If you want to clean coins, I personally put tin foil in a pan, sprinkle baking soda on it, place the coin/bar, sprinkle a little more baking soda on top and cover it with boiling kettle water. You can see the changes almost instantly. Leave it for a bit, pull it out and wipe it off. Done it for years and not toxic and the shiny comes back....
Remember to not do this to anything collectable. It will ruin the value. I only clean things that aren't anything special or that I don't plan to sell.
I just bought twenty 1-oz rounds from a local shop. Yep, all in pvc flips. Took them out as I was watching this. Also realized EVERYTHING was in a pvc ammo can. That got swapped out for a metal can. Thanks much for the info.
Most places will do it because it's a cheap storage and transport options. I wish they will warn people but maybe they just assume folks know? I'm glad you shifted to better and safer storage options!
Great information on storage. Flip it around, no pun intended, but purchasing coins. This year I almost bought a coin that had green stuff on it, I thought pvc. You confirmed that, thanks for the great videos.
I’ve used SuperSafe 2X2 flips for many years. They are archival quality and they stick together so typically I don’t have to use staples. My junk silver is just kept in old Crown Royal bags and anything of real value goes in Airtight capsules.
I'll have to look into those! Thanks for sharing with us, it's really helpful! I use tubes for constitutional unless there is a fine example, then it goes into the Airtite like yours. 👊😎
firstly i love your channel!!! secondly thanks for being honest and saying your experiment did not work out, its nice when people show they are human instead of faking it. thridly which coins did you reholder like canada and south africa ??? and why ?
Thanks so much! I ended up keeping them in their current plastic holders simply because they didn't show signs of PVC damage and it was the original holder from the Mint. Will I change that in the future? Maybe but for now it is what it is. Thanks for watching!
Interesting testing by flame as an old HVAC Refrigeration guy we used to use a test with a propane torch with a special tip and tube to capture any escaping gas you move the tube along areas and watch the flame if it detects similar types of chemicals in the refrigerant it turns to a bright green. I may dig out my unit and try it.(some old timers still use this method) most detectors went to electronics now. I do use the wash method on occasions too. Thanks for the video
Never use rubberbands to hold your 10 ounce silver bars together when they are in plastic sleeves. I folded them and used a rubberband on the outside to hold it together. Bad idea. I totally stained the bars. The rubberband went right through the plastic. It was a weird reaction.
Yea I ordered a album for my coin collection and I kept it their for a little and when I came across this video I’m not gonna use that binder made from china says it pvc free but I don’t think so
Not as permanent as you might think, an ultrasonic cleaner as well as a bath in lemon juice can do wonders. I’ve cleaned many coins with a little ultrasonic cleaner from harbor freight. Originally bought it to clean my wife’s wedding ring from time to time.
Campbell's Lavatory I mean Laboratory. I was wondering what happened late in the video when the music stopped. Me personally I use Tarn X it works wonders.
😂😂😂 yeah I f'ed up and my editing software didn't combine the clips well. I changed it early in yesterday morning in CZcams but they said it would take a few hours before the changes take effect. Hopefully that minimized the crappiness. Tarn X works as does E-zest. Unsure of tarn X but e-zest starts to damage coins after prolonged exposure and especially if it's not rinsed off completely. Acetone is cheaper and does slightly less damage (I think). Might have to do an experiment in Campbell's Lavatory, sacrifice a few coins to see what happens. Hope you're doing well bud.
Great vid. Thx. Just use tarnish proof plastic baggies. They make them for long term storage of real silverware. There is a coating on them that anything in the air first attacks the coating not the contents. Good for silver, copper, etc. Prob solved.
Yeah not a fan of the flips at all for the reasons you outline in this video. As somewhat of an aside, I used the baking soda, aluminum and hot water gig to clean a collectible set of coins that had toned badly. The toning came off fairly quickly, but I noticed the toning returned very quickly. Not sure if I failed to dry them off adequately or whether once toned, always toned came into play and my futile efforts to remove it were in vain. I never thought to use acetone to get some of the grime or residue of the coins. I guess if I had any left I could try it! 🤓
I missed so many comments on this video. My apologies Vert. Have you tried EZ-est? I found that works the best for toning without any scrubbing needed, less than five seconds dipped and its gone. But make sure to rinse well under running water. Acetone seems to help more with dirt. I need to do more tests for the community. Thanks bro.
