Timothy Gordon | The Matt Fradd Show Ep. 11
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 6. 08. 2019
- I chat with Timothy Gordon about his reversion to the Catholic faith, his disdain for any shade of feminism, and the state of the Church.
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Dr. Taylor Marshall and Tim Gordon have made good cases on why Christians should be Catholic and convinced me as a non denominational Christian. I'm currently going through a quarter life crisis at the age of 26 and will finally convert to Catholicism. I'm going to join the military and I should be a Catholic within a year. I will get baptized. I messed up a lot in life and didn't have a father to look to for help. Everyday is a existential crisis for me. I recently quit porn and masterbation. I'm trying to get my life together in hopes to have a better relationship with God and a beautiful family. Millennial-ish guys like Tim Gordon are a inspiration to me. If I could ask anyone reading this for one thing I'd be for a prayer. Sometimes I feel my prayers aren't heard because I've been too sinful for too long. Thank you guys. God speed.
Welcome on your journey.
Welcome to the Church!!!
Wow James good on you! Iâm Catholic and trying to get into a state of grace rn!! Youâll learn more about that later. We are in a similar spot right now my man
Good to hear brother.
Prayer done. You've made the wisest decision anyone can make, and that's turning to our Lord Jesus Christ. And Catholicism is no doubt the religion He established in Earth. Very happy for you and best of luck! God bless!
Timothy Gordon and Taylor Marshall have given us back our marriage. What they have said on marriage and complimentarity has reinvented my understanding of marriage. I was one of those awful bitter whinging women. Now I understand true masculinity and femininity and it's attractive. And I'm a much better wife. I can't wait to read Timothy's book. My goal is stopping feminism in this generation and giving my daughters the chance to have an authentic Catholic marriage.
Amen! Happy for you guys!
Same here sister!!
Participate with Our Lady to destroy feminism in you. She will turn you into another Christ. Who knows Jesus better than our Holy Mother?!?!?!
@@reggiejenkins6458 First, Patz is probably a man. Second, well done keeping your wife at home, raising the next generation, as it should be. I was a working mother through necessity and I longed to be a stay-at-home mother with a good provider for us all. God knows what He is about. I hope your wife learns how blessed she is. God bless.
@Patz13 You sound like a jealous man with bitter regrets.
Non-offended female here! I appreciate TnT so much, and we need straightforward people like Tim Gordon discussing controversial issues like feminism within the Catholic Church.
We as individual Catholic women also need to take responsibility for rejecting the ways that feminist lies have shaped or enabled our attitudes and behaviors towards men, family, and society. Christians in particular need to stop essentially "blaming" men for feminism by either implicitly or overtly suggesting that men's shortcomings are primarily responsible for feminism and women's resulting bad behavior.
"If men would just be better men, then women wouldn't..." No, women are grown adults with their own moral agency and culpability; don't let us off the hook for the ways we've allowed feminism to encourage and enable toxic behaviors in our lives. It was individual women who chose to embrace feminism, and now it's up to individual women to reject it.
I'm a woman and I couldn't agree more with Tim on feminism. It's the core rot of our culture.
@Patz13 I'm so glad that's not what I said. :-)
@Patz13 Uh, no, she didn't say that. You're just putting words in her mouths. She never said that all men were angels and that all women were sinners. Besides, how do you know what her silence means? I'm sure she'll agree with you that many men today are guilty of a lot of sins. Just because she didn't condemn that behavior at the beginning of her comment, it doesn't mean she is condoning those sins. So yeah, please, stop attacking her for things she never said.
@Patz13 Wow, name calling. What a helpful example to set.
@Patz13 Obviously you don't want to have a reasonable discussion and would rather call someone you don't even know a liar and a moron. Have a good day.
@Patz13 What got us into this mess is very simple.
Eve talked too much, Adam talked too little.
Eve was too curious, too frivolous, Adam was too reserved.
Both men and women are to blame for the abomination which is feminism, men are not guiltless everyone here knows that we get it.
Lots of sinners in the world, don't put up a fight just because someone wasn't as exhaustive as you wanted.
Tim, the story about your daughter really touched me. Itâs an incredibly beautiful witness to The Holy Spirit and Godâs mercy. God Bless you.
Iâm a 32 year old wife and mother to three- I homeschool our kids and work part time as a music director at a NO church and Iâm not in the slightest offended by anything Tim said and I look forward to the book! I think you were right Matt to push back on his delivery of this true message though, since the bluntness in which he speaks will do little to change the hearts and minds of those raised in a culture that has feminized men and shamed women into believing the lie that they should be able to be perfect Mothers while also having a career and equal leader in the family. To break down the walls of a lifetime of subconscious messages takes both extreme humility and courage! Itâs not an easy pill to swallow for either men or women who have been lied to their whole lives. But irregardless the truth must be spoken. I thought this was an amazing interview. Thanks for the great content.
Sentimental Impressions i agree! I think we need both: nuanced Matt Fradd types and more blunt Gordon types. Fradds to bring people in and Gordons to wake up the people already in. The Saints are beautiful because theyâre so varied. If everyone was a Little Flower nobody would come in.
Sentimental Impressions I agree! I think that because Tim likes to shock and âbe hatedâ as he says, but Matt kept working the dough until Timâs true message came through. I wish heâd stop cursing so much- as someone Catholics are listening to, heâs not the best example. For society to heal, society needs to turn to the church, and in order to heal society, the church must also turn back to the Lord and bring back the way things were done for nearly 2000 years.
Sentimental Impressions I am sorry he is not just blunt, he is downright RUDE
@@marlene56423 There's no such thing. Personal offence is subjective.
So true. It took me years to stop feeling guilty that I stayed home and didnât have a 9-5. It was so ingrained in me growing up in the 80s-90s. Itâs so refreshing and itâs the truth.
Matt you seriously talk more sense than almost everyone I've ever met. Thank you. You've been blessed with the gift of discernment.
I loved this interview! Love TNT!
Timâs perspective on feminism is spot on. Discovering the truth about feminism and submission in marriage changed my life.
I was raised to put down men, women are better then men, bossiness is good, etc. I am working every day to Change the patterns that I began in my marriage and the more I work on myself, the more my husband is stepping up to lead our family in all the ways I always wished he would.
We women have to change ourselves and choose biblical submission-man cannot force women to change. Also, heâs spot on about women working. My life, my husbands life and our family life and marriage are all so much better because I do not work outside the home. Thanks TIm, for standing up for biblical womanhood!
sarahb8755 I have been a stay at home mom my entire marriage up till this past year.My youngest left for college and I found a job. I have a master degree and decided to use it, after25 years at home....I am not a feminist by any stretch of the imagination, and I also like to think of myself as a traditional Catholic....but to be honest, hearing this Gordon guy talk about women makes me cringe...I have girls, I have one in particular who has tested as one of the top SAT scorers in the country, she is going to college to be an Engineer....she just turned 18 and she also happens to be a devout Catholic...a rarity among her piers...should I tell her to stay home, learn how to keep house and wait for Mr. Right?? I also have a female cousin who happens to be the lead scientist for the superior council of scientific research in Europe, she is researching diabetes presently....she is married....if I listen to this guy I would think my cousin is in mortal sin and should quit her job and go home to bake cookies...He and ppl like him are the extremist...in his case I think he is doing it for the $$$
@@marlene56423 I'm not entirely sure where you got the idea that Tim was accusing people of mortal sin by working outside of the house - he's not, and it isn't.
That being said, have you tried researching the topic for yourself? The Church has many teachings and many outstanding reasons for these positions that Tim, perhaps bluntly, describes.
