What's Best for My Cummins Diesel Ram - Should I Change Oil Early or Wait?
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Hi, Andre:
On my 08 Ram, I installed the Amsoil bypass filtration system which allows 10% of the oil to be filtered down to two microns, then returned to the sump.
After an hour or so 100% of the oil has been filtered to that two micrron level.
I change oil about every 30,000 miles, and usually send a sample to Blackstone at the 18,00 mile mark.
It always comes out with stellar results, with all indicators showing an engine in excellent condition, and encouraging me to just keep using . in that 30K miles it uses no oil, has no blow by, and runs like a Singer sewing machine. By the way: I'm currently at 209K miles.
I had the same equipment on my 96 Dodge with the 5.9 Cummins, used the Amsoil signature series oil, and always had similar reports from the lab.
The trick is that the truck only is used for towing my 10K trailer on the road as I'm a full time RVer who stays in every resort for 3 weeks, then I drive to the next resort and stay another 3.
I have a 400cCC Burgman highway scooter for sight seeing, and shopping while the truck is parked.
Unlike me, many trucking companies go 100K to over 200K using this system without changing oil, and suffer no damage.
If I were using it as a daily driver-even using the by pass filter- I would be doing it every 15K.
Using a diesel as a daily driver with little load creates many problems with acid buildup, and moisture in the crankcase that isn't burned off in every day type driving.
I do change the primary oil filter every 8K miles, and use the oil from the old filter and pour it into the new one.
Anyhow; if you have nothing larger than two microns in your oil, there is almost zero wear as you go along, soooo, I do expect a million miles out of this old horse of mine.
I enjoy your videos, and especially like the Ike run.
Michael Rzewuski
Installed the bypass kit as well. Where did you mount your filter housing? Curious.
I work for Cummins, and can tell you that you are spot on with your findings on this. If you change your oil more frequently than recommended then you are wasting resources, money, and time. If your concerned, you can go to any Cummins branch and buy an oil analysis kit and send your oil sample in for analysis. They are $30-$40. I bought my truck brand new and have every oil analysis since day one truck has 160,000 miles on it now. That will also add some value when I go to sell it.
They tell you having all the oil change paper’s and stuff like that will make a difference but between all the vehicles I have either sold or traded in not one person has ever asked me for the service records or even hinted at asking if the services have been performed doing the services in your vehicle is for yourself only not to help the resale value.
@@Back_door_bandit_98 - depends on the vehicle. I have bought and sold many. It really can affect the resale, especially if it’s a classic or near classic vehicle.
@@Back_door_bandit_98 I personally would be impressed by a seller of a Cummins vehicle who could show me their oil analysis reports. Few things would indicate that the person takes care of their engine more than taking the time to send oil samples in to Blackstone for analysis. And I can't think of anything that would give a better indication of the condition of an engine that past and present oil analysis reports.
Have you had any issues with the def system?
In what capacity do you work for Cummins?
Great video guys. Congrats to Alex on the new Cummins !
I have owned several. The trucks computer ask for service right at 15000, I let truck decide what’s best for it.
Never had a problem. Also Dealer service at 15k miles includes fuel filter replacement there is 2 of them. Typical Cummins service every 15k runs around $300-350, that includes both fuel filters. The first service Ram pays for so Andre’s should have been free at the dealer , unless they could not cover it at such low milage.
They probably paid for it since they usually only do the free service at the proper intervals. I think Andre had to get it changed to get his oil sample.
@@etteyafed Yea, I know Toyota won't do the free service early have to wait to at close to the 10K mark on Tundra's. I was not sure about Ram I had never tried it on RAM, the Tundra computer comes on at 5K asking for service, but all that is a tire rotation at 5K not the oil change.
We have all brands in my business fleet, I let all trucks all brands decide when they need and when they receive routine service. We typically always have them dealer serviced so there is always clear record of following the recommended service intervals at least while under warranty.
I love that you guys bought this truck right before I got mine. I'm creeping up on 5,000 miles and was just wondering yesterday if I should take it in for it's first oil change. Thanks, guys!
Do service by the book until the warranty is up.
I use a Cummins as a work truck. I can say that I use the timer on the truck and when it gets to about 20-25% life I start thinking about getting the oil changed same with the fuel filters. Doing this seems to keep the soot down in the oil do it isn’t instantly black after an oil change
I'm a 22+yr diesel tech in 🇨🇦. I bought a 2017 Titan XD Cummins. have done all oil changes around the 14-16k km. oil analysis every oil change. oil is always in great shape. one analysis flagged excess sodium. Egr cooler was just starting to fail. had it replaced before any coolant loss was even noticeable. My warranty has now expired and I will be doing my oil changes annually! on my schedule!!! every fall to have fresh oil for the cols winter startups!!! I changed all oils over to Amsoil around 40k km. Now have 98k km on a stock truck!
