RAM 2500 Cummins Transmission Update | Is Allison the Answer to RAM's Outdated Transmissions?
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- Today I am talking about the RAM 2500 Cummins and it's outdated transmission. Ram has taken some heat over the years with it's transmission issues in it's 6 speed, but there is rumors that RAM could be working a deal with Allison Transmissions to potentially put their reliable and durable 10 speed transmission into their new heavy duty truck line up.
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Hey guys after making a video about my friends 6.7 cummins last week and talking about how good the engine is. some people were mentioning that if only the transmission behind was as good to take all that power. So I started looking into the tranmission complaints and it seems like the current 6 speed has been around for some time.
the competition like chev and ford have both moved onto heavy duty 10 speed transmissions that probably really give the truck a lighter feeling. all those gears are also great for towing and accelerating because you can be at peak torque and horsepower longer with more gears to choose from.
But the rumor is that RAM is also looking a higher geared heavy duty tranmission. the first potential transmission is the 10 speed Allison and that would work very well in my opinion! many commercial ISB cummins (6.7) are already hooked up to an allison tranmission so cummins and allison are no stranger!
Allison transmissions are one of the best in the market, they are reliable and durable, yet cheap to maintain and operate. so if ram had one of these behind the already very durable 6.7 Cummins. it would make for an awesome duo and I think would make the best truck in the heavy duty segment by far.
the other option would be for RAM to go with a heavy duty ZF transmission option. the ram 1500 already come with a lighter duty 8 speed tranmission and it seems like customers like it and I don't see why RAM wouldn't also strongly consider using a ZF.
Personally I think if any tranmission of the two is going to go into these ram 2500 trucks with the Cummins engine it will be the heavy duty ZF 8 speed. Chrysler already has a deal with ZF and I think it would be an easier option for RAM.
I could be wrong but who knows! - Auta a dopravní prostředky
** When I say Ram 2500 in this video I mean RAM 2500's With CUMMINS. The RAM 2500 with 6.4 Hemi's come with the "lighter duty" ZF transmission. Sorry for any confusion!
I am refering to the Inline Cummins Diesel. This will be in 2025 we are told
My 2017 ram 3500 has 332,000 towing miles with the Aisin. I’ve had zero issues at all
That's damn phenomenal 😳😳😳
Franck Prolos not really watch pd power diesel there is a lot of them with way over that that he owns
Same. I got the 5500 and pull very heavy and never had an issue with the transmission.
Way to go Toyota! That’s why I own both!
This genius just likes to heat himself talk. Another CZcams expert.
The Allison transmission in the GM is in name only. The 10 sp. trans. in the GM was a joint development with Ford, and GM pays Allison to use the name on the current truck.
100% correct - it’s Not True Allison Internals nor True Allison Programming!
czcams.com/video/bQh8jpVHxbo/video.html
There's is nothing about an Allison that's Ford. GM's joint venture with Ford was the light duty 10 speed in the half tons called the 10R80 in Fords and the 10LXX for GM. The 10L1000 is GM, designed by GM for GM only. Fords heavy duty 10 speed is a 10R140 and is developed and built by Ford for Ford.
@@MrNismopro lol there’s nothing about Allison that’s GM either. Sold off years ago bud.
@@jaredmayer3960 GM bought Allison in 1992. Then they sold the aviation portion of Allison to Rolls-Royce. For a long time Allison carried the name Allison-Detroit. Then they split. If you read on dieselhub you'll get the story. The 10L1000 was designed by GM engineers whom relied on close collaboration with Allison Transmission throughout the design process, noting specifically that the transmission was "validated" by Allison through rigorous testing and review of GM's design. As the transmission carries the Allison namesake, one can only assume that the 10L1000 has earned Allison's stamp of approval.
Minor correction, not a big deal. But the current 2500 Cummins is running the 68rfe. Not the 65rfe
Thank you for the correction! My mistake.
I honestly would be more than happy with an 8speed zf behind a Cummins. Great transmissions, there well known on a global scale, and if you look them up there huge innovators in the transmission world
Agreed. If they have a model that’s rated for the higher torque that would be amazing. I love the 8HP75 in my Power Wagon but it’s only rated for 750 nm (553 ft-lb) of torque. The 8HP95 is rated for 1000 nm (737 ft-lb) but still not enough for the 6.7 Cummins.
The 8 speed is an excellent transmission. I would like to see an 8 speed trans behind the Cummins as well. I question where the line is to having too many gears.
