Srila Prabhupada Was Not Equal To Women
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His Divine Grace A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupāda clearly said, that female Krishna devotees are different to usual females, but even usual ladies must be taken care of... And since we are spirit souls, I do not worry about little things in material world. Krishna consciousness made me more gently, soft, feminine, I started love to look like a lady, stopped swearing, but I do not obsessed by my look, I just want to be better person, better human being and noble soul...
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Hare Krishna 🙏
*On the spiritual platform there are no material distinctions but in the material world distinctions exist. One should strive for the spiritual platform without being obsessed with material distinctions.*
Hare Krishna, dear Bhakti Vikasa Maharaj.
Please accept my humble obeisances at your beautiful lotus feet.
I saw this when it was posted on Facebook, and am listening again to fully understand your perspective.
This is necessary for opening my eyes and perspective to things I’m not used to.
I love you dearly, and want to learn from you and have my misconceptions burned away by your wisdom. 🙏🏻🙇🏻♀️🥺
Dandvat pranam, my beloved Swami ji.
Hare Krishna mataji!
Please Accept My Humble Obeisances.
I don't know how to say this. But nobody has said it so I have to.
People like you are required to spread the real KC movement otherwise it'd be soon overtaken by watered down concocted feel good kind of new spirituality.
But real benefit could be derived only by following guru, sadhu and shastras. It takes intelligence to note this. To obtain mercy of Krishna, pleasing Srila Prabhupada is required.
So, people like you who uses their intellect to see the real teachings are going to be very much required as Kaliyuga would strengthen it's stronghold in coming days. As you might've noticed Kaliyuga has already invaded ISKCON in many ways, one way cuz of spineless edgy preachers who just try hard to be politically correct and please people. Instead of speaking boldly in service of Srila Prabhupada.
We can't be complacent. We can't see the movement of Srila Prabhupada go down the path he never wanted.
May Srila Prabhupada bless us.
Hare Krishna
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Hare Krishna, prabhu.
Thank you for these words of encouragement. 🙏🏻
All women need is to be treated without abuse, with respect and as one of the "mother's" on this Earth. Women hold a high position as Mother figure..It is important for women to act respectable..and to know to control their powers into positive, chaste direction.. Women and men are learning about true integrity and both sexes cannot allow themselves to be carried away by uncontrolled desires🙏🙏🙏🙏
Many western women consider the position of mother to be lowly and shameful. They feel insulted to be called mother, and to be thought of as a mother they perceive as being looked down upon as a meanial slave; or in the least, one who is expected to bear disproportionately the burden of emotional labour (empathy) and mental load (watching for loose ends in poorly conceived rules and daily planning). Such women will certainly not feel respected by having the title of mother placed on them, regardless of intent.
@@honortruth3600 *Men call them as Mothers because Mother is not a sexual object. In Kaliyug women are looked upon as sexual objects by many and women also dress up in provocative ways to further that impression.*
Can you make a video on "why srila Prabhupada said women like rape"? Because the half audios of srila Prabhupada on this topic on internet are spreading fake stories of Srila Prabhupada 🙏 please i request to make a video on this. Hare Krsna
That conversation was taken out of context. Prahbupada was talking about how a lawyer got a man out of a rape charge by saying the woman felt pleasure during a rape! He said the lawyer won this case by hook or by crook! You have to listen to the whole conversation!! Rascals tried to make his devine Grace look bad by only playing part of the conversation!!
@@jedsteelwell2354more specifically Christians do
Thank you thank you so much for telling us about this @@jedsteelwell2354 and if you don't mind, would you like to share a full video of the topic if it was recorded. Hare Krsna 🙏
Why srila Prabhupada said girls enjoy being rape
Marry more than one women to enjoy sex life when your first wife is pregnant?
Why he said these? Any reason please explain me...
