Socialist Doesn't Understand the Bible (A Response Video)
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2023
- I am well aware that, to most people, this video will not matter...and many will not watch this video. I'm also aware that there are those who will send some hate my way for what I say here.
But I cannot ignore this one.
Today we're looking at a Socialist trying to use the Bible to prove that Jesus and Christianity as a whole, is socialist in nature. In the end though, all they prove is that they do not understand The Bible or Christianity.
"Socialism is peaceful and doesn't promote violence."
Everyone east of the center of Berlin: ... You what?
Anyone from the left or far left that says this is a liar and a hypocrite. In fact, all of what the Left seeks to destroy, they very much become it:
Eradicating racism through racism, annihilating bigotry through bigotry, ending corruptive power through corruption, seeking peace through violence and assault, telling people to wake up and see the truth by ignoring the truth and rewrite history or twist the truth. That is the cycle of all sides!
@@ulfberht4431same can be said from anyone from the far right , history has proved time and time again that extreme ideologies are horrible
In all honesty, when you look at how such groups maintain their power, there is very little difference between them. Tyranny is tyranny, no matter the justification.@@olakpasa6486
@@olakpasa6486 no it cannot. Because nobody on the far right claims the "real right" is always peaceful.
It's not only the violence that's the problem here. Violence is inevitable wherever vice exists.
It's the outright denial of reality
We fought for our Freedom from a Dictatorship. Don't twist things.
Socialist completely misunderstands what "meek" means.
To be meek is to be humble, peaceful, patient.
It refers to people who have the strength and will to enact revolution when mistreated, but CHOOSE not to, and instead take on the burdens of life without complaining or lashing out. Just like Christ showed in His example: He carries the cross and marches as the Lamb for the sacrifice, even though He could easily command a legion of angels to aid.
That's meekness.
The exact opposite of revolutionary socialism.
"Socialist doesn't understand." Fixed the title for you
"Socialists doesn't understand anything". Fixed your fix
@@MrKratos90”socialists don’t understand” there I fixed your fix fix
@@fisherninjajk7261 Socialism, just don't. There perfect! :)
Capitalism is an economic model.
Not something one should base morality on.
It's just that, an economic model. Economy. Not morality, not social order, nothing else besides money.
Also I love how a socialist's understanding of the Bible is resumed to cherrypicking verses that fit their ideology without reading the rest of the chapter.
The interesting thing though is that during the Cold War and the existence of the Soviet Union both sides had the "moral social order" argument in their propaganda.
@@denniszaychik8625 Well...tbf the U.S. is usually fighting wars from the moral high ground.
I mean they only officially joined WW1 after Lusitania was sunk and WW2 after Pearl Harbor
@@Shiftinggers They same "moral high" ground that they used to explain their hatred for the Soviet Union. My point still stands. Also the number of wars that the US fought or caused without any moral high ground is far greater.
Problem. And this is also the problem with socialism, but I'm a different way,
The question of the economy is a fundamentally moral question. You cannot answer any economic problems without taking morality into account.
The error many capitalists make is in assuming this is not true. The error all socialists make is in assuming their abhorrent morality is acceptable. So both sides have trouble here.
There are some capitalists who believe their system is morally righteous, but they are a topic onto themselves
@@Shiftinggersthis is massively untrue.
The only just war the united States has fought in the last century is *maybe* WWII. Though that's impossible to know because the history of that war is entirely controlled by the parties that got us into it.
The Lusitania and pearl harbor were both engineered tragedies. That is, the United States intentionally acted to provoke both attacks.
If I bait you into punching me in the face, that punch is by definition not unprovoked.
Shout out to you bro. I think its about time we all stand up.
Christianity is the only religion thats acceptable of mockery in the mainstream. Literally every other religion is protected.
I've seen plenty of Jew jokes. But yes, I noticed that.
@@SuperSwordman1 they exist but it's widely looked down upon, to the point where they have a term. . . Anti $emitism
@@Loriddian good point
@@SuperSwordman1 celebs who joke about jews are called “anti semetics” for it, celebs who joke about christianity are encouraged and same with general people wym
At this point I'm not even mad at the jokes, I'm just disappointed
It’s again not Christianity or the Bible but the reader who doesn’t actually study it whilst reading it
The person who wrote this article is trying expose the hypocrisy of the entire religion of Christianity by showing 6 Bible verses, out of the 31,102 verses that make up both the New and Old Testament. That’s like trying to quench someone thirst with 2 drops of water. Literal Drops in a bucket. And not only that, but both removing context from these verses, but even providing BLATANTLY WRONG context to confuse the readers.