How do you like Amsoil? I use plenty of their products but not oil.
@@goducgo I'll chime-in here as well. I've used many top synthetic oils for years in the past: (Delo 400, Shell Rotella, Valvoline, etc.) but none of these rated as well with at oil analysis time as Amsoil consistently does. In fact, it's so good, I now only run their 5w-40 Signature oil (instead of 15-40), even in Arizona. Every time I change my oil, the analysis comes back that I could go much longer/further than I'm doing. So even financially, the higher price paid for Amsoil is mostly returned with the extended intervals.
@@goducgo I first put the ATF in my transmission. noticed a substantial improvement. I did lots of research on oils. Im running 5w40 signature series. ATF in trans and their gear lube in both diffs. amsoil is a group 4 oil. most synthetics are group 3 semi-synthetic oils. i have switched both my vehicles and families cars over to amsoil. I also removed the garbage nissan blue coolant and put in fleetguard es compleat oat.
I'm also adding 4oz of injector clean/cetane boost during the summer and their all in 1 during the winter.
I tow pretty often and after the dealer recommended services for break in, I have just had the truck tell me through the dash when it needs an oil change and filter changers. Typically the oil still looks clean and that is around 15k miles. Another thing I have been doing since day one is running DieselKleen. It is the only additive that Cummins recommends. It has helped with mileage a little bit, and it for sure helps with clean fuel filters. So much so, that you could change fuel filters every other cycle(after checking/verifying of course). It is supposed to have the engine run a little hotter to burn off the EGR crud so you don't have build up that could result in EGR problems down the line is what I've been told as well
I also use DieselKleen, as recommended by Cummins. I have a 100 gallon fuel tank in the bed of the truck, and the float in the tank was getting stuck in place if not used regularly. Ten minutes with DieselKleen in the fuel tank and the sending unit frees up. If I fill the tank with just diesel and it is stuck, it stays stuck. It really does seem to dissolve deposits.
Hi guys, Love your channel.
I have a 2017 Cummins Ram 3500. About half of it's 101,000 miles are towing heavy, and half empty. I have always followed the manufacturer's recommendation of oil and filter changes at 15,000 miles.
For the last two oil changes (75,000 and 90,000 miles) I have sent a sample to Blackstone labs. With 15,000 miles on the oil, my TBN numbers were still high enough that they recommended that I increase the oil change interval to 17,000 miles. I have kept the changes at 15,000 miles, but just wanted to let you know that this is not considered to be excessive by Blackstone. And they have a very large Cummins 6.7 data base to compare my numbers against.
You mentioned the TBN number, but I think you might have confused it with the usual measure of acid/base from 1 to 14. I don't think this is the case. Blackstone told me this is a measure of how much additives are left in the oil that are partly there to prevent it from becoming acidic. It is not a measure of the acidity of the oil at present if I understand correctly. As long as you are above their minimum TBN number, they seem to feel that you can extend the oil change interval.
The COST of waiting to LONG is staggering and NOT apparent until it’s TO late
I have 8 of these and use them for work. They idle all day so change based on that. I now change my own fuel filters and it takes 15 to 20 minutes. It’s a big savings to do it yourself and very easy.
How often do you change your fuel filter
@@sirblood i change the rear chassis mounted when the evic gets to around 10%. then i change the engine mounted filter and air filter cabin filter and do a transmission drain and fill every 25k miles.
I went to a local
Dealer here in Los Angeles they wanted $1200 for oil change, fuel filter, and oil filters aswell.
Thank you for doing this I bought my truck about 5 weeks ago and I have 4k on it it’s a 2500, 2022 I’m not towing but I do drive it from job site to job site it make me feel better that I know it’s ok to do what’s recommended by the manufacture. I look forward to seeing the other reports in the future.
I don’t put in the miles so I go by date- I really like the 5w40 rotella and I use dealer for all filters. So far it’s been great- prices are kinda hi but I bought it for the long haul.
Forget miles, forget hours. The most accurate way to determine when to change oil is by how much fuel the engine has consumed since the last oil change. When I drove a tow truck, the engine spent a lot of time running loaded idle. That's when the truck is using it's hydraulics for a recovery, or, using the alternator to jump-start another car or truck. In these instances, the Odometer is not amassing mileage, though it's still burning more fuel than unloaded idle. The engines were the old GM 6.2L V-8 normally aspirated engines. (manufactured by Detroit Diesel) They held ~9 quarts of oil, including filter, lines, and oil coolers. We changed oil after the truck has consumed ~250 gallons of fuel. That works out to between 25 to 30 gallons of fuel, per quart of oil capacity. Modern turbocharged diesel engines with their high pressure fuel injection systems burn much cleaner, but, the chamber pressures are higher, owing to all that extra torque per Cubic Inch of displacement. With better oils, with higher break-down temperatures, you can probable safely burn at least 30 gallons of fuel per quart of total oil capacity, X the total number of quarts in the system. That will compensate for weather conditions, load, and even idle time. Remember; Your mileage WILL vary!!!
