Volvo Front Disc and Pad Replacement and Police Brake Upgrade (P2)
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This is the 316mm brake upgrade which was fitted to some Police Volvos in the early 2000s. The disc and calipers were also fitted to the XC90 so in comparison to my standard 286mm brakes, the difference will be very noticeable.
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It's better to suck out the brake fluid out of the master cylinder before bleeding the rest of the system; I learned that the hard way. There is frequently debris in the bottom. That debris can cause serious issues with the anti-lock brake system if it is flushed through the system. It's also a good idea to put some anti-seize grease on the little retaining screw to the rotor; you will be thankful that you did the next time you service the brakes. It also good to make sure that the brake bleeder is loose before mounting the caliper.
For anyone considering this upgrade, you can also go with 328mm rotors and 336mm rotors from the 2007-2014 Volvo XC90 and XC60. Just be sure if you go with the 336mm setup that the brackets (carriers) are numbered 742 and the calipers are indeed 336mm calipers. If you end up with 336mm carriers on 316mm calipers, there won't be enough clearance over the rotor as it seems the 336mm caliper is taller (brade pads are larger as well and will not fit the smaller calipers). I had a laundry list of problems with this. In fact, the better option is probably to go with the 328mm, dual-piston caliper setup. Not only is a completely different caliper design so not as to cause compatibility confusion that you could have between the 316 & 336 configurations, but the brake pad is much larger (I'd say 40% larger than even the 336mm pad). Having run both setups now, the 328mm two-piston seems to have slightly better stopping power with better pedal feel. I hope this doesnt come off as an advertisement, but since I removed my old 336mm setup, I have a set of steering stop limiters drilled out to 14mm, a pair of rebuilt 336mm calipers loaded with ceramic pads if anyone is interested.
Sophan Phin Interesting to know that you can use brake calibers from xc60. I checked from volvopartswebstore.com and it indeed says that same caliber can be used in xc90 (and then in s60 after modification). However the carrier is probably different in xc60 and xc90 if im not wrong. At least i couldn’t find any confirmation about that. So do you now if I buy xc60 caliber and bracket, will they fit? Another thing is that xc60 has different size wheel hub so brake rotors have to be from xc90 or you have to drill center hole larger.
Sophan Phin
Hi, is the process of fitting dual-piston caliper (328mm rotors) from the late xc90 on first gen. S60 same as the fitting of single piston caliper from the early’s Xc90 (336mm rotors)?
Best regards
Joseph
Very good information, do you happen to have any part numbers of the calipers that id need? I want to fit larger brakes to my 2006 V70 D5 (185bhp) which is on 17" wheels
One of the best videos I have ever seen, very professional with great detail, just brilliant , gives me great confidence to tackle this job myself !!
colinf1951 That's great to hear and thank you for taking the time to comment.
Nice video. The V8 XC90 uses the same calipers but its caliper brackets (carriers as Volvo likes to call them) are configured for 336mm rotors. I am planning to do the upgrade to 336mm soon, I had the steering stop limiters drilled out by a local machine shop yesterday.
Great video, yellow calipers looks amazing. Gonna do it on my v70
I have a 2004 ex police v70 with the same callipers , awesome stopping power from high speed , but had to fit Brembo discs , all others buckled ! , k24 turbo kkk very quick , but has cost a small fortune to keep running
I’d recommend an angle grinder with a twisted knot wire brush for cleaning up the hubs prior to fitting the new disks it’s very quick and effective! Great vids by the way
Overkill... something much milder, no need to upset the mating surface
Thanks for this. This was helpful as I didnt know if my v70d5 had the 286mm disc or 305mm. This vid helped me alot
Great stuff. Would love to get the kit.
Another top vid!! i think that is the brake size i have on my 2011 d5 v60 r design...good stopping power!!! i want to attempt am Auto gearbox fluid flush and change but have not found a vid to help to going to have to wing it 😅
Yes I think the disc size is the same but the caliper is different to your V60.
The early signs are good and I'm looking forward to them finally bedding in.