I would be a little shocked if they don't do that. seems like a simple move for Chrysler
that is a great question because alot of big rigs have 13 speed Eaton transmission and it's not like these trucks are going to be hauling 80,000+ lbs. However, if lets say the new rams came with a 12 speed zf and that transmission had the ability to skip gears if not needed that would be awesome. for example, if the trucks is unloaded and not needing power maybe the transmission starts you off in 2nd and jumps to 4th, then 7th and so on. but if you wanted to drop the hammer no matter what speed you are going you'll probably be in max power band because there are so many gears. it would also help save fuel because if you are just cruising your rpms could be kept very low with quick upshifts.
A lot of automated manual transmission in the trucking world act like that. they will go through all 13 or 18 gears if needed but if you are unloaded it will jump right from 1st to 5th.
@@KeithStarr Look up the powerline 8AP by ZF. its the big brother that is going into the Ram's when they finally do the update
Ram has seriously upped their game in the past ten years. Glad to see it.👍
Cummins+Allison=dream combo. Has been the dream for over 20 years. Im not holdin my breath lol
might happen we'll just have to wait and see!
The ZF in my 1500 Ram is perfect. A HD 9-10 speed ZF in all of the 2500-3500 models, would be golden. Only problem would be keeping those trucks in stock! I'm sure there would be a sizable price bump, but most buyers wouldn't even blink.
People paying 15,000+
To put a Allison in a Dodge Ram
I’d LOVE to see a 13 speed in a 4500-5500. Nice manual eaton fuller with rear air suspension on a 5500 would be beautiful.
Get er done! You can spend the money and get it done. I’d prefer the auto.
The market absolutely will not support any kind of manual transmission. Those days are totally gone. The g56 was the last. And it didn't sell that well either.
Might as well get an actual semi at that point lol
ATS has an adapted Allison for 5.9L 48RFE, 6.7 68RFE, Both Versions of Aisin which also have some weak areas for towing. I have the ATX Stage 2 68RFE with Tow CoPilot in my 2500. That trans is a beast. Puts the power to the ground.
Are you towing anything or yust sunday driving
@@michaelwillingham6671 do not be a smart ass !
Bin hotshoting with my 2020 ram 3500 with cummins HO and Aisin transmission, currently at 220,000 miles and no problems except with the def system that fixed itself after keeping on driving truck for about 3 hours to burn the soot from the catalytic converter (happened at around 40k miles). Hauling loads of up to 18k pounds.
awesome man! and ya those dpf filters probably needed a good burn!
I have the same truck that I use part time for hotshot and am at about 70k but recently my def system started acting up throwing a code then it idles rough for a bit and goes away. When your truck had its def problems did it throw any codes or show similar symptoms when idling?
@@manwithnoname734 it showed that the DPF was full at 100% with a loss of power from the engine but a kept hauling with a load that weighed about 7,000 pounds and after 3 hours of driving it started the regeneration and went back down to 0. After that one time that issue never popped up again so far.
If Allison shows up in a Ram 3500, be sure our fleet will get one 👌🏻
My dad's 2005 dodge ram 5.9 Cummins with the 4sp went over 217,000 miles towing a 38' 5th wheel with an enclosed trailer connected to the back of it.
That's nothing for a Cummins. Think most ppl want to see atleast double that
Prolly rebuilt the trans twice in that time, minimum. Those 4 speeds were weak.
I think Ram should replace the old 6 speed with a ZF 9 speed and then upgrade the Aisin from a 6 to a 8 speed. Because I think the Aisin is a very solid transmission and it would be kinda sad to see it go.
You're Correct
I agree, I know zf already makes a transmission heavy duty enough so why not use that?
Can the shift solenoids be replaced in the Aisin AS66RC? We are getting the shift delay on our 2010 3500. The dealer is saying they don't replace those solenoids. They won't break apart the tranny they just replace the whole transmission. Is that correct? 1-27-23.
Let me know if that link helps you any
A ZF 8pm is in your Powerwagon too. If RAM moved to a high output capable ZF, they would be accepted. ZF already has a BIG positive reliability record. If they go with ZF, they help their business relationship with ZF (and don’t look like a “Me Too” with Allison badging).
Hello - does the Ram 5.7 and 6.4 transmission use the same cooler setup? Great content.
Nice... btw do you know how to tune the bus motor to get same power as H. O. cummins in ram 3500?
AISIN transmission works Great
6 speeds is all I need.
I tow farm equipment and my personal fifth wheel Travel Trailer.
City Boys "think" they need 10 speeds, making their manhood longer???