I've had 4 cummins in Rams and each was put on a 10,000 miles service interval for oil service, fuel filters and air filters no problems ever due to that philosophy
I started using my oil life monitor a few years back, I just run it to 0% then change it with amsoil filter and oil, I could really run the oil monitor to 0 twice with this oil and still be in spec, but to keep my oil at peak performance I just change it on the 1st cycle. Had a 2012 Duramax truck until October 2021 bought it new over 250,000 miles, now I have a 22 f250 7.3 and have been doing it the same way. Just hit 22,000 miles.
I change mine once a year regardless of miles but usually between 10 and 13K13K. I do run full synthetic so I'm sure that helps. Been in diesels for 20 years, it has worked since day one.
I change my 6.7 power stroke every 5000km/3000miles. My use makes it at about 120 hours. I have no problem with over maintaining oil/filter and arch oil additive run me about $280. I put on 5000 to 6000 km month
I owned a 1999 2500 and a 2005 3500 dually, towed heavy a lot with both. Both towed horse trailers all over the NC, TN & VA mountains on a regular basis. Both trucks were running and towing great when I traded, the 99 had 251K miles and the 2005 had approx 210K miles.
Only two major repairs to both trucks were fuel pumps went out 100-120K miles, both needed front wheel bearings 170-180K miles.
Both trucks
Oil change at approx 75% mileage of manufacture recommended
(These are the ones the techs told me was overkill on service, but I had my reasons)
Changed the fuel filter every oil change
Alternated - At one service, changed front and rear diff fluids. Next service, auto trans filter (flush system every other filter change) and transfer case fluid.
Overkill? Maybe! But neither truck had any engine, 68RFE transmission or drive train issues!
Dudes bash the 68RFE trans, but I worked both of those trucks hard, never had any trans issues. (Could it have been due to keeping them serviced, instead of neglecting servicing the trans?)
I now have a 3500 dually limited 4x4 with HO 6.7 and aisin trans, I don't work this one hard but still stay on top of servicing.
Good Deal. I agree.
Transmission service is key!
I drove 2020 F350 DRW 6.7 for 60k miles and was waiting for 2023 F450 Limited for 11 months. With no end in sight, I jumped the ship and purchased 2023 Ram 3500 Limited DRW HO 6.7 , Aisin Trans, 4.1 Gear. I had full body Suntek PPF and Ceramic coating plus nano ceramic tint for interior including the windshield. I am overly surprised how good is Ram 3500 Limited. It has better interior, smoother with auto leveling kit, TPMS, Apple like keypad. Gas mileage is par with F450 Limited. Around 15.5 driving empty. Tire will be cheaper on Ram 3500 than F450 Limited. It is not a fast truck, but fast enough . I can drive few hours and my back doesn't hurt and leg is not cramping up. I do not tow, but do haul some weight and this is my daily vehicle. I will take the Ram over Ford now but do miss 10 speed on gas mileage. I am 5'10" tall and it is very hard to see the front. On Ram, I usually have to wait before taking a chance on a tight spot. I do take care all my trucks or cars and they are all in great shape when I sell or trade them in. I do not pull trailers but do carry some weight 500-2500 lbs time to time. I do change oil at about 70-75% and fuel filter/air filter/cabin filters at every other oil change. I will change the front / real differential fluid / transmission fluid and filter at about 60% of the manuf recommendation time.
@@wj2791 - Your mileage is due to the gearing. My previous 3500 was 4:10, was ok on mileage but not great. When I got my current truck, they had one like it with 4:10 but I got the 3:73 and couldn't be happier. On interstate (not towing) with cruise set on 75, I average 19.0 - 19.2 mpg every time I have checked it. On highway with cruise set on 60, I always average around 21 mpg. Have not checked it at the pump with a lot of city/daily driving but the truck computer usually shows between 17-18 mpg, but of course the computer always shows .1 - .2 mpg higher than checking at the pump on long trips.
I also let my 2021 RAM 2500HD truck decide when it needs to be changed. I go by the percentage of oil life gauge in the LED readout. I usually get it changed at around 10% of life. Here in crazyfornia a full oil/filter and 2 fuel filter change at the dealer will cost you upwards of $600 with just a oil change in the range of $275. That is $225 just for them to change out about $75 worth of fuel filters. I now change my own fuel filters after researching it and watching several videos on how to do it. Now it takes me about 30 minutes to do both and I save $200 and let the shop do the oil changes.
