What if Celtic and Rangers had joined the Premier League? Ft. Ransom FA | BBC Sounds
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- Specs Gonzalez and Tego Sigel are joined by rapper and Aberdeen fan, Ransom FA to change football history. In this episode they take it back to 2009 to ask: ‘What if Celtic and Rangers had joined the Premier League?’
In 2009, Bolton chairman, Phil Gartside put forward a plan that would have changed the fabric of British football. Would Celtic and Rangers have been top four contenders? Would Sir Alex Ferguson have left Manchester United to join a club in his native Scotland? And what does this all mean for Aberdeen?
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Thank you for bringing this show with visuals. I hate podcasts without visuals, this is 100x better!!!
@Ex troll Now living clean life Its still a podcast, Some people need visual to stay interested :) Its ok we aint all the same.
Now imagine putting English teams in the Scottish Premier league and expecting them to compete in Europe with the TV money...
Spot on mate, that part of the argument always gets forgotten about. They would be bankrupt within 1 season if they kept their current squads. A max player exodus and coaching staff exodus.... And rich owners selling up making a loss in their investments big time.
clearly there is a difference but the revenue of the spl in 18/19 season was more than that of the top leagues in switzerland, denmark, israel, croatia, czech republic and ukraine. a lot of these nations have teams with more points than rangers and celtic combined in the champions league this season (1 point) as it stands - these are: dynamo zagreb, shaktar donetsk, fc copenhagen and maccabi haifa (salzburg too but i’ll make an exception because of their talent pool + austrian league is worth more so it’s not on the list - although in the 18/19 season the austrian bundesliga only made £16M more in revenue than the spl)
the spl clearly has issues with population size but celtic and rangers have international fan bases and can perform well in europe occasionally (notably rangers last season) they don’t actually get past the round of 16 in the europa league very often at all (in fact spl teams have made the round of 16 only 3 times since 2015) - so whilst you do have a point, i feel like the spl as an institution could possibly do a bit more with what it has in terms of structuring and marketing. after all it has a lot to work with, it’s has incredible historic football clubs from a historic football nation which played in the first international friendly. it also has overseas following and european football history - it can’t be that hard to market
@@billder2655 My friend, the SPFL is not reaching it's potential, it has NOT been reaching it's potential for decades now. There is so much wrong with the game in Scotland, so it is being held back deliberately for several reasons. The Old Firm clubs don't want change because they are just waiting for ticket out of Scottish football to a more lucrative league. The other Prem clubs bow down to the Old Firm and the rest of league are just full of bitterness toward the top clubs in the Prem.
The game needs change from top to bottom and for everyone to get together and put aside petty agendas for the good of the game.
We have huge potential and are a proud footballing nation but we are also our own downfall. Money plays a small role in that.
@@jacksonbow2766 yeah it is a big shame - at least VAR is coming in which (in principle) makes the league more attractive, feel like scottish clubs need to rinse sell-on clauses because i feel like a lot of scottish talent leaves the league at a fairly cheap price to england.
now i want to play a scottish fm save
@@billder2655 Tbf you have to remove for 9 years the SPFL has only been represented by 1 club because rangers were liquidated. So of course the co-efficient will have dropped. BUT look at rangers in the Europa league last season. We beat Dortmund, Leipzig , Lyon and a spatter of other well respected names. AND our groups are very tough this season in the champions league. Liverpool, Napoli & Ajax typically get out of the group and so does Real Madrid and Leipzig are good. Shatter doneskt is just champions league stuff but surely you can see where I’m coming from…
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@@BBCSounds Just letting you know that Ransom has been done for using sectarian language before. Very inclusive
Ransom is spot on. Celtic and rangers are 2 of the biggest clubs in the UK.
2 of the 50 biggest I'd say.
FA Cup originally had Scottish teams in it - Last team from Scotland to compete in the FA Cup was Gretna in 02/03.
Funnily enough, Rangers actually competed in the FA Cup in the 1880's
The 1880's, Queens Park, got to two finals, losing both to Blackburn Rovers.
