Shanks Vs Mihawk: The Reason Why Shanks Is STRONGER Than Mihawk | One Piece Discussion
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This video is my attempt to answer a question I've gotten from many people for years now. What is a "True" Swordsman and WHY I think Shanks is stronger than Mihawk. This is also a sort of response video to BDA Law and one of his latest videos on the same topic. Check it out after you the vid!
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Kaido used a pistol to kill Oden. He is a marksman.
Boro Breath sniper shots. No wonder hes called the strongest creature alive
Nah, he choked Momo. Definitely more a grappler than a marksman.
Nah, he fucked big mom . Definitely more of a drunk then grappler or marksman.
@@clifflittle460 I mean, you're not wrong.
@@clifflittle460 nah he threw himself into the enemy like a cannonball he clearly is a suicide bomber.
There are 8 categories of sword users in One Piece
1. Pure Swordsman
2. True Swordsman
3. False Swordsman
4. Dunno, maybe Swordsman
5. Na, ain't Swordsman
6. Is that even a sword, Swordsman
7. Look Ma, no Swords
8. Is that a sword or are you just excited to see me? Swordsman
Lmao. 🤣
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True
1. Butter Knifesman
If sanji fought with his chef knife could he be a swordsman
I don’t think Oda thinks of this as much as fans do.
You're probably wrong, you ever see the dudes notebooks? They're fucking thic, he probably has stuff just thought out that he has no clue how to actually draw.
DevilFruit369 you are 100% right. Oda skips non strawhat fights 99% of the time. Especially when it involved two big names not in a flashback.
How anyone could possibly think Oda has 50027 different tiers like KoL is laughable tbh
Doesn't matter
buuri winsto you just said the author of the story that has so much still yet to be revealed and story to be written, doesn’t think about the his story as much as a youtuber fan of his work. You don’t know him personally lol
trocify Millions of fans vs one writer. I think fans come up with more theories than the writer has thought up. I said FANS not KOL.
I hope Mihawk never use Soru otherwise he wont be pure swordsman. Lmao
Mihawk vs sword style opponent
-opponent : Mihawk did you just kicked me?
- Mihawk : bro that was accidental don't tell anyone.
He cannot be allowed to live
Didnt Mihawk karate chop Zoro in their first duel?
Isn’t he by default not a pure swordsman than?
@@Cy098 haha. By KOL logic he is not it seems.
Salty fanboys can't handle the fact that Shanks>Mihawk lmaoo
@@rhhfhfsajajaa4294 *No argument*
"N-no you're salty lmaooo"
shanks: "and then i pull out my gun!"
Theplayerofx 😂😂
😂😂 not realy wrong since Roger is seen to use a gun and a sword.
If shanks uses a gun that would be pretty metal. Each bullet is prolly like a tactical Nuke lol.
😆 it'll be Shanks from pirate warriors. Where he pulls out a fuckin shotgun from his jacket. A one-armed terminator.
Thought of South Park lol
I guess Mihawk isn't a pure swordsmen. Mihawk Karate chopped Zoro in their fight. Mihawk confirmed martial artist?
him fighting zoro was not serious. if he got into a mid-high diff fight and doesnt pull out the sword, then the questions would arise
@@root9837 Doesn't matter. Still used a Karate chop. Confirmed martial artist.
I am in agreement but to be fair technically swordsmanship falls under the category if Martial artist
He also used soru i guess since he literally seemed to teleport off his boat
He also used a knife. (Not a sword)
Ok according to KOL Zoro is not a pure swordsman anymore just rewatch the first wano episode, he used his leg to kick a dude away , my man is now a true swordsman
You're misunderstanding the premise. A pure swordsman/woman uses the sword maybe 90% of the time. True swordsman/woman uses the sword at least 75% of the time. Swordsmen/women are 50% sword users. Luffy is an 8% swordsman; only because while young, Luffy practiced with pipes.
@@timmikaatel8363 Ok
@@supa4ys843 LOL nice percentages you got therre
@@jas2r4 straight from his ass this porcentage lol
@@zethw0w just an idea... But I am sure a person who is versed in one piece can construct an argument to support similar percentage scaling.
My man pulling out super sets on super sets in the mental gymnasium to justify/convince himself why Zoro won't become a top tier. lol
Databook confirms Mihawks status: "Mihawk sits at the top of all swordsmen" "He defeated every challenger until no worthy foes were left" "Mihawk is looking forward to the day a sword master will surpass even his rival Red-Haired Shanks"
spitting
To be fair, the databooks also stated that Shanks became a yonko before meeting Luffy, only for Oda to walk back on that. So I'd take the databooks with a grain of salt.
@@jasonmatthews52 Yeah ppl don't understand these books or the vivre cards is mostly just the publishers putting in stuff that's already in the Manga and then some extra stuff from Oda. Sometimes their interpretation is wrong and you get inconsistencies. One of them said Sabo was dead. Death Note has a databook giving L an 8 in intellect and Near a 9 even though in the Manga Near literally said L was smarter than him
@@KurokamiNajimi Mistranslated,It’s actually Knowledge not Intelligence,Also Near is stated to have Deduction equal to L so what your saying isn’t even true.
@@jaredbowen3527 How do you know it’s mistranslated? And that doesn’t make it any less of an inconsistency L was way older than Near so he’d have more knowledge. Also where was it said Near has deduction equal to L?
I believe people just use this as a excuse to have shanks stronger then mihawk
RKO City Fr this wouldn’t even be a debate if someone like shanks were the wss because they wanna downplay Mihawks power and zoros potential
Sebastian Steven he’s the world strongest swordsman and shanks is obviously a swordsman. So Mihawk >shanks
Sebastian I understand if you still believe that shanks is stronger mihawk but understand you have no proof to back that up in fact oda is giving us hints that mihawk is stronger but I have them as equal
Nightmare Luffy used a sword. Therefore, Luffy is a swordsman. *CHECKMATE*
Of course luffy AT THAT TIME WHEN HE BECOME NIGHTMARE VERSION IS INDEED A SWORDSMAN(because shadow of marine swordsman are inside luffy). after that he's not, he's a brawler.
@@SixthGuns Nidai Kitetsu.
Yoga Sadewa no he wasn’t a swordsman pretty sure he destroyed ors with punches more then a sword
He had multiple shadows not just that of a swordsman
and against arlong
Before you all hurt each other, this was a joke post.
Got my popcorn
Fam when are your streams coming back? We are starving
@@henrykasenburg1115 facts bro
I saw your video and it’s awesome I’d love to speak with u about the Mihawk vs Shanks thing
It's crazy how people don't want Zoro to equal Shanks or supass Shanks. But yet they say Luffy is going to surpass Roger.
It shows their true bias. All these videos and debates stem down to being about the potential in Zoro, to downplay both him and Mihawk.
I know. This man has been a Shanks lover for years.
I don't think it's crazy
Donovan Holloway But yet, you don't want Zoro to be of equal to Shanks.
@@thetruth7536 I want to see Mihawk versus Shanks fight so we can put the nail in the coffin.
Stop the headcanon. It's not best, it's not the greatest
The title literally IS " 世界最強の剣士 Sekai Saikyō no Kenshi. " 最強= STRONGEST "
You could replace it with Mightiest, though.
Never forget Judge Top 5
Thank you.
Mohamed Ab shanks isnt a swordsman tho. He uses a sword but is not a swordsman. Most likely every yonko is stronger.
@@i.i368 Yeah i hear he uses a pistol on the side, too.
The odd hammer sometimes, as well.
Imagine a guy who used to duel Mihawk on the reg isn’t a swordsman.
The only reason Roger didn’t cut Oden is because oden blocked the attack
blocked it yes, but got pushed back & took damage. I agree though that it would have cut him otherwise.
Roger wasn't going for that.
