Why did God allow polygamy in the Bible?
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"Why did God allow polygamy in the Bible?"
Dr. Peter Gentry answers in Honest Answers | Episode 84
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Why would a man want more than one mother-in-law?
Masochism?
More practice exercising charity..? 😂😂😂
Mixing all of them to have a good one
that is a good one LOL!!!
😂😂
This is off topic but can we give some appreciation to this man's fantastic beard?
It's obviously fake. Made out of velvet
Lev 19:27
right?! that was my very first thought
I didn’t even notice anything different with the beard, was far too busy listening to what he’s saying.
This I also observed. Nice well maintained beard indeed. Im not so impressed with his theology however.
I can understand why Solomon said "everything is meaningless.." :)
Lol
Bro had become bored with his wisdom
@@hoshi8741 and God apparently lol
Hundreds of wives and concubines later he gets that revelation. Lol🤣😂😅
Perspective not Biblical truth for all
Man, that clear-concise-refreshing
Thank Lord for colaboring w/Southern Seminary in adding understanding to me 🙇🏾♂️
In my opinion when people say why did god 'allow' polygamy, theyre really asking: "why isnt polygamy a sin?"
It technically is. Marriage is one man and one women. If you have more than one wife or husband. U r not loyal to that ONE PERSON. Which is adultery...which is a sin
Kayla Battle What scripture did you get your definition of adultery from?
@@kayla_battle that is not true. Even for sake of argument i can agree with you but still ask "why is it technical and not actual"? God was not technical when he gave commandments
You need to be more clear. What you mean to ask is, why isn’t 1 man, multiple wives a sin? Because it is a sin with 1 woman and multiple men.
First. How you know it’s not a sin. 1 Timothy. Where it describes the expectations of pope and deacon. These are the men who must have no more than a single wife. If It was was a sin, That would be obvious. He wouldn’t have needed to say “he can’t be a murderer”. He went out of his way to say that because, for others, it wasn’t a sin.
The why? Well. One can only guess God’s reasons, but I’ve found God to always have good reasons for what he says/demands. If I were to guess, with limited effort, I can already think of situations when polygamy might not only be allowed, it might be necessary. Say when half the men of child birthing age, if you can call it that, are dead from war.
Polygamy isn't sin. If it were, God would never have called prophets who were polygamists and allowed their priesthood authority to continue.
This is how I look at it: God created us with the ability to procreate. Is the act of sex wrong in itself? Of course not. It's the boundaries that God has set for it. As long as it is within the bonds of marriage, that's acceptable. Once outside of it, it is no longer acceptable, and it's in violation of God's laws.
God gave the law and institution of marriage, and he sets the rules and boundaries. If it were ever wrong in his eyes for a man to marry more than one woman, he would have made it to clear that it was immoral to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the men and prophets through the ages who did so.
Why do people say, "Why did GOD 'allow' it?" when MAN does strange things? Why do people blame God for their misdeeds? God allowed man freedom of choice. He gave them the ability to know right from wrong and to choose either one knowing that there would be consequences depending on what they choose. It is as simple as that.
When did god “allow” freedom of choice? Humans took freedom when god wouldn’t allow it. The people you are referring to would rather be ignorant and still in the “garden”.
Because Moses knows more than the guy making this video. If it was a sin, he wouldn't have done it. It's very simple.
@@jdwest34 that’s what he said, there going to be consequences for what you choose to do.
@@jdwest34 that is actually a good philosophic conundrum you present. Can light exist without darkness? Is it possible for good to exist without evil? Was SOMEONE predestined to choose evil to prove that freedom of choice and good and evil exist? Perhaps this is why God had a plan of Salvation even before he laid the foundation of existence and creation.
@@thomasstevens9551 when God is all powerful and all loving how can we not simply have good /goodness why create chaos when we're all his children ,can't we live in peace???
Just appreciate Professor G’s background and analysis on this very difficult question.
Why does God say to David (and I'm paraphrasing) "if you had asked me for more wives I would have given them to you"?
And no response, cause they know God is fine with polygyny
@@halleluyahtorahdefenders8469 He didnt say he would have given him more wives simultaneously
Excellent point. Notice how that verse was left out? The reason that David had simultaneous wives at all is because G-d gave him so many, according to the verses. Then He told David He would have given him yet more. This speaker's opinions and personal preferences are one thing, but ignoring the verses in order to support them is disingenuous.
You're right. And it is not in Old Testament only. In Matthew 25 we can read the Parable of the Ten Virgins. And that describes the multiple marriage. In Jewish Torah there are rules concerning levirate marriage which often leads to polygyny. The truth is that the monogamy does not come from Jerusalem or Israel, but from Rome and Grece. The monogamy of the Roman Empire was the cause of two explanatory notes in the writings of Josephus describing how the polygamous marriages of Herod the Great were permitted under Jewish custom.
Apostle Paul didn't treat women and man the same concerning the marriage, he wrote in Romans 7
"1 Or do you not know, brothers (for I am speaking to ones knowing the Law), that the Law lords-over the person for as much time as he lives? 2 For the married woman has been bound by the Law to the living husband; but if the husband dies, she has been released from the law of the husband. 3 So then, while the husband is living, she will be called an adulteress if she comes to a different husband. But if the husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress, having come to a different husband."
Why didn't Paul say the same about husband? (if man and woman are equal in marriage)?! He gives as the example a wife as according to the Law (verse 1) a man can marry as many wifes in his life as he wants, but woman can have only one living husband.
So apostle Paul saw marriage in a Jewish way which of course allowed the polygyny. Dictation of monogamy has pagan roots. Paul as prophet will write
"1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will depart from the faith, paying-attention-to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons 2 by means of the hypocrisy of liars having been seared as to their own conscience- 3 forbidding to marry (...)"
And it has began from forbidding the polygyny.
"Hell and Destruction are never full..therefore the eyes of man are never satisfied."-Proverbs 27:20
God “allows” humans to do what ever they want because they have free will. Just because man does it doesn’t mean God sanctions it. God lays out his will for man it’s up to man to be obedient.
John The Revelator Thanks, man. I thought people like you did not exist in the comments section, lol.
God sanctions everything that occurs. He is very tolerant, he has no creed.
God actually gave multiple wives to king David. He even said he would have given him more if he asked. It was not a question of God "allowing " it. God actively supported it.
2 Samuel 12:8.
No he does not
Marriage!! What a beautiful elucidation on The Original purpose, Desire and path of The Almighty God. How I wish our generation will see and hear this. Thank You sir.
No western male should ever consider marrying. What are the benefits? There's only disadvantages that makes a man into a submissive simp to be fleeced by the family court system.
Polygomy: what a beautiful elucidation on the purpose and path of god, representing his unconditional, unbiased love and freedom of choice.
@@stef3603 a path that leads to jealousy, lies, distrust, and in a truly primordial context.... murder and tribal war. Love is not defined by sex according to leftists. Polygamy has nothing to do with love. It's not selfless in any capacity.
@stef3603 yes freedom of choice.. to be in a Monogamous marraige. HalleluYAH ❤️🔥
@@RandommomfromOntario “If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be her's that was hated: then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: but he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.”
Deuteronomy 21:15-17 KJV
God allows you to marry multiple wives . after reading this go back and read all the new testament. There is only 1 instance where the Bible clearly states A man can only marry 1 Wife .