Good luck with the fluid change...... what's the worst that can happen?👍☺️
Hi, I’m changing the pads on my 2017 v40. The spring looks the same as the one on the upgrade you fitted, any tips for getting it off during the pad change please?
nice job mate!
So strange, i got 305mm stock v70 -01 2.4 turbo..... Why so many types of brake on the same type of car modell?
6:20 Glad to see you aren't using problematic copper grease...
If you know maybe 320mm disc put on for this calipers, because me too upgrade s60 d5 brakes from xc90 and i want to put 320 disc ?
Great videos as always .I learn so much from your videos.Thank You Sir. Please could you can tell me what is the weight difference in discs and calipers compare to old ones ? and if this extra un sprung weight can affect ride or steering or maybe shocks fail quicker. Thanks again
Ray Barboni from Miami No idea on precise weights but yes the upgraded caliper is noticeably heavier and it weighted up the steering slightly which I actually quite like.
The unsprung weight isn't an issue as this braking setup is fitted as standard to some models anyway so the associated components are already designed to cope.
Hi Si as you are the man to go too for all things Volvo V70 and more I wonder do you know if discs calipers etc on v70 D5 02 plate manual are the same ones for the 05 xc70 auto because I've a full set new stuff for my v70 and no use buying new ones for the xc70 if dont need them . Thanks in advance for any valuable knowledge you may have .
Did you buy this as a kit?
What hose do you need to run with this?
I am about to to this to my V70. Just wondering if the stock flex hoses will work with XC90 calipers or if I need XC90 hoses? Also are the larger 14 mm bolts available from Volvo or do you have to get them from a hardware store? The XC90 bolts that I got are shorter because XC90 doesn't have steering limiters.
crownvic ca Mine came with new XC90 flexible hoses so I don't know if originals would be suitable.
My guess is no.
The bolts are a genuine Volvo part fitted to police V70s so are available from dealers.
Can anyone clarify If a 17 inch Volvo wheel can go over an 2006 XC90 336mm upgrade. Cheers!
just changed my oil and filter (s60 d5 54 reg) and its started leaking oil from the rear crankshaft g/box side pretty bad !
heard other d5 owners having this problem after oil change. not sure if it would be easier removing engine/box out from the top rather than subframe removal ? any advice would be greatly appreciated
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Thanks again for this interesting video!
Hi, very interesting DIY. I have the same car and I want to make the same mods. Can you tell me please the S/N of the calipers & discs? Thanks
Thanks for the comment.
Numbers change over the years so just speak to a good parts supplier or breaker and they'll sort you out.👍
Hey, I really enjoy all of your videos about volvo p2, Great job!!! Question / suggestion
In the future could you put parts numbers in description below the video... Some parts numbers I figure out just by pausing video :D i know in some videos you show parts numbers but in some not...
Part numbers have strict model, model year and chassis number limitations so even if the parts fits in a similar way, there's no guarantee that the part I use will fit your car.
The videos are to show procedures which apply to hundreds if not thousands of cars so posting specific part numbers would create far more confusion than it solves.
If you have a Volvo, just get Vida and every part number for your specific car will be at your fingertips.
Hi friend. Nice job. Have you the reference number of the calipers ?
Hi Simon what's the correct technique for removing the upgraded spring clip. I levered it out but it didn't seem to come out but fluked it. I'm doing the passenger side tomorrow
It's been a while so I can't remember exactly.
I'm pretty certain that Vida shows it in the XC90 brake repair section.
Hi mate, i really love your vids, top stuff all of them. I have sourced a couple of T5 police callipers from facebook and am planning to fit them to my V70 D5 following your install instructions. I have one question. When drilling the hub from 12mm to 14mm does it leave enough material to support the heavier calliper and extra forces involved. Does the T5 have a larger hub to support the heaver brakes or is it exactly the same part drilled out larger in the factory? Can't find any info else where about it ? Just bit worried about that those drilled out holes might fracture over time? Cheers.
You're taking the hole 1mm closer to the edge which isn't a concern for me and 4 years later, everything is still good.
You must always make your own decision though.
I don't know if a T5 knuckle is a drilled out D5 one.
@@sirobb thanks mate, good to hear they are still going strong.
