From Full To Absolute Dead! Ford F-150 Lightning 70-MPH Highway Range Test (Extended Range Platinum)
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- Kyle is in Northern Colorado with the Ford F-150 Lightning! In this video he takes it out for our usual loop-style 70-mph highway range test from full charge until it dies... and it literally dies at the end! Proper range testing here. Watch to see how far it goes on one charge...
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i rented a tesla model 3 twin motor for a 3 day weekend and had massive range anxiety. but i drove around all weekend and still had plenty of juice left. it made me realize.... i don't really go anywhere cause my life is boring!
Mine is too
Marketing slogan potential?
Yeah most people don’t need as much range as they think they do lol
Your life ain't boring till you become a trucker. All work and sleep. And very little sleep at that
lol
I can't remember a time I ever stayed at a gas station 2 hours even when changing a tire or rewelding a hitch. They better start making those places nicer.
Tweakers are so comfortable they move in the gas station
you shouldn't run the battery that low anyway - take a break at about 200 miles, charge to 80% (that's where EV's charge the fastest) and you'll be off after your pitstop - the rare time you travel more than 200 miles in a day
Gonna need more Bucky’s
Recommended use is to live between 80 and 20%. Start your trip at 100%, get no lower than 10%, recharge to 80%, continue. 20-80% is like 15-20 mins.
Driving starts at 15:02
Real MVP
Good man!!!
Results at 36:19
Truck dies 34:15
@@thisisntsergio1352 lmao, the car didn't even manage to drive for 20 minutes. 🤣😂. Yeah bro, EVs are the future 😂😂🤣
Seems to me you were going under the speed limit and under 70. My 2018 2.7L 4x4 can go 665 miles per tank, at well over the speed limit.
I’ve got a headache. I don’t think he took his a.d.d meds this morning 🤦🏼
You admit criminality? Do you pass in the slow lane too?
I guess this is all right about you gasoline trucks…as long as you have the $$$$ (that will surely increase) to spend feeding that truck.
@@Geezerelli Yes, I will smoothly and slowly pass on the right if people are intentionally and illegally obstructing the left lane.
@@cujet but if the vehicle is going the speed limit how can they safely move over to the right lane if cars are flying by in the slow lane at 80?
Could you do a test with an RV. I am specifically interested to see if you could do pass through charging at an RV Park.
My ideal situation is:
- Plugging the Lightning into the 50amp RV service poll
- Plugging the RV into the 30amp power supply in the bed of the lightning.
I'm curious to see if you can charge the Lightning's battery while sending the extra power to the RV for camping.
Please upvote if you would like to see this
Kyle can easily test this with his Revel
@@brandenflasch iob
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Can you flat tow the truck behind an rv?
@@chriskriaris4304 unlikely
I am curious how much weight it will pull for how far or long on 1 charge which manufacture is mum about
That whole live stream was such a journey…. Anthony was the MVP for sure
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Were you running the a/c ?
I could see driving this around town, no problem. I can't see spending 80K on a truck.
yea this is where hybrid would be ideal for me. im not willing to let that backup go just yet.
What is the package you are trying to get to get $80k? The F-150 can get as low as $43k with a tow package before incentives (-7500 federal) and tax. That is standard range battery.
@@ronaldking1054 very few dealerships are going to give you a vehicle even if ordered at MSRP. Have ya seen the markup on vehicles right now? Its a joke
@@NIVO1972 You just stated that a dealership is going to mark up a truck to twice its MSRP. Question is still valid.
@@ronaldking1054 OK final time. I never mentioned what package did I? Im not wrong that a certain trim level with extended battery starts at 77k. Whoever said anything about a base model? Thats point you tried to use, not me. Its not a buyers market right now and dealerships everywhere are tacking on 3-6k. ask around or go look for yourself. im not arguing any more about this damned ford. I simply dont care. But i was not wrong that its 80k. You assumed base model. No one said it.
Thanks so much for doing this!! I live in Saskatchewan, need a vehicle to drive just about the end of the range of this one, and then back. in cold weather this thing would be an absolute disaster in remote locations, with few charging opporunities. good to see what happens when the juice is gone.
Long haul for EVs will remain elusive for years, sadly. Hybrids becoming universal would have been the wiser investment for the industry, though EVs have a HUGE simplicity advantage compared to hybrids, hybrids can get away with simpler, under-powered, engines if designed well - such as the Chevy Volt's cheap 100HP gas engine, the two electric motors drive the car and provide plenty of power and 300lbft of torque... no transmission and an 18kWh battery pack... a shame GM didn't bring that forward to more vehicles, would have been a wise move for trucks and SUVs.
Stick with burning dinosaurs bro. For now.
@@looncraz umm, GM made hybrid half-ton trucks and SUVs back in 2009. Barely anyone bought them. Sorry but the market didn't accept that theory.