“A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;”
1 Timothy 3:2 KJV
A Bishop must be the husband of one wife . What would be the need for God to clarify that, if everyone only has 1 wife . That statement alone shows you there are instances where someone with more than 1 wife is present .
I have been struggling with this topic while reading the Old Testament. This is probably best explanation I have heard on this subject.
The reason you struggled, is that the Holy Spirit was telling you, through the Word of God, that there is nothing wrong with polygyny, but you didn't want to accept that, and so you found a teacher that will tickle your itching ears and will justify the unrighteous jealousy that you allow yourself to have.
@@danieldeluca4936
Are you a Mormon?
@@eew8060 Nope! I had a chance to talk to a couple of Mormon missionaries in my home recently. I mentioned to them that the Book of Mormon specifically condemns polygamy in five places, including the Book of Jacob, chapter 2. What about you? Are you Mormon?
@@danieldeluca4936
Nope. Not a Mormon. I also don't believe the bible promotes polygamy at all. One man one woman relationships only
@@eew8060 Well the only book that tells you that polygamy is prohibited, is the Book of Mormon, so you would fit in real well with the mainline Mormon church. The Bible has no condemnation of non-excessive polygyny whatsoever!
Why any man would want the headache of having more than one wife is beyond me. One is one more than I care to deal with.
Misagynists shouldn't even take one wife.
Polygamy wasn’t the answer for a poor marriage I don’t believe. If you really had good success with number 1 you might get another if you could afford it and wanted lots of kids. I guess.
@@beam5037 Vasectomies are awsome and I got the 2nd marriage right.
I’m guessing Women are much better wives when they aren’t the only ones. I once had a rooster who had only one hen and she treated him like dirt. The other rooster I had , had many hens and they all treated him well, some better than others.
Beam same in real life with women.
Nice lighting dude.. your director of photography should have a bonus this year :) Nice topic too
Very well explained. Thank you for this!
Great clarification, sir! Best I've seen and heard!
Superbly done. I will save this for my own and others future reference. Never heard this better explained. Simple and concise. Praise the Lord
Proverbs 3:5 trust in the Lord with thine whole heart and lean not to thine own understanding
and the rest of that verse is "in all thy ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct thy path."
Ye, and amen.
Amen
@@marriageofthelambassemblie1693 Great ministry. Polygyny is not against Torah
Jesus trumps em all and he rejected polygamy.
This teacher addresses such important topics. These are things so many people stumble over or make them feel the Bible is contradictory.
That was some crazy mental gymnastics to keep polygamy from being allowed.
Absolutely love that you tackle these tough questions
Thank you for these short videos which are really helpful.
Very well delivered, and easy to understand. Thank
I just found this channel and this is great!!!!
Thank you for your words man! This was needed
Brain: Go to sleep
CZcams: Santa explains Bible verses.
Brain: Yes
Yo I read ur comment as Satan
@@okitasougo8265 😂
@@okitasougo8265 me too and I came to the comments to see what people had to say about that lol
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Finally, someone who can provide clear answers and explanations regarding the Bible without indulging in lengthy rhetoric. He gets straight to the point, using relevant biblical passages that are actually applicable.
Exactly
He didn’t answer the question though. We can see that God was not pleased with polygamy but, why did he allow it? Did David end up in hell because he had more than one wife which under the law of Moses would be considered adultery? That’s the real question. Did these men who had more than one wife commit adultery, ongoing sin and end up in hell?
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Always enjoy your videos. Thank you.
It's still hard to understand since it was God himself who gave Saul's wives to David (2 Sam. 12:8). By so doing, isn't God tacitly approving polygamy by blessing (?) David with many?
Rob Bailey, To populate the earth & continue family lines.
Monogamous relationships came later. With you bro.
Population was sufficient by this time, surely.
It was viewed as a blessing by the people of that time, but look at all the trouble that came from David’s many wives. God allows us to do and have things that are not always good for us sometimes, probably in the hopes that we learn and come eventually to see what matters most in the end. Just my take.
yeah often things that God permits to happen are things in which people describe as God doing*. As Brodi mentioned above, these may be things that aren't ideal and sometimes serve to sculpt a person. Solomon may have been allowed (by God) to have these wives specifically to place him under the temptation of multiplying wives. Such temptations are allowed to test ones faith - this is heavily echoed in the new testament.
I once listened to a Muslim and a Christian have a light discussion back and forth.
Both were trying to show why the other why their faith was incorrect.
Finally, the Muslim says something aling the lines of:
"You may be right...I may be wrong...but at least I do what my book says.
Why dont Christians do what their book says? Why should anyone listen to a hypocrite? Even atheists know more about what the Bible says then most Christians!
Your book says dont eat pork, and Christians eat pork. It says observe Passover, and Christians observe Easter. It says rest on Sabbath, and Christians font do it."
Muslims know they can take 4 wives and multiply children.
The Bible places no restrictions on believers. Christians can take multiple wives and multiply children, yet they listen to what their Pastor or denomination teaches, rather than what the Bible teaches. Its their fault for trusting in man, rather than trusting in God.
One can say there is no need to keep Gods command to be fruitful and multiply...yet is the righteous on earth increasing...or decreasing? I see much sin and wickedness today.
May so called believers be cursed until they wake up and repent...namely those teaching falsehood.
_I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live..._
_Dueteronomy __30:19_
I could listen to this guy explain scripture all day!
Please don’t!
Read well please because he allows polygamy actually this video is not saying the truth.
But when David took another man's wife God said " if you wanted another wife I would have given it to you". He didn't say you have enough wives u don't need any more. But I do agree God's plan was 1 wife.
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Do you think that God changed this commandment about polygamy in the old testament which shows that God allowed polygamy :Exo 21:10 NHEB-YHWH If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marital rights. Because he did with some commandments in the new testament.
Here they are:
Actually I believe that this was written in Chapter John, Jesus says he is changing some laws in the bible. And he mentioned because the people in the old testament were very evil he allowed them to do what they want and he says now it is different.
One of the examples is God allowing divorce when a man gives certain amount of money to the woman who married her whether from fornication, rape, marriage ceremony. So, the God in the old Testament allowed divorce.
Also, there were three ways that people got married in the old Testament. One was sex (becoming one flesh), second rape (google sex in marriage and divorce bible verses in the old testament), third was marriage ceremony. Anyone who committed any of them was considered married according to God's commandments in the old testament. In the new testament when God was speaking to the women (at the water) who was having sex with many men, God reveals that she is not married (highlight that God considered her not married it is not a word mentioned in the bible but the story concludes that) and she is sinning (fornication). (which is opposite from the old testament as I mentioned). So, As you see The Bible changed some of the commandment from the old testament to the new testament.
Lastly, God himself says he came to finish (perfect) the testimony and fulfill the prophecies. (Perfecting his biblical book, changing some of his commandment as you see from what is mentioned above).
There is nothing wrong with God changing his laws in Bible as he is fulfilling the law (which means making it perfect, and that means to perfect something you can change it. Which is what Jesus did). This is something most Christians miss.
@@linaawadallaiskander7594 Sounds like you're teaching Mormonism rather than Christianity.
Deuteronomy 21:15-23
King James Version
15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:
16 Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn:
17 But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.
@@linaawadallaiskander7594
You just spilled out a bunch of Cognitive dissonance and blasphemy! Wow!
thank you, Dr Gentry, for making these short videos.