Consider that the Church has been around for 2000 years, and feminism and the modern culture we live in (America and Europe), is actually VERY new (thus modern). This period of time we're living in is out of the ordinary; technologically advanced to such a height that our spiritual and moral obligations to Christ have simply taken the back seat. Your family, your life, and everything you just describe sound wonderful, and I doubt anyone would dismiss your family's Catholicity on the grounds of missing the mark on this particular teaching. That being said, it helps us keep our pride in check when we're told these truths, like in this video. Tim isn't an extremist, he simply practices the Faith more than most of his peers, and in cultures like America and Europe, that stands out. My family is very similar to what you've described; woman going to college for degrees in order to work - it isn't a bad thing... Once married however, it is optimal for the wife to raise the children, and for the husband to provide the income (AND raise the kids/be at home as much as possible).
@@marlene56423 I wonder how he explains Amy Coney Barrett.
Great interview choice đ We are all tired of the status quo Catholic media and personalities that are becoming less and less relevant since they are preaching wrong beliefs, half truths, and sometimes lies. Timothy Gordon is a great choice to have on your show.
@@lbw6081 Father Larry Richards, Archbishop Timothy Dolan, Bishop Barron, Jimmy Akin, Al Kresta, CNA, CCB.... .just to name a few
I love how humble Matt Fradd is. He is so wise and objective. He really is seeking the unbiased truth. đ
Matt Fradd is Gutless and afraid to confront TG. Do not confuse humility with cowardice
I wanna agree with you. Fradd did an interview with the rabid dog/apologist David Wood who attacks Islam every day. As an inter-Christian interview, there was no need to ask tough questions , Matt could have played along with the obscene and specious argumentation.
Instead Matt asked two questions which blew me away. How is you taking the Qur'an out of context different than people who do the same to the Bible? And also, what can we learn from Muslims that is good? There was no obligation to ask questions that pushed back , but Matt Fradd is a really decent guy. And part of the reason I respect Catholics more than Protestants. They have more historical context and understanding.
Even when the guest has no scruples, Matt Fradd is a class act and not a hater, like so many peddling religion on CZcams.
@alldogsgotoheaven take the plank out of your own eye and shut your rude abrasive mouth. You are not being charitable. In that state, your opinion means zero. Your just blowing useless hot air.
@@alldogsgotoheaven3434 Confront Timothy Gordon? On what? The truth?
Best quote: "The problem is men are being Adams and women are being Eves."
Love this talk. I cringed, I laughed, I wanted to be mad, I found myself in large agreement. It was definitely a thought provoking/good food for thought kind of discussion. Thank you!
Lucia DeLoach love your comment, I feel the same
Itâs not just you, Tim. In my opinion, feminism is the root of so many evils: abortion, divorce, contraception, the trauma of children in daycare, etc. Iâm so relieved to hear men saying that women should stay home and raise their children. Thank you for having the courage to speak the truth.
Yeah because husband is pulling down 20k a year and that's enough to pay mortgage, insurance, taxes, food, utilities, misc expenses. Oh, it isn't.....guess the wife will have to hold down a job too. Oh they are such an evil couple. Give me a break.
Kit Cat you misunderstand what TG has said and what I said. There are certainly circumstances where it is absolutely necessary for moms to work. Itâs noble when single moms make sacrifices and work hard to provide for their children, and also, couples, especially just starting their lives together work hard to build security for their future or moms that also work because their husbandsâ income is not enough to cover expenses. These situations are not always sinful or evil. There are circumstances however where both parents work, both making hefty incomes, because they grow accustom to having lots of money and gaining material wealth over time with children and family. Itâs possible that in some situations like this, it could definitely be considered sinful. Not all though. What I find upsetting is the feminist ideology that encourages women to have careers and wealth over having families then find in their late fortyâs that their lives are empty. Working-mom situations can also enable men to be less ambitious, because they know the survival of the family does not solely depend on them and this has caught on in our culture. Catholic culture is counter cultural. We should strive to live our Catholic faith daily and bring our children up with Catholic values and morals and resist the lies that mainstream culture feeds us daily. I want to raise my boys to be real men that understand the virtues of real manhood and sacrificial love. I want to raise my girls to be women that understand the importance of raising their own children as they love and sacrifice for their husbands. Thatâs why I appreciate what men like Tim and Taylor have to say. God bless you.
I love watching both T&T and the Matt Fradd show so this episode is extra awesome to watch! Timothy Gordon, I am incredibly excited for your book - My husband and I believe that a stay at home mom is the best possible thing for the family, and thank God we are able to do have that.. You take a mom away from raising her children and you are asking for trouble! Ideally,I think the best thing is also having the father work from home.
That's why farm life is do good. Mom and dad are home rearing the kids. It's the ideal.
I am a woman and I see exactly what Timothy is saying. I struggle with this at times, but I get it. I wish society would be right side up and things like this were not so contraversial.
It is more difficult to follow a man who is not willing to assume his role completely and fully, which is what Matt was saying.
Love Timâs straightforward approach. Itâs refreshing in this day and age of excessive sensitivity.
Absolutely!
"I don't say what I mean to say". What a worm.
I think everyone in this thread needs to read On the Dignity and Vocation of Women by St. John Paul II.
Exactly all other people are doing is sugar coating things. Things like this need to be said like it is.
@@rachelcullen6038 agreed... geez
Oooh wow! Great! Iâve never seen anyone publicly talk of how some wifeâs treat their husbands. Itâs true unfortunately. I worked retail for decades. Seen this! And, 4 years were in menâs area in a department store . I was SHOCKED at how wives treated their husbands. Disturbing and Sad. Looking forward to new book on feminism. My teen boys will like it too. They want traditional marriage and cannot stand the man hating feminism that is infecting our society. Generation Z!!!!
I got so excited when I saw Timothy was on here! I LOVE watching he and Dr. Marshall talk on TNT!
I think Timbo has obviously distanced himself from TM
@@evgeny9965 yeah, why did he do that?
It's like Matt is reading my mind @1:21:30...
I wonder how many souls Timothy Gordon has converted/reverted with his brash, uncharitable style of speech. His brute force, anti-chubby approach may be good at galvanizing the luke-warm's will to confront those that ridicule God, the Church, and her teachings, but in no way do I feel like I'm a better person (desiring to draw closer to our Lord) for having listened to him speak.
@Nym GRACE, you're amazing! I was raised Episcopalian and converted to Catholicism in 2011, because I had a one GENTLE soul in my life that was willing to walk with me as I questioned everything that seemed to crumble around me :)
I really like Matt and T. Gordon because they both really do well at explaining thought processes, and why people have those thought processes. They like developing their thoughts out a lot, long-form is great for them.
One wage households were promoted in rerum novarum and casti canubi. Itâs true, but they were pushed as a right, that workers had a right to a fair wage, that gave the family a modest lifestyle, where the woman is not forced to work in order to provide for the necessities of life for the family. So itâs not a negative denial of women working, but a positive affirmation of the right of families for dad to make enough to finance a modest lifestyle by his own labour, so that mom can stay home and look after the kids and create a home.
Thanks for pointing this out. As most anyone who reads and lives knows, that right to a good family wage has not been enforced in the world's societies for a great many men. So what Gordon thinks is a "requirement" for women to stay home has not been practicable in countless working-poor families, and thus this has not been enforced by the Church. Good for Gordon that he has a rarefied existence of teaching and writing books and earning enough for his wife to stay home. Does he really think that all other men have the same life and that all the women they're married to can stay home all the time like his wife? Would that they could, but this is not the reality. And would that there was no militant feminism, but it is now a part of everyday life and we Catholics must battle it as best we can without misinterpreting past papal edicts. And what's the deal with Gordon's repeated filthy language here? Like he's actually trying to sound "working class" himself when he clearly knows nothing about it! It's a shame, he started off here very sympathetic in talking about his daughter and wife's illness, then quickly collapsed into jerk mode. Of course, many viewers immediately mistake this for him "keeping it real."
Wow Tim dropped some biblical truths. A house is a home when a woman does everything from the grace of God. Blessings from Australia đŠđș
I am a Protestant Evangelical pastor and Timothy Gordon is spot on. I have his book, "The Case for Patriarchy" which I heartily endorse.
