I had a 25%grey 75%apbt and by far the best field dog I’ve ever had, single handed done tens of badger and hundreds of fox in his life, now I just work with apbts as I never work rabbits anymore
@@littlewigglemonster7691 the American “pit” bull terrier has one true place in this world and as much as people don’t like to hear it and would like to hide from the truth, that place is in the pit.
Had lurchers for a long number of years. Best one ive ever had is a beddy/whippet X collie/greyhound who is still with me at 14 years old. Not as quick as he once was but then neither am i 😂. Great video mate
Had some excellent nights an Early mornings out with him over the years still enjoys getting out for a run then curls up in front of the log fire an sleeps all day lol..keep up the good work pal 👍
Agreed. The faults in any dog ate usually a reflection of the faults in the owners. I've learned that the hard way, being impatient, always comparing a dog to others, being to quick to condemn or judge a dog. Two mistakes I definitely think many make starting out is not putting enough time into training and especially stock breaking and jumping and getting through gates or over fences etc......and secondly not putting any effort into fitness. An unfit dog is like an unfit fighter.
💯 mate.....everyone mucks up there first dog in one way or the other.....we've all been there.....its them lads that never ever learn and just blame the dog or what's in it, usually see all the failures up for sale, sad really as usually its only idiots who end up buying them then it's a visious circle of the dog getting passed from pillar to post and never being any good
I agree 100%. Any lurcher cross will work to some extent,a lot depends on how the dog is trained. I would say the same goes for other working dogs too like collies and kelpies. How much time and understanding of what is needed in terms of training is a bigger factor than the genetics. Any herding breed can herd if enough time is put in and any lurcher will hunt. Some will get the concepts quicker sure enough.
not my account but al comment av got 6 dogs 3 of which are lurchers av got a colly cross a Norfolk lurcher and a first cross gray ,, bull and hes the boy does anything asked of him never turns his nose up from rabbits rats to fox n badger my first ever bull cross and hands down the best dog av ever had since i got my first dog at age of 8 so in 30 year hes been my best
Another great video, refreshing to hear from someone who knows and understands that you only get out of a dog what you put into to it. Ive always had Collie/Greyhound, both beardie and border in various dilutions... but totally agree that any mix or bloodline of lurcher can be fantastic if trained and entered correctly. Unfortunately there are just so many idiots out there who have no idea how to train and actually respect their dogs, they are just sold on to other people the same and passed from pillar to post! Its a real shame But great video... very wise words!
Yes that's the trouble people just stick a lurcher in a pen then expect it to do the job flawlessly with no effort on there part...then try and sell there failures on, its a shame these characters are in the game
Ive always got mine from the decent traveller's, obviously working stock , the best a rhodesian ridgeback x greyhound, fast powerful and intelligent , 2nd, saluki whippet x greyhound very fast but took longer to train but never ran out of steam, 3rd bull greyhound just a superb temperament and deer catcher 4th bedlington whippet clever and hard as nails, all lived very long lives, i now have another bull grey thats hare quick and still learning his trade
A good dog is a good dog, no two ways about that. Whether we should be calling anything with a bit of greyhound or whippet in it, a “lurcher” is a different matter. Sometimes a cross is just a cross, and a mongrel is just a mongrel, no matter how well it hunts. The names we give them have more to do with our egos than their performance. In a farming culture, a “working dog”, is a herding dog. A stock dog. A drover’s dog. The Greyhound-Working-dog cross had two attributes that were historically vital. 1. A high level of trainability. These were not “point-and-shoot” dogs for running under the lamp. They had to be discreet. They had to work quietly, whether it was a quick circuit of a field to flush hares into snares set in the hedge, or snaffling a hen on command as the traveller’s wagon passed the farmyard and the farmer wasn’t about. They had to stay out of sight when required. 2. Deniability. Lurchers originated - as far as we can tell - at a time when owning Greyhounds for hunting was restricted. A rough-coated collie-marked dog is far easier to pass off as “a sheepdog with a bit o’ leg… they breed them that way over at……” than any of the short-coated sporting-dog crosses. I’ll say it again. A good dog is a good dog. It’s just a pity that we lose the history and meaning of “Lurcher” by common error.
