AMD's Wraith Coolers vs. Intel's Box Cooler
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AMD's Wraith Coolers vs. Intel's Box Cooler
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Intel should ship some noise canceling headphones with their CPU coolers.
😂😂😂😂
First they'd have to ship them with the CPUs lol
@@viperchrisz4 oof
And give 100.000 rpm motor to their box cooler fan
@Armando Debergues yeah just in case the 9900k finally start to catch fire @5 ghz with the stock cooler,, we can see how kind amd were xD
JK
Intel's default cooler is pathetic they might as well ship with no cooler at all..............oh wait they already don't.
Yet you got the same price before and after but if that doesn´t sound like paying a premuim then I don´t know what.
Intel's default cooler its good for intel processores AMD are to hot need bigger cooler.
@@carlosmeiar3839 what year are you living in? Intel processors are hotter than AMD processors now
Even 12 core part is cooler than intels 8 core 🤣
But naturally 12 should generate more heat in boost conditions.
@@carlosmeiar3839 You clearly didn't watch the video then did you? Just here to troll, because Steve already said Intels stock cooler struggles to keep Intels processors under 100C on the i5 9400, and with the Ryzen 3600 it too is throttling a little and hits 95C. If the cooler can't keep either from throttling to prevent damage then no it's not good period! It may be ok for quad core processors at around 86C but they are boxing the cooler with CPU's that have 50% more cores
got to be honest, shocked the aluminium intel cooler didnt just meltdown and drop clocks 150mhz lower still.
Its saved by the jet engine 1 million rpm fan on top
It's fine on my i5-8400. Won't go above 60 degrees C under load, but for any SKU above that there's really no excuse.
That's more a testament to AMD's new Ryzen chips running more efficiently. On the equivalent Intel 9600K it goes to 100c and throttles the chip quite a bit.
@@djlobb AMD chips aren't that much more efficient, if at all. They're requiring the same voltage (~1.4) to hit ~4.1GHz as Intel chips hitting 5GHz+.
As all the reviews show, AMD and Intel processors use similar power when overclocked because the voltage requirements are the same.
@@SpermyWormy2 So by your logic a Ryzen 3 1200 at 4GHz with 1.3V consumes the same power and outputs the same heat as a Ryzen 7 1800X at 4GHz with 1.3V?
Just because the voltage is the same doesn't mean they use the same amount of current.
Power=Voltage*Current
Well the crappy cooler is a brand identity for intel now. Without overpricing and crappy in box cooler, it won't be intel
I miss the good, old stock AMD cooler...the grinding sound it emitted when it ran on full speed for too long...
@@CaveyMoth Ahh and I miss the good old stock Intel cooler.....OOOH Wait, it has never EXISTED xD
@@callthatwhatyouwant I think it melted.
Well I've just bought a 3600X and the stock cooler is the worst I've ever got. Its noise is unbearable.
@@goku445 hmmm you may want to replace it with your retailer
mine has been pretty quiet, definitely quieter than my case fans because that's all i hear.
Now 9900k stock cooler vs Wraith Prism
*OH WAIT...*
Edit: I triggered some Intel fans. Sorry but sometimes "It just doesn't work."
Now 9000k and the 3900X IPC comparism at 5 Ghz all Core OC
*OH WAIT...*
Lioness lol AMD fanboy
@@lioneckenbach552 Now 9900k and 3900X 24 thread benchmark
OH WAIT..
u clearly forget K series doesn't have stock cooler
@@lioneckenbach552 which cpu is that..? Your so clever... Oh wait...
"pathetic aluminum cooler"
feels good when i heard that
you get Intel to fix this quickly when you start benchmarking Intel CPUs with their own coolers.
Dozens of videos of 9900k popping suddenly get uploaded. It is strange that with the huge shift to out the box testing, this hasn't become more of a thing. Look at how people are testing cases these days, case ships with one fan it gets tested with one fan. Personally I think most cases and CPUs should have two SKUs. For CPU, one with viable cooler and one without. With cases, one populated with an adequate amount of fans, and one with no fans.
Since benchmarks are generally done with unrealistic combinations (i.e. the best GPU) to avoid bottlenecking, I doubt this is going to change any time soon.
Agreed that stock cooler tests should be included along with the "unlimited" cooling ones. This way, people get to see how the product performs, literally, out-of-box and companies are motivated to up their game.
I remember back in the days when a cooler of the same design as the Wraith Prism would go for like $60. Without any fan.
Passive cooling
People's hyperbolic assertions about the whole temperature debate has gotten out of hand. Experts know that the human eye can't even taste more than 24 degrees.
Lol +1
Username checks out
I thought tastebuds were in your ear
@@CringeCoDM I'm secretly everywhere, I'm currently undercover at Linus Media Group, he has no idea, I'm in disguise and they don't suspect anything. That and I move so slow, I'm practically invisible.