Cummins and ZF have been paired in many tractors, too. Versatile lines especially. The ford 9600 series have a 12 speed ZF transmission. I’m not 100% sure that it’s made by ZF for ford, but every gear, shaft, synchro and other miscellaneous parts are stamped ZF.
My daughter and son-in-law have a 2018 Ram Megacab 3500 6.7L with the Aisan. My wife and I have a 2018 Ram 2500 Crewcab 6.7L with the 68RFE. We also have a 2016 Ram 1500 Quadcab 3.0L with the ZF, and a 2020 Dodge Durango with the ZF. Both our Ram pickups have an aftermarket larger capacity aluminium transmission oil pan. That has fresh Valvoline synthetic transmission oil. And the Hot Shots Secret automatic transmission addiitive.
I enjoy the ZF transmission vehicles. But the 68RFE had a changed personality once the Hot Shots Secret additive was put in. Before the 68RFE would not downshift all the way to first gear at a stop light/sign. Now the truck has a whole new personality! Driving curvy mountain roads is so nice and smooth.
I have driven pickups, dump trucks, and other commercial vehicles with the Allison transmissions. I like the ZF better. And the ZF is more refined under load than the Aisin.
The 6 spd HD transmission (Aisin) is what I have behind my HO diesel. (2021 3500 4x4 Crew Cab Long bed) It is set up for heavy hauling. I tow a fifth wheel that weighs around 19.5k. It is NOT very smooth shifting around town. The 68rfe is smoother in its shifting around town but if you start putting the torque to it, it has a higher possibility of failure. The 6 spd shifts more positive (aggressively) but takes the power and torque; With that being said...If Allison puts a tranny behind an HO Cummins I would trade mine in for it!
Ram needs to do something. The Aisin transmissions seem to hold up but as you pointed out there could probably be a better option.
Pulled 25,000 pounds with a Ram Cummins with 68RFE and it handled it a lot better than I thought it would. I normally pull a RV around 10k pounds and it does great with that load also. This was a one time deal moving block for a retaining wall about 20 miles on backroad with a large gooseneck. 19,600 pounds of block plus 5,300 pound trailer. I do transmission filters and fluid every 60k with my truck being my daily driver and not towing most of the time. Going 120k as recommended on fluid changes is just not with the risk to me. I'm also tuned 40hp over stock. The Aisin shifts funny when not loaded and lazy still when loaded.
There is nothing wrong with the 68rfe!we haul excavation equipment 5 days a week with no problems but we do not pound the shit out of the trucks and they are not tuned !
I love my Aisin in my Ram dually it never gets hot when I tow like my old 68RFE used to do.
Yup, I'm consistently 165 or less when towing my 18K 5th wheel. My old 68RFE would get over 200 in bumper to bumper traffic frequently.
Can you make a video about all the diesel exhaust components on the new Rams. And what I can do to help maintain everything. Keeping cost down. Can I replace components myself?
Would be awesome if Ram went with Allison Trans!
Currently my Ram 17 68RFE, I have only had to replace the solenoid pack, change fluid every 60k-70k & currently have 722K on her
we have been putting an Allison behind a Cummins since the late 80s! Sounds like you got a good one, we have a few customers that are up there in mileage as well. Seems they are either good or complete junk.
As a RAM dealer we are told Allison will replace standard 6 speed auto, and Asian will still be option
Fake news, RAM will never be using an allison try again, people have been saying the same thing since 2020 first it was getting an alliison in 2021 then moved to 2022 then 2023 it's all bs they will be using a ZF trans if they ever replace the asian
As a Ram dealer, you hear the same gossip we all hear. I worked at a Ram/Dodge dealer for most of my career.
i think aisin will make an 8 or 10 speed soon. the japaneese rarely are the first do things because in my opinion that take testing more serious. its a known fact that the reason Japanese manuals are so smooth is because they started with more auto's and they made their manuals so great by testing and perfecting them.
could be true also. maybe they make a 10 speed Aisin and introduce it to the whole heavy duty line up
They do ASIN last I checked is owned by Toyota well a certain percentage is. The new 10 speed tundra has an ASIN transmission. Rumor was Toyota and ASIN have transmission plant in Texas. I thought the Allison the Cummins was getting was a 9 speed?? The ZF heard a ton about it for Cummins use but it’s hard to beat an Allison
I'm honestly surprised that RAM still uses 6 speed for their heavy duty trucks, whilst Ford and GM are on 10 speeds.
Once they go 8 or 10 speed I don't think they'll be anything better for hauling or towing. As of right now RAM still tends to be the best for towing.