Good research. What do you make of the soft APMEX bags? Basically a ziploc or thicker sandwich bag. Since your flame test didn’t work out ... So PVC and not suitable for storage?
I'm really late to answering this question, my apologies. I'm not getting my notifications. Based on the softness and maneuverability of the plastic, I would say those Apmex bags have some PVC. Not as much as some flips but PVC helps tame plastic's rigidity. I put basic coins like Constitutional in those hard plastic tubes and/or Airtite capsules. I only use those ziplock bags for pennies I haven't sorted yet. I like to keep things safe if things are unknown.
Very interesting. How about silver bar stored in soft plastic. When I buy my silver bars the dealer normally placed them in sealed soft plastic covers. Sometime the bars are stored in soft plastic that connects all the bars together.
Can Nail polish remover with 100%Acetone melt plastic with PVC, I ask cuz I poured acetone in a plastic container and it melt and in another container from a different brand and it was ok. I was making a coin holder out of foam needed to know what plastic to use thanks
The cardboard flips seem generally safe for most coins. I've had coins in them for 30 years with no problems (silver, copper, clads) as long as they're not out in the sun or an extreme environment. For rare or valuable coins I would use the hard plastic snaplock or capitol holders. I like using the Air-Tite holders for silver eagles to prevent toning.
I would agree with you on the newish cardboard flips. I believe you, I would just feel more secure if they were in a newer flip. I like your strategy with the Air-Time product. Great job.
I bought some mylar cardboard coin holders from a good coin dealer but they are a strange brand not lighthouse and are made in china are these still safe could the plastic contain acid? any advice would be much appreciated
Do the solid coin holders contain pvc? I ordered a set of individual solid coin holders off Amazon. They look similar to what I’ve seen a lot of your coins hold in.
Great question. I haven't had the balls to try it out myself. I also don't have any gold coins that require dipping. If you're talking about a numismatic coin, I wouldn't do it. If it's a bullion coin, I wouldn't fear acetone as much but care is needed.
Yes, acetone or rubbing alcohol can be used to clean gold and any other metal, it won't do anything. The reason PVC can cause damage is because it contains chlorine groups. When exposed to light it slowly decomposes, releasing HCl (hydrochloric acid). HCl together with oxygen in the air can attack gold, but it's extremely slow and only a problem over a long time. Gold is one of the most corrosion resistant metals and barely anything can attack it.
What would you recommend if you had a double eagle with nice orange toning and a high AU/low MS range of grade - aside from the ever smallest spot of that grey damage with very very slight pitting? That's kind of a tough one I would think
Here's a more detailed flame based plastics identification guide. Some details about PVC/Acrylic. It will not continue to burn after the flame is removed. It will not drip, it will be a blue flame with a yellow tip, and the smell after burning will be fruity. Also, if it is an PVC/ABS, it will have an acrid smell, yellow flame with blue edges, and it will produce black sooty smoke. modernplastics.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/how-to-identify-plastics.pdf Also, relative to other flexible plastics like vinyl, vinyl will have an acidic smell, it will have a yellow flame with green spurts, it will not drip, it will not stay lit after the flame is removed, and it chars and melts. Other flexible clear plastics include flourocarbons like FEP film. This will have a faint odor of burnt hair, it will deform but not want to combust, it will drip. Clear hard plastics like acrylic will want to keep burning after the flame is removed.
we should name those coin flip or album brands and stop buying from them. for so many years... i have been using it... they shouldnt have sell it in public to the coin collectors! one of these days we should sue them... damaging thousands if not hundred thousands of our coin or gold coins collection!!!!
I kept my package and I'm bringing it back to local store to get a credit and let them know and if they do not refund I will make a bad review. It is horrible I agree.
I don’t understand this video. It gets repetitive and kinda makes no sense to me. You should just say hey use this and this cause of this and be done. And not have several minutes of us looking at a strainer in the sink
Do coin capsules contain possible pvc ? You have the brands, the cheaper ones from Amazon/China and than the ones original on the coin like with most coins of The Perth Mint ??
It's possible but I really doubt it. PVC is designed to make plastic pliable. Hard plastic is rigid and brittle. I would say, the safer bet is coin capsules over coin flips any day. Most capsules are probably made in China anyways but it all comes down to the malleability of the plastic.