@@ashton9699 It takes time for people to come around to new tech, 2009 was eons ago... there's still a LOT of resistance to EVs.
We could give every vehicle a 20kWh battery pack, 40~60 miles of EV range, and a small gas engine as a range extended far faster than we could make every vehicle an EV.
@@looncraz yeah, driven like a gas truck, with lights on for safety, your looking at 200 miles of range, new. Hook up a boat or RV, add passengers, and you may only go 120 miles...new. As the truck battery ages the renge will drop lower and lower anf lower.
A 5 ft bed with such a short range makes this truck worthless for anyone who attempts to use this truck to haul anything but air.
Ford lost over $3 Billion last year on it's EV program,. this 80K truck just doesn't do it's job.
How much does this cost? oh yeah, $30 for 50 kw, so the recharge will cost $80 to drive 250 miles. My F150 at 80 mpg avgs 360 milles using 17-18 gallons of reg gas. At $3.50 gallon thats about $65 to go 100 miles further. My truck is almost 20 years old with a Triton 5.4L engine, a modern 5.0 Cayote engine will get at least 5 mpg more.
That's all, I'm done, unless someone wants to sell me their 2 or 3 year old F-150 5.0 cheap.
This may be the quickest video turn around I've ever seen. Well done!
I wonder if anyone saw you pushing it into the charge bay and thought " oh look the battery ran out, yeah I'm not getting one of those EVs "
re: "I wonder if anyone saw you pushing it into the charge bay and thought " oh look the battery ran out, yeah I'm not getting one of those EVs". A: yes. unfortunately everyone in the vicinity of that intersection.
That, or they just saw it was a Ford and didn’t think twice about seeing someone pushing it
The misperception someone could get by seeing that actually scares me.
@@N7_Maric Or the misconception that these all electric vehicles are really better for the environment. Especially considering long term use. Personally I would be all on board for a plug in hybrid.
Agreed. Pushing an EV to a charger does Zero to help the EV movement.
Thanks for an outstanding video! Excellent attention to details. Bravo Anthony & family!
Unbelievable that your excited about 260 miles on a 2.25 hour battery charge time. If I’m going on a long trip, I don’t believe I could be elated sitting in a hot truck (summer) or freezing truck (winter) for 2+ hours waiting to charge batteries before continuing another 260 mile leg of a 1300 mile trip.
Got to do better!!
And you're not going to get that same range because are you really going to drive it until the battery dies? No. Plus he kept the speed at 70. That's the slow lane speed in some areas. Going up to 80 or 85 like we drive down South means you'll create much more drag and use up that battery even faster.
The technology is in its infancy and still needs improvement. I'd also like to see the batteries be built with other minerals that don't require us to strip mine the planet while creating even more carbon emissions just to build the car.
As much as I love all electric vehicles I will say for anyone who can only pick one car or is looking for the vehicle of the household for long trips, plug in hybrids are the far better choice, because while you are near the house, able to charge daily, you get ~25 miles per charge, but then when that runs out it becomes a high mpg hybrid, giving you the best of both worlds in a sense
And you pull into a charging station with 20 people in front of you!
@@carlosf.7158 ....in some states the speed limit is 80, so if you're traveling @70 you're going to be impeding traffic and possibly become a hazard.
@@carlosf.7158 you do realize electric cars have been around since the 1800 same with batteries. I don’t believe it’s going to improve like they want. I don’t understand why they don’t go with hydrogen. Engines in old cars can be fitted, new cars have amazing range. The big thing is China doesn’t get rich selling batteries. Make no mistake this isn’t about technology it’s about control.
Wow you got this out FAST. Watched the end of the livestream and figured I’d have to wait until next season to see how the cliffhanger ends! 😂
Alternative title: "excessive hazard light power usage leaves truck on the road"
What was the cost to recharge and how long did it take?
After a 5 minute fill up, a gas F150 is good to go another 300 miles.
How far down the road will it be before this one is full again?
Probably the fastest turn from end of range test to video uploaded in OoS history
I want to see F150 Lightning and R1T go head to head on a 100% to 0% test at same time. That way we can see them compared in the same conditions.
And maybe bring a ProPower hybrid to rescue them when they die 😅
I'll put about 1,200 miles on my '19 Plat EcoBoost in the next three days and about 700 tomorrow alone.
Nope, not ready for an EV yet.
Realistically itll only prob add 30 mins to ya route if you used an ev n charged it to 80%
N save hundreds of dollars with the time lost
Electricty is not clean as it seems.The grid is not ready for alot of ev's
@@sticks0012 it's not perfect but in most of the country it's cleaner than gas. You'd have to be deep in coal country to get the dirtiest electricity.
I think your math is off a little bit, charge stations aren’t usually just off the highways and charge time is way slower.
