The Challenges of Harikesa
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Recorded on 13 March 2021 in Chennai, Tamil Nadu, India.
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AC Bhakti Vedanta Swami Srila Prabhupda had the luxury of taking his time to accept First Initiation and Sanyasi, He waited until it was the right moment at each step of his life. These young western kids were thrown into the most difficult of challenges from a young age and they did more to advance KC than anyone in modern history.
I believe it is time to forgive their short comings and heal wounds if possible and give them the credit they deserve.
Śrila Prabhupada by himself was not specifically planning to accept the order of sannyasa, as he was reluctant to do so. Eventually, Śrila Prabhupada did so under the pressure of some of his Godbrothers. Paramahamsa devotees do not always accept renounced order of life (sannyasa) officially. Some examples are: Śrila Bhaktivinoda Thakura and Śrila Gaura Kisiora Dasa Babaji.
@@manohara7073 Exactly! Western ISKCON devotees had / have a miss understanding of what Sannyasa was. You could marry, have kids and still practice/spread KC. Matter of fact, I believe it is easier to be practice if you are single and living in a temple, free of material entanglement, but also not as genuine. If you go through the fire of family life and still practice, you are much more advanced.
Devotees always forget SP was married with kids, had business, went to college and retired. Only after retirement and his kids were older that he accepted Sannyasa, meaning he had already experienced all the pros and cons of material life.
@@Radhaugo108 Your comments mean so much to me. I am mean really. I am a householder and married with children. I also work full time as a counselor with youth that have had very troubled life. I would not change this for the world. No really, you are making me cry. This week I cooked vegetarian food for my family. Yesterday I cooked vegetarian food for two of my coworkers and they appreciated it so much. These are not my ideas. It is all Krishna. I fall down so much as a devotee, but when life is a struggle I chant rounds when I come home from work, I read a few paragraphs, and cook vegetarian food for people. It warms my heart to know that others are eating prasadam and taking the mercy from Krishna. I have been a devotee and thus a vegetarian for four years now. Today was the first time that I tried ekadasi. I have learned more about myself in the past week and past 24 hours than I have almost in the past year. I am so thankful that I have stumbled upon this path. I will forever be thankful to the devotees that were distributing books at a festival. Thanks again for the comment. I will break my fast in a few minutes and reading what you wrote was icing on the cake. Thank you.
@@Radhaugo108 You seem to imply that young westerners taking sannyasa is a mistake, but Prabhupada gave him sannyasa. If someone threw him in a challenge, it was Prabhupada himself. Do you think Prabhupada made a mistake there? I don’t think so. Even if those sannyasis went into so much trouble later on, NOT taking sannyasa doesn’t mean they wouldn’t have had problems. Probably, without sannyasa, they would have problems anyway and not have done much to spread KC. So I trust Prabhupada’s decision.
It's true! Much easier for a old man to not care about things like sex and material wants then the young who haven't had life experience yet! That's the reason the movement ran into so many problems!
I met Harikesh Swami in Frankfurt Germany..such a genius and wonderful devotee..I will always respect his advice during my most difficult times...blessings to him..may he get uplifted and properly situated again🙏🙏🙏
Remember all, took diksa from him in Mayapur in 1998, went to Citresvar - ghost hunter as well but I was sceptic, paid 50 rupees, he said I got 20 ghost.
Harikesa was really great. I felt like being at home, protected. There was mission, goal. When he left, it was like Apocalypse, total disaster.
I left Krsna Consciousness about 25 years ago, very disillusioned. Listening to you gives me hope for the integrity of the movement.
Do you still keep an eye on developments, if you don’t mind me asking.
More like half an eye!
Come back. Because of Srila Prabhupada.
@@LemonTreePondue You maybe a idiot, BUT you might still save your soul. The movement is thriving in India. Just because Wendy got fried[maybe because she was or is a idiot], the movement is not faulty. Going back to Godhead is not a walk in the park. How can someone after reading the Bhagvatam leave the movement? All one has to do is focus on Krsna, chanting and prasadam
@@rajatdutta3309 your reply is 100% OFFENSIVE so whos the idiot?