A long passed down technique too secret to reveal.
you got me in the first half 🤣🤣
AMD the underdog, who is such a smaller company compared to Intel gives us decent coolers. Intel's coolers look embarrassing compared to the AMD coolers.
no. the stock cooler is way too noisy and has to be replaced making them as good as no cooler in the box.
AMD stock coolers are also neater. I mean they don't have this cheap plastic looking nor do they have these 3 yellow green and blue cables coming out of the fan. Also, damn! Amd coolers are rgb! (Some of them)
@@goku445I built my pc about two days ago Amd cooler is quiet and makes noise only when the pc boots, and even if it did make noise it cools way better than the Intel stock so stfu
my amd stock cooler sounds like a fucking jet engine, might as well not give any stock cooler
@@marlon.8051 Ur getting ok cooling for "free"and ur complaining?
The only half decent Intel cooler was shipped with the i7 980x back in the day. You should try to find one and test it for the sake of it :P
I have my core 2 duo laying around with its stock cooler, and that makes me remember how their coolers used to be compare to today's stock cooler :C
I'm still running a 980x in my main desktop, albeit i replaced the stock cooler with watercooling and got really lucky with the silicone lottery and got my 980x running at 4.9 GhZ
@@UxorialCross 4.9GHz on a 9 year old processor?????? Holy balls.
@@MrSlashStudios I got so beyond lucky with this chip, I only had to go up to 1.4v on the core, and it gets up to 60 c after a 20 minute stress test
@@UxorialCross That's extremely good. Not that you can compare it, but I can only get my Ryzen 5 1600 to 4.0GHz at 1.45V haha. I hope you can enjoy that beast for many years to come.
If you want to experience meltdown on AMD CPU, just use R9 3900X with Intel box cooler. If you want to experience it on Intel, just don't install any security patches and whole line is Meltdown compatible. :-D
Coffee Lake Refresh (aka 9th gen) is not vulnerable to Meltdown. Basically everything released in the last 10 months has it fixed in hardware.
(Newer vulnerabilities affecting exclusively Intel CPUs have to deal with HT, basically 9900K needs the most software mitigations from the current lineup ;))
+ The ASRock Phantom ITX X570 so it can fit Intel coolers!
(ik this is a joke)
The Intel coolers did really well. The only one I ever bought didn’t work at all. Big improvement.
Lucky you the ONE time i used one it caught on fire and destroyed my shiny new 2500k, motherboard and ram. Always had a deep dislike for intel since they more or less told me to go fuck my self. Still use them when required but yea screw them
Once I received a completely unusable stock cooler that didn't have a core to make contact with the CPU. The measily crisscross of fins meant the majority of the CPU surface was exposed. Turns out you can't cool the CPU by blowing air on it directly. I don't understand why they even included the cooler except to bamboozle customers.
no cooler = deterrant to turn on pc = no cpu grill
shit cooler = ehh maybe it'll work = fuck
@LOL SOS In my defense i was 16 and kinda on the broke side and had never built a PC before :p
You can easily sell wraith prism RGB for as high as 40USD.
I actually have a collection of about 20 old Wraith coolers that shipped with the 8370's etc...., Wraith Prism's and Wraith Max's.
Really? Can i see some of them somewhere?
Because of that I bought the Wraith Spire Copper for 12€. Enough for some OC on 2200G and 2600
@@CarbonPanther 'eBay" Look for Buy it Now bargains.
@@wudntulike2no32 lol, okay...
Intel hasn't given us a decent box cooler since the Pentium D required it. Honestly, they should just start shipping their higher SKUs with a voucher for a free Hyper 212 Evo.
I had no problem with mine with the i3550 from 2012 until recently. Also no problem with the core2duo one. Seems like quality has decreased for stock coolers.
I love Steve's sarcastic jokes here and there in video, keep it up!
Thanks, Steve, this is exactly the kind of video I've been waiting for.
Sooo.. an AM4 motherboard that doesn't support AMD AM4 coolers surely won't cause any confusion for buyers will it? No.
Somehow, I don't think it'll be much of a concern. Most of the people this motherboard is targeted toward (small form factor enthusiasts) will likely appreciate the use of the LGA115X cooler mounting layout as it opens up a larger number of lower-profile cooling solutions aimed exclusively at LGA115X, rather than the limited selection of low profile AM4 coolers.
Bless this Asrock board for making this possible.
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Nice video. Would be nice to compare AMD Wraith Prism to Noctua NH-D15 and to a well known AIO, on a Ryzen 9 3900X. People should know the performance difference between stock cooler and upgrades they can get.