You have to pity “pastors” and “scholars” who hold doctrines of men above God’s commandments.
The question was never answered. The video explained what happened with multiple wives but not why God allowed it which was the question.
Tim Fevens Exactly!
Tim Fevens it could be because God allows us freely do what we want, he gives us free will, it’s up to us to do what is righteous
Tom Fevens...God has different plan's/goals from ours...
So different, like from the Earth to the sky, are His plan's from
ours.
He wish to have many Son's in His Kingdom... And we wish cars, house's, nice clothings, gadgets and a lott of food for our belly :)) :)) :)) yes... and not to forget: many shoes and handbags.
There is just a single woman in the whole Bible who giveth birth to 20 kids... and her's husband was a special, and blessed Man!
There was many people heaving many kids from different wifes, and is interesting why is not writting about Solomon's kid's... We do know about his 1000 woman's (700+300) and none of them was righteouss ...
There was Jerubaal with 70 + 1 Son's from many wifes, and all of them die... except one...
(A wise one).
But, the questions is, did those kids reach the Kingdom of Heaven, after they die?
*This is God's finall goal!*
We marry, we have kids and after a while, maybe 20 years or even earlier, they are *"leaving the nest"* and what we invest in them is the all we can do, in this 20 years!
The questions is:
What are our goals about/for them..?
Do we try to transform them in Specialists, in Doctors, Rocket Scientists, Lawyers, Pilot's ... Or do we try to bring them in God's Kingdom ?!?
Are our plans His plan's???
and what happened with multiple wives was exactly why God said one man one women, it was a warning they missed the point like you missed the point in the video.
@@dariutoma2464 No, that is not the question. The question is, why do you randomly sprinkle apostrophes throughout so many of your plurals?
Not to mention that also when an old testament man had more than one wife, God opened the womb of the wife that was not loved as much as the other wife or wives.
God closed the womb of the wife that was loved more.
God speaks to this very thing in His law in Deuteronomy 21:15 and forbids a man from giving a double portion inheritance to his favored wife instead of to the actual firstborn son of an unfavored wife. I think the principle and spirit of the law here is outlawing a man from playing favorites, and how inheritance rights are granted is the example used to communicate that principle.
Man you did a really good job with explaining that and you actually answered the question
But he never actually went into any of texts. He merely mentioned them in passing without diving into what they mean in their contexts.
He did a really good job telling you what the Bible doesn't say. He tickled your ears.
Read your Bible, believe the words on the page, don't believe this false teacher.
With so many men on here believing in Polygamy you'd think there would be no single women left out here 🤷🏾♀️🤣
@@RandommomfromOntario single women are that way due to widowhood. We don’t want another lying man. We’ve had one.
@@lesliewinchester8225 That is outrageous! I know lots of women who never married and who want or have wanted a husband. I know of two right now who bemoan the fact that their younger brother is getting married, and they are both still looking for their "Prince Charming". My older sister was in her late 30s when she finally married, and she told me of how she cried herself to sleep every night. A worship pastor at my former church spoke of a lady who finally found a husband when she was 81 years old!
I really appreciate Dr. Gentry's style and cadence of explaining very hard answers to very hard questions. I have profited well from his answers in understanding what polygamy was in the Bible and what it was not.
I personally think he avoided texts that contradict his hypothesis.
read my comment sir
@@toughbiblepassages9082 where in the Bible does it say that polygamy is okay. Can you make a CZcams video citing this. Thanks
Especially since I was Mormon for 60 years. 🤭Truly, thanks,
@@sabrinamartino777 may i ask u this question : in which case divorce in allowed according to new testament ?
The video didn’t answer the question?
It just give a story of what happens.
Yes, it did. The man said it was not God's will for men to have more than one wife. He spoke of all the trouble polygamy causes. Read the New Testament and quit trying to justify your sinful lust for more than one woman.
Pat Melton , wow 😮 never see that coming ; are you ok sis . I’m a happily married man in love with only one woman.....my wife.
The title says why God allowed polygamy .
@Didier 619 Apologies for her. She assumed you were being a hypocrite obviously without knowing you first. Experience shows that people don’t usually do that unless there is a bit of self righteousness somewhere in their motives. This is an unfortunate thing for anyone trying to spread the good news. But I would just like to point out however that the person in the video actually did give an answer. God has many times told people that polygamy is a sin and has spoken against it many times as well. See Deuteronomy 17:17 for one example. But even though he commanded people not to do it they still disobeyed him. Even people who served him and were saved disobeyed him. But as with all sins God does allow them. Because it may surprise you that He uses all things to work together for His good even evil things. So yes God did allow it for a time. But mind you it was still a sin and all sins must and will be paid for. Fortunately for the people who trusted in him back then, and even now they didn’t have to pay for their sins themselves. Because God sent his son to die in our place so that His righteousness could be given to us and we wouldn’t have to pay an eternal price of death. And more importantly so we can spend forever with him in perfect happiness and love. The same is true for anyone who repents of their old ways, and asks Him to be Lord over their lives. I pray that you would see the truth and I tell you these things with good will and love. Peace be with you, and run to God. I promise it will be worth your while. He wants to love you. And he wants to make you perfect.
@@GazpachoMacho , thanks for your reply . God bless you Brother.
@@DidierBan And it is a presumptive question. "Does God allow polygamy in the bible?" would be a better worded question.
No where in scripture does it say that it is a sin to have more than one wife.
@@JRRodriguez-nu7po says who? 12 tribes came from 4 of Jacobs wives. Stop trying to add to the Torah. The Torah gives man the proper instructions on how to treat their wives if they choose to have more than one.
adultery has always been understood as sexual encounters outside of marraige (Mat. 19 Jesus affirms God's design as one woman and one man) and adultery is sin. In fact, adultery can even be commited in the heart w/ the eyes (Mat. 5).
@@chrishall227 adultury is having sex with another's spouce. How isnit adultury if you are married to the women?
@@chrishall227 Adultery has NOT always been defined as sex outside of marriage. It was understood in the old testament as specify the woman who breaks the wedlock (sleeping with a man other than her husband). In fact that's what the Hebrew word for "adultery" transliterates to. It wasn't defined by the man being exclusively with one woman.
Wow, thank you so much for this thorough and clear explanation. This answered many of my questions. ❤️
read my comment miss
It’s really concerning when Church leaders will slander King David’s name, grouping David with Solomon, claiming that he committed the same sin as Solomon, when God’s Word explicitly says that David did not sin like Solomon (2 Kings)
EXCELLENT video my friend. Keep up the fantastic work you do. Shout it from the mountain tops.
Now ask him to perfectly explain this video
Deuteronomy 21:15-2 kjv
15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:
16 Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn:
17 But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.
@@70ad84 I like this one even more.
Deuteronomy 21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
These comments are wise but ultimately unhelpful. The Old Testament goes beyond merely describing incidents of polygamy. The law of Moses (dictated by Jehovah!) outlines rules for polygamy and slave wives. This can't just be ignored.
No and it's not a contradiction either. What did the jews in the Bible do? Moses wanted them to walk up the mountain and see God for themselves but they refused. They just wanted Moses to do it for them. They damned themselves to a lesser law. So the rules you're talking about are just administrative rules for living in their community in the lower state they chose for themselves. And you can see how it turned out for them. I dont condemn them myself as most Christians are now doing exactly as they did at that time. Lazy, won't know God, choose a lower and easier way.
if solomon rejected the law as you say, why God gave him the autorithy to build the holy temple ??
