Extra Credits Doesn't Understand Medusa (A Response Video)
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- čas přidán 22. 04. 2021
- Ya know, I wasn't actually planning on responding to EC anymore, but I saw this video and I couldn't stop myself...I just couldn't. As someone who really likes Greek mythology, I needed to address this and the issues in it. This won't be super lengthy like the last one, but I hope ya'll enjoy all the same.
Please subscribe if you haven't, like the video if you enjoyed, and leave a comment sharing your thoughts! - Hry
.... So... Extra Credits decided Medusa was good because she was depicted as good in one videogame that they liked, ignoring the fact that the game takes liberties with Greek myths? Wow.
"How many times we gotta teach you this lesson, old man?!"
Extra Credits: “I love the young people”
"Why do I have to make her a victim?" Because if Athena curses Medusa for being raped makes Athena, a typically female Godess, a bigmeaniedoodoohead and that's NOT okay because Wahman good, man bad.
I'm like "go head tell Athena 'no' you'll be in a cave like Medusa until some dumbass is tasked to kill you." Athena was supposed to be about women yet punished one for being a loyal servant and attacked by good O' Posidon acting like his big brother Zeus, hell we're lucky it wasn't Zeus since then Hera and Athena would be pissed at her.
Athena is a bitch she cursed a woman to be a spider because she bragged she was the best weaver
Well to Athena to punish Poesiden was out of the question because to Athena what Poesiden did was a mans nature.
This is an old comment, but the idea that Medusa was cursed to be a Gorgon doesn't gel with the fact she has two Gorgon sisters, unless they too were cursed, which is never mentioned in the myth where _she_ is. OSP actually addresses this in their Arachne video, pointing out that Medusa being cursed was an element that was added in a retelling by Ovid, who had major beef with authority and by extension the gods, so he was big on retelling stories to make the gods look _even_ _worse_ than they already did.
If the gods didn't fuck around with mortal women, 75% of the myths wouldn't have happened.
I mean, none DID happen, but that's not what I'm talking about.
The central theme of Ovid's work is "the gods are bastards"
@@Quarterspine143
Regardless if the myths were real or not, the point is these myths left a lasting legacy in the culture of Greece! Without them, the fantasy stories like Narnia, Percy Jackson etc would never have been possible!
Sounds like Extra Credits wants to get rid of the concept of "Evil" in mythology and pop culture and paint everything as either "good" or "neutral".
There's this common world view that's growing these days that evil does not exist as a concept. There is no pure evil or morally wicked. All people are naturally good, and if they do something that's wrong, it's all about the context behind why they did it. We only see evil as a subjective reality. I have always disagreed with this stance, and deep down I think EC knows it's untrue.
@@RavenKnightYT Extra credits loves to pull stuff out of their butts. You can't have the good without the bad or the light without the dark. Extra credits will learn the hard way in the end.
@@RavenKnightYT that idea is common to Marxism and is actually even more underwear on head retarded. All proletariat are naturally good and everything they do is naturally good, while all capitalists are fundamentally evil on all levels and must be murdered.
It's just that EC is trying to not say the quiet part out loud...and failing hard with their videogame vids. While this vid actually managed to keep from saying the quiet part out loud.
Slight correction. If you have different politics to them then you are irredeemably evil, regardless of circumstance, where as if you agree with them then nothing you do can be anything but morally right.
@@RavenKnightYT All of the greek gods were jerks that did anything they wanted. They love to mess with the mortals in sick ways why? Well it's because they felt like it, if you beat them fair and square at a challenge they will punish you because their a sore loser.
If one wants to learn on mythology and history, specifically Japanese mythology and history, but still like the Extra Credits style, I'd reccomend Linfamy, he's informative and entertaining.
"Sister, sisters, Athena has cursed me! She turned me into a hideous monster with supernatural powers!"
"Oh no, what a nightmare!"
"...Sorry."
honestly her getting bullied would be a funny set up
I lost faith in extra credits after the "you didnt ask to be a yazi in videogames" debacle
They lost all credibility in my book after the "games should be more expensive" video
When they said Kanji Tatsumi (Persona 4) is a good character simply because he's gay was when I said "Fuck this shit. I'm leaving".