I let my metals run naked. No flips, capsules or tubes. Spanish conquistadors and pirates never needed them, so neither do I. 🍺
If you want to clean coins, I personally put tin foil in a pan, sprinkle baking soda on it, place the coin/bar, sprinkle a little more baking soda on top and cover it with boiling kettle water. You can see the changes almost instantly. Leave it for a bit, pull it out and wipe it off. Done it for years and not toxic and the shiny comes back....
Thanks, I'm going to try that.
Remember to not do this to anything collectable. It will ruin the value. I only clean things that aren't anything special or that I don't plan to sell.
Please do another video about proper storage options, for individual and bulk. Thanks for this helpful information.
Most definitely! I mention some of it at the end of this video but an entire video dedicated to the best storage options is ideal. Thank you!
I just bought twenty 1-oz rounds from a local shop.
Yep, all in pvc flips. Took them out as I was watching this. Also realized EVERYTHING was in a pvc ammo can. That got swapped out for a metal can.
Thanks much for the info.
Most places will do it because it's a cheap storage and transport options. I wish they will warn people but maybe they just assume folks know? I'm glad you shifted to better and safer storage options!
Great information on storage. Flip it around, no pun intended, but purchasing coins. This year I almost bought a coin that had green stuff on it, I thought pvc. You confirmed that, thanks for the great videos.
I’ve used SuperSafe 2X2 flips for many years. They are archival quality and they stick together so typically I don’t have to use staples. My junk silver is just kept in old Crown Royal bags and anything of real value goes in Airtight capsules.
Love those Crown Royal bags myself: most everything thing else are stored in airtites or slabbed.
I'll have to look into those! Thanks for sharing with us, it's really helpful! I use tubes for constitutional unless there is a fine example, then it goes into the Airtite like yours. 👊😎
Very informative! Thanks for passing this knowledge on.
My pleasure!
firstly i love your channel!!! secondly thanks for being honest and saying your experiment did not work out, its nice when people show they are human instead of faking it.
thridly which coins did you reholder like canada and south africa ??? and why ?
Thanks so much! I ended up keeping them in their current plastic holders simply because they didn't show signs of PVC damage and it was the original holder from the Mint. Will I change that in the future? Maybe but for now it is what it is. Thanks for watching!
Interesting testing by flame as an old HVAC
Refrigeration guy we used to use a test with a propane torch with a special tip and tube to capture any escaping gas you move the tube along areas and watch the flame if it detects similar types of chemicals in the refrigerant it turns to a bright green. I may dig out my unit and try it.(some old timers still use this method) most detectors went to electronics now. I do use the wash method on occasions too. Thanks for the video
It might work for this test! Thanks for watching!
Never use rubberbands to hold your 10 ounce silver bars together when they are in plastic sleeves. I folded them and used a rubberband on the outside to hold it together. Bad idea. I totally stained the bars. The rubberband went right through the plastic. It was a weird reaction.
Ohhhh that's interesting! Thank you for sharing with us, I wouldn't have suspected.
This information is very helpful. Thanks
. I’ll definitely save this as “Best of Any”.
Good I'm glad! Thanks for watching!
Yea I ordered a album for my coin collection and I kept it their for a little and when I came across this video I’m not gonna use that binder made from china says it pvc free but I don’t think so
Highly suspect. Unfortunately, most of this stuff is made in China
I'll stick with coin tubes and hard capsules. I would like a non-plastic storage solution tho.
I’ve reD that the real flexible flips ( not the sharper stiffer flops) are bad.
Been using flips for years, coins are in perfect condition, if you use decent flips there’s no problem
How does one avoid the ones containing PVC?
Where do you get the decent flips? How do you know if a dealer or individual is using decent flips or not?
EBay seller. Andy Jack
I'm new to this. What about a wooden box? Maybe lined w/some soft leather?
17:04 ouch, that’s disappointing. Do you think it was bc the flame wasn’t strong enough?
I got new leafs and on top of role was foam to keep coins from rattling and the top coin had a dark spot ..
Silver.
I use foam inserts in all my tubes and haven’t seen this happen! Was the foam on the top of the roll wet at all?
