment is a farce.
The mining, processing, and disposal of spent rare earth metals and the carbon emissions that come from the fossil fuel driven heavy industrial equipment used to mine them and bury spent materials is often left out of the conversation. And what about the environmental impact from the ocean going ships and on land trucking used to transport these materials?
The recycling of these EV batteries is just too costly at this point and it is cheaper to send the dead batteries and/or the remaining useless materials, even after recycling, to countries with little or no environmental standards where they are burned or buried. And that is exactly what is being done. Not very good for your health if you are a person who lives in, say, Thailand or China.
This also makes the US more reliant on China for a very very important part of everyday American life...the freedom to travel.
China who is the largest supplier of these rare earth metals have over 80% global market domination in this industry.
America has all but given up on the mining of rare earth metals and minerals precisely because of the fact that it poisons our environment and ground water. Many rare earth elements reside among mineral deposits with radioactive materials that can and do leach into the water table. NOT GOOD!
And don't get me started on the power generation increase that accompanies the surge (no pun intended) in EV charging. More coal/natural gas burning anyone?
Ask anyone in California about the pitfalls of too much reliance on power station output. Rolling blackouts are becoming more and more of a problem because of electrical energy demand.
My conclusion...
Buying a hybrid with a much smaller battery footprint than an EV is just as smart and environmentally safe as buying an EV but it's a lot cheaper. And...Gas prices will most certainly come back down when we get a decent president again.
I suppose that the answer is complex but the installation of solar power grids to supplement power generation is the best approach at this point. But don't forget that solar panels do not last for ever and they have toxic components that have to be disposed of as well.
It's like you say it doesn't help environment transfers wealth fr O&G to those investing in electricity.Also my god if battery catches on fire 🔥🔥🔥
Germany is so feed up with green energy they are going back to coal& oil plants yes that's real
Net zero nation are a slide into poverty while Iran and numerous nations must laugh at US.
I'm in Canada and it's bad here $10 gallon gas 4.646 liters with a dictatorship run by Justin Trudeau who claims to be a Christian but has allowed over 50+ churches burnt.
All great points that you make that the EV people don't want everyone to know.
And the power grid would have to be rebuilt because they couldn’t handle the excess power needed for everybody to have recharging station in their home. That’ll cost millions and I’m sure the power companies are not willing to do that
@@JB-lp9xr Sorry, but I have zero confidence in GM to produce a quality product.
GM can't even make dependable/recall free gas cars/trucks. I can't even imagine how bad one of their electric cars would be.
When everybody gets an electric car, I like to see him do another video on how much it cost....then. Electricity still comes primarily from traditional fuels, something he conveniently left out.
Exactly. Saying electric cars are emissions free is crazy. The emissions are just coming from somwhere else.
Unless you select to get it from renewable sources, wind , water, solar .
@@callmebigpapa right so the other 80% comes from burning fossil fuels. Do you honestly believe we will somehow be able to run everyones homes and cars on renewable electricity? If so fill me in on how they will accomplish that in this lifetime
Another thing nobody is talking about.... Most road building and repair budgets are based upon income from gas taxes....Whose pocket do you think they are going to pick once there is no gas to tax?
@@callmebigpapa 10 years from now there won’t be all these gas stations around. I can’t wait to get my next car and it’s going to be electric ! Old dinosaur!
Electric costs will double to pay for the same Taxes that fuel has. Government will Not let you drive without paying up.
I think that when people pay their yearly car tax, electric cars in the future might have to pay more to cover the loss of gas tax revenue. At one time my state of VA used to give a tax break for hybrids and electric cars. Then the realized that they are using the roads too and need to pay their share.
@@nans969 and with electric there is no competition with pricing as there is with gas so prices go up with nothing to stop them. Bad idea for consumers, great for electric co and govt.
@Tom C every "fee" and "license" is a TAX. Govt. breaks down large lump sum payments so we don't get sticker shock. Why do licenses need renewal if you didn't lose it?? No one can or would pay tax on say 2,000 gallons of gas they used in one year. For example half of the cost is TAX so say $3 a gallon for 2,000 gallons would be $3000 you owe in TAX. The govt will have you pay each time you recharge. Remember when bank swipe cards were free to get everyone using them? Not free now. They suck you in and then one too dependent on it they charge and charge $$$. I've been around long enough to have seen this crap happen over and over again. I can't say getting a few free charges negates the higher cost of these vehicles. If you're old enough to remember the VW bug, the 2 cylinder air cooled jobs that were great on gas and cheap to maintain, well they won't sell you anything like it anymore, not enough profit.
@@HypocriticYT actually regulation is a factor that can keep prices down. This is why stores couldn't charge $50 for sanitizer during covid
@@jonjeskie5234 Oh no, this is govt. taxation we're talking about. Do you really think the govt. will let $ billions in revenue go unrealized because we change from gas to electric? What would pay for all the road infrastructure???? Taxes only go up, they never disappear or lower. I'm old enough to have experienced decades of taxation.
In Australia they’re formulating a tax on EVs to offset the loss in revenue from fuel taxes 😬 Its coming mate 👍
Victoria, a state in Australia is introducing on 1st July 2021 a 2.5cents per kilometre tax on all EVs in that state to recoup loss revenue from fuel tax. NSW is closely following. Nothing is free…
The parasites were never going to let you escape their bloodsucking.
@@ffwast so, roads need maintenance. Figured you should know. Oh! Also, building them is expensive.
@@GuntherRommel >roadcuck
The proposed infrastructure bill here in the US claims it specifically will not be funded by increasing a gas tax. They are funding it by taxing anyone who makes over 400k a year.... doubt it will pass but who knows?
I wanna get a EV but i live in Louisiana, and the major problem is evacuating for storms. a trip that would normally take maybe 5-6 hours could take 24-36 hours in those types of events... and apparently charging stations are bad enough in normal situations with them not working or being too far away or worse yet just taking too long to charge if its not on the tesla network. So in those situations im not sure if a EV, most importantly the charging networks, will be reliable as you want to get out the path of the storm as fast as possible, not wait 1-2 hours on it charging while its barreling down on you and extending an already brutally long trip from everyone evacuating the city.
So, you're one of those that wait to the last minute to evacuate?
@@scottwilkins No. I am from south Louisiana and now live in Texas. The last minute people can generally evacuate quickly - but not safely. The truth (which ev fans never seem to want to hear), is that hundreds of thousands of people evacuating takes time. NTKN's numbers reflect the real world...not the unicorn dotted fairy tale world of ev fans.
Many issues with his comments about this.
So what happens if I go on a long trip that requires the battery to be recharged no less than 6 times? How long will I need ro wait for it to recharge? How often and how many charging stations are there? What happens if and when everyone has a battery powered vehicle. I guess recharging at home, at night won't be the optimal time any longer? What about the congressional hearing that are vetting out that to recharge a Tesla is 50% more than running your air conditioner at your home if you were using 5 AC units?
How much Coal and Oil from the power plants will it take to recharge everyone's battery power cars once we all go to this type of travel? Are we set up right now to go to this? If not, how long will it take to get there so no one is inconvenienced by switching over to battery powered travel?
Just a few of my questions here.
Watch the Out of Spec Motoring channel. They do cross-country trips in Teslas all the time.
take aways from this video:
1. tesla has great fuel savings
2. andy's got a clean fresh ass
#2 made me chuckle
@David Moore and both of those cars are boring to drive.
LMAO, he's right. I always had a bidet until I moved to the US. I hope I can get a real one when I remodel my bathroom.
@@icedragon2000 ?
lol
I'm in California and when you go over "your" electric limit the price jumps up, then again and again as you use more. No bargain in CA.
Is what you're mentioning for household electricity consumption? I can also envision that over time, "free" charging stations may not remain free and will require debit cards for charging the cars.
Check your utilities rate plan. I switched to a Time of Use plan and charge at times with the off peak rate. Not getting the $0.07kW that Andy is getting, but $0.17 is still pretty low for CA. Averaging $0.07 per mile with a performance model 3 on home charging.