Rangers withdrew without playing a game.
They got to.the semi finals in 1887, where they were beaten by Aston Villa
@@jami376 Yes in 85/86, played the next year and got to SF.
Yeah, and Queens Park did better.
I love that Tego is watching Scottish Football & that we have had a Scottish football chat we have files
For me personally, Celtic and Rangers should join the EPL. The best time was around 98-2003 as both teams were at a high level especially Celtic. Celtic in that era constantly made the UCL and gave trouble to the best teams around. Even made the UEFA Cup final in 2003 I believe. There was talk of them joining the EPL in that era but obviously nothing came of it. I think Celtic would have been a shoe in to finish in and around the top 6 back in those days. And most likely would have been a top 4 team in some of those years. They weren't better than Man Utd or Arsenal but I think quality wise they were comparable to Liverpool, Newcastle Utd, Chelsea and Leeds who were the other top 6 contestants. Rangers would have been around mid table maybe slightly higher or slightly lower. It would have been a seamless transition in that era due to both clubs operating at a much higher level than they are today. Yes, Rangers recently made a Europa League final in 2022 but that was a one off thing imo. I watched many of their games last season in EL and they were just grinding out results and holding on for dear life. We saw how they got exposed in UCL this season and lost their domestic league title as well.
It would be a much harder transition these days. But with that said I think it would work if it were to happen, but certain things would have to take place. Obviously both Celtic and Rangers would have to be given the same money as newly promoted teams from the EFL Championship so that they could invest and improve their overall squads and talent pool. On top of this money I think the PL would have to give them AT LEAST another 100-200 million pounds. Again, to improve their squads and make both clubs more PL ready. So really it would be 200-300 million injection for both clubs to use on transfers. It's justified because this would 2 massive brands and 2 giant clubs joining a new league in a unprecedented move. You don't want to give them only the same amount as newly promoted Championship sides because Celtic and Rangers aren't much better than Championship sides. Maybe slightly. So if they only received the normal amount there's a good chance they could be in a relegation battle because they don't have the foundation of players yet. And with only 100 million or whatever it is that newly promoted sides receive they wouldn't be able to drastically improve their squads in comparison to other EPL sides. There would be no point of doing the project if you're setting both Celtic and Rangers up for a potential relegation battle. Defeats the whole purpose of having them join. You give them 2 or 3 times maybe even 4 times the normal amount in hopes that they can quickly build a squad capable of finishing at least mid table or higher. And after that they're on their own.
Let's be honest, both Glasgow clubs are among the biggest clubs in all of the UK. I would argue historically only Man Utd, Liverpool and maybe Arsenal are on that level. Maybe Chelsea, Newcastle and Nottingham Forest if you want to be very generous. But for me they are the biggest along with Man Utd and Liverpool. They would obviously have the stadiums and the support needed. I think it would be good for rivalries vs the English clubs as Celtic and Rangers would be based in Scotland so there would be that element of rivalry which would add extra spice to the PL.
There are 2 potentially big problems though. #1 - What would happen to the Scottish Premiership and the rest of the Scottish clubs? Would they continue as is without Celtic and Rangers? If those 2 clubs were to leave international interest in the league would instantly become non existent and it could have massive financial consequences for the league and the clubs in it. Would these Scottish teams be allowed into the Championship, League 1, League 2, etc? And become part of some type of new British football system where Scottish and English teams play in the same leagues? And #2 - Would Celtic and Rangers even want to join the EPL? Both clubs have won over 50 league titles, and are among the most decorated clubs in football. Would they want to join the EPL for more more and exposure at the expense of becoming far less dominant and going through potentially very long stretches without silverware? These are all questions that would arise and need answers.
As a football fan I'd love to see them in a newly revised EPL which includes them but most likely it won't happen. Can you imagine these two clubs getting relegated? How sad that would be. And while Rangers were relegated before that was as punishment and not based on what actually happened on the pitch. Interesting topic though!