You, my friend, are a genius😷
Roger also has control over his attack does King forget that ?
Roger wasn't going for kill. He use 1 hand. Few second after that Roger use both his hands and infuse his sword with haki to clash with Whitebeard.
There's no such thing as true Swordsman stop grasping for straws and giving Shanks abilities that he doesn't have
he's a swordsman and MIHAWK is the WORLDS STRONGEST SWORDSMAN.
I feel like mihawk is better with a sword but shanks is overall stronger than mihawk
KEEP SPITTING
It's like saying Luffy is a better swordsman than Zoro if he used gear fourth with a sword in his hand
We all know oda is going to give shanks something to make him special even better then mihawk
TheStormRaptor no he isn’t. mihawk is not a better swordsman . he is the stronger swordsmanship, and stronger overall .
This is an incredible reach even Oda never went to such lengths to make the distinction. It shouldn’t matter if you live by the blade or if you have other means of fighting. If you have some degree of proficiency w a blade as in you know what you’re doing w it in combat, that should be enough to count you as a swordsman. As for the whole Shanks and Mihawk thing what would be the point in giving Mihawk the title of World’s STRONGEST(it translates literally to strongest and not greatest or best) and never altered that since the beginning of the series? Why make Zoro, Luffy’s first mate’s, goal a fraud? There’s nothing wrong with Shanks being number two, there’s nothing wrong with having characters stronger or on par with shanks outside of the yonko.
Chiji TALK TO THESE NIGGAS BRO!!!!!!!!!!!
@@rimskyrichard8651 PREACH
You speak too much sense, what are you doing in these lands?
There is no place for the likes of you here.
Preach it king
Chiji fax
Shanks is a swordsman, Mihawk is the World's strongest swordsman.
Exactly
This is one of the laziest arguments on Shanks vs Mihawk; "Shanks is just a swordsman, Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman". I'm starting to believe One Piece fans have a problem with literary devices and context.
@@designgazette7177
No you’re just a salty shanks fanboy who’s coping
@@Mohamadtheman Am I debating with a kid? What's up with the "coping" and "fanboy"? Can't you provide any other arguments?
@@designgazette7177
Mihawk has a black blade and keep coping
You have to do so many mental gemantics to prove shanks is stronger while the true answer has always exited Mihawk is the best swordsman so he’s stronger than every other swordsman end of story
I disagree. Zoro wants to face the world strongest swordsman. I don't see him fighting Shanks.
Shanks obviously more than a swordsman. His main thing is his haki
@@Mystra haki does nothing but knock out fodder
Dragonspheres most top tier swordsman use haki 🤦🏾♂️
Shanks fanboys act like Mihawk has shitty haki even though we only recently got confirmed Shanks even has armament and observation haki.Currently Mihawk has more claim for better haki since he has the vivre card as a backup and black blade
is it possible he feels the same as mihawk? doesn’t duel one arm swordsman?
So if Mihawk show’s the ability to use Soru or sky walk will that nullify him as a pure swordsman ?
Honestly wouldn't be surprised if most of the top tiers of One Piece all know this ability, but just rarely use it because there is no need.
Apparently Shiryu having a devil fruit is just a bonus.
Why are we assuming shanks is stronger than mihawk
Danzel Johnson because he’s a yonko? 1 one of 4 strongest pirates in the world
@@RonnieManTV ok?? And its mihawk. The STRONGEST swordsman. Im just saying if they used to be pretty even and its no indication that shanks was stronger why just assumed shanks is the big dog
Zoro also has haki now so is he no longer a pure swordsman? Didn’t you say Roger wasn’t pure cuz he had strong haki? Is Brook not a pure swordsman just cuz he can also use other things? Brook has his own style of sword fighting and always finishes enemies with his blade but nah, he can use music too so not a pure swordsman 😂 what a dumb topic.
So then Mihawk. Is he pure? He probably uses strong haki too and it’s not like he seems to have much technique since he just swings his blade. He never uses any named techniques so he seems to not have much kendo. So is he pure or just true? 😂
Lets see:
Mihawk and Shanks were rivals.
The title strongest swordsman goes to Mihawk.
Mihawk has no crew and sails on a boat through the new world.
Has no wounds or scars.
People should stop hyping Shanks because he has such haki. The facts speak for Mihawk but I see them as equals, while Mihawk is the better swordsman, so stop being so biased.
Ome-armed redhair boi>tryhard swordsman
@@rhhfhfsajajaa4294 Based on what? On hype? That's not an argument.
What facts a fucking title that is all you have. People should stop hyping up mihawk like legit i dont get the hype what has he done besides having the title to deserve it there is way more reason to hype up shanks than mihawk the dude stopped the war you can say what you want about his crew it does not change the fact that it's him who stops the war. I never understood the argument of shanks has a strong overall crew so that makes him weaker than some other people the fact that such a strong crew follows shanks should tell you all you need to know about shanks.
@@ZeroCool007x Why there is way more reasons to hype up Shanks? Show me the reasons and I will show the reasons why Mihawk should be as hyped as Shanks or even more. Shanks stopped the war... with his crew backing him up. He was not there alone, you just missed the whole point.
@@blindphilosopher Mihawks slash couldnt even do damage to Jozu lmaoooo
So if mihawk eats a devil fruit he’s automatically less of a swordsman?
thisgaming duckey Lol notice they don’t say this about Shiryu and notice how they just ignore Fujitora who clearly is a swordsman.
It's like saying that a dentist isn't actually a dentist if they're also know how to do CPR lmao
thisgaming duckey Lol it’s so stupid man. Like at no point in the story is any of these side titles they talked about mention.
I love it when people go and ignore the words of the author because it goes against their headcanon.
Even stephen paul(one piece translator) when someone asked if shanks and fujitora count as “kenshi“ in mihawks title said it’s everyone who used a sword.
the serperation comes from shanks fanboys that refuse to accept oda words in the manga 😂
💩💩
I mean it doesn’t matter cuz I still see mihawk catching L’s from every yonko including shanks
Only ones who can beat mihawk are blackbeard if he gets his third devilfruit maybe big mom and kaido.
everybody thinks big mom is weaker then shanks so mihawk>2 of the 4 GREATEST pirates not strongest
@Yonis Ali did you forget the gura gura no mi?
Yonis Ali hes dangerous against everybody. One devil fruit and swallow everything and has mass range. And his second a devil fruit that can ignore defense and flip an island. Mihawk has haki yes and is most likely one of the best haki users but that means nothing to blackbeard
jeeeezzz, still munching that old bone, are we?
How about you munch my bone? 😏
977 Chapters in One Piece there has never been any mention of a “pure swordsman” Mihawk is just > Shanks
Anime Exactly
Can Zoro be called the strongest swordsman if he is still weaker than Shanks ? No
Then how come Mihawk is the strongest if he is weaker than Shanks !
Zoro’s goal would be meaningless then
KOL fanboys are extreme.. I dare to say that a lot more fans now believe Shanks > Mihawk just because KOL said so.. No critical thinking whatsoever. Typical shepherd/sheeple situation.
I like how he said that shanks relies on haki more and put more haki into his sword yet mihawk is the one with a black blade lol
So many excuses and bs about soru and rayleigh kicking kizaru so he’s not a swordsman or whatever just to downplay mihawk.. jeez
Just because you use a sword, it doesn't mean you're a swordsman.
A swordsman is someone who is literally trained in the art of the sword.
@@davidnewhart2533 dude... Shanks pulls out his sword in any serious situation that we've seen so far. And this has been happening ever since he was still a kid in Roger's crew. Not to mention, his famous duels with Mihawk.. Not to mention, the definition of a swordsman in almost every dictionary. Someone who relies on their sword for combat. There's no way to twist your ways out of this. If Mihawk is not stronger than Shanks 1v1, then Oda's writing ability are inconsistent and illogical. As simple as that.
this downplay of mihawk is insane
He ain't even downplay mihawk at all though💀
Mihawk was downplayed by oda but not having him do anything.