No clue what you're talking about. I put the cooler aside. I won't throw it away obviously, never know when you need an AM4 cooler. But it's still in it's original packaging.
been a few vidoes of these.. there is zero performance gain.. but it will get lower noise and cooler cpu..not alot..but, some
@@noxlar What is it if that's not a performance gain? XD
@@goku445 performance is the same that's what it means
@@noxlar The performance of a cooler is exactly lower noise and high thermal dissipation...
I think it's ridiculous to ship an R5 3600 with a Stealth cooler, they really should've kept the old copper Spire.
Its also ridculas to ship a ryzen 7 5700 g with the stealth as well
@@catsnponds5959they should just ship copper spire or straight up prism for everyone I swear I love so much the looks of Prism but my Stealth keeps the temps good enough so I don't want to spend money unnecessarily, if my CPU came with Prism I wouldn't have that problem
Steve, you'd be surprise but I bought a locked i9 9900 (thought it was better value for money than 9700K) and it also came with the pathetic standard Intel Stock Cooler... lol
OMG, that would be amazing to test :D
@@Hardwareunboxed What's even more funny is that Intel gave it a 65W TDP rating yet the all-core turbo is only 100Mhz lower per core than the 9900K.
So I'm guessing they just really underclocked the base so they can pretend it isn't as power hungry and inefficient as it actually is? (IIRC Intel benchmarks TDP at base rather than boost)
Rainbow Dashie wouldve been better to be 10$ cheaper without cooler
@@Nemanichvili Because Intel measures TDP at the base frequency which is 500MHz lower.
AMD does especially well comparing against no included cooler XD
Ikr ;)
@5:40 - "...our testing has proven that RGB CPU coolers work better than even copper non-RGB coolers..."
- HU-Steve, 2019
Epic gamer moment
i've used tower coolers for years. The cooler that came with my 2700x worked so well i never bothered to switch it.
I bought one of those 2nd hand for my 2600 cause it looks super nice and cools very well
Me too. With a 2700. Cool & steady.
Noctua for the win!
Correct me if Im wrong, but I believe even my old Core 2 Duo came with a copper core cooler. That was part of my chilhood's pc, served me well from 2007-2010
Incidentally, young me killed it by opening the case and static touched the motherboard, only to realize that it wont boot after closing it.
Intel Logic: We give you 9900k with no cooler for $500 (or Buy normal 9900 for $460 with same cooler that comes with i3)
AMD Logic: We give you 3700x which have great LED cooler for $330
I tried Intel & AMD.. and I can't understands people who still defending Intel after all these years
Oh well.. hardcore fans are everywhere (will defend anything even if it was pile of crap/$hit) as long as it's from their favorite company
I cringe SO MUCHH when i see one of my friends say "AMD sucks"
I buyed a 3700x and the rest of the money i have put on a rx 5700
They buyed a i7 9700k and a good cooler, but whit less money one buyed a 1660 and the other a 1070
I am really happy of my choices :D
Edit: i am the guy whit less money and the best pc XD
I really don't mind intel not shipping a box cooler. I rather have that then them shipping cooler that is inadequate. Especially when reflected in the price. Shipping a cooler that runs way too loud and hot on the other hand not so great I rather have people being forced to actually buy a cooler.
Still not having a box cooler should be reflected in the price and the opposite seems to be true so really not acceptable.
How about testing the Noctua line of coolers. So people can see what a real line up of air coolers can do!
Geezes, people really need to stop glorifying Noctua. Granted, they are good coolers, but they ain't the only ones that make good ones. Has a Scythe Fuma 2 in my system, 40 dollars cheaper then the Noctua NH-U12A with about the same performance and most important why I didn't go for the Noctua, with lesser noise (2000 rpm Noctua fans do produce more noise versus 1200 rpm Scythe Kaze Flex fans). Sadly is that we rarely ever seen those Scythe coolers at those "quality" CZcams review channels.
@@dorientjewoller113
Indeed. Arctic, Scythe, Thermalright all make great coolers for the price.
@@dorientjewoller113 my ninja 2 and mugen 3 say hello !
@@dorientjewoller113 What about hyper 212? It's the same thing about budget coolers
@@dorientjewoller113 You just can't beat Noctua fans. They include a few low voltage adapters in the box, which take the fans to 1200, or 900 rpm max. Best airflow to noise ratio there is, so if your chasing silence, there's little other choice. Granted, you can get 80% of the performance for half the price with a thermalright/sythe/CM/Cryorig cooler, but quality is questionable. My NHD-14 is 9 years old, still looks brand new, and will go in every new rig I build for another decade. At least you didn't buy thermaltake.
Im not first,
But im not last,
But, when i see a stock cooler
I click fast
Some people complained,
Why dont intel supply coolers?
K cpu fool
@@shawnpitman876 Get a decent cooler, not some stock trash. Glad they don't include them for the K processors, its just coal being burnt for landfill and a dolphin's esophagus.