Not as permanent as you might think, an ultrasonic cleaner as well as a bath in lemon juice can do wonders. I’ve cleaned many coins with a little ultrasonic cleaner from harbor freight. Originally bought it to clean my wife’s wedding ring from time to time.
Thanks for sharing!
Campbell's Lavatory I mean Laboratory.
I was wondering what happened late in the video when the music stopped.
Me personally I use Tarn X it works wonders.
😂😂😂 yeah I f'ed up and my editing software didn't combine the clips well. I changed it early in yesterday morning in CZcams but they said it would take a few hours before the changes take effect. Hopefully that minimized the crappiness. Tarn X works as does E-zest. Unsure of tarn X but e-zest starts to damage coins after prolonged exposure and especially if it's not rinsed off completely. Acetone is cheaper and does slightly less damage (I think). Might have to do an experiment in Campbell's Lavatory, sacrifice a few coins to see what happens. Hope you're doing well bud.
@@CampbellsCoins I'm doing well.
Hope all is well with you 🙏
@@bullionaddict9164 Good to hear!
Great vid. Thx. Just use tarnish proof plastic baggies. They make them for long term storage of real silverware. There is a coating on them that anything in the air first attacks the coating not the contents. Good for silver, copper, etc. Prob solved.
Wow! I had no idea.
Yeah! Got to be careful!
Can you test the Germania mint kilo bars wrap contain pvc
Do you know if gold pandas sealed from the mint are contained in a pvc plastic?
Given that it comes from China, probably. But I don't know for sure.
Yeah not a fan of the flips at all for the reasons you outline in this video. As somewhat of an aside, I used the baking soda, aluminum and hot water gig to clean a collectible set of coins that had toned badly. The toning came off fairly quickly, but I noticed the toning returned very quickly. Not sure if I failed to dry them off adequately or whether once toned, always toned came into play and my futile efforts to remove it were in vain.
I never thought to use acetone to get some of the grime or residue of the coins. I guess if I had any left I could try it! 🤓
I missed so many comments on this video. My apologies Vert. Have you tried EZ-est? I found that works the best for toning without any scrubbing needed, less than five seconds dipped and its gone. But make sure to rinse well under running water. Acetone seems to help more with dirt. I need to do more tests for the community. Thanks bro.
@@CampbellsCoins nah I haven't used anything else.
@@VerticalStacker It's effective stuff.
Díky!
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Great Infix. Thanks.
Good research. What do you make of the soft APMEX bags? Basically a ziploc or thicker sandwich bag.
Since your flame test didn’t work out ...
So PVC and not suitable for storage?
I'm really late to answering this question, my apologies. I'm not getting my notifications. Based on the softness and maneuverability of the plastic, I would say those Apmex bags have some PVC. Not as much as some flips but PVC helps tame plastic's rigidity. I put basic coins like Constitutional in those hard plastic tubes and/or Airtite capsules. I only use those ziplock bags for pennies I haven't sorted yet. I like to keep things safe if things are unknown.
Very interesting. How about silver bar stored in soft plastic. When I buy my silver bars the dealer normally placed them in sealed soft plastic covers. Sometime the bars are stored in soft plastic that connects all the bars together.
What about coin tubes from mint
It's not the same type of plastic. These should be fine.
Good to know. Thanks 🙏
Most definitely! Thanks for watching!
Can Nail polish remover with 100%Acetone melt plastic with PVC, I ask cuz I poured acetone in a plastic container and it melt and in another container from a different brand and it was ok. I was making a coin holder out of foam needed to know what plastic to use thanks
Those chemicals in plastic are not a good idea.
The cardboard flips seem generally safe for most coins. I've had coins in them for 30 years with no problems (silver, copper, clads) as long as they're not out in the sun or an extreme environment. For rare or valuable coins I would use the hard plastic snaplock or capitol holders. I like using the Air-Tite holders for silver eagles to prevent toning.
I would agree with you on the newish cardboard flips. I believe you, I would just feel more secure if they were in a newer flip. I like your strategy with the Air-Time product. Great job.
I bought some mylar cardboard coin holders from a good coin dealer but they are a strange brand not lighthouse and are made in china are these still safe could the plastic contain acid? any advice would be much appreciated
I damaged some commen Buffalo nickels with a zip block bag never going to do that again.