Completely drained pulling into a
Kum and Go station. Impressive test and real life demonstration. I think range anxiety would be key when towing or in the mountain.
Just an overrated piece of junk
not helping sell the truck as older guys around me all ready picture having to push it in to the fill station all the time ( bad range anxiety and or don't trust BEV's but i wouldn't mind trying one to own/drive long term ) like he did in the video even known that was dumb stuff that got the truck stuck on the side of the road just like doing that to a diesel F250 would = the same
hell my dad use to run out of gas a lot as a kid in a K1500 80's so i know the feeling 🤠 and mom was made about him doing it lol 😂
Real life demonstration?! Yeah, I'd like to see him towing something, see how far it will get.
Towing would cut the range to half
@@DontBowToEvil um the 2 different trucks my dad had rarely ever towed with and the f150 king 2014 was 3-time's the rest of the time was purty much a luxury barge aka empty/show truck with just him same for the jeep in the family hell so far iv done more towing but the k1500's bed got way more use from him vs me but he was a contractor before i got it
so somewhat realistic but yes towing numbers would be nice to know more so RV's/car-haulers as my family at this point is considering towing a rental one for a road trip ect.
Excellent! Thank-you. 🙂👍 You did about 5 miles more than my 50kWh small car can do at around 50° to 60°F (10° to 16°C). We'll probably never see the F-150 Lightning in Britain (even fossil 150's are rare imports here), but it will still be interesting to follow this series.
Lots of EV full size range rovers incoming in a two years. People will be buying luxury EVs with biggest batteries and the battery prices will be rising and cars below 60k euro will have long wait times and because there won’t be batteries for cheaper cars
Yes but we with our 50kw/h bevs will be able to stop off at a high power ccs charger for 20mins and be off again. Ultimately going further quicker than the Lightning as its so slow to recharge a mammoth battery.
I want to see a video of it on a 9 percent grade pulling a 8,000lb camper🤣 can we estimate about 40 miles ?
TFL did a test with a 8600 lb trailer on the Ike, 50 mile range.
I don't even think they need to be towing something. I want to see it in four wheel low traveling over a steep very rough road in winter. I can't even imagine trying to chain this ev up on all four and getting into a pasture covered with two feet of snow to feed the cattle. If all you do is drive 70 miles an hour on the highway you don't need a truck.
This isn't for the extreme towers. It's for the MILLIONS of Americans who have a light travel trailer or fishing boat, said less than 5klbs, who tow to a local camping/fishing site within 4 hours travel, and spend most of the time hauling air in the bed. Millions of people. If we can't get them into more reasonable vehicles, then I'm fine with this truck, which will greatly reduce CO2 emissions, pollution, and noise over a gas F150
Do this at -10 degree winter time.. see the range at full towing capacity 🤣
Or the hot summer when you have to run the AC
I was thinking more like -25, and I don't even care if it's with towing capacity. I just want to know if it's even viable! But then I suspect that many of us live in areas where the charging capacity does not even exist.
@@rba5567 this was done on a 100 degree day. Don't comment if you don't even know what's going on please.
@@yvonnewensloff6983 I'm becoming a semi-expert on EVs since my son's fiance just bought herself one. The infrastructure isn't there to go state to state and your battery capacity is severely limited in cold weather. Turn on the heat draws more current, now that its summer same applies for ac. A $50,000 vehicle that you can't run the heater, can't run the air conditioner and can't travel state to state is not worth it in my opinion. If you're going to limit it to just in City driving it's great and the pickup and torque is incredible and you can run the AC or heater but it really drains the battery. Surprisingly eVs have a lead acid battery in them. Was wondering why until someone pointed out that most electronics need that 12 volt system and so it's separate from the lithium ion batteries that make up the majority of the car. Just telling you what was told to me by an actual owner. I also was able to drive and be a passenger in it as well.
He’s right. Batteries really don’t do well in cold weather. Try minus 30 and you’ll see the results. I live off grid and batteries perform very poorly in the cold and use far more energy than running AC in a hot climate. Cold is the enemy of batteries, solar and wind because there’s usually no wind at minus 30.
I can't believe you were at a charging station for that long. Working class has places to be!
I think EVs are intended for people with Garages/Driveways who charge at home every night. My wife is planning to get an EV next and I'll keep my hybrid for the road trips!
EVs the good ones with high range are not affordable for the regular people, the idea of spending 30 minutes or longer at a charging station is ridiculous to me.
Again,people with means will charge at home with their exoress chargers,the other people will have to charge overnight
@@aboutface102 You don't have to charge every night though
I think if you fast charge from 10% to 90% it takes a lot less time?
@@bradkark Surely it does. Nobody can realistically sit around for that long.