His only decent feat is keeping up with Shanks, YEARS EARLIER. it only took Luffy a little bit to become an emperor. Mihawk vs Shanks now would be a slaughter. Shanks would win, every. Single. Time. Low diff.
I can't wait for the series to end and mihawk never being a major character beyond where he's at. There's my bet.
@@trafalgard.waterlaw7330 damnnn kinda crazy, but you have a point lowkey
The man that got most of his fame through the strongest swordsman and became a yonko with sucking the gorosei is stronger than Mihawk?
We all know Shanks is gonna die without any W in the series anyway soon so what does it even matter?
😂😂😂 man got his arm bitten of by a fish and we out here placing him above the man with the most drip in the story
@@MarshallWTeach yes luffy was stronger than shanks at the beginn of his journey because he one hittet the seeking without losing an arm right? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Typical Mihawk fanboys
@@MarshallWTeach i think he did it to leave a big impression on luffy, since it made him remember roger. That's why he said " i wagered it on the new era".
@@MarshallWTeach hahah true
So it’s Shanks>Mihawk because other characters are shown to use other abilities so we’ll just assume Shanks does too??? I need a Canon example of Shanks using anything other than swordsmanship.
To be fair, shanks used kings Haki on Whitebeards ship, so far shanks kings Haki is the only kings Haki shown to do physical damage (white beards ship)
trevon444 Understandable. If you tell me “Shanks is the strongest conquer haki user” I’ll say, “ok, we have evidence for that claim”. But saying he has other fighting abilities with no actual evidence is a No for me.
naruto uchia I think the point he was making is that shanks is stronger than Mihawk because of his sword skills in addition to his kings Haki skills.
trevon444 I guess. The problem is we never seen a top tier conquer haki user battle a top tier non conquer user.
Go D Ussop anime only
One thing I disagree is counting movement technique against pure swordsman, even in traditional swordsmanship movement techniques are considered essential element of the craft, there is no way to fight effectively using a sword without effective footing and agility. Consider this: Himura Kenshin's Hiten Mitsurugi-ryū, literally the Flying Sword Style which has swift movement combined with the sword to devastating effect, now is Himura Kenshin not a pure swordsman?
Yes I thought that was strange as well I would consider Tashigi a pure swordswoman due to that being her main approach to fighting. Soru is a part of the rokushiki martial art but it when separated from it is basically super fast movement.
Y'all make this way too complicated when it doesn't need to be. Ask yourself one question? If you take the sword away from them, are they severely nerfed? If yes, then they are a pure swordsman. In this case it 100% applies to Zoro. Zoro with three swords stomps Zoro with no swords. Mihawk would be the same, Mihawk with blackblade stomps Mihawk with little dagger.
Think about Katakuri, spear is his main weapon, but you take away the spear he isn't even nerfed, Katakuri is not a pure spearman.
Page One Can Law still use his devil fruit the way he does without the sword😱
Facts
@@ReiStormie yeah soru exists outside of Rokushiki.
Putting shanks above mihawk solely for the title of yonko is ridiculous, mihawk is one dude with no crew, no allies, and no territories, he doesn’t even have a damn ship, just a boat.
I honestly believe any yonko without any of these things is just a really strong pirate, those with titles like strongest have it for a reason
Exactly arguments like one's a Shichibukai and the other is a Yonkou is so redundant and there's no such thing as warlord level
Exactly dude travels in a boat the size of a ordinary tub.yet when even shanks crew sees it they choke on their spit h..h...hawk eyes! His name strikes fear into people's hearts just as much as the yonkos.
@Harry Legge In Mihawk vivre card it said he's wants to fight someone stronger than Shanks sooo
Harry Legge Harry Legge
I’ll address each point separately because you have 3 going on, please pick one to continue with because I’m not in the mood to argue 3 things at once.
1.shanks was stopping a war where everyone was already beat and tired from fighting another yonko crew, you really think marines would wanna take that bet?
2.why is it so unbelievable for Zoro to be stronger than shanks?
3. You say yonko without their crew or territories are still yonko, why haven’t we heard of a yonko without a crew yet? Even gold roger who is widely considered the strongest pirate of all time had a crew.
@Harry Legge let me ask you a question do you even believe that the so called "world strongest slash" he displays at marine ford was even one of his top tier skills? Something he was running around spamming and throwing out casually? Yet he never broke a sweat.he wasn't serious when he fought zoro the first time and he definitely wasn't serious in marine ford.
You're making it too complicated lol how I see it is there is,
*Brawlers* ( Fighters in hand to hand combat like Garp and Luffy)
*Martial artist* ( Sanji Jimbei)
*Swordsmen/woman* ( people who use a sword or blade to fight and base most of their attacks around a sword, Oden Law Zoro)
And then there is people who are in between who are just fighting with multiple weapons and styles like Big Mom.
I think just because Law or Roger do a couple attacks or their devil fruit is used alot during battle doesnt make them any less of a swordsman, if they use a sword as their main weapon with other powers that revolve around the use of a sword makes them a swordman/swordswomen
Another reason why Big Mom isn't a swordswoman is because she doesn't revolve her entire fighting style around a sword.
You might be right but he just wanted some fangirls to understand and not put Mihawk above Shanks or Roger just because they fight with swords.
@@luis15317 I've never seen anybody putting Mihawk over Roger. And it's way more logical that in a 1v1, Mihawk high difs Shanks than the other way around.
Big mom is definitely a swords woman bro same as kizaru or fujitora your haki dictates this for example say there's two big moms one uses a sword the other just her fist what will happen if they collide with will the big mom throwing the punch get cut or break the sword
Well, i think Mihawk has the title Worlds Strongest Swordsman for a reason. And i havent seen much evidence that Shanks has used anything other than swords ever, neither in the flashbacks nor against Mihawk, Akainu and Whitebeard. But to each their own.
shanks honestly mirrors roger. uses a sword but their haki is what fearful. shanks casually walking and using a slight amount of haki was destroying whitebeards ship and knocking out whitebeard pirates. and then he evenly clashed with whitebeard. who everyone considers> mihawk.
@@raidenesp1096, again, clashes in One Piece do not determine who'd win a battle. Marco clashed with Big Mom and Akainu. Is he equal to them? Also, Mihawk said Haki is essential to swordsmanship, yet he's still the best. Stop bending backwards.
@@raidenesp1096 Shanks haki feats only boost Mihawk even higher
I disagree that Tashigi using soru in any way changes her status as a pure swordswoman.
Soru and geppou might be part of rokushiki. But they are movement techniques that could most certainly be incorporated into her blade style.
Saying soru stops her from being a pure swordswoman is like saying sword fighters are the one group of people that don't get to use superspeed.
Many people use super speed. And many people use air walking techniques. I don't think "pure swordsman" is that meaningful of a category.
Between shanks and mihawk I'd say you hit the mark with technique, but also their mission in life. Shanks is likely stronger than Mihawk. Big Mom with Nepoleon could be stronger than Mihawk. But those two are yonko first and foremost. Their goals in life revolves around piracy and their combat styles don't center around any sword based technique.
To beat shanks you just need better haki, but that won't teach you anything about Sword fighting. But for Zoro to beat Mihawk he needs to understand his fighting style as a swordsman.
Best comment on the vid
@@EnvyTraxus why thank you
You can't really say you only need better haki to beat Shanks. We not seen him in any serious fight.
@@Mystra that's a decent point.
@@mizakzee Yeah that's the thing, he could have any number of techniques. Maybe he even use a gun like in the games. Or he don't. Both him and Dragon are end game players so Idk when we'll get to see them in a real fight. Probably not soon.
