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- The Eleven brings a classic pub debate to life. Two rival football fans go head-to-head, to debate which players would make it into a combined team from their clubs. The Judge - a neutral fan - has the final say on each position on the pitch.
In this episode, AFTV's Robbie Lyle and Manchester United fan Andy Tate debate Arsenal's Invincibles and United's 2008 Champions League and Premier League Champions,. with Rory Jennings as The Judge.
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@@Mmm-ix7eh Shut up ur just sad The invicibles are better than man 08 🤫
we ain’t talking about overall we are talking about the season arsenal had in 2004 and the season man u had in the 2008 but overall i give it to Rooney
@@Mmm-ix7eh Dont forget Vidic, Evra, Wes Brown
Rory so annoying, get him out!
Complete waste of time. Every gooner claims their players were the best in Prem era. Never won back to back titles never mind 3 in a row. Never won Champs Lge. Rory just there to support his pal Robbie. Utd 08 every day of the week.
To not include Rooney in this team is really shameful
Exactly, and there should be way more Man Utd players as well
not really, henry and denis were incredible
@@marekfalk5369 Rooney scored just under 20 goals and got over 10 assists in 08 and Bergkamp only got about 5 goals in the invincible season If I'm remembering correctly, prime Rooney over Bergkamp all day long.
Indeed. Henry must be in there, but Bergkamp was such an overrated player. Rooney + Henry.
@@KarmaKahn the fact u said Bergkamp was overrated just says a lot abt ur knowledge in football
No offense to Pires, but the fact Robbie tried to genuinely argue him over Ballon d'Or winning Ronaldo is shocking lol
What does the ballon d'or mean anyway? Isn't it just a popularity contest haha
@@Qwerts Have you ever seen a player that wasn't at least top 5 in the world win the Ballon d'Or?
@@De3dSh0t Yes. Modric, Michael Owen immediatley spring to mind.
@@Qwerts bro the man had 31 league goals and 11 champions league goals, won the prem and the cl.
@@Qwerts Modric deffo was top 5 lol
I'd put him right behind Messi Ronaldo Suarez that year
As an arsenal fan I really don’t understand how Rooney is so underrated by fans….his record is undeniable…so good.
He is not underrated. I would take fat Rooney over any of the current crop of players
@@Aetos23 I think he is highly underrated and doesn’t get enough credit….again different opinions but like I said his record is undeniable and there for all to see
Rooney’s first seasons (yes past that he was still amazing), were just something else. It was all eyes on him. He was tearing through defenses. He was fast, strong, and he would play great defense as well. Always wanted the ball. He immediately adapted to the premier league. It took Ronaldo a few seasons to get his goals, he missed a lot of chances. But rooney, hit the ground running.
I don't think he's underated anymore... he's always called as England's best ever player
@@DS-dw3pz again that’s a debate isn’t it….some ppl say Gazza and others say Bobby Charlton
While discussing the perfection in partnerships upfront for Henry & Bergkamp, why doesn't the perfection in a partnership gets mentioned for Rio & Vida in defence?
I was thinking exactly the same thing, ridiculous not too have them both. I stopped watching after that part and came to the comments 😂
A delusional arsenal fan are there, what do u expect??
@@AreThoseFunny There are 2 fans the bias is completely obvious from the judge's side as well.
100% agree with this
it be like Haaland C.Ronaldo at his peak
You don't become record goalscorer for club and country by luck. Bergkamp was a great player but people forget how good Rooney was in his prime and always remember the last 3 years of his United career
No one forgets that, only Robbie and his non-champions league winning Bergkamp do😂
Robbie so bias, argumenting the combination with Henry and Bergkamp. Then not choosing Ferdinand and Vidic?? How can you be a judge let Rooney, Vidic og Evra not be fitted in this team? Prime Evra vs a young Ashley Cole.. smh
@@indujannathan4351 you are forgetting though when they played against each other you're supposed greatest ever player in CR7 was absolutely dominated by Ashley Cole. Especially in that Euro 2004 game.
I Don't know what they are smoking😂😂😂
2nd all time for goals and 3rd with assists in the premier league too
So Robbie uses the combination argument when its suits him. Vidic and Ferdinand is one of the greatest combinations ever. Iam not even a united fan but i put aside my bias unlike some.
THANK YOU!
Because united is represented by a moron here. Literally anyone but Andy tate would have put Robbie in his place yet he schooled Andy tate despite with his weakened team.
i also get think about that.
And that defence kept 14 clean sheets in a row, they didnt play every game together, granted, but what a partnership, easily should have been them two
Man United’s representative here didn’t do them justice. It was his job to bring up good arguments to justify. Why would robbie use the combination argument for him ?
As soon as I saw Rory was judging I knew this was gonna be an absolute farce 😂😂 no Rooney?!! It clearly should be Rio and Vidic, they’re literally the best partnership ever
John Terry and Carvalho entered the chat
@@Dryan91 Easy when your whole team is geared towards stopping opponents playing, despite the plethora of goals they scored and more importantly they had freaking Makelele seating in front of them. Rio/Vida < Terry/Carvalho
He's literally biased cause that utd team beat Chelsea in that final
I’m an Arsenal fan and Pires was such a classy player, but 08 Ronaldo was a MONSTER!!! 40 goals, including unreal free kicks and long range shots. Won the league, champions league and the ballon d’or that year!!!