Also in California gas prices are way higher than where he lives
I pray everyday that you have that one big earthquake and you're fucking State cracks off and drifts into the Pacific fucking ocean.
@@JimmyGunXD556 Amen:-)
Where does the electricity that you charge your vehicle com from? That is - is it generated from coal/gas powered electrical plant? If so you are still contributing to the greenhouse gas. How much does a battery replacement cost and how is the old battery ecologically taken care of?
It comes from the solar panels installed on my house. Four years of no cost fuel plus the electric company sends me a check for about $4000 every year. What were you saying about coal?
It's still much more efficient to burn coal from a powerplant than burning the gas in your car winch is incredibly inefficient
@@tor9273 the efficiency of your solar panels AND your ev battery are already in decline. Petrochemical products are used in the manufacturing of solar panels and ev batteries. Solar panels cannot be recycled.
@@Pat-nl4wk
You’re criticizing solar power because my solar panels will only last for 50 years. Hilarious.
@@Pat-nl4wk
“So can solar panels be recycled? The short answer is yes. Silicon solar modules are primarily composed of glass, plastic, and aluminum: three materials that are recycled in mass quantities.”
How will using the heater or air conditioning lower the range? Does winter come to where you live?
You also forgot to mention the cost of replacing the battery. That's half the cost of the car.
According to torture tests on the batteries in Tesla cars, your suspension will fail before the battery pack does.
@Marcus Payne Yes but that's assuming you're the first owner of the car. The used market is where most people buy their vehicle.
@Marcus Payne Nope, wrong again, why do you lot make this shit up ? legit question....
@Marcus Payne Sure, but when you go to trade in your car with batteries that have been 50% depleted, good luck getting a good deal. Ditto if you try to sell it on your own. Plus, I highly doubt batteries will last 300-500k miles, especially when considering the countless times they've been depleted/recharged.
I live in GB, 90% of cars are parked on the street, often away from your house, also the charging stations are far away and very few, so you would have to get a taxi or public transport just to get in your car ( if it hadn't been stolen overnight). This man lives in Utopia with his head in the clouds, also good luck when you need a replacement battery, $17000 to $22500.
Alan, not very often we hear common sense from our "original founding fathers". We rebels here in the states are full of pie in the sky dreamers with NO sense of reality.
@@callmebigpapa another sound bite in place of reality.
@@callmebigpapa Yes, turn you 12 hour charge into a 12 day charge. lol
Andy , it may help others to know that charging with the super charger is not recommended on an every day, or regular basis. It degrades the battery.
On the bidet,. I totally 100% agree. We have had one fir some 18 years and it is literally painful to do without.
Bidet= no rusty star!
Great video Andy. Fantastic analogy with the bide. :)
If I could have gas given to me 'free' or subsidized, I am sure my costs would drop substantially. He is right about 7 cents a kw being extremely low. Here in Tx I pay between 11 and 14 per kw with 'green' energy. I am glad that he has the financial resources to purchase his Tesla and then operate it off of other peoples money.
In Ohio, costing about $.05/kwh. Guess we got it good
You pay through the ass in Texas for electricity because of the ridiculous privately controlled power grid in Texas and the insanity of not being connected (for the most part) to the national grid. Texas is the exception - between stupid regulations and privatization the system id broken and cannot be fixed the way that it is structured.
You can thank the greedy powers that be for that, ya'll voted them in.
@@mikejones4308 It's 14 here.
nancy let him borrow the money to do all this stuff like mommy like son lol.
@@Mike-lt6sj Wow, I can't even fathom over twice the cost. I would definitely be looking for alternative sources. If you're on your own land and have a lot of trees, check out DIY Gascolater (sp?) for converting wood burning into fuel for running a generator for electricity and charging up batteries.
Another problem is if you don't own a house with a garage. You can fill up your gas tank in 5 minutes. A lot faster than going to a charging station and waiting for your 80% charge.
TIME IS MONEY !!
When the oil depletion allowance goes away that will just mean faster pain as the price of gasoline increases with the loss of the subsidy..
Buy a house 😉
Trueeeeee
Have charging stations where I work, but I still charge at my house. But people charge their cars while they are at work. You will see more of this as more electric cars are purchased, and you'll see charging times continue to be reduced. Before long gas cars will become like VCRs.
Just curious, when the time comes, how much does the battery bank and labor cost to replace it on your Tesla?
It's expensive, but manufacturers are offering 8-10 year warranties on batteries.
Andy,
You are so knowledgeable about Tesla! I really appreciate you for all your Tesla video clips.
As more electric vehicles come on line and charge from home, what will electric utilities have to do to keep up with demand? Upgrades will be passed on to the consumer in higher rates.
The car owner could be responsible for the upgrade because it could be considered “added load”. And the upgrade could be up to ten thousand dollars.
WRONG. again. utility companies are running scared from tesla power. PG&E is trying like HELL to get legislation passed to TAX tesla solar power systems for every kwh produced- EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT TIED TO THE GRID! the current energy producers ARE big oil. they're just as threatened by solar as they are by tesla vehicles. EVERY story / study you've EVER read about EV's being bad- paid for by ? big oil.
THEY LIED TO YOU. renewables don't cost more- THEY COST LESS! not difficult AT ALL to look up the cost of producing solar energy per kwh. see for yourself.
The amount of copper to do such currently is not mined. The copper industry would need to expand its current rate of mining 5 times. Thats just for the infrastructure for added electricity, it doesn't include the 150lbs of copper each EV contains. According to the Periodic table, the only other metal capable of carrying current is silver and there isn't enough on the planet for that. Once you factor in the needed nickle, cobalt and a few other metals its physically impossible to have nearly as many EV's as gas vehicles.
@@jwhan8615 I'm SO GLAD you figured all that out! you should call elon RIGHT AWAY & let him know that you & the oil trillionaires you're shilling for have solved ALL their problems.
and by the by- they ARE mining copper, but not nearly as much as they could be. copper is not even close to being in short demand. recycle rate alone would meet tesla's demand for quite some time to come.
you REALLY should check your sources before you dive all in. all the fud you've been reciting comes straight from big oil. they don't believe in their BS either- that's why they- along with GM, Toyota & ford spend BILLIONS funding election campaigns, lobbying and paying off government officials & federal agencies- THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T WIN. if they could? there would be NO NEED to cheat, lie, murder & bribe. all they'd have to do is just sit & wait for eV's to implode. but that's NOT what they're doing. did you know that the fed gave big oil 21 BILLION in federal subsidies in 2021? an industry that grossed 4.5 TRILLION last year in road transport ALONE. pull your head out of your ass & open your eyes. you're being played.
ev's are NOT about 'saving the planet'... or virtue signaling or even about pollution. it's about building a better, safer car. THAT'S ALL. pay attention to what elon says about EV's- RENEWABLE. not green- renewable. you can RECYCLE: copper, cobalt, lithium, nickel, carbon, aluminum, steel. you CANNOT recycle petroleum. and we will eventually run out. but more importantly- if big oil HAD a more valuable product to offer- then they wouldn't constantly whine about ev's- they'd just compete & win.
THEY ARE LOSING. my cost of operation? less than 1/4th of yours- car price included. and now that 4680 batteries are here? 1/10th.
@@jaybee3165 I live about 3 miles from the 3rd largest copper mine in the world, I have friends that work there. I know far more than most. I am not a shill for gas. I live in current reality and not not some pie in the sky unattainable nonsense. I am hoping Toyota and their hydrogen engine is as good as they claim, if so EV will join the ranks of good ideas that didn't last long like laser disks for movies.
I enjoyed your bidet analogy at the end of the video. I was inspired... So I got a bidet installed in my Tesla.
Sounds… clean
Yea, really didn’t care to hear about his personal hygiene.
Next, astronomical growth in bidet sales at the Tesla dealership.
And I now carry toilet paper in my Kia Optima
@@happydazeharvick4399 you meant "gastronomical" growth.
Andy in your comparison if you also added the amount of basic maintenance for the BMW the difference would be staggering.