I suspect Intel gets away with it because people just expect to have to buy a real cooler, while the included one is just to check if the system works. For AMD people expect the box cooler to actually be enough, even with a light overclock.
(unless you buy a crappy Intel chip anyway, then the box coolers are actually not a major hindrance)
@LOL SOS are you OK?
I actually overclocked my CPU to nearly 5GHz with the stock AMD cooler, and had some comfortable temperatures under load (around 80C) so not even a light overclock.
Thanks. I needed a refresher in the difference in the wraith spires. Building something out of leftovers and take offs.
Intel should ship a frying pan and some eggs, seriously the surface area of the pan combined with the evaporative cooling effect of the eggs would equate to far more cooling than their box cooler.
Was it just me or did that Mobo look old and dusty as soon as the fan was put in?
Anirudh Diwakar yeah it does
Intel is going the same way as Apple, give less pay more. I switched to AMD
Exactly!
Not at all. At least for Apple the price difference is much more reasonable because you pay a premium for privacy. No such thing exists for Intel compared to its competitors.
@@DirtyPoul, im afraid thats not true, Apple doesn't care about privacy, there are many scandals in the past that revealed this one of them is the latest with Siri:
www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2019/07/28/apple-siri-eavesdropping-puts-millions-of-users-at-risk/#38db628ea530
Also their latest credit card the "Apple card" is outsourcing basically all your personal details to Goldman Sachs for their use.
Apple also has removed apps with uncrackable encryption in the past from their app store, they really dont like it when they cant control something
czcams.com/video/shxTTon5lfs/video.html
Yeah ok, AMD stock coolers are the best, but I'm still disappointed they cut down costs and removed the copper base.
And kept the final price the same
Amd Stock cooler is better. But the intel is cpus is better and faster and cheaper.
Amd cpus are slow and trash
@@Honeyflower132 get your facts straight dumb fuck
It wasn't even just a "copper base". It was a straight up vapor chamber in the center of the OG Spire.
I don't have even PC but watching you is satisfying
F
@@suisegs69420 not F
@@Saigonas I'm paying respect bcs he had no pc, hope he'll get one soon :)
@@suisegs69420 if he doesn't have one, then he doesn't need it
@@Saigonas Or maybe he doesn't have the money
Keep making awesome video guys! Built my dream pc with the help of your videos. Thank you!
@Curtis Riceman yup, ryzen 5 2600 and rx 570. Always trying to get the best price to performance king component for 1080p
I was curious how you would normalize. Mount one type of stock coolers on the other platform, gutsy. Who would have thought that ASRock putting the 'wrong' mounting mechanism on it would make this possible.
Yeah i was extremely confused when I opened a I7-4770/I7-6700 and saw that box cooler was without the copper core.
Testing the I7-6700/7700 was also frustrating when i noticed it can still easily over heat on some Coolers that claimed 100,125&135wtdp cooling.
Once i saw that i knew for sure Intel was lying about the 95Wtdp. I knew they would go down hill from that day. Also the fact that I7-2600 made more sense then moving minor performance gains with gen 3 & 4.
I am not sure if it was done before. But be fun to watch 2nd gen through gen 7 performance gain's over the years. Feels like it was only 5-8% gains. Just problem is we will be called fan boys.
I am still a fan of old Xeon's. X58/x79.. so...
But anyways i was happy with fx8350 i used for 3 years back then. It was like more than half the price of Intels offering back then. But yes it aged bad and loved the old Xeon's.
But was never a fan of Intels gen 3,4,6,&7 I7s. Slowly trying to scam you to upgrade. And changing board sockets constantly.
Now a $100 Ryzen 1600 will really Carry anyone... Or 2700,3600 or 3700X for higher end cards.
Okay. Next vid: 9900k vs 3900X with their boxcoolers. Der8auer has ran several CPUs without any cooler, it is possible. I'd like to see how long the 9900k takes to render smth vs the 3900X in this scenario ;)
Isn't the 3900x already faster than the 9900k on rendering tasks?
@@robinsuj it is in most situations ;)
Fire extinguishers at the ready!
AMD's plan with Ryzen wasn't just to compete with processors, it was to compete and then outdo with stock coolers. You give a good air cooler that can handle mild overclocks, against the Intel stock coolers that aren't even great at stock speeds. That was a great business move to secure more of a hold over the low end and especially mid range builds.
I had the copper core stock cooler come with my i5 4440 (the first and only rig that I had built for me). Needless to say that it ran silently on that rather lower power CPU, and that even another stock cooler (far crappier fins+smaller fan than the all-aluminium stock cooler tested) is able to keep it at 60 degrees under a full load.