*Great answer* to an important question! *Thank you for helping me see the distinction* between the divine moral and corrupt human morals in the old testament!
read my comment sir
Woah 😳😳😳 what??
please, explain to me how your god is moral.
copy pasted rant: ah God never punishes polygamy. but if you wear mix fabrics, or call someone bald, you deeeead. if you or someone in your town accidentally does something wrong (to Bible God) you deeeeead.
Many bible characters went to 'red light districts' no punishment- Judges 19 a Levite priest's female slave get assaulted by some randoms in a Benjamite city. so he kills her and Israel goes to civil war with Bible Gods backing to genocide the Benjamites.
-Genesis 38: Joshua sleeps with his daughter thinking shes a prostitue.
-Moses married a pagan priestess.
-Many Israeli married Canaanite which is forbidden.
- if you have birth defects you are unclean and desecrate Bible Gods sanctuary- Leviticus 21:17
- Onan bro Er couldn't have enough babies so God kills him.
- Numbers 16 if you complain to Moses about so many of your own people died by God's hand you die.
no punishment for polygamy though. God sounds like an ancient middle eastern dad with bad parenting skills.
Spiderman no way home< Well if it is a king, he can have whatever he wish for.
Polgamy is not unlawful but it's not mandatory.
Thank you for the video and for you taking the time to explain this to people these things need to be explained many are always miss understanding what is written we as believers know it hard but you must try and get help from someone who can talk it through with you and explain it in more detail
That actually makes a lot of sense. Thank you for the enlightenment.
WoW! Thank you for your explanation, sir. It is very helpful xxx
Interesting.. But when David took another man's wife God said " if you wanted another wife I would have given it to you". He didn't say you have enough wives u don't need any more. But I do agree God's plan was 1 wife.
True. Additionally God himself claims to have had two wives symbolically, Judah and Israel. It's just a cultural issue for us but it's not immoral, what's immoral is the inhumane treatment of people.
Especially since there is a law for having multiple wives and how to conduct yourself.
@@kingladelldonaldson3728 Yes sir. God's culture is life giving, FAMILY FIRST. Any evil man can sleep around, it's on every corner, but the man of God will commit, provide and protect all that God has given him.
There would be only one tribe in Israel if polygamy wasn't approved and applied.
@@andybluewater2291 FFW a bit》...but isn't there only 1 Bride of Christ?
Not only do the wives fight and lead their husband astray, but having multiple wives to set yourself up as king is blasphemy.
God is king and man's efforts to aggrandize himself usurpes God's holy station.
What if the wifes love each other
@@jackwilliams8509 thats gay and not right
This was mind blowing. Just let's us know today that we are not expected to be perfect bc they were nowhere near perfect. Just Keep grinding ppl🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
It's almost like the god will just make rules based on what is common at the time.
Can a man be unmoral and still have great faith? I always assumed the two were correlated, how can you trust God in all things but not trust his words to be moral?
...you are correct, I mean the Old Testament saints were not "moral" is a weird thing to say ...and incorrect but I guess he can say whatever he wants...
Because our faith is not baced on our morals, or the obeying of morals.
No ! but he can still have faith but it won't be in the God of the Bible !.
@Janaina Ribeiro faith is a belief. Morals are how you act. He explained it well with the story of king Solomon. He basically said one thing, probably truly believed what he said, but then did something different anyway. Had the faith but not the morals. Today people always want to either 1. Trust in others 2. Trust in themselves. Rarely will they ever Trust in God and that's all God has ever really asked of all of us.
It’s not about morals
Our obedience to God and his word is what matters
Gods law regulates polygyny, but never condemns or prohibits it - Exodus 21:10
Jesus did not come to do away with the law or prophets...until heaven and earth pass. Look outside our window, heaven and earth are still here
Eating pork is a sin, not keeping Sabbath or Feast days like Passover are sins, homosexuality, not returning lost property...
Polygamy means one man serving many women financially, emotionally and physically. That's why God allows it.
Facts
Serving is exactly right
NOT IN THIS DISPENSATION
Thank you 😊 this was a very good explanation and easy to grasp
Excellent teaching and Thank you!
Interesting. Although, concerning his interpretation of Nathan's illustration for David, couldn't one also argue that there is no condemnation mentioned for having many wives? Additionally, in 2 Samuel 12:8, God seems to have blessed David with many wives by saying "I gave you your master’s house, and your master’s wives into your bosom, and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah." It is evident in the Genesis narrative that God did not prescribe monogamy, but would you really say it is a sin?
Excellent point. And if those wives were, in fact, a "gift from God" doesn't that pretty much refute the argument that multiple wives were "allowed" but not "God's plan"? Would God gift a man something that He didn't believe was good for him? Again, I'm not arguing for polygamy (for many other reasons), but I find the biblical arguments extremely weak.
Thank you Dr Gentry! “They were examples of Faith not examples of morality”...that explains Samson and Jepthah being named in the famous Hebrews Chapter 11 Hall of Faith chapter...I have always been puzzled by this? How could Samson (his lifestyle) and Jepthah (sacrificing his daughter) be in this faith chapter.
You should know the answer to that. Because we live under grace. The truth is man is totally depraved, however when Yeshua shed his blood of Calvary those sins were remitted. Anybody since been saved for more than a year should know that you see the junk there teaching in the seminaries.
Jepthath didn't "sacrifice" his daughter.
Headline Newsrant Judges 11: 29 - 40
@@rickperez1336 I know where it's located. Read it again...use varying versions. Jepthah's daughter wasn't burned as an offering. Her life wasn't lamented...her virginity was.
Well first of all it doesn't exactly say he did kill her although it appears to me that he did. My opinion about this if he did it he did it on his own accord. I do not see any conversation between him and Yahweh about what should be done. Yahweh doesn't take human sacrifices I think there's something not exactly right with this story. In other words I'm saying I don't know the answer to that particular verse to be honest. I'll say it one more time though I think he opened his big mouth I don't see Yahweh asking for that. The only time that that happened before was when Abraham took Isaac and you don't notice that God stopped him and he sent a ram that they didn't use for the sacrifice. Something doesn't seem right with this story.
You are giving me Soo much enlightenment
I like these deep dives n interpretation... great channel
I was always told this and it is nice to hear others are going forward with the same message. You have to read the bible in totality and read it in context. Thank you.
But .... When David took another man's wife , got her pregnant and then had her husband set up to die in battle etc . God told David " if you wanted another wife all you had to do was ask .I would have gladly given you one " hmmmm ..gladly .. would have given him another . Ok I remembered it a little differently . Here it is ;I gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your keeping, and gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if that had been too little, I also would have given you much more
@@boracay12 The sword never left David's house from that day onward. God NEVER winks at sin. Sure people sin, but they never get away with it. "Be sure your sins will find you out." David's private life was plagued. One son killed the other. One of his sons tried to kill David. the bloodshed was so bad that God would not allow David to build the temple.
@@patmelton43 all true . But my point was that David had several wife's and hundreds of " concubines" yet God said through his prophet he would have gladly giving him another wife if he had asked .
Instead of taking someone wife . That's the argument for having more than one wife .
That wasn't Gods intention . But he allowed it .