It’s always interesting to hear the bottom basic work truck trim is the way to go. This is something I understood more when I found out with previous year models that as you add luxuries to the truck, the work truck ability decreases. For example the bed weight capacity is higher on the XLT models compared to the Lariat/Platinum.
honestly considering the range hit for towing, i see no reason to spend the massive premium for the extended range model. For now I would only get the EV truck if I just wanted a truck vs a car for interior space and to put something into the bed occasionally. Otherwise id stick to ICE if towing at all.
@@I_Love_Quokkas This Platinum did 4 hours at 70mph in 100 degree weather. Going slower, taking the XLT model or not running AC would extend that range. Towing is supposed to half that distance, so I could see towing a boat or small trailer as not being a big deal if you're not going less than 2 hours away. We've started talking about selling our ICE van and getting an EV, and this is one of the options I'm pitching. The issue I have is that all the EVs are in such demand right now and so many new models, that used EVs aren't coming down in value, they aren't a ton of used on the market, and new ones are hard to get ahold and often quite a bit above MSRP.
Lets be real. There is only one practical EV on the market and it is a sedan, the Lucid Air. 520 range and fast charging. That should be the benchmark. Sometimes I have to hotshot stuff. Can you imagine going from Atlanta to Houston in an EV?!? Days! I can send an F350 with a couple of guys and have it the next day.
Baloney E..V.s arent selling well
There are a ton of F150 Lightning videos out there but I was really interested in this one. Thanks for creating this video.
how much did it cost to fully recharge and how long did it take?
Wow Awesome video can't wait for the standard battery test!
Anthonys are all over it.
Kyle-
Are you planning on putting up a leaderboard like Top Gear used to - with a summary of the vehicle tested (model and options), the weather conditions (temp and wind) and total range travled. It would be interesting to see where the turnaround point was (by highway exit number) since all of the drives ended essentially at the same point (except this one which died feet away from the finish line).
Perhaps do a year end summary episode - highlights and the leaderboard.
Still a couple of years away from an EV here - finances are not there, but I enjoy learning from your reviews.
How much did it cost to recharge after the test?
I feel like I've just driven cross country. I think you're stamina is amazing because you never ever run out of anything to say and it's the most boring thing I've seen maybe in my life. Geek speak
Thanks, for a great and informative video.
What was the Estimate recharge time and cost?
Exactly.....
I don’t know who is crazier you or your father when I comes to pushing the limit
Great test thanks
Nice. Enjoyed the video. Thanks for sharing
I would like to see a winter range test in 7 months, just to see the other side. What were the temperatures during the Rivian test? 100 degrees is not optimal.
I really want to see a winter range test while towing. I hope anyone that bought this as a work truck understands this limitation.
@@lanceareadbhar they are toys for dweebs- spend your money on a gas or diesel truck
@@bikeman1x11 I would rather buy a hybrid than another gas truck.
screw being "optimal" this is real life where your little EV's tend to suck
@William Arrington uh
Glad I still have my 1984 Thunderbird with just over 10,000 miles on it and a full tank of gas
The gas might be worth more than the car.
Beautiful car
Thanks for the test!
VERY VERY useful video. So awesome. Thank you so much.
This what you call a range test. Subscribed!
cannot wait to wait. so funny to see vehicles at the gas pumps pull up and leave while he waits for his truck to charge. nice to see they have to use the wind to help them as well. too funny
Great video. Just seeing the process was very cool. .
Kyle - “I know I’m just rambling on…”. Ramble is your middle name. It’s a skill.
What am I missing here. The advertised range is 300 and you got 260 by running it bone dry in the most unrealistic perfect conditions imaginable? So that means with a standard range battery I can expect 198 miles if there's zero traffic and I run it beyond 0%?
Perfect highway conditions for an EV is at 60mph and around 70 deg f. Probably losing around 10-15% because of the hot weather and real highway speed
In a couple few years it will be half of that
The highway EPA rating is 267 miles for the platinum large battery. For the standard battery pack the EPA highway rating is 201 miles so I'm thinking the real max range should be around 195 miles.
Thanks for asking that. I was equally unimpressed and confused
@@bfields1448 it will be about 5-10% of degradation after 2 years and maybe another 5% after 5-10 years. These don't have the same trash battery architecture of the Nissan Leafs
Need a Vespa to get around in doing useful errands while your electric truck is charging.
The paint is amazing 👏
Would a camper shell improve range Or just be a weight penalty?
I believe (not 100% sure) the "Charge Power Limit" is the regeneration charging limit. So it's the max charging speed you can get while regen-ing with a combo of the motor and breaks.
Definitely an awesome test for the Ford F-150 Lightning! 😎🍷🛻
Especially with 100 degree weather, when the Rivian test was done around 60 degrees requiring lots less power for climate control. Technically 72 is optimal, with most Ev's driving 15% further on average than EPA ratings, according to what I could find.
