Daredevil ('03) VS Daredevil Netflix: One Scene That Shows Why One Worked and the Other Didn't
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- Spider-Man: No Way Home has finally returned Matt Murdock to the MCU. Which made us look back at the original ben Affleck Daredevil film. Yes, it sucks--a lot. But why? What was it that made the Charlie Cox. Netflix show the singing star of Marvel TV, that the 2003 film lacked? We picked one similar scene in each movie that shows us this key difference.
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What movies should do a VS of next?
Tobey Spiderman VS Andrew Spiderman VS Tom Spiderman please :D
Constantine show vs Constantine in Legends of tomorrow (arrowverse)
Utter disappoinment
Lost in Space? TV Shows vs Movie?
There is a BIG problem in "scale" of super powers. In comics and the first DD movie, DD super power is comparable to Spiderman's. DD jumps off a 40 story building, doing flips on the way down, and just walks away.
But in Netflix version, Cox's DD is a "badass" no doubt. But he is no where close to Spiderman's power or even Affleck DD. He is not the same scale super power.
So now will the real DD please step forward: Cox's DD, Affleck DD, or comic book DD. The MCU's got a problem, if they move forward with Cox's DD as-is.
Oh and for the record, I love Affleck's Batman. But Cox's DD is more entertaining.
The Punisher!
Another thing I noticed, Charlie Cox did a much better job at playing a blind character than Ben did. That made a big difference in the believeability.
True
This comment here is the real reason why Daredevil Netflix succeeded while the movie didn't.
Huge
He was amazing, not only as blind man, but as a blind man who is perfectly concious of his surroundings, but has to pretend he isn't.
Pretty sure he wore contacts that blinded himself for non action scenes.
I don’t think people realize how hard it must be to play a character who can not react to things with their eyes. So much is said just by an actors eyes and Charlie is able to turn that off to play daredevil it is truly amazing.
Facts. When I first started watching it I was like “wait, is this actor actually blind?”
his acting was so good it made me subconciously believe that he's actually blind lol
And on top of that you have to fight as one.
He actually did an audition for a movie and was told to “make more eye contact because you made zero.” He got so used to playing a blind character that he subconsciously forgot to make eye contact
@@thatsmuggamer Suffering from success 😅
I think it’s important to note that the hallway scene not only stands out from the movie but it stands out from most cinema and tv show action scenes in general. The single take the lack of music the choreography it’s one of the best action sequences in tv and cinema.
um.. he mentioned some but ones i remember really made news was the one shot take in children of men and i think the hallway fight in old boy
no actually theirs another fight scene in daredevil its i think season 2 episode 3. hes going down some flights of stairs whilst fighting bikers, its also a pretty long take.
I love when music is used sparingly in movies. It is such an overused concept.
@@iuvdisuhb-ld3ou The "Dogs of Hell" fight is one of the best superhero action scenes ever committed to film.
season 2 scene with the punisher fight in prison is a great scene as well.
Even the way Charlie cox twitched his head as he focused his hearing/smell etc. His mannerisms were excellent. Storytelling, howmthe show develops and characters they brought in made the two seasons probably the best I've seen from any series. Third season lost a little for me compared to the prior but still solid. Movie was okay at best. Agreed with all your points.
Really? I thought season 3 was the best, but to each their own. I loved Ray and especially Dex as characters, I think my favorite moment in the whole show is the fight at the Bulletin
@@ledues3336 dex was what did it for me.. he was great. For me, as I thought about it more, I enjoyed the energy and chemistry for the main trio. It did a great job of mixing the humor, gritty fighting, and the way Kingpin did his thing. Punisher made season 2 my favorite and his interaction with DD was perfect for me. Also in 3 his contempt for his faith and how he treated his friends and such all just lowered it for me. I definitely understand why people liked it and I do have respect for the season.
@@rubensmith1300 yeah man as I said I prefer season 3 for a few reasons but I know it has some flaws and I definitely think the other seasons are awesome too. I loved all of them to be honest, so I think season 2 is very solid. I just think The Hand got a little boring after a while, but the whole plot with Punisher and the general made me love it
@@ledues3336 I agree the Hand was pretty boring. Only part of S2 that i don't like. I definitely believe this is one of the best series I've ever seen
@@ledues3336 the hand and black sky stuff was so dumb thats what lowered season 2 for me
I'm just glad they brought back Charlie Cox back to play the part again.
They did
They did
Hope they will know how to make the best of him in the mcu
@@KniFelipe theyre gonna add shitty jokes all over and lose the tone and themes of the series
@@shreyashshrestha6085 exactly but they did his character well in no way home in the little time he was in.
How about when Ben Affleck stares directly into Elektra's eyes? Charlie Cox got so used to playing a blind man he accidentally ruined other auditions.
Really?! Wow !
@@aishaiki7340 yup apparently he wouldnt get roles because he got used to not looking people in the eyes
Makes sense for a regular blind male but not Daredevil. Daredevil would be able to look people in the eye because of his senses. He knows when someone tenses their pinky toe, he'd know where someone's eyes are
@@mpforeverunlimited yeah but regardless of that as Matt Murdock he doesnt show that
@@mpforeverunlimited yes but part of a SECRET identity is that he's not supposed to let people know he has enhanced senses. If everyone thinks you're blind, they're going to get suspicious of that fact if you make eye contact with them.
The jail scene is my favorite in the series. It’s Matt Murdock and everyone in that prison wants him dead. You can see that fear written all over his face as he’s fighting for his life. It’s dark, it contains realism, and he’s walking around in red light, just looks so fitting. And the sense of relief when he makes it out! That scene always leaves me with chills.
It’s all so perfect.
And he was drugged during all of it.
@@cmorris9494 in real or in show?
The show. The nurse injects something into him before the scene.
My wife and I just got done watching that episode!