No. I would prefer to keep the Scottish, Welsh, and English leagues. But have cross border cups with Scottish, Welsh, Irish, Northern Irish, English, French and American club sides on top of domestic and European football.
We need the best of both worlds we keep our Euripean football, but have extra cross border cups.
The Scots already allow Welsh and Northern Irish sides in the Scottish Challenge Cup.
I'm a rangers man and on current sqauds there is NO WAY we would be top 4 I'd say we would both be towards the bottom end of the prem but once that prem money hits the bank accounts, that's when we would start to build our way up and after a good 5 years I'd say we would be pushing top 6.
No you wouldn't.
@@johntate5050 celtic would rangers wouldnt. it would change to a top 7
@@seanmckinney6334 It took Liverpool 20 years to re-win the title and now they're off the pace again. Arsenal haven't won it for a couple of decades, the biggest club in Britain, Man Utd haven't won it for 10 years. Big clubs like Spurs, Everton, Leeds, Newcastle and European Cup winners Villa struggle to survive. Chelsea are off the pace. West Ham can't get close. Double European Cup winners (twice as many as Celtic) Nottingham Forest are going to be relegated. Yet you think two clubs who look good because they have bought the title by playing dirt poor tiny teams like Kilmarnock, Ross County & Livingston would just walk in and be title contenders? It's hilarious. You're fantasists. It's also hilarious how you need the English to make you relevant.
@@johntate5050 we dont need the "english", we need the money coming from the foreigners watching the english based clubs, owned by foreign owners, with full foreign rosters
@@adamgoesoutside Ask yourself why you don't get the money. I'll answer it for you - there isn't enough global interest. You boys think Sky money is charity money. You think Sky give the English league all that money out of the kindness of their hearts & that they're just being nasty to the Scottish. The truth is Sky invest in what they can get a return from. People around the world want to watch English clubs. Foreign investors want to invest in the big English clubs. They're not interested in Scottish clubs because there's no global interest and therefore no return on their investment. That's how business works.
I'm from Kilmarnock in Ayrshire.. Ayr are a town in Ayrshire ..there's North East South West Ayrshire with lots of towns and villages within it..
Theres no west ayrshire. Irvines on the west with Ayr below also on the west. Ayr is south ayrshie irvine is north ayrshie
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Just look at the Welsh teams, solid championship teams with both reaching the prem, with nowhere near the brand of Celtic and rangers they’d easily be prem standard
There is only two clubs in the UK who can comfortably say they are bigger than Celtic and rangers and that's man utd and Liverpool Celtic and rangers have a bigger following than every other club and tell me another team who can take 100 thousand fans to a European final rangers did that twice and Celtic did as well they both have the best support in the UK regardless of anything else put them on a level playing field with TV money etc and they would both comfortably do well
Rangers and Celtic only have a big following because there's no one else to support.
Arsenal for one has a far wider fan base than rangers or celtic
The idea that either one of these great institutions have a larger fan base in the UK much less on a world wide scale is nonsense if you were to take time to review the current data as it regards social engagement branding name recognition they do not compare content is king the Epl has now become content that is what has changed the money is now a by product
of the media landscape and will drive the growth unfortunately
Utter delusion this.
Give some stats or something to support these claims.
Well that’s bullshit, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and City have much larger world wide fan bases
Rangers wouldn’t have been Liquidated in 2012 and Celtic with their multi Billionaire Chief Shareholder would have invested heavily on new signings had they been given a free pass into the Premier League.
Which of course will never happen as Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas.
Celtic Park currently has a 60k Capacity but has scope for expanding this to 80k by replacing the main stand and tying it in with the rebuilt part of the Stadium built in 94/95 .
This would make Celtic Park the largest Club venue in the U.K. and of course increased revenues as a result.
Don’t kid yourselves we couldn’t fill it because the biggest attendances ever recorded at Club games in the U.K. (and Europe for that matter) belong to one Club.
Couple this with a fanbase that is both north and south of the Border way support would also be massive.
You will hard pushed to find a large Town or City in the U.K. that doesn’t have a contingent of Celtic or Rangers fans in it.