I got my answer 🙏 and he was right his videos & audios are misinterpreted & it's not full video & audio, chant hare krishna & be happy read gita 🙏✅
Bhai are you sure that He was not saying these things about women?
@@kushalshah4384 *Hindu dharm allows multiple wives for men. If you read the scriptures there are numerous instances of multiple wives of men.*
@@allahthepimp2283 if husband die wife do SATI but if wife die husband marry again is it our culture??????
A man can marry another woman when his wife is pregnant for his sexual appetite but what about woman
The brahmana sees with equal vision, all creatures, dog, dogeater cows, brahmana, elephant or others. . Does that mean that Srila Prabhupada excluded woman?. From his, equal vision...
You know that BG 5.18 is in relation with soul right? With soul there isn't any difference with body? Yes, sir there is.
Pasting the entire purport by Srila Prabhupada, so that we don't get too excited to become one with God in our endeavour of equal vision:
BG 5.18 Purport:
A Kṛṣṇa conscious person does not make any distinction between species or castes. The brāhmaṇa and the outcaste may be different from the social point of view, or a dog, a cow and an elephant may be different from the point of view of species, but these differences of body are meaningless from the viewpoint of a learned transcendentalist. This is due to their relationship to the Supreme, for the Supreme Lord, by His plenary portion as Paramātmā, is present in everyone’s heart. Such an understanding of the Supreme is real knowledge. As far as the bodies are concerned in different castes or different species of life, the Lord is equally kind to everyone because He treats every living being as a friend yet maintains Himself as Paramātmā regardless of the circumstances of the living entities. The Lord as Paramātmā is present both in the outcaste and in the brāhmaṇa, although the body of a brāhmaṇa and that of an outcaste are not the same. The bodies are material productions of different modes of material nature, but the soul and the Supersoul within the body are of the same spiritual quality. The similarity in the quality of the soul and the Supersoul, however, does not make them equal in quantity, for the individual soul is present only in that particular body whereas the Paramātmā is present in each and every body. A Kṛṣṇa conscious person has full knowledge of this, and therefore he is truly learned and has equal vision. The similar characteristics of the soul and Supersoul are that they are both conscious, eternal and blissful. But the difference is that the individual soul is conscious within the limited jurisdiction of the body whereas the Supersoul is conscious of all bodies. The Supersoul is present in all bodies without distinction.
Hare Krishna maharaj, thank you for sharing 🙏
Great devotee of srila prabhupada..it makes a lot for sp to be bold to speak the truth..unlike many cowards in the garb of sanyasi manipulating n put sp work to stake..kudus to bhakti vikas maharaj
please accept my humblest obesiances, all glories to Srila prabhupada, about upvotes, you have mine;=)))))) please keep preching the truth as it is
I think the points raised are fair and I agree with Swamiji. My only disagreement would be in the area of intelligence where if a women is proven to be more suitable for handling positions of authority or imparting knowledge, why should the opportunity not be given to her because of her gender? How does it benefit Srila Prabhupada's movement to put somebody less qualified because he is a man?
That's correct 👍
That's the very point that Krishna makes in Bhagavad gita; that: just because one is expert at some activity: doesn't necessarily mean that it's beneficial for one's spiritual life, or that it helps one to develop qualities in line with one's nature. The question is; "I can do it and well, but is it good for my personal development?" This is a complex subject and one that ideally is dealt with by the guru.
Womens are 4 times more intelligent than man in the social point of view (Garuda Purana 1.109.34)
But womens are less intelligent in emotional point of view (rig veda 8 . 33. 17)
So in different point of view it is different.
@@gopa7067 Exactly correct Krsna says it twice not just once, it is such an important instruction. In Bg 3.35 and 18.47. If you do your prescribed duty you are protected from any sinful reaction. But if you do others you are not protected and it is displeasing to Krsna.
See Bg 3.35 and 18.47
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Hare Krsna,
Someone has to say this, whoever does not understand what BVKS wants to say, has to study the texts of S.P. and go deeper into the text and the holy name, for a higher understanding.