I'm a Liverpool fan so I have plenty of reasons to hate Wayne Rooney but he is criminally underrated. Prime Rooney was arguably the best striker in the world and there's only two maybe three Premier League strikers in history that should get in any team ahead of him.
He ain't underrated these Rory just knows nothing about football
One of them isnt Bergkamp
Why does everyone use the term criminally underrated these days
Who underrates him, he is one of the greatest players of all time.
Never won golden boot
Does Robbie not remember that Ronaldo won individual awards, like the Ballon D’or and Premier League player of the season, in 2008 as well? To say that Ronaldo didn’t contribute much that season is pretty irrational to say the least.
What else do you expect from a deluded fickle arsenal fan?
This your first time dealing with Arsenal fans 🤣🤣
They're all as deluded as TY. They just hide it better. Every so often, it comes out.
Not to mention hiw many goals he scored. In the league alone he scored more goals than Henry's best ever season. Muppets
i think theyve struggled to comprehend the fact that when ronaldo left united he was the best player in the world just coming off a ballon d'or win, which is why madrid wanted him and broke the world record transfer fee to sign him. ronaldos last season at united was the best individual season any player in PL history has had. the numbers salah is doing today in his prime from a front 3 still aint as good as the number ronaldo was doing from out wide in a 442 before he even hit his peak... shows you the level he was at
Why when Ronaldo was discussed the arguement was “Only for that season”
But when Ashley Cole was discussed it was “he was the goat throughout his career”?
When did that criteria change?
Robbie is a delusional fan whos stuck in the past so he uses whatever argument is needed in the certain situation. Absolute peanut brain when it comes to talking football
You have to understand he's English
Ronaldo is the last player to win the b'dor in the premier league
no one that play in the premier league win a b'dor 🤦🏾♂️ that alone cleared the debate
He's english
They think he's like the goat lol
Outside of England he's not even in a top 10 ahaha
how old were you during 2003/04??
C'mon Robbie mate!
As an arsenal fan, yeah bergkamp is amazing but even in that season, he was subbed on a lot and he didn't even score much that season, barely got 5 or 6 goals, Meanwhile Rooney in 08 was contributing to 30+ G+A. What a beast!
ffs have we all just forgotten Rooney man.
Bergkamp vs Cantona, who you picking?
This is hilarious…Ronaldo scoring 42 goals, winning the league and champions league double & winning World Player of the year off of the back of that season is “JUST” ahead of Pires who scored 14 and wasn’t even the best player in his team in 2004🤣 Have a word Robbie, Jesus Christ! Never mind the rest…no Rooney?!🤣
It’s disrespectful to laugh at Pires. Robbie didn’t laugh at Evra and that debate was over before it started.
@@rudymurillo9334 …that’s the point, he’s NOT laughing at Pires, he’s laughing at the notion ANYONE would be ahead of Ronaldo. Engage your brain
@@rudymurillo9334 ????? Both are easily Ronaldo over Pires and Evra over Cole.
The question should be how the actual F did Cashley get in instead of Evra & how was it even a debate about the Ronaldo/Pires who cares Pires was a good player???? 42 goals or 19 gee what a tough one that is?? 5 champions league's or how many does Pires have??
That is purely because Rory the so called impartial guy in the middle is a Chelsea fan so 2 out of 3 have a connection to him.
Evra completely dominated the PL in the exact SAME period he was playing in the PL for ManUtd that Cashley was for Chelski (2006/07 to 2013/14) and he beat Cole in a Champions league final in that period and clearly played better in that final than Cole who was beaten in a foot race by Cristiano who had about 20 meters to make up on Cole.
The identical times they played for their respective big title challenging teams is how it's so easy to see who's better🤦♂️ and Cole spent 14 years in PL playing for title challenging teams but still a couple less PL titles than Evra got in only 8 years. (And of course both moved to Seria A the following year and again Evra the more successful, Cole didn't even win anything in USA with LA galaxy).
They're both literally the same age as well. No excuses to not be able to compare them and see Evra was better.
And not to mention international football. Who got to a major final and who didn't even get to a semi-final?
Evra even got to CL final with Monaco same year Cole couldn't even get to semi-final with so called invincibles.
Cole won ONE PL title in EIGHT years at Chel$ki and that was because they got a million decisions all season and had to cheat home&away vs ManUtd to scrape above them by 1 point. He should literally have won none in 8 years. Evra should have 7 in 8 but still won 5 easily and was 1of the key players obviously.
Phil Neville made more contributions to PL league winning teams than Cashley did. Absolute fact you can easily back up.
Delusional Chelski & Arsenal fans. Then again they're the 2 teams who get the most decisions yet cry the most when they feel robbed.
@@cddb5408 tldr. Ashley cole is the best fullback in PL history. Just stfu and sit down.