@@BaljinderSingh-cu2ob in your mom
Although yes, the fights are so much better, I like Charlie Cox’s daredevil because of his relationships. They show him being a real man and give him time to just be a good lawyer and friend. He actively chooses kindness and that’s what makes the third season so riveting because his morals are challenged. That is also the exact reason why foggy nelson is my favorite character in the show. It’s action packed but also it can be unexpectedly wholesome.
Nelson vs Murdock was excellent for this the wholesome scenes of Foggy and Matt in college juxtaposed to the present time where they are at odds and are in conflict resulting in Foggy quitting their law practice
This is why I love Matt. Unlike every other MCU hero than can fight take damage like it didn't matter and can jump of buildings and make a superhero landing, every time Matt fights, he is vulnerable and could probably be killed anytime. He gets beat up, he gets bloodied, he gets thrown around and he get tired and have to catch his breathe. But he doesn't give up.
I agree and both disagree, i finally got to watching the series, but honestly, matt shoulve never been able to get through that halllway in the state he was in at that point, even if it was cool. The series was very good though
@@dominiquebrom1931 Wait till you see the stairway fight in s2 and the prison break fight in s3.
@@dominiquebrom1931 In which episode? That ninja Nobu one?
So he gets best up and suffers no medium to long term damage. That is about as unreasonable as everything you just said
Just like the punisher
Really glad they honestly brought back Charlie Cox to play him in The MCU truly
The entire show is in the MCU *truly.*
Judging by the cheers when he showed up, so was everyone in my theater.
@@NukeMarine Because he’s a really good lawyer. 🙂
Yea he is Daredevil quite literally.. just like Jon Bernthal is Punisher. No one is going to play it like them. They both earned everything hardcore.
marvel have said themselves, Charlie cox... is daredevil. no one else is going to replace him, fans gave HUGE praise to charlie cox and jon bernthal for the punisher because they nailed the characters 110%. charlie and jon will continue, 100%
Charlie Cox is the soul of the show. I doubt if it would become a success, if they casted someone else as Matt Murdock..
To this day, my favorite scene in Daredevil is when Daredevil and the Punisher are sitting in the cemetery in season 2. Seeing the Punisher consumed by grief and guilt at the lost of his daughter made me understand why he does what he does.
That whole conversation was so heart-wrenching, when Frank opens up to Red. But my god does it show Matt who Frank is way down deep. Or at least who he was.
Such a genius paring of the 2. Their dichotomy weaves such an interesting story!
"I'll read it tomorrow" hurts
Plus for me it's the rooftop argument but they have great scenes together
All the scene when Foggy confronts Matt for lying is my favourite in S1. I always prefer real acting than over the top action, and this show perfectly balanced it.
And the rooftop conversation scene with The Punisher, oh my lord i should rewatch it again...
Agreed. The show treated Foggy with the respect deserving of a best friend. I always despised the fact that comic book Foggy was the last to know about Matt's dual life.
They also did an amazing job balancing the humor and the grimdark. The Foggy-Karen show was just as entertaining as any hallyway fight scene.
That episode broke my heart!
@@ArcaJ makes me tear up every time tbh
Daredevil (the Netflix series) is just unparalleled in it’s dialogue, acting, cast, character development, etc, etc, etc…
What scares me, is when these actors and the characters they portrayed so brilliantly, will be “Dumbed Down” in the MCU.
It’s already apparent with Vincent Do’ofrio and his portrayal of Wilson Fisk.
His MCU Fisk is a mere hollow shadow of his Netflix Fisk.
Kinda? Problem 1 is that he became the villain all of a sudden in the end kinda?,
2. He did pack a good punch, but it makes 0 sense hes on the frontlines like that. But he himself still played the same fisk, so it all depends on the universe what weight they put on him, quite literally actually
Agree with you professor..i kinda hate Wilson fisk in Hawkeye series...He's not that intimidating and brutal..he could just easily killed kate bishop during their encounter but he did not.
Obviously they weren’t gonna kill Kate Bishop so early into the mcu. It’s clear that they did it on purpose, I mean like it would’ve been better if Wilson just chilled but hey... he ain’t done yet
I hate to say this but I absolutely agree with you. He should never have been introduced in a show like Hawkeye which is very light hearted. I'm not saying that Hawkeye isn't a good show in itself; but to introduce a character like Fisk in it is a really bad idea. The whole point of Fisk as a villain is that he doesn't have to do the dirty work (like participate in hand to hand fights) himself unless absolutely necessary. Where were all his thugs when he went to hunt down Kate Bishop?? Introducing him in such a fashion ironically ruins continuity and undermines all the hard work which we have seen Matt put in in ending Fisk's reign of terror.
I guess he wanted to end it with Eleanor personally, maybe say he let her daughter live if she works for him again or something? Idk he made a lot of money out of her so losing her is really bad for him probably. Idk much about his char, so idk if he would do that
For the fight i think he underestimated kate just. If my first thought is right it makes sense he didnt kill her. He wanted to take her hostage for Eleanor maybe and he wanted to ko kate just and thats why he didnt kill her instantly?
Just wanted to point out that the reason Matt sleeps in a “coffin “ in the 03 movie is because it’s a sensory deprivation tank. Since Matt’s senses are so heightened he would need something like that to find some peace and quiet while trying to sleep. That’s why he puts the epsom salt in the tank before going in. Also, as someone who’s learning kali/escrima, I would assume he spins and does tricks in his apartment as a warm up 😂😂 gotta get those wrists nice and loose before jumping off a skyscraper to fight crime😅
Still doesn't explain how he survived that 50 ft drop
It’s funny because all show Matt does is sleep with satin sheets lol
Something I love about that fight scene in the hall is that Matt was doing it to save an ordinary kid. Not defeat the big bad villain or save a superpowered kid who'd be plot relevant. Just a normal kid, who we don't even see again. It wasn't a super short, almost meaningless rescue that took no effort like in a lot of superhero movies. It genuinely showed that despite all he thinks of himself and the violence he does, Matt is still a good person.
Am I the only one who likes the movie 😅
@@cameronallen4071 movie was fun. Show was better
Really enjoyed this - but next time if you could keep one show always on the left and the other on the right that would help to follow along. You switched the sides multiple times and it threw me off. Other than that, great analysis!