And its the same for a Xeon E3 1220 v2. Dead silent with either cooler. Although my i7 4770 really pushed the limits, partly due to the extra 150mV it required for 3.9GHz all cores than my 4790K at 4.2GHz.
FYI your all cpu is 22nm maks temp had limitation @ 72℃~72.7℃ (84W~88W CPU), then your Xeon 69W so Xeon is xx℃ runs cool compared to other.
@@claritoresdiano1021 You're referring to tcase which is the safe temp limit of the ihs and not the cores which run hotter.
@@WoodenMarker true Tdie run between 5~10℃
I'm still using the Wrath Stealth with my 3600 and it's not really a problem. The CPU is basically idle in games and my case fans easily out noise it. It's only when maxing out the CPU in handbrake that the cooler becomes audible but it's still bearable. This is with a -0.75v offset which helps.
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Remember, when someone asks you if you're a God, you say YES!
Love my 3700X/Wraith Prism. It never goes above 75c.
What fan mode are you on if you dont mind my asking and is it loud? Looking to get a 3700x and do a mixture of gaming and CAD workloads on it. Not sure whether to get a Cryorig H5 to go with it or put the money into more RAM. Cheers.
@@alhemmings8554 the stock cooler is Good but even a cheap 212 Evo would do the job I say go for 16gb of ram 3200/3600
What if say Intel actually released a decent box cooler with their non-K (Or K series) processors? Is there any way to get the am3/am4 clip style coolers to work on an modern lga15xx motherboard to test on a 65W/95W Intel processor? This would answer the "what if" questions. Could an affordable Wraith Prism in the box tame a 8700/9900 or even a 9900K?
I mentioned the clip style cooler found on the Wraith Prism cooler as I thought some aftermarket LGA15xx socket coolers had used similar style clip retention hardware. I am not sure about the difference in CPU height and the resulting mounting pressure, but a copper shim/plate could help... since it is just for fun! The Wraith Spire and Stealth coolers probably could not be tested with their screw mounting, however.
Good video Steve! As you point out its just a bit of fun, but curious why not just use another ITX board with the AM4 bracket for comparison on the same test bench/case? Also good to hear the 3700X and the Prism work well together, I think the only criticism of all box* CPU coolers would be including them undoubtedly increases the price, but I really don't know by how much and if it's only a $10-15 USD 'cost' passed onto the consumer, seems perfectly fine for me.
I don't have another X570 ITX board and even if I did it wouldn't replicate what we get with the Asrock board and the upright chipset cooler. This is the best way to replicate what we get with the Asrock ITX board.
Will the temperature with the Wraith Spire and Wraith Prism be any different on the Ryzen 7 2700? Will it be any hotter than the 4770K under load with the Hyper 212 Evo? Arctic MX-4 being the thermal compound as always.
Prism will be cooler. Im sure the 2700 will run a lot cooler than the Intel part. TDP is way lower and I think the AMD 65w parts can put around 112w into a cooler. This would be comfortable for the 125w rated Prism, but not the 95w Spire. Also, I think Intel still calculates TDP as base clock instead of under load.
I still would love a Ryzen Version without Cooler and Warranty
It's just a waste of materials all these wraith coolers who will never be used.
If you don't want the stock cooler many people sell them on eBay.
Intel be like "Yo... I heard you wanted to a cooler with the CPU so we made you the cheapest one to keep costs low. Temperatures won't exceed CPU max, just don't overclock you'll be alright."
PCMR: *Opens CPU box and throws out cooler*
Intel: "OK... we remove cooler from our future CPUs."
PCMR: *Throws Intel CPU away and goes with AMD."*
Intel: "OK... but we win real world applications and games".
I love how intel has been using the same cooler since the 1990s
Intel stock coolers are so retro looking, they really look out of place in modern hardware imo.
I used the stock cooler with the 4770K for over four years, through all those European summer heatwaves...
With my deepest sympathy.
@@perschistence2651 For the CPU, not the user...
Press F to pay respect
How did you do sound testing? And any more reasoning behind the seemingly arbitrarily selected RPM values for the AMD coolers?
It's my first time in your channel and when I saw that beast behind you I knew that I'm going to fall in love with your videos men! Amazing video bro keep going like this!
AMD wins because of the RGB in the coolers, we all know that RGB is better for gaming and cooling performance.
Realtalk
I am entirely unsurprised. Intel coolers are essentially terrible.
I'd like to point out that the aftermarket supplies mounting brackets for mounting AMD coolers to intel sockets, but this is only for the lever design before anyone tries to lynch me.
rather than doing such thing, u better off buy Deepcool Gammax 400 or Hyper 212
People complaining about the AMD boxed coolers? they've either never used one and just assume they're bad like intel or they're jealous intel fanboys trying to make new PC users spend more than they need too.