Long rant here, not about Raven, but about the article. I say this as a stanch political and ideological conservative, saying "the Bible supports X political ideology" is utter cringe and is wholly unjust to God as his message is NOT some political, economic, or social message on governance and policy, but a divine revelation on the nature of the world and mankind. Taking the words of Jesus Christ and twisting them to suit Socialism (even though there are plenty of people in the Bible who God himself deem good or even perfect even though they were wealthy like Job and Boaz), is sickening. But what can you expect from an athestic socialist?
-Yes, the Bible's moral teachings can inspire certain political or economic views, politics and religion are both interwined to morality after all, but to say that the Bible supports Socialism? I ask you, where is it in the first 500 years of Christian theology were Socialism was explicitly induced by the church? None of the early creeds, councils, confessions, or catecisms even bring up wealth redistribution or the role of government in the economy or private property vs state owned goods at all. If you rebuttal is, "well the church hid this knowledge from the people as a means to oppress them", then I have to ask, have you ever read any of the early Christian thinkers at all? From Jesus to the disciples, from the disciples to the early church fathers who were taught directly from them (some of them being contempories to Christ himself), none of them advocated for the destruction of private property or wealth redistribution. If Christ was advocating for Socialism, then we should count him as the worst Socialism activist in human history.
-Furthermore, Socialism is a MODERN political ideology that was invented and promoted throughout its early history by atheists! Hendi de Saint Simon, Auguste Comte, Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, Loen Trotsky, Mao Zedong, etc., were all Socialist Atheists. So how is it that God himself would advocate for a political ideology that would become known to the world through unbelieving atheists, many of whom attacked Christianity openly and vehemently? I guess God is so fed up with the church that he now pushes atheists to do his bidding.
-Having read Ludwig Von Mises, Murry Rothbard, and other proponents of free market enterprise (misnamed capitalism by Marx), I can say with certainty that free market enterprise is not at all sinful. People who say that it is likely don't understand free market enterprise or are simply being dishonest. It is NOT the wealth that poisons the person against God, we were poisoned long before we held mass wealth and manisons. Wealth merely excites the preexisting sinfulness within certain individuals. Again, the Bible calls Job perfect, even as he was the wealthiest man in the land. Greed, pride, lust, gluttony, and envy are aspects that excite sinfulness within man, some are more tempted by lust than greed, other by sloth than wrath. If simply having wealth is enough to bar a man from salvation, than how can we accurately interpret John 3:16-20, where Jesus himself says that he is the only means for salvation? The article clearly rests on faulty logic and an ignorance on what Christ is teaching.
ANd this verse about a rich man not getting into heaven is why it's important when citing the Bible to look at a couple other verse around the target verse, as they often give full context to what's being said. THe SOcialist tries using this verse to justify not being rich as a necessity to get into heaven, yet ignores the verse after that adds more context that it's not through the methods of Man that one can get into Heavan, but only through God. Jesus wasn't condenming rich people as not being able to get to Heavan, but that the rich man's money was his idol over God. COntext for citing the Bible is very important people. Epecially if you look at the more historically focused Old Testament, there's many verses of someoen saying something wrong, and some fool could easily just crack open a Bible, read what that person said and say "See, the Bible mentions this thing", be led atray, while a more sensible person woudl read more of the verses and see the cited verse was just someone saying something false, while a prophet or God might then say something actually true to correct the person.
As long as you respect other people's religions I respect you Raven Love from Indonesia
when did you guys do that?
@@marsaeternum1003 As an atheist myself I do not care what religion you choose to practice , I really don't care , my gripes with religion and the people that practice it is that many of them use quotes taken out of context to validate themselfs , just like the author of the article does.
Now , if you manage to get your hands on scientifically proven information I will admit I'm wrong.
@@olakpasa6486 sounds like you just hate religious people but don't want to admit it
@@marsaeternum1003 here
When I saw this in the discord I felt my stomach hurt at the fact that politics were now taking shots at religion. The two should never mix at all as one seeks to exploit the foolish and naive and the other tries to guide to enlightenment. Im happy your addressing this and at the same time I am sorry you deal with people who attack your religion
I'm not a man of faith but I do belive that politics and religion are not to be mixed , history has demonstrated time and time again why this is a VERY bad idea
@@olakpasa6486yep, religion and politics in the past well there's goes all types of shit flying left, right, up, down, all around
Politics and religion will always be mixed, to a point. It is unavoidable.