Went to a dealer here in Los Angeles they wanted $1200 for an oil change with fuel filters and labor 😮😮
@@gerardochavez2609 Did they offer you any sort of rear end lube option as they bent you over the counter ?
in Large CMV Cummins powered N-14 engine(855 cubic inches) we routinely change engine oil at 25 K or roughly 2.5 months with a weekly average of 4500 miles pulling 48' flatbeds trailers over the highways use.
44 quarts vs 12 quarts.devide 25k by 4 and you got a little over 6k mile equivalent
I go by time of year for the most part. And it works out to be around 7500miles. Wintertime I switch from a 15w40 to 5w40 in my Duramax.
I have a 2021 F-350 with the 6.7 and I also change my oil every 5K. I do not pull a lot of big loads anymore but I still believe in changing my engine oil more often.
There's no need as oils are very good now.
It does no harm early changes, just cost you more money
Are you running full synthetic? Like Rotella T6. Im all for oil changing way sooner than the manufacturer recommends but for full synthetic that seems a bit excessive. I run a 2018 Freightliner with the DD15 engine and change the oil every 50-60 kms using Shell Rotella T6 5W40 or 15W40
Apparently these guys don't know that 2.5 gallons of synthetic 5w-40 is only $60 at TSC
In the manual it also states to follow the EVIC maintenance reminder. If someone has a high idle time duty cycle (fleet, welders, etc) the EVICs duty cycle algorithm will recommend an earlier LOF.
15,000 miles or 12 months are the absolute limit.
Hey Andre. Just my advice. I’ve been changing my oil on my 2018 ram 2500 Cummins since new. I have 180k miles and running strong 💪🏻. I would look into the shell rotella full synthetic 5w-40, NOT 15w-40 since you live in a colder climate. 5w flows easier in winter conditions. I change every 10k miles with mild towing and 12k miles with no towing. I change the diesel filters at the same time too.
did my first oil change at 11 yrs. old for my lawnmower which i used for my lawn cutting business in my neighbourhood. nowadays i prefer to check the oil once a week on my 2019 ram 3500 limited diesel before i go to the local town shopping a 100km drive oneway. the pickup box has barrels of diesel/gas and bulk water, sometimes propane, food cooler and some parts/supplies for my heavy equipment.(aka, case cx 800 excavator ,moxy mt 31 dumper...ect.a total of 7 diesels.) so the 8 ft box and quad cab are full every week and to keep the engine working well a few big hillclimbs on the pavement do it aka: italian tune up and when the oil is getting black usually 3500 to 5000 miles depending on weather/dust/work load..and it takes on a slightly bitter smell i will change it at my workplace, every time i do this aka: clean looking oil ..🤗the engine performance up the steepest paved hill is at its best. 🤩 on my industrial diesel motors oil changes vary to some extent depending on how hard a workload has been put on them....the oil dipstick helps tell the story.
On my 2017 Ram 3500 4x4 dually HD with Aisin transmission I tow minimum 12k pounds and max 25k pounds on a regular basis BUT only put 5k-7k miles per year on it so only do yearly changes.
On all our other trucks we try to do it at 3k-5k due to very heavy use and dusty conditions.
Since I have my own shop (we do it ourselves) buy filters by the dozens and oil by the gallon or drum.
As for changing oil early or at lower miles I don’t see how it can be bad.
I have a 25 year old Dozer with a 8.3L Cummins that I often changed at very very low hours (IE less than 100 hours because the oil was a year oil) But if we had a big job away from the shop for many months sometimes the hours would exceeded 200 or more. I believe because of all the many years of early services the engine is much cleaner inside, my reasoning for this is even with over 100 hours if I change the oil today it comes out of the oil pan as clear as the new oil. My employees all freak out by how perfectly clean the old oil is even after hundreds of hours of use and complain about how hard it is to check the oil because it’s difficult to see on the dipstick.
So in my opinion if it was my vehicle and I can afford it I can’t see how early oil changes are in anyway a negative. Especially the way we run our rigs and equipment hard off road and keep them for decades or until 300k miles on vehicles. As for resale we always get above appraised value for our rigs since they are always in excellent running condition and come with detailed documented records since day one.
Pulled apart 180,000 customer changed every 10k had to replace whole motor. Pistons we’re rubbing into interior cylinder wall and caused full compression failure. 5,000 max
Thats 1 example lol and to top that you have absolutely no clue how the owner or owners treated that truck for 180,000 miles
Bought a used 03 20 yrs or so ago with 84k on it went back to the same dealer within the first month they kept it for 3 months and replaced over 15k worth of parts then got it back and the tranny went out at 105k definitely felt like a lemon but i ran it from 84k all the way to 235k till i could get un lopsided and walked loved the truck when it was running but had to part ways when the tps went out 4 times in 12 months at 450$ a pop i was done
I use AMSOIL and their oil bypass system and do an oil analysis mid-year. I drive about 15-20k miles a year and all is good. 2017 F250 6.7l .