No women and men are not the same, but they can have equal status... If you use difference to create a hierarchy where men are higher on the totem pole then that is misogyny... but that is the tradition is patriarchal cultures.
thankyou Hare Krishna
Hare krsna
Dandwat pranam Maharaj
I bow down to your lotus feet oh prabhu hare Krishna
Jai jai guru maharaj
Hare Krishna Prabhu I believe in you
Excellent
Are they equal in the Platform of Bhakti ? Does Krsna make a distinction between male and female devotee?
no
Yaa they are equal..Yet u see be any devotee of lord,Gopis were more fortunate being in pure devotion with lord Krishna..Gopis were highly devoted in pure love with Krishna ❤️..And u see Gopis were in female body ..So see being in female body and more fortunate than other devotees..there isn't any distinction between male and female..but still Gopis being female were more fortunate ❤️🙏..Hare Krishna
Just read about Saint Andaal 😀
@@JustMe54328 *Christian Saints are terr0r1sts. Read about Saint Xaviers and why Papi Pope declared him as saint for Goa Inquisitions.*
@@rish9649The.gopis are Pure and Divine , eternal .The body of a woman and man in this world is a rotting carcase, stool.😊
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I understand that a Sanyasis must be protect from his own mine. So externally may be for newfite looks like he is not so kind, but it's only Maya. In fact is not licke this. Humble reverences Maharaj, thank you. Haribooool 🙏🙏
Love
Hare krishna Jay prabu Pa
*On the spiritual platform there are no material distinctions but in the material world distinctions exist. One should strive for the spiritual platform without being obsessed with material distinctions.*
Male and female are never equal. Both of them. Male is not equal to female and female not equal to male, but together they are complete (if the my follow dharma)
*Together Man and Woman are entangled in the material world. Hence for spiritual development, this attachment must be renounced.*
Sadhu,sadhu!
This is a little beyond me all that can be said is that there are and have been fully enlighted women . Its a topic for those who wish to speak for the sake of self fulfilment, but trying to explain something that is only understood on that enlighted level of consciousness
*Read about Mata Shabri and how Bhagvan Ram went to meet her first instead of all the men ascetics.* *On the spiritual platform there are no material distinctions but in the material world distinctions exist. One should strive for the spiritual platform without being obsessed with material distinctions.*
@@allahthepimp2283 what are you talking about, all the male ascetics had already left back to Godhead and she was alone waiting for Rama as the male ascetics had promised He would come to see her.
If you want the movement to grow and continue some things must change when it comes to women! Prahbupada was coming from colonial India 100 years ago when 30 year old men was marrying 14 year old girls. Some things must change with the times or the movement will die.
интересно, кто поставил дизлайк? ЕМ ММ прабху, это Вы?
Freedom from arrogant gurus, which is why I left the movement in 1972. I see they continue to dominate.
Your loss.
I’ve experienced “arrogant” devotees. This devotee does not appear in anyway arrogant to my eyes and ears.
What has happened is that “radical feminism” has taken western culture to the edge of chaos.
Balance is what we all need. Not extremes.
The only Guru in Iskcon in 1972 is Srila Prabupada. What are you talking about? 😊
Har Krishna Dear GuruMaharaj Please accept my humble obeisance unto your lotus feet🙏🙏🙏 Thank so much for your valuable time & nector vanni again on this.
Men & Women are not in equal position & why should be? Radha Krishna, Parvathy Parmeswar, Seetha Ram.... In Scriptures women are so respectful than men.Women have been cared by in all sides, Then what is the point of talking equality. We need to follow as Srila Prabhupadha have taught us& Guru& Sastra
Hare Krishna 🙏
Jaya SrilaPrabhupadha
Jaya GuruMaharaj 👏👏👏
Please accept my humble obeisance greetings I Bowdon provhu
Right, in the seventies there was no reason for Vaishnavis to step into managerial positions. Everything was expanding nicely run by male devotees, sannyasis, male grhasthas. However, after Prabhupada's departure, unelected male leaders started to perform catastrophically. Practically in seven Western European countries, the Hare Krishna movement has been destroyed. Male grhasthas are unable to maintain their families with everything complete, sannyasa fall-down rate is 90%. Of course, the gurus were also failing down in many cases. From material point of view, male Vaishnavas lost their status of being in a superior position.