They are good towing machines but a 10 speed would allow these trucks to stay in in their power bands more of the time. And just make the trucks feel lighter and faster. Either way the 6 speeds are probably out the door soon
@@tripac3392 I believe so as well Chevy put in 10 speed and also changed diff to 3.42 or something killed the towing. The new d max went back to 3.73. also the 5500 d max uses 6 speed
the torq is so broad you do not need 8/10 speed why over complicate things and the ford 10 speeds are having problems !
There are different variations of the ZF 8 speed that FCA uses. I believe they only manufacture the one used with the 3.6 pentastar, the one used with the various hemis comes from ZF directly. To be honest, I think they need to get 10 speeds in their truck lickety split, we all know the ZF 8 speed is awesome but there are those buyers who just count gears and say "more gears is better" and pass on Ram.
Was not aware of that! Probably a good thing that ZF makes the 8 speed with the hemi not chrysler lol but yes I would agree and a 10 speed would increase fuel economy and make the trucks feel lighter and faster im general.
@@TheGettyAdventures It is very likely Ram with use the ZF 9 speed HD trans. It's proving to be pretty great in Europe. I heard one of the engineers say "The Cummins doesn't need 10 speeds".
10 speed Allison with a TRUE 5th gen cab on a 2500/3500/4500 etc…. THATS WHAT IM WAITING FOR!
lol kind of odd how the heavy duty trucks have the same cab as the 4th gens.
Had 2 duramax allison. One lasted 225000 and one at 110000. Expensive!!
Peterbilt uses a version of the ZF called the TX-8 transmission in their class 5, 6 and 7 trucks. I like that it has 2 more gears then the Allison.
Well, the Aisin 6spd can handle a smidge over 1200 lb-ft of torque. And also, in an article I read comparing the Allison and Aisin, it stated that the Allison was a smoother shifting tranny, but the Aisin was stronger for towing. Moreover, a buddy of mine hotshots with the new Ford 10spd tranny and blew it up b/c of the constant downshift and upshift the tranny did while towing. Not to mention that an Allison is about $4K more than an Aisin, and is just as affordable to maintain. With those numbers, Chrysler would be foolish to replace the Aisin. But since it's only available in the HD models, the ZF might replace the 68RFE in the regular ones. The 68 can only handle 800 lb-ft, so I could see that happening.
ya I've heard good things about the Aisin and to be honest I was mostly talking about the 2500's but either way if RAM felt that bringing the Aisin down to the 2500's that could also be a very good option as well. either way the 68 seems like it needs to go.
@@TheGettyAdventures Agreed.
@@TheGettyAdventures bashing the 68rfe is getting ,old it is not a bad trans !
@@andrewslagle1974 It's fantastic if you don't tow much.
you seem to know some stuff about rams diesels I have a question maybe you can help
once in a while my ram has some white smoke coming from the back of the motor towards the firewall it doesnt smell like rubber or brakes
it seems to only happen when i am towing a load up a hill or have a heavy load of salt on the back and my plow on the front dealer has no clue but hey they usually dont
any ideas
There really isn’t a lot of relationships, you can order whatever transmission/engine combination you want in semi trucks. The transmission engine relationship is just based on standardized bell housing bolt hole patterns. So as long as the engine has the same SAE bell housing pattern as the transmission it’ll bolt right up. If you really wanted you can put an Eaton fuller 18 speed behind a 4bt Cummins and it might move but you probably won’t be able to drive it. And usually Allison with their automatics have standalone drivetrain modules, the really only take RPM, engine load, engine brake level, and cruise control parameters from the ECM of the engine. They do the same thing with the Duramax, mainly it’s mostly standalone
What data do you have that the 10 speed is more reliable than a 6 speed?
The nice thing is the combo is already in use in big rigs for years.
Big rigs have the Allison 3000 series trans which is fantastic for that kind of use. It would be overkill in a pickup. The Allison 1000 series used in Chevys is suitable for pickup use even though it's not a true Allison.
That would be awesome
It really would be
The 2021 and on 2500 and 3500 come with the 68rfe and the 3500 has the opinion of getting the HO motor and ISN trans
can the 6.7 bus engine be tuned to produce more hp and torq? why is it detuned? is it same pistons and turbo?