Politics mixes itself with anything and everything regardless of what it is, politics are an unavoidable type of thing.
Even as a Norse Pagan, we get people over on our end who get quite a bit wrong about the old gods and the ways of the people who followed them back then. This was a very detailed and informative video, and I always do enjoy listening to your videos. Keep up the good work.
If people still gripe about the out of know here Sermons and ravens oppressive faith after this video than I don’t know what to tell them also good video :)
More stuff like this screw those other guys
As a babtist and someone who have grown up church you have gained my upmost resect for 1 being a christian and 2 for defending our faith. The article doesn't surprise me at all lol. Also i love your videos especially the for honor and how you go into how it would work irl.
Damn this is just upsetting people really need to learn history. Keep it up dude
Look , I get what you are trying to say here , but I , myself , do not consider the Bible history , there are little to none concrete evidences to prove that the stories there were real
@@olakpasa6486 of course I understand what you mean I just consider myself Christian and I used the wrong words
@@kryptdude1337 it's OK dude , hope I didn't come of as rude
@@olakpasa6486 no your fine
@@olakpasa6486 I mean archeology keeps vindicating the Bible at every turn, and especially the New Testament is considered to be the most well attested series of documents from the ancient world.
Bro we're Christians we will always be mocked and belittled by the masses but never EVER let that discourage you for even a moment but instead let it light a fire under you to be the best Christian you can be no matter what anybody says or thinks about you..
What are you talking about? Christians are still a huge majority.
I had to watch this one in chunks because everything this guy says had me angry with how much he misconstrues the points being made in the holy book. You make excellent points throughout, but one point set me off about the first quote.
Socialists have a problem with conflating the voluntary act of charity (giving to others) with the forceful government-led redistribution of wealth. Giving of yourself unto others is a good deed. Robbing somebody to give to others is generally not. These are not the same thing.
Also with quote 5. You make an excellent point, but I would like to ask this writer, "What socialist government has been peaceful or non-imperialist?" If you go to eastern Europe and tell a Pole or a Ukrainian that socialists are either of those things, they would be liable to either laugh at you or start a brawl.
@@trainheartnet5657
What makes it funnier too is how Socialism, Marxism specifically paraded itself as an ideology to end religion, which Marx believed to be a coping mechanism for the working class. It's inherently anti theist yet these people try to make it out as if Christ adheres to it, even when it's an entirely materialist ideology.
Stuff like this is why I became Orthodox. This is the kind of nonsense you get when you ignore centuries worth of writings and theology from people far wiser and holier than we'll ever be.
Of course, they were holier.
There was no social media.
Always great to to find another Orthodox😁
how would denomination protect you from intentional bad actors
I'm a Catechumen myself, and will be baptized into the Greek Orthodox Church soon. It is true that much of the wisdom of our ancestors is lost on these most recent generations, and that is why we must pray for them to learn the truth and accept it in their hearts. Remember, God's mercy is from all ages and to all ages, so no matter how depraved this world becomes, there is always hope for the faithful.
Orthodoxy has many problems of its own.
0:27 thats sad to hear but i hope you know there are also those to like and respect, your work and content is awesome!
When the communists gained power in Russia, they tried their best to end Christianity there by nolifing the very Christians there, there’s even a quote by Stalin lamenting that Christianity will survive “unfortunately” due to the babushka (elderly women) fortunately, the Orthodox Church stood strong against this time of horror and today is stronger than ever, still, if communism really is so similar to Christianity why all this? They can’t answer that, to be fair, most of them don’t even know enough about communism to figure out they are THE kulaks, their manchild brain are more enamoured by the idea of the Utopia called “communism” rather than actually understand the complexity of economics, private property the will of someone wanting someone else to inherit their property, and I could go on all night long, so I’ll stop with etc.
Bless you for videos like this, debunking apostates such is a must to all true believers but more importantly by speaking of the word you bring his word to those who do not know it.
This was great, We must be weary to not distort The Truth to fit our own truths, because the truth of the flesh is against The Truth of The Spirit, which yearns for cleansing and clarity both can be found in the Lord. Amen
Was literally just thinking about how I couldn’t wait for your next video then bam here you are.