I’ve been using rotella t6 15w-40 for a while now. I change every 15k and my 6.7 has been running great. Now my 12 valve is a different story… that thing chews Up oil in a couple thousand miles lol
Got a 2002 cummins, I change mine every 5,000 miles. 90% of time its hooked to a trailer. Got 528,000 miles on it and climbing......
Awesome take care of you're rig and it will take care of you.
@@Gooddog1 560,000 now......
@@slinkyitsslinky8697 my ford 7.3 947k 😂😂
Alex I still think you're right for changing your own oil even if you didn't really save to much money, I've had bad experiences at dealerships changing my oil. (Not put the filter on tight enough & it leaking most of my oil out, & once they didn't change the filter at all) I change mine every time, it's a piece of mind that it's done right.
I bought a used car from a dealer and they gave me a coupon for a free oil change when it needed it. I took it there and they tried to charge me 100 bucks to drill and tap my oil pan because the plug was stripped. When I told them it hasn't been touched since I bought it, that means your service tech must've done it when you changed the oil as per your used car service and inspection claims, they changed their tune. Just trying to screw me out of some money since I had the coupon I figure but they screwed themselves out of a customer because I refuse to go back there
Plus they tend to use a cheaper oil they buy in bulk. In one of my cases anyway.
I just love this silver truck man .!
Great video!
I only change the first one early. As shown in your report there are a lot of break-in material which gets cleaned out.
I did first change around 6k and 10-12k intervals after because of biodiesel usage. Also i change fuel filters every oil change which brings the service bill around $450.
I just had my first service at 7900 miles -- mainly because I get four free oil changes and tire rotations. My fuel filter had about 20% life left in it so I replaced it too.
Just make sure they use the right oil. Around here dealers can’t get 10-30 for them and use 5-40 had some trouble with that it made the hydraulic lifter start tapping very loudly. Now I custom order 10-30 and do it myself only use 5-40 if your in a super cold environment
I always do a break in oil change at 1000 miles and then every 5k miles . Have always done it this way and will continue to do so. This is on my gas engine just to be clear.
I too am a big fan of changing the OEM oil at 1,000 miles to get rid of the metals associated with the engine breaking in. Then I fill with a quality oil. Currently, I am running 0W-20 Shell Rotella gas truck oil for my 5.3L gas burning 2020 Silverado.
@@machfive916 nice! Yea I run pennzoil ultra platinum 5w20. Made the engine so much quieter than the OE oil which is probably bulk oil at the dealer
In high-dust, high-load ranch environments, I'd still say 10K
Great job guys
I'll be curious to see how the oil holds up after you guys have the 68A recall done, especially if the EGR is increased. I personally installed a AMSoil bypass filter to keep my oil as clean as possible. Please consider doing another oil analysis after the recall. Thanks guys and looking forward to any results.
I love your videos! I have always changed my oil early in everything I own going back to my then girl friends new 1988 Suzuki Samurai, at 500 miles the metal flakes shined like fools gold in a mountain stream. I have never seen metal like that again but I'll never forget it either! My lawn mowers get changed after the first cut when new. My new Harley at 100 miles, then 500 then 1K.
However on my 2022 Ram 3500 Cummins HO I did the first at 4K then the 2nd at 10K simply because its a diesel and my feeling is, truly we all know a Cummins will go and go and go no matter what I do as long as I do what the book says but 4K on a new diesel felt right to me? I thought about changing the oil at 500 miles, then 1K but I thought no, not this time as this truck may outlast me as far as miles and I drive less than 10K a year. 4K felt right to me....
My 2012 Cummins "makes" oil between oil changes when it does DPF regen, I change mine every 4k miles just due to the fuel dilution issue with my truck. I would never think of doing a 10-15k oil change interval on any vehicle.
if you're getting excess fuel dilution. find the source!!! u could easily have a bad injector. we see it all the time in our ISB 8.3L engines in our transit buses! U shouldn't be making oil!!! if anything u should be losing it!!! all modern diesels consume some amount of oil!!!
I don't own a truck, but I have been doing all my own oil changes for many years in all the vehicles my family has driven. If you're frequently towing, or driving in extreme conditions, or if you put a lot of annual miles on your vehicle then it's likely better to change engine oil more frequently. Personally, my vehicles only accumulate about 10-11K miles/year. I tow very occasionally with my minivan, perhaps 3 or 4 times/year and nothing too heavy, just a light trailer or jetski. I change oil twice per year, every spring and every fall. Never have I had any issues.
Before I continue watching the video I’ll tell you what I’ve been doing on my 2018 ram 3500 stick shift: I never go to the full oil interval. Usually change anywhere between five and 7500 miles. Full synthetic.
There's no need to do it, but if it makes you feel more comfortable it's worth it.