Thank you for this video. I love ISKCON history because I love ISKCON. Thank you for sharing honest history . Hare Krishna
Hare Krishna Maharaj dandawat pranam
Thank you Maharaj for alerting me and many like me from life of Hg Harikesa Prabhu about pitfalls without having hatred towards him and also acknowledging his valuable contribution towards Srila Prabhupada in a pure Vaishnava way. Thank you very much
Hare Krishna dandawat pranam
Yas Shrikant
Hare Krishna. Dandavat Pranam Maharaj. Thank you so much for such a good explanation. We all will never forget those years when he used to come to Mayapur and hundreds of devotees following him. He was a huge inspiration esp in Book Distribution. I really liked the way you enlightened us on this matter. The sad part is that after he left no one could carry on inspiring the whole world of devotees into Book Distribution to that extent.
Lesson learned , no matter what , daily Sadhana comes first . Hare Krishna 🙏🏻
Thanks Maharaja to unveil some important lessons from Harikesa's life in ISKCON.
Like you pointed out, sadhana should come first.
It's very unfortunate that big deviations are still going on recently in ISKCON, despite all the warnings. When deviations occur, it is surprising that the GBC does not respond. Recently, on the property of the New Mayapura, in France, foundations were made near the temple in order to erect a large straw wall to protect the temple from so-called evil influences...
This wall of shame remained for several years and was only dismantled in 2020... It is surprising how such stupid speculations can still have the approval of the GBC, so as not to upset such and such a person in charge! One can just imagine what happens when the person is a prominent leader as were the zonal acaryas...
All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Dandavat pranams
Hare Krishna Maharaj. I do not want to comment much on what you said since I think we can all agree that you are talking about it only from your own perspective and some facts are wrong.
I am Polish and I was initiated by Harikesa Swami in 1991 and thank to mercy of devotees and Krishna i am still trying to be devotee. Harikesa Swami gave me Srila Prabhupada and Krishna and i will never ever forget about it.
He saved my life
Only point i want to make is re: Harikesa music. It seems you Maharaj do not like his music for many reasons and this is ok.
However please try to understand this.....we distributed millions of books listening to his music. It was like a food to us....inspirations to go on the streets and distribute books. His music was mostly for his disciples. this can be hard to understand to devotees that did not have that special guru-disciple connection.
I am sure all your disciples love things about you that other devotees might not find "inspiring" . this is normal and there is nothing wrong with that.
Harikesa saved countless lives by bringing us to Srila Prabhupada and Krishna. Let's celebrate that part of his wonderful life
Hare Krishna
So true Marek. Were you in Chicago also for a while in 1998?
Bravo!!!
I spent hole my life in sankirtan and almost pray Harikesa Swami to help in book distribution,only one time I met him and it was all,but still I have sadhhana and a lot of mistic help of my loving Harikesa,he changed my life for better,and always wrote in the letters,please be simple and happy....Thanks him for all Love and mercy with us ,so big losers he accepted
Maharaj ji ko Dandvat Pranam.
Hare Krishna
My Dandavat Pranam Maharaja
Thank you so much for this!!!! I was his former disciple, he’s still very special person in my life, despite everything.🙏🏻
Dear Guru Maharaj,
Please accept my humble obeisances in your lotus feet...
Amazing amazing lecture... Full of knowledge and very clear cut. Thank you so much🙏🏻
All glories unto your lotus feet.
Hare Krsna🙏🏻
Your servant,
Padmanayana Krsna Dasa
I imagine that vaishnava aparadha causes these troubles..it is between the Lord and the devotee..May we all be forgiven for our human frailties..may we be able to keep our intelligence through any challenge in this difficult life🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Harikesha was very arrogant and completely lacking intelligence and self-awareness. A subtle ego-trip is still an ego trip. If you simply replace one ahamkara with a vaishnavite ahamkara, you will still have to reincarnate.
Please accept my dandavat pranams swami maharaj!
Dandvat pranams Guru Maharaj 🙇🏻♂️🙇🏻♂️🙏🏻
You always say things as it is. One of the last pure devotees to walk on this earth.
It takes a pure devotee to recognize a pure devotee.
Hare Krishna pranams to Guru Maharaj
Hari bol🙏
🙏
Hare Krishna.