@@boracay12 My point is that God loves women just as much as he loves men and there is no favoritism in God. God NEVER sanctions marriage of man to more than one woman. That would make him vile - and God is perfect. He loves women just as much as men so He would not make women property. And you are misquoting God. God said, "I would have given you such and such. He never mentions "wives" in that statement.
@@patmelton43 god allowed the Israelites to have more than one wife . He never punished anyone for having 2 .
It's not his original intent for men to have 2 wife's but he allowed it . Fact .
Good word. Perfect indeed. Only the faithful understands this and I love it. It's truth and you can't do nothing against it but only for it.
Read well please because he allows polygamy actually this video is not saying the truth.
But when David took another man's wife God said " if you wanted another wife I would have given it to you". He didn't say you have enough wives u don't need any more. But I do agree God's plan was 1 wife.
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Do you think that God changed this commandment about polygamy in the old testament which shows that God allowed polygamy :Exo 21:10 NHEB-YHWH If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marital rights. Because he did with some commandments in the new testament.
Here they are:
Actually I believe that this was written in Chapter John, Jesus says he is changing some laws in the bible. And he mentioned because the people in the old testament were very evil he allowed them to do what they want and he says now it is different.
One of the examples is God allowing divorce when a man gives certain amount of money to the woman who married her whether from fornication, rape, marriage ceremony. So, the God in the old Testament allowed divorce.
Also, there were three ways that people got married in the old Testament. One was sex (becoming one flesh), second rape (google sex in marriage and divorce bible verses in the old testament), third was marriage ceremony. Anyone who committed any of them was considered married according to God's commandments in the old testament. In the new testament when God was speaking to the women (at the water) who was having sex with many men, God reveals that she is not married (highlight that God considered her not married it is not a word mentioned in the bible but the story concludes that) and she is sinning (fornication). (which is opposite from the old testament as I mentioned). So, As you see The Bible changed some of the commandment from the old testament to the new testament.
Lastly, God himself says he came to finish (perfect) the testimony and fulfill the prophecies. (Perfecting his biblical book, changing some of his commandment as you see from what is mentioned above).
There is nothing wrong with God changing his laws in Bible as he is fulfilling the law (which means making it perfect, and that means to perfect something you can change it. Which is what Jesus did). This is something most Christians miss.
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Sounds like you’ve made up and your mind and you don’t care what anyone else says or does, or even what the Bible says (because he never quoted it directly in this video).
Thanks professor Gentry! God bless you and your ministry! 🤲🙏
This guy makes a good point, also I've always loved that parable told to David. It's really sad
God made Adam and Eve. Not Adam, Eve, Stacy, and Jane.
YEEESSSSSS
Adam, eve, stacy,Jane, jack and jill, ....., , , , ,,
To be fair and accurate, God creates everyone.
@@rkirkpatrick01 yea but the garden account was not an orgy. The more as times goes on the more I see how sick and carnal we're becoming. Something so simple as Adam and Eve gets twisted into polygamy.
@@patpittz6709 will of course there is no "orgy" in the Bible.
Adam and Eve is a description, of events, not a prescription for others. For that we look at the legislation within God's word.
Exo 21:10
If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights.
If it were a case of adultery, well, the penalty for that was death. It's only a carnal mind that twists God's command into an orgy.
Literally check 3 times if I like this video so I don't lose it. Can listen to him all day coz he explain so well.
Ask him to explain this!!
Deuteronomy 21:15-23 kjv
15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:
16 Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn:
17 But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.
But he never quoted scripture
He actually misquoted scripture if you care to look it up
@@nateria7082 He said at 5:14 that David was not a moral man, when 2 Kings 15:5 explicitly says he was a moral man (not JUST a man of faith). He says the sin of 2 Samuel 12 was about general polygamy when it says explicitly that it was actually about taking an already married woman and murdering Uriah. He says Jacob’s two wives were taught in the Bible to be a bad thing, when Ruth 4:11 says that they “together” were a blessing on Jacob’s house.
Perhaps you don’t care, but I find it convenient he avoided every text that contradicted his hypothesis and glossed all too quickly over the ones he referenced.
Also, every situation with polygamy ends BADLY! Solomon abandoned God, David committed adulitery and murder and his family had serious conflict after, Leah and Rachel were fighting each other, Penniah bullied Hannah..
Every situation you looked into to confirm your presumption that it in fact does
@@stef3603 what benefits are there to polygamy other than wanting to fulfill lustful desires?
David committed adultery and that was his sin not having multiple wives for God Himself gave David his multiple wives. If it weren’t allowed why would God give David Saul’s wives?
@@massimmortal6782 scripture never said that David married Saul’s wives. 2 Samuel 12:8 said that God gave him the wives to care for- because they were widows, not to have sexual relations.
The Old Testament allows polygamy but doesn’t encourage it. Great men such as Abraham, Israel, Judah, Gideon, Samson, David, and Solomon had multiple wives, though the Old Testament records many problems that resulted. However, the law actually made it mandatory in one circumstance: if a married man died without leaving a male heir, his brother was required to marry his widow regardless of whether he already had a wife.
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There's many problems with monogamy too. Biblical law regulated having more than one wife so it's not a sin and polygamy is lawful. This teacher is lying.
Bible is non sense
If the levitate marriage law required was required even if it results in polygamy, (as you say, and as I agree with) then that means as a matter of principle, that polygamy cannot be wrong.
It's a ll crap written and edited over millenniums
I will get married in the eyes of God, I refuse to get married in the eyes of the State.
In the age of Grace, all is allowed, just not recommended. Proceed with caution.
Marriage License causes alot of problems. Its a union of man, woman, and state...a polygamous relationship.
To disolve it, the man and woman have to go before the government and get permission...
Why do you say that? I'm just trying to gain perspective.
Because I would do both, live by the laws of the land, but also being married in the eyes of God because that is what he wants.
The State will see it differently when it comes to who gets the house when it all goes sideways.
@@markwilding3828 Hopefully a marriage would be built to last. Unfortunately, evil could seep its way into someone life too easy
Love is the most important thing between a marriage. And the Level of Love both have for one another. Love never fails. Not even a certification of marriage will be able to break a marriages foundation built on Devoted Love.
Instead of rushing into something, it's important for both involved to Build a Strong Love Bond as well as Strong Convictions that will hinder anything looking to disrupt that Bond of Love.
And if one does not have desire ,Devotion, and Discipline for Love, the best thing would be to MOVE ON. For the sake of both your Hearts.
"Moral man" vs "man of faith", I think that is well explained. This applies to slavery too I think.
Are you referring to the Bible or history of the last few hundred years? The Bible says a person who kidnaps a person and one who buys them shall be put to death. Slavery is kidnapping.
@@tyronegooch5251 well no, the bible condones indentured servitude which people wrongly call slavery, it's close, but not the same, you see the bible permits people to sell their children (their own property) for example to somebody for service, marriage, etc, and to be honest, people put their own morality on God and claim it's wrong to sell something you created that belongs to you. Unfortunately those same people either refuse to see, or genuinely haven't noticed, that it's LITERALLY the same thing Christ did for us, HE BOUGHT US, he PAID for us, as it says, we were ALL BOUGHT FOR A PRICE, and it wasn't gold or silver, but something MUCH more precious, the Holy blood of Jesus Christ the only begotten son of God almighty. That is why in my opinion paul always refers to himself as a slave for Christ, there were rules around how people were to treat their indentured servants well, very specific ones, and how servants were to serve well, how wonderful it is that our MASTER is the Father, Son, and Holy spirit, who bought and paid for us with the blood of Christ, how much more so are we than to serve well? and how much better shall we be treated by our faithful master? May God bless you and keep you :)
@@tyronegooch5251 The video says that polygamy is not moral, and that examples of polygamy such as Abraham should not be considered moral examples. I'm saying slavery in the Bible is the same way. The Bible says slavery is not moral, and that examples of slavery such as Abraham should not be considered moral examples.