Our League is holding us back as Clubs but in the mega rich environment of The Premiership all bets are off.
PS Rangers never dropped down after Liquidation.
There's a reason Messi, Ronaldinho & co. all loved Celtic Park 👀👏
Had that dortmond jacket back in the day it was a belter so it wiz
Aberdeen, Hibs and Hearts are bigger than some teams in the EPL in all measurements but income. And you can print that.
😂😂😂 no they're not. Well maybe Luton town, but that's it. Some championship teams are bigger than Rangers and Celtic, Leeds and Leicester for example.
@@JFP1988there’s no way you said that Leicester is bigger than Celtic or rangers 😂
English fans seem to think Celtic and rangers would move to the epl but continue to operate off the Scottish tv deal. They don’t seem to understand they’d get the same tv money, meaning they can quickly challenge for world class signings.
Celtic Park is 60,000 plus. Ibrox is 50,000 plus. There are 16 EPL stadiums smaller than Celtic Park, and 7 with less than half the capacity. Add in clubs like Lester, Blackburn and Southampton who survived for a long time with stadiums around half the size.
Celtic had Van Dijk, Tierney, wanyama, ki, Forster. Players who all did well in England. Do you honestly believe they’d leave Celtic to play in a stadium half the size if Celtic are in the same league and can pay the same, if not better wages?
English fans seem to think being in the epl automatically makes you a massive club. Most of the English league is smaller than Celtic and rangers. They just have access to big money off the back of clubs like manyoo, Arsenal and Liverpool.
Chelsea weren’t a big club until the epl kicked off. Then they became a nice option for foreign owners because they were in London.
If Celtic and rangers entered the epl for 24/25, they wouldn’t be playing with the current squads. They’d invest heavily because they now have access to the same tv that keeps Bournemouth in the league with their 11,000 seater stadium.
Celtics current squad is good enough to survive the first season if they had to. Rangers isn’t. They have decent players, but they’ve shown they don’t have the mental strength.
If Celtic had joined your league in 2009, they'd have been champions for the last 3 years.
We were so poor against Liverpool but we had an 18 year in defence and a 40 year old in goals with 9 first team players out. Defo not top 4 as it stands today but the money gap is enormous and Rangers made the europa league final a few months ago with a team that is worth less than the midfield of a mid table prem team. With that prem money it would transform the old firm to the next level
Very well thought out this!
I would prefer a best of both worlds scenario. Where we keep our Scottish, Welsh, and English leagues. But on top of domestic and European football, we also have extra cross border cups with club sides from Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Ireland, England, America and France.
Cross border cups are the solution.
The Scots already allow Welsh and Northern Irish sides in the Scottish Challenge Cup.
Quite simple really they’d get a hell of a lot of money therefore able to sign better players and therefore compete,Apart from Liverpool in the week who else from England have came up here and pumped us
First time watching and it’s the topic I have had with many people for years. These players at rangers who’s my team. We’re bought to play in the Scottish league. Almost all would never have been bought if we played in English football. Bigger budget, attractive to more players. And sell out crowds week in week out. Rangers and that other team. Would bring in even more fans from home in the U.K. and from foreign countries. They are a bit of Snobbery from England when it comes to this topic. And I am proud to be Scottish and I think we need to stay and improve Scottish football as it is on the up. Smaller clubs have the chance to join our leagues. I think also it would hurt The SPL. Sky and BT money would not be as much for the right to show. I would like to see a U.K. cup . Within the 4 countries. This would be a good way to test the water a little but unless we have the same income on gates and tv. It would be next to impossible to win. Unless the other teams from England put out a weaker team. Europe will always be the goal.
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My uncle played for Celtic and Aberdeen
It's 1860 not 180 Munich😂😂😂
big clubs like leeds sunderland get relegated and cant get back into the premier league for ages, even newcastle have been relegated a few times there is no guarentee that it would work
The actual ignorance towards Scottish football here is unbelievable man
Theyre wank
Too right. Disgusting lack of knowledge.