Thank you for this insight.
Hare Krishna maharaj, Dandavat pranams
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Srila Prabhupada very much against publicizing the falldowns of his disciples? Though BVS glorifies Harikesa prabhu's seva, he equally, if not more, describes his behavioral deviations. (As far as I know, there were no philosophical ones at the time; those came to be seen later.) Harikesa was invited to New Dwarka (LA) for the Prabhupada Festival two years ago. There was a lot of trepidation by the temple authorities, but, to their credit, they accepted my word that there would be no Prabhupada aparadhe. Harikesa was the star of the show! His recollections of Prabhupada are enshrined on the LA Temple Website. He couldn't have been a better guest. In fact, his appearance in front of devotees was his first in ten years. He is a good soul who went through a dark night. Regurgitating his fall from grace, to me, is a great disservice. Harikesa deserves better. It is one thing to talk off the record about a person's difficulties, but another to go on youtube with it. I feel that the choice to "go public" with all the descriptions of Harikesa's struggles with his own mind should be "off-limits." I think that Srila Prabhupada would agree.
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You are wrong. This is very public knowledge. You have been corrected.
I don't know if Srila Prabhupada was against publicizing the falldowns of his disciples, I assume he was, as you have said so above.
However, I think it is so important with what has happened since the founder-acharya's disappearance for the truth to come out about these devotees. Why? It is simply a matter of *perspective*. And it is some perspective which Bhakti Vikash Swami provides when he mentions both the 'good' and the 'bad'. And you, yourself mention his recollections of Srila Prabhupada in the LA Temple recently - which is a big positive.
A balanced account of his life by the right authorities will lead to a more balanced view of his life among the devotees; and this is the key service which I think that Bhakti Vikash Swami is attempting to provide here.
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This is filtered knowledge.
🌷🌸Hare Krsna🌸🌷🌸🌷🌸🌸🌷
i ear that bhagavan and harikesh refused the access of their gbc countries to gaura govinda maharaj...nd that the fall down mainly came from vaisnava aparadha...harikesh is such a nice devotee though
We hear that the only aparadha that Krishna will not forgive is Vaishnava aparadha. So it stands to reason that in the falldown of senior devotees there is major Vaishnava aparadha. Senior ISKCON members offended their godbrothers, Prabhupada's godbrothers, the children of their godbrothers and the dham vasis of Mayapur.
Exactly, serious vaishnava aparadha destroyed him.
@@AnkurSethi108 don't believe in it.. They are saying and it is weird ideology of Hare Krishna. 10 offences. No need for this speculation, it made such a problem for most of devotees. "Just don't make offence" Be NORMAL, human being...
Hare krisna guru moharaj
The fact that he asked the GBC to marry and the GBC didn’t allow is significant. On one hand, shows that he had major respect for GBC and even if he thought it was necessary, he wouldn’t do without their approval. It shows also that the GBC probably didn’t care too much about him on a personal level, they wanted what he could give but didn’t care a lot what could happen to him. It could also be that when he presented such idea, he was a bit crazy, for instance, feeding in his mind the idea of marrying someone who didn’t want to marry him, so it all could have sounded delusional and impractical. Because ultimately it was his decision, if he wanted, he could have said “I need to do this and I’d prefer to have your consent, but if you don’t, I’ll do it anyway because I have to”, then the GBC would have to find a way to accommodate his adjustment, they also wouldn’t just want him to go away like that. Anyway, someone should have listened. Maybe he was too respectful to people who didn’t have his best interest in mind. When huge amounts of money come into the picture, everyone gets a little bit crazy.
In this case HH RADHANATH SWAMI, JAYAPATAKA SWAMI and other foreign disciples of Srila Prabhupada who are still Gurus in iskcon should be given huge respect.
They are really transcendental
HH RADHANATH SWAMI, no. he has deviated, associated with impersonalists and glorifies them, opened hospitals-not what prabhupada wanted, big bank account. his temple is not under iskcons name or ownership. and more than just this.
Don't be so naive.
thank you
HK MAHARAJ,dandavat pranam
In the last few mins of the talk you tell us about how harikesh maharaj had been over workin qouting athyahara prayasascha,but NOI also tells us to have utsahan so how do we understand this?
