BEST Choke For APEX TSS Waterfowl Ammo | TESTED
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- čas přidán 23. 08. 2023
- This is a test to find best choke tube constriction for APEX TSS Waterfowl hunting ammo. In this review I tested Carlson's choke tubes and Muller choke tubes at 40 yards to see how each pattern. I used the following choke tubes: modified, full, extra full, decoy, passing, UFO. This is high performance APEX #9 shot tungsten traveling at 1550 fps in a 3" shell. It is ideal for hunting ducks, geese, pheasants, and much more at long range. I was very surprised with the test results.
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In this experiment I used my Mossberg 940 Pro Waterfowl shotgun with its 28" barrel. I did the test at a certified range using quality eye and ear protection. The choke tube giving the best pattern density was not what I expected. Also the recoil was not too high. APEX provided the shells tested in this video at my request, and Carlson's and Muller provided the chokes. Thanks to them for their support. #waterfowlhunting #duckhunting #goosehunting
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Wow that is some super stuff! Thanks a bunch George for doing so much work! Fantastic videos! I don’t do waterfowl hunting but Turkey and lots of other. So much of your info crosses into all hunting fields not just waterfowl. Very useful!
Thanks! One of my first thoughts was actually using this as a turkey load, since its a bit cheaper. But the patterning of the true turkey shells is drastically better. Though this added velocity is nice. I wouldn't be opposed to using them in a pinch. But the tighter the choke the worse they seem to pattern, so that approach has limits.
Thank you fir this vid! I just started hand loading my own tss
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for doing this for us!
Thanks for watching!
Another great video
Thank you Ben!
Cool stuff 👍👍
Thanks so much!
Your channel is way under viewed! Thanks for the info
Thank you so much! I hope the views catch up lol
I shot this ammo last season at ducks and Canadians and it performed flawlessly! We were set up on a predominantly duck pond one morning and it actually ended up being more geese than ducks. I only had the TSS #9's and it did the job on those geese! I was worried at first but after the first group it was clear that a goose at 30 yards had no chance against #9's! I shot a factory modified choke for most of the season. One interesting thing I noticed when cleaning ducks was there was complete pass through with the pellets! I hardly ever found pellets while cleaning birds. This stuff is absolutely crazy at what it can do. I also used it squirrel hunting and it preformed just as good! just another plus is being able to use TSS squirrel hunting on public lands where non toxic shot is required. Shooting squirrels with steel is almost useless but the TSS really opened up my abilities in the woods! If you can afford to buy some to try it out, definitely do so.
Thanks for the input! The pass through phenomenon is really an interesting one. I hope I am able to hunt with some of this and see for myself.
Another excellent presentation. To save money and lessen the beating on your shoulder, have you ever thought about putting the ballistic gel behind the paper target so that you can test the pattern and penetration at the same time? Not having done this myself, I have no idea if it would actually work, but I thought I’d bring it up. Thanks again, god bless, and go get ‘em on the high plains!
Thanks so much! I have thought about it, and there are two issues. First, the paper would retard penetration and un-even amount due to the folding, tape, and metal lattice inside. And second, I would get little bits of paper and cardboard propelled into the ballistics gel and it would be ruined much faster. I could put the pellets on the gel, no problem. But the other issues are prohibitive. Thanks for the thoughts though!
George let's see the UFO pattern with boss legacy #4s. Great channel bro! Keep it up!
You know, I just realized I never have done that. I am planning to test all the new Warchief shells through it today, but I've not seen what it will do with the legacy. I'll see if I can work that in some way.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide you da man!!
Hey George hope all is well, I tried the salt creek ammo bismuth #4 awesome load, they make triple curl tss loads and cylinder and ic seems to work best with the tss. Thanks man. God bless you and go get them in the marsh.
Thanks so much! I wasn't even aware that they made a bismuth load!
@@TheNewHuntersGuide yes he is custom ammo,he will make whatever you want , thanks George
Yep, we can make you basically whatever you want... Blue collar outdoors, Daddy Duck 365 and RD Reynolds Outdoors have all featured our Triple Curl TSS waterfowl ammunition.
Thanks!@@jeffbarris8172
I feel like I’m watching Michael Scott reviewing choke tubes
No you don't, else the reviews would be funnier!
I saw tss shells in action goose hunting last year. Had a young hunter in the blind shooting tss (reloaded 8’s) 20 ga. Had a flock of 4 geese work in and 3 of us jumped up knocked 3 down and as the last bird was flying away I was thinking well he shouldn’t have gotten away. Kid fired his last shot and dropped the goose stone dead at approximately 80 yards. I was more than impressed.
I 100% believe it. I have some long-range testing on the way.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide perfect glad to hear that. I’ve been out of town for quite awhile if you would still like that chronograph I’ll mail it to you
@kross1261 I don't recall, does it work with shotgun pellets?