Put it like this the best team are rangers or Celtics and neither of them will finish top 5 in prem definitely never 4
@@mr___03 With current squads then yes. Newcastle are in the top 6 now with Oil money. A massive club with a passionate and loyal fan base. Celtic and Rangers are huge compared to Newcastle Utd
celtic and rangers would be relegated if they were in the premier league
I don't think the Old Firm would do well in their first couple of seasons but eventually they would be top 6 consistently. The only thing that holds back the two teams is the lack of investment due to being in a smaller league that has a pretty rubbish TV deal. Ultimately, I'd rather the Old Firm stay in Scotland because I want the Scottish league to improve as a whole.
big clubs like leeds sunderland get relegated and cant get back into the premier league for ages, even newcastle have been relegated a few times there is no guarentee that it would work
as a rangers supporter, i truly dont think we would win a single match (at the moment) but premier league teams higher budgets so i do think they could improve their lineup
Celtic would finish mid table that being said, Rangers are truely terrible atm
Rangers and Celtic need better competition to make it in european comps.
@@c0222 no way would Celtic be mid table looooool
@@c0222 the difference between mid table and terrible is 2 points? 😂
@@KTV22 do you watch the games?
If Celtic and Rangers had the EPL TV money they would be right up there, they would attract the top players no problem, that’s the only thing to discuss here
Mbappe to Celtic or Rangers? 🥵
Pittodrie is Gaelic for dung heap
Wee comment to the Gonzalez guy - going about not knowing where places are in Scotland is completely ignorant. Because you don't know where Motherwell is, it is your problem.
Honestly given the recognizable global brand of rangers and celtic I'd see them being bought by foreign entities shortly after joining the EPL and elevated to top ~8 status.
Why would they bring two teams with passion for their clubs into a league where eating prawn sandwiches is the noisiest part of the game.
Relegated in dramatic fashion every damn season I bet.
Top 4 eventually cos of fan base and money 🍀💚
If Man City is a big club what is Celtic.. 🍀
@@CK-dd7eq Man City is NOT a big club. Judy like Leipzig is NOT a big club. They are just rich clubs that took over recently.
@@jacksonbow2766 I mean if Man City are seen big enough and worth investing in what would Celtic be worth playing in the money league too? 🤯
@@CK-dd7eq Oh on bud, I get ya now and Yes I agree mate👍
money? everyone else would be getting the same. you would be a midtable club at best.
Well that's it settled then Aberdeen is winning the FA Cup 👍😁⚪️🔴
The first all seater stadium in Britain Pittodrie bet you didn't know that lads
It's a tip now!
I'm pretty sure it was Clydebanks Kilbowie Park, not Pittodrie.
I get the idea that this podcast isn't supposed to be taken too seriously, however the lack of knowledge both around football and other areas it's astounding.
With years of huge TV money Celtic and Rangers would be used
Man like ransom
The Premier League brand is so strong that everyone just assumes you are talking about the EPL.. A bit like 'United' with Man utd..
I can tell you where it is.
Ær Ær ær ær.
Don't want it to happen but if Celtic had the same money to spend as clubs down south?history and a real(not bought)european tradition,would be a good place for more marquee players and hard to ignore,international fanbase has been worldwide for decades!not just since live football on tv,name a country,you'll find a Celtic Supporters club!Hail!Hail!🍀
Yous have no chance of getting ther anymore after the green brigades stupidity
Thats assuming they dont do research into celtics background.
To be clear i DONT mean the usual thing rangers fans have a go at, although that could be an additional factor, i mean more disciplinary in europe. Political views. Type of people in their ultras groups. Messages sent to said groups by members of the board. Type of banners held up etc etc
It all boils down to money plain and simple. Celtic have held their own against EPL teams when they've played in Europe in recent times (remember they stopped Man City's almost record-breaking winning streak a few years back). But as time goes on the gulf just widens. And it's the same to an extent in the Scottish League. The smaller teams can't compete with the money that the top 2 have
If Rangers were in the EPL they wouldn't get liquidated because a big buyer would come along n get them out of it because them being on the Prem makes them a good asset due to the clubs history and fan base.
