What Is The Max Range For TSS Waterfowl Ammo? TESTED
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- čas přidán 26. 07. 2024
- I use a ballistics gel and pattern test to determine the maximum range for APEX Waterfowl TSS hunting ammo. I tried this #9 TSS duck hunting load at 40, 50, 60, 70, and 80 yards to see how far it can be effective. In this TSS ammo review I found the APEX load to have serious long range capabilities, it is very capable of long distance usage with excellent pattern density and ballistics gel penetration.
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I did this test at a certified range with a Mossberg 940 Pro Waterfowl shotgun and a Carlson’s Sporting Clays ported full choke tube. The load was the 3” APEX Waterfowl TSS, 1550 FPS, with 1 ounce of #9 Tungsten Super Shot. This is outstanding for hunting ducks, geese, or just about anything that flies. Apex provided the shells tested in this video at my request, and Carlson's sent the choke tube, thanks to them for their support. #duckhunting #waterfowlhunting #goosehunting
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Thanks for all the testing!
Thanks so much Ben!
Good work in helping hunters understanding the different shot types, chokes and patterns!!!!! Thank you!!!
Thank you so much!
Although i would never buy this because of the price, those test results are incredible. Thanks for the vid!
Thanks for watching!
Happy Thanksgiving George, that tss is a wicked load, god bless you and go get them in the marsh
Thanks so much Jeff, happy Thanksgiving!
Thanks, great review.
Thank you so much!
Am new to your channel, like the content and special( the choke’s pattern test) you did,I came cross a new choke’s by KVP in my specific shotgun they work good and so far no one have a video of them, hope you can get more info, and maybe do a pattern test video with upland game load,Thanks and looking forward with good content videos 👍🏼
Thank you so much!
For waterfowl, a 5/8oz load of #9 TSS is more than enough firepower at 225 pellets. That's more than double the pellets of a 20ga 3" #2 steel at 107 pellets per shell. The TSS pellets carry a lot further, have less recoil, with no muzzle jump and much less sound. I prefer the 28ga and the .410 for ducks, geese, cranes and everything in between. These guns are fun to shoot and deadly from 20 yards to 90+ yards.
Yea that makes sense!
Thank you for the content sir. I wish you’d run some #7 shot or larger at those distances too.
#7 TSS? I did a 9 vs 7 turkey video last spring, check it out. Very insightful for waterfowl I think.
I will say I shoot the warchief #5s at wood ducks and have stoned multiple woodies at 60 yards with my muller passing choke. Not crippled, 1 shot and done. I think the video where you shot the 3/5 blend at 60 yards you mentioned the #5s in the blend getting around 2.5” of penetration in the ballistics gel. I could definitely see the tss crushing woodies at 80yards based on the test results. Awesome video by the way!
Thanks so much! Yes, I think that is certainly possible!
That's amazing. A while back I watched a video of someone shooting wigeon with a .410! And TSS shot; they were killing them beyond 50yds! The patterns were only about the size of a soccer ball at 40 yds -TOO tight. This shot would be great out of a cylinder choke -you could not miss? I think I would rather have 7's though. I have drilled the rib on my A5 and installed a stainless mid sight. You are not realy conscious of it when shooting, but it helps on lining up swimming crippled ducks and sitting squirrels! Keep up the good work.
Thanks! I'd like a mid-sight honestly. #7s would hurt the pattern too much. #8 or #8.5 would give you more long range capability for Geese.
Yeah- wouldn't it be great if someone would make a 1oz load that was reasonably priced say $.75 each that we could use for anything! EVERYONE would buy them-they would corner the market.@@TheNewHuntersGuide
They did that! It was caused lead. But it didn't work out lol@@davidbilbrough3726
I purchase the same Birchwood Casey Pregame reactive mallard targets that you do. There are a bunch in-stock at my closest Sportsman's Warehouse, but I know they sell them on their website and can ship to you.
I've got more now. This video was shot in the middle of summer. They were sold out globally then!
Can you do Kent faststeel+ vs Migras. 2/4 if possible. Love the videos keep them up!