Awesome test, this was shameful for ford. 250 Miles. That's 20 miles extra for 20 thousand. So your paying a grand each for the extra 20 miles on that extended range battery. What a bust
@@jeffreyheinzelman3133 I think you totally missed something. Like Facts.
Wonder how Arizona temps would effect the batteries, summer time temps of constant 100 F. plus.
And what will five or so years deduct from the range?
@@lummoxx8586 More than you know. Heat absolutely kills batteries (as does cold).......
Cold doesn't really hurt batteries. When you start driving the battery warms and the missing range "reappears"
We shall soon see. I remember 100F on a trip, it cost me about 2mpg on my gas car. 25 instead of 27. Probably hits harder in comparison
@@wolfkin73 cold is not what’s reducing the range. It’s the use of seat and cabin heat that’s sucking the range out of the battery. AC does it in the summer.
Hi, I‘d like to know if this F-150 lighting has the energy recovery system?
And could this system be comletely shut down so when u release the accelerator, u won't feel any braking?
These videos are awesome!
Good video. May be I missed it but how long did the truck take to fully recharge after your rang test?
It takes 42 minutes to get to 80%. You could charge it overnight to get 100%
@@Dularr Not on that 50kw charger he was at. He's there for a while.
@@Dularr Thats not what he asked.
$30 to charge to full? How much to charge it at the house?
@@iabsoriw433 Costs me approx $15 for 1,000 miles charging at home.
Remember power is linear, drag is squared. 20% extra speed may need 50% extra power
Good point!
Don't come on here with actual facts. :)
44% extra power...if you drive the same length of time. However, you are going to go 20% further in the same time, so by distance (which is normally what we care about, unlike a pilot trying to build hours) you would use 20% more power to go the same distance.
Twice the speed requires eight times the power so 20% more speed requires over 70% more power.
@@lfsracer79 yes of course (I usually work with drag force rather than power eq's my apologies) . 44% is the increase in drag, but power is by the cube (72.8% more power) .. Again, since you are going 20% farther at the same time, the actual increase in energy to go the same distance is 44% as we don't really care about energy over time, but rather over distance.
Thank you Anthony! Nice video
Pretty nice range for the big bulky car. Thanks for the test.
Really good video and I appreciate all the details you provided!
Main question I have, why did the charger "charge" an additional $12.80 for a total of $30.50?
It said it was a 'parking' fee.... 🤔
@@jareddavis105 yeah I was seeing that but I'm trying to figure out if all other chargers do this or if it's just charging $$ for the extended length of time to charge to 100%?
@@trullmann I am wondering the same thing….it seems like if it is still charging then there shouldn’t be a parking fee. Now if it was done charging after a certain point I could see a parking fee
@@jareddavis105 my thoughts exactly, otherwise this adds a whole new operational expense to these that I've never heard of?
Don't worry, like cellphones, they can add a whole new slew of taxes and charges onto just the base electric charge.
Electric grid infrastructure charge, carbon tax for the fossil fuel emissions needed to generate the electricity, battery excise tax since the battery pack will needed to be recycled safely in the future, rare earth depletion tax since you used all those rare earths from Australia, environmental hazard tax for all those toxic tailings generated extracting lithium etc. etc.!!
How long did it take to charge and how much was it to recharge from empty?
He was at the station for over an hour and a half. That's crazy.
@@williamjohnston4039 it was at zero, but damn….
I think he said $30.50
@@williamjohnston4039 50kwh charger is slow. most tsla ones are 150 + even up to 250
@@joshgoodman6534 that's the problem. Tesla chargers are not located everywhere.
Great video as I am trying to determine if I can go electric in south Texas - its always 100 degrees F.
Do any view have an idea of what it might cost to install an 80amp charger at home (assuming my neighborhood can handle it)?
Looking forward to the base F150 Lightning range test Great informative video👍
My truck currently takes about 160 to fill up and I can go 520 miles at the same speed
160 what
I would love to see that test on a 3 year old EV.
Subtract 20% from that 260 miles Kyle got.
@@letsgobrandon5800 you won't see 20% degradation in 3 years. It has a 70% capacity warranty for 8 year / 100k miles like every other EV. Expect 1-2% loss every 12-15K miles per most Lion packs. @E Nyelator you won't see much difference at 3 years. 10 years though would make a difference.
@@jaoliver999 I've owned three of them (BEVs) . First year is the worst, 3-7% and then slower after that. It'll be in the teens after three years. Guaranteed. Also, its not so much mileage based as it is cycle based. Charge cycles, however that is defined, is the worst on any battery. Obviously the two are related as you cant put on miles without charging , but cycles is the thing to watch. DC fast charging is also tough on a battery. The heat alone is deleterious.