This be Great ideal. Fans have to Travel to Celtic and Rangers cold night ran 😮😂
The lack of football knowledge here is mad
The only 2 old firm teams that could do decent in the EPL would be the Martin O'Neil and Dick Advocate teams of the early 2000's
now there's something we'd wanna see!
Celtic given a few years of the same kinda money as EPL clubs would be challenging at the top end, there is some amount of dross in the premier League too.
If leeds, Villa, Everton, Newcastle struggle so would Celtic. Man Utd are by far the biggest club in the UK and they can't challenge these days. If Man Utd are struggling Celtic wouldn't get close.
@@johntate5050 disagree, clubs go through cycles of success, man United have been a basket case since Ferguson left - also Celtic are a far more attractive proposition than about 2/3rds of the EPL; it's also not as good as you'd like to think it is
@@timanon7149 If it isn't as good as I think it is, why do Celtic need it to make them relevant?
@@timanon7149 Celtic and Rangers would have to start in the lowest league of English football and work there way upto premier league.
I don't see them finding it easy either, average player's thrive at Rangers or Celtic.
@@pshort1848 if it's that what it is so be it, Celtic would win promotion year after year. , Don't be kidded,
Prelim Of the ukc st James swifts vs Man City Cliftonvile vs arsenal
Im a Hibs fan. I'd prefer to play in League 2 in England than carry on in Scotland.
Lads Celtic maybe. Rangers we saw the answer last week. Thank you Reds 😊
1 game we had 9 first team players out and took our best CB and holding midfielder off with injury at 1-1 and brought an 18 year old novice on and crumbled. Freak game nothing more. Go look at Old Firms record v English clubs for a better picture 👍
@@willd2274 Celtics record vs English clubs *
You’re missing players for that game -
Hagi
Helander
Lawrence
Ofoborh
Souttar
Wake up man you are chatting nonsense but all Rangers fans do… you had full strength to pick from but just got completely embarrassed, same against Celtic, Napoli and Ajax
@@timmalloy9414 Jack and Goldson, we were 1-1 when Goldson went off. And our record against English clubs is good pal
@@willd2274 when we got skelped by Leipzig we lost Mcgregor and had no CCV both better than Jack and Goldson… the thing is Celtic fans can admit when they get out played stop trying to hide away from the truth … Rangers are utter pish
@@timmalloy9414 At the moment mate we are no argument here I can't even watch at the moment footballs dreadful, Gio is not the man for the job
I this there's a few guys here geographically challenged
Would they be playing for the FA Cup or the Scotch Egg?
I'm an Arbroath fan and know for a fact that celtic and rangers would struggle in the PM... 7-0 against Liverpool... Need I say more
Scottish clubs are just a stepping stone to English clubs, both in terms of players and managers. They will be treated that way even if they play in the premier league.
Nah because they are big clubs with big fan bases and are in a nice city so players would stay
Ayr United is actually the boyhood club of Steve Nicol
With the premier league money Ayr would become a top team
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If Celtic and Rangers had joined the Premier League last season theyd be in the Championship this season 😂😂
Motherwell sub of Glasgow
How do these guys get a bbc show? Who tf are they?
cos theyre majority black
Then they would be bottom half/relegation zone. I think both would struggle in championship
United Kingdom cup would be awesome!
There won't be a united kingdom in a few years
Celtic cup
It's of no interest to English clubs.
Then stop be obsessed with us
I don't want Scottish teams joining anything with England. The English look down their noses at the rest of the home nations while their government loads us all with English debt. The cups are never worth much financially either.
I would rather a Celtic (pronounced 'K'eltic) cup with the Irish and Welsh. Spread the love with them although Wales is half English anyway, so maybe just the Irish lol.