Yes! I just bought both shells. But it might be awhile, already recorded all my videos for the season so I can hunt
@@TheNewHuntersGuide great to hear, good luck and stay safe.
Pearl clutchers already firing off!
Ha
Wow. Thank you for counting thousands of pellets in the targets. I guess I'll be counting a lot of pellets in the duck when I dress it out !!!
Oh yea, you don't really want to shoot these at ducks at close range, that's for sure!
Deadly. Have you tried any of the Apex steel tungsten blend?
Not yet, but I hope to!
How do you become a boss member to get the shells for $1.80ea.
You have to join the program when enrollment is open. They closed it before the season began to make sure all members got all the perks. It should re-open in the spring.@@dustinshaw2419
I use Apex TSS 7.5 upland loads & Turkey chokes for late season SoDak pheasants that routinely flush 50 yds out all day long.
Thats a pretty novel use case. Nice.
This would be interesting to test through a turkey choke to see if they are a viable replacement for the Apex 2oz turkey loads. Basically the same price but you get 10 in this box.
I did think about that. But the tighter the choke the worse the pattern gets. This was the best choke I tested with these. But to be honest, they are plenty good for a turkey at regular ranges. I will still probably use the more expensive turkey loads just because they hold tighter, but for the casual turkey hunter, these are going to be better than any lead on the market.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide That's good to know! I always have some Longbeard XR as back up but might pattern some of these out to 60 to see if they are a better option...
Good video didn't think they was that good. What size TSS is best for wood ducks around 40-50 yards
For wood ducks, #9 or #10
@@TheNewHuntersGuide thanks I appreciate it
A little off topic but I wonder how a wax slug with TSS would work. Probably no different than lead but smaller bbs hold together better.
That's an interesting idea.
Isn’t #9 a skeet size? With those great patterns wouldn’t you want bigger shot?
The value of TSS is you can use very small pellets and thus have many more of them. This #9 has about the same ballistics energy as Steel #1 or BB shot. But instead of having 90 pellets in the shell it has 400. Bigger shot would give you more power but less pattern. The pattern is the great advantage. Pattern at range is what extends range. #7s wouldn't have enough pattern at long range to reliably do the job, though it would have more power, it wouldn't be able to bring it to bear.
George - what ammo/choke did you kill your mallards with last week?
BOSS warcheif 3/5 3" with a Muller decoy and later a muller ufo. Was hunting in different setups and changed chokes for different conditions
@@TheNewHuntersGuide thanks! I bought that exact combo (with the decoy choke) a month ago after I started watching your channel. I’m looking forward to trying both out - hopefully this weekend.
Awesome! Looking forward to hearing how it goes!@@dondgc2298
Now the losers that sky bust may actually stand a chance of killing the fowl they shoot at.
Eh, unlikely. The ammo is more capable than most shooters.
When is a 75 yard shot even ethical? In my youth I sky blasted like most young hunters did. If you drop a duck 75 yards away in a pond or slough good luck recovering the bird even with a good dog.
Do you have any time in flight data to calculate lead? Judging speed and distance is critical. How good is anyone at 75 yards? I remember (barely) shooting Canadas that were extremely tall with lead. When we stood to shoot someone yelled “lead them a suburban “. Taking shots that MIGHT drop a bird isn’t right.
If you can make the shot, the ammo will do its job. Most hunters aren't able to shoot that far because they don't practice and shoot sporting clays. But for those who do and can make the shot, it's perfectly ethical. Most people will miss by a car length, but the cost of the ammo keeps that kind of poor shooting in check.
Where the edges of the patterns well defined? The War Chief was a kill or miss pattern. The stuff is phenomenal. Stoned a bunch of roosters with it at max range too. Hammering snows way better than steel.
TSS 7 shot would kill past 100. Do you think the 1550 is necessary?
You can freeze the video and look at the patterns yourself. #7 has the power past 100 but I dont think it has the pattern due to the fewer pellets, unless you are using 2oz turkey loads. Is the 1550 needed? No, but it isn't hurting the pattern at all. Its mostly marketing I think, adding more TSS shot is super expensive, adding more velocity for show is nearly free. And the recoil isn't bad due to the 1oz payload.@@scottsantrizos6849