@@gregwilson7540 he’s laughing at Pires, who is a great player. Robbie didn’t laugh at the idea of comparing Anyone to Henry. Because let’s face it, if you compare Rooney to Henry then it’s Henry hands down no question and Bergkamp >> Tevez all day. But that’s the difference between class and trash, we don’t have to ridicule the competition to try to make a point.
I know it’s not all about stats but…
Rooney 07/08: 18G & 14A in 43
Bergkamp 03/04: 5G & 9A in 38
Ronney 100% gets in the team. There is absolutely no need for stats to understand how good Rooney was.
Bergkamp ain't even close.
Bergkamp was sublime and had better seasons than 03/04. Loved him. But... Rooney at that time was a beast and pairing with Henry, scary and with Ronaldo and Freddie on the wings as well. Very, very scary.
@@gooner_duke2756 Rooneys best seasons are better than Bergkamp best ever seasons. Rooney dragged the worst utd sides in 25 years (at the time) aka 09 - 2012 on his own.
@@HXNZ99 Rooney was good but Bergkamp is far superior to Rooney
What a disgrace leaving Rooney out. If they are as you say 'perfection', then they should've won everything there is to win and break every record there is to break. Another argument would be that you say the combination is perfection and that you can't improve on perfection, but empirically you've never seen an Henry-Rooney combination have you. Absolutely mad, mad disrespect to arguably the best United player in history
And if it's combinations you need none of the arsenal cb's are gettin in its Ferdinand and Vidic all day if it's combinations you want no better cb pairing since the start of football try and convince me otherwise
Not to mention that Rooney at that time was an aggressive beast that would work his arse off. Henry would probably score more goals with Rooney as his strike partner tbh
Delusional arsenal fan
Bergkamp was a fabulous player but he's slightly overrated here. I couldn't pick him over Cantona. Cantona was winning leagues in that position, with Leeds AND Man United. Tremendous player. Rooney in his own way was even better IMO. 3 fantastic players though, no doubt!
I’m a Man City fan, and an enormous fan of Bergkamp too, he made me fall in love with the game. However, even I didn’t feel comfortable not having Rooney in that team, it goes against all my heart says, but Wayne Rooney was probably the most complete forward the premier league has seen. I’d argue Rooney with the likes of Shearer, Aguero and Henry. As much love as I have for Bergkamp, I don’t see him in the same debate.
“Influenced by what he went on to do” talking absolute shite. Ronaldo in 07/08 is arguably the best version of him. Best individual season in the premier league ever
Robbie has to be one of the most deluded fans ever
Was a brilliant season for him but it definitely isn't the best individual season in the premier league, Henry 02/03, Suarez 13/14 and Salah 17/18 are the top 3 best individual seasons in premier league history
Nah, as a United fan i'd say 13/14 Suarez and 02/03 Henry are better in terms of just PL seasons, CR7 had a better individual season taking into account everything besides PL though
@@cameronryan1744 really was. Goal numbers for those players are similar but no player has been anywhere near as good as he was that year. Only Suarez comes close. Salah no where near as good as Ronaldo was. Look at all the individual awards he won that season as well.
@@JB-vv1xc all three that I mentioned performed better than ronaldo did in the premier league, Henry had 49 goal contributions in the league, Suarez had 48 and Salah had 42, ronaldo had 37, he had a great season as a goalscorer but he lacked in his playmaking compared to Henry, Salah and Suarez, which is why I said they had better individual seasons than ronaldo did in the premier league
Picking Bergkamp over Rooney is deluded. Bergkamp was a great player. But a partnership of Rooney and Henry is unrivalled in this scenario. Don’t know why so many people sleep on Rooney. United and England top goal scorer and in his prime was one of the very best in the world.
Its debatable, its not deluded lmao, don't call it something you don't know the meaning of haha. It was based on that one season, and bergkamp and Henry as a duo was >
They are discussing only a particular season not the whole career
@@syrgentula8709 exactly
@@sxvati9760 Rooney can play with anyone He would of linked up well with Henry
Just like trying to pick evra over Cole 🤣🤣🤣
As soon as I saw him argue Pires over Ronaldo and actually decide Bergkamp over Rooney, I knew this team was done
Neville was very consistent in 07/08, in the fact he was injured for almost all of it
yea exactly, he missed so much
But that season Wes Brown assisted in the final and most people don't know this but he also was a member of the class of 92 and was a great player.
Huge respect to the magic of Bergkamp and his incredible partnership with Thierry, but people need to realise how elite a Henry/Rooney duo would be...
realise what... we don't know that we know Bergkamp and Thierry is magic
@@itshurtt395 I admire them 2 but they're not truly magic if they only won the league, yes they won it without losing but that means less matches because of not heavily focusing on the cups and champions league. the only true magic attack we've seen in football is msn. yes those 2 were fantastic but henry and rooney could've been next level
@@itshurtt395 they were magic for a couple seasons. Rooney was magic with and without Ronaldo, Tevez, RVP, RVN, Tevez and Berbatov. He played with everyone and was quality. He played without them and was quality. Disrespectful to one of the fee players who was world class at positions 8, 9 and 10.