Yup the 6.7 in those buses could be tuned up to the same specs as the pick truck engines. I couldn't tell you the exact differences but from what I've read they are just detuned for more longevity
It’s a pickup doesn’t need more than 6 gears. And that 10 spd Allison was built by Gm with Allison over their shoulder
From everything i heard they are talking about using the relatively new 9- speed allison…not the gm develped 10 speed..i guess they use it in bigger trucks…like f750 size or so……i hope they choose allison but ram has a very strong relationship with zf…..and licencing that works for them with ZF..i imagine ram will get alot of pressure from ZF tranny to do an 8or 10 speed with input of 1500 lbft -2000 lb ft (future proof)
I have the ZF 8 speed transmission in my 2021 Power Wagon, what do you have in your PW? Also, I believe ZF makes transmissions for many European car and truck manufacturers.
I love like it. I mean the fuel economy has me shaking my head at the moment but I'm told it gets better once the engine breaks in lol. but the truck is so good looking. sometime I catch myself just staring at it lol. I did some towing with it and she pulls very nicely, I was really impressed actually.
One can only hope!
something has to happen! I think It's a mistake if they keep using that 6 speed
I’d love to see the g56 come back in a high out put model
Keep dreaming, manuals are dead.
My buddy has the new transmission in his truck already (dealer swapped) he says he loves the hell out of it
I want to see a beefy 8 or 10 speed manual transmission in the Dodge trucks with the Cummins Diesel. Like it should be, a automatic transmission should be a option.
Aisen is a excellent transmission period. Maybe the higher spinning Ford and Chev diesel engines need the extra gears but the low rev Cummins 6 works perfectly with the Aisen 6spd. When if ever, have you heard of a Aisen exploding. It's tried and proven. More gears is more parts which doesn't equate to more reliability. Nobody tows heavy with a 2500 anyway. If you need more, buy the 3500 with the Aisen.
I have had 2 aisins go out on my. One in 13 and one in a 2019. They are dog shit. Love my ram trucks, will trade the second there is another trans option.
@@shauncameron8042 Is it tuned are you pounding the crap out of it i find it hard to believe!
*Aisin
I daily drive a 2020 SRW Ram 3500 Mega cab Laramie night edition fully loaded with HO Cummins with aisin, it’s my 3rd ram with a Cummins. My truck is lifted with big wheels. I’d say aisin reminds me a lot of e46 m3 smg transmission or e60 m5 smg transmission. Every time you shift it at full gas, it feels like rear end is gonna fall out, you could feel the shifts it’s very raw. It might be not comfortable for some people but it is a HD truck with over 1000tq. If BMW does it in their sports car. I like my 5th gen ram! I’d say this is the best ram so far!
They say the Aisin is a good transmission so that's all that matters in a HD truck!
My daughter helps build the ZF transmission in Gray Court South Carolina for the 2500
We have lot of Cummins ISB and M11 with Allison transmission. Sometime companies buy Cummins with different transmission to save money. Cummins with Allison is very reliable but also expensive.
I have heard from a couple other people that the Allison is pretty expensive in comparison to other options.
What years are those buses ?
Would retro fit be available?
Its going to be a ZF transmission, wife works for FCA and they have been testing it for about 6 months now ATM they are here in Canada testing cold weather hauling and stuff like that on it. she told me if all goes well it should be out in 2024 or mid 2023.
You can get an Allison trans mated to a Cummins. Only problem is the cost, about $10,000 aftermarket conversion.
Yeah, if Ram pairs the Cummins to an Allison, it will be a home run...if they go with the ZF, even if that performs adequately, it will be perceived that Ram cheaped out (like they did when they originally used 1/2 ton transmission architecture as the base for their HD transmissions.
I live in California & can't "delete" a diesel, so I want an '06 Ram w/ the 5.9L, 24 valve Cummins to avoid the emissions crap...and I want to retrofit w/ an Allison...
Idk how it would be seen as the cheap way if they went with ZF. ZF has already proven they can build heavy duty transmissions. John deer uses them in their 6000 series tractors. I know tractor not a truck but still let’s you know they can build a dependable product.
@@spence5627 I didn't say that it WOULD be cheap, but that's how pickup truck buyers would probably perceive it...b/c we/they don't know all that.
@@peterf.4268 You're not wrong...
I ordered a 2017 Ram new when I checked the box for engine Cummins it came with the 6speed manual no charge the is the best transmission . The cheapest transmission option started 2000$
RIP
The Allison was made for medium duty trucks. The 68rfe is still basically a 727 with electronics added to it. I have a Chrysler 300 with a 8 speed ZF, it's a decent transmission.
I agree I also have a Allison on my motorhome cummins
I cant say which one is better. But i will say the Aisin’s have served us well over the last 10 or so years.
If I can't have a standard transmission behind my 5.9, I'll take an Alison. Plus manual hubs.