When you got the impulse deflection arms machine chopped, did you bother countersinking aswell or just drilled out to 14mm? cheers
I had arms which were already 14mm so used them without needing to drill my old ones.
If they need drilling out, no countersinking is required as all the mating surfaces including the bolt heads are flat.
So, I have an S60, V70 and XC70 and have upgraded to 328mm XC90 rotors/calipers to 336mm ones to S60R 4pot calipers. I just discovered a new setup that takes it to 345mm and still (barely clears) my 17" Volans.
Wow, I bet they look great.
Probably no room for balancing weights to be discretely placed inside the rim though.
@@sirobb Surprisingly, there's ample room for wheel weights, at least on the Volans. My earlier post minimized the mods I needed to make for the 345mm rotors to work but basically if you fit the XC90 336mm carriers to calipers from a 2004 Audi S4 and use 2008 Audi S5 345mm (drilling the top hat for the Volvo bolt pattern) it works. I also has to grind the carriers and cast shell of the caliper itself to accomodate the larger rotors. Pads are the XC90 336mm pads. Been running this setup for a year now and it works just as well as they S60R brembos while being significantly cheaper.
2:30 You could put a cloth to catch the brake fluid....
what do you do about the dust shields? the existing ones appear too small
If you mean the disc guards, they are fine and designed to accommodate up to 316mm discs.
If I went for the 336mm upgrade then yes, I would also need to change the disc guards.
What year XC90 should we be hunting for if we can't find a handy police spec V70?
Any of the early ones through to around 2008, maybe even later.
A good breaker or parts seller will advise.
possibly around '05 xc90 , though that year in the states has 3 variants to choose from.... Start with 12.44' / 316mm OD rotor. "disc"...
If I wish to do this to my v50 is it as simple? I've already gotten aftermarket alloys in 18 and the old brakes look pretty crap and small now, I could do the same thing using the xc90 brakes and discs ?
@oliovlov did that, its always the case of "why did you get these brakes" or half finished forms with no results
Yellow ????? Why
Can I also use the 336mm brake system on my Volvo S60?
OK, now I have read the comments. It schould work👍
Hi again,As far as you know this set up will fit under 16" wheels?
19greeneyes76 No it won't.
17" minimum.
I have on my volvo V50 D5 brake disc 320mm with 16'' wheels
Hi Rob, can post an update with affiliate links where to buy all the parts for this upgrade, please.
I don't get involved in parts numbers but a good parts supplier or Volvo breakers will confirm compatibility.
They will be the ones taking your money after all.
how come you didn't paint all the caliper. looks spot on in yellow
Barry Britcher The amount of extra paint and masking required to do the rest of the caliper doesn't justify the end result.
You can't see the inside of the caliper so for me, why bother?
Hello,
As far as I know, the C30 also uses 5x108. Would it be possible to mount this set or upgrade to 336mm?
Thanks!
macromaker There are more factors than that to consider so I would recommend that you ask on a specific C30 forum as to whether anyone has done it.
Feel free to update on here in case it helps others with a similar query.
Hello SiRobb, I've called the dealership and they said that it's not possible to make it "plug&play" as the "hub" is different (68mm on the XC90 and 63,5mm in the C30/S40/V50). I don't know if it's possible to make an adaptation, I'd love to. Have you noticed difference when using the 316mm brakes? Have you planned to upgrade to 336mm?
Dear SiRobb. Could you can tell me what is the weight difference between old and this new caliper ? its double or triple ? Is this caliper also for 336 discs or only 316 ? Where did you get ATE discs and pads in uk ? TIA
Hi, I don't know the weight difference but the larger calipers are noticeably heavy and you initially feel that through the steering but soon get used to it.
The same caliper takes the 336mm discs but you'd need a different caliper carrier to clear the disc.
It's a single piston floating caliper like the one I replaced.
I got my ATE discs and pads through a combination of autodoc.co.uk and eBay.
@@sirobb Thank You for your reply. I'm still on the fence if I should add any extra weight to suspension or not. Anyway I really like your videos and thank you for your time to make them to help others. . And finally we can see your face SiRobb :)
Does anyone know if S60 p2 brake lines are compatible with XC90 calipers? (336mm ect) Looking at doing the swap over soon. TIA
They will fit but they're unlikely to be long enough for full lock on 336mm discs.