Shoutout Derry City RAWA 🔴⚪️
They would get relegated
The reality is if Celtic came to the prem we'd build a team to win it within 5-7 year🍀
Big shout! Celtic - Premier League Winners 👀
All about opinions I suppose mate. But Celtic are a giant in a midgets league 🍀
Haha 😂
I find this argument very funny as a Celtic fan in time Celtic and rangers would defo be top half of the table the big thing everyone mistakes is that if Celtic and rangers joined epl these teams we have the now would ovcourse be changed with the finances involved so the teams the now can not be judge like as this is the team we can afford playing in spfl league this it’s like saying if Man City come to Scottish league they will win it but do u actually think haaland would play in the spfl no it would b a complete different team the thing is Celtic and rangers are massive clubs and if we did play in the prem and we went to sign a player say and Brentford tryed to sign the same player let’s be real they would choose Celtic or rangers not being disrespectful to Brentford but this is facts so it time yes they would be defo fighting europa league spot at least and possibly cups would b great for tv contract and give more bigger games to watch it’s crazy this dose not happen as no 1 loses in this situation spfl becomes way more competitive epl gets arguably one of the biggest rivalries in the world and Celtic and rangers can start to get higher quality players and and play in the best league in the world
Ever heard of a comma or a full stop? Jesus Christ I struggled reading that🤣
😂 ma bad. Lol
The SPL would die a slow death if that were to ever happen.
It has been dying a slow death for about 30 years now. Every year it gets worse. No one in Scottish football wants to make any attempt to revive it.
@@jacksonbow2766 losing the two biggest most successful clubs would do the opposite of reviving it though.
@@johnmitchell2269 I agree completely my friend. However it is also those 2 biggest clubs that are doing their most to deliberately hold Scottish football back, so it's a catch 22 situation.
It might revive it because it would be more competitive. You could get some exciting title races. Everyone said clubs would go bust when Rangers died but the only team whose crowds went down was Celtic.
@@Support-your-local-team There is already a lack of money in the SPL (because people don't watch it online or on TV). If Rangers and Celtic were to leave, then there would be a significant drop in viewing figures, attendances and revenue for that league.
14:20 nah why you mentioning us for wtf
Unless you talking bout some Bohemians takeover
Is that the wee moaning guy from arsenal to ?
National league north within 5 years both of em.
I am not British so take that into account if necessary but I honestly think football is changing and the Premier League should absorb Scottish teams. Continental Europe is likely creating a Super League to compete with the Prem and the Prem should expand to accommodate modern football. I would prefer everything to stay the same but that won't happen, we need to take measures not to concentrate football's power in just one market. An expanded version of the Premier League would be big enough to compete with the Super League. Beyond that It would exciting to watch Man Utd play Celtic and Liverpool, Chelsea, Villa going up north to play Aberdeen or Rangers. I would even consider something with the Irish football, maybe allowing them to join Championship or League 1, 2.
I would prefer Scottish clubs to join the MLS.
Celtic would probably finish 14-17th and build on that climbing the table over the next decade imo. Rangers would definitely be relegated and probably compete in the championship maybe become a yo-yo club similar to Norwich.
9-0 but close enough
our number 9 is top scorer in the spfl 😂😂
Look at the final score of Celtic v English opposition in the last 20years
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Wish we could head south spfl is holding us back one thing it's cringe is when both fans from Glasgow say we would challenge for league cause of money fanbase ffs fanbase? That won't win you titles money yes off course but look at the other clubs with money fanbase and some of thrm can't get into top 4 we just say to make us feel better cause deep down it will never happen we are stucked in Doncaster spfl unfortunately but if we did who knows?? Top 4 or top 6 top 10??? Who knows but it be more exciting and challenging then spfl
They'd be yo-yo clubs like Norwich & Bournemouth.
Keep smoking crack
You are just a hater. Still crying at the fact the have bigger fan bases that pretty much all English clubs? 😂
@@conner1260 I'm not crying, I'm laughing at you deluded Celtic & rangers fans. I don't really think you even believe your own bullshit. No one else does, that's for certain.