Yeah it's not ideal storage, especially if it's stored in a hot humid location. Hopefully they weren't too valuable.
I never liked those flips. I like keeping my silver in tubes and gold in capsules. I wonder if tubes are good enough in the long run...
Hey you know anything I could put my coins in for now would a ziplock bag work?
Do the solid coin holders contain pvc? I ordered a set of individual solid coin holders off Amazon. They look similar to what I’ve seen a lot of your coins hold in.
If you're talking about the hard plastic Airtite holders, no those don't contain PVC.
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QUESTION: Can acetone be used on gold without damage?
Great question. I haven't had the balls to try it out myself. I also don't have any gold coins that require dipping. If you're talking about a numismatic coin, I wouldn't do it. If it's a bullion coin, I wouldn't fear acetone as much but care is needed.
@@CampbellsCoins
Thanks. Yeah, I don't plan on trying it, not yet anyway, lol.
Yes, acetone or rubbing alcohol can be used to clean gold and any other metal, it won't do anything. The reason PVC can cause damage is because it contains chlorine groups. When exposed to light it slowly decomposes, releasing HCl (hydrochloric acid). HCl together with oxygen in the air can attack gold, but it's extremely slow and only a problem over a long time. Gold is one of the most corrosion resistant metals and barely anything can attack it.
What would you recommend if you had a double eagle with nice orange toning and a high AU/low MS range of grade - aside from the ever smallest spot of that grey damage with very very slight pitting? That's kind of a tough one I would think
A hard plastic case. It would be the safest option aside from having it graded.
How about capsules? Do they damage coins too?
Hard plastic cases should be more than okay. It's the flimsy plastic to look out for.
Basically if I can smell a smell from the plastic I cut my silver out of it and put it into an airtight
That's a great rule of thumb!
Does acetone degrade the value of the coin? I.e., do you know if NGC would classify it as 'cleaned'?
Yes and yes.
Here's a more detailed flame based plastics identification guide. Some details about PVC/Acrylic. It will not continue to burn after the flame is removed. It will not drip, it will be a blue flame with a yellow tip, and the smell after burning will be fruity. Also, if it is an PVC/ABS, it will have an acrid smell, yellow flame with blue edges, and it will produce black sooty smoke. modernplastics.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/how-to-identify-plastics.pdf
Also, relative to other flexible plastics like vinyl, vinyl will have an acidic smell, it will have a yellow flame with green spurts, it will not drip, it will not stay lit after the flame is removed, and it chars and melts.
Other flexible clear plastics include flourocarbons like FEP film. This will have a faint odor of burnt hair, it will deform but not want to combust, it will drip.
Clear hard plastics like acrylic will want to keep burning after the flame is removed.
Great info - hopefully you saved a coin or two.
Fingers crossed! Thanks man 👊👊👊
Do you have brand that we can get that don’t have pvs?
What if you vacuum seal it in another bag, I just did it with a 1 oz gold philhamonics?
First I have herd of this. Cool
Yeah definitely something to look out for! Thanks for stopping by!
we should name those coin flip or album brands and stop buying from them. for so many years... i have been using it... they shouldnt have sell it in public to the coin collectors! one of these days we should sue them... damaging thousands if not hundred thousands of our coin or gold coins collection!!!!
I kept my package and I'm bringing it back to local store to get a credit and let them know and if they do not refund I will make a bad review. It is horrible I agree.
I don’t understand this video. It gets repetitive and kinda makes no sense to me. You should just say hey use this and this cause of this and be done. And not have several minutes of us looking at a strainer in the sink
Do coin capsules contain possible pvc ? You have the brands, the cheaper ones from Amazon/China and than the ones original on the coin like with most coins of The Perth Mint ??
It's possible but I really doubt it. PVC is designed to make plastic pliable. Hard plastic is rigid and brittle. I would say, the safer bet is coin capsules over coin flips any day. Most capsules are probably made in China anyways but it all comes down to the malleability of the plastic.
@@CampbellsCoins So China is both attacking our Fiat currency and our real money. Interesting.
@@CampbellsCoins PVC can be in hard plastic as well FYI - see: PVC Pipe
Are you serious that those flips will affect gold coins store in it? Where should the gold coins be stored then?
I buried mines under a lake.
Al my Coins are in Capsules.
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Thanks for watching!