Hare Krishna
This the letter of GBC members to Hari,
Dear Harikesa Prabhu,
Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. We are an advisory body to the GBC made up of 31 international devotees representing different demographics and regions in ISKCON. The SABHA - Spiritual Advisory Bhagavat Assembly - is a reincarnation of the temple presidents assembly established by GBC resolution in 1977. The SABHA's mandate is to be a "check and balance" on the GBC.We would like to extend our deep appreciation to you for your nearly 30 years of service to Srila Prabhupada. We especially appreciate your spear-heading the spreading of Krishna consciousness by publishing and distributing Srila Prabhupada’s books throughout Eastern Europe and Russia. ISKCON flourishes there today in no small part due to your untiring efforts. We collectively recall that In late 1977, upon receiving copies of seven new books you had printed, Srila Prabhupada came to tears and described you as the “favorite grandson of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur.” Everyone of us sincerely thanks you for all you have done in the service of Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON. Your servants on the SABHA, Atmanivedana Swami -UK , Bhakti Bhagavatamrita Kesava Swami - Russia, Bhakti Dhira Damodara Swami - Africa, Bhakti Rasayana Sagar Swami - Russia, Brahmatirtha dasa - USA, Candrasekhara Swami - USA, Drutakarma dasa - USA, Gitamrta dd - Brazil, Govinda Prema dasa - Africa, Kalakantha dasa - USA, Kratu dasa - India, Krishnarupa dd - Australia, Madhuri Pura dasa - USA, Mahaman dasa - India, Mahatma dasa - USA, Mondakini dd - France, Navina Radhika dd - South Africa, Nayana Manjari dd - Bolivia, Nrsimhananda dasa, Chairman - USA
Parabhakti dasa - Italy, Radha Damodara dasa - UK, Radhacaran dasa - China, Rukmini dd - USA, Sahadev dasa - India, Sumithra Krishna dasa - India, Suresvara dasa - USA, Visnu Murti dasa - Belgium, Vrnda dd- Canada, Yadu-srestha dasa - Australia
Dearest SABHA members
Thank you so very much for writing me. You can only imagine my surprise when I checked my mail this morning and saw this totally unexpected message. My reaction was, “Wow!" Thank you all for your expression of thanks and appreciation. I am very grateful and offer you all a big hug and warm greetings in return, along with my heartfelt best wishes for your health, prosperity, and safety in this unusual time we share.
With great love and respect
Hari
🙏🏻
Thank you for this!
Hare Krishna 🙏
It's not true that no one listens to Harikesa's rock music- I do and I love it, especially "Connected" album by Bliss
Sadhana should come first. Most important thing.Hare Krishna Dear Guru Maharaj PAMHO🙏🙏🙏👏👏👏👏👏
Sadhana, regulated devotional service, you only have for developing a desire for Krishna. When you have a desire for Krishna sadhana is irrelevant. The fact is many vaisnava's are karma yogi's, neophytes in bhakti yoga.
Plus he made some fire techno kirtans too
Maharaja, really appreciate for you being so transparent.
the process of isckon was what was wrong with Harikesh.
Excellent class
An astrological reading probably would have a lot to say about his risky position and tendency to madness, but if anyone knew beforehand about the risks, he may not have had the chance to do the service he did, or maybe they could have prevented the worse outcome. Who knows, maybe he could have been more sheltered and still managed to do tremendous service without the risk of destructive behavior.
"Negative emotions and endowed with corrupt sentiments"
...all happened after committing Vaishnava aparadha....
It was 1998 when Harikesa was appointed as Chairman for 3 years. He initiated the Deputies system.
What is 'the deputy system'?