I think people have just created what they want in a running dog having more scope to do so than the old days.....back then you'd dare not keep a lurcher or sighthound if you were a farm labourer without the threat of the dog having toes removed or you losing your job and home.....but yes your right they were more discreet types that did a bit of everything, I guess over time they've developed more of a range of crosses to people preferences, whether you want to class them as lurchers is down to you, after all a lurcher isn't a breed anyway it's a type so technically anything crossed with a sighthound could fall under the name.......thanks for watching and thanks for your comment👌👍
I have 2 lurchers abit of a mash up in breeds bull grey collie whippet saluki both sisters great recall off lead have run round mad 10 minutes one whistle and they back to heel whilst off lead so I love these dogs aslo I have a beddy whippet little boy who's 6 mths at moment he retrieves but still a pup so plays alot but that's what pups do
Firstly I agree with what you say, very honest! But in my world Beddy Whippets are not lurchers they are cony dogs (terriers crossed Whippets). I could be very wrong but will always be cony dogs to me lol
I myself think the saluki cross gets bad press because alot of them pass hands to many times sold at the end of each season to a different owner. That's just what I think.?
@user-ub8ve6eu7c your right mate the trouble with saluki blood is I think you need to get a good bond with them they deffo not the type you can just stick In A pen and then expect them to perform.....good dogs if you put the time in with them
There are lurchers that have good coats on them.....but they've all really been bred for the types of conditions of a winter in the UK I doubt any of them would hold up to a Canadian winter, but you could probably create a lurcher with a better coat to do it by crossing something in with a coat designed for cold weather
@moochersways8595 I didn't do nothing hard on my dog till she was 24 months she was a hare dog she would walk to heal, brilliant on the slip jump fences pull 🦌 roe she caught 9 hares 1 night best dog I owned 👍
Makes no difference what dog you got if it's not trained right from the start, also it's no good running deerhound x greyhound when ferreting around hedges either, get the right type of cross for the work you will be doing it's as simple as that really. Personally i don't see the point of a saluki heavy dog unless you are going to be doing a lot of coursing, a whippet x greyhound x collie mix will usually be good for any type of rabbiting and if you want a good marking dog then stick a cross with a good nose into the mix, but like i said at the beginning, training is key!
Anyone give any advice. We've inherited (a few months ago) what seems to be a greyhound/wheaten terrier lurcher... tied up and abandoned by gypsies, broke free and I took it in as I couldn't see her go into a rescue centre. I'm not a lurcher bloke, country boy done a bit of beating but my dogs have all been pets (labrador and now a staffy cross). I can't let the lurcher off (long lead with harness to save her neck when not on a short lead/collar). She's about three. Done a bit of recall on lead and in an enclosed space but any prey comes in sight and she's gone. Any site/scent stuff I can do within these limits? Just looking to keep her happy and mentally challenged. Cheers
Hello mate.....this will probably cause a bit of controversy but I would consider trying an e collar.....used correctly they are a great training aid for high prey drive dogs they can really help with recall and even stock breaking with older, stubborn and high prey drive dogs, have a look at some videos on them it's definitely something to consider, good luck with the lurcher
@@moochersways8595 thanks for the reply. You know I actually have one that I used for my lab when he went a bit deaf in later life (could have been stubborn!!). Just a little click and it stopped him straying too far out of whistle distance. So never really thought about it for stopping a prey driven dog. With the lab the idea was a low setting so he felt it and looked to me for instruction rather than a deterrent as such. Do you use it in the same way to get attention or do you use them on a higher setting to actually stop the chase? I'm ok with either if it allows her to be off the lead. Not adverse to her chasing rabbits in bushes but need to ensure sheep other dogs etc. are safe.