Can I get a manual transmission already! Would love one in a ram 2500
All of our international Cummins are mated to Allisons in the fleet I work on
Wow wow awesome That’s most Intelligent Truck Cummins with AllisonTransmismission
I had a 2019 ram 1500 with the 5.7 hemi with the 8 speed with 3:92 axles and I pulled a 9900 gvw dump trailer and when I hauled rock I would Rev up to 4000rpm then after that my transmission would start slipping. so I traded up to 2017 ram 3500 swd cummins with 68fre transmission
Why not? Remember GM and Dodge/RAM Trucks used the AAM 11.5 14 bolt full floater on there respective HDs with different differentials (torsen for RAM, Eaton g80 for GM)
And here I am with my built 48re only sucks because it’s a 4speed worth the swap.
Most 3500s have the 68rfe also the only exception is cab and chassis’s and some upper end models
Zf is in their HD lineup. Just not behind the diesel as of yet. They have an HD 8 sp in the 2500/3500 with the 6.4 hemi.
Second- Allison does not make a 10 speed. (At all) Chevy makes the trans and Allison slaps a badge on it. Bit of a scam as the 6 speed versions were all true Allison 1000s. Ford/Chevy 10 speeds are nearly identical, tuning is very different, but physically almost the same.
My bet is that ram gets the zf. I will trade in my 19 3500 aisin for it the second they do.
Thank you for talking about this. YES a Allison Automatic Transmission would make a HUGE buyer's potential for DODGE Trucks. You talked about LICENSE agreement. That is probably the kicker. The red tape behind the cost change out. I have been a GAS Ford person all my Life with there Pickups. In 1979 I bought my first NEW truck. Very underpowered ( 351 engine) I did not like the noise from Ford's earlier Diesel. Plus I thought the fuel miles would be better
( 12 miles to gallon ) with 351. Boy I was wrong
My 2000 Ford F-250 I got the biggest GAS engine, the 10 cylinder. Ford's Diesel were still noisy. I have no problem towing my heavy 6000 pound boat. Plus I have so much power empty.
Will say I RENTED a 4 yard United Rental Ford F-750 Dump, with the 10 cylinder GAS engine Ford did GAS engine in those bigger trucks I think for fleet PROPANE conversation. So fleets could meet emissions standard. The F-750 had no power with full load of 5/8- Gravel on any up hill climb. The Diesel would have been much better in these Dumps. I have looked at the new GMCs, with the Allison Automatic. Boy I would change to that pickup in heart beat. But boy they COST so much. If DODGE switched to a Allison Automatic, I would BUY that pick up next as my next NEW truck. That would be the best pairing of two great power, Strong work horses. You also have to look at the GARBAGE industry with Garbage trucks, stop and go all day. Those Allison really hold up. Also Fire Fighting the Trucks and pumpers are all Automatic, powered by the reliable Allison's.
So meany industry usage of Allison on very tuff work days the stop and go is murder on those Transmission, they are very reliable.
they are good transmissions and it would be really nice to see one in a RAM but who knows. RAM has to make a change either way though because the current 6 speed in the 2500's are pretty weak compared to the rest of the heavy duty truck segment!
allison in a garbage truck is not what you get in a light truck!only the 4500,5500,6500 have a real allison built trans
@@andrewslagle1974
I'm just saying the engineering the guys who build the great heavy duty transmission, they put there now how brains into the build of the Transmission of these pickups smaller trucks do they not
The next transmission will be larger ZF 8 speed built in Gray Court, SC.
You don't think they will use the ZF 9 speed? I've already seen a video of them testing it in a poorly disguised Ram truck.
@@rcastorena ZF 9 speed is east/west front wheel drive transmission.
That would be Rams best move ever!!!
sure would!
Uh… NO! Going with Cummins was the best move ever, hands down. I’ve personally owned 4 Ram 2500’s with 5.9 12 & 24 valve Cummins engines and NEVER had any issues with any of the engines. I wouldn’t even consider an inferior Power Stroke or Duramax regardless of the transmission.
Dumb question, but how do I know if my 2007 dodge ram megacab 3500 6.7 cummins has a Allison transmission?
Or I need one?
is doesn't have one
@@TheGettyAdventures I'll have one.
If your trans dipstick is on the driver's side of the engine, it's an Aisin. Passenger side is Chrysler RFE trans.
So GM and Ford collaborated on the 10 speed that is in both trucks. Neither are Allison transmissions. GM (who used to own Allison for about 10 years but no longer) had Allison branding. It is NOT an Allison but is a troublesome transmission I’ve heard.