Agreed! I also think most of the cutaways didn’t add to the analysis.
Thought the same
Yup. But they have 1 Mil subscribers so likely won’t respond :/ would be nice to get a confirmation that they’ll do better!
yeah that was nuts my mind was like what
Also, the jump cuts. They would be fine every now and again, but it felt like you were just trying to throw them in about 3 times before you changed the subject
The Punisher and Daredevil are by far my favorite Marvel shows. Both had me really immersed in the plot and the characters. Their rewatch value is pretty decent too.
We can only hope what ever Disney does with them won't be too watered down. So awesome Seeing Charlie Cox return
You should watch Legion too, it's not as well known as the Netflix shows, but I'd say it's just as good (or even better) than Daredevil
Ben Affleck was DD too in 2003. Never forget.
What I love most about the hallway scene from the TV show is it shows what all that fighting was really for: to save a little boy. You see his full struggle, from getting beaten down earlier to his ensuing fight in the end, and after he's exhausted and fighting literally to his last breath, we see in the end it was to save a life, to be a hero. It's not about being the strongest powerhouse and smashing the bad guy because bad guy is bad. It's about him wanting what's best for this city and keeping people safe. We get to see it a lot in his actions and I love that about Daredevil and his show. We see the end result of his heroism.
Well that is the whole thing isn't it? Movie Daredevil does violence for violence sake, it is the beginning and end of the characters intention.
What sets the Matt Murdoch from the show apart is how violence is really more an end to a means, protecting people, and importantly not meting out justice. Daredevil sure does beat the daylights out of a lot of people, sometimes more than necessary in the moment but only to prevent further violence and abuse. He ultimately realises he cannot alone decide what qualifies as justice and execute it himself. His intent does not begin or end with violence and a self serving thirst for the punishment of others, the intent is always to be a defender.
I love the stairwell fight in season 2 and it also does this well as the only reason the fight happens is because Matt needed to stop the biker gang from killing the veteran
The jail scene where Matt had to fight his way out is even better than the hallway scene in my opinion. I got super anxious the first time I saw it
Ya that built so much tension
A friend of mine got me into Daredevil back when I was in high school (early 90s), because the most I was reading for Marvel at the time was X-Men, Spider-Man and Punisher. I loved Matt immediately, and was so excited that we were getting a film version. And then...that happened. I tried watching it recently, and it doesn't even hold up for nostalgia. I've been spoiled by the Netflix series, and now that Charlie's back, I can't wait to see what they do next.
You want Charlie’s Cox back?
@@ironghost-ug2si I want Charlie, Charlie's, do I want...Cox back...what are we asking here?
@@gl9040 I was making a silly joke. 😅
I'm very much on the fence by this news. On the one hand I'm super glad but also seeing marvels track record I somehow feel they'll remove the blood and grit from the show which is what makes it so good. You can see this with the Fisk character in hawkeye, just a shell of it's former self in the netflix show in comparison to appease to a younger audience for money.
@@ironghost-ug2si Well played 🤣🤣🤣
The TV show was absolutely brilliant. I've watched all three seasons twice, and after watching this I want watch it again.
I've recently started my second watch through after 5 yrs......... don't take that the wrong way I really love this show to death but I just needed to rebound after the first time......... also I don't watch a show/movie all over again right after I finish it.
It just took me much longer than it should've to start watching it again.
Easily a 10/10 show and miles upon miles better than the movie.
I think all the Netflix marvel shows are "organic" in it's own right and knows how to balance and stay level headed and grounded, while also portraying the shows as "comic superhero adaptations" some movies and shows you can tell it is a superhero genre, but others make it more grounded and down to earth that the characters don't seem like "gods" lol like DCEU, minus batman and/or Green arrow
I was afraid that after watching it again I would think it was just nostalgia and maybe the show wasn't that great, but after rewatching all the three seasons, I got the exact same feeling I had when I watched it first time, it's still a masterpiece and one of the best piece of media that I have ever consumed
@@leonardo25gabriel absolutely. On my 3rd rewatch, but the first after all those years (first 2 watches were upon and right after release), and I have to say it holds up, and holds up well. The show is awesome, my reactions to certain visceral scenes were just as genuine as the first time I saw them. The show is seriously 10/10. My only real gripe is where the hell did all those ninjas come from (season 2)? Really? That many and not one person saw?
I just finished watching the series a second time too.
I've just finished all three seasons of Daredevil, and I must say the show is brilliant. I enjoyed every minute, I couldn't take my eyes off the screen. I began wondering whether I should also see the movie, but your video definitely helped me to drop that idea. So, I don't want to ruin the luxurious aftertaste of Netflix's masterpiece.
I am agree
Ben Affleck was DD too in 2003. Never forget.
As a student studying filmmaking, I have so much respect for this show. Charlie Cox alone did an amazing job, every time he’s on screen all I can think about is how hard it must be to play a blind character, and somehow he nails it and makes it believable.
I wouldn't mind a Charlie Cox Daredevil with more high flying "ninja" skills. This IS a guy who beat Wolverine in a fight and travels the city on rooftops with Spider-Man.
Omfg really??
Spiderman has powers and can jump like 30 meters
@@lauracuomo7717 Yep, he beat Dr Octopus, Mysterio, Hercules and others. He should have way more powers.
Surely if he punched wolverine his knuckles would break since wolverines made of metal
@@thehardyfan9908 Look, in the comics, it's more than his senses that were mutated. He's more like CPT America in strength and closer to Spiderman in terms of agility than just a guy who does a little parkour. He didn't win but fought Spiderman and Namour (who are next level) pretty well. He beat CPT America, Electro, Dr Octopus etc. He can block bullets with his buttons and break concrete with his fists 👊
The one-take hallway fight scene was inspired by Korean movie Oldboy (2003). My husband and I really looked forward to all the one-take fight scenes in the subsequent Daredevil seasons and they blew us away. Such masterpieces and amazing fight choreography. Hope they will renew it for season 4 and also more of Charlie Cox’s appearance in the MCU.