Don't risk it. Fit XC90 brake hoses.
@@sirobb cheers Rob ill look into some stainless braided XC90 hoses!
do you know if the 2005 facelift s60 already has the 14mm holes or do they still need drilling out to fit the xc90 336mm (316 setup is standard 2005+)
I'm confused by your question.
316 setup is standard on what from 2005 on?
@@sirobb sorry. The T5 2005-2009 has 316mm but I'm buying the XC90 336mm so didn't know of it's already got 14mm holes
@@barrybritcher Barry Britcher The 336 and 316 setups use the same caliper but a different carrier to accommodate the different disc size so no drilling is required if you already have 316.
@@sirobb cheers mate. Volvo guru 👌
@@barrybritcher Not a guru. I just pick things up as I go along but thank you anyway. 😊
got myself some t5 callipers, but no brake lines...will my d5 ones fit?
Cameron Hendry They'll fit, it's more a question of whether they'll be long enough to not be under strain.
I chose not to find out and fitted the XC90 hoses.
I also felt that reusing old hoses on a brake upgrade kind of defeated the point of what I was wanting to achieve.
Replacing the old hoses on my 98 V90 improved the pedal feel and reduced any squealing. Hoses are cheap and it's a small price to pay for peace of mind and our safety. It's a good call. Thanks for making the effort to post the video, cheers.
Thanks 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Hi I’ve got all the bits together but I’m struggling to find the m14 bolts for the calipers where did you get yours from ?
Robert Spilsbury Mine came with everything from the previous owner.
A main dealer is your best bet.
They'll be expensive considering it's only 4 bolts but guaranteed correct.
SiRobb I ordered some xc90 bolts from the dealer but they are only 35mm long which is not long enough suppose I should try to look up some for an ex police v70 , thanks for your help
Robert Spilsbury Regardless of car model, the bolt would need to pass through the steering limiter, hub and caliper bracket so 35mm wouldn't work on an XC90 anyway. I suspect the dealer has made an error.
SiRobb hi thanks for your help, I have tried the dealer again they are being less than helpful, and won’t look for a part without a reg plate, but I think I have now found a part number for the bolt concerned so I’ll contact them again tuesday.
Robert Spilsbury I am not sure if you found the part number for the 14mm bolts. If you didn’t it: V00987434
good vid. but would of saved yourself alot of hassle having to turn the caliper to put the hose on if you left it attached. it's the reason the the other end turns.
Yes, I finally sussed that design feature.
The last brake hoses I needed to do were a long time ago and a different setup so you live and learn.
SiRobb, are the brake hoses from the V70 Police vehicle as well?
Hi Robb, this is a conversion that I.d like to do to my volvo s60, 2005, can you let me know what Volvo's I can get the calipers from and what years please,??. Many Thanks for the informative videos
You basically need to be looking at XC90 and P2 T5 models for the hardware.
@@sirobb Hi Robb, finally got some calipers, seller reckons they're off a v70 t5 2004?, so I'm thinking the 320mm discs?, need your help though on the caliper carrier bolts?, I know they're m14 bolts, and I think 55 -60 mm long, but do you know the pitch of the thread please?, or would you know where to get the bolts from?. Thanks
Any idea on length of bolt, and where to get it from please?
Volvo main dealer is your best bet or ask a genuine Volvo parts seller on eBay. There are lots of them.
Hi Volvo fans, I am considering doing a break upgrade on my 2002 Volvo V70, currently at 330K miles and still going strong. As a result of the brake upgrade, how the braking feels? In terms of braking power, pedal feel and stopping, do the new brakes feel a bit better or significantly better. Any comments or feedback on this would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
The 316mm brakes feel the same with normal driving and noticeably better under heavy breaking compared to my old 286mm.
Im very happy with them.