My biggest gripe with the Intel coolers are when the plastic mounting pegs randomly pop out of the motherboard. Usually it's only on one corner, so you can't tell there's a problem until it starts throttling or shutting down. I've had the mounting lugs break off of some older AMD socket AM2/AM3 motherboards too, but at least those are usually easy to spot. The last one that broke on me had left the CPU cooler laying on the video card. Luckily I just happened to look inside before turning the system on that day.
**cries with 4790k with intel stock cooler**
you absolute masochist
Why though ? You can get tower coolers for cheap as 15$
@@Rentta yeah i know, i will get hyper 212 evo
@@shawnpitman876 how am i lying, you idiot? I didn't say that hyper 212 evo is 20$ cooler.
Consider the Arctic Freezer 33/34 or the Cryorig H7 instead of the Hyper 212 Evo if it's cheaper or at the same price.
I remember when reviewers were giving LARGE amounts of praise for the AMD Wraith series. The Wraith Max and Prism in particular. It's funny how everyone is now just "meh" about them, even though AMD's CPUs are at the same TDP so performance hasn't changed.
This is because they made the most popular/widespread cooler, the Wraith Spire, SIGNIFICANTLY worse with Ryzen 3000 & 5000 than with 1000 & 2000. The OG Wraith Spire that came with Zen/Zen+ had a copper vapor chamber in the center as its cold plate, rather than just being 100% aluminum like the new Wraith Spires. Performance is much worse with the new Spire vs the old one.
I put a prism cooler on a R5 2600, it performs awesome!
Yeah I had one for a while. It's a little noisy sometimes. It's now on my 4 year olds 2200g
I have my Ryzen CPU paired up with the included Wraith Prism cooler, and I've never had any issued, but my previous CPU (Intel i7 4790k) ran so hot I literally had to go out and purchase a new cooler the next day, and a water cooler the day after (it ran at 85C+ with an absolutely massive air cooler, it's hot where I resided back then). It's mad that the (until recently) biggest CPU manufacturer in the world can't be bothered to provide a cooler adequate to the requirements of the CPU.
I don’t think beating a dead horse is necessary.
Last video with AMD cooler down grades people lost their shits at AMD glad this video is up
This is not the demographic. For standard office pc its sufficient. The intel CPUs we buy dont come with coolers. We'd still use the high end coolers even if they did. And wed still use the high end coolers on AMD cpus even though AMD's supplied cooler does do better than the intel.
@@fredfinks It's not sufficient for shit if you live in a hot country, I had a 3770k which I had to use for like 2 weeks with its box cooler and it throttles like there were no tomorrow. By the time I didn't do more things than office, browsing, and light gaming.
You get nothing by defending a company that gives you nothing but absurd prices unless you are getting paid for copy-paste the same comment over and over.
@@yottaXT You have a 3770k, get a decent cooler.
One of the deciding factors with buying 3700X instead of 3600 for me was the cooler upgrade. The Prism was basically the lowest-spec CPU cooler I was willing to settle with, so not having to buy another cooler bridged enough of the price difference for me to make the step-up to 8-core worth it. (Also, I guess it's more ecological not to buy a hunk of metal you'll never use.)
The great news is u don't have to upgrade the AMD Wraith Prism RGB if u get one one,
but to make it as good as it could be out of the box (that's no more holes between calo-ducs on top of CPU)
u have like 2 hours of sanding in front of u. So it's more like a home up-gradable kit, but still usable in the AMD SOB unfinished way.
I've ran my R5 1600 with the stock cooler with an all-core OC @ 3.8ghz / 1.325v for months without an issue. I decided to get it back to stock just to get more longevity out of the system, but it ran super cool and quiet during my creativity workloads (which is what I do the most... video rendering, graphic design, photo editing, etc).
Even a plastic windmill would have more build quality and cooling capability than Intel's stock cooler.
Am I the only one who remembers Gulftown 980X? When Intel actually shipped a Tower Cooler and went as far as using black sleeves on the fan cables? If I remember correctly, they also marketed the included cooler quite heavily and now you don't even get a cooler with Extreme Edition CPUs and K skus + Pathetic coolers on everything else
The solution is just doing a little undervolting, I a 5500, with a 1.200v current it doesn't geet past 55°C even at 100% usage cooling it with just the Wraith Stealth that came included
Is that His PC in the background? so cool
my ryzen 5 3600 with stock cooler never went over 82c in any benchmark or any amount of time gaiming with it, i undervolted it in bios by 0.0750 volts and its runs max 67c
My LGA775 stock cooler with copper core is still thicker than recent intel cooler. I think the type is D34017-002.