Awesome video Andy!! My Model S will be here this week hopefully.
You also need to look into the battery replacement cost. Yes it will need to be replaced now and then and you are looking at around $17,000 for the replacement battery and installation cost.
The longer you have the battery the less and less and less efficient it becomes.
And IC engines wear out piece by huge number of moving pieces and auto trans with hundreds of moving parts wear out piece by moving piece costing large amounts of money in the inevitable process. Yes, some engines and transmissions are more reliable than others but there are all those on the really bad side of the curve. Of course there are all the maintenance costs of those complex systems along the way as entropy takes it toll.
Good point on battery replacement costs. The Dems will slap taxes on this vehicle.
You mean the Dem's increase in tax incentives for EV's?
@clot shots When I switch to an EV, it won't be a Tesla. My Lexus is 24 yo this month. My driving needs have changed and now an EV might suit me well. But I certainly won't pay dealers' prices.
@@wholeNwon I'm not trying to start anything but you can put a new engine and transmission in a vehicle foe a lot less than a $17,000.00 battery. lol I will stick with my 2000 jeep wrangler with its original inline 6 cylinder with its 250,000 miles on it. Its 22 years old and is driven every day. If EV cars were better right now, I would own one. If I cant go on vacation to my favorite destination like I do twice a year which is over 750 miles from my house and charge it as fast as it takes to fill up my car with gas, they will never be able to replace anything. Maybe one day they will be. And you are correct about one thing, a lot less mechanical parts to break, but most things that go out on car engines these days are sensors which are electrical and not mechanical. lol
In California we have water shortage and power shortage problems. If more people drive electric cars, the power shortage problem is going to get worst.
Predictably worse. Hence they push them.
and yet commiefornians voter frauded gangsters Garrceti and Newsom back in office to help further degredate commifornia
did you know there are solar cells invented and wind generators and electric cars with his own solar roof ?
@@niko-laus I think I have seen a picture of the electric car that you mentioned. I thought the car was an experimental. How practical are the electric cars you mention for daily commute? What is its continuous driving range?
@@tyronekim3506 we talking about the future this car has easy interchangeable batteries and change the batteries after whatever range is necessary my grandfather was driving such an electric truck in 1902 in berlin
Your bidet analogy is spot on
Andy makes it look as if this could work for anyone. I think electric vehicles may have their place. If you have the finances to buy one, live in an area with a good climate for one and don't drive a lot of miles per day. However I think they would not work for the majority of people living in rural areas and most definitely not in the northern states. Would probably be difficult for most people living paycheck to paycheck also.
Stop living paycheck to paycheck
Your totally right. But lets just be honest about how he lives close to work too so he can drive all day and not need any extra charge.... Also there is the question of how much power it needs to do snow, ice, and very bad weather....
I'm getting ready to buy a Model 3 single motor. I have a 100 mile a day commute and will primarily be charging this car at home.
Charging costs are going to go up dramatically in the coming years. The electric utilities will have to build additional infrastructure to handle the load, perhaps as much as 30% more. That also means electric costs will go up for everybody including people who don't use EVs.
The one thing that he didn't mention was the "other" electricity charges. I can use $25 in electricity, and owe $65-70 to the electric company. The more electric I use, the higher the "transmission, distribution, cost recovery, and bypassable generation charges. Without adding in those factors, dude is pushing "fake news" based on faulty math...imho 🙂✌🏽
As road fund license and petrol tax income reduces so the government will have to tax BEVs to make up the difference. An of course there are nowhere near enough power stations to charge hundreds of millions of batteries!
Its not the fuiture.
Found the polluting industry employees
@@ericechols5806 Right. Let us not forget that electric power is provided by 'regulated monopolies.' They set rates based on a rate of return on invested capital, that is, their infrastructure. The thing is, they are monopolies. The rate is the rate they will charge the charging stations. You can't go to Shell, Circle K, Exxon, or some other place to do better. The rates won't ever go down either like gasoline does. They will just keep climbing over time.
@@fivish California has 15 million cars registered. They already have brownouts. Now add 15 million energy thirsty cars every day. No air conditioning. No hot water. No charging mobile phones. No lights. No security system. Just people running all over looting stores. Chaos.
Living in an apartment, having to drive long distances, make electric cars undoable. I drove from Murrieta, Ca to Kansas City, MO, which was about 1,650 miles, in 22 hours. No way, no how could any electric car accomplish this in even a wet dream. People who are easily satisfied always seem to think they have easy answers to the issues they don't have to meet because they're very practiced in ignoring how different the lives, conditions, and needs of many people are from their own.
Many ppl? I wonder how many ppl want to drive a car for 22 hours straight. It takes a person driving at 75 miles an hour to travel 1650 miles in 22 hours. If you had multiple pit stop and rest stops along the way then you were absolutely speeding and going way past 75 mph. If you slept at all during those 22 hours then this entire post is one large lie.
right... you cant drive anywhere. 12 hrs to charge- WTF is he talkin' about? You won't be able to go anywhere at the spur of the moment or any kind of distance, and this all sounds way more expensive than gas, anyway. And who the fk only drives 2000 mi a year?
These people are called liberals! They love black people , vote Joe biden and are coming to your comment section to tell you how wrong you are , with out any refutation of your story.
@@hzzn Dan the liberal man! I also have driven 22 hrs non stop. And there are millions of us who do not want to stop at every Starbucks along the way! While I am sure your math is a lie, 75 mph is a perfectly reasonable speed.
Distance 1,640.0 miles
Driving Time 25:56
Charging Time 5:19
Total Trip Time 31:16
Total Energy Used 395.0 kWh 1,317 RM
Average Efficiency 241 Wh/mile
Net Elevation Change -203 feet
Driving time is 26 hours not 22. BTW, my road trips are absolutely free. I can drive non-stop coast to coast and back and it wouldn't cost me a dime. You're paying $100 for every fill-up which gets you maybe 400 miles. Your 1600 mile trip just cost you $400 and $800 round trip. Have a nice day.
The amount the vehicles cost has to be factored in too.
If a firm were able to build a vehicle that ran on fresh air which meant zero gas, oil or electricity costs but decided to price it at 150,000 dollars - would it really be more economical than a run of the mill petrol engined car over a period of ten years or 120,000 miles ?
You can buy a Chevy Bolt EV for $27K - just as cheap as gas cars. And, you can get a $7K tax credit on many of them.
No reason why EVs need to be more expensive.
EV maintenance is also less.
@@garyreysa4729 Except it's a Chevy Bolt. You couldn't give that car to me for free. Driving is an experience not just something akin to taking the bus.
@@garyreysa4729 you can not buy a running ev for $400 period dot
Don’t forget, this fool will eventually need to replace the lithium battery. How much does that cost? $10K? $15K?
My Model 3 costs $40k - 7.5k federal tax credit - 2.5k state tax rebate- 7k state grant - 2k ICE vehicle junked grant. I paid $21k for the vehicle. Less than a comparable Honda Civic. My charger was $475 + $700 installation - $475 county rebate for charger - county state rebate for installation. $0 net. My gas cost were $500/mo. Now I pay $50/mo because my office, supermarket, doctor’s office provides free charging. The $50 is the cost I pay for 1000 miles of dc charging equivalent to $450 or 3 tanks of gas on my trucks. So instead of calling other fools, and ideas terrible, please look into the numbers and see if it works for you. You are entitled to your opinion but not your ignorance.
how many hours on the road are you waiting to charge.? what do you do with the time listen to the radio??
A real cost comparison would not include free charging due to credits for being a youtube personality.
Plus it cost more CO2 to make one Tesla now X that by numbers of productions.
And the Bible says that in the end of days, the tax gods will upgrade the financial system and will never need to tax solar panel people to generate revenue to keep the satellites in space that keeps the freeloading tax dodgers online using CZcams and watching advance movies at home made by new technologies that requires satellites.
Nothing is free. You pay for electricity up front or in taxes. Also, who pays for putting
up these charging units that you consider free?