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Kizaru brought the sword out in order to handle the oncoming onslaught from Rayleigh. Rayleigh was absolutely a 'pure swordsman' regardless of affinity, Haki is just necessary to be able to operate in the new world.
This video triggered me several times.
Lemmar Campbell Oda purposely shows the difference with real swordsman by having their moves name involves sword style. Rayleigh has not been shown to have a sword style move to be confirmed as a pure swordsman .
Jude Albert by that logic Mihawk hasn’t either.
Jude Albert neither has mihawk lol
@@judealbert1590 so mihawk isnt a "pure swordsman" either right? cause he never had any move name
Apparently "the world's strongest slash" isn't a named move. The more you know.
You say that cause you're a shanks fan right?
actually gonna call bs on tashigi.
Sky walk, soru, haki, these are just body abilities. it's just extensions to base haki abilities like walking jumping and sidestepping.
If mihawk later shows to know skywalk, will he no longer be a "pure swordsman"? what if zoro learned it? i don't think he will, but would it make im just a true swordsman?
Think about it. if anything, a method of flight is NEEDED at the highest levels of swordsmanship if they're going to stay competitive with trained logias like admirals.
Mihawk is having a much harder time against akainu without skywalk. 100%
let's vote forcthe one piece where more of these abilities are baseline and standard. let the fights really expand into their full potential. make the fights? that as of late are all skipped, 15% more like Hunter X Hunter fights. Oda could do it.
Theyre not. they are rokushiki
@@gear5corey901 Boi you're a roku stinki
Facts. Soru is just a way to move fast and exists outside of rokushiki, tashigi just calls it soru cause she learned it from the Navy. Anyone who can move at high speed is almost always using soru. Just not many people decide to give a name too "moving really fast!" Outside of Rokushiki users. Lol
Didn't mihawk blink jump when he got ready to fight Zorro? That could have been soru for all we know. Luffy doesn't yell soru Everytime he uses it, he just does it.
@@jasonguerrero5476 you mad because your dumbass is wrong
@@Gnostic88 that doesnt even make sense look up the definition of soru
PRE TIME SKIP TONY TONY CHOPPER IS STRONGEST STRAWHAT
I wouldn't say strongest, but definitely underrated, and I'm disappointed that the character became lot more cutesy post time skip
@@portsyde3466 really think about at point of the story the only person that maybe do something is Luffy and I personally believe that monster point is stronger then gear 3 at that point in time
@@afrodragon29..... lol naw
@@DriedPlank ok let's really think about this Sanji can't beat monster point at that time Zoro can hurt monster point but can't beat it and Luffy could do something with gear 3 but I don't think gear three was strong enough
@@afrodragon29 Alright, Monster point was equal to 3rd gear in terms of strength at that time. But Monster point isn't even on oars level, It's strong but not overpowered strong. Chopper definitely couldn't have beaten Rob Lucci though. I'm not too sure why you think the trio can't beat monster point, did I forget some fight with them vs it? I think chopper was like the fourth strongest Straw hat pre time skip though, even without monster point. Unfortunately, now i think he's the weakest.
Love what you had to say about this. Your analysis of the nuances between what constitutes a "true," "pure," or just plain old swordsman in One Piece was awesome. Good looks Christopher and keep it up
Funny you mention Pirate Warriors 4, if you play as Zoro and beat Law Zoro says "I won't lose to anyone who calls themself a swordsman". Also Mihawk says fighting a yonko like Kaido or Big Mom should be "fun"
Because Mihawk is looking for someone stronger than Shanks to put up a challenge.
That it would be fun doesn't necessarily imply he can win or is on their level. I think he's above Akainu but below the Yonko.
@@Mystra Mihawk says:
"One of the emperors just like him...This should be fun"
"As expected of one of the emperors....no wonder you could rival Red-Hair"
Sounds like he knows how strong Shanks is currently, this isn't the first time Mihawk has been given yonko level hype in One Piece videogames but this is only relevant if you want to use them to scale characters like KOL sort of tried in the video
@@acasualfanboy1862 I never used the games to scale the characters. I'm just discussing for the sake of it, I guess. Anyway, could not would. The word could is more like a guess, not a statement of fact. More like a possibility, he could rival it, he could be weaker, or he could be above. Those lines makes no sense though because how would he know?
How exactly would he know how strong Shanks currently is? They haven't dueled in a long time and when did Mihawk see him fight at all since? I mean it makes no sense. This is the games though, so until these things in the games has a connection in the manga, it's nothing more than a guess/assumption.
Same with Shanks using a gun.
Also, in fairness to KOL. He never said these were factual, I think it was pretty clear he was just speculating for the fun of it. I mean he even laughed after talking about Shanks's gun.
A Casual Fanboy exactly that game is canon and they don’t put facts from their ass like true swordsman or whatever, of course oda
or the studio or whoever is in charge of one piece gives them permission to put in info in such a well known series from Bandia
Luffy wielded a sword in the beginning of want, he's a certified swordsman now.
Chopper uses rumble balls, he's a rumblesman.
Sanji is a pure smoker.
Zoro wielded sogeking during enes lobby, Zoro is a sogekinger.
Baladan kizaru used a lighting sword, he's a swordsman that’s superior to mihawk
Yo you’re my new favorite CZcamsr lol I love the energy you keep me going at work I gotta cop a hoodie
Mihawk is stronger. The whole true swordsman debate is absolute nonsense. In the first ever swordsman fight in one piece, Zoro vs Cabaji. Cabaji used fire, knives a unicycle and Zoro still considered him a swordsman. To Zoro anybody that wields a sword is a swordsman. If we all believed this 'pure' swordsman nonsense then that means that the only 'swordsman' Zoro has fought for nearly 1000 chapters are Mihawk, Kuina and Ryuma.
Not even Kaku would qualify as one according to that bs thinking lol
Yep. Fuji isn't a swordsman according to them I guess. I think Shanks is stronger but that's only because Swordsmanship in One Piece makes absolutely no sense. If you use logic, Mihawk has to be stronger but One Piece isn't always logically written.
H Ozman I agree with the Zoro stuff, but if Mihawk gets hit by a meteor and loses, did he lose to Fujitora as a swordsman?
H Ozman Would Kizaru be a swordsman because he used a light sword against Rayleigh?
Wouldn't Tashigi, Hatchi and the one swordsman on fishman island also count as a pure swordsman.
I disagree with you KOL with how you’re categories these swordsman, here is why?
If an attack is named after a sword then they definitely are swordsman. Whitebeard used one of the 12 supreme swords his bisento just as a weapon but because of his devil fruit and bisento he never focused on neither just his haki. Roger has an attack named as a result of him being a swordsman. Law was trained as a swordsman before he had the ope ope no mi and incorporated both of them together. Shanks is a swordsman, that has always been a weapon of choice so as Rayleigh. All these people have swordsman skills
No. Law was trained as a Martial Artist, Sniper and Swords. Not just swords.