@@itshurtt395 Rooney is better than both
@@TSF15152 Rooney ain't better than Henry bruv😂
Wes Brown played more games in the 07-08 season than any other Man Utd player. Got the assist in the Champions League final too. Poor that he barely gets a mention.
I couldn't believe it when he said Gary Neville! Sol Campbell over Vidic too? Makes zero sense to me.
People actually forget that Wes Brown was also a part of the Treble winning side, too
@@lukemomodujr yh he was yoiung then though and barely played i believe
@@umarrazvi Yeah you’re right. I think it was after that season he kept having injury issues though
@@lukemomodujr to be fair he was at the club nearly 20 years. A club like Man U thats not easy & even SAF said he was best natural defender utd had for years
Wayne Rooney is seriously underrated man. So much to say about him that even if I talked all day it would be less.
Wenger saw it too. He said he was the best English player he'd ever seen. Rooney was a truly fantastic player.
From my perspective, the first eleven without rooney is a crime. I’ll go with Henry & Rooney. Damn this duo is the most dangerous pair in striker.
Literally the most terrifying partnership in EPL history if they ever got to play together.
Listen I'll be bold and say Beckham is a staple in the best team. Those crosses from the RW and deadly at free kicks!
You can't argue Rooney, I'm a Liverpool fan and Rooney is still to this day criminally underrated. Did noone watch the c**t play??
exactly mate rooney was one of the best pl player iin history of all fcking time he is like top 3
I think it’s because he’s scouse you know English people
I feel that way about Bergkamp. Bergkamp is to the PL what Zidane was for La Liga.
He isn't criminally underated at all...just look at the comments...if anything he sometimes is overated
Respect
I’m a Liverpool fan and even I think it’s mental how much disrespect that united team is shown in this video!
It is because most teams don't win a league and champions league in the same season.
It’s not disrespect towards Man U, that Arsenal team with those players was just THAT good
@@JBM1428 Was it really? Winning the CL and the PL in the same season is way more impressive than going unbeaten in the PL. Remember, Arsenal only went unbeaten in the PL, it's not like they won anything else. You're fighting elite teams on both fronts. Arsenal were never good enough to win the CL. That's a pretty big blow to your cause.
Also, what did those invincibles achieve after that season? Aside from the FA cup and a choke in the champions league final, I would say they accomplished fuck all. Let's take a look at things from an objective standpoint.
Ashley Cole gets in to the team, I don't regard Cole as a top 10 LB ever (he's quite overrated actually) but I rate him slightly ahead of Evra.
CB pairings are just that; It's a relationship. The Ferdinand and Vidic combination was the main reason Utd's record in Europe was very good (2 runner ups to the best team ever in Barca, and a win and a sf loss against a great AC Milan team) from 2006-2011 was because of this relationship. That team on paper had no business making the final in 2011, and on paper were heavily outmatched in the final, yet still competed. Utd won a lot of 1-0's on this period and could rely on this because the defence was so good. Aside from one unbeaten season in the PL, Arsenal's CB pairing
VDS in goal. Lehman is a donk.
Right back, This could be a toss up. I'll go with Brown due to the fact he actually impacted the CL final. He might not have been as good as people thought, but he was normally always available.
Anyone who thinks Ljunberg was better than Nani is quite simply an idiot. Nani was inconsistent as fuck, but had the highest highs I have ever seen in a Man Utd player - this includes Cantona, Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes, Veron, anyone anyone anyone. In terms of peak level, I think Nani at his best trumps any other premier league player at their best. Some of his goals are just ridiculous. Like Messi level ridiculous.
Scholes and Carrick in the midfield. Just remember this invincibles team didn't even beat Utd in their unbeaten run; They drew 0-0 and 1-1. They did it in a time where chelsea and man city were not even threats, and the Utd team needed changes, and Liverpool were average. That invincible team are so overrated that Henry left them to go to the team that beat them, as he knew that team could not win the CL.
Vieira and Gilberto? Are these people on crack cocaine? Put Vieira and Gilberto in the midfield against Carrick and Scholes and the later can pass through them all day; You are talking about the best 2 passers in premier league history (alongside KDB and Silva. I do think Sancho could be in this list when his PL career ends).
Ronaldo scored 42 goals in that UCL/PL winning season. That's basically more than Henry has ever had in a single season at Arsenal. The most goals in a season Pires ever got was 19 and 17. So Ronaldo's goal contributions in his best season is still better than if you combine Pires' best two seasons.
Henry gets in. Quality player. Rooney also gets in. Rooney and Henry would be the best front 2 in PL history ever if they joined forces. Both players are very strong, can scrap when needed, although I think Rooney was more prepared to win ugly. Both players can play football and finish. I don't think anyone really would disagree with this. Out of the bunch, Henry was the best, with Rooney being the obvious 2nd choice.
Once Henry left arsenal after bottling the 06 final (it was a bottle job by Arsenal as a whole, that Barca team was there for the taking), Arsenal's house of cards fell apart. Utd lost Ronaldo and Tevez and were still a force in the PL and UCL. The only reason they aren't a force now is because their biggest loss was SAF.