Yh ive got an old one too its like double the size of what intel cooler are now
Not that it really matters, but if you're interested in seeing how the Intel coolers perform at their maximum ear-bleeding speed you might be able to force it using third party software... the antique SpeedFan software from Almico works with my Ryzen 5 1600 (and used to be setup to alter my case fan speed based on GPU temperature, although SpeedFan stopped detecting that sensor after a motherboard BIOS update) and allows manual PWM speed setting, although it can take a bit of trial and error to find the settings that work. JayzTwoCents has an old video guide to setting it up.
I upgraded a few bits and decided to use the wraith stealth (first time ever I’ve tried it) to save some time compared with fitting my old hyper 212 evo. What a mistake! Sounds like a jet plane taking off, even when not doing anything intensive. Taking it off tomorrow, throwing it in the bin, and getting my hyper 212 evo back in!
While it is 100% clear Intel just doesn't care, they figure the people who don't know any better won't ever notice and the people who do will buy an after market cooler. But what really bugs me is AMD.
I built a 8 systems with the R5 1600 2 years ago and they all came with the copper Wraith Spire which is a fine cooler even for moderate OC's. Now to see the 3600 with just the awful Stealth (obviously to save a few bucks) means any systems I build for clients with that will have to have after market coolers. That will increase the cost to my clients, admittedly by only $30 (I'll just give them all the Hyper 212) that does mean an increase in cost and that extra money will mean other compromises will have to be made to stay inside the clients budget (and clients getting the 3600 are likely in the $1000 and under budget range which means every dollar counts).
The 3600 at $200 is still peanuts. You'd save 15 bucks tops. GPUs and RAM being overpriced are bigger issues.
@@alhemmings8554 RAM isn't overpriced and at the low end GPU's aren't overpriced. They're pretty much where they always have been. I can count on one hand the number of people who have come to me looking for and with the budget for a top end GPU.
I tend to deal with people who know just enough to know they don't want a prebuilt from Dell or HP but don't feel confident building it themselves.
@@KenS1267 I live in the UK. 20% sales tax makes everything expensive.
@@alhemmings8554I've spent time in London and the VAT doesn't raise prices beyond what I'm used to in the US. The only thing noticeably more expensive was gas.
The wraith prism is pretty loud for what it is but it functions and looks good as hell doing it
I have to wonder, is there any data in relation to cpu degredation vs temperature? I ask, because I wonder if 90C is really that much worse than 60C. In the definition of thermal throttling, the cpu throttles to PREVENT damage to the cpu, which would indicate no damage could occur anywhere underneath the throttle temp.
To say that as long the CPU is within operating temperature, it's unlikely. Obviously there could be more degradation with higher temperature but this kind of degradation is rather small in the life span of the material. It's more of a matter of stability. Voltages should be the thing to be wary of as it can kill transistors in an instant no matter the temperature.
I mean, according to AMD, the maximum temperature of a 3600 is 95C, so you won't really have any issues as long as you don't pass that threshold. Nevertheless, it provides me the peace of mind knowing that my CPU isn't anywhere near that temperature. As to life expectancy though, I doubt you'll run into any issues with that, since most pc components have a life expectancy of +- 15 years, so even reducing it by half won't cause much harm, since by then I imagine most people would want to upgrade anyways.
Some Deepcool coolers are supplied with an Intel to AM4 adaptor ring. You could also have tested the AMD coolers on an Intel cpu for fun.
Great video, too bad that AMD choosed to add the stealth cooler with the Ryzen 5 3600, if they had only included the Spire one, that will have turned the 3600 to be like the terminator of all midrange Gaming CPUs ever. I never feel confortable with temps around or higher than 80° on winter (gaming and applications). I changed the stock stealth cooler of my Ryzen 5 3600 one with a Tower One, temps went down around 15° to 16°C on Cinebench R20 and almost 14°C on prime95 (used to get 93,5° on prime95, then it went to 79.5°c). As for gaming with PB enable (which is worthless for now at 60Hz) I get 8°C less compared to stock cooler, and with PB disable, I get ~12 to 14°C less compared to the same setup but with the stock cooler. (All the gaming numbers are with vsync disable of course). I guess I still have to work on my case ventilation, but since is my first Tower Cooler I have no experience at all witht them (I didn't even thought about the fact that the tower cooler would suck in the hot air of my RTX 2700), anyways, it will be a try and test process. Cheers!
It's not competition... it's a bloodbath
I used the intel box cooler with my old i3-2100 (undervoltedbecause why not) and it was reasonnably cool and quiet, when it was new, after a few months the fan became quite a bit noisier, at the same rpm, and you can't just switch the fan so I replaced it with the cheapest cooler I could find at the time, a Zalman flower cooler, and it had better thermals and noise. The intel cooler is a temporary solution at best IMO.
Don't know if the fan on AMD coolers deteriorates as fast, but at least it seems to be using sandard 92mm mounting holes so you don't have to just toss the whole thing away.