(To makes matter worse, Kanji isn't even gay. Only into hobbies people are inclined to believe girls likes more than guys like sewing and he really likes cute things. Neither of those things make someone gay.)
@@brunnokamei9623 I hate that so much it's like people dont even try to actually understand the character his sexuality isnt the point just like how Naoto isnt trans they are just both seeking acceptance in a world the feel wouldn't accept them as they are.
@@mylesobrien7477 absolutely true. The thing most people don't understand about Persona 4 is that the shadow World gives a warped representation of what's real, he's not gay he just likes cute things but because that is seen as infeminate he is worried that people will see him as gay. He even questions if he is in fact gay and later rejects it especially when he finds out that the dude he was attracted to is a girl. It also ignores all the times he's visibly attracted to the female form.
Extra Credits doesn't realize Perseus doesn't know Medusa's story; he just told that she's a monster that's all
He was never told she was a fallen Priestess who was violated by Posiden
Extra Credits doesn't realize on many versions of Mythology there are I enjoy Extra Credits but sometimes the content gets questionable
Also he was trying to save his mom, so everything he did was with that intention
@@rgama1173 in addition literal gods showed up to not deter him but aid him so any moral failings are no longer his cause athena and others used him as a hitman
I have a sneaky suspicion they do know and have known this whole time but chose not to divulge these points because their audience would use fear-mongering tactics to get them off the internet!
Well, because originally she was just a monster, her being a victim is Ovid's addition
The idea of Athena blessed Medusa out of protection came from the 60s writers that attempt recon the uncomfortable idea that Athena the wisdom goddess would punish Medusa for being raped. This kinda circulated in certain circles on the internet and you can read more on this on Medua wikipage under feminism headings.
Ive always felt bad for Medusa, Girl just wants to go sleep in a cave and people keep coming along cutting off her head,
Also i feel like the stone-turning thing was a last minute addition when Athena realised "Oh crap, Humans are actually into the snake girls"
(I mean, Still a monster who killed tons of people and all that, But its the fact that it was in her "Im going to go sleep in this cave" moment that it happened that makes me feel bad)
The thing about the changed vissage being a "blessing" is something I heard as well. In that interpretation was where Athena gave that look to Medusa in so she never has to be touched by a man. So if you go with "it was a blessing route" you can't say it was "love at first sight"
Precisely.
If you go by the idea that Poseidon raped Medusa, the idea that Athena turned her into a monster to bless her makes a tiny bit of sense. It's more the angle of "It might look like I'm punishing you (and I am), but I'm also making sure no one can ever hurt you like that again." But this is would make more sense if they went with the idea that Medusa could activate her stone gaze at will (which she is able to do in nearly EVERY modern adaptation).
Sure, if we go the medusa was raped angle, it would have been a lot easier to see her as both a victim and her curse being a blessing...but that's not what EC did. XD Ironic that others can more easily do what they wanted to.
Funny thing is this whole idea of Medusa being human but turned into a gorgon was entirely the creation of one author and that was Ovid, who had an intentional political reason to do it as he opposed authoritarianism due to his treatment by the Roman emperor Augustus. It was not how she was viewed by the contemporaneous Greek people she was originally written by. Honestly the whole video is pretty weak but I still like their channel it's just that this one particular episode was really poorly done.
Didn’t the original myth of Medusa have be born a gorgon and the born a beautiful woman was added by Ovid.
Yes
Also, I think that the best way they could have gone with this is by framing it more as an interpretation of Hades Lore rather than a general myth.
I like how Extra credits keeps shooting their argoments in the foot
Things have gone way downhill since the days of Daniel Floyd and Carrie Floyd leaving EC
@@Sir_Alaskan and I hate this new art style they’re using for this video WHERES THE OG STYLE THIS LOOKS STUPID AND LAZY
You could also enterpret the mith like this. Ahtena did not turn her in to a monster she just ripped the fasade of her and revealed her true hidious personality. Later on she armed perseus with the knowledge of what medusa is realy like, that shielded perseus from medusas influence unlike other whitless men that had fallen pray to her charms. But extra credits feel the need to denegrate the hero and force simpathy for the monster, because deep down thats who they identify with. put simply, Chad hero bad, sociopathic monster good.