Yes the 11+ minute true one take of season 3 especially was absolutely mindblowing
@@BurgoYT exactly I love that fight so much. Super impressive.
You watch fight movies with your husband since oldboy? I can tell, you make a great couple!
@@BurgoYT when he ends up in the taxi again at the end ?
@@mikeadams7904 yep
The "coffin" that the movie Daredevil sleeps in is actually a sensory deprivation tank. There are some comic book versions that do this as well. Because Matt hears, smells and feels EVERYTHING, it makes it difficult to sleep. So he uses a tank like this to shut out the world. Not every version of Daredevil does this but it is our there in canon.
With Suit or Without Suit.. Charlie Cox has established himself as the OG Daredevil we all love to see any time, any movie, any show...
Just like Hugh Jackman's Logan
I just hope we get to see more of Murdock in the upcoming movies
I can't say for sure that he'll be in the movies, but I know that part of the reason his scenes in No Way Home were so short was that he was actively filming other things for Marvel, including a number of other scenes for the upcoming She-Hulk Disney+ show where he is supposedly going to play a significant role (makes sense, Jennifer Walters is a lawyer).
@@wizrad2099 Sounds awesome. 😊
@@wizrad2099 I heard he was supposed to have a small bit in Hawkeye as well, but he was just too busy with the other Marvel projects that they did not have time.
@@ChrisM-xx6cf yeah Fisk actor when asked about him and Cox duo, said that he was suppose to appear in another project with him but he was busy so I guess you´re right. But it´s heavily confirmed that he is going to appear in She Hulk but even if its false I´m 100% sure he will appear in the Echo tv show
@@ChrisM-xx6cf
Cox also has a show called Kin on HBO so I don't know how much we'd see him in Marvel.
In the comic, all of Matt's other senses get enhanced, including tactile, giving him the "ninja powers". He is nearly Spider-Man level dexterity and is one of the only ones who can keep up with Spidey.
Hes also a really good lawyer
@@mkocel Cool.
@@mkocel Ahhh, I see the reference to no way home!
@@davidm4566 r/woooosh?
He (Matt)can keep “up” with Spidey, but only in so much that his senses give him “almost” an equal chance to avoid danger as Spidey. But he still only has physical human capabilities of movement, survival, toughness and endurance… his senses are enhanced, not his muscles…etc. so no 30ft jumping and 70ft drops into full sprint
The end of the hallway fight always brings me to tears when he pauses to lift his mask, and then you hear him tell the child that he's safe now. Hell yeah that's emotional. One of the best TV shows ever.
“For some reason being blind gives Matt ninja powers”
I think I read in a comic ages ago that he got increased balance etc from the radioactive stuff. So it was fitting
yes it’s the increased balance, he explained that in the film.
No, it "heightened" all of his senses to superhuman levels. That's why he could do all those things. It's all comic book DD at its finest in the movie.
@@GodlykeSoilder yeah i am just watching the 2003 movie and there is nothing wrong in it IMHO. The video's critique is just so personal that it is hard to take him (the narator in the video) seriously. Sounds like someone told him : "Your job today is to shit on the OG DareDevil movie, Idk how you gonna do it but this is your task!". The 2003 DD movie had it's bad but again IMHO it was a very Good Comic book movie adaptation.
@@julianojosoa2145 NO
The Russian hallway fight is one of the best ever filmed. Another great fight was when he rescued the Punisher and fights his way down a stairwell.
Hell I remember that, very true
And the prison escape scene
Also the second time he's going to take out him when he's prisoned. Man I just realized again that how too many great fight scenes are in the show.
The S3 scene in the prison is my favourite. absolutely brilliant.
12:42 - Matt's only intention is not to save a life. The Russians were behind closed doors. Matt could have walked right up to the door, quietly took the kid and walked out. He made a conscious decision to make every one of those monsters pay before saving the boy. Taking all his anger out on the men trying to separate a son from his father like the gangsters did to his father.
Come on. If Matt had tried taking the kid without taking out the gangsters, they might've walked out while he had a child in his arms, and that would have put him and the kid in mortal danger for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
@@lucyhartwell2134 Not with Matt's hearing capabilities. He'd just time the exit.
@@chocofro3 Say he goes into the room with the kid because all the goons are sitting down. He now hears one of them stand up to check on the kid. What's he gonna do? Answer: Fight goons with the kid right nearby.
Say he goes into the room, goons are sitting down, he picks up the kid and walks into the hallway. Now one of the goons stands up and says he needs to pee. What's Matt going to do? Answer: Put down the kid urgently and fight the goons.
Super hearing doesn't make him omniscient and capable of seeing the future.
@@HirokuDev First scenario, they literally just checked on him. It's extremely unlikely they would have double backed for any reason so suddenly unless they heard a disturbance. And it took a WHOLE lot of disturbance for the guys in the other room to come out even after the guys in the first room Matt entered had already fired a gun-twice. Conclusion: He'd have gotten in and out unnoticed.
Second scenario, yeah it's possible someone could have needed to use the bathroom. Matt isn't omniscient. But one room was in the middle of a game and the room was watching one. Also unlikely they would have gotten up anytime soon, at least without even annoucning from leaving the game they were taking a leak to explain why he was leaving the game. And if that was the case Matt would have heard it. Conclusion: the scene we got.
There was at least an 80% chance he wouldn't have even needed to fight given all those pieces.
@SirVetsalot It's not about "let" as opposed to how well he could have snuck in and out.
The touch that makes that whole hallway scene, for me, is when towards the end he is so knackered he slides up the wall on his back, pushes of the wall with his shoulders and turns it into his punch swing, such a lovely touch.
