Christopher West | The Matt Fradd Show Ep. 3
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- Matt Fradd sits down with Christopher West to discuss the Theology of the Body, the fallout after his Nightline interview, and how to be holy.
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When's the first time you heard about Christopher West and/or the Theology of the body?
I knew about theology of the body before it was called that.
@@junemcintosh1740 Cool!
It was a 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon situation - A friend was giving a witness talk - he was quoting a woman whom he heard giving HER witness talk on a CD. I asked him who it was and he told me her name, gave me the CD to listen to. I listen to it and she doesn't mention CW - she mentions his book the Good News about Sex and Marriage. I googled THAT title and found Christopher and then found TOB for Beginners. Read it in a week in March of 2015. Took TOB1 3 months later and the rest is history. :)
I heard Christopher West talk at World Youth Day Madrid. I was 18, just graduated high school, and had a serious porn habit. Easy to say that his talk was something that completely changed me, it was the first time I ever heard that the Catholic Church cares about our sexuality in a positive way.
People say he sexualizes TOB too much, but honestly in a world where the majority of people are regularly watching porn, we need someone to focus on sexuality in a POSITIVE way. So thank you to Christopher West!
About 20 years ago in the Centerpointe Theater here in Ottawa. Amazing!
Christopher West has changed my life for the better.
This is wonderful. Matt thanks for doing these sit down, in person interviews. The conversation is so rich and benefits greatly from you two being in the same room! Keep it up
Can't tell you how much I appreciate your feedback, Amy. There have been times over the last month that I've wondered if these are even worth doing. Feedback helps.
@@PintsWithAquinas as he said, keep doing what you are doing (please!) We will support support you, patreon or not, I think you are doing very important work in the Church right now, being a *donkey* bringing Christ into town in your own way that is very needed in this dark time. What Christopher shared about the Church going through Calvary and the appropriate way to fight this battle is what I will be meditating on for the foreseeable future. These conversations need to keep happening! Thank you Matt
I just couldn't call you an @$$. Couldnt do it
I am the same age as Mr West and it is refreshing to see Catholics speak so candidly about their love for Christ's saving work and provide such tender insight. There is lot to embody here and I will need to listen perhaps a few times to try and come to terms with all that is revealed. That's good for me, it keeps me humble. Ne Timeas.
I have watched this when it first came out but I wanted to watch it again. What a great duo. This is why I love the Church...
Every single point is excellent!
Matt, you seem to be a righteous and good man. I will pray for you and your family! If everyone was a good Catholic in this world it would be so wonderful and amazing! I love knowing I have found the truth with my blessed religion!
This was a beautiful interview. i watched the entire thing. Christopher is a huge gift to the church and he has so much to share. please have him on again!
Side bar: beautiful name
Worth every minute! Thanks Matt!
Thanks Matt et Christopher. My heart is on fire.
Thank you Matt and Christopher! Thank you for your honesty. May God bless both of your ministries!
I feel so lucky to have discovered Christopher West and Theology of the Body at age 21!
Not is this my type of show, Christopher West is on! I am personally very thankful to him for writing his books, they set me on Fire and on the road to the True the Good and the Beautiful! I feels relieving to hear that there are people out there that have the exact same point of view in the Church. My dream is to cooperate with you guys someday, but let’s see where God leads me. God bless you!
This is one of the most inspiring and thought provoking interviews. Mr West is a wonderful human being, thank you both of you for the work you're doing.
Christopher West's book was recommended to us as part of our marriage prep...and I have been almost obsessed with the topic of the Theology of the Body ever since. It pains me so much seeing so many people I love hurting because they don't realize, don't see, and don't even care to try to see the theology and how it teaches the worth of every person and always has.
So much surprising inspiration. Thanks and God bless and protect you both.
God bless you guys! This was an absolutely wonderful conversation that revealed so much. Blessings on you and your families!
I cried three times during this interview.... 😂 beautiful work Matt. Thanks for having Christopher on the show!
This is such a good conversation. Loved it and will listen to it more often.
I’m Dutch and if I may represent my country, we are hard to offend - unfortunately. We care too little about anything. No offence regarding Dutch Oven.
Wow I really loved this and learned a lot of new things to think about!! God bless you Matt and your guests as well!
Love these Matt! You are doing awesome things, keep it up. Very real conversation here, so much to think about. Thank you!
This was AWESOME!!! Its kind of a retreat it self. Thank God you did this 🔥🙏🔥🙏🔥🙏🔥🙏
This was so great!! Thanks for this interview!! Took some notes while I listened!!
This talk pops up... awesome, awesome ❤
Very cool. Thanks Matt!
St. Vitalis of Gaza 😭 story broke my heart @ 1:20:00. So beautiful!
Love you Fradd, but I really wish you’d allow the man to finish talking before expressing your own thoughts. Nevertheless, I really enjoyed your conversation with him.