I can only try to imagine how difficult it could be to be a leader in Iskcon after Prabhupada’s departure if you saw that other leaders-godbrothers are deviating from Prabhupada’s order. Either someone could become blind to the problems just to survive or there would be so much conflict that they would want to leave. But if you know Prabhupada doesn’t want you to leave either, it could be enough to make you crazy. That could be the reason why he was just working more and more, maybe there was nothing else he could do and if he really stopped to think about it, it would be too much to handle. Maybe, as the rest of Iskcon was not doing so well, there was a huge expectation on him and specially if you bring a lot of money in, people will start to rely on you more. Who knows, maybe even some of his godbrothers gave him bad advice “don’t worry about sadhana, just keep working, after all it’s all for Krishna”. If he began accepting influence of a godbrother who was deviating from Prabhupada, this could explain why he disconnected from Prabhupada to the point of blaming him. People who don’t mind being duplicitous don’t usually go nuts because they just compartimentalize and don’t bother. People who are more simple minded aren’t able to live with too much conflict, either they leave or collapse. The other alternative would be someone being too perverse and then become crazy due to too much offense, but it doesn’t see to be his case, at least as far as it is reported he didn’t break regulative principles even if he was acting so strangely overall. His desire to marry could have been out of a need which wasn’t necessarily lust, maybe he needed support from someone who actually cared about him and wasn’t just using him out of convenience for whatever reason. If he was simply lusty and wild, there would be reports of him having illicit sex and it doesn’t seem to be the case. So, if he was simple minded and sincere, dealing with a lot of conflict and power struggles in a society of godbrothers who were not really following Prabhupada’s order, if he lacked proper association while being under the influence of deviated disciples, this could explain why he did so many good things, went crazy, but still didn’t get involved in anything like a sex scandal. If he had too many material desires, I think we’d be hearing a lot about other types of problems. And if he said something inappropriate when he was already going nuts, it shouldn’t be taken very seriously.
I'm iniciated disciple of Visnupad. I met him when I was 19. now I'm 50. Visnupad is biggest brahma-Raksasa on Earth. He is directly involved in 11-s.
Great stuff. A history of you wont see on Dandavats.
(Managed by disciples) Thank you! Hare Krishna.
HH Bhakti Vikasa Swami says many important things. Of course, Harikes was a genius without a doubt but the way he threw out leading devotees from his zone sheds some doubt whether he really was a genuine Vaishnava. In 1986 Guru-Gauranga pr had to pack his bag after having built up ISKCON Switzerland. Vegan pr and Ajit pr had to move out after having built up ISKCON Sweden. Prithu pr was forced to Ireland after having made tons of devotees in Germany. Dvarakesa Swami had to quit being the leader in Hungary. Last but not least Harikes also had the Prabhupada disciple book distributors pushed out: "My disciples are doing this important service now". He was kind of a tyrant who wanted to be an absolute dictator in his zone. It seems that from the beginning he had planned not to stay in ISKCON forever. He had planned his exit at one point, so to speak. Of course, we don't know how much money he really took, officially one million. But he surely planned to have enough money for the rest of his life for him and his wife to peacefully live in a villa in Florida. For him, the holy grail was the BBT accounts. He never allowed BBT money to be used for temple construction. So there was never any transparency on how much BBT money accumulated after thirty years of hundreds of European devotees distributing books full-time. Why he got such an affectionate reception in Russia, well, his ancestors originally came from Russia. That's why he still is very active in Russia and even opened a new age center in St. Petersburg.
I thought they were italians
He was Italian. His legal name is Robert Campagniola. He actually sent LOTS of money to Mayapura for land purchase. He supported by giving money for many initiatives in Mayapura. We wonder how much of the other things you said are wrong.
34:40 Right, When Harikes left his zone crashed very badly. Everything was oriented towards him only so even today this part of the world did not recover. Of course, American devotees had no problem with this. Most American ISKCON leaders even refuse to visit Germany, "These are all Nazis there". That's why Harikes is even considered a hero and they always invite him as an honored guest "Hari Prabhu" for festivals in LA. However this is a wrong understanding about present Germany. As a natural consequence after WWII, politics, economy, education, science, culture, is all run now by East-European Germans, meanwhile born in Germany. Millions of East Europeans live now in Germany. So there is no reason for the American GBCs to turn the German yatra into Dschibuti or Timbuktu. Actually, Prabhupada instructed that, "They should make their temple in Germany even more important than the one in Los Angeles." When ISKCON Germany was destroyed by Hansadutta and Harikes, all Western European countries like Italy, Spain, France, Switzerland, Austria, Benelux, Scandinavia, Portugal, were badly affected and governments reconsidered their dealings with ISKCON. Put ISKCON on the watch-list of possibly being an extremist group.