Oil and materials have improved dramatically over the last couple decades.
@@Robert-cu9bm 100 agree, but that darn emissions crap dirties the oil faster, no?
Appreciated this video. One question that is not real clear to me with this is, are you running standard oil, or full synthetic? Would that change any of the recommendations? Thanks!
I bought the Valvoline 15-40 oil and Mopar filter from Amazon for 95 dollars. Paid local shop 40 in labor to change.
I just did an oil change on my 2015 Ram 2500 Cummins. It cost me $65.76 for 3 gallons of Shell T5 synthetic blend 15w 40, $12.48 for the filter. With tax I paid $83.72 doing it myself in the driveway. The dealership is roughly double and they may not even do the work.
At this point, I would change the oil at the dealer always. It gets logged by the dealer for Carfax and is often free. It will save you if there are engine issues under warranty
I just started the video So don't bash on me. My dad has an 07 Ram 2500 HD and he changes the oil every 7000 miles no matter what. If he's towing the skidsteer, just cruizing...it doesn't matter. That's a nice truck and I wish I had one. Congrats guys!
Talking 1st oil change. Yah, I'd do it at 5000 miles too. Then, run it 10k or 15k depending on my use of the truck. I like the 5k, because it keeps the odd number a 5 and not having to remember from 7k or 8k etc. ONLY use high quality synthetic oils and OEM oil filters. Nice video.
Exactly what I'm thinking
I’ve never doubted the manual on the interval. I also run full synthetic, so I don’t really worry. I’m definitely not wasting my money changing it before it needs it.
First change I’d do earlier than recommended but after that, go with recommended
I did oil analysis on my power wagon and at 20,000 miles I still had a finite amount of break in metals. Those have since gone away but man the 6.4 hemi took forever to break in. I run around 5000-7000 on my gasser too. Seems to be the sweet spot on modern oil/modern engines.
7k mile oil changes on a gas engine that’s cutting it close.
@@Back_door_bandit_98 not according to the oil analysis.
@@Back_door_bandit_98 Synthetics have come a long ways. And they do stretch our old fashioned ideas of what it used to be of every 3K. But 5-7K now is standard.
@@Back_door_bandit_98 Have been doing 25K mi oil changes on gassers for 50 years with no oil related failures.
I have 132k on a HO/Aisin Ram and change roughly every 10k. Been using Blackstone for years and they keep telling me I could go longer. I guess 10k is my personal limit, not my oil's limit.
I bought a 2023 ram 2500 crew cab 4x4 with the 6.4 hemi. Maybe I’m old school but I made the assumption the engine needed 500-1,000 miles to break in. That said I did the first oil change at 700 miles. I took it to the local ram dealer at about 650 miles for them to change it and they said don’t do it it’s a waste of money and to follow the computers oil life percentage meter. So I took it home and changed it myself. The owners manual doesn’t say when to change it based on mileage but it does say to not go over 8,000 miles. I will likely follow the oil percentage meter and change at about 20% oil life.
5000 miles regardless of use, that is the milage I been changing my 2002 Ford F250 7.3 since the truck rolled off the lot new, 280k miles and haven't had a issue yet other than normal maintenance and sensors, not one part of the engine has been opened up, with that said it does have a oil leak or two 😂 but they still not hitting the ground, it's just chassis lubricant at this time.
My first oil change takes place after the manufacturers recommended break in period. For my current vehicle a 22 Tahoe with a 5.3 that was @ 750 miles. I used a factory filter and oil for this one (i did the oil change myself), and the oil had quite the shimmer from the amount of metal floating around. I then ran that oil until 5k and took advantage of the free oil change from Chevy. My next oil change will be @ 10k miles with Mobil 1 and a factory filter with subsequent oil changes taking place every 5k miles.
Yes I’m sure it’s excessive, but vehicles these days are very costly!
I do the first at 1,000 miles, then again at 10,000 miles and every 10,000 miles thereafter with oil samples. I also run Amsoil 5w-40 signature series. The first one could be the highest chance for any metals during break in so I like to do the first very early just for peace of mind.
Land Cruiser forums talk about this all the time. I have the same argument with the BMW dealer about my wife’s car. I couldn’t care less what Blackstone says. If I had a fleet of vehicles, an aircraft, or a commercial boat i may care. I don’t. Gotta tell you - oil is cheap. Every 5 k for me.
I've always been an ounce of prevention guy, these trucks are bumping that 100K price tag hard, so an oil change a little early isn't the worst thing you can do. My last Cummins however i did the Royal Purple oil change, and I let that spendy job go for a while.
I have a 2022 2500. When i go over any decent sized speed bump my front suspension bottoms out. Do you have this issue?