This is a very strange comment sounds like something concocted by the Women's Ministry as the ISKCON version of the common Feminist mythology that male leadership ruined the world. But if women were in charge we would have a benign utopia blah blah blah. The fall downs (not just males were falling down, but also females, it takes two to tango) occurred because Western devotees both male and female didn't follow SP's instructions to implement Varna Ashrama Dharma. The same didn't happen in ISKCON India because by traditional culture there is a tendency to keep the sexes apart. So the real reason for the problems in the West is that they want to remain Westerners and not adopt Krsna's Vedic culture and how to behave as humans as taught by following VAD culture. They didn't want to follow actual Vaisnava culture. But in India ISKCON is booming because of the tendency to follow Vedic culture is still there. But now ISKCON West wants to impose their mllecha values on ISKCON India. To see what happens when females lead religions looks at how the female led Church of Sweden is being gutted and losing more and more people every year. They have closed more than 100 churces since 2000 tinyurl.com/rfyphu3 and they have lost more than 1 million members.
Now we know who didn't like this video
@lenny108 This kind of crazy "logic" is why sastra says women are less intelligent. Better to keep quite and not let everyone realize the truth about you. You give us all a bad name.
@@bhaktilatadasi3243 it’s actually spelled “quiet” not “quite”.
“Quite” has a completely different meaning than what you were wanting to convey.
“Quiet” means; to make little or no noise,
“Quite” means; to the utmost or most absolute extent or degree. (Example: “it’s quite hot outside”)
@@Atma-tq6zi we didnt need your whole essay on it
Hare Krsna, main mysogins are female, and concerning male secretaries maybe some of them are better than women in that role, who knows, but we can learn that time place and circumstances change, even if the fact that both male and female equally pretend to be the best, this remain the same... let's greet kaly yuga, the age of quarrels 🌸🙏
I've started up my own religion.
and what is it called
I will only say one thing, the day feminism will come in Iskcon, Iskcon will fall down! right now whatever iskcon is teaching is proper dharma, purusha and stree dharma are different, the day you will make same dharma for both in the name of equality, I will say u will disgrace u r guru prabhupad! when there is a difference in gender, there will be stree and purusha, if there is no difference in both of them, then u r napumsaka linga, not stree or purusha! preserve the stree and purusha dharma taught by u r guru, don't spoil it, just because some liberals and activists said so, u r the last and only hindu organization teaching proper dharma, there is reason why women can not be priests, beacause yagna is purusha dharma, stealing others dharma is papa, following u r designated dharma is punya. temple rituals can not be done without yaganopaveetham, it is purusha dharma to wear yagnopaveetham, if u try to make others dharma as yours then u will suffer from dosha, don't play around with spiritual force, I have told u what I know, if u want to go ahead with spoiling dharma, then go ahead, but u will face the consequences. Remeber Lord Shani will not be playing around when your sade sath will come in future! Again I will say, don't play with spiritual rituals, rules and force, it won't be good for you only! And also, your Krishna doesn't like people who don't follow their dharma, and who want to spoil existing dharma!
ISKCON must change its view on women's duties and rights, otherwise their downfall is near. Even God descended in every millennium in accordance with the setup of the society. Vedic civilization was appropriate for vedic times, those are not appropriate for today's society. Times is changing and considering a bunch of rules and regulations to be perfect for all times to come is foolishness.