@@stevesmith7843 Where does the Bible permit somebody to sell their children to someone else? I can't think of the place.
@@DownwardsRising also as i stated previously the slavery in the bible from what i can tell is more "indentured servitude", when it comes to the real deal super oppressive what we would call "slavery" God opposes it and demands his people be set free ( the egyptians and the way they were treating the hebrews). there were laws governing treatment of slaves/indentured servants, and also laws governing their service. God bless.
I've come to the conclusion that monogamy was a principle or standard, but not a law. There is no mention of punitive action by God for polygamy, whereas for actual laws being broken, there was.
I find the morality vs faith argument interesting and likely valid.
Good talk!
How can a man cleave to multiple wives?
And how can he go about his current marriage while courting another? Doesn’t that require emotional and physical attraction? Adultery of the heart and even body?
@@Yohanyothan Marriage at that time was far more an economic or political union than anything to do with desire, love, or any other kind of attraction. Especially for wealthy or royal men. No courting involved. Many could legitimately argue that the direction to "cleave" to your wife has far more to do with providing security, food, clothing, housing, etc., than any emotional attachment and, if one has the means, can easily be done individually with multiple wives. Again, ancient Hebrew (and other) marriages of wealthy and royal men had so little to do with emotion and desire one could safely say those had nothing to do with it. FYI, I'm not a polygamy advocate for many reasons, but I do find most of the arguments against it based on biblical principles and examples extremely weak. For example, saying it's not good because of stories that it didn't end well is an argument that could also be applied to singular marriage. It often doesn't go well either.
@@pmgddm I'd lean more to the thought that it was cultural. There was no political or economic benefit to Moses have multiple wives, yet he did. Even if you go with the thought that in order to propagate the nation of Israel, polygamy was allowed, it seemed to be something that God allowed, though not his original purpose. Pre-Abraham biblical titans, Adam and Noah seemed to stick with the single wife principle but after that, it was game on, climaxing with the 700 wife/300 concubine insanity that was Solomon. If Abraham, Moses and David were polygamist, there's no justification for it to be a sin.
@@Yohanyothan Both sets of your questions deal with marriage from an emotional aspect. This is not relevant to law or even principle; for the sake of this argument.
This message is so awesome!
Love this videos! Thank you! Maybe for 2020, have them translated or done by Spanish speaking professors, please!
WOW! I really enjoyed that teaching!!
carwen40 - Me too, but unfortunately it’s completely wrong.
2:43
2:50
3:28 - David and Nathan
3:56 - What 2 Samuel 12 is saying
5:22 - “examples of Faith” vs “examples of morality”
5:52 - the problems of polygamy
Very satisfying explanation thank you so much
Does it mean polygamy is a sin ?? Cause I have never seen a scripture that says Polygamy is a sin.
Ramoroka Ntane Thats because there is no such scripture. God made rules in the Old Testament for how to be a good polygamist. God would not make rules allowing sin. Modern thinking on this simply doesn’t want to accept what the Bible actually says
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First time in my life I had someone speaks the truth about this subject......Thanks Lewis
Polygamy is a sin -- it is called adultery.
@@patmelton43
"Pat Melton • 17 hours ago
Polygamy is a sin -- it is called adultery."
Which scripture is that?
@@rkirkpatrick01 I have never seen a scripture supporting polygamy. God performed the first marriage and the first man Adam and the first woman Eve. God did not make Adam and five Eves. But of course you have every right to follow Satan into hell. Maybe your bible is the Koran!!
But did not God tell David if you had asked me for another woman, I would have given it to you?
God also gave Saul's WIVES to David even tho he said that a king should NOT multiply wives that is the real question that should be answered when it comes to is polygamy right or not
@@johnssmith4005 I believe under this new covenant with Jesus Christ it is a sin.
He says the Bible is showing us that polygamy is not “ideal” and and may cause chaos. But truth be told, in that same breathe we have to say neither was monogamy “ideal” because it also contains it’s sets of complications and “chaos”.
Isn't the intervention from Nathan referring to David taking Uriah's wife (not to mention having him killed)? I'm not sure it has anything to do with saying polygamy is inherently bad.
Exactly
Tola Ir no. David committed adultery and murder. Having more wives was not the issue at all. Read the story.
@@aloto1240 God, through Nathan. didn't tell him it was a bad thing that he had many wives. The whole story of the rich man taking his poor neighbor's lamb seems to focus clearly on the theft, as it were, of Uriah's wife and the cruelty of that particular sinful behavior.
Look, I don't know for certain here, of course. It's a matter of interpretation I suppose. I'm not claiming to even know if it (polygamy) is supposed to be inherently good or bad. But I'm just not seeing a specific condemnation of polygamy here.
Bingo. The importance of 1) Having your own personal relationship with Christ, and 2) Being a Berean, and searching the scriptures for yourself under the Spirit is being illustrated here. Question your leaders, and check with Christ on what they say. Please. You eternal destiny rests on this...
The fact that God gave all of David's wives to a SINGLE man to lay with openly (in the sight of the sun) shows that God does NOT hate polygamy. If he did, God would have directed David to build and maintain a home for all of those women to live in or send them home to their own families or given them to single men. The fact that he not only gave them to another man, but allowed him to lay with them, clearly shows that God does NOT hate polygamy.
@SouthernSeminary:2 Samuel 12:8. How isn't this an example where God "allowed" polygamy in the Bible.
Woooow I've never ever heard it explained like this. Amen great job sir
Thank you Sir. I have learnt a lot. Question is, what is the difference between morality and faith? What influence does faith have on morality?
Acts 17.30 New Living Translation
“God overlooked people’s ignorance about these things in earlier times, but now he commands everyone everywhere to repent of their sins and turn to him.
@Philip Buckley, right on point
If you say “God overlooked people’s ignorance, you are saying God made a mistake? Impossible......
This is not a correct interpretation of the text. The "overlooking" was only mercy in not applying immediate judgement, it is not overlooking the eternal consequences of the sin.
@@paulwells4372 Overlooking does not mean he missed a spot. It means he tolerated it. In a way He "lowered His standards" for humanity. But with Jesus this is no longer possible. From then on, God only holds us to the highest possible standard.
As an example: Abortion.
We Christians are against abortion. It is after all the termination of a human lifeform. This is undeniable. But in East Europe you can see what banning abortion has lead to. People will still do it. And because they still did it, it was done illegally, and because it was done illegally, many safety and sanitary measures were not taken care of and so many women ...
1) were infected with disease, e.g. hepatites
2) had their wombs destroyed and could never again have babies
3) even died because of the termination.
So the argument is, even if abortion is forbidden, women will still do it.
We Christians will hold society to, what we consider Gods standard, that means the highest morale, to preserve the unborn childs life.
Where as ... other people.... will tolerate that women want to abort their pregnancy and will at least make it save and regulate it.
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The reason solomon went bad was the FOREIGN wives that were pagan.