I think it's easier to list things Extra Credits understands than a list of things they don't understand in fact. I'll start it:
1) Advocating for anti-consumer practices;
...
If you know any other, please let me know.
I have heard maybe once the idea that Medusa's curse was a blessing (albeit a hidden one). Now this was told from a very specific perspective that after medusa was raped, Athena cast the curse so no man could hurt her again.
Now unlike EC, this was not made out to be a "view based of the translated story". The person I heard this from made it out to be a view that could be used in a kind of a modernized retelling or fantasy book kind of deal. In which Athena "blesses" Medusa so she wouldn't be attacked by gods and mortals after she wishes to leave because of the trauma she went through.
It baffles me how EC could say that based off the original texts that it was a blessing, rape or no rape because that was not how the Greek gods worked at all.
The one lesson of every myth “don’t F with the gods”
Out of curiosity I checked the EC video comments / like and dislike ratio and while the ratio is very positive, it is nice to see the comments are all atleast touching on "Erm...We get this is meant to be PG mythology but wow you got this wrong..."
That’s because most fans will be happy to see a content creator release something new and will like the video out of reflex, but upon examination of the content, they will see the flaws in it.
Oh, they know medusa is actually good because it says so in a game they like and goes in line with their politics
13:22 given the narrators face in that and what is beign said, maybe Extra Credits animators are more self aware than we thought.
Its funny. In the last response video to them you made i wrote of how It was their game design serie in particular that had gone to crap. Fast forward a couple of days, they released the Medusa video. I WAS still subbed due to the fact i like mithos and Their history series that (with the exception of the One about Cleopatra) were all MOSTLY accurate, but with this One i am Just speechless. Red, from OST, Sums up the whole mitho and the story surrounding It much Better than EC did in a video that wasn't even ABOUT Medusa. Ill Just Stick to the older videos from now on..
She also mentioned that the version of Medusa being cursed by Athena was written by a Roman author who had a anti-authority bias and I said this in a different video somewhere but what higher authority in augustan Rome to stick it to then the gods themselves.
Great video. I haven't been subscribed for very long but given what I've seen of your videos on literature and game lore I'm very interested in this story you mentioned.
oh i just saw it in my recommended.
I think part of the reason Dan left was not only because he was interested in new projects, but also because he had a sense of where this content was going.
Extra Credits clearly drank too much cool aid.
Shame really. I quite enjoyed them a years ago, but they have been surpassed ever since by other channels.
The closest to a blessing I see is when going by the violated version and rather then blessing a misguided attempt at protecting Medusa from harm again but that depends on the version of the tale like usual
So which version did EC go with?
Virgil's version where she's depicted as a victim of Athena's pettiness (Though if I were Athena even I would be mad if my mortal enemy was... formicating in the temple)
Or the Original Version where she's the daughter of Echidna and one of the 3 Gorgons?
For some reason this reminded me a lot of Caenis myth. I can only imagine what EC would do with that story.
Extra Credits are a bunch of presumptious pompous prats.
Each time EC releases a video that pisses people off they start to release double content for a while, either to flush out the bad ratings before it affects the algorithm or because they want to capitalize on the hate views. I reckon this is why their video on Medusa felt rushed and not thought out.
Extra credits downturn still seems soo abrupt to me, now nothing come good from them.
On another note, I'd like to read that monster club story if you don't mind.
I feel like they missed the fact that Dusa in the Hades Game, actually doesn't like any of the other Medusa headed enemies. According to her, their reputation for attacking everyone made it hard for her to get a job in the House of Hades. So she hates her "family" so to speak.
Tisiphone and Alecto are also banned from the House of Hades due to poor behavior. Alecto outright says she's always wanted to kill a god, and Tisiphone is fanatically single-minded, and has a one word vocabulary (two if you talk to her enough).