Hello mate search for a video called "purdeys progress" by dave sleight he shows everything you need to know.....I'm sure it's on youtube its an excellent video.....he shows it better than I could🤣
My girl is 5/8 whippet 1/8 beddy 1/8 greyhound 1/8 collie stands 22 1/4 inch TTS she has been checking traps with me since she was 16 weeks old we are out every day she has took most fur and feather and marks well she has massive pray drive which made training harder but we got there she is by no means perfect but she is my companion and I wouldn't want to be with out her now
I had a 25%grey 75%apbt and by far the best field dog I’ve ever had, single handed done tens of badger and hundreds of fox in his life, now I just work with apbts as I never work rabbits anymore
Apbt calling and place in this world is in the hand of a hunter. Incredible workers
@@littlewigglemonster7691 the American “pit” bull terrier has one true place in this world and as much as people don’t like to hear it and would like to hide from the truth, that place is in the pit.
Had lurchers for a long number of years. Best one ive ever had is a beddy/whippet X collie/greyhound who is still with me at 14 years old. Not as quick as he once was but then neither am i 😂. Great video mate
Age gets to us all mate🤣 I bet you had some good times with him hope he's enjoying the sofa now👌 thanks for watching
Had some excellent nights an Early mornings out with him over the years still enjoys getting out for a run then curls up in front of the log fire an sleeps all day lol..keep up the good work pal 👍
Agreed. The faults in any dog ate usually a reflection of the faults in the owners. I've learned that the hard way, being impatient, always comparing a dog to others, being to quick to condemn or judge a dog. Two mistakes I definitely think many make starting out is not putting enough time into training and especially stock breaking and jumping and getting through gates or over fences etc......and secondly not putting any effort into fitness. An unfit dog is like an unfit fighter.
Patience, training and fitness.
💯 mate.....everyone mucks up there first dog in one way or the other.....we've all been there.....its them lads that never ever learn and just blame the dog or what's in it, usually see all the failures up for sale, sad really as usually its only idiots who end up buying them then it's a visious circle of the dog getting passed from pillar to post and never being any good
Fitness is really important saves injury and a frustrated dog for sure
I agree 100%. Any lurcher cross will work to some extent,a lot depends on how the dog is trained. I would say the same goes for other working dogs too like collies and kelpies. How much time and understanding of what is needed in terms of training is a bigger factor than the genetics. Any herding breed can herd if enough time is put in and any lurcher will hunt. Some will get the concepts quicker sure enough.
I'm getting a bull greyhound . In a month or so can't wait
Good luck with the new dog👌👍
not my account but al comment av got 6 dogs 3 of which are lurchers av got a colly cross a Norfolk lurcher and a first cross gray ,, bull and hes the boy does anything asked of him never turns his nose up from rabbits rats to fox n badger my first ever bull cross and hands down the best dog av ever had since i got my first dog at age of 8 so in 30 year hes been my best
Another great video, refreshing to hear from someone who knows and understands that you only get out of a dog what you put into to it. Ive always had Collie/Greyhound, both beardie and border in various dilutions... but totally agree that any mix or bloodline of lurcher can be fantastic if trained and entered correctly. Unfortunately there are just so many idiots out there who have no idea how to train and actually respect their dogs, they are just sold on to other people the same and passed from pillar to post! Its a real shame
But great video... very wise words!
Yes that's the trouble people just stick a lurcher in a pen then expect it to do the job flawlessly with no effort on there part...then try and sell there failures on, its a shame these characters are in the game
So far I'm only half way into this an I couldn't agree more with what your saying. 👍
Absolutely bang on
Ive always got mine from the decent traveller's, obviously working stock , the best a rhodesian ridgeback x greyhound, fast powerful and intelligent , 2nd, saluki whippet x greyhound very fast but took longer to train but never ran out of steam, 3rd bull greyhound just a superb temperament and deer catcher 4th bedlington whippet clever and hard as nails, all lived very long lives, i now have another bull grey thats hare quick and still learning his trade
Saluki whip grey is what I run turned out a handy dog
A good dog is a good dog, no two ways about that.