I have a fleet of 28 6.7 cummins in wreckers. Some trucks are hot seated and never shut off. We have the gps oil change interval set to 10,000 miles and try to have it done by 20,000 miles. We have had trouble out of 2 2019 motors. both replaced. We have had overheat problems waste 1 2017 motors. But in large part our trucks hold up and have 700,000 miles and down on original motors and are used everyday.
As the manual says during the duration of the warranty the when oil analysis says to change it. My last diesel had 330K on it when I sold it.
Go with Amsoil and use a synthetic media filter compare the micron ratings , a bypass filter provides the best filtration
Paid for an oil change on my 5.7 gasser last week. I was $1.50 more than what it would cost me from the store to do it myself not counting disposal so I actually saved money.
You have to pay for disposal?
What do you think of using the remaining oil life percentage produced by the vehicles computer which is based upon its actual use ? For heavy use vehicles in may be shorter mileage than the default and for light use it will typically specify longer than the default,
It works, because warranty costs them a lot of money and a reputation damage for engines not going the distance cost them a lot.
They do lots of r&d to determine the oil change frequency. They plug that data into the computer
I change my oil every 7000 miles. This is on my 6.7 Ford Super Duty with 130,000 miles. Only issue I have had is the EGR cooler plugging which is normal at around 100,000 miles on the 6.7. I also have an oil analysis done on my oil to watch for issues. With 13 quarts of oil it is pretty expensive to change oil when using pure syn oil. Thanks guys, I always enjoy your videos.
I do a service kit every spring, after 12 months and 7,000-8,000 miles. The display still usually reads “50%”. My Cummins tows my (big) boat or horses 100-200 miles one day a week, and the other 6 days it rests in the garage while I drive a company truck.
Whatever interval you choose, just make sure you dont void that power train warranty. And keep those filters clean.
15k miles/12 months is exceptionally good for a diesel. The Cummins must be a brillian engine with those analysis results.
I am in Australia with a Toyota Fortuner 2.8 litre diesel and the recommended is 10,000 km (6k miles) or 6 months. Many 'experts' say it should be done every 5000 km!
I do the recommended changes. I reckon Toyota, with 10 million car sales every year, know what is the best service schedule. Follow the manufacturer's guidelines and you should be good.
What oil do you use, I see you arnt suposto use 15w40 anymore on newer cummins
My 2015 2500 Cummins tells me when to change oil in the info menu. That generally riubs around 7500 miles.
I’m a FIRM believer that oil is cheap and engines are NOT, I change more often than the Manuel , every 5000 miles
The question I always ask can I use synthetic oil. My cummins guy says no just use valvalene premin blue .
If you change the oil in your truck, differential fluid, Transmission fluid and eventually the coolant all over to Amsoil, not only can you go further on oil changes and the other fluids. You will be saving a lot of money long term. I am not an Amsoil dealer, I just trust their product and have had exceptional results from Amsoil. Amsoil has also saved me a lot of money due to the fewer fluid changes.
The coolant needs at half book recommended even dealers are testing it breaks down quickier. Also thinking about a coolant filter add on
Oil change intervals exist for a reason. Because in average in most driving conditions that is the point where the oil should be saturated from suspending carbon and whatever else in the oil and to wear it’s lubricity and viscosity is still good but about to degrade. Engine oil is like effectively like soapy water….it’s job is to clean the oil in addition to lubrication. So changing it early is 100% a waste of money and doesn’t benefit the engine really unless you have an issue.
For diesels 15k is fine for average use with some towing. If you're doing a lot of heavy towing 10k is usually best, anything earlier and you're just wasting oil. Does that RAM 2500 have a number for oil temp? For all of my vehicles I monitor oil temp and as I see it go up I know it's time to change the oil. For example in my GTI every time I have done that and compared mileage I was at ~5-6k miles.
Been in the PM business with diesels and gas for 20 years now we have customers that do both early and when the computer or book says its never made a different on the engine oil or miles they were able to achieve. Now transmissions every 30k drain the fluid and such is great and we have seen improvements in the customers who do that but not engine oil lol
What engine oil brand using in your first oils change?
Mostly Depends on each individual driving style and habits.
Grocery Getter & Church on Sundays or Towing Med to Heavy 1/2 or 3/4 of the miles acquired.
Emissions Equipment - dumps a A$$ Load of Soot into the oil every OCI.
Get the oil temp up to at least 190*F every time you drive her for at least 20 minutes & avoid any type of long term idling.
I do my OCI once before summer and once before winter. (Basically, every 6-8Kmiles).
Once deleted - I will install a oil bypass kit & run OCI out to 20-25K miles.
think TFL went up to 9K+ with that red Chevy Trail Boss they had with the 5.3 gas engine, and that was on the original factory fill, first oil change. Or was that the TRX?
thought it was ford 7.3
I changed my oil every 15k on my 2016 ram 2500. I put 331K miles on it before trading in for the 22 ram 2500. Stock motor and transmission that were still in excellent condition. I had no doubts that truck would of went 500k.