43:15 "The cemeteries are full of indispensable men."
So said DeGaulle
1998 🙏
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Thank you for your empathic approach for your analysis. I certainly would have enjoyed more detailed fact to go along with your presentation.
Whenever I met Harikesa he emanated incredible lonelyness and the inhuman burden he carried because he thought this to be his duty.
Even as his disciple I dearly detested his voice and his music which of course I never shared with my god siblings.
I remember Citesvara. He was very much in fashion for his knowledge of peoples' past lives. After her frustrated many devotees with a very low life before this birth, the enthusiasm about his revelations faded quickly. That was when he shifted to the ghost thing.
and also big leaders lack association .they are the best so it is difficult to help when needed
This movie about Harikesha Swami:
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36:00 can someone please tell the verse numbers??? Both shlokas. 🙏🙏🙏
(Managed by disciples) The verses are SB 1.5.17 and 1.5.19. Hare Krishna.
@@BhaktiVikasaSwami thank you very much 🙏🙇
RASA was phenomenal. I'm not a disciple.
No matter how intellectual or genius someone may be in some aspects, they may be very naive socially. If Harikesa was very lonely and having a hard time with that, he could have easily fallen prey to very malicious people. That may have happened in relation to investments in shady businesses, they get you to participate a few times and get a good result and then convince you to invest a huge amount and just cheat you and take all the money away. GBC and leadership, even if aware of strange dealings maybe were blinded by so much money and allowed him to do whatever as long as he was giving so much money for Mayapur etc.
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Is there no Krishna consciousness outside Iskcon?
There's is. But finding more clear and complete texts than the texts of Srila Prabhupada is very hard to find. Same thing with the completeness of the spiritual culture Srila Prabhupada has promoted.
You are listening to it.
There are plenty, most of which don't associate with mahaprabhu
There are many societies of pure devotees.
There is but iskcon is one and big organization to provide opportunities
It is strange that when he wanted to marry they didn't allow him to marry.
He was a bit crazy, so maybe they didn’t take it seriously
Wasn't this 'Swami' a 1986 voted in guru by the 2/3 show of hands GBC parampara, lol.
Pretty sure he was. You can't fool Yamaraja and neither can I..
When I remember right, he got his heart attack in Goloka dhama, Germany, in autumn 1998.
In the local hospital he woke up from his koma, and proclaimed his intention to leave iskcon.
There would be much to say about Bhagavan prabhu ...."goldswami"
Nor his disciples
the actual tragedy is that Christianity won. Prabhupada explained the defects of modern Christianity and these "gurus" spoiled it. Not only spoiled it but committed the worst offense of imitating Jesus, God's direct representative, and then falling down, 45 of them. So they were forced to change the temple sign from "authorized spiritual movement" into Hindu Mandir.
@Himalayan Explorer If you want to see ruined look at Australia.. devastation.
Why does a person go mad like this?
right, when you hear how Harikes is praised above as the top think-tank of the GBC then this is the right question. Either he was not actually a devotee from begin with or offenses. At one point he started to throw tons of devotees, even his own leader for the Sankirtan department, Krishnakarnamrita das.
because of severe "Vaishnava aparadha" !
Jennifer Blankenship, I can perhaps answer your question. The so-called Vibhuti pills, which Citteswara Prabhu administrated to Harikesha (after an acute hospitalisation in Sweden some time in the middle of 1980's) were supposedly made from holy ashes but actually contained strong psychopharmaceutical substances. These kinds of medicines can be easily obtained in India, and the person who administrated them later on confessed, when asked by a former disciple of HP, that he wanted to help Harikesha to remain a sannyasa by tricking him to take these pills for years. This particular medicine had serious side-effects and had therefore not been used in Europe for half a century - this was all found out when one Swedish disciple (my husband) sent the pills to a forensic laboratory to be examined during the autumn of 1997. Apparently Harikesha had been doubting the medication for a longer time already, and finally decided to stop taking them altogether during the late summer of 1997. Inevitably this led to a severe psychosis, as is expected when a strong psychiatric medicine is stopped abruptly. As if this was not a tragedy in itself, some people started recording him when he was in this psychotic state of mind, and circulating the recordings within ISKCON channels. The rest is history. Some things are mixed up in this recount by Bhakti Vikasa Swami, and he obviously does not have exact knowledge of details, but it is still a refreshingly honest and non-envious way of telling the story.