You're exactly right, Tijo. I'm still learning how to do this.Thanks for your patience. Will try and do better next interview.
Wow, bless you for taking responsibility. :)
This whole video was sooooo amazing!!♥️
I’m polish but I have no clue what he said in polish 🙈😂 discovering theology of the body transforms my life!
such a wonderful talk... thank you!
Did I miss it or did was the question regarding marital foreplay never receive an answer? Does anyone have a timestamp? They said they would get back to it.
Keep up the work and you'll get that Rubin Report you seek!
Read 'The Purple Book' lol.
Great show. On a very light note, is it just me, or does Christopher West's voice sound like Michael J. Foxx?
Chris Moellering Not high pitch enough
I can hear it!
Where is the Love button? Beautiful show! Keep it up.
Man they did him DIRTY on that dateline piece.
This episode changed my life. 💘💔❤️🩹❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥💖
Great talk. Loved it.
Thank you Matt for this!!
What a great interview!
VERY IMPRESSIVE-Like I was right there next to your wives watching😎Keep up the GOOD WORK✝️🙏💜
27:12, 31:08, 48:00, 51:17, 1:07:52, 1:09:35, 1:12:54, 1:20:00, 1:30:00, 1:32:00, 1:55:00, 1:57:17, 1:59:00, 2:02:43. Questions: 2:14:28
Great interview.
Christopher West reflection on the church crisis is written in CCC675.
Jesus as the Head of the Church, embraced painfully the "Way of the Cross" for a glorious resurrection.
The Church as the Mystical Body of Christ must also embraced painfully it's own "Way of the Cross" for a glorious church to emerge.
Pope Benedict XVI said the church will become a small church devoid of it's richness & treasures, it will become poor but a more pious one. This small humbled but repentant church will rise again and this will be the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart.
Pope Francis is the Bishop Dressed in White as Blessed Anna Maria Taigi prophesied and destined to Consecrate Russia and proclaim the 5th Dogma.
My Jesus mercy.
I’m puertorrican!!! 🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷
keep up the good fight!!
Is that the Flash sitting in front of the pot of plant? :)
Get on podcasts quick this is great
great interview! I seem to be a bird of feather, but there's something I dont get... The african village example seems to work against his point and highlight how some shame about bodily movements aint all that bad. Like just a bit of shame seems good there. Also, the answer to the porn addict, seems like the same answer people would give about priests and sex abuse crisis. They put the blame on repression..
idk if repression is all that bad, along with shame.
like, puritanism is a heresy, but we should still strive for purity. If bowel movements have any theological significance, it seems like a call to humility, which implies a somewhat shameful aspect to it.
You guys talked about what was funny, and how its because its shameful that we find it funny. This is absolutely true! The airport story was hillarious. If it stopped being somewhat shameful, itd stop being funny. Thats my point...sorry for multi-entry comment
Matt, you will love Italy but Naples is kind of dirty! Go to Florence and Assisi and Rome and Venice and Padua.
Read David B. Hart's "the anti theology of the body"
"If you're not your body, you're going to treat your body as if it means nothing." So wrong. That's a brutal non sequitur. Think, people! Talking about Plato(nism), while evidently knowing next to nothing about him (it) is a bad idea.
1:48:10 "The criticism hurt like hell... indication I'm looking for my identity in the wrong place." Sure, that. But also, indication that your head is in fundamentally the wrong place. Criticism should not be a cause of pain, it should be an invitation to dance, to enter into the joyful battle of constructive rational dialogue. That's what so irritates me about CWest: he popularizes precisely that kind of immaturity, turns it into a blinders-on pseudo-gospel, which true believers are incapable of discussing critically and rationally, because that's incompatible with the "revolutionary" this-is-it second-coming messianism of his message and medium/mode of presentation. It's not all about you (your identity, your glory, your message, your popularity, etc.), it's about your commitment to will the good in truth. The issue should never be "you criticized me!"; it should be "so what's the truth?" And that needs to be part of the message, in the popular talks too. "Personalism" shouldn't be about taking everything personally.
Don't know anything about Cwest other than this video. But, as shown, he is someone who is willing to sit down next to someone who does not agree with him and debate/discuss the topic for EIGHT hours. That is self-evidently a commitment "to will the good in truth," to use your words. He never made the issue about others criticizing him.
Matt needs a sidekick
48 min: Angels get to participate in the inner life of the Trinity too, brothers -- that's called the beatific vision, it has nothing to do with procreation as such. Procreation, like marriage, is for this life only, not part of our eternal participation in the life of the Trinity. West's claim that the angels fell from envy over our participation in the life of the Trinity, i.e., over our ability to procreate, is theologically egregious garbage, seems to me. I think, Matt Fradd, you should have been more aggressive in pressing/correcting West on this (and other points). But hey, it's your show, and West is a powerhouse. Maybe best to let him have his way.