My dude reaching for the stars on this one
@YeahWhatOoh What valid counter argument do you need? If Shanks primarily uses a sword to fight he is a swordsman. Its idiotic to compare characters like Big Mom who has Napoleon Zeus Prometheus and can suck lifespan. Haki is the foundation of top tier swordfighting. Zoro having conquerors now suddenly excludes him from reaching his dream? Shanks is pretty limited in fighting style having a named sword no devil fruit as far as we know unless he shoots haki beams with his kicks. The notion that Shanks told Mihawk "I wont use my haki so its fair" is so idiotic when you consider Mihawks whole character and WB talking about their duels as legendary. There are endless counter arguments which are not necessary because the arguments for Shanks go through so much mental gymnastics its legit idiotic. Sure he could use martial arts but this "fights with a sword uses haki but is not a swordsman" just means Mihawk isnt one either
@YeahWhatOoh There is your counter arguments LOL
@@deathitself6985 we haven't seen shanks fully fight so we can't say that he is a quote on quote swordsman in the same essence as mihawk and zero also he kol referenced the game in which shanks used a gun
@@winstonclarke5568 But its still stupid to speculate that he isnt. As far as canon goes Shanks has used his sword every time he was clashing or ready to engage. Im not saying he doesnt have say a different fighting style from swordsmanship who knows if advanced conquerors is a thing or if he can shoot haki beams but to be real he has one arm so will he juggle a gun and a sword? If he fights primarily with his sword haki as we know it doesnt change it as not being swordsmanship. He is also called a swordmaster and has a named blade
@@winstonclarke5568 I can see Shanks really having a different fighting style. But im also tired of the Mihawk downplay like he is a fraud like Shanks was the only one who got stronger like he is the only one who will have insane haki. If Zoro has conquerors now how will that affect the discussion
Dude keep up these videos!!!!!! You are getting me through the quarantine bro!
Fire video, always enjoy your content!
Kaido's Right Hand Man, King the Wildfire himself could fight well with a sword but said he doesn't consider himself a True Swordsman. He uses a sword to simply fight an opponent for the sake of fighting, not for the sake of entering a Battle between Swordsmen
Still doesn’t matter what he consider himself a sword is a sword you fight with it you’re a swordsman
@@quhe Technically, he’s an all around fighter
@@PKLO9727 bro shanks is a swordsman
@@quhe no he isnt, if he depends on something else more then the sword he isnt a swordsman, we havent seen him fight, but oda confirmed if shanks had been at fishmen with his conquerors haki he would of ended all 100k instead of just 50 like luffy. Shanks depends on haki more then the sword so we can safely call him the strongest haki user.
@@MunchmaQuchi817 bro he’s a swordsman lol that’s already confirmed strongest haki ever I don’t think so
I totally disagree with you, We haven't seen MIHAWK use any powers as of yet.. He just use a basic swing of his sword. No name attacks no use of haki. His swords is always black. So we don't know what his true powers and abilities is at this point. Yes he is a swordsmen but I can guarantee Mihawk got hands to.. For you to say Mihawk is just a pure swordsman and don't have any other other abilities. Is premature and ridiculous on your part
That’s his point, we haven’t SEEN any powers from Mihawk. We can assume Mihawk has ways to fight without his sword but it just hasn’t been proven in the story yet so you just can’t give him that ability when comparing him to others in the verse. You giving Mihawk abilities that haven’t been showcased yet is premature.
@@unknowncharacter6102, he's mostly saying we haven't even seen Mihawk's true sword abilities.
@@unknowncharacter6102 mihawk and dragon did the same move karate chopped in the back of the neck of zoro and young sabo .. So mihawk is now a martial artist like dragon? 😂🤣
Know this has been said several times before but much respect to you King for these continuous uploads.
Damnnnnnnn
king, back at it again with those 🔥videos
It's funny because no what matter the argument, shanks doesnt have the strongest swordsman title despite being a swordsman. It's like nobody wanna give mihawk his props
@george gest I understand your point but who has shanks fought 1 vs 1 in the series.
@george gest of course shanks is powerful, he yonko for a reason. but the fact is shanks an mihawk are rivals they fought time and time again Yet who holds the strongest title,Who is known as the strongest swordsman.
@@javster8 it's a old duel, he became a Yonko after losing his arm. Meaning he wasn't even a Yonko back then. Obviously Shanks has gotten a lot stronger. We'll have to see them fight to be able to gauge this better. Portrayal is also on Shanks side, what was mentioned here before. But also, specifically, BlackBeard didn't even care that Akainu, Sengoku, Mihawk, etc was there. But when Shanks showed up, they backed off. BB even made it clear he wasn't ready to take on Shanks.
@@Mystra ok question before blackbeard got the quake fruit was he yonko lvl
@@javster8 He backed off after he got the quake fruit so your question is irrelevant
The whole coating shanks blade with haki thing, you know why Mihawk’s blade is black right?
Jordan Vance I mean it would be interesting and weird if he wasn’t the one to do it, however Mihawk himself said it’s obtained by imbuing it with haki, it’s black because of armament haki. I don’t think a man Shanks respects as his friend and rival would be a fraud walking around with someone else’s blackened blade
Jordan Vance I respect your theory but for now I wanna go with what the story actually gave us. Maybe not that many black blades exist because it’s that much of a feat to turn the blade black. But I do like the idea of the swords having a will of there own there’s something to be said about that
I have a theory that black blades appear when they shatter and the swordsman rebuilds it purely with his haki, leaving them black forever.
This while likely happen during a fight.
Chiji Shoot MIhawk nor Zoro personality implies they would ever walk around with fraud titles or not well deserved recognition
@Hanad Hassanwe have no Idea where black blades come from...we just know they exist. It's all theory
Just reading the title, and I am wondering hooowwww this man is going to rectify thsi!
good analysis kingu
King, you're just trying to nerf Mihawk. He's the greatest man to use a sword right now who cared to challenge the previous greatest swordsman to a duel. That includes everyone. Even Yonko. He just isn't a Yonko because you doesn't actively have a crew or control territory.
Head canon
@@strawboyhawkins3 actually not headcanon.
shanks has a higher bounty but thats probably owing to his bigger resources and status. Mihawk is confirmed to be more powerful than shanks as of the latest chapter
Incorrect. He is confirmed to have better skill with the sword.
@@desmonddickerson2826 which means hes stronger. no one cares about having higher skill if you dont have the power to back it up.
moria is a big dumb fatass but if he fought east blue zoro, he wins in seconds, despite zoro's higher skills.
Swordsmanship:
Mihawk > Shanks
Haki:
Shanks > Mihawk
@Heyjose mihawk has more hype if hes been stated to be stronger than shanks. thats what the "better sword skills' line menas. hes stronger.
shanks has not got better feats. shanks has everything hes got. mihawk has the feat of defeating shanks in battle.
@@luftwaffles-16 lmfao makes no sense though.Peoole apply haki to body parts and weapons.Mihawk armament and observation haki>shanks
Rocking the goatee, respect ✊🏾
I would say yes to majority of this but Fujitora has a DF and is most definitely a swordsman
You 20 days late. I expect a video with such weak arguments on april 1st smh smh.
True. He just don't want zoro to be yonko level
You'd have to use mental gymnastics to believe a character who ALWAYS uses a sword everytime they're shown fighting or about to fight isn't a swordsman. I agree that big mom isn't a swordsman but when has Shanks been shown to do anything without a sword?
i'm pretty sure shanks has used his Haki more times than he's used a sword.
@@qarcon3247 Name a swordsman post timeskip who doesn't use haki to fight.
@@deadlyshells6830 Shanks uses haki without a sword. Shanks Haki is his primary weapon his swords is his backup
@@qarcon3247 haki is part of swordsmanship nice try tho
It doesn't matter if shanks is a pure swordsman or not at the end he still a swordsman. Some of you guy sayed mihawk title doesn't matter. I disagree with that. Look at it this way mihawk can't fight shanks then become the world strongest over night. Mihawk fought countless swordsmen before shanks. Shanks couldn't beat mihawk but zoro is going to.
Mhmmm, the salt in the comments is gonna be spectacular 🍿
I'm also here for that
Lol nah you just watch the person who's salty.
And some Shanks cock suckers going insane, we can't deny that either lmao
Khan Nah its either KoL cocksuckers or people calling him out on his bs like pulling 53947 different tiers out of his big black ass
Unknown Akainu>Mihawk
Yaaaaaawn.. And you Still haven't answered why Shanks is stronger after 28 minutes of video LMAO
Mans just said no because in game he uses a gun and we haven't seen him use any sword technique and spanned that for the whole vid.mad tangent
i think it was more justifying why its ok to see shanks as stronger despite the title mihawk has. it seems that its just a personal thing to see him as stronger but its ok to see mihawk as stronger too because both sides have valid justifications like the title or the potential that shanks isnt considered a swordsman due to other factors that could be in his style of fighting but nothing is confirmed until something happens like shanks stating mihawk surpassed him or something of the sort.