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I’ve used it successfully with now and rifle have never tried a shotgun
@@kross1261Thanks, well, If you are getting rid of it, I'd happily receive it. I'm not sure what I could use it for, but I'm sure I could find something.
thank u, i have buy the TSS choke calson's (.640) but the pattern are not good with my tss load, i think full or x-full are better
Do you mean the 0.640 turkey choke? That only patterns well with some loads, I have some turkey videos coming in the later winter to dig into that more.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide yep, turkey choke (mobile système beretta)
Had a cripple duck shot with steel swimming away @ 75 yards & popped in a tss load & destroyed it
That is a great way to make use of these shells!
I was just thinking about titanium bird shot or Waterfowll shot .what if somebody used titanium pellets and got the speed up to around 2000 plus feet per second for a waterfall load
So actually titanium has a very light density, half the density of steel. Which would make it one of the worst possible materials for a projectile. It is very strong but it is light, which is why it's used in jets. It's a good idea, but it's on the wrong side of the density scale.
Hey George - can TSS be shot through the 940 factory chokes? Not finding much on this.
For the 940 Turkey Choke it cannot, which is dumb, I asked Mossberg. For the Waterfowl Modified choke, I am not sure. I never asked about that one. You'd want to contact customer service. Then let me know what they say lol.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I don’t do much turkey hunting these days. Just waterfowl. I’ve been testing hand loaded TSS both duplex and TSS only.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I got this in an email from Carlson. I told them I hand load TSS in #7 or smaller for waterfowl. They are pretty responsive.
Me: I am looking for choke tubes for waterfowl that I can shoot TSS through in a Mossberg 940 Pro. I just need to know what Carlson chokes can be used with TSS aside from turkey chokes. The website isn’t too clear on what can be used with TSS.
Carlson Customer Service: All of them can shoot the smaller TSS that you are loading. If you get to loading larger than the #7 then you will have to go with a more open turkey choke. You will need the Winchester Browning Invector Mossberg 500.
That is a dramatic difference between the Carlson's and Muller tubes. What does the internal geometry of the chokes look like?
I don't think I could give any useful description of the inside of the choke tubes. I will say the quality of the metal is very nice. Interestingly, the Carlson's all patterned almost the same. The Muller gives you alot of diversity.
I cant tell you the difference on diameters. I can only say Muller deigned his chokes to give a more consistent pattern out to certain ranges with his chokes ( better spread with less holes in pattern). Carlsons is an extremely nice patterning tight choke.
You need to try Rectifire Choke Tubes.
Haven't heard of them. What do they add to the mix?
Curious what muller would pattern against jebs choke tubes with tss and boss shells
What is the claim to fame for the Jebs chokes? What makes them different or better than everyone else at the same constrictions?
I'm leaning towards anything being better than the muller😂
@@briansullivan7997this seems VERY odd in his results. If you watch surviving duck season he performed test with different guns and ammo and the muller choke performed better with pattern in all cases with all different ammos. I would definitely want to see Jim Muller weigh in on this.
Is there any difference between the apex tss upland and their waterfowl tss?
Its a fair question, I have no idea. I've never seen a box of the upland. I'll keep my eyes open though.
@TheNewHuntersGuide I ordered 1 box today from Gordy and Sons. Try it on them running roosters that seems to get up just out of range for bismuth.
I'd love to know how it does!@@2stevestave
I wish more people would test factory chokes. Chokes IMO are the biggest waste of money in shotgunning.
Haha, you may be right but your perspective is narrow. My shotgun only came with 1 choke and its not rated for TSS.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide what's not tss rated about it?
I recently bought into the internet hype surrounding Muller chokes and bought a 12ga passing for my Benelli SBE 1 with the forcing cone lengthened at angle-port when Rob Roberts was running the place,also fitted with a 720 ported choke tube ive shot for 25 years,but thought id see what all the hooplah was about....and...to be polite i was throughly unimpressed..I ran 2 diffent 3in loads,and 2 differnt 2 3/4 loads thru it and my patterns all look like yours (horrible) as a matter of fact its probably the worst choke tube that has touched the barrel of any of my guns in over 30 years..What a total flop. I decided to put my own choke back in and ran the same series just to see if it was me or something else becasue how could it be that they were so horrible..it had to be something else....and yup..they smoked the Muller in all 4 loads..by at least 2x the amount of pellets and no giant gaping holes in my patern..I should have known better.if it sounds too good to be true it usually is,and in this case it is
Well, that's a sad story. What I can tell you is that with this ammo, the Muller was not impressive, unless you were trying to get the pattern to open more at close range. But with Bismuth, it's the best performing choke of any I've tested.
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#8 tss can kill snows at 120 yard
After the TSS test I just did yesterday that will air soon, I believe it.
But can you afford to shoot tss at snow geese 😂
Of course. Just not many snow geese...@@David-hn5ix
the load I make is 2 dollars a round and I don't shoot my birds 3 times to take them one and done.@@David-hn5ix
Too bad theyre out of stock and take two months to show up when they are in stock.
Hmm, they were in stock when I recorded this. I'm sure they'll be back. I would expect most other TSS loads of similar specs to have similar performance.
@@TheNewHuntersGuidewhen did you record this, I’ve been checking the stock for about a month and they are still out of stock
I think I recorded this in June actually. I would imagine their fall waterfowl season lot of ammo should be ready soon.@@Dunkinblownutzz_1