But that's a condemnation of a sort of spiritual miscegenation, as it were. Not a condemnation of polygamy.
@@MrTheGuitarNerd It was no allowed, Giving Eve to Adam and creating the covenant of marriage was already established.
Wish i could have been there to see it too
That is an interesting opinion and translation you have there.
Great explanation!
Very unsatisfying answer to the question... 5:26 - OT saints "never held up as moral examples, but only as examples of faith"? Seems a false distinction to me. How exactly does a hero of faith (Heb 11) live an IMmoral life? That seems a false distinction between "faith" and "acts of faith", or between faith and obedience (morals, ethics), both of which the OT saints abound in and for which are held up as examples in the NT. Obedience is faith. The saints were faith heroes in Heb 11 because of what they DID.
Better question than "Why did God allow" (which invites ambiguity) would be "Is polygamy sinful according to the Bible?" There's no law against it in either "Testament". Virtually every OT saint explicitly practiced it (and those that aren't explicitly shown to do so probably did so. As a rule, women are only mentioned in the Bible if they're relevant to the narrative. Thus there may have been more wives than are explicitly identified). God never condemned anyone for it. And God entered into covenant - it would appear - with a bunch of guys that were almost all, to a man, polygamists. If it was egregious to God (i.e. if God considered it adultery, a violation of the 7th commandment AND a capital offense), one has to wonder at his covenant making with Abraham, Jacob, David, not to mention his use of others (Gideon, Solomon). I personally think Moses had multiple wives. Zipporah was Midianite (of Abraham through Keturah; of the line of Shem). The wife he was accused of taking (by Miriam and Aaron) was Cushite (i.e. of Ham's line). That would make two wives at least (in addition to any not mentioned in the narrative). I would also speculate that the multiple different names for his father in law (Jethro, Reuel, Hobab) did not all refer to the same individual.
Seems a hard argument to make (against polygamy). But for most Christians, one generally believes something is wrong if one personally think it's wrong, irrespective of what the Bible says about it. In this case, the evidence against polygamy is clearly lacking, but that doesn't keep most Christians from believing it's the equivalent of adultery.
Yeah, it's hard to abstract faith from faithfulness. If these men were in fact faithless to God it seems unlikely they would also be heroes of the faith.
I would also add, as a preemptive strike, that arguments in favor of polygamy do not constitute the next phase of sexual deviancy by a backsliding nation, as it frequently bemoaned by conservative press (e.g. polyamory). This cannot be equated to free, no strings attached, non-paternalistic sexual revolution. What we see in the Bible is paternalistic to the hilt, was geared toward nation/tribe building, involved childbearing as an imperative, and marital responsibility. This was not "I'm free to roam and hookup with whomever (or whatever) I want" as is the cultural bent today.
@@derekthompson5731 You're incredibly articulate, and have the vocabulary of a well-spoken lawyer. Interesting.
You ask an important question... I think the deification of the biblical saints is at the root of many crisis' of faith. They had weaknesses and sin just like us, they were human, not gods. Shouldn't we be glad that God chooses to demonstrate that we can be right in his eyes with all our flaws?
Im still trying figure out how to get a camel through the eye of a needle. Now it doesn't say what size the needle has to be.
For some reason I think their was no love 😔 it was just lust,good luck to people if they can love more than one person and have multiple lovers,I can't even imagine me in such position, I'd be so so hurt💔
Me too
Multiple lovers, is not what God allows, for this would allow women to have more than one husband, but as we see in Romans 7:1-3, this is adultery! You cannot imagine having a wonderful husband who loves you and cherishes you, and also loves his other wife. This is because you assume that if he loves another woman, somehow he no longer loves you. That is a faulty assumption and resulted in the unnecessary breakup of several marriages.
@@danieldeluca4936 back to total derangement. God intended one man and one wife United in one flesh Genesis 2:24. You can’t read the first two chapters of the Bible and accept God concept of marriage as he intended your deranged.
@@lesliewinchester8225 God only intended one wife for SOME men, while for others, he intended no wife whatsoever, and still others, he intended them to have MORE than one wife. There is nothing in Gen 2:24 that states how many wives a man cna have. It only states that when he marries his first wife, he must leave his parents and be united with his wife. Jesus used this to explain that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Obviously, the man who has left his parents and become united to his wife, cannot leave his parents when he marries his second wife, whether his first wife is still living or not!
So now you think you can diagnose my state of mind, as if you were a psychologist who has had a session with me. You are unhinged. You cannot even spell "you're" properly.
@@danieldeluca4936 Genesis 2:24one man one wife United in flesh
Your denial of that meaning anything other than what it says is ridiculous. Show me the Bible quote that says God or Jesus insisted men deviate ever from Genesis. Jesus said to even think about someone other than you wife is adultery. He never said wives because you only get one according to three places in the Bible. If you can’t recognize sin from people in the Bible your brain dead. You can’t even acknowledge men have the one appendage to please only one woman. It is absolutely deranged that any man would think otherwise.
Several years ago, I wrote an extensive article entitled "Monogamy vs. Polygamy in the Bible" which I posted of the Booksie website. Feel free to review it and use any points made therein for reference in future videos.
read my comment sir
@@husseinamaz6842 What comment? Where?
@@CaptainBars As a muslim i must correct something about things you said sir !!!
1) Hagar was Abraham's wife not servant or concubine look at Genesis 16:3 "KJ21
And Sarai, Abram’s wife, took Hagar her maid, the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.".
2) Jacob has 4 wives not 2 : Rachel, Bilhah, Zilpah, Leah . read Genesis 30:4 And she gave him Bilhah her handmaid for a wife; and Jacob went in unto her.5 And Bilhah conceived and bore Jacob a son.6 And Rachel said, “God hath judged me, and hath also heard my voice and hath given me a son.” Therefore she called his name Dan [that is, Judging]. 7 And Bilhah, Rachel’s maid, conceived again and bore Jacob a second son. 8 And Rachel said, “With great wrestlings have I wrestled with my sister, and I have prevailed.” And she called his name Naphtali [that is, My wrestling]. 9 When Leah saw that she had ceased bearing, she took Zilpah her maid and gave her to Jacob for a wife; 10 and Zilpah, Leah’s maid, bore Jacob a son. 11 And Leah said, “A troop cometh.” And she called his name Gad [that is, A troop or company]. 12 And Zilpah, Leah’s maid, bore Jacob a second son.
+ Moses had 3 wives btw and he wasn't a king btw
@@husseinamaz6842 Thank for taking the time to review the article I posted. I’m always welcoming of comments that can help me improve my writings and correct any errors or oversights that I may have inadvertently made.
Regarding your comments about “concubines” of Abraham and Jacob though, I had mentioned in my article, 7th paragraph of the “Abraham” chapter to be precise, that the words “concubine” and “wife” are sometimes interchangeable in the Bible. The two examples I used there are there Abraham’s final wife, Keturah, is referred to as a concubine in 1 Chronicles 1:32, and that Bilhah is referred to as a wife in Genesis 30:4 but is called a concubine in Genesis 35:22.
I grant you however that Hagar was never referred as a concubine in the Bible but was only ever referred to as a wife. So, I think your complaint is that I referred to her as a “wife/concubine” in paragraph #2 of the same chapter when perhaps I just should have just used the term “wife” instead. In my defense, though, the reason I said “wife/concubine” was not to downtrodden her good name, but rather because the manner in which she was given to Abraham in the first place was exactly the same manner in which Bilhah was given to Jacob.