@@jaoliver999 wrong depends how you drive if you drive alot and hard battery will go down , it all depends on cycles its like our phones , 3 years it will degrade a bit from 100
Batteries suck. Thats all you gotta know
have you calculated the price per mile to drive this compared to a gas version that's similarly equipped? for people considering buying one, is the price jump to the electric powertrain justifiable?
I did a small calculation at home, just from this video and the information from it. You can do that too. Essentially, he used 125 kwh of energy, cost= 30.5 $ to fill up the car from a commercial charger. So, 30.5 $/ 125 kwh is about 0.244 $/kwh. Then, he also got the miles, about 260 miles in total, so, in highway, that would be 30.5 $/260 miles = 0.117 $/miles. Now, this rate changes a lot depending on where you charge. Where I live, peak rate during the day is 0.1465 $/kwh, and I guess night or off peak rate is 0.0927 $/kwh. So, charging at home can easily go half or a third of charging vs commercials. Then compared to gas vehicles, right now, writing average gas price in the US in google gives you about 5 $/gallon, and the economy on a f150 3.3-liter Ti-VCT V6 4x2: 20 city/24 highway MPG, so, 260 miles/24 MPG = 10.83 gallons, multiplied by 5 $/gallon = 54.16 $ or 54.16 $ / 260 miles = 0.21 $/miles on a F-150 gasoline car. So, comparing them all, that would be 0.21 $/miles gas F150 vs 0.117 $/miles commercially charged vs 0.07 $/miles charged at home during peak hours vs 0.044 $/miles charged at home during off peak hours. And of course, doing calculations is more complex if you do city, but, electric vehicles do even better in cities and gasoline cars do their worst in cities... so, still better for electric cars.
Excellent test.
Wait, this is an extended range truck and only got 250 miles? Ford says the extended range should go 320 miles, what am I missing?
We just purchased our first EV three weeks ago. We purchased a 2023 Toyota BZ4X Limited AWD. Fully charged and AC/Heater off, the car says it can go 300-miles. However, as soon as we turn on the AC the range drops from 300-miles to 220-miles. We live in the central valley of California, where it gets very hot. So we always have the AC on all the time. So the lesson here is, this is how all EV's are. The AC/heater eats lots of power.
We sold my wife 2021 Lexus 460 SUV with a V-8. That truck only got about 12mpg. We have already put 2,000 miles on the new car and have only payed $19.80 in charging fees, + what we have paid for home charging. This is because Toyota has given us one year of free charging with EV-Go.
We love the car. And it literally make me happy to drive it knowing that I'm only paying 10% of what we would be spending on that Lexus. I also have a 2018 F-150 Diesel. Before we prefered to make all of our trips in the F-150 vs. the Lexus. Now we both like to take the car because of the amazing cruise control/ self driving software in the car and paying so little for fuel.
Anyway, I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any more questions.
@@AirborneSapper82 Thank you for the reply, I actually grew up in the Central Valley of California, it gets very hot there. My plan is to get an EV pickup within the next 2-3 years. I’ll spend that time researching and finding the one that works for me, I’m really interested in the Ram that will be coming out eventually. I own a Ram eco diesel now, and love it.
Ford EPA rating is mixed used. You get less range on the highway, more range in the city due to a number of factors.
The particular model he is driving is actually only rated to only 302 miles (mixed use). The platinum version he is driving has the biggest tires at 22 inches. 20 inch tires on the Lariat and XLT and 18 inch tires on the Pro extended range get you the 320 miles. It was pretty much bang on to the EPA rating for highway for this model.
The range rating is likely during a typical use case which would include around town driving where EV's don't have to contend with so much drag.
Wow.. 30 minutes from 90 to 99.5.... Great test actually!
Outstanding, thx
awesome road test
Will you do a test running at what most people do on the highway of 75 to 77 mph?
The Colorado guys got 2 mi /kWhr at 75 mph.
I cannot wait to see the range of a tow in the snow.
Have a feeling those numbers will crash.
I’m in northern Illinois and I want to pull my 4 place snowmobile trailer to northern Wisconsin for some fun and it’s 5 degrees out and snowing, am I going to even make it to the Wisconsin border?
In EV's without a heatpump, you will typically lose 40% of your range in the winter. With a heatpump it may be closer to 20%. However ICE vehicles also lose 20-30% range in winter too.
@Kevin Smith ooookayyy.
Cold weather saps EV batteries.
The added weight of towing will sap an EV battery.
Combine those two factors and I cannot wait to see the range of towing in the snow.
Can your gray matter handle all of that?
That’s a great color! Awesome truck
Do they have a version with body covered with solar cells, to auto charge every time the vehicle is under sun? Or solar panel on the trunk cover?