@@ThomasClark123 exactly, we pay from all ends and how much is this electric vehicle going to save Earth? I feel like there's a catch in this. Should I or not get an electric car?
@@tsminnal Nobody is talking about the cost of producing these batteries and how much pollution
is involved with manufacturing them. Also, how long doe these batteries last and what do you do
with them when there are dead...
All very well for those that live in properties that have off road parking. Millions here in the UK live in terraced and apartment properties (with no guarantee of even being able to park outside your own house) will be forced to use public charging stations where the cost to recharge is not much cheaper than petrol or diesel. Add to that having to wait a considerable amount of time to replenish the battery and the high premium of an EV over an equivalent ICE vehicle doesn't make for cheap motoring. I'm pretty sure this will be replicated the world over.
The only way I'd consider buying an EV is if the range was a guaranteed real world 500 miles in order to only have to visit a public charge point as few times as possible.
Electric vehicles are not green and not the answer. Especially considering the greenies are anti-nuclear energy. Dumb.
The other issue we have in the UK is the lack of capacity to generate electrical power and the lack of infrastructure to deliver that power for home charging (that's if you are lucky enough to have parking space or a drive way..
@@daveblack5109 and another thing, lol: here we are already a quarter of the way through 2022 and I don't see much evidence of a rush to get the infrastructure in place.
@@mattofafnir5654 They use more petroleum products to make than a gasoline car does and has a much higher carbon foot print that people like to complain about. Not to mention, what is generating the electricity that is charging that car? Natural gas? Coal? Nuclear? Hydroelectric?
Yep, while I have a dedicated parking spot, I don't think they would allow me to put in a charging station. That means I would have to park my car two miles away to charge it.
Andy Slye I found your video very interesting. I was trying to figure out if you dipped into researching electrical information or if you are in a related field for your video. When you came to the part where you explained the 94% efficiency I had a thought.
Have you ever ever heard of a VAR manager sometimes called a KVAR manager? Disclaimer: I don't sell VAR managers, I don't know anyone that sells VAR managers and I'm not selling anything else. They are a multiple step capacitor system designed to maintain the best power factor. I'm curious if a VAR manager installed on the power distribution to the Charging Station would clean up the power factor to bring that efficiency up to 100%.
I had a VAR manager on a 480v 500A Motor Control Panel that fed power throughout a 250,000sq ft retail building, there was a 2nd unit on a 200A MCC. Our energy bill from Burbank W&P averaged $90,000 to $120,000 per month. They would pay us for our VAR managers, cleaning up the power factor saved us money and it earned us money, typically that was around $10,000-$13,000 per month.
Their technology is based on "discrete time signal processing". I have no idea how small the smallest is or how big the biggest is or their corresponding price tag. It just struck me that efficiency should be higher for integrated circuits.
Funny. Live in Las Vegas now but was in fort Mitchell ky. Great video!!
I just sold my 2016 Hyundai Veloster after owning it for a bit over 4 years. I put just a shade under 75,000 miles on it and kept track of every tank on my mileage keeper app. According to the app I averaged 31.5 mpg over that time and spent $5,201.33 on regular unleaded gas. I also had the oil changed every 7500 miles so roughly 9 times at around $40 a pop. I bought it new and had no additional problems or repairs required on my little turbo econo-box and it was kind of fun to drive but still cost significantly more than electric (tho much less then the Beemer). But, and this is a big but, it only cost me around $23,000 off the lot w taxes and tag, etc. in 2017 while the average price for a new electric in 2021 according to Kelley Blue Book is running over $51,000. It would take me 10 years in your Tesla to break even. I get the environmental side and I’m ready to try one but…. Great video tho and thanks for the info!
Tesla model 3 off the lot for around 35000
@@Dherpy model 3 RWD right now is priced at $44900 without taxes and fees.
@@Dherpy And a four wheel drive model is... unobtanium.
Environmental? Did you ever watch videos on how cobalt is mined? They are making an environmental nightmare. Then where do we dispose of the dead batteries when we are done? Hopefully they can get it right in the near future
good video, but your cost is not accurate to the average person. The Average person would not have that many supercharge points given to them. i wish you did your calculations bason on all your charging costs as if you had to pay for all of them. So every time you had to use supercharging there was a cost you did not factor in because you have free super charging basically. which the average person wont.
Can't wait to sit in line at a charging station behind 5 cars that need an hour to charge
My neighbor now has solar panels which works great in charging his car. I think tesla charging stations charges in about 30 minutes now. I have to admit even charging off the grid while I'm sleeping beats the hell out of going to a gas station.
I’ve driven electric since 2013. I use my home charger mostly, and charge at a station once or twice a year.
@@lancecarona2554 lol k
@@stephentaylor8622 You must drive maybe 10 miles a day. Nice.
Why don't you do some research huh. You can go from 0-80% at a superchargwr in like 30 min and the new ones 15 min
I have a question for science people about carbon vs. lithium.
To my knowledge carbon monoxide from our cars turns into carbon dioxide when it mixes with O2. CO2 is recycled by trees, hence O2. Lithium is not recyclable. It's dumped possible underground. shouldn't technology be more on helping the process of changing CO2 to O2 and keep levels in the air even?
Tesla already recycles their batteries.
So many other costs to concider. My gas bike is 22 years old. I replaced the battery once at a cost of $69. What are battery replacements and what is the enviromental impact?
Assumptions lose me every time. Also
this guy has an agenda. He's a running
commercial for Tesla
Buy a bidet. You’ll be glad you did! 🚽🧼✨
@@goingelectric7826 Although I know what a "bidet"is, I thought, maybe, you might be referring to an electric vehicle I wasn't aware of. I damn near spit my coffee out, when an ad came across a y.t. video for a bidet you can install yourself.. The way it was presented, you'd think it was satire or a skit from SNL, but it was legit. It was funny, well done and you won't see the add on t.v. anytime soon. lol lol
@@vinyltapelover 😂 🚽
@@goingelectric7826 🤣🤣👍. Shoot howdy! Thanks for pulling me out of the doldrums and making me laugh. You and yours have a great and happy turkey day.
He getting free charging miles!
"Off-peak" will eventually become "peak" with everyone charging at night. In cities that have rolling brownouts to keep electricity flowing during summer peak usage, I can foresee serious issues trying to charge during these periods.
CA...
In almost all grid systems, adding more units further spreads out the usage distribution, so don't think it would ever invert the peak vs. off peak to a further extreme than it already is. I would imagine that the distinction of prices between peak/off peak would diminish, though. And having a more stable power generation profile makes the whole system more efficient. Chargers could also moderate times for optimum distribution as well; if you park for 12 hours but you could feasibly charge in 4, then it could draw at a low rate like 1/3 of maximum capacity, or only at the full power during the optimal time range (like 2-6 AM).
they've already done something similar in CA and AZ. it used to be cheaper after 5:00 in the evening but now they've changed it to 4-9 is "peak" (most expensive) time for energy use. they package it like it's some kind of new better system but in reality they realize the most households are 2 income meaning no one is home during the day but come home in the evening and cook, clean, watch tv, etc. so they screw us over while telling us it is some kind of good/green thing.
U R full of shite, PEAK hours are due to air conditioning in summer, used by commercial companies; and people are mostly not home then and encouraged not to use electricity to cool or heat during those times.
@@surfyogi Pretty hostile. BTW, my utility company breaks down my bill into "peak" and "off-peak" hours and currently, "off-peak" is after work hours (as you mention), when most people-once they return home-will turn on their lights, air conditioners, utilities and eventually plug in their EV's. My point was that if EV's become the norm, will "off-peak" remain off-peak, or will the increased load, along the other uses described, create an enhanced demand that will recategorize off-peak? Why don't you weigh in and let us know if you think this is possible?
Gas cars are cheaper in cost and will last you 200k to 300k over the course of 10 to 15 years. In my case a lot less mileage and long term of owner ship. Also I own both my cars outright. I'd like to see the state of the Tesla's and EV's after 200k to 300k mileage. Also short distances seem to be okay but long distances are a challenge.