Whether we should be calling anything with a bit of greyhound or whippet in it, a “lurcher” is a different matter. Sometimes a cross is just a cross, and a mongrel is just a mongrel, no matter how well it hunts. The names we give them have more to do with our egos than their performance.
In a farming culture, a “working dog”, is a herding dog. A stock dog. A drover’s dog. The Greyhound-Working-dog cross had two attributes that were historically vital.
1. A high level of trainability. These were not “point-and-shoot” dogs for running under the lamp. They had to be discreet. They had to work quietly, whether it was a quick circuit of a field to flush hares into snares set in the hedge, or snaffling a hen on command as the traveller’s wagon passed the farmyard and the farmer wasn’t about. They had to stay out of sight when required.
2. Deniability. Lurchers originated - as far as we can tell - at a time when owning Greyhounds for hunting was restricted. A rough-coated collie-marked dog is far easier to pass off as “a sheepdog with a bit o’ leg… they breed them that way over at……” than any of the short-coated sporting-dog crosses.
I’ll say it again. A good dog is a good dog. It’s just a pity that we lose the history and meaning of “Lurcher” by common error.
I think people have just created what they want in a running dog having more scope to do so than the old days.....back then you'd dare not keep a lurcher or sighthound if you were a farm labourer without the threat of the dog having toes removed or you losing your job and home.....but yes your right they were more discreet types that did a bit of everything, I guess over time they've developed more of a range of crosses to people preferences, whether you want to class them as lurchers is down to you, after all a lurcher isn't a breed anyway it's a type so technically anything crossed with a sighthound could fall under the name.......thanks for watching and thanks for your comment👌👍
I have 2 lurchers abit of a mash up in breeds bull grey collie whippet saluki both sisters great recall off lead have run round mad 10 minutes one whistle and they back to heel whilst off lead so I love these dogs aslo I have a beddy whippet little boy who's 6 mths at moment he retrieves but still a pup so plays alot but that's what pups do
Someone in the sane wavelength as myself. 👍👌
I just ramble on🤣 but always good to see what other people think/prefer in the comments👌 thanks for watching👍
I got saluki greyhound bull mastiff. She's pretty good. Can't let her near cats though.
@@duncanscott2781 mine isn't too keen on cats either🤣
Well said mate
Firstly I agree with what you say, very honest!
But in my world Beddy Whippets are not lurchers they are cony dogs (terriers crossed Whippets).
I could be very wrong but will always be cony dogs to me lol
I don't disagree with you.....I just used all the dogs/lurchers/types as an example......theyl all do the same if bought on right👌👍
Spot on 👌
Brilliant video mate 👏🏽
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching 👌👍
I myself think the saluki cross gets bad press because alot of them pass hands to many times sold at the end of each season to a different owner.
That's just what I think.?
@user-ub8ve6eu7c your right mate the trouble with saluki blood is I think you need to get a good bond with them they deffo not the type you can just stick In A pen and then expect them to perform.....good dogs if you put the time in with them
Well said young un cunna av put it better myself 👍as you know like i always say you only get out wat you put in , and you defo canna eat rossettes 😂
Are there any that are better in cold conditions? Not live but hunt and walk comfortably in canadian winters?
There are lurchers that have good coats on them.....but they've all really been bred for the types of conditions of a winter in the UK I doubt any of them would hold up to a Canadian winter, but you could probably create a lurcher with a better coat to do it by crossing something in with a coat designed for cold weather
Talked sense there
I've owned bull & greyhound brilliant dogs, caught hares, munkjack, best bitch i owned saluki,collie,whippet,greyhound,caught me everything
I'm running a saluki whippet grey turned into a good alrounder.....how'd you find the collie in the mix? Added a bit of brain I'd imagine?