I have also read two of Carrie Gress' books on Feminism and its disasterous impact on Western culture.
I might add that Protestant theologian William Dabney in 1871 warned that Feminism would "destroy civilization and Christianity in America." He, too, was spot on. Homosexuality, while evil, is not nearly the threat that Feminism poses
Tim comes off as quite arrogant unfortunately. Same goes for Taylor Marshall and Michael Voris. Even the good things they discuss or report on is tinged with pride, like they are the cream of the crop in the body of Christ and they are where itâs at. For example, heâs saying only one family (other than his of course) is a properly ordered family in all of Disneyland. Oh, this family isnât smiling, well feminism is the fault obviously. Fradd was attempting to show possible nuance and context of possibilities of what could be going on. It Gordon takes a one crappy action of a wife and paints a whole story and judgment like he is on the know. You get a sense that these guys (Marshall, Gordon and Voris) are book smart, but not very wise and very judgmental of people without knowing the depth and backstory of people. Itâs unfortunate because they have a lot to offer the Church.
Tim was exaggerating to make a point. I am sure he does not seriously think that his family was the only rightly ordered one in all of Disney World. That was a little hyperbole.
I have to admit that if this were my first time listening to Timothy, I wouldn't seek him out in the future. I am a regular TNT listener and LOVE the podcasts but Timothy, you are really negative on the topic of women. I agree that women need to be the homemaker and submissive but the point of view you seem to miss is men failing to take up their proper role as leader of the house and family. I am a little older and have stayed at home once I became married. I worked professionally before marriage. I frequently have conversations with Catholic married stay at home women and we are universally struggling with marriage because the men will not take leadership roles in the family. They are absolutely MIA and these are women who DESPERATELY want their husband to be in charge, understand the proper role of man and woman and believe feminism is evil. Matt did an excellent job of trying to draw this point out.
While true, the amount of women who want to be led is such a small percentage precisely because of feminism, which has also caused generations of men who dont know how to be men.
Talk to over 90% of women and the idea that they should be submissive to their husbands is outrageous to them
@@eduardog8201 I agree. But what to do? In my opinion, a leader (this case the husband) needs to take the bull by the horns and start leading! The buck stops with the husband. If a man truly loves his wife the way Jesus loves the church, the wife will submit happily. Men need to stop whining and start acting.
@Patz13 and you clearly have a vendetta against men so I think your feminist bias is hindering your credibility.
@@juliesmith2001 Lady, do you really think that if you went up to Timothy Gordon and asked him straight, "Are there unholy husbands too, or just unholy wives?", that he would tell you there are no bad husbands.
Obviously you don't, you know he knows bad husbands exist, but the problem he was dealing with was feminism which is all the LGBT stuff in its final form, he was not dealing with MGTOW or some other ideology which undermines women.
So look, I think it's very simple.
In the garden of Eden who did Satan go to first?
The answer is the woman.
Feminism is the gateway drug for depravity in both woman and men, MGTOW is reactionary to feminism, effeminate soyboy men is the product of feminism.
We now have male groups that totally hate women like they are all witches, and on the other hand we have effeminate lousy men who have no dignity and are just looking for sex and free housing.
Timothy Gordon is an intelligent man he knows the rot begins with feminism and spreads out from there.
In the garden of Eden, woman talked too much, Adam talked too little.
Complete reversal in Jesus Christ and the Blessed Virgin Mary, we meditate on their lives so often, let us take their example and win against Satan in this all out war on marriage.
There is no single solution for the compounded problems feminism has wrought in society simply because God said He would âput emnity between you and the woman.â IOW, the battle of the sexes is easier to solve. Men have been victimized by feminism in having no power to halt the abortion of their own children while being forced to pay child support for other menâs children through family court bias towards women. Women have often worked to support their partners while in medical or law school, or been left behind with young children by husbands seeking younger wives, etc etc.
Overturning Roe v. Wade is a good first step toward in the direction of a more traditional society, but itâs going to take years to heal the damage done by feminism to the family since 1848.
It must be admited that it is not easy to have a child like Tim's. I'm sure she is a blessing in disguise. But I'm still austanded to learn that she uttered clearly over again "Holy Spirit" at her age n in the Church n even with her speech impediment. "You taught children n infants to give You praise" (Matthew 21:16) It definitely was a lesson for all us. Thank you Tim for sharing this incredible miraculous story.
God bless you !!!
Yeah, half of TNT. Your guests keep getting better and better.
I enjoyed this so much. He spoke clearly and wasnât the least bit wishy washy. Super refreshing to hear. Reminds me of a lay version of Father Ripperger. Matt you did an excellent job interviewing him.
Agreed. Both arrogant, fallible men who aggravate scrupulosity.
Iâm not a feminist by any stretch of the imagination, I believe there is definitely truth in a lot of what Timothy says, Iâm not a dramatic person and I donât think Iâve commented on a CZcams video for like seven years, but my jaw actually dropped several times during this interview. Yes, preach truth! We need it. But we have to desire the good of those we preach to (love) or it can really be harmful. And I just didnât hear much of that. Not that he doesnât, but his arguments sound more accusatory than convicting. And the former isnât the way God communicates or works. I promise Iâm not a snowflake. Just pointing out something I didnât see mentioned much in the comments. Thanks for pushing back a bit Matt.
Becca you are spot on. I did not like it
Becca Kohl good to hear from ya!!(:
You should reread the gospels...Jesus is extremely accusatory and rightfully so.
BumpOnALog this guy is not Jesus Christ. He is just a guy who got a degree in theology (not even a doctoral degree) and teaches religion in high school. Big deal. Please donât get your guidance from someone who is just out there trying to make an income.
@@marlene56423 I'm not sure what listing his background does in this context...is he right? That's all the matters in the end. Is there anything Tim Gordon said that isn't true?
I'm reading Tim's book, Catholic Republic, now. What a history lesson! I recommend it highly.
"There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Tim's story of his daughter really hits home. My wife and I were both, badly catechized, fallen away Catholics, married outside the Church. Our oldest daughter was born about 14-weeks premature. She had a brain bleed and other issues, resulting in a number of disabilities. The experience with her started to our journey back to the faith.
I think what really needs to be pointed out here about the part of the conversation that is on marriage is that Timothy Gordon continually uses words that show a lack of respect, mercy, understanding, and compassion towards women.
Like the "chub" comments. If he had said "Fat" at least that would be scientific. But he even goes on to explain that picturing women with "chub" helps to lower arousal (for him and also other men). This is an extremely demeaning comment to make about ANYONE, whether they are male or female. As if what our bodies look like are attributed to who we are as people. I really was disappointed to hear a Catholic man talk about anyone that way, but especially women. You are not only in charge of upholding the dignity of the people who are attractive, but you also need to hold up the dignity of those who are not.
If the goal of Christians is to imitate Christ, can you honestly say that that was a reflection of Jesus Christ? Do you honestly believe that Jesus would have talked that way about ANYONE?
Just something to think about. I know we're not all perfect, but kindness and charity is always something to strive for.
I agree with this comment 100% and I'm likewise disappointed by the people who are echoing his sentiments. Absolutely terrible way to talk about women. Uncharitable, obvious lack of humility.
Fully agree ....seeing him a new light
the good news give it ten years and he will be a chub
Yes, well said!!! I kept thinking the exact same thing when he use that term... Just goes to show he's a good Catholic man but he's flawed just like everyone else.
@EJ Everlast but when she was sculling you did she humiliate you? did she call you fat slob or some other kind of degrading description towards you? I think not, point she was making is that he was describing women in a humiliating term.