“If I didn’t know any better I’d think you were flirting with me.” Solair
Props for defending your faith
Work hard to earn what is due, defend whats yours, give what you can when you can and finally dont be a dick your whole life.
Thanks for listening to my TED Talk summerising Christian teachings.
“Agnostic atheist”, that is a contradiction. Agnostic do believe in something that can be identified as a higher power but don’t give it a name. Atheist don’t believe in any form of higher power. This article writer don’t know what they’re talking in many ways this being the start of it.
The way I've understood agnosticism and atheism is that the first deals with if you can know if gods exist, while the later is if you believe they do exist.
So an agnostic atheist do not believe that we can know if gods exists, but do not believe that they do exist.
You've earned a subscriber! Keep up the good work.
Thanks for this Raven Knight! really appreciate being reminded about Jesus
very much appreciate this video, going to share it anywhere i can :)
Great video Raven keep up the great work.
I love how outgoing you are about the truth of Christianity my brother! God bless and I'll see you with Jesus one day!
In all fairness, socialists often don’t seem to truly understand much of anything.
13:16 If you were to make a video where it was just a sermon on that verse then I would definitely watch it.
Raven knight i have watched you for a little while now you Are a champ im a new for honor player
Funny thing is that socialism is it's own theosophy. Combination of gnosticism and hermeticism, apparently.
God bless brother
Gnosticism/Agnosticism refers to knowledge, meaning a gnostic/agnostic is stating they have/lack knowledge of the existence of the supernatural.
Atheism is a lack of belief, meaning when an atheist says that is what they are they are stating they lack belief in the existence of the supernatural.
So, while it sounds a bit strange, it would be linguistically sound to say a person is an agnostic atheist, agnostic theist, gnostic atheist, gnostic theist.
That said, once again, GREAT video.
This last line fired me up. Ave Cristus Rex!
Praise Be
Now for the most important question, In Elden Ring do you pick Halberd or Mace?
halberd
Bible study with the Raven Knight. Heck I'd like to hear him teaching sermons on Sundays. Rock on good Ser!
wait on jesus being a revoiutionary correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it said by pontius pilate multiple times that the charges against him were complete bs
Wait you have a discord?
Stephanie Leguichard: "Anti war values are central socialism."
Me, the Polack and Khokhol: "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"
Being a french socialist, seeing an artical made about the bible feels wierd.
The bible is one of the most ancient text that ever existed with the Ancient Testament being pre-christian era (antiquity to 0 A.C.), at a time when both the concepts of socialism, capitalism, communism and other modern ideologies weren't concepts. To take this text, put it out of context and add to it a political dimension (no matter if it is left or right) is both pointless and wrong. Spirituality shouldn't be associated such political agendas.
Such articals are one of the many reasons that socialism has a bad image today (besides the rampant radicalism and false marxism). It shows the lack of understanding of many texts and concepts in society, that is then applied to militantism. In short, people today want to be so political that they will take anything that they can use to pass their biased message, regardless of if they understand it or not.
I remember my lessons in history classes teaching me what socialism used to be (in France). It was an ideology that fought for the rights of the workers, which added work place safety, payed vacations, better protection of the workers and their families, upgraded healthcare, etc. Now, what I see of socialism is a false feeling of victimism, mixed with militantism and intolerance. We lost the focus on workers, families and the people, to focus on a "oppressor vs oppressed" dynamic, which is a naive idea of the world spread further by people that read Carl Marx and didn't stop to think for a minute about his ideas, and the context of his ideas.
Today, christianity needs to be respected as it is : a religion. It is not a community that is made of oppressors, but people with their own beliefs, that decided to follow a God.
Politics today are being merged with everything, even to the extent of what they are merged with.
Anyway, love to y'all and take care!
You have a missing part at 18:13
People who Identify as Agnostic Atheist as from what I know are people who know there is a god but choose not to believe in it…
So… you know God is real.. but you choose to not believe in him? The fact these people exist makes me even more strong in my faith. It is a wrong moral quote, but it has good intentions, but i live with a phrase “If the Devil exists, then God is real.” And by all means these people make me understand that the Devil is here, and so is God
If I remember correctly, isn't that the great unforgivable sin? Denying God and his presence when you know he is true and real?
I simply cannot belive , I'm a man of science , I just cannot wrap my head around the concept of a god , I do not belive in a higher order.
Now , I do not condone the mockery good Christians endure from time to time (key word good) so that's how that works , atleast for me.