There is no evidence to state that shanks is stronger than Mihawk, leave it alone. Mihawk states that a one armed Shanks would not be able to compete with him lol. End of discussion just like everyone was over-hyping Kaido until he got body bagged by Oden.
KING! Would Roger's attack not cutting Oden be more evidence of skilled swordsmanship? (being able to cut/not cut what they want)
I can't favor a one armed man who got scarred by a pre time skip bb over the greatest swordsman in the world no. And what does shanks use outside of true swordsmanship outside of conquers haki? There's no evidence he's stronger
Mihawk is waiting for someone to surpass shanks 😂😂
EOS Zoro will be above Shanks
Yes
Hello guys, I know nobody watch this video now but I would like to answer the question asked in this video again and to tell you how strong I think Mihawk is.
- The definition of a swordsman is "someone who fights with a sword", so "the world strongest swordsman" is the man who is more likely to win than anyone in One Piece in a sword fight.
- What is a sword fight ? Well, if you watch Skallagrim videos, you know that in the real world you can use many things in addition to your sword in a duel and still be considered a swordsman : you can use your bare hand (the one that doesn't carry the sword) to grab your opponent's weapon (his weapon and not only his sword, because you learn how to counter any fighting style in swordsmanship) , your feet to kick him, a shield to block his attacks etc... In One Piece, this definition should be applied as well : Zoro himself is very strong without his swords and uses kicks when he's about to be beaten ; Kaku and Fujitora are considered swordsmen both in databooks and the actual manga despite all the skills they have, so you could also consider Big Mom, Shanks and even Roger as swordsmen (also, Roger has fought Rocks with his sword, so you can tell that Roger uses it when he gets serious ; it's not decorative).
-What about haki ? If you use haoushouku haki in addition to your sword(s), are you still considered a swordsman ? Well, as I said before, you can use lots of things in a sword fight that are not swords : if you carry the sword during the fight, then you're a swordsman : when you see Big Mom holding Zeus in one hand, her sword in the other hand, and fighting on top of Prometheus's back in chapter 1008, she's still a swordswoman ; when you see Zoro using conqueror's haki against Monet and Kaido while slicing them, he's still a swordsman ; therefore, when you see Roger and Shanks clashing with Whitebeard (and using their sword in every fight they're in), using conqueror's haki or not, you have to consider them swordsmen.
-Here's my point : Shanks, Big Mom and Rayleigh are all living swordsmen (even Big Mom because she uses her sword each time she gets serious : it's not because she prefers to not use it against fodders like Luffy before Wano that she's not a swordswoman anymore ; for instance, take a look at Zoro : he has defeated enemies without his swords voluntarily, just like in Whiskey Peak, when he defeated Miss Monday). Because those three characters are swordsmen, Mihawk, "the strongest swordsman in the world", is stronger than each one of them. Conclusion : Mihawk is at least yonko level in strength and is stronger than Shanks.
-Also, there's an aspect of the story that I would like to point out : "meito" can be translated as "famous sword" ; that means that no blacksmith can forge a meito, because a sword becomes a meito by being wielded by powerful swordsmen, which is confirmed by the fact that a swordsman can make his sword more powerful by turning it into a black blade ; that would also explain why only Mihawk and Whitebeard are confirmed to wield a "saijo o wazamono" blade : that would be because they are among the strongest individuals in the series.
Just think about it : Oden and Zoro have been able to leave a scar on Kaido's body with Enma, which is so amazing that even Kaido himself respects them for that ; despite these feats, Enma is neither a black blade nor a saijo o wazamono, while Yoru, Mihawk's sword, is both at the same time (and we know Mihawk said that he had the most powerful black blade in the world) ; also, Vista, who is considered as almost as strong as Mihawk by lots of fans, has never been able to turn his blade into a black one despite being older than Mihawk and having more experience than him (both Mihawk and Vista are swordsmen since childhood since Oda drew them with a sword when they were kids) ; with those statements in mind, I would like you to ask a question to yourself : how strong do you have to become to make your sword that famous and powerful ?
OK replace Shanks with Mihawk as captain of the Red Hair Pirates. Will Mihawk be a yonkou? Definitely. Will Shanks suddenly become the World's Strongest? Swordsman? No. WSS title is better than yonkou title as a measure of individual strength unless you are also the WSM or strongest creature.
@Kingoflightning what do you think about someone in the new world with daz bones devil fruit? I feel like this with Haki could be really dangerous
I believe you did a great job explaining the differences in sword users. 10\10
You just love to make things more complicated than they need to be, don't you?
NANI????BDA Law and Brago are the same person?!???!??
Lol
Nah, that was all cap
This debate is one of the most interesting and tough topics i have ever faced
Get at them King!
From one of the OP novels: 'When Shanks' CoC doesn't work, he takes out his sword'
This is literally saying that when Shanks isn't fighting fodder he resorts to his swordsmanship.
You realize you can use CoC for more than fodder. Wait no, of course you don't. No surprise.
@@Mystra what feats does CoC have against high tier opponents?
Link? Wanna reference it
@@vinnie4538 it's from one of the novels. I don't know it was officially released yet
Source?
I never thought that we gonna have a tier of people who is and who is not a "true swordsmen". Plus, Luffy is a high tier brawler, so no he ain't a martial artist.
@Jordan Vance I don't get why so many people just hates the fact that Mihawk could be stronger than shanks. very strange
@Jordan Vance I think in many peoples cases it's to throw shade at Zoro in the end.
Because zoro will be stronger than mihawk at the end and some people don't like him being yonko lvl. Because they probably know that their boy Sanji won't. Personally tho i think the monster trio is gonna be whitebeard, kaido and big mom. three yonkos from the same crew.
@@lostmarimo I think it's the case that there is literally no evidence that Mihawk is yonko level, yet Mihawk/Zoro fans already state it as fact. Same with Shanks though. The both of them have next to no feats but people can't help but dickride their favorite characters to high hell.
@@armoduesgrimlock7677 I just found out that it stated in a vivre card that infact shanks was yonko level when he dueled Mihawk. Then Mihawk stopped when shanks lost his arm. and now waits for someone stronger than shanks.
@@lostmarimo I've read it. It doesn't say anywhere that Shank's was yonko level at the time.
Hey King, really digging your stuff recently and I can't wait for more. I have a couple of questions to your stances, this will add to my stand point. Using your terms, and using Brook as an example, would Brook be a "Pure Swordsman" if he instead of conjured illusions used more powers of the underworld? Such as augmenting his Notch Arrow Strike with the winds of the underworld, would that be a consideration or are you using a direct term as pure as in they only have the skill of the blade in combat?...these go to my point on what I think a swordsman is in One Piece, a proper swordsman uses sword techniques but also uses their blade as extension of themselves, Zoro could do nothing without his swords when luffy met him, the no sword style ties to that perfectly as it is a sword style (like King brought up) and it is literally using the sword as an extension. Again King this video was really great and well thought out, I can't wait to see what's to come.