OK, I'm half way through listening to the interview and you all are discussing the role of husbands and wives, and I get it. My husband is the sole provider in our marriage and always has been. We've been married for 19 yrs. and have three children. That being said, even I have had some struggles with bitterness from time to time because my husband does not do some of the typical, classic male role things - like at all. I desire that he lead our family and I would love it if he would take on some of the physically demanding things around our house - fixing things, doing auto care, doing lawn care, but he is just not there. I think part of it is because he was raised without a father. He was raised by a feminist mom. I think when we are discussing the family we need to recognize that a substantial amount of married couples come from broken homes themselves and they might not have even seen a traditional family, let alone know how it is supposed to work. There is a real need for older couples to mentor others who simply don't come from a traditional two parent household, especially those of us who grew up in the 70's or later.
Christi Dea -You are absolutely right. A nominal âCatholicâ man can be worse than any atheist as a husband in many ways. Especially if his father was MIA. Women can shed feminism fairly easily but a missing father = a psychologically damaged man who falls into every trap-porn, irresponsibility, passivity, hostility towards children. Feminism gives men the âfreedomâ to eschew masculine cultural norms. I havenât yet seen any men who have overcome the damage of the missing father/father wound.
Yes effeminate men do cause us women to have to "take charge" it's a vicious cycle. The only thing I can think to do is to build up the man in his masculinity so that he takes the responsibility. It's a bit like mothering a teen helping him to grow as a man. I say a bit like because it isn't actually mothering. It's more like counseling? I don't know. All I know is that we can't usurp a man's role and that becomes challenging when the man doesn't take ownership of his own role. That's where fraternity comes in. Men like that need a manly mentor.
Ask him to listen to Fr. Ripperger on authentic masculinity and Catholic fatherhood. Really powerful stuff.
What about men who don't like cars and really have no ability to "fix things" or "do auto care" or "mow the lawn".
Why do we need to expect all men to be able to do those things?
What about men who are more aesthetically inclined, or prefer to take care of kids? Are they not "Real men".
I was raised with a father and still can't fix things. Does that make me "less of a man" in your traditionalist views?
It was a few years ago when I came across a piece of online news telling about how a group of fathers were offering to be fathers for young boys within their community whose biological fathers were absent. In other words, stable men stepped in to fill in (to the extent they could) the roles the boysâs MIA fathers left behind. This was somewhere in Canada if I remember correctly. I think the mechanism would work well to counteract some of the consequences of missing-fathers in the lives of our fatherless boys. It could be one solution
Matt Frad, you are a person who does amazing talks and teachings. You talk about not objectifying women, especially in pornography. I am deeply disappointed that the multiple times Tim Gordon referred to menâs wives as âchubbyâ and âunattractive,â that you didnât say anything to address that. As Christians, the physical appearance doesnât matter. You know that. You practically teach that and about the dignity of each person and his / her body. I really wish you wouldâve addressed those comments.
trallskis physical attraction surely matters. We ought not to only value people for their looks, but surely you cannot say that our beloved needs to be someone we are unattracted to physically. Remember Mattâs conversation about his wife and the âwhat if she burned and was hideous convoâ.
@@bballaguy298 you are equating being attractive with being thin and that isn't a given
Tim Gordon and Matt Walsh are exactly what the world needs. No more softening blows and leading with nuances. Catholicism is true, and everyone needs to embrace the truth or risk going to hell. Our society has only fallen so far because people are afraid to preach the truth. Delicate words have only affirmed the delusions of hedonists that sin has no consequences.
Every time I listen to Tim, I need to have a dictionary at the ready. I absolutely love his directness and Matt spent too much time trying to soften him. Kind of embarrassing. I am a woman and I feel like Tim absolutely gets the evil of feminism perfectly and I certainly donât need it all watered down.
Great discussion! Appreciate TimÂŽs firm stance on Catholicism but feel he leaves little if any space for self criticism or acknowledgement of imperfection on his point of view...
Ryan Michael Oehme I reeeeeally appreciated Mattâs pushback. It was iron sharpening iron, in a refining sort of way.
I agree. I can understand that he doesnât want to âgive inâ to political correctness but Tim doesnât seem open to the fact that one can tell the hard truth without always using hard words. Could he not call the husband the authority (which comes from Latin) or the Leader of the family? Thatâs not mincing words but some might be more inclined to listen. It is hard to always respect Timâs word choice as solid when curse words slip off his tongue much too easily! I listen to him regularly on TNT but I think ithe cursing harms his ability to witness.
Agreed. I hear a lot of unhealed hurt and judgement/pride under a strong point of view...if Tim is at all concerned with evangelization,you can't say, "I don't give a s*** what people think" and say something in a flippant and abrasive way. Read some St. Paul.
Agree...self-criticism and maybe a little humility. That's the thing I find lacking in Tim and I listen to TnT often. The root of being a Christian is humility.
Why would the church ever invalidate any of the orders of the mass . Jesus is still present in the Word and the Eucharist. I believe there should be more reverence but to mock the joyful worship of people during joyful seasons . David danced before the Lord. We cannot be in a state of dirge and chant all the time. Everything in its place. Music, and art are subjective. Do you really think God laughs at the worship of a prayerful heart because of the style of music or art. I was unable to sleep and literally awake at the crack of dawn and was watching catholic divine mercy set to music. The following video was by a group called the âVigil Projectâ. The sun âSonâwas rising and the music was inspired and moving. It was Easter time.Do you think the early Christians used organs?
Summary of the Show: Tim Gordon says something offensive and Matt Fradd says "Do you really mean that?"
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I didn't hear Tim say anything offensive. He spoke candidly and with precision. Only a Modernist would find such refreshing truths "offensive".
Matt - your showing your colors
Iâm woman who totally agrees
He is pro woman. You seem to think not.
@@tabbycat9701 Saying that all religions are dumb I think is offensive. Rather it's true or not is a different question.
@@michaelkiser2294 Yes some things are offensive as they should be in that some comments are inherently attacking what's detestable. Another example is "murderers are terrible people." That's an "offensive" comment against murderers.
I am 57 years old, lifelong Catholic, and I have never met a man who would have married and taken the position of Catholic leader as you are speaking of. I personally think that men enjoy women working as it has aliveated them being the sole provider and now , with people being so materialistic, they have more possessions. I longed to meet a man who would have taken the Catholic position of husband in my marriage.
Disrespect and pure arrogance is never Christian.
This conversation is painful to listen to, but I did anyway. I have worked hard at a job all my life. I didn't have a choice. Why? Too many male feminists. All of the men I have met were only interested in living together, not getting married, and even encouraging me to earn the money, so they can quit their job they don't like. Needless to say, I backed away from these men with all due haste. Even in my Latin Mass parish, there are men who can't even support themselves properly who are interested in a relationship. So here I am facing 63 years, and pretty much given up. We live in an atomized society of many, many singletons. The truth is there a lot more women who are just trying to get along, and have a pleasant life than there are shrieking feminists. Put away the broad brush.
God bless you. You are a real woman. This man does to speak for real men. Don't forget God loves you and your reward in heaven will be great.
God Bless you for having the courage at listening to a difficult conversation. I think one way to assimilate this info and this topic is to understand that the fight is against the organized activism called feminism and its matching ideologies. The fight isn't against every woman who has had to make difficult choices to survive. You mention you had to work because you had no choice. That's valid. The crux here is, if given the choice, would you choose to work or stay home with the kids. I had to work as I am a single parent, but if I had the choice of a supportive husband I would choose to stay home.
Robin Poe I am in the same position just younger than you at 46. Unlike you I am an unattractive chubs.
Itâs important that stories like yours also be told. It keeps the conversation going and gives direction for growth for our current views
That was 2 hours and 50 minutes of truth. Great interview Matt. I really like Timothy Gordon.
Content aside - From a rhetorical and argumentative standpoint, it was hard to keep up with what Fradd and Gordon agree/disagree on. Terms were not clearly defined, claims were dodged, both parties seemed confused at what the others said.
If youâre going to argue for the purpose of advancing the development of an issue/solution, something like defining terms and answering questions would be necessary or else people will be confused and angry. That doesnât help anyone.