@@bigwengz914 O winning the CL and league is more impressive than going unbeaten? Please do tell me how many teams have won the CL league double in europe compared to going unbeaten in their respective league? Dont chat shit
@@udaysethi In the Premier league, the only teams to have won the CL and the PL in the same season were Manchester United in 1999, and Manchester United in 2008.
In my time, the only teams who have won the domestic league and Champions league in the same season are Man Utd, AC Milan, Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munch. These teams are the best 5 teams in the history of football. The biggest institutions.
Winning the champions league is all what some of these teams like Real Madrid think of. They put waay much more stock into winning the champions league than winning la liga much less going unbeaten.
So, if a team had 38 draws in the PL and came 15th, you would value this higher than Utd's treble winning season?
The problem is I am speaking to an arsenal fan; They haven't won anything significant in nearly 20 years and have never won a CL.
Robbie and Rory have a connection u can tell😂 Bergkamp over Rooney?? Wtf man I’m done🤣
Can't believe they actually took that long to decide the midfield would be scholes and viera. Not only the best possible midfield partnership between these two teams which was so obvious, but arguably the best possible midfield partnership of premier league history
I dunno. I always liked Keano in that position. I never really understood why some people said Vieira was the better player. Bigger and more athletic maybe, but not better than Keane. I can't see Vieira forming a stronger partnership with Scholes than Keane did. No way.
That was a disgrace to be honest. Prime Rooney makes any team in the world. Rio and Vidic were a far superior partnership that Sol and Kolo.
Lol Casey good one 😃
Campbell and Vidic would be pure dirt.
@@danielvale5997 I don't think Campbell gets in. He was a great player, but not as good as Vidic or Rio.
As partnership they didn’t lose once, Vidic and Rio did even though they accomplished so much. That’s what makes that Arsenal defence so special, the fact that they did something no team in Europe’s top leagues did. Plus Sol is way better than Ferdinand any day.
@@mohammedhiranandani5810 They conceded more goals that season than united did in 2007/2008
He should have fought way harder for Roomey up top
It's like he didn't care
Dennis bergkamp is clear
@@bterty5743 no😂 went invincible and can’t win the a European cup
@@nd-1213 that doesn’t mean that Dennis bergkamp wasn’t an infinitely better footballer
@@bterty5743 he wasn’t rooney is the better footballer u probably weren’t even alive to watch berkamp play i watched him
and he was class but rooney was different he was better
@@nd-1213 if you actually understood football you’d know how elite bergkamp was. Don’t try and patronise me when you are talking waffle
I love Andy what a legend! Great content guys! Also props to the Don and Rory
If Howson or McKola had been on this, we'd be looking at 11 United counters on that board 😂
In all seriousness, 03/04 Bergkamp over 07/08 Rooney is a crime. And retaining the Premier League title for the second year in a row, on top of winning the Champions League, is a better achievement than going a season unbeaten (a third of their games ending in draws btw).
How come any of u lot never did it ever again…😌
@@preethamkrishnanpnair9012 how come you never won a UCL, let alone a double 🤷🏻♂️
Howson or mckola would have rinsed robbie. This guy is too nice
@@preethamkrishnanpnair9012 A double is far more impressing than the invicibles
That's just not true.
There are a few teams with doubles, nobody has gone undefeated!
Bias from both sides was crazy but even considering taking Robert Pires over 08’ Ronaldo is just brain dead 💀
No partnership was good enough to have both? I'm sorry😂😂what? Vidic and Rio is one of THE greatest partnerships
Only workes in arsenal's favour
Sol campel gets in over one of them without a doubt
@@ethanpetersen7318 Maybe you drunk
Don’t know where he got this one from, Rio and Vidic is still the best CB partnership in premier league history and it’s quite likely that it always will be
Exactly
Loved the video. Great banter!
The moment that AFTV guy argued Pires over Ronaldo I was done
So it’s all about combinations up front, meaning Rooney is somehow left out, but not when discussing arguably the best CB combination in Premier League history in Rio and Vidic. Isn’t Rory supposed to be there to adjudicate and stop this nonsense 😂
Wondering who was gonna pick up on that…
The man United representative was supposed to do that lol
Arsenal fans are absolutely deluded
Rory was so bad the second he chose Bergkamp over Rooney I knew it was gonna be a long video
@Elliot Rodger Dans right Arsenal fans are the epiphany of deluded
Arsenal Fan, Love bergkamp, sublime touch and passing, but over rooney??? No chance. How do so many people still underrate him after all achieved on a team and individual level, its actual insanity, not just a Man Utd all time great but a Premier League all time great. And just like Dennis one of the most unselfish players, always played for the team in any position required, imagine his record if he had always been the main man.
Bergkamp all day
Yeah no chance. Rooney all day. Linking up with Ronaldo and Henry??? C’mon mate
Bergkamp had more talent than anyone in PL ever but overall Rooney takes it for longevity and all round game
Prime Vs prime Rooney is the winner
@@benjack8477 you clearly not seen Bergkamp’s peak in the 97/98 season. Bergkamp is better then Rooney, has a better touch, better passing, the ability to dictate the tempo of the game. Rooney is a better goal scorer and more flexible as a player.