*The basic principle of a civilised society striving for spiritual development is segregation of the sexes. Intermingling of the sexes is animal society.*
What do you think is not foolishness? What's ur plan then?
Instead of being political mind, read scriptures and also know about outside and future age of kali.
The more you deviate from the rules and regulations the more you suffer, we can practically see that. Every feminist is anxiety driven and depressed because they are going against there nature. In the name of feminism woman will just be exploited.
Gbc
Hare Krsna......its not that the only result of inequality is that women think men are misogynists...its that the men think that they are superior...which goes against the teaching of Bagavadgita which states...Aham Brahmasmi...I am not the body I am spirit soul....BAS.
I agree. That's why I don't follow Gaudiya vaishnava sampradāya which ISKCON broadcasts and preaches.
Advaita vedanta is more liberal and has a scientific approach for rational minds and is therefore open to everybody unlike ISKCON.
ISKCON doesn't give equal status to women and men. They consider women as a secondary class.
The quote Aham Brahmasmi that you have just quoted here is not well versed by the ISKCONites as they don't give it any due credit
u bother abt woman, because you conditioned. u r not liberated soul, and must act according body conditioning. that is mean use varnaasrama culture.
woman and men are equal only on spiritual level.
BG as it is 16.7purport:
Now, in the Manu-saṁhitā it is clearly stated that a woman should not be given freedom. That does not mean that women are to be kept as slaves, but they are like children. Children are not given freedom, but that does not mean that they are kept as slaves. The demons have now neglected such injunctions, and they think that women should be given as much freedom as men. However, this has not improved the social condition of the world. Actually, a woman should be given protection at every stage of life. She should be given protection by the father in her younger days, by the husband in her youth, and by the grownup sons in her old age. This is proper social behavior according to the Manu-saṁhitā. But modern education has artificially devised a puffed-up concept of womanly life, and therefore marriage is practically now an imagination in human society. The social condition of women is thus not very good now, although those who are married are in a better condition than those who are proclaiming their so-called freedom. The demons, therefore, do not accept any instruction which is good for society, and because they do not follow the experience of great sages and the rules and regulations laid down by the sages, the social condition of the demoniac people is very miserable.
@@ajaydalaya2195 Thank you for your attempt to fit in things which don't even fit at this place.
Yes you are right, Advaita is toooooo open-minded. I God, you God, evryone God.
pretty cool and 'equal'
Thats the reason *I* dont follow Advaita. Too *"liberal"* and *"rational"* for me..
@@ajaydalaya2195 Advaita is against the Vedas which teach Varna Ashrama Dharma, which has very strict gender roles. Avaita is mayavada, a very sophisticated system of atheism.
So Katherine you are not your body. Great. Do you wear clothes when it is cold? Why are you feeding food to that body which you are not? Why do you need a house? Do you go to a doctor? Why do you do all these things? Because while you are not your body - you still have one which you are entrapped with in. Anyway, you sound like a typical feminist who hates men so I am wasting my time.
Why am I not a man. It's hell in being a girl.
hell is being not Kṛṣṇa conscious, but not being woman or man. All living being suffer.
Dont say that you should be privilaged to be a women on earth, You have the capability of producing a being out of your own body and dont worry abt this society it will all fade away
Shreemati RADHA RANI is a women The very power potency of ShreeKrishna ,even here SHREE itself brings the presence of Radhey ,never ever belittle yourself in any damn situation
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You have been a man!
We've all been a man, woman, plant, Saint and sinner!!!
This is prerequisite understanding of Bhagvad Gita.
YOU ARE NOT THIS BODY!!! You want to be a man and suffer in this horrendous material world?
How about something better and be in spiritual world and be with Krishna and serve him? For doing that we need to follow what Krishna has said in shastras, so that we can develop love for him.
This is all very easy to understand when you think about it.
Please don't take it personally. I'm saying this for everyone who is still stuck with bodily conception of life.
@@akashverma4280 THAT IS NOT TRUE AT ALL