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This convinced me I need to get Tim Gordonâs book!
right on wo...man...
I loved the long, conversational format. Would appreciate seeing more of these. So much to consider and learn. Thank you!
I am so disheartened by this comment section. So thankful my faithful, Catholic husband treats me as one equal in intelligence, dignity, and ability to contribute to the world, both in my role as wife/mother and as nurse/friend/thinker/helper/a lot of things.
Kmbrez you are completely right ignore that psuedo apologetics below
I meant from Aurelius ABOVE !
My husband and I are not equal. Anyone who says so.. Needs to listen to this conversation again with an open mind. My husband is much better than I at some things and I have different strengths to him, I am definitely better at keeping a home and juggling things with our kids. We bring our different strengths together to make our marriage and family work. 22 years married and 5 children.
So sorry you have a problem with my chubbiness Tim, which is part of the cross I bare from my multiple rare genetic chronic invisible illness. - A faithful listener of your TnT show (from day 1), fellow anti-feminist, homeschooling, traditionally minded Catholic
T. G. Would make a good Muslim not a good catholic let alone a Christian.
I think Tims arguments might have been better received if he explained that having a mom/wife at home is far more valuable than the extra money from her having a job. The way he framed it was just, married women shouldn't work period without explaining how much more it helps in raising healthy children and the overall stability and happiness of marriages with stay-at-home moms/housewives
Well they would be better received if he didnât imply that unattractive women shouldnât complain to their husbands
Matt and Tim, thank you for this conversation. I know that Matt was concerned about how women would respond to this discussion, but I hope that men watching & listening can understand their TRUE roles, too.
Matt you were great in this interview. Being a kiwi I felt your pain at times when Tim got too un pc, but I have to also say I love Tim's general point - women who have been sucked into the lie that feminisim is empowering and are now so wounded by the fallout - broken marriages, abandoning our children or the grief of childlessness, pressure to earn money, being shamed if you stay home esp by other women, the misery and trauma of sleeping around when every cell in your body wants commitment...etc etc... it is somehow a relief to hear this from a man - it is like a knight in white armour coming to save you.
â@Patz13 Why do you want us to coooooonstantly, non-stop, follow up every observation of how we women have been sucked into certain particular sins, with the dull and cliched truth that obviously men sin too? NO ONE ignores the sins of men in modern culture. But almost EVERYONE ignores the sins of women -- to the point that we are actually taught to CELEBRATE the sinful behaviour of women. And I say this as a woman: I am RELIEVED and thankful (along with Hannah) that Tim isn't condescending to me or treating womankind like teeny-tiny little children who can't be held accountable to good behaviour (which is what our culture does). Jesus says the good shepherd leaves the flock to go after the lost sheep: In this case, the male sheep in the flock are thoroughly taken care of (their sins are chastised at EVERY turn); but the female sheep have gone so far astray that they've mistaken rocks in the distance as the flock (mistaken evil for good), and the shepherd needs to go bring women back, in a particular way. Tim (and all who critique the evils of modern feminism) are doing exactly that.
tl;dr: No one is 'ignoring' male sin. But females have been thrown to the wolves of sin in our culture in a particular way (OPENLY encouraged to become wolves ourselves, and to mistake abusive assertions of 'power' as good), requiring a particular rescue. And it is outrageously rarely talked about, so Tim (and Hannah, and now I) are talking about it here.
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Timothy Gordon, In Reference to Section 42:05 "Abortion: People are trying to make this ultimately a male issue. Ultimately, its a female issue, legally and morally. Men are victims of abortions..." I think you need to hear what Saint John Paul II had to say about women and abortion: "A woman is left alone, exposed to public opinion with "her sin", while behind "her" sin there lurks a man - a sinner, guilty "of the other's sin," indeed equally responsible for it. And yet his sin escapes notice, it is passed over in silence: he does not appear to be responsible for "the other's sin"! Sometimes, forgetting his own sin, he even makes himself the accuser, as in the case described [the woman caught in adultery]. How often, in a similar way, the woman pays for her own sin (maybe it is she, in some cases, who is guilty of the "other's sin" - the sin of man), but she alone pays and she pays all alone! How often is she abandoned with her pregnancy, when the man, the child's father, is unwilling to accept responsibility for it? And beside the many "unwed mothers" in our society, we also must consider all those who, as a result of various pressures, even on the part of the guilty man, very often "get rid of" the child before it is born. "they get rid of it": but at what price?" - On the Dignity and Vocation of Women, pg 61-62. Pauline Books and Media, Boston - Anniversary Edition commentary by Genevieve Kineke.
The fact is that both the man and woman are guilty of sin, but often times it is the man who tries to deny his part in it, and allows the woman to take the full fall for it.
Timothy Gordon, you sir lack not only an understanding of history, you also lack respect for women as they are created in equal worth and dignity to man. You are trying to set the male above the female, and this is in direct contrast to Gods design for male and female created in his image.
To quote St. John Paul II once more; "Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you" (Gen 3:16), we discover a break and a constant threat precisely in regard to this "unity of the two" which corresponds to the dignity of the image and likeness of God in both of them. But this threat is more serious for the woman, since domination takes the place of "being a sincere" gift and therefore living "for" the other: "he shall rule over you." This "domination" indicates the disturbance and loss of the stability of that fundamental equality which the man and the woman posses in "unity of the two": this is especially to the disadvantage of the woman, whereas only the equality resulting from their dignity as persons can give their mutual relationship the character of an authentic "communion personarum". Pg 41 On the Dignity and Vocation of Woman.
Furthermore from St. John Paull II:
"The Matrimonial union requires respect for and a perfecting of the true personal subjectivity of both of them. The woman cannot become the "object" of "domination and male "possession (pg 42)." " - Domination and objectification is what you are suggesting Timothy Gordon, when you insist that all feminism is evil.
In summary: "The words of Genesis refer directly to marriage, but indirectly they concern the different spheres of social life: the situations in which the woman remains disadvantaged or discriminated against by the fact of being a woman. The revealed truth concerning the creation of the human being as male and female constitutes the principal argument against objectively injurious and unjust situations which contain and express the inheritance of the sin which all human beings bear within themselves."
Timothy Gordon, every woman has reason, and has freewill, as she too is a person. Therefore, everywoman is endowed with inalienable rights: life, liberty and happiness. These are not just aspects or rights of male persons. Feminism was born out of the sin of men. The sin of denial of equal rights, legal treatment and dignity.
-I would think twice about publishing your book.
@Mourning Star Feminist Ego? What part? Saying Abortion is evil? Saying that abortion is ultimately the sin of a man who decides to use a woman for his own personal gain - the sin of a man who lures a woman into adultery. Then stands as her accuser when he himself put her in that position in the first place? Which part is it? That any person who uses another individual for their own gain is ultimately sinning against God their creator? Would you like to clarify which part is speaking about Satan? Because if you are disagreeing with anything I have written I suggest you go do an examination of conscious and look at the areas in your life which are denying responsibility for and casting onto another. Not only did Adam perpetuate Eve's sin he blamed her and God for his own choice and action. Like a snake caught under the heel of a boot - wriggling violently because they know they are doomed. So yes, its time to call out men. The men who have been set as guards but have instead turned against that which they were supposed to protect and defend, but instead have used for their own gain.
Ultimately, I'm not worried about you, and I am not worried about any other human Man - why because my Mother is the Queen of Heaven, my Brother is the King and my Father is God, as he is your Father as well. So check yourself - because you are no greater than I am, and no man has the right of dominion over any woman, just as no woman has right or dominion over any man.