Ram (Stellantis) will not be getting the Allison. It’s a bummer. But I’ve spoken with an engineer for Ram and was told that rumor is not going to happen. What we PROBABLY will see is a ZF Powerline 8 speed. They have one in a 2018 Ram and you can find the video on CZcams. But when, well it’s still a secret and a well kept one at that. Hopefully before pigs fly.
even ford figured out a cummins and Allison will sell some of there older medium duty trucks were equipped that way. the 10r140/10L1000 transmission is a good transmission
I still prefer my G56, though I wouldn't mind learning how to shift an Eaton if one were ever offered.
I think Ram's with manual transmissions are a thing of the past unfortunately. seems like there is no demand which is probably why ram discontinued them.
@@TheGettyAdventures probably, automatics by far are easier to drive, get you from 0 to 60 with little effort, and if they drop the manuals, simplifies the automaker's production lines... but for me, it dumbs down the driving experience too much with an automatic. Next step with all the driver assist crap they throw in cars truly will be self driving vehicles. Say goodbye to going even 1mph over the speed limit, rolling stops, or driving off road without your seatbelt on around that time. =p
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the AISIN SEIKI Japanese transmission behind the mighty Cummins.I’m sure they’ll be coming up with more gears eventually.
Nothing wrong at all! but you can't be paying big money for a 2500 with a cummins get an outdated 6 speed as the only option. I think people would be very happy if they offered the Aisin in the 2500 line up.
Can't tune it is main issue. I don't keep trucks stock, never will. But noone has gotten into programming the aisin, if anyone ever did it would be a game changer. They shift like shit once u crank power up in any way. Not enough line pressure to hold big power...
That AISIN transmission should be in the 2500 as well.
With a ZF I might wait a year or two,but if they go with an Allison, and they also go ahead with a cummins in a powerwagon? Cummins, Allison, Powerwagon...SIGN ME UP!
I could be wrong but I don't think they'll ever put a Cummins in a Power Wagon. a couple reasons why it's not possible as the truck currently sits, mainly the softer suspension can't handle the extra 1,000 lbs of the cummins. but what I think is more likely to happen is RAM will make a 2500 with full lockers and some fancy electronic off road stuff and call it a fancy new name.
@@TheGettyAdventures Hey...A guy can dream!
how about the ASIN as the standard transmision on all ram 2500-3500 cummins
I have no idea why they didn't do it from the start. but seeing that they didn't do it when they introduced the aisin makes me believe they aren't going to bring the aisin down to the 2500 line up. just my thinking
ZF is still sticking to its guns on the cost/returns on investment vs. unnecessary complexity chasing 10-speed competition for the sake of a number, ZF’s CEO has been very direct about their HD PowerLine 8-Speed units having higher efficiencies, fewer moving parts, less weight, and a much higher reliability in the field compared to its 9/10-speed competition through the world. He made light of Fords 10-speed issues, and GM as well- carefully mentioning that GM now only licenses the Allison trademark to slap on GM’s own design- which was really just co-developed with Ford… (it’s wild how many people missed that memo in 2020.) Has that since changed? I haven’t checked if the HD GM trucks changed 10-speeds since 2020?
Um, 68RFE.
The Aisin AS69RC only comes with the HO Cummins 3500. The SO Cummins in either 2500 or 3500 has the 68RFE. The Chassis cab trucks come with the Aisin behind a derated SO Cummins. The Chassis Cab Hemi trucks use an Aisin AS66RC.
LOL, that Allison rumor has been around for years... More likely to be the ZF 8-speed given Stellantis' current use and relationship with ZF. The current 2500 Hemi trucks have a ZF 8HP75.
The Allison is not any better then the Aisin. That Aisin was made just for that set up. I own both Allison and Aisin. Our truck are used for hauling only (hot shot). I do like the Allison. Wouldn't want a 10 speed the trans spends so much time shifting that the exhaust brake doesn't do much because it is disengaged between shifts. I ordered a 22 just to make sure I got the Aisin. I have owned them all, that Aisin is by far the best working trans I pulled with, You can keep the ZF. If you are buying by brand recognition you have no need for a truck.
Would love to see the Allison in it, but expect it to add significantly to cost.... Back when it was a stand alone option for the Duramax, it was a $9000 option.....
The bean counters at Dodge will win though, and their choice will perhaps be an improvement, but it won't match the Allison.....