@@olakpasa6486 as a man of God, I pray for your soul
As a human, I respect your choices, your beliefs, and your courtesy to acknowledge us
My understanding from before I found my Faith was that agnostic atheist ment that you don't know, but choose not to believe. In this usage, gnostic/agnostic is a signifier of of the person's certainty in their position.
What bibleversion did you use?
Wait what’s his discord? I’d like to join it.
That's what I'm saying
@@collinnicolazzo2065it’s in his about page
Basically Jesus highlighted what his fellow ethnic group is doing.
Agnostic Atheist?
The art of thinking has been lost to a lot of my generation
To be fair how many do understand? I was raised as Jehovahs witness and while i chose not to pursue that path any further, i can only see myself to be christian. Raven can i also get an opinion on Jw? Seems interesting. Funny thing which my mother told me, one time they asked someone if they read the bible: person said yes, so they asked whether they read Genesis 1:1, person said ah no havent reached that vers yet. That basically sums up how many people treat that good ol book, have it on their shelf like a lucky charm but have never read its contents and try to understand it, though to be fair again there is plenty of metaphorical stuff so if you dive in there with no clue to start with then that also quite tough.
Amen
I am a Devout Christian, someone has been harassing me about my religion, I need help
Christ is 👑
as an agnostic I can speak up abit here and an agnostic either does not know or does not care one can believe one religion is true but refuse to practice it in that scenario if they refuse to act on it they would qualify as an agnostic (personally I believe quite a few religeons are right but don't follow any of them as I'm 1 not too spiritual myself and 2 prefer to drift as I do)
atheist on the other hand is a firm no it's all untrue
how do you believe several religions are right at the same time?
@@ericboom1712 they contradict less than you;d think
@@marley7868 which ones do you believe in?
@@ericboom1712primarily abrahamic with a heavy interest in shinto druidism and basically spiritual beliefs pertaining to the locality and and nothing to grand but I'm willing to hear most religions out either way just not willing to join a camp
@@marley7868
You cannot simultaneously believe in all Abrahamic religions. As the Bible puts it, "No one comes to the Father except through me", the only way to God is through Christ. No one else. God bless you.
I follow a few atheists on youtube, most of them define themselves as not believing in a god or gods. Not believing there is no god or gods. As one explained, an agnostic atheist would be someone who doesn't know if there is a god but don't believe the evidence they have been given.
But from my understanding, atheism is just as much a spectrum as any religion so I can't speak to what the author actually believes.
Why the cute nun avatar? I am being confused.
My friend Hannah, who draws most of the art for my channel, often likes to draw me as a girl to joke around. In this instance, she drew me as a nun. To advertise her art, and to let my avatar connect more with the Christian discussion, I used the nun avatar.
@@RavenKnightYT Ooh, I was suprised because when I watched you back in the day I doesn't saw such things on the channel, but she really did a great job it is a very cute character. :)
Based Raven is Based
Without context or basic bibllical knowledge, you can make the bible say anything.
Interesting attitude. Very unbecoming.
why do you humor these apostates?
i’m sorry
Sir, there is no apologies you need to give because of this video.
In a better world, the parasites that write these kinds of articles would be begging for your forgiveness, if they had a shred of decency in them.
But this is socialism we’re talking about, so abandon all hope ye who enter here.
Respect for all religions? HA! If you have respect for something, you don't try to twist it into something it's not.
Why did you record in a tin can in the beginning of the video.
Why did you ask a question that's irrelevant to the video?
@@RavenKnightYT because it was funny.
@@RavenKnightYT Better mic quality leads to a better audience, maybe he just trying to help.
(At least... That's how I took it.)
@@Sir.Fithers no I was just making a joke because this is the youtube comment section.
@@Hornetog9vp oh
You know perfectly well the parable of the talents isn’t about money. And Jesus certainly preached against lending money at interest which is arguably what investment is. We should be wary of characterizing trading as investment or taking parable literally. Christianity is certainly not in favor of capitalism. It is in favor of no human system. Only God.
I'm aware of what it was actually about, but I'm using that as an example of how God views a relationship concerning money in his analogy. I'm sorry you didn't understand what I was going for I'm used to that. Don't worry about it. But you clearly didn't watch to the end of the video where I said clearly what the government of Christianity is. I would first watch all the way to the end of my video before casting judgement...
Y’all really down with exodus? Leviticus? If so, y’all need a new story book.