I have to agree. I am a sponsor for RCIA and TWICE over the years about halfway through the process the woman I am sponsoring has wanted to have a private conversation and then told me that they had an abortion and wanted to become Catholic to receive God's mercy and love as they felt it was the ONLY place in society openly talking about abortion and the truth of abortion. In both cases they were heavily pressured by the father to abort the baby. In one case the woman was married, the baby was special needs and both he and the male doctor put her under tremendous emotional pressure to abort the baby. She wasn't a Catholic and had no ammunition against the onslaught, because of course she was "selfish" to have the baby. How does Tim reconcile this mother (who had two other children) who was obedient to her husband's wishes and was suffering for it ever since. The abortion of course did serious damage to their marriage too.
'If I have all the eloquence of men or of angels, but speak without love, I am simply a gong booming or a cymbal clashing.'
Tim, I'm a TNT viewer...and your wife is just as much of an influence on my Catholic view as you are. She's not the one who is broadcasting verbally, but she just as powerfully influences by her example. Tell her, I am truly grateful for her and for your family for having the courage to speak and live the Truth.
Also, I see women shouting st their men ALL the time... everywhere. In Cali and here in AZ. It makes me sick.
@Patz13 How do you expect anyone to believe this LIE? Unless you live under a rock or are a three year old then there is absolutely no way that you have never seen a wife yell at her husband. Yet somehow among your apparently incredibly sheltered life you have managed to witness multitudes of abusive males. At least try to be more clever with your feminist poison and don't make your lies so obvious.
HAYAO LEONE I have never see a wife yell at her husband or a husband yell at his wife. I guess I am always in good company!! But TG Is a douche bag
Matt, I realize this is an older episode, and you may not be monitoring the comments. I need to defend Tim's comments about how many women treat their husbands today. (He was talking about a woman yelling at her husband for offering her a soft drink) Just so you know since you are blessed to be in a holy marriage, so many of us do not have that experience. My late wife was angry and abusive for the last 20 of our 32 year marriage. And I know many other men who share my experience. I do believe the strain of the two-income household had a large role on that in my marriage, and I honestly believe that her realization that I couldn't on my own create an income that would support the expected middle-class lifestyle. The last time she cussed me out was when she came home from work (she worked weekends as a nurse) and I had cleaned the house and done all the laundry. No thanks at all, she screamed at me for how I folded the towels. This is the experience of many, and it is reflected in the popular culture's portraits of fathers since the mid-80s. This is reality, Tim hits the nail on the head. To be sure, I played the perfect Adam to Debi's Eve.
@@CDKV This comment makes no sense. Everybody, Tim included, would agree that if the alternative to two incomes was the family starving or losing their home, then two incomes is preferable. The relevant discussion is if one can justify having two incomes when one is sufficient to provide for the material needs of the family.
Also, your posting here just proves that Tim is right to cut you out of his family's life. Your going around gossiping and even talking about his personal finances. Keep your lips sealed.
Matt is right on.đ Also, I think one has to be careful not to assume too much about various couples out in public. You have no idea what is going on in those marriages. My dad is a horrible narcissist and puts on a great show in front of other people who he cares about impressing. People don't have a clue. Anyway, good discussion.
True - narcissists are tricky. I've adopted the Fox Mulder motto "trust no one"
@Patz13 wounded dogs bark when hit....me thinks mr N O "done been smacked on his nose with a rolled up newspaper by a few ladies. lol
Diane Marie . Sometimes. I think public displays are more the rule than the exception.
I am so happy that these guys have exposed all of this. Not exposing has caused more victums..
This was a great talk. I never had a good feeling about Tim Gordon from his bite sized Twitter and clips I had seen of him, but Matt's clarifications of what Tim was saying and prying to make sure that he understood what Tim was saying really helped me to see where Tim was coming from. Thanks for pushing back as well as your clarity, Matt!
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I don't always agree with Timothy Gordon, but I sure do on feminism. Before my husband died, we had an amazing marriage because I was a homemaker and mother. I loved it. He loved it. And our kids loved it.
I do wish you would bleep out some of Timothy's four letter words. I think it's kind of odd that someone who presents himself as being so Catholic would sprinkle in so many curse words into his normal conversation.
I think he didn't because he states what he thinks about curse words. Look it up, it's here on youtube.
@@tanyaortiz8053 What Matt thinks about curse words, or his guest?
@@ChristiDea Matt's thoughts
@Patz13 my reply is about Matt's opinion on the matter not my own nor it was a declaration of truth. You wondered why Matt hadn't censored Gordon's cussing and I pointed why.
âCurse wordsâ that arenât actually curses have been arbitrarily determined to carry a negative social stigma by society and do not have an inherently evil nature, so to use them precisely and accurately as Tim has here is not hypocritical but rather using those words as they ought.
Matt, thanks for all you do. Glad to see you all had such a great chat.
Thanks be to God for your vocation and your care for souls in your work.
I agree there are a lot of women who are rude and snap back at their husbands but I see just as many men who do the same to their wives.
Both need more virtue. The problem is husbands and wives are called to be strong in different virtues.
Loved this. I loved the clarity, even the things that are hard to hear.
This was a great interview and all, but honestly, Matt looking down and stifling a giggle when Tim described himself as a bad boy is the content I'm here for.
Good stuff Matt! Please do more of this. I've actually haven't watched you in a while but tuned in for this one. Thanks.
Thank you for saying what I've been saying for years; we have to encourage young people to marry! I'm a mom of young children but when I say this in front of other parents, particularly those with older children, I get daggersđ We should be beginning the marriage preparations when our children are young by talking about being and identifying quality mates. We cant wait until they're 30 then say they need a YEAR of pre-cana classes to "prepare them" for marriage. If you think that wont encourage sin and poison their future happiness you're either crazy or in denial. Can't wait for Tim's new books!
Also waiting til you're 30 to settle down is not ideal for starting families.
Having listened to the full thing, its my favorite since the Christopher West one. REALLY fascinating and challenging
I truly enjoyed watching and listening to this. Mahalo guys!
Hey Matt, just wanted to let you know that you're doing an amazing job, and I keep going back to your interviews, especially those with Peter Kreeft and Christopher West. I love how you calmly chat about what those peoples personal interests are and give such a rejuvenating outlook and put hope and faith in God in the center. I also think it's such a good step, how you take on current topics, even if they are difficult, and discuss with people who have different viewpoints and beliefs, so they get a chance to be heard in a way that's not cropped down to 5 minute clips or some headlines. Keep going and spread the Spirit ... God bless you and your family a million times! :)
Hi Tim and Matt, I am a 53 yo woman that was on the feminism bandwagon for much of my midlife. I too am a cradle Catholic and have recently come to know the faith as it should have been taught (I don't know what word to use either). I used to rail against the whole notion that I was raised to be a stay at home mom. I am smart and have 2 degrees. BUT now, I would love nothing more than be that stay at home mom, homeschooling my children (I had them late in life), and taking care of my home. I have an addicted (multiple vices) husband and I have been forced into being in charge. If I had not done so, we would be in struggling in a bad rental. I hate having this responsibility but feel I have little choice. I work because I am afraid that his body will give up and we will be without a household income. My children are on the ASD spectrum and need management and I am left almost alone in this management. In fact, he often confounds issues. He clearly stated last week that he puts his dog above his children. He has no concept what true masculinity is and I can't teach him.
FEMINISM SUCKS. They lie, like much of the left political agendas.
I disagree. I have been one of those wives, snarky, disagreeable, whiny women and it did absolutely no good for my husband. He is not lazy, he works very hard, but he is defeated. I helped make him that way, I am far from the only reason, but I just finished the job. He sacrifices but for all the wrong things and reasons. I can no longer help him because he doesn't believe me anymore.
I used to believe in the first definition (1) of the dictionary entry but no longer believe that should even be attempted. Science keeps proving men and women are two very separate entities and should be treated as such (contrary to what the left want you to believe). Looping them into one category only harms. I also believe the World Wars did more for women in the workplace (ie a lack of men) and feminism has just laid claim to it. I also believe because I live it every day, that not having one parent at home keeping house, raising the children, is destroying the family. Feminism tells me I shouldn't be concerned with that. They are wrong.