The data says otherwise. Through 200k miles fuel and maintenence costs on EVs are half that of IC cars. There are plenty of videos reviewing Teslas after 100k and 200k miles. And cross-country trips in a Tesla are no more difficult than in an IC car.
@@SpottedSharks all that cost for the lower maintenance of the EV is in the price of the car. I pay cash for my cars and live in a rural area. It makes no since for me to get an EV. I'm not against EV's, it's just not a one size fits all type of car.
Apparently Tesla loves Andy. Great sales pitch! Nice that he chose to do that with lots of help from my tax dollars. If it’s so wonderful, why does the government need to subsidize it? A bit of slight of hand here I’d say! Figures don’t lie but liars figure!
Mostly I hate that the government pushes and demands. What ever happened to freedom of choice for gas preference people?
I work for a custom builder, and we’ve put in charging stations many times. Even when the electrician is already there for new construction, he charges more than $100 to install a charging station. I think it’s $350. No electrician is going to make a special trip out and put in a charging station for $100.
And how long do the batteries last and what is the cost of replacement. This isn't a $5000 hybrid battery. Factor new batteries in for a 12 year ownership cycle and then tell us the savings.
@@timothyjones3410 Long term, you make a good point. Right now, if you look up USED, junkyard battery packs for a Nissan Leaf or a Tesla Model S, they cost roughly half of what a running, driving car of the same year costs. AND, I'll BET most of the junkyards DO NOT load test these packs OR give any range warranty. Also, if that salvage yard pack sits, not temperature controlled or regularly charged, it will get permanently damaged. So, if it sits for a while, $15,000+ is a lot of money to pay for no guarantee that it will perform as expected.
New battery packs will cost more, of course. And who will sell them to you and at what price and warranty? I'm all for EVs, but the long term cost and practicality could be iffy.
Snowrocket yes, disposal issues are not being factored in, plus pollution issues that come from a huge manufacting uptick in battery production. Lead and nasty chemicals are being brought into our environment for this technology.. Elements of our society want to centralize automotive use. Do those cars have electronic identifiers so that, if they chose to do so, they could prevent electricity from fueling those cars? I don't think that's science fiction.
Batteries have improved over the years but they still require more energy with time to recharge. They have to be charged more frequently and for longer periods. Eventually, there won't be enough charge for a trip around the block and they have to be replaced. I don't know what Tesla claims for battery life but no one can accurately predict the availability and cost of materials to replace them 5 or 10 years from now as the demand for EVs increases.
@@thomaswoosley4821 Lithium ion batteries have been used in cars for over a decade now so they is pretty good data on longevity. They actually hold up better than expected. I forget the numbers so you'd have to look it up but the drop in range over time is not a lot.
I would like to see performance results on a 520 mile (one way) trip across the Midwest in late January during a blizzard that started as freezing rain and in the first three hours became 10 inches of snow and 30mph winds. Followed by the sun setting and air temperatures dropping into the negative 20's.
YES
Disaster
Except for the negative 20 conditions....why would you jeopardize yourself or a gas powered car in the other conditions anyway?
Because life
@@williamsimmons152 some people have to work in order to eat. In the midwestern states, a blizzard does not necessarily mean a day off of work. you can drive into work at 10am in a cold rain, and walk out to your car at 7pm with 6 inches of snow on it. Electric vehicles are not the one fit answer for transportation in the United States.
Thank you for the insight and you're making out ok. I only get 16 mpg in my cars, but I like long distance traveling. All I want is $2/gallon gas.
Plus I can drive from LA to Denver in 22 hrs. Each fill up takes 5 minutes. How long would it take in an IV? Three days?
17 hours in a Tesla Model 3, including charging time according to ABRP.
Wait until all the subsidies come to an end then you see the true cost of electric vehicles go through the roof
tesla gets zero. their credits ran out a couple years ago. true cost of owning my model Y? bout 1/3 the cost of owning a gas burner. especially in CA.
@@jaybee3165 depends a lot on how many miles a car is used over a set period of time plus the price of electric and gas. a 10,000 dollar "gas tank" does not make sense if you only drive 2,000 miles a year unless gas is 13 bucks a gallon. i do see a huge savings when some big trucks go electric. lots of trucks out there driven between 100-200 miles a day. makes way more sense than cars on average.
How much did your home electric bill go up? In the end it still takes fossil fueled generating plant to charge you electric car at home. Can you make a 1200 mile trip and find charging station? How long does it take for a recharge at a road station?
@@jaybee3165 Tesla credits will restart under Biden's plan.
@@darylfoster7944 good.
that will place the model 3 within reach of the majority of consumers.... a base model 3 for $28,500.00 for CA residents? why buy a toyota camry? gas prices on the rise, $75.00 for an oil change, heavy handed smog requirements by the CA dmv... theft of catalytic converters here is very common... EV's make way more sense.
In the future if there's more e-cars being charged during off peak hours, off peak hours will disappear, and you will be charged for peak hours.
Still would be cheaper than gas.
@@vindaro1119 that to might change
You are so smart!!!
@@toddaulner5393 well I been around awhile I know how people will try to make as much money as they can. Tell me when gas tax revenue starts dwindling away they aren't going to look for ways to recoup that? Your kidding yourself. Sure you may not pay as much but over time they'll increase.
The writing is all over my walls, and it's true !!! im going to start driving my Steam driven Car all ya Need is a Garden Hose and Filler up !!!!
Thank you for letting me know about the tax credit. My install will be the same situation as yours
The cost can be reduced to almost nothing with 100% solar panel system. I did both and rarely ever use a super charger. This doesn’t even begin to tell you how much you save from buying from your local power company!
Making the batteries for these cars is a nightmare, both ecologically and humanely. Does anyone care?
What also gets blown off: when I buy a new battery, I spend anywhere between $99 and $189 depending on brand name, etc. A new battery for these EVs cost thousands, same for hybrids. Fuck that.
Ummm. Need the crude and refined oil to make the EV... so now what Turntimetable?
No, they like to drive around so everyone sees them saving the world. Lol
@turntimetable EV batteries are STILL far far worse. they also cant be recycled worth a crap, and wont be any time soon. my Mustang GT is better for the environment than an EV and the first thing i do is rip all the emissions crap off it the day i got it. i average 32 mpg with a 510 rear wheel HP 5.0 V8 engine...
@@mastmec
Yeah, I've seen some of the YT channels where Tesla owners get together and stroke each other. They think VERY highly of themselves.
My biggest problem isn't charging - it's getting the car to the 26th floor where I live.
It doesn't even fit in the elevator.
then move to a 1st floor apartment
Get a helicopter
Up the stairs
What is the price difference between that and the gas car you compared it to?
What will it cost to depose of the battery when you replace it? What will anew battery cost?
Keep on mind that most of the power charging your car in Louisville is powered by coal, which is the absolute least clean source of power.
Right on
Plus us taxpayers and deficit inflation causing spending helps pay for it.
That is changing rapidly in many parts of the country. EVs are still a less polluting option regardless of the local power sources. If you have invested in roof top solar it’s a non-issue.
@@LowkeeLT fortunately it doesn’t matter since coal is going the way of the dodo.
@@LowkeeLT That link is from 2014. Both the grid and EVs have changed radically since then. Any data more than 2 years old is irrelevant to the situation in 2021.
Lived in Florida years ago. During hurricane season one year, we were without power for 18 days, then 20 days. Now in rural Ozarks. No charging stations, and long distance to town.
No power for gas stations either. Stuck either way.
@@gundamkei3756 Bullshit - a simple low power gas powered generator provides power to the pump for most stations.
@@brucefrykman8295 I guess none of the station around here new that :) or was it that cash registers, lights, locks, doors, alarms also didn't work when we loss electricity in most of northeast Texas during the freeze
@@gundamkei3756 If only gas stations had some sort of way to GENERATE electricity using some sort of fuel when there is no power.
@?????? You greenies don't really understand energy and work do you?