I will honestly never tire of consuming content that sings the praises of Netflix's daredevil and this video is excellent!! I also want to mention that your joke edits are so funny and well timed, the family guy and invincible ones took me out 😂😂
This is so true. The reason the movie was such a failure was that we had no one to root for. The filmmakers specifically said that they wanted to make him realistic and no real person would leave getting the girl to go do a good deed. Which… that’s the point of a hero! They’re self-sacrificing! They put other peoples needs before their own desires. It’s the reason we love Steve Rogers. It’s the reason we fall in love with Tony Stark. It’s the reason we never really like movie Daredevil.
He leaves Elecktra to go save someone in the directors cut.
@@fracturecomics4117 director's cut was definitely an improvement
I was rooting for Bullseye, he was the best thing about the movie, even if he was a bit over the top.
Speak for yourself. I liked the daredevil movie. I don't care about realism.
I think the comparison contrast is spot on - but one omission. Another reason the series was so good was the supporting cast. So many great characters and actors.
Agree. I especially loved Deborah Ann Woll. They had great chemistry together, and even more with Her and Jon Bernthal.
I want to see Charlie in a completely different TV show or movie. he's clearly big screen worthy. he has too much talent
He started out in a movie called Stardust with a lot of big name actors. Just a warning tho, if you aren't comfortable with seasoned high profile male actors in drag, you might want to skip this one.. 😆
@@82jonathan I appreciate the synopsis, I'm an ally 🌈
He was really good in Boardwalk Empire
@@82jonathan - We always knew you were a whoopsie. :D Love that.
If you want to see Charlie Cox in another movie, might I suggest that you see Stardust? In addition to Charlie Cox, you get Claire Danes, Michelle Pfeiffer, Mark Strong, Henry Cavill,Sienna Miller, Ricky Gervais and (in the role of a 'poufty' pirate captain) Robert DeNiro. This is a huge gathering of star caliber talent throughout the cast, including many other prominent actors in cameos and lesser roles, and it is a wonderful film even without that cast being as star laden as it is. It is a film well worth watching, and Cox is excellent in this film as well.
Fantastic review/analysis. Love the line
"Beaten like a rented mule " .
for some reason that had me in stitches :)
Bullseye was pretty hilarious in the movie though. Especially the scene when he kills the old lady on the plane with the peanut.
yep and the post credits scene where he is in a hospital killing a fly
EXCELLENT stuff.
I liked the 2003 version of Bullseye. He’s probably the best thing in the movie. I like the Dex version just was well, mind you, but this is one of those rare cases where you can make a case for either version.
THIS VIDEO CAME OUT AT THE PERFECT TIME
backstory and light nwh spoilers
after seeing murdock in nwh i vent back to watch daredevil and seeing it for the first time i was floored.
Today i just finished the show 3 hours ago and then you dropped this video lmao
the lord works in mysterious ways ig
3rd season of Daredevil is epic.
@Zach D punisher was so great in this show
I immediately started watching the show after NWH and I have not looked back
Spot on dude, well done. Now I want to go back and watch it again (again)!
I liked the movie for what it was. A sometimes silly action piece with hints of deeper meaning to the characters being shown because comics are a huge well of source material and I knew when I went into it they would barely scratch the surface. I thought the actors did well with what they were given to work with, even enjoyed Bullseye and Elektra. The relationships weren't bad either when it was just the characters enjoying themselves. Fisk was appropriately menacing, even if he lacked the nuance of later versions. I've seen worse movies and much, much worse performances.
That being said, everything you said was right and I am so glad the show gave these characters the depth they deserved. Charlie Cox is one of the best choices for a character I've ever seen. I can't see Daredevil as anyone else after he played him so perfectly. His physicality was amazing, but his emotional range was the truly impressive part. The story laid out for the show was a lot to portray and the whole cast was fantastic, but without such a great lead it would have fallen apart around him.
Grew up genuinely enjoying the Daredevil movie and really enjoyed the Netflix series as an adult. Different times coexisting.
i bet if you watched the movie now for a the first time, you wouldn't have liked it very much
I find your depth and breadth of content so refreshing. It is not just a deep dive into characters, source material, and methods. I think the last point is really the strongest. The Showrunners, (producers, directors, writers, and acting talent) of the movie did not get the characters or their (characters') fans. The movie was a superhero mold formula that missed on all accounts. The Netflix series took true fans and built the characters. Even though some of the acting/actor-talent is sub-par. The fans will imperfect actors that give perfect portrayals of characters grace for a lot. While A-list celebrities doing a part in a superhero nipple costume flop.
Couldn't agree more, this channel truly is a substantial breath of fresh air in the "Geek Culture/Movie, comics and TV" genre of CZcams channels.
Whereas many of the other Channels tend to echo/highlight or repeat the same points/narratives (At times, even come close to plagiarising eachother) when producing their breakdowns of Movies/Episodes, I have noticed umpteen times that Screen Crush will always have/make unique observations, point out aspects or Easter eggs that no other channel has even noticed or thought of.
Case in point, go check out his breakdown of the Matrix resurrections and compare it to the likes of Nerdist or Collider (even Emergency Awesome or New Rockstars too, although I love those guys too) now, even if you don't like the movie, you'll see the stark contrast between them.
This guy's unraveled/uncovered so much more than anyone else.
The passion and competence shines through all he does and we subscribers are better informed and all the richer for it.
Bravo
This is click bait nonsense that compares two things that really shouldn’t be compared. It’s clearly written by someone that has a strong preference for A over B. Not saying they are wrong in their commentary, but the language and tone when comparing the movie and the series is completely different. You break down the series like it’s an assignment in your cinema appreciation class, then you break down the movie by inserting a bunch of goofy pop culture references.
This channel is just as bad as the rest of CZcams these days.
@@theoldronin I agree, I think it was a bad comparison and not really done with merit. For one he talks about them not showing DD in the series making the audience feel like him but then complains about it in the movie. The point of them focusing on objects hitting lights and then making everything so dim/shaded is to bring the focus on his powers... Why wouldn't a blind hero take away a sense (sight) and use it as an advantage? It makes the scene in the show look dumb and more unrealistic for him to charge straight in with no kind of plan to speak of.