We gotta stop with the Mihawk isn’t Yonko level Yonko doesn’t mean strength alone it’s about territory strength crew and the threat u pose to the world government Mihawk has only one of those things strength he has no crew no territory except where he lives and up until recently didn’t pose a threat to the world government THATS y he isn’t a Yonko. Stop this Shanks became a Yonko after the battles with Mihawk that’s like saying Mihawk stopped training and lost his title so shanks is stronger Mihawk never had his title taken I believe shanks May even have become a tad bit stronger than Mihawk it’s a possibility even if that’s true it can’t be by much he didn’t wanna even fight shanks when he talked to him in person because he lost his arm and please drop this he didn’t know if he could contend with Whitebeard while shanks walked on his ship ready let’s stop this now if u look at the Oden flashback you’ll see Roger and Whitebeard being placed on a entirely different level from everyone else hell Whitebeard could’ve been the pirate king so of course Mihawk would want to test his power against a guy who could go toe to toe with roger he knows he can contend with shanks he’s fought him a lot and people say shanks could fight big mom or Kaido evenly so why can’t Mihawk we gotta stop downplaying this man the hate is disgusting and cancerous
Corey Henderson very much so
Pixel Smile I don’t agree with that what have we seen from Shanks that makes him stronger we saw him clash with whitebeard scare away a seaking and blick Akainu that’s it he’s more feat-less than Mihawk where is your proof Also Brago even days Shanks is a snitch he stop the war because of clout not power show me fears or u have no argument
It’s like B.D. Law said, should Mihawk lose his title to someone like Big Mom or Law because they beat him with their devil fruit abilities and not ONLY with their strength/abilities/skills with the sword only using the sword? It’s like me boxing KOL for the title of King but I’m rocking loaded gloves and a head guard with some dust to randomly throw in his eyes in each round whenever it’s convenient for me on some Davey games with the ref on my side
Hanad Hassan what talking about? Did you mean to say that to me about this post or my other one? Or did you just mean to say your comment to KoL? Because in this post I didn’t even mention Shanks and as far as the Shanks vs Mihawk debate, its all headcannon and portrayal that give Shanks edge over Mihawk. We never seen either of them go all out, jeez we don’t even know Mihawk’s bounty let alone see him take any fights he had seriously not even a named attacks and all besides that we haven’t even seen at least one real attack from Shanks.
Hanad Hassan Despite Shanks losing an arm and basically gaining fame from fighting Mihawk all those times prior to the arm lose, Mihawk still got the title. Oooh nah nah I’m not comparing Big Mom or Law to Shanks at all, on B.D.A. Law’s channel he got a video on this topic about what is swordsmanship in One Piece and Mihawk vs any person who uses a blade of some kind to fight Mihawk for the title. If Mihawk was to lose because that swordperson has a devil fruit ability using it to defeat him without purely using their skill with a blade should he still his title? Because someone like Big Mom uses a sword from Napoleon to fight, but instead she uses her soul powers sucks all the life force out of Mihawk in order to win and barely used her Napoleon sword at all. I basically said the same thing as him but summed up but in my opinion KoL took it quite literally to an extent saying it should be about Shanks vs Mihawk, not Mihawk vs Big Mom and then tried classifying true swordplay (like Mihawk Zoro) vs mid tier swordplay with other skills/abilities (like a Kaku or Law) vs people who use a sword but they all about using other skills/abilities mostly in fights having no true or any swordplay skills at all
Hanad Hassan I’m not saying for a fact that something like would happen in a fight between them, if it’ll be easier to understand replace Big Mom with any other character that uses a sword but has devil fruit abilities like Fujitora. If Mihawk loses to Fugi because he uses his gravity abilities for 85%-99-% of the fight, instead of using purely swordsmanship skills 100% throughout the fight from start to finish no other skills/devil fruit abilities, should Mihawk in that case lose his title of world strongest. That was the hypothetical question being asked by B.DA. Law in his video
Hanad Hassan agreed we don’t know anything about Mihawk, we barely seen him go all out at the Marineford War. Knowing Oda can be a troll I can even see when Mihawk said “I want to see the distance between me and that man (Whitebeard)” he meant it in a literal sense of gauging the physical distance between their position and Whitebeard’s position as oppose to what everyone thinking Mihawk meant it as a power scaling thing especially sense Oda already established that flying slashes get weaker the further they travel from the point of origin. All this stuff about one being stronger than the other this and that is all headcannon because of biases towards their favorite characters and wanting it to fit their narrative of want they want. We haven’t seen much from a lot of characters pre timeskip and even more so post time skip let alone Shanks and Mihawk, heck we barely see anything out of Zoro and people got him over hyped, and that’s coming from me a Zoro fan
Hanad Hassan trust I’m in agreement with you about the mihawk thing for Zoro’s character arc which has yet to go anywhere since he’s getting no character development let alone a deeper dive into is backstory since out of all the straw hats he has yet to have that happen like we know more about Jimbei and he just joined the crew than we do Zoro lol. Check out B.D.A. Law’s video and compare it to KoL’s vid. B.D.A. Law’s video is more about what the heck is “swordsmanship” in One Piece and posed the hypothetical situation/question of Mihawk losing his title because of a swordperson using devil fruit abilities. Then KoL’s video is more literal in the sense it should be more about the age old Shanks vs Mihawk debate and his take on what “swordsmanship” in One Piece is
Nope. Mihawk is strongest. You're invalidating Zoro goal.
Zoro won’t be on that level and many level behind Luffy like the whole story. Luffy will be competing with Yonko while Zoro will be many tiers below with Mihawk.
Captain Crunch Zoro was relative to luffy until they fought CP9 luffy pulled a head a bit with gear two and three or so most people think pre time skip Zoro defeated kaku who could use soru which is like gear 2nd let’s say u argue luffy in g2 is faster than kaku I’ll give u that but to argue back I’ll bring up thriller bark Zoro reacted to and evaded Kuma who is much faster than g2 luffy so was luffy ever really ahead by leaps and bounds not really pre timeskip but yes in the post time skip because of future sight and gear 4 I haven’t seen anything post time skip from Zoro to even come close to future sight or g4 except (ichidai sanzen dai sekkai this is comparable to Kong Gun) and his attitude he’s annihilated every character In his way with ease and dressrossa showed us he’s willing to take on anybody even if they are portrayed as being stronger then luffy example he went after Doffy when luffy got knocked back but was intercepted by Fuji and still went at Fuji while stuck in his gravity u don’t think Zoro is holding back because he needs a first commander challenge or luffy level challenge to make him go all out don’t hold the fact that he hasn’t had a hard fight against him use that to actually powerscale him correctly remember pre time skip he was nerfed by injury this is a fully healed Zoro with 2 years training U gotta be mistaken if u think he’s way behind
Corey Henderson Zoro wouldn’t be able to hold a candle to a first commander right now if he wanted to, Luffy will keep in progressing much faster than him and he better in every area, and he’s just the first commander. That’s okay, no other first commander besides Ben Beckman scales to their captain either, so he’s in great company with Killer, Sanji, Marco, Katakuri, etc in that regard. Luffy won’t be Yonko level after this arc and Zoro won’t be first commander level, and that’s okay too.
Zoro has always been weaker and always will be, and Jimbe coming in solidified his role as part of a big 3 outside of Luffy who outclasses all of his commanders by a margin, and that’s what captains do.
Luffy will be fighting on par with Yonko, and Zoro will be many steps behind as usual and only increasingly so as the story goes on. Luffy will be fighting with people on Shanks’ level and Zoro’s end goal will be someone way below Luffy like Mihawk.
Captain Crunch Bro I just explained how Zoro could keep up with gear 2 and 3 I acknowledge that he’s weaker than gear four and future sight luffy but I can’t agree he can’t hold a candle to a first commander you have not seen everything he’s trained in since he’s been back he hadn’t even went all out so u don’t know where his current ceiling is i think it’s around first commander level u think it’s not but we both have nothing to go off of the reason our arguments are different is because u use Zoro destroying his new world opponents as a negative I don’t see it like that the reason he’s fucked everybody up is because he’s way stronger than what we think it’s that simple he beat monet pica he even took out Hody Jones he’s not being challenged because he’s closer to luffy than u think we’ll see soon tho onigashima has started and I bet Zoro will shock everyone
@@nexis6694 we only saw one 1st commander fight. Katakuri. Gear 4th Luffy barely managed to get by. Why and how is Zoro on this level?