Rooney’s great but Bergkamp is slightly better imo
Gary Neville played 0 games in the Premier League in 2007-08, and only made 1 appearance in the UCL that season. But apparently he was "consistent throughout the season"
Yes it was Wes Brown at right back or Hargreaves.
I mean, there are clear indications that both of them are just too biased to admit a player from the other team deserves the spot. Robbie not immediately conceding for Ronaldo over Pires, and Andy not agreeing with Ashley Cole over Evra is proof enough.
as an arsenal fan… Rooney needs to get in 😂😂😂
No way?
Yeah but berkamp must too
@@Mmm-ix7eh how does his opinion make millions of fans look bad... What a very childish argument.
@@Mmm-ix7eh it weren't that delusional, Bergkamp was insane but yh I'd say Rooney edges it over Bergkamp
@@josephsamuel4076 arsenal fans are deluded
Rooney has to get in that team ahead of bergkamp
Bit early for crack mate
@@Jaml1986 Bergkamp had 3 goals that season and 3 assists 🤣🤣🤣 Rooney had 19 goals and 14 assists
@@Jaml1986 deluded deluded arsenal fans ....
The fact that Wayne Rooney hasn’t been picked here is an absolute shambles
Even if you put Robbie with a Barca or Madrid fan to make an all time 11 he’d somehow try to make it mostly Arsenal players
“idk mate Zidane, Messi, CR7 and R9 sounds good but what about Alexis Sanchez and Giroud?” Lol
Trying to get Pires over Ronaldo is laughable and Rooney has to go in over Bergamp.
Andy is terrible at fighting his corner though 😂😂
for me Pires was better.
@@santemedical6802 you're standard are to low mate 🥴
@@santemedical6802 better than messi to than
@@santemedical6802 give me what ur smoking please
@@santemedical6802 no one cares Sante
this is the only Andy Tate we need 🙌🏻
There's another person named Andy tate
Worst arguments I’ve ever seen, the whole team should’ve been united with Henry Cole but he couldn’t even argue for anyone, guy accepted Man Utd greatest ever player in the modern era Rooney couldn’t make it in
People saying Rooney over Bergkamp 😭😭 if Rooney was Dutch we wouldn’t even be having this debate
Tate let Robbie bully him. Man said Campbell over Vidic.
Brought the wrong United Fan on 🤦🏾♂️
Rooney in my opinion is the greatest Premier League player behind Henry. Not having him in this team is criminal.
Fully agree with you
rooney was overrated after the age of 26
I agree, you can't think of Premier League football and not think of Wayne Rooney, and of course Henry arguably the best player in the world at one point, sounds like a great duo to me 🔥
I'd put Henry, Lampard, Giggs and Gerrard before Rooney.
I'm a Rooney fan and as great as he is you don't just disregard Dennis fucking Bergkamp. Its properly debatable
Rooney one of the most underrated players in the history of the prem. Only Henry & Suarez you could argue are better.
Facts
Aguero as well
Aguero has highest goals per minute in prem history
Aguero was a scary
Drogba? Aguero? Shearer?
Ye, untrue
So the partnership logic is used to get Bergkamp in, but a centre back partnership doesn't see vidic get in ? 🤦♀️
Manager: SAF
Keeper: Van Der Sar
Defence: Lauren Rio Vidic Cole
Mid: Freddie Viera Scholes Ronaldo
Forward: Henry Rooney
Best CB partnership in PL history
Rory isn't a good mediator at all, I have a feeling he was always leaning toward arsenal.if we are to be honest the central defense has vidic and Rio, and Wayne Rooney can't miss in that team
If Henry and Bergkamp was perfection why didn’t Arsenal completely obliterate both England and Europe ???
He didn’t fly & we never had the officials on the payroll
Thing is back then, Wenger used to focus a lot on the league and would rest* our big players for European games. Used to drive Arsenal fans mad.
Champions League has always been huge but it wasn't what it is now back from when it was rebranded till about 2004, ironically. With a much weaker squad when we focused on Europe, we made the final in 2006, which we should have won. Add to that what Tris 87 Don said. Say what you want about that great Barca team for example, they could have done big things even without official bias, but it definitely helped them on some important occasions.
@@stiflerclaus but yet Arsenal were never even able to with back to back prems with a strike force that was apparently perfection
@@coreyboachie well Henry only started really coming into his own and being at his very best at the start of the 01/02 season. We won 2 out of 3 and bottled it in 02/03, which to United's credit, they capitalized on and just knicked it from us in the final couple of gameweeks.
After the invincible season, Bergkamp was slowing down and wasn't getting as much minutes due to his age, so they only really had 3 good seasons together with both of them at the top of their game. One at the start of his prime, and the other approaching the twilight of his career. That united team was very good man. We're talking about a team that had it's core players for a long time and won 3 on the spin just before our 3 year spell of arguably being the best team in England.
Henry and Bergkamp were genuinely magic together man, but a point Robbie didn't touch on was that whilst they were a good partnership, the front 4 were all interlinked as a unit, and that stood out far more than the Henry and Bergkamp partnership. It's a tough one to leave Rooney out, that's for sure. I'd be happy to have Henry-Rooney or Henry-Bergkamp on this team.