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Excellent.
This is the Story,no one uttered.
But fact is Harikesh Swami was administrated Drugs for Nerves Sytem .
Its a conspiracy
that ghost was "aparadha" vaishnava aparadha....😢
Россияне пострадали больше всего
Ok I thought the word weird was being used too much ....and then he thinks he's Skanda the God of war!
it was the reactions of his very sinfull hypocrit disiples, that he mad leaders and gave the full authoritie over others.
Vaishnava Apradha in the name of Guru Seva is not Devotional Service. It is not pleasing to Krishna. Krishna will not protect such a devotee
Ramanujacharya had 2 disciples go to a rich devotees house to prepare food for a Padikrama of devotees. The 2 disciples came back to Ramanujacharya and they said that the rich devotee is preparing a nice feast. Ramanujacharya asked : How did he receive the 2 of you. Did he give you a glass of water or something to eat...... No no he was too busy preparing for your arrival. Ramanujacharya said : I won't go there. I don't like to go where Vaishnava's are neglected, even if it is in my Service.
So Ramanujacharya took his Padikrama of devotees to a poor devotees home in the same area.
This is a very famous story of Ramanujacharya
When these disciples had to travel for 200 or 300 meters to meet the 'rich devotee' why would the 'rich devotee' have to offer water or food?
@@rajarsi6438 Even if someone crosses the street to visit you they should be given a nice reception. But you should read this pastime yourself before commenting.
Dear Maharaj, please accept my humble obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada!
It seems that you have been talking about the fall down of a once a great devotee mostly from stories heard from other devotees. I don't understand how this description may be accepted as bona-fide as you yourself dislike this kind of speculative view about other devotees, including about yourself.
Harikesa dasa is still alive and well. I'm sure his point of view is of a superior value than some second-hand anecdotes. You said so many great things about him and at the end he fell down due to the unnatural pressure from ISKCON leaders. The only lesson I've learned from your presentation is not to trust ISKCON leaders.
On his website Harikesa das is offering his version of the story, which may shed much more light on your presentation that just hearsay evidence you present.
Please forgive me if I sound rude.
ys Kakudmi das
thanks!
koti,koti pranams&dandavats GuruMaharaj for pointing the truth and reality of what hapened to Harikesa prabhu ..yet i don t agree with you about the music he was involved,and he was involved in many music genres making devoties with it..rock,electronic music,hiphop,drum n bass and trance music in which the Krsna consciesness themes was the message..A generation of devoties came to ISKCON that notice the message of Krsnabhakti played on Goa trance partyes all around the world,there are Goa trance artists that are devoties and play that kind of music including HareKrsna Mahamantra and Srila Prabhupada quotes in it..the moto was to ,,spread the chanting,,..I still think that he had a good intention in that,and in the prime of this power he made some wrong descisions and made apparadhas..otherwise he should ve allowed him to get marry and continue to preach ..NitayGaura premanande!Haribool!
The proper term would be "Maharaja". Only a duly initiated disciple addresses his guru as "Gurumaharaja". Those who have not been initiated by that particular sannyasi guru should address him "Maharaja".
Harikesh fell down because he developed negative sentiments after committing vaishnava aparadh 😢😢 being a kanishtha he wanted to enjoy the position of guru...😢 it's just like a lamb attempts to take the position of a calf...
Maybe you think about your comment and work it over again ... there is always time to correct oneself
@@mahesh2113 ... kanishta devotees mostly fall down due to Vaishnava apradha... but Krishna and Vaishnavas are kind to help the most fallen devotees... Spiritual life is eternal... material fall down is temporary... Bhakti is never lost at any time, place, circumstances...🤔🤔🤔
As a formar disciple who took her time to do some research after Harikesa Dasa left I disagree. He was a very well behaved and self contained person. Besides he was very lonely in his exposed position. He showed all signs of Burn Out and depression and never allowed himself to consult a bona fide medical specialist.