Yes, it is nice I have the two degrees so that I can support my family, but I wish I didn't have to rely on them. I purposely went back to school at 50 to get a second degree because of the mess I have helped create.
If I was a single woman, and needing to support myself because I didn't have a husband and children, I would likely be grateful for the degrees I have. But since that is not the case, I would gladly turn them in if I could. I am glad you think your careers are fulfilling and a right you and your sisters have fought for. My own sister is a CPA, and a very good one, but she is always trying to find a way to work less too (a need to be at home caring for her son). I will likely find my latest career fulfilling, to a certain extent, but it is not the job I now know I truly want.
And just a note on a myth that women get paid less than men...They don't. YES, they make less over a LIFETIME but not necessarily on an hourly wage/salary for comparable employment (that is negligible). Think about it... For every $1 a man makes a woman, we are told, makes $0.87. If a woman has children, they often take a year off work to care for the infant. On a 40 year (for convenience sake) career life, about 2.5 cents per child. If a woman has two children, she is already making $0.95. Now consider that a woman with children will prefer to work within a 10 min drive of her home (there is a statistic somewhere, I could find if I was so inclined) because she wants to be near her children. She also tends to work fewer hours per week, 30-35 hours ... take another 5 to 7.5 cents off that dollar. Have I made the $0.87 yet? I haven't even gotten to deliberately taking the lower-paying jobs of convenience. Now consider how much she might be paying out in childcare expenses... is her job worth it? Just so she can say she is fulfilled?
Think, research, don't believe what you have been fed, be a sceptic. That's what I have been doing.
@Patz13 I too wish that I didn't have to work outside the home at all... but isn't in the cards at this time.
I DO NOT blame myself for ALL my husband's issues, I never did, I just TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for my part in it. There is a difference. The society at large today is all about blame and no responsibility. It doesn't work.
I do not take Timothy Gordon as a guru, nor am I brainwashed by him. This is the first time I have heard him speak at length about feminism. There are several things that I have some issue with that he could have stated more clearly, or could have answered Matt's questions better, but I also acknowledge that he is writing a book on the subject and his mind has become hyper-focused on the matters. I have been most affected by the work Fr. Chad Ripperger and he almost never uses the word feminism.
Getting back to the placing of blame... I have heard many interviews and discussions with Tim, he places lots of blame on men too. And I don't see blame as the correct word, I believe the phrase should be 'take responsibility.' There is a tremendous amount of mud-slinging going on right now and almost nobody is standing up and trying to make things right. If they do, the mud gets slung at them from both sides of the argument and they get destroyed by the very thing they are trying bring to light and hopefully stop. Nobody seems to want to give up their bad behaviour. We have to take responsibility for our own behaviour if any of the ills of today are to be even addressed. Masculine and feminine toxicity is rampant and it is killing us.
Unfortunately for the feminist movement right now, it is those angry, green-haired lesbians that are running it. They are pushing the agenda. My first statement said that I was fully immersed in the movement (for about 25 years). I KNOW what feminism is all about. Now I see the harm that the movement is now causing.
Anyway, you are not going to move me from my current path, nor it seems am I going to move you from yours. I have better things to do than write you lengthy posts that will amount to nothing. I would much rather spend it praying, exercising (mortification of the body), keeping the house and most especially with my precious children.
I hope you have a good life.
@@teribrant1989 Teri, you are very well spoken.
@@loist9022 Thank you
Matt, is there a reasonable hope that you can have Bishop Barron, Brandon Vogt, Tim Gordon, and Taylor Marshall on the show?
I love how you insert the phrase "reasonable hope" in there. Hahaha
Lol, that would be hilarious. I... would love to see such a through-the-looking-glass sight, but I imagine the good Bishop will not be down for that, haha. Oh man though, it'd be fun to be wrong. I love Bishop Barron (he was part of what brought me home to Catholicism!) but I think he may have some Bishop-politics reasons for considering it imprudent to get into it with these guys on camera. But can't stop repeating this: it'd be sooooo fun to be wrong about this and actually see them converse at length in a room together.
@@tryforthesky2224 Yes Barron helped bring me hone too.
I am a big fan of TNT and listen to them pretty regularly and I enjoy both Dr. Marshall and Tim Gordon's dialogue. However, I have to say that although I see and get Tim's more straight-shooter personality (which I love) this episode really brought out a more condescending personality in him. I know this is a sensitive subject in today's society and I get he doesn't care cause he will speak truth and that is necessary. However, there are ways to speak truth with love and humility. Jesus is the headship of all of us, yet when he came to earth to be with us, what did he do?? He came and he served us in such a loving manner, not once did he ever demand Kingship or Headship, but he spoke and taught us with so much love and dignity. Indeed he taught us that as wives we should be submissive to our husbands, which I agree. I really hoped Tim would reflect on how he comes out in his truth. Speaking his truth in a way that will capture people to embrace this teaching in a positive way, which can only come through humility. That is just my thoughts on this episode, especially as a woman, who has struggled with this teaching being brought up in a strong female household. When feminism is all around you and that is also how you were raised, especially today's generation. However, I have seen the fruits of allowing my husband to lead our family and be the authority of our home, as he also treats me with sensitivity, love and humility., as Jesus treats his Church. Great points, just needs to be delivered in a more humble manner. I also can't understand the need to criticize a person's physical attributes when making a point? That's just insensitive and not humble at all. I expected more of Tim and have to admit was disappointed with some of his remarks.
Well said.
He sure showed his true and very UGLY colors here!!! I apologize to all the "fat chicks" he shamed, because they rejected his loser self.
How else was he supposed to say it though? You give no examples of specifically how he could improve. How was he condescending? How was he supposed to deliver his great points in a humbler manner?
He has a "straight shooter personality" as you said. He frequently praised his wife and earnestly stated the beauty of authentic marriage. He gave the ladies no flattery but we don't deserve any. He pointed at specific cultural issues and things we ladies have to improve if we want happy marriages. He poked fun at the situation too which I understand may be offensive to some people but that's not necessarily proof of a condescending personality.
I don't want to mischaracterize you or your statements but it seems to me that your reaction is more based on the negative feelings many of us feel upon hearing such countercultural truths rather than an actual problem with Tim's personality. He can be abrasive to me too at times but I can't think of a better way of delivering his message without compromising his point. He needs to be blunt, it's part of his message. He needs to be hard-hitting regardless of what people think to reach people who have been nuanced to death.
I think it's awesome you are able to listen to what makes you uncomfortable and see the good points in it even though you think the delivery is off. It shows intellectual honesty which I greatly appreciate.
Thank you for sharing â€ïž it's really helped me to grow in my faith â€ïž
Love this, TnT fan, now found this channel, also, mentioned Steph's ability to fall asleep and pray Rosary for coping, would love to hear about her journey.
Do you think you guys could do a version that doesn't denigrate women who "aren't tempting" to you?
Fantastic interview! Loved it.
I really like Matt Fradd approach on explaining first what he doesnât mean so the person âputs her shield down.â
As much as we know we should tell the truth, we also should save as many souls as we can, and lots of times when we just get shouting the truth, people will just ignore us.
This show is helping me not only with my faith, but also with my English. kk
Greetings from Brazil !
Is so good to hear this talk about health trauma. Thank you, from someone who deals with multiple, rare chronic invisible illnesses. It's tough on a person and a family and it's easy to believe that others just can't really get it. Nice that the two of you do.... although it'd be nice if no one had to suffer it..... unfortunate that fall was.