The movie was a pure "revenge" story. Revenge for not being convicted. Revenge for killing his hottie. Revenge for killing his dad. It didn't have a "plot", it just had a sequence. A "hero" should overcome something. There was nothing for Daredevil to overcome. The "low" for him to come back from was a 3rd party death. Bullseye kills Elektra. Not something that happens to the hero. He doesn't even have a hard time dealing with it.
Hopefully I didn't get too many facts wrong. I think I watched it once, in theaters, and never since. And wasn't a fan.
@@marc21256 The movie wasn't good but I'm pretty sure the revenge thing at least the first guy is his M.O. everything else not that good. But the scenes compare imo goes to the movie.
I remember when the movie came out, I was excited to see one of my favorite Marvel characters come to life. I saw Daredevil 3 times in the cinema, bought it when it came out on DVD & watched the hell out of it. Later on, I revisited it and man I shook my head at it! I forgot how cheesy it was, especially the playground scene between Matt & Elektra (ugh) and I immediately questioned why I saw it so many times. I liked Affleck as DD given his history with the character prior to casting. Colin Farrell's Bullseye was great too, at least I thought, even though I understood why he ditched the cheesy costume I totally understood why they gave him that look but man I'd have killed to see him in his signature duds! Fast forward to the Netflix series and man, I was blown away! The series was (like you said) almost perfect! The show & cast were stellar and I was extremely bummed to hear it was over, especially after the introduction of Bullseye. I'm happy to know that our current DD is going to be around in the MCU!
I really enjoyed this video and It makes me want to start the series over again. Keep crushing it, ScreenCrush!
The Deardevil 2003 movie is also amazing, it was edgy and creative for its time
The movie Matt Murdoch walks around with his Daredevil Cane in public and everyone can’t seem to put the link together.
Superman with glasses.
all I am sayin
In the movie's teenie tiniest defense, the entire point is that he needs to learn to be morally righteous and not dish out punishments like the people he's fighting. Daredevil kills at the beginning because he thinks he has no reason not to. It's only through various events like traumatizing that poor kid and seeing how Elektra was so bloodthirsty that he decides that killing isn't isn't answer. He realizes he's as broken as the judicial system he serves. The film isn't automatically in the wrong for doing this.
But don't get me wrong, it's a bad movie.
Which would've worked great as a character arc for a much better version of the movie. Who knows, in some parallel universe, Ben Affleck got to make that better movie. Just not in this one. ;_;
Actually, look up the director's cut. It's not perfect, but lifts this portrayal from embarrassing to decent. For one, we get way more Matt The Lawyer.
@@VinceBoncamper yeah I was actually referring to the directors cut 😃 his arc is so much more cohesive in that one.
I like, "The Trial Of Incredible Hulk" TV film because it featured Matthew Murdock as Daredevil, Kingpin and even has Turk Barret, granted in was in 1989 when this was released and they race swapped Turk, but other than that those are the only times that I have seen Daredevil and some of his characters universe, depicted in live action
It's not a bad movie.
Your presentation style is top notch
I’d say the show manages to keep itself grounded in real world physics as well as giving the characters a level of vulnerability and for me it’s the secret sauce that helps make it so good. The movie was a product of the early 00’s superhero boom, the pick of that era was Blade which managed to get so much right. Daredevil the movie was heavy on FX light on plot.
It should be noted that from an action scene point of view, the movie was made shortly after the matrix. And like most movies around that time, they tried to copy some of the aspects that the matrix got right. Not very well, but it does explain some choices that were made. And the show was made in a post Bourne era, with more focus on gritty fighting.
@@bengutierrez4613 huh?
There's one very direct connection between The Matrix and the Daredevil film: The Matrix famously had Yuen Woo-Ping and his team doing the action direction/choreography/wirework; the producers of Daredevil hired his brother Yuen Cheung-yan.
Good point about The Matrix! I hadn’t thought about that!
Tho Daredevil in comics is like matrix and has superpowers unlike the realistic daredevil we see in series, so movie daredevil is more comically accurate than the series one.
@@pluckyleon6640 I was more talking about the cinematography of the action scenes.
I gotta say I’m impressed to see everybody here bringing up interesting points and sharing some actually relevant observations, while I’m just giggling at the captions blunder at 0:13.
Aaaand you got my like with the "infinite hitpoints" followed by the mario star music.
BRAVO
8:31 i think it was supposed to be because his senses are so hightened that he can not sleep unless he is in a sensory deprevation chamber. cant remember if they explained it in the movie, but that would be the explanation for the coffin.
They did this in some of the comics too. If you hear every rat fart in a three block radius how easy is it going to be to catch some sleep... also, New York. Can be noisy 24 x 7.
I'm glad Charlie is back though I have no faith in Disney to do his character justice.
Daredevil is one of my favorite movies ever. I've watched that more than any movie on this earth. I love them both.
Worth mentioning: The “coffin” shown in the film is a sleep deprivation tank. It was a few nods to highlight the character’s sensitivities, pains and quirks along with the folding of bills a particular way, the combination locks and the cabinet full of meds. Also, to speak on the series’s pursuit of a child it would also be worth the consideration of the film’s child encounter. When film Matt goes through his heavy handed routine, he is confronted with a kid that reflects back at him the image of a bully, the monster that took his own father. That scene when he has to question if he WAS the bad guy was pivotal film wise.
On the flip, series Matt isn’t shown having gone through that reflection in the same manner. It’s not until someone else takes his alter ego on and his back-n-forth with F Castle that he questions the limits of his methods.
Everything else - full agreement.
*sensory deprivation tank. It's not preventing him from sleeping lol
@@Joostinonline sleep isn't a sense but okay lol
@@darkangellew I never said it was. I don't think you understood my correction
@@darkangellew other guy said sleep deprivation tank which just seems like a bad idea if it was really a thing lol
@@erikrivers1927 I got that! 🤦🏾♂️ sarcasm…
Maybe it was because I was 13 when it first came out, but I unironically love the 2003 Daredevil movie. It was very much a product of it's time but it's still a pretty fun movie to watch so long as you don't take it too seriously.