Harikesa burdened himself with an inhuman load of tasks being a sensitive, vulnerable human being.
He didn't take money with him when he left but struggled like any of us, who need to maintain ourselves.
Although him leaving us disciples was a painful experience I have no bad feelings towards him. A character trait of a vaishnava is deep empathy and being able to forgive.
People wonder why these things go bad and from the outside I can see a few major reasons. For one you can't take a bunch of young people and forbid sex lol you'll end up with a bunch of kids with their hormones going crazy horny as all heck and you obviously run into big problems there. Two you can't take a person and put them in a position as being worshipped like a god. There's just to much that can go wrong and we've seen this with so many Gurus! Your just not gonna find many like Prabhupad who are old past sexual needs and past material wants and only wants to serve God. In my mind you have to be old been in the philosophy since birth before you should be in charge of anyone elses spirituality!! Younger men are just not in a physical or mental condition to truly live by the principles. I'm also thinking you can study this philosophy and be devoted to Krishna without joining any group! All the information is available now. I honestly don't think children should be removed from their parents until teenage years when they can decide for themselves what they want to do.
Capability to follow Brahmacharya depends on many factors like the submission to Guru, good training, following the orders of Guru etc. Age does play a role but is not the most important factor.
In ISKCON we have many Brahmacharis who are strictly following brahmacharya vrata. Our own Guru Maharaj HH Bhakti Vikas Swami Maharaj became a Brahmachary at the age of 18 year and he is an ideal Brahmachary even at the age of 67 years. We have many other Sannyasis in Iskcon who are also following this vrata since their youth. Guru Maharaj has written a book “Brahmcharya in Krishna consciousness” which is like a “user’s manual” for all the brahmacaris. It is like a daily diet for all brahmacharis in ISKCON. So you may also kindly read this book if you wish to get into this ashram.
Also note that Srila Prabhupada is the Yuga Acharya and hence potent enough to create many sincere Gurus. His blessing, his training, his mercy is so great that many of his disciples are able to repeat the message of Parampara as it is and hence they are also playing the roles of perfect Gurus.
Regarding your point that since Srila Prabhupad was old and hence was above Sex desire is also not correct. There are many old people whose senses are not strong enough to indulge in this act but they still have a strong desire. So it’s not really about age, it’s about the mercy of ones Guru which is reflected in the sincere following of a disciple.
In our gurukuls, our boys are given very nice training under the care of able Gurus and many of them end up becoming very good Brahmacharis. Hence I request you to not rely so much on your mind but rather take instructions as per the advise of Krishna. Please refer the following verse, take shelter of a Guru, Serve him submissively and then inquire about the real truth and then you will be able to understand. One cannot become a heart sergeon just by reading the books or information on internet, one needs to learn from a proper teacher. Similarly please follow the following verse and perfect your life.
Bg. 4.34
तद्विद्धि प्रणिपातेन परिप्रश्नेन सेवया ।
उपदेक्ष्यन्ति ते ज्ञानं ज्ञानिनस्तत्त्वदर्शिनः ॥ ३४ ॥
tad viddhi praṇipātena
paripraśnena sevayā
upadekṣyanti te jñānaṁ
jñāninas tattva-darśinaḥ
Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth.
" Clean it up yourself ... it's your mess " is what Harikesh replied to Prabhupad when he was asked to clean up the room Prabhupad had stayed in ...
He send us out in the Swedish freezing weather to harass the karmis for donations to later simply buy himself expensive houses ... like in jet-set St. Tropez ... etc ...
" How can you fall down ... when you're already fallen ?!? " ( Prabhupad )
Harikesa, Robert Campagnola lost his spiritual life because of doing Vaisnava Aparadha against Srila Gour Govinda Swami Maharaja.
He under estimated Srila Gour Govinda Swami Maharaja who is a Nitya Siddha, Premi Bhakta, like Srila Prabhupada his Revered Spiritual Master.
It was not Harikes who fell, but the GBC did not free itself from egocentrism, did not accept ISCKON's reform proposals ... Now they have no leader ...
The irony of a man who went mad having written a book about varnasrama and “social sanity”. Maybe that’s what he really needed…