Bet you will get an Allison :)
I stopped buying Rams when they stopped making 6spd manual trans. If they start using a new ZF in 2025 I'll take another hard look at them. I had a 06 with a TST turbo kit advertised at 500hp/1000ft lbs torque, I had to swap the stock clutch out with a South Bend to keep it from slipping.
Not all 3500’s have the airing transmission. It’s an upgrade when you get the high output.
I love the aisin transmission they use its the absolute best transmission outlasted every other transmission
It's easily the highest quality trans in the HD pickup market, but it's not the best for shift quality. I own one, and I love it, but it shifts pretty harsh. That's just how they are.
@@rcastorena they shift hard to handle the weight its built for quality over comfort
It won’t ever happen. The Allison 10L1000 is an Allison branded/engineered gm transmission. ATS offers a plug and play LCT 1000 for the Ram trucks. The ZF transmission are some great transmissions. A high torque engine like the cummins does need anything more than a six speed though.
But I have just one complaint: why RAM 3500truck series still uses 17" alloys in their trucks when they simply switch to 22" rims and a beefier front suspension
I believe the 8 Speed ZF is made in Kokomo, Indiana. I thought the 8 speed was licensed from BMW, maybe is one in the same? I had a rental RAM 1500 with 8 speed, it was a nice truck and got good fuel economy with a HEMI.
That be a good combination. Or go back to allowing 6 speed manual
I like the zf but I’ve been wanting a Allsion behind the Cummins sense my 06 ram 3500 I think it would be smarter to give everyone what they’ve been talking about in shops for 20 years wish this thing had a Allsion I would trade my truck in just for finally having a Cummins Allsion combo but not for the zf
Why not the ZF. I mean ZF builds transmissions to go in John Deere tractors. so they probably could develop or already have one that would be good for ram.
@@spence5627 just because it’s something I’ve wanted and a lot of ram fan’s always wanted and been in arguments over like I said I like zf not taking away from them but to say I have a Cummins and the Allsion is just argument over best truck on the market only thing Chevy/gm had on dodge was transmission and I’d just have to go with name brand basically
Add this to with the 3500 Cummins Diesels and wow max HP it can handle 600hp 1850 torque damn
Nothing wrong with aisin good oll tried and true 6 speed. Ram should make it optional in the 2500 as well.
That would be a great solution. And i wonder why they havent already. Maybe trying to force people to upgrade to the 3500 for a better transmission option.
The Asian trans comes with the high output engine in either 2500 or the 3500.
@@acrscott it comes optional only in 3500 single and dually and standard on cab and chassis 3500-5500
@@acrscott You can't get the high output or the Aisin the 2500...Only in the 3500 or a chassis cab.
I’d switch from running fords and chevys to rams in a heartbeat if I could get an Allison behind a Cummins
We can do that for you now. Find the right truck and get an Allison behind it.
@@caconversions4591 but can you do that with the 10 speed Allison
@@baileysconstruction7898 The current one GM is using is not a true Allison, so we have no plans to do anything with it. If Allison comes out with a 9 or 10 speed then we would consider it. The 1000 6speed does everything we need and has good gear splits.
Good day sir....great show!
Unless I'm missing something, since the Cummins & Allison combo is ALREADY being made for the school buses, would't it make more sense for Dodge just to order MORE of those and slap them in the HD Ram's, instead of getting ZF to develop a heavy duty version?
you would think that it would make perfect sense. but the Cummins allison combo in the school buses are rated for much lower numbers then in the pick up trucks. I think the school buses are rated for like 280hp and like 400 ft-lbs of torque. super detuned but strong units. I would think that allison has some type of contract with GM which is preventing the allison cummins combo in the pick up trucks. but I could be wrong.
For all the talk about the 68rfe I have not had any problems remember if you start adding horse power the first thing has to be beefing up the transmission
I don't have an issue if Dodge were to put the ZF in. But I think they should bump the torque rating that way you not already maxing out. If you're maxed out from the start then you're setting yourself up for failure. The other thing i bet Dodge will run both the ZF and the Aisan for a year or two to see how the ZF will do. Just my opinion.
I have had 4 cummins duallys and I would rather have a built 68RFE than anything else.
But isn't the 10 speed allison not really allison, more like up to allison specs transmission by GM?
Dude! I don’t think Allison builds transmissions anymore. The plant closed. I am not 100% sure but that is what I heard. The transmissions in the gm trucks is NOT Allison although there is a Allison badge on it. The Aisin transmission is bulletproof but it’s build for heavy towing. Hard shifts. Aisin can just update the transmission and make a 8 speed that shifts smoother.