My thoughts exactly, have you seen the directors cut?
@@codyschale263 I don't think I have, but I see a lot of people talking about it. I hear people say it doesn't use the same music in all the scenes but that's actually one thing I liked about the theatrical release. Plus, Colin Farrell as Bullseye was so fun, I loved the scene where he killed the old lady with a peanut because she was talking on the plane.
I love how campy it all was
@@GrizzlyTank I agree with you, Jon favreau was actually quite funny as well. And Jennifer Garner was so freaking hot lol
I honestly think it's better too after getting into the comics because I feel like ben Affleck got it more accurately to the comic than charlie cox because hes serious but also knows how to joke a bit and it seemed like they really got his whole religious conflicts done better in the movie than the show
Facts bro it was so great to me when i was young
My and my girlfriend went to see Daredevil all those years ago and loved every damn minute of it.
I remember first seing that fight seen in the hall way and being so surprised. Like I just wasn’t expecting such a good scene. I remember that I thought it was so good that there were some little parts where you can see they’re getting tired like it feels so real it was so good.
I'm rally with you on this comparison/contrast. I do like the scenes in the movie of how they tried to make a how a visualization might seem in Daredevil's head. I just wish it was used more effectively. I still really enjoyed the 2003 movie, I just believe the Netflix show came a decade and a half later when superhero shows and movies had evolved more.
I agree, the movie had it's issues but also it's merits. The show is better, no question. That doesn't mean the movie was complete garbage though.
yes thank you! this was a time when comic book properties weren't as hot a ticket they are now (taken more seriously swell) if they remade it in 2022 we would see a completely different film! I still enjoy it & takes me back!
Well now I gotta rewatch the whole Daredevil show again. It’s cool I’ll space it out to 1 season a day
Solo and especially the scene you inserted are both good
it is CRIMINAL that this was removed from netflix, such an amazing show.
Its on disney+ now
I'm not going to say the movie is better than the show because obviously it isn't, but despite it's flaws it has many things in it's favor you didn't want to see.
The long leaps and falls were done trying to emulate the comics. Yes, he could wait outside the bar for Quesada but Matt clearly was angry and wanted to hit people ( something the show's version also does).
After the bar scene we see Matt spiting a molar out and how scarred his body is. The drops of water thing allows him "see" how people look while the rest of the time he can only locate everyone's position ( wich isn't necessary against Kingpin), and the murder of Quesada AND Matt saying "i'm not the bad guy" is to show character development. At the start he is willing to kill without a second thought, then he is kicking the crap out of one of Kingpin's minions until his child ask DD to stop, so Matt realize this guy was just like his own dad, and in the end he chooses not to kill Fisk even when he killed the two people Matt have loved the most, letting him going to jail.
It's a movie with many flaws, but not as many as people tend to believe, and it's mostly a product of it's time.
Thank you.
I fully support this comment.
Agreed.
I loved Charlie Cox as daredevil and want so much more of his DD!
same, his DD was long, I would love it if they extended it.
Thank you for this video. As a daradevil show fan, I can say that you're absolutely right.
That hallway scene was the moment I realized the show was something special. It was one of the, if not the most realistic fight scene I've seen. It's a shame you never really see that realistic weight of battle again in the series though. Almost like once he gets his costume, he becomes a bit more invincible somehow. Doesn't take away from how great the show was though.
This is cool, but for me a lot of the problems of the "old" Daredevil movie get fixed in the directors cut. It is not a perfekt version, but it makes it way better. The directors cut had nearly no romantic subplot, but a whole side story inside the court room. It showed a lot more of DD's powers in actions at low price of less "action hero love scenes with unfitting music". There were a few things they got really right in that version. But I am with you, the Netflix version is superior. IMHO the biggest problem is not giving the audience a *consistent* picture of DD, although a few of these problems are remedied in the directors cut, but sadly not all. The really crazy thing is, that some scenes are out of order in the theatrical release, no wonder the movie was so strange....
PS: The weird coffin thing is probably a sensory deprivation tank, used to isolate him from the sounds of his surroundings. I think they mentioned it in the Netflix version as well, but DD can hear too good for his own good. I have no idea if nonfictional blind people have similar problems with relaxing, but it does mesh well with his weakness against loud noises.
Thank you! Adding 30 more minutes actually makes this movie so much better.
Only thing I remember about the director's cut, was the scenes with Coolio. The scenes were written well, but casting him was a distraction.
It did mentioned in Netflix version. He is using silk sheets, probably poor man version of sensory depriviation tank lol. Cotton sheets feels like sandpaper on his skins or his other sensory
I too, enjoyed the Director's Cut of Daredevil, a whole lot actually. But of course, the Netflix Daredevil was the better. I just wish for that first season early on, they would have found a way to explain/showcase how is powers working, much like in the film. So that way, whenever folks who may be unfamiliar with our 'sightless savior', see him in action...they know exactly "how it's happening" or "the process of the fight" (with his Radar Sense).
@C.G the director's cut was originally what they wanted to show in the theater but of course the studio stepped in and asked them to re edit the movie for a love story not only to attract the female audience but to make the movie pg13 instead of R or Unrated. Had they found with the director's cut as the regular version, we'd have a sequel to the movie and it would've been more successful.
I really love Ben Affleck's daredevil but Netflix did daredevil better. Also I think Micheal c Duncan did really good has kingpin. R.i.p to a legend
Charlie Cox is amazing at portraying a blind person. To ignore all the visual data in front of you and only react to sounds
Both worked for me. I loved Affleck’s version. The emotion he showed when he was in pain taking the aspirin really got to me.
Great analysis! I think you nailed the key point of daredevils morality as well as why when the show runner leaned into all senses aside from sight rather than just hearing made a incredible difference in bringing us as the audience and to the world.
I loved the movie Daredevil, it is still to this day in my top 10 Super hero movies, having said that I liked the netflix series more.