Im not a catholic.....yet but im interested. But i see two camps of catholics. Why does it seem like the hard core trads never talk like this, like they are more legalistic? And prude?
My take would be that it is easy for trads to get caught up in the traditions of the church. They focus on that rather than the purpose of the traditions which is a relationship with God. It’s the other extreme of overly charismatic Christians focusing on the warm fuzzy feeling that God can give rather than the God from which they come from. Each have merit but once God is no longer the focus people can become prudish
2000 years where is perfect love where is perfect man, to walk the path of Christ is to walk the path of perfection, the image of the Christ is within you, it is spirit not flesh, and you are right, we are to walk the path of Perfection,
Where the spiritual self Within is transformed into the image of the Christ, and all the things pertaining to the sinful nature, and the things of this world are removed from the heart, and the priests who believe in this not, have failed to walk the path of the Christ, you must believe in becoming perfect, it is the reason why Christ came to bring forth perfect Sons and Daughters of God,
when the devil tempted the Christ, concerning the kingdoms of the world and the Christ rebuked him, and said, worship the Lord your god and serve him only, this temptation is speaking of that the Christ had overcome all flesh, all lust, all Desire of the things of this world,
when a man enters into the narrow Gate he brings with himself nothing only himself, but when he returns, he brings with himself the glory of God,
the kingdom of God is like a man who walks into the water, and wherever he looks all he sees is the water, even when he looks at himself, because the man has become the water, and the water has become the man.
Matt, didi you see this edition of a section of this show? czcams.com/video/rYEK2r29yS4/video.html. It`s awesome! I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. Cheers!
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Why arent there people like you un Spain? We need you. Nobody is teaching here...
Even now?
Maybe I'm completely broken, but I just can not imagine how can you keep that "veil" the guest is talking about between an artist and a naked model of the opposite sex during creation of the art. We are all to a certain degree broken after the original sin, I think artists especially, and it is not possible to see a beautiful naked woman (if you are a man) and not to get some kind degrading her thoughts or feelings. As for the Sistine Chapel, some of the paintings are not acceptable to be in the House of God not to mention that they are totally not necessary. What role, for example, in the Biblical stories play 20 ignudi in narcissistic poses like from contemporary magazines for homosexuals? Thanks God that Buonarroti had enough shame that he at least did not profaned the Holy Mother and painted her fully clothed. Just think about it, why he did so, even though almost everybody else is naked there? The fact is, that the so called Renaissance Church succumbed to the unholy culture of pagan Greece and the result of it is the Sistine Chapel. In fact it bears bad fruits to this day, as many of the so called artist find in it good moral excuse to amaze themselves with the naked bodies of woman or man. Ask yourself a question if you are a father, (and if you are not imagine that you are) would you allow your teenage daughter to be pained naked as a model by bunch of guys telling you that they just creating an art? Pay me a million dollars and I wouldn't do it.
The point is to give ourselves over to Christ so he can redeem our desires and thoughts. In the beginning when God created Adam and Eve, Adam looked at Eve and there was no shame. Christ came to restore the human heart and we are to look at Him, for He is the mirror we are looking into. So yes, I do think it is possible for a man to look at a naked woman and not lust. Because when he looks at her, her beauty points him to God, the one who created her. And that my friend, is what we are so called to do- to look at others with love and not lust.
@@meredithc4735 So why the very holly men, and I mean not ordinary holy, but very very holy, like Joseph of Cupertino for example, kept their contacts with CLOTHED women to a minimum in order to avoid a temptation? Yes, you can look at a beautiful naked woman and rejoice in a holy way, when she is your wife. I don't think it is possible when she is somebody's else wife, present or future.
@@Pawel_Jozwik Some saints were compleatly freed from temptation like Faustina Kowalska as she decribes in her diary. Yeah she was a woman but I dont see why that would be somehow impossible for a man. However this sure seems to be very rare. I sure dont see myself not lusting at all in front of a naked pretty lady but its at least possible I think. Hey we should all at least try to be like that right?
@Erik Olson Maybe I'm completely stupid, but I have no idea what you are talking about. I sense a type of question "Now at the resurrection, of the seven, whose wife will she be?". The beatific vision is seeing God "face to face". What women have to do with it?
@@magikarp2063 My point is, if even the great saints feared the temptation, how we, poor creatures, can withstand the erotic beauty of beautiful naked woman without lustful thoughts? Now, I have bad past in this matter, so maybe I am broken, but I don't imagine that too many artists, and men in general, are better than I. Actually I think the problem lies even deeper, than just a simple erotic arousal. Being exposed naked to a strange man violates the deepest intimacy of a woman, regardless of eroticism. Did you notice that even elderly women, who men don't regard as attractive sexually, guard their intimacy? What do you think is the reason for that?
Matt ... you look like you just rolled out of bed.