My experience with the average lithium battery in radio-controlled devices for the past 15 years is this: New battery = full power for 15 minutes; After 25 recharges = 90% power for 13 minutes; After 50 recharges = 75% power for 10 minutes; After 75 recharges = 60% power for 8 minutes; After 100 recharges = 40% power for 6 minutes. After that, I discarded (recycled) them and bought new batteries. I have no reason to believe that lithium batteries in vehicles won't perform about the same.
I mean I would think the car batteries are better. They are newer chemistries and have optimized charging leaving a buffer at the top and low end.
So we are on the same page. You are comparing a RC car with lithium Battery with a $50K+ Truck that happens to use the same basic chemistry?
Does the RC have active cooling and heating of the battery cells? Does it have individual balancing per pack? Does it come with low and high voltage safety cut off?
It's not like they are a new invention... Even the worst EV battery (Nissan leaf) dosen't wear out that fast.
RC hobby batteries are designed to DUMP power as fast as possible as their main design trait. The chemistry in EV batteries is vastly different.
There's a community of salvaging EV batteries, and they wear very slowly. I'm fairly surprised by them. But the old Nissan leaf is the worst, 60% capacity degradation at 10y and 80k or more miles is pretty common.
@@timmythecat7478 You are incorrect, all Lithium batteries can be recycled. And broken down to reclaim 98% of their raw materials for re-use.
Just so happen that necessary infrastructure is not wide spread and available. And no one really cared about the 1M or so cell phones and laptop batteries being discarded.
That's change with the physical size and capacity of car batteries. The amounts to be recovered by a single vehicle are far greater. Thus its starting to make sense to invest and build multi million $ facilities to handle them.
@@fredpinczuk7352 I'm not so sure that the recycling of huge lithium car batteries is possible or practical. Thank you for your information. I will certainly do some research on the topic. I'm simply not sold on these EV's and their huge batteries being the panacea for getting rid of fossil fuel in the future, but I am interested to learn more........ Thx again.
Your review of an empty truck is absolutely valid, in case someone screams it's not valid because you're not using it as a truck (loaded bed or towing). WHY is it valid, you ask? Because, at least by my observation, 98% of all trucks are driven empty, one occupant, towing nothing.
Same in the UK, although pickup trucks are generally used by builders, they spend most of the day parked up at the work site. SUV's are used to take kids to school and ballet lessons.
So know one uses a truck as it's intended purpose ??? 😏
@@Sanctified_EDC_Gear my answer: no. There are pickups at every intersection where I live, every stretch of road, every parking lot. Few, if any, have more than one person in them or anything in the bed.
The vast majority of truck owners never haul anything, and buy the truck only for the macho "truck-like image. Then, when gas prices go up, and their 21 mpg truck costs some gargantuan amount to fill up, they blame the government. The problem is not the government, but the individual buying a vehicle that is far more expensive to purchase and operate than what they actually need.
(Yes, there do exist some truck owners that actually haul things for work and need to drive 300 miles towing a trailer, without stopping, to earn a living. But, there are far more truck owners that don't. The shear number of pickup trucks you need on the highway is proof enough of this).
No guts no glory! Legend
That’s just hilarious 😂 The hazard lights still work while they pushed !!😜
Emergency flashers, like all other accessories, work off a normal 12 volt battery under the hood.
What was the retail cost of the recharge on that day?
What I’m curious because a home charge here wouldn’t be cheap at over 200kwh so 4 fillups would be around $200 bucks here in Michigan for me gas would be cheaper if it’s 4 dollars a gallon or less
@@Floreypottery We have DTE in Michigan and with the EV program we get 11¢ per kWh off-peak (11p-9a). That's $22 for 200kWh. F-150 4x4 is rated at 22mpg. At 260mi of range, and current fuel prices of $5/gal that would be $60 in gasoline. So roughly 1/3 the cost. Over a 12,000 mile year that's a savings of $1700. If fuel prices come back to $3/gal it's about $600 in savings. If you charge at peak, cut it in half. If you drive city, EVs do better than ICE so savings will go up.
More than saving $, it's going to be about where you want your energy to come from. Unlike gasoline, we produce the electricity here in our country and would be 100% independent vs the gasoline we purchase from foreign countries.
Looks like Magna sponsored all the F-150 Lightning CZcams reviews.
magna makes a fun of components for ford like electric motors and battery housing etc
@@EdArmy yeah, I know.
Thought the same thing.
Awesome video
Well that was fun!
Way to go Anthony! 👏👍
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Imagine if a signal can be sent to completely incapacitate your vehicle. That’s what makes me nervous about totally electric. It opens up an entire world of possibilities. Late on a car payment, you can’t use your car. Government can enforce speed limits by force, And that’s just the beginning.
That's no different with a modern ICE vehicle, though. You can't run them without the computers.