Zagreus asks if Dusa related to the other gorgon enemies, because he'd feel bad about murdering her relatives if it upset her. She says they're tangentially related to one another, and gives Zagreus full permission to slaughter them all.
That and there's nothing to imply the Dusa is the original Medusa.
7:52 The immortality might be considered a blessing. If, ya know, she was actually immortal.
Perseus: "Allow me to introduce myself!"
I actually had a massive paragraph typed out about how I feel about this video but my head started to hurt from frustration. I'll just let you know that the people over at extra credit just need to stop....what ever THIS is.
Every video EC put out lately makes me feel "Godzilla had a stroke trying to read this and fucking died".
Can we just take a moment to talk about the art of EC? I feel like it's getting worse and worse. It used to be very amateurish but very cute and charming. Eventually the art style was refined and maintained its charm. But after Dan left, the art went through a weird change. It looked very professionally made as if many artists worked on it with a large budget, but the style they went for looked really off. Like they gave the old art style new changes that didn't fit at all and made it look off putting. Now with this mythology vid, the original art is almost completely discarded and looks awful. As if it's a reflection on the state of the channel and how it's risen and fallen.
Yeah...looks very “Rick and Morty-ish”
I’d love to see a video about something from Norse mythology :)
My English teacher has been teaching Greek mythology for the past two weeks and I love learning about it and she said Athena punish Medusa cause she was having in affair with Zeus but I've seen stories about Medusa being a rape victim and first of all that is so awful yes you could say "This is fake" while yes the Greek gods are made up cause people wanted an explanation on how the world started but that doesn't make Medusa story less sad and I will still feel back for her
The issue with classical myths is that they're retold and changed frequently through oral traditions and early modes of literacy. Some versions may depict Medusa as an irredeemable monster, but others changed the story to make Medusa more sympathetic. While the core elements of the story and characters are more or less the same, there isn't a definite version of the myth.
Hell, even people today tend to change classic fairytales and novels to reflect their interpretation of the stories. Disney firstly toned down stories to have less gore and a more happy ending, then they remade their own movies and recontextualized villains as sympathetic or heroic characters. Similarly, Chinese people remake classic wuxia adaptation almost every year, changing plot points or turning some villains sympathetic. With so many versions to read and watch nowadays, it more depends on which version you want to stick with.
Has anyone mention how adorable your sprite is?
Only a few
You should take over extra mythology. Zarka (I know she's a professor but she lost my respect to say doctor) is doing the same thing with the Monstrum section of the storied channel. Hell, when I saw her zombie special she's disgusted with Shaun of the dead.
What did Zarka do? I'm familiar with only a small amount of her work.
She's been schewing the monster Mythos into political tangents depending if you want a light scolding or flagellation. Unless the creature in question is more like wildlife or natural phenomenon, she's been leaning in on the political harder and harder. The recent episode on the werehyenas, was one such flagellation. While you do get some information about the myth, it immediately swerves into African on African antisemitism. Like me, a white guy in Missouri who just wants to learn about monsters especially werecreatures because werewolf the apocalypse is awesome fight me, is responsible for African antisemitism. It's getting really grading.
There's another channel that I'm subscribed to, world of monsters, and I suggested to Arthur that he should apply cause his deep dives are apolitical and tags all bases.
I think a man being a stone might allow Medusa to be with men as much as she wants....
I always thought medusa was a sympathetic monster but a monster nontheless.
Theres a point where your grief and victomhood turns into poision and cant be excused for your behavior. Think of her like castlevania's dracula. You get why he might hate man but hes still a villian.
Beautiful video raven like always
Don't they need the head for something later? like fighting the hydra or something?
Yes, in some versions of the myth, Perseus used the head on the King who tried to have him killed.
This is a great video. I like how you display that there is more than one side to a story, mythological or otherwise. What's this Monster Club story at the end you talked about? I am curious.
It’s a story I wrote some time ago. I can provide a link if you’d like.