MAGA✝️🇺🇲
First to like and comment. Nice
Fliging commi
Not only are your points correct, but this idiot who wrote the article doesnt know Jewish culture
For example the turn the other cheek
When it comes to that time, you to chastise someone with a backhand by the right hand (not the palm because the palm was considered an attack, and was not accepted)
Now in jewish culture the left hand was reserved for unclean things
So by turning the other cheek, you are challenging the person to slap you again, but this time they would HAVE to use the left hand so therefore they would be admitting that what they were doing was unclean
It wasnt submission but defiance
well you see Technically an Atheist is someone who doesn't believe in a god, while an Agnostic is someone who doesn't believe it's possible to know for sure that a god exists.
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The only thing you should do with a Bible is ... look at it from a historical Perspective. Nothing else.
This takes me back to gamergate days. I was kinda interested at first but I'm sorry man, this is just too silly for me.
Btw I watched up to agnostic atheist. And agnostic atheist is an atheist that doesn't make a positive claim that god doesn't exist, he is atheist from a perspective of lack of belief. A GNOSTIC atheist is what you say is an atheist, a person who makes the positive claim that god indeed doesn't exist.
Agnostic doesn't really refer to religion, the term only pertains to knowledge towards a given subject. Gnostic (γνώση) means knowing, and the A in greek indicates a negative so Agnostic means someone who lacks knowledge. So an agnostic atheist is an atheist that lacks certain knowledge about the existence of the supernatural but is not compelled to believe in it.
I just call myself a materialist (not a consumerist, that's entirety different). I don't even have to make any claim about the supernatural/nonempirical, I don't even have to say I lack faith.
Also admittedly I watched up to 4.39, but you seem like you haven't read any theory regarding socialism, communism, anarchism and generally structural and post structural leftist philosophy (pretty much all of it leftist btw). Now that's a somewhat baseless assumption from my end, but you already made a similar assumption about the writer (reading and studying le Bible) just from the title and 1 line from the start of the article, so I feel justified in treating you similarly, so I will say this is out of curiosity.
Now, I'm not saying read so you can be swayed to my Communist predelections, I have personally read fascistic manifestos and the wealth of nations (I don't want to bundle the together ideologically, fascism and capitalism are distinct ideologies separate from one another) but it doesn't mean I believe in any of that. For that matter I have studied the bible, coran, vedas, BHAGAVAD-GITA, some taoism, and some American indigenous "philosophy" which is more tied to religion and the myth. Guess what, I'm a materialist. It was good research though, and it led me to where I am today while making me more informed and knowledgeable. Anyway, read some Marx, Trotsky and lenin not so much they ended up being authoritarian loonies. But you could real some Frankfurt school, Hegel, Lacan, Zizek, prokofiev, Richard Wolff, Chomsky, Murray Bookchin. I could go on all day.
Anyway have a good life, thanks for reminding me what I left behind in 2017. We truly be living in a post-gamergate society.
I made it to 18:43, but I'm sorry I can't really justify watching more out of curiosity.
I assume you are a devout christian and that you either are a libertarian capitalist, or a neo conservative, or a centrist old fashioned libertarian. Or at least that might be what you call yourself, in reality you probably are a capitalist and an American so anything leftwards from obama might be too commie for you.
Anyway I think so far you are right Jesus was not in any way communist, I also think the article has some merit to it, mind you not a lot but the general sentiment is something to jump off and learn about different ideologies.
I take issue with a few things. Investing is a falacious term to use when talking about antiquity. Capital didn't exist back then, mercantile capitalism started sprouting in the late Middle ages which would be about 1.400 years later than Jesus. It is true people used to barter but that doesn't presuppose capital or capitalism, especially in an agrarian society. Trading is the right and only right word to use here, investing assumes capitalism which would mean that you also have ideological predelections when analyzing the bible. Also in what other ideology than capitalism is money "your god" in what other economical system do we worship money and profits more than in capitalism??? Well in truth there aren't other systems to compare it to, china is just state capitalism and pretty much ideologically fascistic. Same with North Korea. Well the Scandinavian countries have a form of socialism, social democracy, and prosperity, mental health stability, and overall living standards are notably higher than the rest of the eu and the us.
Anyway enough, I spent too much time on this.
I personally don't really care what you choose to consider me. Capitalist, Libertarian, or whatever. I am a devout Christian, however, but it may surprise you to know that I have actually read Marx and Lenin. I'm not quite as ignorant as you seem to think I am. However that's not what I take issue with. Your first comment was fair...and had you left it there, I wouldn't be writing this comment. Your follow up is what stood out to me.