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The best argument against mihawk being stronger , is that if he were yonkou level plus , they wouldn't have stopped the shichibukai program. The government isn't stupid enough to just make an enemy out of such a guy if they could use him to hunt down pirates.
uhhhhhhhhhh they just made a weapon to replace them tho
@@ziad3041 indeed, and i very much doubt that the collective of those weapons would be yonkou level. If it were then we are likely to see the marines attack big mom and kaidou soon.
We’ll find out how much respect he gets from the WG by who they sent after him. The more and stronger people, the stronger the WG is saying Mihawk is.
yall forget the big difference between the emperors and mihawk is a crew, a really strong crew, and resources- mihawk is still just one guy- so i could see him being equal to an emperor in a duel but in over all power all the emperors beat him because of resources
bobbob a yonkos crew besides first commander is still fodder to the marines so -_-
This idea can be applied to soooooo many other series and I really wish people would do so. There are quite a few series where many characters USE swords or their fists but only a few of them are "swordsmen" and "martial artists." Just because a character swings a sword doesn't make them a swordsman.
I'm going to use a recent example. In the Fate Grand Order Babylonia anime there was a character, King Hassan, who has a sword but barely did anything with it in the show and people got upset. There is a moment in the game where he bests a real swordsman, Gawain a knight of the roundtable. Hassan isn't a better swordsman, he's just an extremely overpowered being capable of blocking sword swings with his cape. It's a lot like Law. Sure he wields a sword but his devil fruit is the thing that matters.
It's like saying Krillin beats Vegeta because Krillin is the strongest martial artist on Earth. Even tho Vegeta isn't a martial artist.
@@pageone682 But Krillin isn't the strongest martial artist on earth.........
I can imagine Oden's self-taught style is the swordsman equivalent of Happy Gilmore, sound effects and everything.
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I think shanks and Mihawk as individuals are equal, only reason shanks is considered a yonko is because of his crew. There’s no proof that shanks or mihawk are stronger than one another.
shanks has way more feats
downplaying Mihawk kinda WEIRD
I never realized that pistol and bullet were two seperate things. wow thanks for that kingoflighting
*cough cough*. Ironically in chapter 245, during the Skypiea Arc, Zoro actually punched the Sky Shark with his fist when he came out the water.
Only if the skills/attacks you use defines what type of swordman you are. For example if Zoro use punches in all his fights then he is not a pure swordman. One attack tho is not enough to categorize him...
AnimeGenerationOP but isn’t that what this video was talking about. Since Rayleigh kicked Kizaru once, he’s not a “True Swordsmen”. And since Shanks shot a gun, he’s not a “true swordsmen”
@@Reddtaro Well we don't know much about Rayleigh but he seems like a guy that is not pure swordman. Zoro punched an insignificant shark, while Rayleigh used a kick for a big opponent like Kizaru. And Shank's shotgun was not cannon. I think that Shanks is the strongest haki user by far in OPverse. We don't know what the strongest king's haki user can do, but I can imagine him uses the force of his king's aura in his fights. A true swordman will use pure showrdmanship. Mihawk for example will use King's haki (if he has) but not as a main weapon. The thing here is if a character uses something as a main weapon then this difine what category he is.
AnimeGenerationOP thats the point we’ve only seen Shanks use a sword. KoL said himself that Haki is a natural thing that everyone has. You can’t really say that Shanks isn’t a “true swordmens” because he uses Conquerors Haki. Even if you say he isn’t a “true swordsmen.” Mihawk’s title is “The Worlds Strongest Swordsmen”... not “The Worlds Strongest TRUE Swordsmen”
This pure/true distinction is headcanon. Oda never said any of this. Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman, plain and simple.
Shut yo bitch ass up 😂Mihawk is a Shichibukai, and Shanks is a Yonko and they know each other, Mihawk did not want to fight at marineford
@@knosi26 Shanks got clapped by a damn fish.🤦♂️🤦♂️😭
I usually don't like power scaling but this is how I see it: At Marineford, Mihawk sends a slash at Whitebeard to see the gap between them... while Shanks clashes with Whitebeard straight up. When Shanks arrives at the war Mihawk leaves immediately. When they meet up Shanks literally asks if Mihawk wants a fight, but Mihawk backs down. Mihawk fans go ahead and tell me what I'm missing here lol because I'm siding with red-hair on this one.
Aaron Blaze you are missing the Oden flash back go read the flash back with Oden you’ll see that roger and Whitebeard are depicted as being in their own level above everyone else they were above people like Kaido and big mom in their primes so of course he doesn’t need to compete or test his light against them they aren’t portrayed like roger another things is he doesn’t need to fight shanks at all because shanks couldn’t take his title back then with two arms Mihawk Doubts he can take it with one another thing Mihawk made Shanks famous not the other way around they are even or Mihawk is stronger
@@nexis6694 But you have no evidence that Shanks didn't get stronger after losing his arm. After all he became a Yonko after losing it. Shanks is the strongest. Also, damn, use punctuation.
@@nexis6694 thanks for replying but I disagree... the Oden flashback took place like 25 years ago, WB got older, weaker and was sick at Marineford so idk what your point is. Next, Shanks might have lost an arm but that is no reason to back down considering he rose to become a YONKO after he lost an arm. I guarantee that he is stronger now with one arm than he was with 2 arms years before he met Luffy and grew to became a Yonko. And Shanks was on the Pirate Kings ship, pretty sure he was pretty famous before dueling with Mihawk lol
Aaron Blaze remember Mihawk isn’t a pirate he does what he wants when he wants he probably had no idea what Whitebeard a strength level was I can do the same thing you’re doin right now watch Mihawk didn’t wanna fight shanks because he had one arm that’s a waste of his time he called him a has been that’s what u r doin by saying him testing his power against white beard is a downplay
Lol you missing obvious context. Like the fact that Whitebeard was a legend among men. That After Shanks asked MIhawk if he came for a fight MIhawk said he had no interest in fighting a one arm hasbin,the fact that he was the one who pulled up on the Yonko and his squad. Finally he told y’all why he left Marinford,he agreed with fight Whitebeard but not Shanks and that’s due to them having a relationship,they are friends.
Shanks is a true swordsman. every single time we have seen Shanks do anything remotely combat related, he pulled out his saber. Mihawk is stronger and to say otherwise is going against Oda. you're arguing against Oda and I am not. simple as that.
Hasan Tariq Yes he is a swordsman.
Hasan Tariq not unless the title of “strongest swordsman” originated with mihawk
Oda has said in a sbs that he does not know how Shanks fights.
@@darrenraphael proof besides you making this up
@@darrenraphael then hes an idiot because we were told about his duel with mihawk. did you think he was punchig mihawk in that fight?
Very well done video.
I think “cutting” and “techniques” are 2 main things that defines a sword man’s fighting style, however a character like shanks or Rayleigh is very close to being a swordsman.
CoA is one main thing swordsman trains for, like the concept of black blade clearly indicates it, if shanks wants to stay away from being a swordsman, he might need something like attacking with “the manifestation of conqueror’s haki” or something, just CoA style isn’t enough.
IMO you should count characters in One Piece as "Swordsmen" when they can use sword techniques without the usage of either Haki or Devil Fruit Powers. As for who is stronger right now, I don't think we can tell that for certain. Neither Mihawk nor Shanks have shown what they're truly capable of. But my head canon tells me that Shanks got to have insane Haki skills because he's still a Yonko with only one arm.
NEETmoreAnime exactly and no devil fruit
Mihawk walks using his legs therefore he's not a pure swordsman
Kol logic 2020
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