1f a 5 hp generator lifts 10,000 gallons of fuel per hour the six feet or so from an underground fuel storage
to a vehicle gas tank how many vehicles will it fill up in an hour?
How man Teslas can a 5 hp generator fuel in an hour?
I have a few Nissans an 150k Audi R8 and a Tesla model 3.....Honest to God the Tesla is by far my favorite. It goes far deeper than just saving money
How much if you factor in the upgrade to your home grid?
I think electric cars work well for city driving and stop and go traffic but I’m not a fan at all using them on long distance road trips. I’d rather go hybrid and have the benefits of both with higher mpg and not waiting hours at times to charge up a battery. Just my take on owning my 2013 Chevy volt which I traded in after 4 years bc it was just too much time waiting for it to charge.
A Chevy Volt? What a POS
The volt is a hybrid not total electric, hence the long charge time. My electric charges in 50 minutes or less, great time to eat or stretch your legs..
I agree with you. I think a lot of people are figuring out the limitations of electric vehicles and would say they're good as city commuters. I would buy a hybrid but not an EV.
Funny. I’d go ICE or EV. Never a Hybred.
I wish I could have bought that from ya. I have a 2102 and love it. Saved $21,500 in gas over my prior gas car.
Here in Mn our electric costs double about every 7-8 yrs. Currently the electric company is looking for a 20% increase ( isn’t green energy wonderful) so anyone thinking EV are great solutions must have deep pockets
your missing the worst part. electric cars will have to pay road tax at some time.
just a matter of having enough of them on the road
@@fritznien Very True! Governments lose a lot of road tax money.
Yes but that’s democratic communist Minnesota socialist Minnesota
Here's the hack ... "green" car dependent on dirty energy to charge it! Talk about brain dead! By the weigh, Tesla was extracting electricity from the atmosphere! What a crock of shi'ite!
@@xrpvegas5407 you don't understand "communism"
There's something you can never get with an electric car, and that's the sound of a finely tuned 8 cylinder. Call me old fashioned but I love that sound.
It's the sound of reliability.
It's unfortunately a sound that you can't get from a lot of V8s, either.
And there is something you can never get with an ICE car: that's the silence of operation and being an asshole from waking up everyone when driving.
So what's your point exactly?
Ooohh yeah!
you probably eat meat too you carnist
I live in an apartment. Where am I going to charge my car? There is no charging station in the apartment. You need to factor in the cost of battery replacement if you intend on keeping the car for ten years and the impact to the environment due to batteries.
thats what im saying, cuz when batteries die, they have small charges left, what if i want to drive 600miles in a day, its what poor white people do for vacations
Batteries last more than 10 years. And they’re recycled, not thrown away. Charging in an apartment is a challenge though.
@@juliahello6673 You are wrong. Look it up. It’s eight years life expectancy. They are limited on charge cycles like all batteries. Then replacement is necessary. As more cars are produced, more mining and environmental impact to make more batteries plus power transmission lines and coal consumption. Try to look at the whole picture not just what you want to see.
@@juliahello6673 I've already met someone who's batteries didn't last, he got them replaced and got rid of the EV.
@@gregoryeverson741 Don't worry. If you one of those poor people, you can't afford to buy a Tesla.
Hey Andy! Now that you’ve gone 75,000 Miller lites, you should do another video about your battery degradation. I’m interested to see those results.
Million mile battery, buddy.
Million mile battery.
@@victorjones1783 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
When?
My understanding is the the batteries degrade 2% per year.
@@jodyyestrau8459 they degrade ~10% the first year or two. maybe 1-2% each year after that.
So where's the closest charging station outside of your HOME? I can charge my phone at any 120 plug AWAY from home. So what's your range? And btw, if I'm driving around town/commuting. I don't have refuel ith gas every day either.
HOW MUCH DO THE BATTERIES COST TO REPLACE? and labor cost associated with the installation?
Tesla warranties the battery for 8 years/120k miles. Out of warranty replacement costs around $15k but it is rare.
You are correct that location has a lot to do with overall cost and efficiency. I'm not sure how you found an electrician to complete you charging station install so cheaply but good for you. A good friend of mine bought a new Tesla last year and built a new house shortly after. The additional cost for the builder to install a 240V charging port in his new construction house was nearly $5k. Climate also has a great deal to do with battery discharge and efficiency. The availability of charging stations is also a factor when you travel. If everyone drove an electric car, the strain on the nation's electrical grid would be unstainable without significant upgrades. Places like California can barely provide power for basic electrical needs much less 10 million cars hooked to the grid every day to recharge. There is also the environmental cost of producing the batteries and mining the materials necessary to make them. Add to that the disposal of toxic batteries...every ten years or so and it's a scenario much worse than gas powered cars. The cost of electric cars also puts them out of the grasp of most people. I when I bought my last new car in 2021, I looked for a hybrid version of the same model. They were unavailable within 100 miles of where I live and also cost @$15k more to buy. Electric vehicles may be the future of transportation, but infrastructure, durability, manufacturing and disposal are all issues that need significant development to make that a viable reality. The "let them eat cake" attitude of elites who demand everyone simply convert is irritating and fully exposes their mindset as completely disconnected from the everyday reality of the vast majority of Americans.
Thanks for pointing out the reality of electric cars. Also if you have an electric roof that electricity feeds back into the grid and it may offset some of the charging costs I highly doubt it would be free to charge your car.
Also, don't forget that all U.S. taxpayers are subsidizing these corksoakers with tax cuts.
C'mon now....Logic is not spoken out loud these days...Another thing nobody is talking about.... Most road building and repair budgets are based upon income from gas taxes....Whose pocket do you think they are going to pick once there is no gas to tax?
@@emmitmeyer1368 That's a good point. The tax will fall to your utilities I suppose.
Yeah, commiefornia can't currently keep their lights on, but they want everyone to drive electric vehicles. Absolute idiocy!
Not everyone is going to get all that free stuff. I would like to see a total cost if you were not getting all the free stuff.
is your calculator broken?
I can answer that question: model Y owner with tesla solar & power wall. going from grid power with gas cars to solar with a tesla EV... saves about $260 a month- INCLUDING car payment and solar system payment. KACHING.
@@jaybee3165 Totally uniformed!!!
@@jaybee3165 ... Without any numbers I don't believe ev and solar is cheaper than gas car n grid.. . . Maybe when the numbers fall more in a decade, otherwise we wouldn't need laws to force the change.... It is amazing how little we spend on gasoline n natural gas n power, like $3k a year, going solar and ev is huge $50k cost most Americans can't afford without crippling debt, oh well eff the poor.
@@jaybee3165 once enough people are in ev cars the government will start to charge tax on ev by the mile, wait for it because it's coming!
Did you divide the cost of your EC over that 75k miles?
when you travel 1000 of miles and you out of power. how much it cost to use the gastation out let? and you have to wait for hours to charge full. and one full charge how far can you go?
Okay, who learned WAY more about Andy's hygiene habit than they ever wanted to know?
At least he did not supply pictures...
using only toilet paper seems so dirty D: i dont have a beday but i use water everytime to clean and i never ever have skid mark's think about doing the same.
@@zackofpersia5086 T.M.I. !!!
@@herrunsinn774 alot of people just used toilet papr, feel like they really need to go back to school and know how to properly clean ourselves. water is really needed downthere.
You learned he's clean and most americans walk around with skidmarks in their cracks. LOL
It's simple to charge your car at the moment due to the small amount of EVs around. If everyone moves to EVs now you'll get a huge problem especially if you wanna use your car for long trips.
If the count of EVs raises the charging problem will become bigger and bigger. For instance - to fill up your car with gasoline or diesel you need just about 2-3 minutes but sometimes we have to stay in a queue at a gas station. For charging your EV you need at least 1.5 hours (using fast chargers) and about 10-12 hours (if a fast charger isn't available). I think you got the problem. We need to upgrade our grid and install a charger for EVERYONE who whats to buy an EV before moving to fully electric or you have to fight for a charging cable with your neighbors... At the moment I'd better stay with my not-environment-friendly gasoline car.