You act as if you are an intellectual, but you jumped to an assumption about me based on...what exactly? I've listened to the ideologies of left and right wing politics. I even agree with some left wing talking points and ideas. I'm not without the ability to understand both sides of an issue...and no, left of Obama is not too 'commie' for me. You made this assumption because I was defending a faith from political labeling...something you even agree I was right about: that Jesus is not a communist or socialist.
But you step off of that and say *'...I also think the article has some merit to it, mind you not a lot but the general sentiment is something to jump off and learn about different ideologies.'* But the fact is that's not what the article writer was trying to do. If you had gone all the way to the end of the video, you would have heard the final part of the article where the writer straight up tries to shame conservative Christians about their faith. This article was not about exploring ideologies, but shaming existing ones through gaslighting. I'm surprised you are so okay with that. I assumed you were an intellectual based on how your initial comment was made.
Now, about what you take issue with, do you dispute the wordage of Matthew 25 then, where the words 'invest' and 'interest' were both used? I was using a biblical example to show that Jesus had no problem with those who invested money or made more money. I do not have ideological predilections, I'm using the Bible's own language and drawing a conclusion.
You then ask what other ideology worships money as god aside from Capitalism. This proves that YOU approach Capitalism with your own predilections. To quote Jesus: “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.'
I definitely agree that you wasted your time. I don't care what political leanings you have, though I can already tell clearly what they are. I don't care if you agree or disagree with my take on this terrible article. What's hilarious to me is that your comments amount to this: "Your video annoys me, and though I can't say you're wrong, I'm going to try my hardest to talk down to you." My proof? In one sentence you summed up all I needed to know: *'Anyway I think so far you are right Jesus was not in any way communist, I also think the article has some merit to it, mind you not a lot but the general sentiment is something to jump off and learn about different ideologies.'* This can be best understood as a frustrated: "Yeah, you're right...but I don't like that you're right."
So I agree...you have wasted a fair amount of time to pout about my video. Kindly move on.
@@RavenKnightYT Ah yes I am clearly biased I don't deny that, I thought that was crystal clear from the get go. And in fact I don't think we can view subjects (capitalism, Christianity, socialism) like this without any dias as we are essentially talking about the critique of ideology. And thank you for clarifying your belief and that you have indeed read theory. I'm not entirely sure that you clarified your political beliefs sufficiently but I feel your general approach shows that you at least have some nuanced understanding of political theory.
Since I'm here I will say a few things. You are right this article should be viewed as partly political propaganda and there is a general tendency for the oldschool antitheist (unfortunately far right after gamergate) community and the left to shame christians. I myself am against shaming individuals for their religiosity, but I am diametrically opposed to the institution of the Evangelical American church. It is really disturbing to me to see mega pastors exploiting the common working class americans to essentially profit without having to pay tax. Your local church can be much more beneficial than any evangelical grifter that flies in a private jet and has a 20 bedroom mansion. The only reason to attack any belief of an individual actor is when that belief materially worsens their immediate interpersonal circle. Otherwise any religiosity is perfectly moral and fine.
Now, regarding my assumption, it is just that a mainly "vibes" based assumption from me subconsciously comparing you to creators that made or make similar styled content with you like Sargon of Akkad, armored skeptic, old school thunderfoot, an Irish or Welsh comedian dude that made alot of videos pretty much dissing the entire community of fat people, no bullshit, Mauler (i think). Now I'm not saying you are at all affiliated with those guys ideologically, but aesthetically the content that is being produced is very adjacent. Anyway all of them were part of gamergate and as you can probably tell I'm very much jaded by that whole style of concept and I bare some contempt for it. So I hope you can see how this has affected my assumption about your political leanings. And as I mentioned before I think you are in fact in no position to draw criticism on that because in this exact video you have made the assumption that the writer hadn't (sufficiently) read or and studied the Bible, it is phrased as "a genuine question" but that is just a common rhetorical tactic to avoid making a positive claim about a thing. The infamous "I'm just curious and asking questions" while fallaciously jibber jabbering towards an ideological end goal. Now you didn't do THAT, but you did essentially posit that you didn't believe the writer had studied the bible.