@@johntate5050 That’s cool but you are English. No one’s caring about your opinion 💀😂
@@conner1260 I'm Irish actually
Scottish clubs would go busy without playing the Glasgow teams 4 times a season. It'd kill the game in Scotland. So no
Motherwell?
She’s alright thanks
@@jameshorne5525 hahahahahaha
Class seeing a black man with a scottish accent.
What's the point on this podcast when two of the three presenters don't know anything about football outside of the EPL?
If Celtic and Rangers both entered the Premier League with their current teams they'd struggle to reach double figures. If they entered the Championship with current teams they'd struggle to finish top half. However if they were given Premier League money and an even playing field in time they could challenge for the title.
Liverpool at the worst they've been in 7 or 8 years just hammered Rangers 7-1 at their own ground... they were the worst side we've faced under Klopp and that's no exaggeration - and we beat Bournemouth 8-0 a few weeks ago
9-0
TOP 4?
look at the results Man City, Liverpool, Man U get in Europe, it was literally all British in the final 2 years ago, now look at Celtic and rangers. They would be battling relegation in the premier league, keep going on about money they would get in the prem but what about the teams that are in it and still get relegated? Yous would get battered everywhere you went
It's astonishing the ignorance of English football fans. You would think Scotland is best outer Mongolia and not in the UK.
It's quite simple really give rangers and celtic the same revenue as clubs in England and they would be in with a chance the size of both clubs alone over shadow 80% of the teams in the prem at the moment there fan bases alone over shadow 90% who on earth in the EPL would of brought a quarter of million fans to a European final 🤔 not many rangers fans took over Manchester in 08 so when look at all them facts and then add a few quid into the mix its really easy to see how they would compete problem is its never going to happen and this age old debate will be talked about and talked about some more 🥱 as of now its even getting quite boring 😴
The sheiks would have invested and the rest would be history
IF Celtic and Rangers could survive 1 season in the prem with their current squads (which is doubtful, especially in Rangers case right now) then the money they would get from that one season would easily secure clubs of their stature a top half finish. Looking at the current squad and making a judgement about this is pretty futile. Even now they would give most of the bottom half of the prem a good game and probably pull off the odd surprise result against the "big 6" teams here or there. Celtic and Rangers have massive support and that is what counts. Look at the money Man U generate just from having the massive support they have. With the kind of exposure Celtic and Rangers would get being in the prem, they could easily win it in a few seasons as the revenue they would generate would start to rival the big clubs.
Realistically, the only thing that can secure a competitive future for Ranger, Celtic and all of Scottish football, is first and foremost independence for Scotland, so we are no longer seen as just a junior partner of England in TV deals etc, and competent SFA and SPFL to get us better deals. Without those, the cycle of us just being a bit bad in Europe and only competing with each other will never be broken.
Scottish football gets what it does because of its commercial value. Which is not a lot. Sky is more interested in pushing womens football than Scottish. Independence wont deliver any economic benefits - for football or anything else. Not sure how you manage to arrive at that conclusion,,
Plz stop this insane talk
BTW rangers did not get relegated and drop down rangers were liquidated and started a new club and had to reapply to enter the leagues. Cheating from the 80s to 2012.
If the old firm were on a finacial par with the epl they would dominate...... end of!
Based on what ?
@@benanders1969 Pedigree
@@scotireland3087 so you’d overtake Newcastle? Leeds Villa
They'd be in League One.
I genuinely think you take out rangers and Celtic out of the SPL it’s worse than the Irish league I mean Motherwell we’re beaten 5-0 on aggregate by Sligo the 4th best team in Scotland against the 3rd best team in Ireland. The standard is awful. In actual fact rangers or Celtic have failed to win a game in the champions league.
When are you going to ask why Man City won’t join the Scottish Premiership? Arogant English, once again.
In 2009 had we got the money injection from the prem for the books at the time before we went bankrupt, yeah rangers and Celtic are finishing top 8 for a couple seasons
Kids. Say no to drugs.
With 5 years equal finance, they'd both be pushing .
Do what if Wimbledon moved to Dublin.