I totally agree with Timothy Gordon concerning feminism and I am a 64 year old female, wife of 40 years, we have 3 children and I am a registered nurse. When I was young, men stood up when my Grandmother or Mother entered the room, they were addressed by Mrs. Jones, they never opened a door and they were protected by their men. Now, in my life time, women have to raise the children, work, clean the house, cook the dinner, not to mention one of the most important jobs is nurture your husband and children. Plus, pump your own gas, put air in tires, pick up everything food all household items and the worse of all, pay higher taxes because in most cases youâre husband already claimed you and the babies. I am so sick of the feminist movement, I knew it was wrong when I was a child in the 60âs. My Grandmother worked as a schoolteacher, but my other Grandmother stayed home and helped raise my brothers and sisters, easing my Moms job, My Dad and Grandfather were always available, we were always taken care of. I practically killed myself trying to work when my kids were at school only to speed home cook a meal and take care of my family. Now I am practically bedridden, I do help with my Grandchildren everyday with my Husband, just so our Daughter doesnât go through what I had to do. Why arenât women protected? We have babies, my Husband sees it, when we take care of our Grandchildren, he sees the difference in our rolls. Now all the men are baby men.I want to add, my Husband worked hard and came home and we raised our children together, he is a great Dad and Husband, but, this stupid world makes it too difficult, especially in California to live off of one income.
Watermermaid1 Beautiful witness, and Iâm sorry for the stress it mustâve been to deal with, working and mothering
New subscriber. I love Timothy Gordon. Thank you for having him on! I follow him and Dr. Taylor. Iâve learned so much, God bless you both...đđđđđđ
Amazing discussion! Thanks so much for this. Tim Gordon is awesome đ
So God gives his choicest graces by giving medically complex children. The Irish say God loves the child so much He kept the best part for Himself. So you will have so many astounding blessings because Abby IS the blessing. She is a font of grace to everyone who loves her.
I know. My daughter, Mave, was born 2 months premature and was blind and had cerebral palsy. She was so funny and beautiful and lived 26 years and many priests received vocation thru her. She had ten words and gave smiles and kisses at Mass and received Jesus. It was so hard, but much harder without her. Itâs so easy to love God when you live with a saint.
Just watched this last night wonderful wonderful so refreshing I am a woman thereâs nothing more attractive than a real masculine man who protects his family and his wife as a woman I think itâs so important that a woman stays home and nurtures her children and raises them to be wonderful man so they are not lost in this society this ugly culture a womanâs role is very important and I agree with Tim Gordon completely please donât stop what you are doing đđđ
Teresa Loy yeah a true masculine man who calls women names like chubs
LOVE this episode!!!
Matt was bracing for a 90% dislike ratio and right now its 99% liked. There seems to be something to this approach of hitting someone with a right hook and then easing them back up.
I think maybe it's the Overton window thing. Just say the truth in the starkest way, that is beyond the point of jarring for some, then as you ease back with details and nuance (without abandoning your hard stance at the point you chose!) you make it more likely that even if they don't adopt the whole position you identified, they'll still be pulled much closer to that position than otherwise. Basically, go in with a big ask (statement), and let your discussion partner be the one to ask to negotiate you down somewhat, or request nuance. But don't START with the nuance then try to 'negotiate' to a harder position. Or at least, I think this may be (consciously or not) the approach Tim is taking, and the role he's playing. He's sort of saying the unsayable (or saying things in unsayable ways) to jolt the overall conversation closer back to sanity in a faster leap than otherwise, as a consequence.
I doubt he'd frame his approach as strategically consequentialist, but even if subconscious, I kinda think God may be providentially using him in this way.
In theory this is correct, but in practice I don't think Timothy accomplished that. The right hook, but not enough logical follow-up to really make the point. For example, I don't actually mind Milo, even in his heavy controversy, because he really delivers in how he explains things. But Timothy fell very short---not enough substance following the hook.
@@snowroseproductions9808 that's fair. The bigger the punch you throw the more back up you ought to have. I like Tim but he is prone to overstating things a bit too much, but still being generally correct (in my opinion)
I think Timothy should follow his own advice and look at the truth in what the feminists say. I am 83 years old. In my motherâs generation women were definitely considered less than and without recourse when mistreated by her husband. If she was beaten it was her fault. Priests advised my aunt to go back to her husband and be more submissive. Maybe no one yelled at my uncle in stores. But there sure was a big celebration when my uncle died. Given that I agree that men are now being put under the bus too. The cause of the problem does affect what the solution should be. I say the cause is a reaction to over kill of male superiority.
M 78 pats. Is that the best you can do???? I will take the worldly responses of Socialism and Feminism to pretending male superiority overkill didnât happen. Just reiterating and/or doubling down on the old tradition that helped create the problem is no solution at all. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. There is no Pope Leo response to the problem. Before you condemn others seems to me you should have at least the hint of something better. I am waiting Matt. What do you say?
Should have Tim on again
This is the scariest comment section I've seen in... years.
This was a fantastic conversation, God Bless both of your work. I'm getting married in September, and the last 20 minutes was awesome.
Exceptional interview. Thank you both.
âDo not accept anything as the truth if it lacks love. And do not accept anything as love which lacks truth.â
Timothy Gordon has no credibility with his demeaning approach. This interview would be so hurtful to any men and women I know who are searching for truth despite their struggles. I appreciated Matt Fradds attempt to recenter this interview, but this was so painful to listen to. What hurtful way to try and evangelize.
Patz13 what a claim. You state Tim âexoneratesâ all those vices. Clearly you didnât watch the video.
Look at are cultural look at our teenagers look at our society some of our culture donât even know if they are a man or a woman God created us male and female to complement each other does fit to gather to make a whole not a half the role of woman itâs so important just as the masculine man Women need to be home with their children so theyâre not wandering the streets getting into drugs or porn we need the men to be masculine and provide for us that we can keep our children in check itâs the hard facts and truth and thatâs why I love Tim Gordon
Look in our society look at our culture look at our teenagers they donât even know if they are male or female The breakdown of the family is a evil I woman should stay home and nurture her children so they are not wandering the streets getting into porn drugs if men stood up and acted like men
Things would be different God created male and female to complement each other to make them whole there has to be a structure we need this now in our society thatâs why I love Tim he steps up and says the truth doesnât dance around things
My favorite interview yet
I think this really ties up with what Jacob Imam talked about in an earlier podcast. Men and women assuming their natural roles within the family system would be greatly facilitated in the case of a community who trades and provides not just for themselves and their own family units individually, but wherein families are interconnected - business transactions are friendships, loans are given out with 0% interest if itâs asked by someone for their basic needs. Community.
I agree with everything Tim Gordon says about feminism. One thing I think he is not considering, however, is that is it not always the woman who wants to work. Often, her husband EXPECTS her to work outside the home, whether she wants to or not. I myself, and plenty of other women, would love to take care of our homes full-time, but our CATHOLIC husbands demand that we earn a salary. It is just expected these days that both husbands and wives will bring in money. The outrageous cost of living (and the cost of college for our children) makes it impossible for many to make it on one income. I truly wish we could. I do agree that this is evil, and society should never have transformed in this way, to the point where two incomes are needed just to survive. We live very modestly, and are not working for luxuries, by the way. I was home with our son until he was a freshman in high school, but had to go back to work at that point for economic reasons. It is draining, however, and there is no way for me to keep up with the home while working full-time. I hate it, but have never been told by my husband that I can quit working.
The role of men and women in most part of the world is still the way Tim Gordon is describing but they are not working out the way God intended the marriage lives to be. Another thing that is true is that in most of those places where the husband is in charge the marriage relationship is solely about the husband controlling the wife. Many of the cultures deliberately hide the fact that the husband/father is the most insecure person in the family. The sons and daughters they raise grow up to follow the same path and abuse continue to follow. There are places where women have to take over, even secretly, to change the fate of their children. How do you change the minds of such men who grew up knowing they'll in charge of their wives and children and can get away with whatever horrific things they do to their wives and children?
I canât wait to read this book. I donât think at all that this book would only apply to men. It sounds like a great book for women to help wake them up. Thanks Tim and Matt.
Timothy Gordon just enhanced you show.
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If we had even half-a-dozen men like Timothy Gordon in every parish throughout the country, the problems would soon end.