Since TFL does not use/work that truck very hard, I am sure it can go on the farther side than under side and it will have no issues. Not to mention, you won't be keeping it for 3-5 years, so why dump a ton of money on these short term ownership maintenance costs? PS: Nissan trucks 2020-2022 have a recall notice out, might want to be kind and make a quick video on that news. I gave more information about it on TFLNow already. ;)
It looks like in that chart in the manual they recommend the FIRST oil change at 7500 miles or 6 months.
In the manual shown in the video, it does not show that. There is no "X" in the 7500 column. Look at the Xs in the Oil Change row; that is the interval. So in this case, 15,000 miles / 12 months. With all the emission equipment, that seems too long to me, but it is what is called for. Definitely doesn't call for the first oil change at 7,500 miles. No X in that column. Freeze the video at 2:59 to see the owners manual.
Interesting that in the "severe duty" section, it only says that interval may be reduced, but doesn't say to what. It's all up to the computer. Problem is, computer only uses an algorithm based on rpm, hours, load, etc. It doesn't know if you drive in a dusty or smoky environment, etc. Anyone living rural and driving gravel roads or other dusty environment should be doing oil changes twice as often. Would be interesting to see a lab test on oil from a pickup that spends half it's miles on dusty roads to see if they that is picked up in the tests.
@@MrChadx1 Kia/Hyundai half the service interval for the severe schedule. It's 3k miles or 6 months in my elantra N and 3750k or 6 months for the wifes Sedona.
@@Terror1Void Agreed and that was my point. I my gas fullsize pickup, the manual says 10,000mile oil change interval and 5,000 for severe duty. So I do the 5,000 mile changes. I find it strange that the Ram does not specify a severe duty oil change interval and only says "the interval may be reduced". Apparently one is supposed to then rely on the computer to tell you, but the computer doesn't know if I drive on a dusty gravel road which is "severe duty"; it only knows my idle time, rpm, miles driven, etc. so it doesn't see the full picture. Ram needs to specify the severe duty intervals in the manual so those owners have the information. I would make an educated guess and do 1/2 intervals, but many people aren't familiar with such things and rely on the manual to be complete and thorough.
Is that with full synthetic oil or synthetic blend?
Yeah, following the manufacturer intervals will get you to the end of the warranty period with flying colors. If you want to keep your investment running well beyond that, shorter intervals are the way to go.
I have a 21 Cummins from new and I changed the first one at 3000 and the second one at 10000. I plan on loving my truck for a long time, every 10k with premium oil should be good😊
I like to see this done on that Santa Cruz.
I pull 28,000 pounds daily with my Cummins. That's not the weight of the truck. I change mine every 6000. Fuel filters every other time. Air filters every 3rd time unless needed sooner.
It is a lot of oil. That’s why I go to a local Valvoline. The $150 price is about right.🤔
Agree and disagree, it’s not about the oil. It is about the fine particulate that scars the one components that lead to expensive repairs. As thing have tighter and tighter tolerances. The effects are amplified. You want the fine particles that your standard filter can’t filter out (which is why diesel oil is instantly black) out as quickly as possible. This is the balance between oil change frequency and cost. I half the recommendation on everything and rather pay the oil change cost the one engine over haul cost.
I don’t know about the thin oil Cummins like that, but on my older 6.7/5.915w40 motors I run 15-20K oil change depending on usage, more because of hours. I have had 12 of those trucks all well over 350K miles. Oil Analysis every oil change and I have never had an issue.
Transmissions? Those are problems 😂
Never had an issue with a Dodge/Ram tranny AS LONG as I kept them dealer serviced (change fluid, filter and adjust the bands) as per the owners manual.
@@dannonebr I have had 2 fail under 80K. 50K fluid changes which is before dealer recommendations, but mine put in work.
Which Tranny Was this that failed? Aisin or 68RFE?
If you were towing the front end loader every day, you would want to change on a lower mileage interval. But for occasional towing I doubt you are even straining that trucks capabilities. So you could save the money and change at 15k.
plz do an AT4X AEV vs ZR2 BISON 1500 vs RAM TRX vs RAPTOR drag race or tug of war
I think Andre is correct and he has the manufacture recommendation and lab study to back him up. What do the other guys have for evidence to back up their claims?
EXACTLY !!!
I downloaded my manual on my phone. Read it ….well, what I needed to know…at work🤣
look up the dpf/def systems and how they work, they dump unused fuel into your crank case after the burn off cycle. You're oil will be contaminated!! I delete my diesels and avoid the oil contamination but still change my oil using amsoil 6x protection and a donaldson dbl7349 oil filter, it's the besdt filter. My next upgrade will be the amsoil bypass filter which filters down to 2 microns