Hey, great video! I was wondering if you could also see how the BXTS15A stacks up compared to the AMD stock coolers.
Last time I built a PC (still rocking it, FX8350xGTX1080 bottleneck), we were able to buy a BOX or OEM CPUs, so if you wanted to save some you just got OEM version, which came in a tiny plastic box, sticker may or may not be included.
Hey Steve, you should definitely check out the rx 5700 non xt with aib coolers, i got a sapphire rx 5700 pulse and got quite impressive oveclocking result, over 10% performance improvement over the stock result in games.
I managed a 1.95 GHz oc stable at just under 1.1V and all of that while bearly increasing the stock fan curve, but i may have got a golden chip.
example of the oc result:
3d mark timespy stock: www.3dmark.com/spy/8241113
3d mark timespy oc: www.3dmark.com/spy/8229648
would you mind also posting firestrike graphic scores as well? I want to compare it to my Vega 56. This is also the best result I could get on timespy so your 5700 is definitely a beast for the price: www.3dmark.com/spy/7965089
@@SebastianE18 np dude
rx 5700 stock: www.3dmark.com/fs/20212182
rx 5700 oc: www.3dmark.com/fs/20234016
and the nice thing is that it "only" consume about 190w with the OC
and the card stays at 75c to 80c edge temp and 100c junction so the fans to ramp up to ear bleeding noise levels
I love how the Prism is basically the same box cooler i got with my Phenom II 1090t just with a better rgb'd fan
The design is very similar to what came with Opteron CPU's way back, but those coolers were smaller over all. What's changed since then is the direct contact heatpipe design and the dimensions. With the Opteron processors we got a lot of different designs, making me think they had several suppliers at that time, but now it seems they've gone with a single supplier for several years. My guess would be Cooler Master but I'm far from certain.
Having the bad Wraith Stealth bundled with the 3600 is not a big deal because it is such a good value CPU? I disagree a bit, they better don't bundle any cooler with it and lower the price with $5-10, whatever it costs. I would prefer no stock cooler for any CPU. Which cooler the user needs strongly depends on his preferences, use-case-scenario (audio-recording for example) and which case he uses. The Wraith Prism cooler is pretty impressive though for a stock cooler, I don't know if it is good enough for the 3700X and 3900X because of how frequent and how fast the fan ramps up given that the temperature increases so fast when a core boosts.
@@shawnpitman876 Exactly pay more for i7-8700 though this CPU doesn't exist to pull out aftermarket cooler performance XD.
Back when I got my i5 4690K, it came with this exact trash cooler, it used to be always at %100 utilization in everything I do, which basically playing gta5, and the average temps I used to get were around the 90C mark!
Didn’t last 2 months until I upgraded to an AIO tho!
Ryzen 1600, A320 Motherboard, RX570.
The budget king, but nothing without a decent stock cooler.
I stick with Ryzen 5 2600, A320 with a RX580
but the temps on motherboard seems worrying, around 110°c on some of the sensors
Cut down to a 1200 if you're gonna run a RX 570 and get a proper b450 board/power supply that can safely overclock. Upgrade CPU and GPU when needed.
What was the program used here? Prime95?
Video idea: Update of the "What they need to fix" videos going over if they have fixed any of your suggestions, gotten worse at something, or fixed something that wasn't mentioned.
I've got a stock heatsink challenge for you: Find and test the Intel-specified stock cooler for the i9-9900K. While it is not included in the box, Intel DOES specify a 'stock' cooler for the i9-9900k, as well as other K-series processors. The thing is...I've never been able to actually find one for sale. According to Intel's specs, the cooler for the 9900k is the PCG 2015D. Supposedly it is a 120mm AIO, but I can't be sure because I can't find any. So, this is my challenge to you: talk to your contacts at Intel to see if they can get you one of these mythical coolers, then test it out!
EDIT: Ok, so I think I had the part number wrong. PCG 2015D is more of a spec. The two Intel parts which meet that spec are BXTS15A and BXTS13X. You CAN find those, but I've still never seen anyone test them!
There should be a trend/meme where people ship the Intel box coolers back to Intels headquarters and put a note. "hey i think you made a mistake you dropped this in my Intel box and I can't use it because its terrible, I don't want 80-105 degrees temps. You can have it back, I don't need a paperweight."
These box cooler videos are great! I think it's quite important to discuss the efficiency of the included coolers. And in the case of AMD processors, you can actually use the included cooler instead of just throwing it away.
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You vs the guy she told you not to worry about
You should also test with the $15 cooler from Aliexpress called "Snowman" xD
just wierd that the 1600 came with a spire and the 3600 does not, it really is a great cooler
Remember Pentium 4 775 socket era where intel stock coolers were taller, copper core and bigger Fan? I wonder how they would perform on this chart
it looks like intel got their fans from a scrapyard