And one more problem - due to the small amount of EVs charging costs aren't huge now, especially for you. But if we all move to EVs I predict that electricity companies will raise prices dramatically...
holey sht is it actually 1.5 hours with fast :0.... can you imagine the queues if they dont increase the station number. and the enviromental cost of manufactoring cost of the extra charging stations? what will that be
Part of that success has been the dedicated Tesla Supercharger network, which can provide a full charge to its latest models in around 40 minutes. Most of Tesla’s superchargers in the UK are rated at 150kW, but it is currently working on rolling out one megawatt cabinets in the future, so expect things to get even faster.....
so it seems to be 40 minutes atm for teslas. still doesnt change the fact as you said as numbers grow.... charging stations will become crowded and even full.... increasing queues.... surely?
300 miles and pull over spend $125 on hotel. Should only take me 5 hotel stays and 5 meals out with my family to reach Fla. from St louis LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL so an added cost your not talking about plus the fee to charge
Some people I know have GAS generators in their EV car's trunks....in case there IS NO charging station...
@@miltonturner2977 😂😂😮😢😅
Thank you so much for sharing this, I been thinking very hard about buying a Tesla
how long does the battery last? how much to replace it?
Tesla warranties the batt for 8 years/120k miles.
Charge with electricity produced 99% by the fossil fuels, also I wonder when those lithium battries are dead, where do you dump them?
Agreed. They can be 90+% recycled, but there's no where near the scale or economic incentive to do so. Most will end up in landfills
I use to own a hybrid honda civic until my lithium battery took a sh..
The cost to replace it with a DIY install was 1600 at lowest cost and as high as 2000.
The vehicle only had 85000 miles.
According to research I've done, it takes 13k BTU to refine a gallon of gas. It takes 10k BTU to generate a kwh of electricity. There are 33.7 kwh energy equivalent in a gallon of gas. So if it takes 337k BTU to generate a gallon equivalent of electricity, that's 26x as many BTU as gasoline. Even if a Tesla gets five times the mileage of the average ICE car, that's still 5x the BTU required. So I'm having trouble seeing the advantage of an EV if those extra BTUs are coming from fossil fuels. Does anyone know if my numbers are correct?
The Tesla battery for the S series is $7,500 without installation. That is from a customer receipt where the battyery was damaged and not covered by warranty.
@@chesterpophamproductions2879 Yes, the hidden cost no one wants to talk about.
Bingo! With the current *greenflation* and the push for "sustainable" electricity, we will soon see insane electricity prices like in Denmark or Germany! My 10yo Volvo V50 with the 1.6L engine makes 45mpg (on highways, with winter tyres). No Tesla will ever beat that - especially not when you factor in the cost of the electric vehicle, the wear of the battery, higher insurance bill, higher repair bills and the need for a reliable "winter car" in colder climates...
We should do what France did and devote far more resources to Nuclear. People like to talk about the coal plant a day that China is building but they ignore the 228 nuclear reactors they are developing.
@@theman4884 Totally agree. There is no question that our long-term energy future WILL be nuclear ...with a tiny bit of renewables sprinkled on top to make the Greentards happy. However, "my" country, Germany, has decided to ditch nuclear power altogether and "go for renewables instead"... there is simply no better way to illustrate the green hypocrisy and good ol' stupidity when you consider that the production of ONE SINGLE wind turbine is resulting in the production of 3.000.000 to 9.000.000 kilograms of radioactive waste being dumped in open bogs in Northern China, causing lung cancer and leukemia in the population...
Volvos are amazing cars ...
Higher repair bills? For what? The oil? The injector? The pistons? The gearbox? The reduced use of break pads?
If electricity prices increases 10 times I assure you are going to make your voice heard, aren't you using electricity to power the same device you are using to watch this video?
Don't you have any lights or electric appliances in your home?
And check how much your Volvo consumes when not on the highway, especially when it's stopped at a red light.
@@IIARROWS My Jetta uses zero gas when at a stop light.
So after warranty expires I have to force to get battery warranty?
Well, today 6/25/2022 price of electricity in southern California is about $ 0.30 a W, and regular gas hit $ 6.29 / gl (cash price at discount stations.) That change the equation. Also you almost do not drive long distance.
Free charging is great now. BUT when everyone has an electric vehicle, those things will go away and you will be paying as much to charge your car as you will for gas. LOL Just wait.
Thank you! So true! They tax us & use the revenue to provide free charging for those electric cars so everyone's already paying for the "free charging" right now regardless if they own an electric vehicle or not so at this point those who do own one are literally being funded by their peers unknowingly & just like you say.... they're sure to stick the knife in & twist it on us once we're dependant on them..
You won't be funding Saudi billionaires no matter what it costs
You'll be paying MORE, the price of electricity will most likely triple.
I charge with electricity from solar panels and net metering, TOU rates. SCal Edison pays me, nice if your electric company has such deals. Sure made sense for me. Btw, as more people switch to EV less gas will be consumed and gas prices will rise. More renewables will be the norm, esp. utility scale battery storage that Tesla is going into in a very big way, get informed. With all this info and much more about Tesla I bought TSLA early, nothing like a rocket ride of a stock you hold, trust me.
Thanks DEMONdncCOMMIES
That is a most informative video, however I wish you would have mentioned how long your batteries are supposed to last before replacement and factored that into you fuel cost.
That sir is the 64 thousand dollar question...At the moment the batteries dont have a very long life when in use by petrol standards....I have a 2006 Hyundai when I bought it new it could take me 560 kilometers on a full tank of gas 15 years later it can take me 560 kilometers on a full tank of gas... its going to be interesting to find out the answer to that one.
Also not everyone can charge at home.
Majority of older model s and x batteries have 90 percent capacity after 200k miles. It's not this simple though as there are outliers. Also, battery chemistries change all the time. The new 4680's claim insignificant degradation after 3.5 million km but we'll see. The new LFP's claim a longer life than the old 18650's but again time will tell.
I bet those batteries are not cheap! The ones are in hybrids are quite expressive. I would imagine fully electric vehicle batteries are even more.
YES!!!!! You are quite right!!!!!!!!!!!
Is it not REMARKABLE how studiously electric toy car supporters avoid that issue of battery life and range!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I've a question, in that 10 years how much was maintenance and how do the batteries and electrical system look compared to a combustion driven auto?
I've heard the maintenance costs for ICE's are about 3x higher than EV's. ICE's have much more moving parts and fluids requiring maintenance. EV tires wear out faster due to the added weight.
That Tesla actually runs mostly on coal And nuclear
Depends on your location. KY & WV, you're right. Idaho, Alaska, Norway is mostly/entirely hydroelectric. And if you've got a solar array like me, no fossil fuels at all.
@@SpottedSharks sure why the sun is shining and the wind is blowing..... when are those Elite people flying around in private jets going to start taking bicycles or public transit instead.... one private jet flight releases more carbon than a family of four releases in a year
Charge at home? Great if you have a driveway or garage. Many don't, which was the third issue raised in the survey.
YEP AND WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU LIVE IN A HIGH RISE.
Everybody lives in apartments. Can you imagine that ?
so.... get a job... and a new apartment- or grow a brain & get a mortgage. or use a supercharger- still way cheaper than gas.
what's next excuse? banana peels on the interstate?
the charger thing will change rapidly. even gas stations are installing them in CA. on www.abetterrouteplanner.com, they show destination chargers... you can shop for condos & apartments based on their data. developers are catching on too. remember when not all apartments came with internet or cable? now, you'd be an idiot to put up an apartment building without it- and that's what's happening with ev chargers. eventually, municipalities will require a certain percentage of parking be charger spaces.. just like mandatory handicap spots.
so do you know what a destination charger needs? a 60 amp breaker from HD- $100. one #4 copper 2 conductor with #10 ground, about $4 a foot. 240v nema 14 receptacle. $500 to a good electrician... on the pricier side... THAT'S IT. and most municipalities don't even require a permit for it.
do you know what a gas station needs? YEARS of site planning, epa permits. county permits. county inspection. municipal inspection. epa inspection. specialized tanks. specialized soil liners. soil sample testing. more permits. special pump systems. specialized petroleum piping. more inspections. 100'S OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS before the first pump.. runs the FIRST gallon of gas. and your dumb a55 can't figure out an electrical outlet? SAD.