@moochersways8595 I didn't do nothing hard on my dog till she was 24 months she was a hare dog she would walk to heal, brilliant on the slip jump fences pull 🦌 roe she caught 9 hares 1 night best dog I owned 👍
Makes no difference what dog you got if it's not trained right from the start, also it's no good running deerhound x greyhound when ferreting around hedges either, get the right type of cross for the work you will be doing it's as simple as that really. Personally i don't see the point of a saluki heavy dog unless you are going to be doing a lot of coursing, a whippet x greyhound x collie mix will usually be good for any type of rabbiting and if you want a good marking dog then stick a cross with a good nose into the mix, but like i said at the beginning, training is key!
Collie greyhound half cross is the best .
Brilliantly said mate
Thanks👍👌
@Moochers Ways all good mate
Anyone give any advice. We've inherited (a few months ago) what seems to be a greyhound/wheaten terrier lurcher... tied up and abandoned by gypsies, broke free and I took it in as I couldn't see her go into a rescue centre. I'm not a lurcher bloke, country boy done a bit of beating but my dogs have all been pets (labrador and now a staffy cross). I can't let the lurcher off (long lead with harness to save her neck when not on a short lead/collar). She's about three. Done a bit of recall on lead and in an enclosed space but any prey comes in sight and she's gone. Any site/scent stuff I can do within these limits? Just looking to keep her happy and mentally challenged. Cheers
Hello mate.....this will probably cause a bit of controversy but I would consider trying an e collar.....used correctly they are a great training aid for high prey drive dogs they can really help with recall and even stock breaking with older, stubborn and high prey drive dogs, have a look at some videos on them it's definitely something to consider, good luck with the lurcher
@@moochersways8595 thanks for the reply. You know I actually have one that I used for my lab when he went a bit deaf in later life (could have been stubborn!!). Just a little click and it stopped him straying too far out of whistle distance. So never really thought about it for stopping a prey driven dog. With the lab the idea was a low setting so he felt it and looked to me for instruction rather than a deterrent as such. Do you use it in the same way to get attention or do you use them on a higher setting to actually stop the chase?
I'm ok with either if it allows her to be off the lead. Not adverse to her chasing rabbits in bushes but need to ensure sheep other dogs etc. are safe.
Yep.
I think that he has covered everything about lurches and think people should should listen to what what he saying
And those that buy grown dogs, i mean unless you know the dog and owner and have seen it work its not worth it.
Your 100% right mate not worth the risk....and it's very rare that a good working dog is for sale anyway more than likely it'll be a failure 🙈
Can you make a training video im new to the lurchers and i have a 8 month old ready to learn
Hello mate search for a video called "purdeys progress" by dave sleight he shows everything you need to know.....I'm sure it's on youtube its an excellent video.....he shows it better than I could🤣
@@moochersways8595 ok thank you ill watch it
My girl is 5/8 whippet 1/8 beddy 1/8 greyhound 1/8 collie stands 22 1/4 inch TTS she has been checking traps with me since she was 16 weeks old we are out every day she has took most fur and feather and marks well she has massive pray drive which made training harder but we got there she is by no means perfect but she is my companion and I wouldn't want to be with out her now
Boot for terraine tho 😌
Doris is being an A.hole an marking my shoes because she wants a dum by wslk
I'm sure she a bum northinbtip
You have to sit with a dog. Proper you can't just turf it in because inspired a gerry
I used to have an Hellie that thumped ducks it was such a twally but I never hid it from a stick
I dont like any collie cross! Grew with a touch off feather!
Each to there own ain't it👌
If there is bull in them they are complete dirt.
Iv never really been interested in bull blood.....but each to there own I guess
For bigger quarry the bull is a must
@@p00ky81 stop being silly