@@stiflerclaus respect to you but his(Robbie’s) ability to force the dumbest arguments in the video was what annoyed me
How Pires v Ronaldo was even a debate cmon man 😂
Cristiano Ronaldo in 2007/08 was the top goal scorer in the Premier League and Champions League, won the League and UCL, won the premier league player of the year, won the Balon'dor and the world player of the year.
Come on Tate, you're letting Robbie walk all over Rooney like that 😂
How did Robbie talk WAYNE FRICKING ROONEY out of the team
At this rate, Robbie is going to be on every TV channel, CZcams channel and radio channel. Can’t wait to see him in Stranger Things. 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Team who drew so much games VS a team that dominated England and Europe. At least 9 United players should be here, at least
Bergkamp was all about elegance and style, Rooney for me, was the epitomy of a complete footballer. He was almost as good defensively as he was offensively, he covered every inch of grass, leading scorer for club and country , too many ticks for Rooney over the brilliant bergkamp
Bergkamp vs Cantona, who you picking?
How the hell can the combined 11 have 7/8 Arsenal players when they only won 1 trophy and underperformed in every other competition, especially in Europe?
The only way that possible is if they had a mediocre coach, and I don't think Wenger was mediocre. Make it make sense lol
Maybe cause they were unbeaten that season
@@gunnerglory And? They still won 1 trophy and were mid in every other competition
United at least won 3 trophies that year, they were the more successful team.
If Arsenal were that good, had such a great manager how the hell did they flop so hard in every other competition?
@@De3dSh0t they got to the semi finals of both league cup and fa cup, and got to the CL quarters, a flop by that teams standard? maybe but let's not exaggerate. Rooney over Bergkamp that season and you could argue about Campbell and Ferdinand, Vidic must be there
@@Babasulsuprem fam they were the absolute best team on the planet that year, only Milan was on their level at the time. Best team in England but only won 1 out of the 4 trophies? They didn't even get to a cup final lol, and didn't get to the last 4 of the UCL.
For me the 11 would be:
VDS
Lauren - Vidic - Rio - Cole
Rooney - Vieira - Scholes - Ronaldo
Bergkamp - Henry
@@De3dSh0t Their invincibles lost to Chelsea in the UCL over 2 legs & Man Utd in the Fa cup. The invincible is a fraud. There was no 'top 4' 'top 6' then.
As an arsenal fan i love henry, i love bergkamp, but after henry…rooney was my guy…most people who don’t even support united love rooney, he was literally the peoples player..this whole team is void just because rooney isn’t in it
The Ljungberg one is difficult for me as a swede and a man Utd fan, like i hate arsenal but i can’t deny my fellow country man like that and he was insane that season
Van Der Sar, Lauren, Ferdinand, Vidic, Cole, Scholes, Vieira, Giggs, Ronaldo, Rooney, Henry.
deluded man u fan
@@hamzaburhan781 ahah can’t handle facts
Only right answer
Giggs was in bed with his brothers wife in 08. All the way upto 2014
@@hamzaburhan781 speaking facts you clown
Rooney not making this team is absolutely pathetic, I'd have also gone Nani over Park if I was Andy (not saying he'd get in over Ljungberg but he'd have more of a case). I'd argue Vidic over Cambell too, one thing's for sure; no way should it be 7-4 either way.
Right back was Wes Brown that full season with John O Shea playing a few games
Rooney and Henry would be a deadly combination
Even debating that Pires is in the same conversation as Pires once again shows that anybody can run a football youtube channel! Pires was amazing but Ronaldo is on another planet!
Even debating evra over Cole 🤣🤣
Also Rooney should be over Bergkamp
@@only2genders546 Evra was in the PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2006-07, 2008-09, 09-10 3 years straight at his peak... also rated as the best leftback in the world by Fifa in 2009 so yeah he was better than a young Ashley Cole at Arsenal.
@SONLEY sort your head out you absolute weapon Cole was arguably the best top 3 LB in the world take your pathetic Man U glasses off clearly don’t know about football outside of Man U 🤦🏻 Child
To be fair, it’s hard to have a conversation about Pires without having Pires in that same conversation
Robbie used the chemistry card when he wanted to snub my man Rooney but then forgot it when it was time to put Rio and Vidic in there, best partnership of PL
They were asked for those seasons specifically and they only used that to try to move the point to their advantage...
Rory's got to be firmer there. Bergkamp was a great player but Rooney is one of the great players. No comparison
Berkgkamp was amazing but he should not be in there over Rooney, wtf 😂😂😂😂
I'm surprised Ryan Giggs wasn't mentioned
“Combination” in a combined eleven. Makes complete sense
Robbie expressing his inner ty
Love how you’ve humoured Robbie here… The whole 11 is the 08 United team. Second best EPL team after Utd’s 99 team.
tevez>henry???😆😆😆😆
What you think 99 team is better then the 08 team.. it's like saying who do u love more your grandad or your nan ... lol both teams we would have in a heartbeat .... how times change .. let's just hope for a good season
Delusional lad
You might actually have autism if you think Henry doesn’t make this team
@@laurencombs6016 it’s a toughie!