Imagine buying a car and not going into debt for it. If that’s your worry then it’s your own fault for living outside your means
I was a tech......that technology started with OnStar. It's in every car off the line.
Imagine if people like you never invested in Apple, Amazon, IBM, etc. You "imaginers" are exhausting with your fantasy conspiracies. Go get the vaccine.
Pretty sure every vehicle is required by 2026 to have a remote kill capability... Thanks to the infrastructure bill signed by Brandon back in December.
That's an immersive livestream experience when your viewers can come out and help you push lol
Great video!! New subscriber 👍🏾
I sure wish you would have told us the cost to recharge from a totally depleted battery !
Does it matter? Idiot Biden is "transitioning" us to EVs by killing oil production. The Moron in Chief is also killing coal an nuclear electricity production so electricity will be three times higher by the time he dies in office or Trump wins in 2024.
The price for recharge is a secret..
It will vary. The fast chargers in my area, 150kw+, are around 48¢/kwh.
Damn, I was feeling that range anxiety am sitting here from my couch! Great video and just a quick question, how much was your price per kilowatt hour when you charged your pack?
12:05 - $0.35/kWh
@@TechnicalLee thank you!
what is the time line from 0 to 100 percent on the charge after draining it completely
Just a tip. If you are trying to let a vehicle go completely asleep and restart all the modules in a fresh boot you have to kill the hazards and open and close the driver door. Hazards on will keep the vehicle from going completely to sleep and you won't actually get a deep restart.
Soooooo about 100 mi range when towing?
TSL got about 75 miles keeping in mind you typically do not want to go below 20% charge
How long did it take to charge back to 100% after the test is the big question.
110 takes like 24 hours I've heard
In the beginning, he charged it for 2.5hrs at $30ish buutttt 2.5hrs of charging time???????
How long did it take for full charge from total no charge?
How did you get it out of Park to be able to push it ?????
This was a great video. It truly shows the range of an EV vs Gas. You now get to sit in your truck for at least an hour to charge while Gas trucks continue to drive down the road. After doing a road trip myself in a 13 year old truck with original equipment, I pulled 310 miles with 1/4 tank of fuel remaining. Thanks but no thanks EV, I will keep my gas vehicle any day :)
You now get to spend $100 while I spend $5
@@mrnoname7370 it's two different math equations.... to completely charge this truck from dead it would cost me at home 12.66 usd .... unfortunately it would take about 10 hours....I totally understand that nobody hauling long distances has 10 hours to wait for a charge and supercharging would certainly be much faster and also definitely more than 9 cents a kwh.... but honestly the battery chemistry is pretty much the final nail in the coffin for internal combustion engine.... hotels will likely start installing 220 lines pretty soon because most people will definitely have 10 hours to charge while they are sleeping....
@@mrnoname7370 yea but he isnt spending +$60k plus interest. we'll let you know when we spend +$60,000 in gas
@@ennrizo $60k plus price for an ICE that's bought right. and then all the gas and maintenance.
Range is def lower in an EV, with 260 miles vs 400 approx in a ICE truck. For tradesmen who just need to go around town, trips to the hardware store and dump it's fine. If you need to do long distances with hours on the highway regularly then obviously not.
260 miles (418kms) under pretty ideal conditions and no towing for a truck, that is NOT very impressive. That is fine for commuting and short trips. Extended trips with the family or work? Not a chance
Energy.gov statistics show that in 2017 95% of all vehicle trips were less than 30 miles. Ford's fleet stats say most vehicles travel around 75 miles a day. They aren't for everyone yet but they cover a great many drivers. Especially those who can charge at home.
Trucks are not aerodynamic, getting only about 2 miles per kw. Typically cars get 3, Mercedes has one in development that will get 6. So actually the range is impressive and useful for what people do 99% of the time. And you can always hit a fast charger and go farther.
You got balls for running it down past 0% without anyone there to help.
How much did you permanently harm the battery by running it “dry”?
So about 200-220 miles of safe range.... at interstate speeds. With and kind of box/vnose trailer that mileage is gonna be less than 100
Ya more like 75
Reading the comments: Although everyone’s situation is different, the idea is that you charge to whatever level you need on a daily basis and you just plug it in when you get home. Most of us don’t drive 270 miles per day. If you do, perhaps an electrical vehicle doesn’t suit your needs. But even if you tow, would you tow 135 miles on a daily basis? Of course you would for long trips though. But for most situations, it works.
Thanks for the awesome video (as always)! I can’t wait to get mine!
If you tow everyday for work, chances are you're driving more than 135 miles per day. Contractors, lawn crews, etc...
Daily use cases don't sell vehicles. Even if you only tow a 500 mile trip once a year, you need a truck capable of doing it...
I must have missed it . How long did it take to charge the F150 Lighting?
Whats the max tire pressure labled on the tires.. if ford recommended is 42psi?