@@RavenKnightYT I would appreciate that, thank you!
@@RavenKnightYT I too would like to check out your story. You intrigued me with this and I think you should have linked the story in the description. You clearly have a way with words based on your videos.
Don't worry, though. I already found the link you posted in response to a prior comment.
I’m intrigued by the story you mentioned may I have the link for it. If you don’t mind
Hey can I get that backstory or link? Just found the channel. Plus this may help with my own Monster Girl thing but I don't know if I'm ever gonna do anything with it.
So glad I only watch the history stuff from Extra credits but good god they don’t understand mythology
Did he ever link Monster Club? I am very curious now!
I would like to hear more about the gorgon named Christina. (Or is it Kristina?)
Sure, Medusa might be a tragic character, but she did turn into a man-eating monster and needed to be put down, you know.
nice new sprite
They probably did this video for the sponsor money
Extra Credits doesn't seem to understand anything
May u send the link to your writing? I'd love to read it.
www.deviantart.com/the-knight-writer/gallery/41499143/monster-club
I hate how he said mortal women and not just Mortals.
le epic
It amazes me how Extra Credits drew Athena in such an ugly style. It’s like they want to avoid any feminine traits from her
I studied the story of Medusa and apparently in Greek mythology Athena has taken a vowel of chastity she would never have a child willingly so it would make sense for priestess of Athena would not willingly have sex in the temple of Athena.
Or she willingly had sex despite the consequences...which would seem punishable by a goddess who was raped by the god who had sex with the priestess...
@@yetanotherretroreview4476 Athena was raped by Hephaestus not Poseidon.
You’d make a great lawyer😂
Can i have that link to the story i would love to read it
www.deviantart.com/the-knight-writer/gallery/41499143/monster-club
Liiink, LIIINK!
all of the Olympians have to terrible thing to mortals for example Lycaon was a cruel king that trick Zeus into consuming human flesh Zeus punishes him by turning him into a werewolf
Can I get the link to your story?
www.deviantart.com/the-knight-writer/gallery/41499143/monster-club
@@RavenKnightYT Thank you. :)
I--- I'm sorry, I think my brain broke. WHAT?
Sorry. I didn’t mean to come off as confusing. :(
You weren't this guy is just sub 60 iq
SO after I watched your video I started to wonder about extra credits comment about making a connection to the characters of Greek mythology through video games & I remember him saying he played Hades.
So I looked up some videos on Medusa or just Dusa in the game. So she gets basically the same exact narrative happen to her in the context of losing her job & being kicked out that extra credits put on medusa in the story they told. My theory is extra credits played the game then learned about the Medusa & Persius myths then came up with his own sudo story. Which is characteristic of extra credits.
I haven't played Hades yet but I bet you can draw even more parallels between extra credits video & video games as if they are taking the games as a accurate representation of the myths.
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Yeah I'm thinking extra credits is simping on Medusa after playing Hades.
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I would like to see your story.
so extra credits isn't the best with mythology. but what about its videos on history?
Some are better than others…although they tend to insert personal bias in quite a few
next extra credit will talk about how the giants were actually right to challenge the Olympians and it is bad that they lost
You see, they could have done all that, but thats smart writing, and for that you need a brain. Extra credits keeps proving they dont have one.
I hate the new art style on extra credits and how they present most things nowadays. It used to be decent
Idk why extra credits is telling gods to leave mortal women alone. Sure they often suffer consequences after the fact but if Medusa is in the mood and Poseidon can make himself a dolphin dick tf is she gonna do say no? Let mortal women have their fun. Sure there are consequences aplenty but let people make mistakes.
Eh, I still like a lot of Extra Credits, mostly Extra History
That's fine.
@@RavenKnightYT still, love your channel
I've heard it argued that the whole "turn people to stone" thing was meant to essentially make Medusa unrapeable, but I don't really know where they got that idea. If that was the case, why not give her control over the ability instead of affecting everyone? Why would you also make her hideous? As much as I like the idea of a hot Medusa with eye lasers that turn people to stone, it's not consistent with the myths.
It’s not even real