@@sirobb Thank you very much for your reply. I have sourced from eBay a whole set of front caliper holders and calipers from an XC90 and will be mounting this week a 336 mm disk and matching pads, ones that can still be fitted under 17 inch alloys. Calipers have been sandblasted and powder coated. New pistons and seals will be mounted so they should work fine. Thank you for the inspiration given through your channel, I have learned a lot during the past years.
One question: the wheel turn limiter will need to be changed during the upgrade or can the old ones stay? Many thanks, Val
In case someone is having this problem: my brakes during the past few weeks started feeling a little bit soft, despite of being aired and the fluid changed. The brake pedal was also hissing when pressed repeatedly and felt somewhat soft.
It turns out a rubber seal from the brake servo master cylinder was leaking due to aging and replacing that solved the problem.
Which cordless is that in 9:03?
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Can you use the V70 brake lines or do you have to use the XC90 brake lines?
Depends on which V70 brake lines you mean.
@@sirobb 2001 V70 2.3 T5
@@granada012000 if it already has calipers like the yellow ones in video, yes.
Shouldn't you use perforated discs with a kit like that?
They're vented discs.
They just don't have blingy holes and grooves. 👍
Discs with holes. If you get a couple of months out your pads you're doing well.
+Andrew Gallacher Exactly and that's probably why genuine Volvo Police discs don't have holes either.
Unless you're racing, have money to burn or wear a baseball cap the wrong way, the discs in this video are plenty good enough.
Hi does this upgrade work on p2 v70 ,
Robert Spilsbury Yes it does.
SiRobb thanks for your help :)
Very cool! I've been looking for this solution. Will this work on a 2005 S40 T5 with 300mm front brakes?
I don't know I'm afraid.
+Rhett H As per the title, it's a P2 platform Volvo which is S80 98-06, S60 00-09 and V70 99-07
Will this set up still fit under the standard 17" wheel's?
Yes. I have 17" Tethys wheels and there's loads of space.
In fact, looking at the clearance, I reckon I could have fitted the even bigger 336mm upgrade.
Thanks mate, great info.
+Scott Raven No problem.
If you go bigger, just bear in mind that the disc guard is really only good up to the 320mm option so a 336mm disc will overlap and probably need disc guards off an XC90.
Where's part one please
P2 means the model platform code not part number.
There is just one part to this video.
Hi bud. Wouldn't be able to spend a few minutes to write down the part numbers needed for this. I want to upgrade my brakes on my volvo I've just put 4 pots on my mk2 golf now I feel that the 280mm brakes in my v70 d5 are scary!!!
Sorry but there are too many variables and I'm not risking part numbers I supply not being compatible.
The parts supplier will be taking your money so you really need the fitment guarantees from them.
@@sirobb cheers I've actually sorted some calipers. Steering limiter arms and discs. Just need pads now. I managed to pause on your video and got part numbers 👌
Ok, well I hope they're the right ones for you too and that it all goes well.
@@sirobb will keep you posted. I've brought ones from a t6 xc90 or police spec ones. Bargain really but need a refurb
I've done the 316mm upgrade using V70 T5 calipers, carriers and pads.
All UK XC90 I've ever come across are 336mm discs.
Same caliper but the carriers are different to accommodate the larger discs and the pads are larger as per my XC90 service video so bear that in mind.
What's that drill thing you're using?
Gary Finnigan I use my Bosch drill on the hub and my Bosch impact wrenches on other stuff. The high torque wrench is used on the wheel and the smaller wrench to remove the caliper carriers.
What car are you doing this to?
A P2 Volvo as the title says.
@@sirobb OK but which model exactly? Thanks
@@sirobb Which model?
It could be a S60, V70, S80 or even XC90 P2.
The precise model is irrelevant.
Solid discs , not your bullsitt vented drilled crap , that’s why I went for brembo standard , pricey stuff , but when anchors are on they will out brake a standard golf GTI no probs at all and some fancy shit as well, 140 or even 110 mph , hard on the brakes will see the golfs and like squirm around on braking making the driver uneasy , nothing against golfs or wotever , I have had lots , they are one of my favourites cars , maybe that’s why I compare to
completely unneccesary (sp) , also fit the flexi pipe to the caliper before you connector to the solid pipe union , very amatuerish
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