Yea but many do.
@@COSolar6419 a friend of mine who works on a grounds crew has an apartment in the bay area. the apartment doesn't have charging by the parking spaces, either. but it does have nema 14-50 outlets inside. with my help, we made him a 100' extension cord with #4 welding cable- it works perfectly, amperage draw is well within spec for the cable (40 amps) and he charges his chevy bolt with it. we have it shrouded in flexible pvc conduit for extra safety. there's ALWAYS a way. 240v power is the most commonly available energy source on the planet- unless you live in the Likouala swamp in africa. or on top of the andes mountains. it's just a lazy cop-out that "i can't charge" for people who like their ice vehicles... hey- nothing wrong with ice as far as I can see. there are people who still use horses for their primary transportation... nothing wrong with that either. but they should just ADMIT it. they drive ice because they WANT to... not because they don't have a choice.
Started out great, but when you skipped the cost of the free stuff you lost credibility. Kinda like me saying my F350 gas is free cause my company pays for it when I travel. Thus my fuel price for the year is less than yours.
My exact thoughts, also.
Andy, I would like to know how much road use tax you paid on your car to use the highways.
what is the price of the replacement batteries you will be FORCED to buy?
My friend just had his charger installed at his house including a separate sub-panel for the charger and it cost $2500 with permits here in California. We will need nuclear power plants back online to sustain the electrical demand here, especially in 10 years when new gas cars will not be allowed to be sold here. The energy demand will surely be greater than any wind or solar option can provide.
That's $2500 added to the cost of the EV car. Then in 5-10 years you drop another 5-10(?) grand replacing battery packs. How many people can afford these high added expenses?
And then there's the other unanswered question, what happens to the replaced battery packs? Present car batteries are already causing problems, which was reported on several years ago. Are we trading one so called problem with another problem? Seems before we jump into EV cars with both feet, answers need to be provided on replaced battery packs and more electricity demand.
@@jamiepatterson1214 In China and Germany they already have systems in place where you don't have to charge your car, you drive into battery centers (where charging points would be) and you can swap your entire battery for a new charged one in 10min.
@@spicydragon3881 Would the US be talking about that type system. Instead, the US is talking charging stations. Or terminals at the house.
Still, once the batteries wear out, what happens to them?
@@jamiepatterson1214 They are testing these systems now for efficacy and reliability, as well as battery rental programs which (the plan is) would cost no more than equivalent gas prices (not that, thats so great) and you pay by the mile or month. I have no personal investment in any of these companies or systems, but we need to try to stay open minded to new technology.
@@spicydragon3881 Open minded true, as long as what eventually is used doesn't introduce another problem, or contribute to an already problem.
So have you considered the substantial environmental damage done by mining lithium for the batteries?
Not to mention the disposal when the batteries crashed out.
Tesla ownership is not about environment, it is about flexing.
...and the million of gals of water that becomes contaminated to process the lithium
Nope. Not really.
@@joemathis5038 think maybe you ought to?
Andy , i beleive what also needs to be factored in is the cost of the battery replacement. When my antique ICE pickup get 20-30 yrs old it does not need the fuel tank replaced but the battery car does. Also adding solar panels to you roof does not provide "free" energy for all time, they too have a limited life
Your truck won't need a fuel tank but it might need a new engine or transmission. Cha-ching either way.
Your old pickup spews toxic air pollution whereever it goes harming human health.
I wish you had shown the cost assuming no referrals (not all of us have YT channels), 15,000 miles per year, and with the range of KWh costs in the USA - Con Edison for example in NYC.
At 7 cents/kwh it would cost about $310 to get 15,000 miles.
when majority of vehicles (or even half of them) are on the roads, those cheap charging times will become the most expensive. i'm interested to see how this pans out in the future.
Won't it also overwhelm the power grid and stop all together?
Where will the maintenance money come from to fix our roads? How will companies cope if they ban fossil fuel, it's all suicide Evan this fuel crisis is all part of a plan to crash the economy. Digital I'd digital money
I installed a good solar system on my house. I charge my Tesla at home except when I travel out of state of course.
This year I put 7650 miles on my Tesla. I also have a RAM 1500
I have not spent a dime on electricity. Of course it costs me about $14 per month "line charge" from the electric company
@Jeff Bachmann curious how much the solar system costs you. Cause I can probably buy a lot of fuel for that price. Then add the $30-50k for an ev. And that's even more fuel. Then when the battery dies and it costs $10k to fix. I can buy a brand new motor and trans for that price then get another 300k miles out of it!
Not everyone wants a brand new vehicle. I actually like my 84 f150 straight 6 over my 01 7.3 diesel. But it gets like 8 mpg when towing my landscape trailer!
@@greensolemowing 1) Compare apples to apples.
I'm not telling anyone to go out and but a Tesla if they don;t need a new car because it will save them money. That's down right ridiculous. The video creator didn't even say that did he? he said He didn;t want to pay for gas ever again. That's not the same as saying he bought a Tesla to save money.
2) My solar provides ALL my electricity. Not just the car. I didn't have an EV when I installed it. So for me , the solar for the car was basically free because I used to sell the excess back to the electric company for pennies on the dollar compared to what they charge.
3) You guys that hate EVS are fixated on the cost of battery replacement. You are the first one to consider engine, transmission ( you forgot rear end though) replacement in an ICE vehicle. Hats off to you for that. You also have to consider all maintenance . brakes, rotors ( Tesla has regen braking) oil changes, belts, tranny etc.
The battery has twice the warranty that most ICE cars have. 120,000 miles or 8 years
The Tesla batteries last 500,000 miles.
BTW, what kind of car are you comparing the Tesla to where you can buy a new engine and tranny and have it installed for $10k?
Apples to apples. The tesla is a luxury vehicle. Compare it to a BMW, Audi Lexus Caddy .....
4) Unlike many people on both sides I don't give a schiff if people buy an EV or not. The people that think they are saving the planet because they drive an EV are delusional. The people that think EVs are glorified golf cars and useless are ridiculous.
I also don't think they are for everyone or the best for every need. I am extremely pleased with my Tesla. Awesome car. For me.
And what happens to your $25,000 savings when you need to replace your batteries? I hear that a new battery pack is about $25,000. So in reality it is a wash! ALSO consider that if your home power is provided by burning coal or natural gas, which provides much of the US electric energy, then the environment impact is a wash. Where does the depleted battery pack go?
@@iannealcole your house is solar but someone had to pay for the material and installation of the solar. If you bought a new home with solar then you can rest assured the cost was incorporated into the purchase price of the house. Also if you get rid of the vehicle that soon then someone eventually has to pay for a new battery or the vehicle gets junked or used for parts. all the plastic used In that vehicle has to come from fossil fuel. It may be efficient for you but the fossil fuels used to build and operate the vehicle and dispose of it is not considered. When it is all said and done that vehicle is just as bad for the planet as any other…..I have a cyber truck on order!
natural gas is super clean ....don't be a hater.
@@iannealcole admitting you are a democrat during this current disaster is pretty brave, but also stupid
@@iannealcole if enough people go solar, they will put a meter on it and start charging people a tax because of loss revenue
@@iannealcole must have a HUGE amount of solar panels, plus a battery too? Is that cheap?
Thanks. I would tweak some of the costs you referenced, but I "liked" you video. $3.50/gal for premium fuel at the time of this video caught my attention. And, so did the bidet reference. Did you have to take use there? 😄😦 BTW, that bidet reference is a whole separate conversation. I am not convinced that you don't use toilet paper when you have a bidet. Some say that's the case, but no way are you pulling up you under garments onto your wet bottom. What do you use to dry off? Nice, disposable toilet paper? 😉
And a quick gas stop and go another 400 miles or an 8 hour charge if you can find a station and another 300 miles .