As for Moses, you said that he had 3 wives, but I see no evidence for that in the Bible - perchance, did you make a typo and intend to type the digit “2" instead? Assuming you did, scholars are uncertain as to whether his Ethiopian wife mentioned in Number 12:1 was actually a second wife at all or if this was a derogatory-type of reference to his first and only wife Zipporah. And, even if this was a second wife, there’s no way to know if his first wife hadn’t already passed away at this point before he married again. For it’s not polygamy if a man remarries after the first wife dies.
Hope that settles the issues for you. Feel free to ask any follow-up questions if you need further clarification on something or to point out any other errors that you think should be corrected. May peace be with you.
@@CaptainBars Hi again . thank you too for this sharing . do you have FB acount so we can talk more ?
Yes, this guy is a listenable teacher. It's nice and it's needed.
You didn't answer the question. God indeed allowed man have many wives, not explicity, but, he blessed those same man that had two wives, blessed their sons, protected hagar. I'm not telling that he encourage more than one wife, i'm telling that he allowed, because he didnt punish or said anything to any man that had more than 1 wife, if was a sin that should be repented, he didnt condemn anybody because of this.
Yes, but he also explicitly said that these men that has more wives had them out of self importance and to have more power.
While God wasn't against the idea in the old testament, it gave more power to Satan as he could exploit the man even more.
He absolutely answered the question. Watch it again and you'll see.
One wife is a Roman concept that they inject into the Judaic religion we now call Christianity
He blesses the sinner. He doesn't want any of us to perish which is why he repeatedly renewed the covenant.
@SICARII PHILADELPHIA It's in the old testament?
You can read of Solomon and his wives, they were idol worshippers and he had many sons of which were sinners and tried to kill him.
Read the book of Solomon, Don't embarrass yourself.🤦
Did David commit adultry with all his legal wives, yes or no ?
If yes, than is David in hell ? He never repented of polygamy.
If no, than where is it written that you cannot have two wives ?
Chapter and verse please.
How can you commit adultery (taking ANOTHER man's wife) when you've taken those unattached women for yourself? See the contradiction in modern American (20c) definition of adultery? THE bibilical definition of adultery is WIFE STEALING (taking another man's wife); if she doesn't belong to another man, she's free for you to take to wife. Ez 23 Yahweh takes 2 virgins to wife; after David commits adultery with Bathsheba & murders Uriah, she had no more husband, so what did God make David do? Did he not have to make things right by MARRYING HER after already having about 18 wives at the time? Does God hear sinners? Then why is it that right after it's recorded that David takes MORE wives that he asks God for direction at someone attacking him & Yah tells him to GO DO IT & his victory will be certain?! 1 Chron 14. When David DISOBEYED Yah, God made him SUFFER and REBUKED him did He not? Remember the Song of the Prophetess Deborah when they had a victory in battle "to every man a girl OR TWO"? Judges 5:30-31 - Was she blaspheming? Remember who rewrote the 10 Commandments..a man with more than one wife - MOSES himself had 1) Zipporah, a Midianite, descendant of Abraham: Exodus 2:15-16,21 and Exodus 18:1-6 & 2) An Ethiopian woman: Numbers 12:1(-15); Jewish tradition says he had many more concubines. Isaiah 4:1-2 about the glorious day of the Lord, how 7 women will take hold of 1 man; don't we hear how there are MANY women even today wanting to take hold of one man; my nephew has 2 wives.
Can you clarify 2 Samuel 12:8? Seeking understanding here.
Do you think the level of difficulty should be a measure of why you should or shouldn't do things?
Was the father of prophet Samuel a king ? or a normal believer ? a normal believer correct ? and he was polygamist he had two wives : Anne and Pennina.
That is no argument. Just because men sin NEVER makes it right and cannot be used to argue in favor of sin.
Thank you for that illuminating short explanation of why polygamy was tolerated by Yahweh but not promoted by Yahweh the true God. You are spot on when you refer to men of faith as in the Old Testament - but they were not necessarily men of morality - and that distinction is rarely spoken about openly. Thank you for illuminating perspective. FDH LLB MA
Exactly. God expects us to fill in the blanks. He usef cautionary tales and expects us to fill in the gaps.
As someone who just avoided a terrible love triangle, pick one person of thr opposite sex and stick with them.
The gentleman in this video is very conniving with his words, he says the NT never upholds David as an example of morality.. which is misleading because the Bible itself actually does uphold David as an example of morality ..
“because David did what was right in the eyes of the Lord and did not turn aside from anything that he commanded him all the days of his life, except in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.”
1 Kings 15:5
1 Kings 11:6 and 2 Chronicles 34:2 prove the same.
But because these verses are in the OT and not the NT, the gentleman dismisses them and only focuses on NT verses on examples of morality. With all due respect to his knowledge, I think this was very very misleading of him.
@Mile Hoho So God didn’t really want to promote polygamy, God was just kinda forced into it by the situation. That’s your theology??
Tolerated not promoted ❤️
@@tantig5923 So when Deborah (a woman no less) sings of the blessings of victory to include “two wombs for every man.. and the land had rest for forty years” (judges 5:30) you see that as a begrudging toleration? When the Elders praise Rachel and Leah as models “who TOGETHER” raised Jacobs household.. that’s mere toleration? (Ruth 4). Western Christian’s aren’t even reading their own bibles.
In many way a good answer, but it did not address the heart of the matter: why is polygamy *never* condemned as a sin in OT if it was a sin?
Because clearly it isn't a sin.
@@davidobarr2317 Yes, I believe your are right, it was permitted during this time, it is not the ideal, but it was the only social structure that could provide a system of social security.
I hear the mormon polygamy issues almost daily. It was refreshing to hear this perspective from another tradition and it made so much sense.
@@jakesanders136 Im sure you pick cherries as well as you pick your scriptures.
@@rebeccacampbell585 Please explain why God said that he would have given David many more wives if he had asked in 2 samuel 12:8.
When David killed his friend and stole his wife, God said “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. 8I gave your master’s house to you and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you the house of Israel and Judah, and if that was not enough, I would have given you even more.
If you can’t have more then 1 wife like you said, why did God say that?
@@tiegideon9816 God did not say that. Why are you lying? He said, "I would have given you such and such." God did not reward David, but rather "The sword never departed from David's house." It was a bloody time. Brother kills brother. One daughter was raped and her life ruined by her brother and her other brother killed the rapist. One of David's sons chased after David to take his life. That sounds like punishment, not rewards.
@@tiegideon9816 You are right brother. Biblical adultery is when a man sleeps with another man’s wife or a woman sleeps with someone that is not her husband.
@@naruto354ful Men who have sex before marriage commit fornication and when they cheat on their wife they commit adultery and fornication.
Yet there was the law of Levirate where someone married his brother's widow.
That was just one among several laws about polygny.
@@LanLe-rz4lm But it proves that not only polygamy was allowed but in some cases it was promoted. There's a story about it in the Genesis 38 (Tamara and Judah).
@@heraclito3114 More like commanded in some cases & regulated altogether, so it's done right to benefit all parties involved, but Yessirr! Polgyny - one man, multiple women.
@@heraclito3114 promoted? i don't see how polygamy is " promoted " in that story.
@@amsterdamG2G You made men to marry their brothers' widow in addition to their own wives.