Don Robbie does it again w the pronunciation.. Louis vee on 😂😂
Van Der Sarr would block a shot and stay quiet. He ain't yell, ain't shout at his defenders, ain't do nun keepers do nowadays, just block a shot and keep it moving. It was his job to defend the goal, silent killer, love him.
I think wayne and henry as front two would be a nightmare. Its match made in heaven. I love Bergkamp too but rooney prime and henry prime is just fire. Sometimes leave club loyalty and think from team building. Both of them could pass dribble shoot and compliment any player they played with. Both of them made others look good. And defended as well. And plus their winning mentality was out of this planet.
If you put them together in their prime and placed them into the PL right now they'd absolutely destroy teams - especially now you can't get kicked around like they used to put up with back in the day.
GK - Van Der Sar
RB - Gary Neville
CB - Nemanja Vidic
CB - Rio Ferdinand
LB - Ashley Cole
RM - Cristiano Ronaldo
CM - Patrick Viera
CM - Paul Scholes
LM - Robert Pires
ST - Wayne Rooney
ST - Thierry Henry
How can it be Gary Neville when he didn't play a single game that season. In 07/08 he started 0 games in that season. Lauren was better in that season by default.
This.
Arsenal's Invincible v Man Utd '08 eras but argued about whole career of those some players
I’m an arsenal fan…. Tate’s gleeful laugh when Rob mentioned the champions league final had me in bits haha
Bergkamp was a technical genius but for me prime Rooney
Andy was played big time. Vidic for Campbell and Rooney for Bergkamp
GK - Van Der Sar
LB - Cole
CB - Ferdinand
CB- Vidic
RB - Lauren
RW - Ljunberg
CM - Viera
CM - Scholes
LW - Ronaldo
ST - Rooney
ST - Henry
Question. How do you choose a CB pairing that lost 5 games in the 07/08 season over the CB pairing that lost 0 games in the 03/04 season?
@@eldotjay answer is in the stats. Arsenal actually conceded more their invincible season than Man United ‘08. On top of that Arsenal were only 3 points ahead of United was in those respective seasons but Arsenal fans always make it sound like a blowout
@@mpah4424 22 goals conceded vs 26. Arsenal finished on 90 and United finished on 87. United loosing 5 games and Arsenal loosing 0. Stats would show to Campbell and Toure being a better defensive partnership despite conceding 4 more goals. Because it never cost the team a loss. The team also finished with more points.
@@eldotjay Arsenal having zero losses doesn’t completely correlate to Toure and Campbell being better defenders because it’s a team sport. The idea of this segment was to see the players individually it wouldn’t be just to say “because Arsenal hasn’t lost a game they are better players etc” if that was the case then there shouldn’t be a Man United player in the 11 especially that GK spot which went to Van Der Sar
@@mpah4424 that is a fair comment. I’m which case no one should really be up in arms about Campbell being in over Vidic. A lot of football fans rate Campbell more than Vidic, including Andy Tate as birthed out in this video.
How do you expect me to take this seriously when you can't let Rooney in this team
Might as well of had Ty on this debate. Turned it off as soon as he picked Bergkamp over Rooney and tried to argue Pires v CR7! 😂
Van der Sar
Lauren, Vidic, Ferdinand, Cole
Ljungberg, Vieira, Scholes, Ronaldo
Henry, Rooney
This was basically just Rory and Robbie teaming up against Andy
You see Ty didn't go in a Robbie costume? 🤣
you cant argue a partnership up front then go to defense which is just as important partnership then want to choose 1 from each
Van de Sar is the most underrated keeper to have been in the league! Best of them all if you ask me
Come on Rooney is clear. His prime was better and his career achievements alone
As much I respect you guys it’s almost unbelivable to me he compared Ashley Cole to Maldini and disrespected Evra in the same sentence I know you raise your player up in the sky but come on, undeniably an amazing lb but u know what i mean
Van Der Sar, Cole, Campbell, Vidic, Lauren, Viera, Scholes, Ljundburg, Ronaldo, Henry, Rooney
Bergkamp was a hard drop! Also Giggs would make Left and Ronaldo on the right in earlier seasons.
Beckham left the chat...🚶♂️
I'm an Arsenal fan, but ngl I would have Vidic over Sol Campbell. Don't get me wrong I like Sol Campbell and he was a great CB, but I have to give it to Vidic, he was a warrior in that defense.
Jesus Christ man, you're arguing Vidic over Sol Campbell when these f**king imbeciles have put Rio f**king Ferdinand in the team????
No
And rooney in place of bergkamp
You’re probably not even an Arsenal fan lmao. Campbell was miles ahead of vidic people are just nostalgia merchants. Even Van Dijk is better than vidic ever was
@@jeanlannes4375 You're entitled to your own opinion, but at least you understand probability. You're still wrong, but at least you said "probably".
Rooney & Henry 🔥🔥 Deadly duo.
VDS
Neville - Vidic - Ferdinand - Cole
Cristiano Ronaldo - Vieira - Scholes - Pires
Rooney - Henry
4-4-2: 7 United players, 4 Arsenal players.
Bergkamp over Rooney is shocking. Expected Rory to step in there