"Sleeps in a coffin for some reason"
That is actually clever.He has super hearing so he sleeps with his ears in water so the outside noises are dulled out,so he CAN actually get some sleep
Great explanation!
One thing they nailed in the movie though, was the classic Daredevil suit. Especially the mask looked way cooler. In the Netflix version it just makes Matt Murdock look like a nerd at Comic Con or something. In the tv show I much prefer the black suit, by far!
That's crazy! I think the exact opposite
One thing new Daredevil doesn't have is that awesome soundtrack
Yeah the original had the music that’s for sure.
the soundtrack is more dark on the series becuase of the plot, not just random good songs from rock bands (:
The older movie tried to follow the comic book (more) same as the Fantastic Four. The movie makes great effort to show his powers.
Loved the reference to Invincible. Great video
Karen describing her killing of James Wesley to enrage Fisk was better than the 03 movie. Also the development of antagonists (like Bullseye and Jigsaw are just done better)
@Balakeh True but it is still possible to tell enough in a movie and give an audience a strong idea if its executed right. Shang Chi only had 2 hours but they fleshed out Wenwu (primary antagonist) well enough to be impressed and (somewhat) disappointed with he is handled in the end. In the case of the 2003 Daredevil, I don't think the producers cared enough to show development of Daredevil's relationship with his antagonists and vice versa.
Happy new year everyone! Can't wait to see more DD in the Marvel universe
Anyone who hasn't seen Daredevil but asks me if it's good I tell them Episode 2...hallway fight scene. One of the greatest fight scenes in cinematic history.
The hallway scene and the stairwell scene are two of my favorite actions scenes ever
Just as a note, in a movie, the coffin thing was supposed to be a sensory deprivation chamber and there was a plot point about the guy he was after that got cut from the movie but remained in the novelization...he was trying to use the guys heartbeat as a lie detector, but the guy had a pacemaker.
The 03 Daredevil novelization is a far better story than the movie was as they don't have the showing off parts of it.
Yeah, they took a lot from the books without providing much explanation in the movie. Easter eggs for us long-time comic book fans, but confusing and weird for the average movie-goer.
There were spots in the hallway scene where they planned to hide cuts if needed. The closed door of the first room is a black screen, and when he runs into a room and the hallway is briefly still... but what's nice about the Netflix show is that they aimed to not have to use them. The prison scene is S3 is one take... with planned cuts if needed but they didn't need them. They even used some of the "cutaway" footage later, when Wilson is watching the scene on camera, since it was unneeded for the "one cut" scene they managed to pull off.
Great analysis
Everything about the show is amazing. I'm extremely happy everything worked out and he was in the movie
The music...the choices they made for that movie...amazing.
I can't say how much relieved I was when I saw Charlie Cox in the movie (Spider-Man)...
Hahaha that invincible title caught me off guard, good one🤣
You crushed it.
to everyone saying they are glad he was brought 'back'. He confirmed some years ago that his contract did include movies so technically he was already chosen to be daredevil.
His contract was with Netflix not Disney though, and the series was canceled due to publishing rights not being extended by Disney and not from lack of viewing interest from subscribers.
Cox is DD nice to see him in far from home
@@johndavies5582 not to sure that he appears in far from home
@@TylerMarkRichardson he meant no way home 👍
To be honest, the Daredevil film gets way too much hate.
It's full of bizarre early 00s choices/tropes that haven't aged well,
but it's not the disasterpiece that everyone wants it to be.
It is a much better film than the Fox disasters Fantastic 4 films and the Dark Phoenix Saga garbage, oh Age of Apocalypse was pretty awful as well.
Agree. People need to remember that its a 2003 movie.
I remember seeing it when I was young and I loved it.
In my opinion its kind of unfair to compare it to a 2015 netflix series.
I enjoyed it when it came out but had the advantage of knowing nothing about Daredevil. It's a fun action movie. It's not a good Daredevil movie. Which makes a real difference if you love the character. It's weird that that's the case since everyone making it did seem to love the character and comics in general.
It gets so much hate that ppl watching it for the first time already have in their head that its a trainwreck when its not. The daredevil movie was pretty good. I remember watching it way back then and enjoying it and still today has some cool scenes. The fight in the bar after the trial was dope. Just take out the elektra fighting Matt in the playground scene. That definitely doesn't belong in the movie nor does bullseye asking for a suit in the movie. I didn't like Garner either. I liked the way they portrayed Matt's vision in the movie. 🤷🏾♂️
Even the Daredevil movie's flaws make it a lot more interesting than the Elektra movie from a couple of years later, which is just a complete *nothing* of a movie: nothing memorable, nothing noteworthy, not even bad in an entertaining way; just too bland to really dislike.
I just saw thus was made 7 months ago. You must be very excited for what's coming next! I know I am. Daredevil has always been my favorite comic. I've read Born Again but it was over 15 years ago, I honestly don't remember a lot of the story.
The Daredevil show was perfect. He's my favorite Marvel character an they nailed it
I love the series Daredevil (AND think it is a superior representation of Daredevil) but it is completely unfair to judge a series to a movie. You can take your time in a series and let things develop. You care about Daredevil / Matt because you spend time with him. You can't do that in a movie AND at the time that movie was made Hollywood was still very much in the "the biggest name / prettiest people are almost always the best choice of actors." phase
That last part doesn't excuse the movie
@@storysurgeon5922 Agreed, the movie had several poor choices and lazy writing. Which was endemic in that time.
But as the OP has stated at the start of the video, he is essentially only comparing Daredevil as he is written within the show for the first two episodes against the movie to more fairly compare / contrast the development of each version of the character
I agree, but 2001 Punisher is a classic with good storytelling that makes you sympathize with Frank and makes the audience justify Frank's killing. That movie was made in the same era so Daredevil is just a fail
@@HeiressOfShadows
Think that movie is underrated entirely! Thomas Jane is great punisher. And the movie was good too!!
How does he stack up against the Netflix punisher though IYO?