Now, what the bible says semantically is not really a subject that can be studied at face value, since the English version is really a translation of a translation of the bible (Hebrew, ancient Greek, English). Now since I'm greek I had the privilege of reading the bible in an iteration of ancient greek, but it admittedly has been a long time. But when discussing specific words I would say that it is safe to assume that some unintentional (or not) editing, not as in cutting or adding section, god no, but in the choosing what word to translate to what. Why I insist on "investing" being the wrong word to use instead of trading (or bartering if you prefer), is that investing has an ideological connotation that is akin to capitalism, and sociologically at the time capital was not a concept, nor was profit prime (here's some marxist terminology for you). Sure there was trade and traders, but that can exist without the existence capital. After all we did evolve from anarchic classless tribes with gift economies to hierarchical agrarian societies with BARTER economies and later surfs. In any case most people back then did not really care to make more than what they and their families needed since it would require extra labor.
I do think it's somewhat disingenuous to claim that you approach this subject objectively and drawing conclusions. The leap from bargaining/trading/bartering to investing cannot really be explained in a utilitarian sense, it is either ideologically based, or a semantic mistake.
In regards to the money is god thing, my rhetorical approach there wasn't really the best but it was indeed ideological. In fact you sounded very communist adjacent as well when discussing the "money is god" subject. But the deification of consumerism, capital acquisition, grind culture are direct by-products of capitalism. And yes even if government in theory have an unlimited supply of money, capitalism's inherent characteristic of creating and maintaining oligopolies and monopolies does infant result in the "rich" eliminating small local businesses, and creating worse minimum (or lower) wage jobs with usually no healthcare or bathroom brakes (*cough* Jeffrey *cough* Bezos). So I would say for the billionaires out there money is infact their god, in most cases not for middle upper class and lower, but for the top 1% that can actually affect global legislation and trade, money is god. Otherwise we wouldn't have to "cater to profit insentives" to combat climate change. God knows how many carbon credit tesla sells to oil barons for profit.
Anyway why am I writing all this. Frankly I do enjoy it very much. I find good faith civil dialogue stimulating. Infant I enjoyed reading your reply way more than the video, and I don't want to disrespect you, although I feel I already have from my previous comments so that would be disingenuous. But in all seriousness your rhetoric is very good, I feel like we are in politically divergent paths but whatever, we still had a discussion. I just think we are both at least unconsciously ideologically predisposed to have biases, that's why I like to make mine clear, I mean I literally said "swayed by my communist ways" haha.
Oh I remembered, effective altruism. Yes, well you didn't use the terminology but billionaires knowing how to use money to better the world through charity is effectively that. Well I generally don't believe in charity as the solution for widespread systemic poverty. It can be a bandaid solution, just like affirmative action but worse and it doesn't work in the long-run. I need to reread some stuff and generally delve back into some research but at this present moment I don't have the rhetorical tools to adequately posit my position on charity.
Anyway, I think I might just finish the vid finally, just to not be a dick about it and in the name of being civil in a discussion. You probably have better things to do you don't have to reply. It would ultimately detract from our daily lives. O.K. I gotta make some dinner and get my drunk ass of to bed. Goodnight and I genuinely enjoyed your admittedly abit snarky but sincere comment.
Cope, jesus was a proto socialist
XD He most certainly was not.
@@RavenKnightYT it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God
Maybe it's more accurate to say that socialists are the real Christians who live by real Christian virtues. The abolition of capitalism is a Christlike act. Capitalism is antithetical to the bible and to the words of christ. It teaches us to be callous and cruel to our fellow man, whereas socialism uplifts humanity
@@lukatosic09
I see you didn't watch the video. The ignorant are the agents of their own destruction.
@@ravenswritingroom no, I just disagree and hate the church
@@lukatosic09
First off, Jesus didnt discriminate against rich or poor. The quote you produced "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" doesnt mean rich people cant go to heaven because they're rich, they have a harder time entering it due to their focus on their worldly possessions which sometimes take over their focus over god.
"Maybe it's more accurate to say that socialists are the real Christians who live by real Christian virtues" Which virtues? Focusing on material wealth like what you are doing now does not seem like a virtue. And since you hate the church, i doubt you have any right to say that you are virtous.
"The abolition of capitalism is a Christlike act. Capitalism is antithetical to the bible and to the words of christ. It teaches us to be callous and cruel to our fellow man, whereas socialism uplifts humanity" What parts of capitalism that is antithetical to Christianity? Free markets? And how is socialism anything Christlike? The part about state ownership?
You have a missing part at 18:13
Yes it cut off a little too early, but it was just a closing statement, so it's fine.