Ep. 023 - 6.5 PRC
Vložit
- čas přidán 15. 06. 2022
- On this episode, Seth and Neil are joined by Joe Thielen and Jayden Quinlan from our engineering and ballistics department. The topic is all things 6.5 PRC. We start with the history, dating all the way back to 2012, with some additional input from George Gardner of GA Precision. We cover the initial design and release of the cartridge and talk in-depth about the match and hunting applications. The 6.5 PRC is one of the most balanced hunting/long-range target rounds ever designed. If you are interested in the 6.5 PRC, then this episode is for you.
- Zábava
Would be awesome if Hornady would raise the production numbers on the 6.5 PRC.....
One could even argue.... that the 6.5 PRC is a "reinvention of the wheel" or the older 6.5 Remington Magnum.
Short action, fat case, no belt, proper throating with a fast twist barrel, long throat to accommodate the longer 6.5 bullets..... all at similar velocities.
It's almost like everything that was "broke" with the 6.5 Remington Magnum, was fixed with the 6.5 PRC!
My 6.5 Remingtons ALL shoot well.... I look forward to checking out the 6.5 PRC someday!
Love my 6.5 PRC just with you made more ammo available to buy! It is always out of stock. This is so easy to get out 500 yards with your ELD.
I have two 6.5 CM, one in AR10 the other is a bolt. My next two long gun purchases will be the 6.5 PRC and the 300 PRC. Thanks for creating those cartridges!
I certainly hope the 6.5 prc production increases exponentially because deer season starts in a matter of a couple months and the ammo is hard to find and when I do find it it crazy expensive. Looking forward to trying the 6.5 prc on deer for the first time this year.
Let’s make more PRC ammo…
I had Gap build a do-all 6.5 PRC for me and chose it over 4s for factory ammo options. It is a great rifle. About the time it arrived, the ammo dried up…I should have bought a .308 or enough reloading components for a barrel life. I hope you can catch up on ammo soon. I really want to love this rifle and cartridge.
Would love to see more 6.5 prc being pushed through production. Almost impossible to find ammo.
Second this.
Are you looking at Academy sports on line?
Same here
@@nickbaker5594 I saw it on the shelf yesterday with boxes of 300 PRC.
I was actually able to find some on a shelf locally in local small town sporting goods store, as well as a cabelas near me. Its looking up!
Bought my 1st long distance gun to shoot steel in 6.5 PRC w/ 200 rounds today. Can't wait til it all arrives.
I m a welder. Also did factory manufacturing. Actually worked for an ammo company
Would like to see more of the factory!!
Just about everything is back on the shelves, but finding 6.5 PRC ammo is still damn near impossible. It's one of the most popular calibers for new gun sales - how is Hornady (and others) somehow not getting that message and ramping up production? The supply/demand still seems way out of wack for PRC.
Primers are classified as an explosive now, so it puts one more road block in the supply chain. It’s obviously designed for gun control.
Inherent accuracy is rare in a big game class. The cartridge is remarkable. Home run. I've never seen a cartridge like such a wide variety of burn rates even getting to 8133.
I Have 4 In 6.5 PRC’s In 26 Inch Barrels. Everything From Coyotes Hogs Whitetail Mule Deer & Elk Recently. This Is My Long Real Estate Precision 1200 & Some Change. My Go To Bolt Rifle All Day & Night Long. Great Information Coverage 👍🤛🇺🇸
Shot my PRC for the first time today. Shot all factory
130 Barnes TSX
142 ABLR
143 ELDX
147 ELDM
156 EOL
All shot MOA or better. Very impressed. 156 EOL’s and 143 ELDX’s shot the best. Both shooting under 3/4” 5 shot groups. I honestly couldn’t believe it, very rare to find that from such a wide range of factory ammo, in a factory rifle.
Sad, the eye of man is never satisfied... now I want one....
Your doing great Seth
I had a 6.5 creedmoor but sold it and now have a 6.5 PRC that I haven't shot yet. I didn't have a problem with the Creedmoor, I just wanted the extra power for hunting and now that the PRC ammo is on my local store shelves, it pushed me to buy one.
i have both also. i want to get rid of my CM but have a bunch of precision hunter ammo for it and i also feel like i’d regret selling it. i might just make my gf hunt with the CM. but i love the 6.5 PRC. plenty of power for what and where i hunt.
@Darian Gerardo If it matters any, I ended up with another 6.5 creedmoor. LOL
Bought a Bergara 6.5 PRC 2 years ago . I finally found ammo last month I grabbed all 6 boxes . Now I need time to shoot it . More ammo production please …!!!
Thanks for the information on the 6.5PRC. This is my introduction to it.
My all time favorite cartridge
My 6.5 PRC really took a shine to your 130 gr CX bullet in my handloads . Purchased some 143gr ELD X Precision Hunter from the same lot to obtain brass. That factory ammunition shot extremely tight groups Excellent ammunition
Yes sir..been loadin and buyin factory since February for my waypoint…just got done with 50 135 a tips over n560…hard to measure when there in same hole…shot a .19” 3rd@100 then tried to duplicate it and pulled 1st one then put next 2 so perfect i barley could tell it went through same hole…130tmk@3250 are wicked..but yes the 143x was very consistent through my crono
The Winchester Model 70 WSM magazines accommodate this cartridge length Perfectly.
Great pod
Tell us about that 7 PRC 😉!
Thanks for the video!
You're welcome!
Love my prc waypoint…
It blows my mind how many 6.5 prc rifles are in the shelf no wonder I can’t find brass for it
Awesome, a podcast about imaginary Hornady ammo!!!
😂 too true
I have seen a couple of cases in Academy Sports in the last month. I think I'll find the pot of gold under the rainbow before I find brass cases, primers, or powder!
Great information. Very interesting! I don’t understand the statement about the downside of faster twist rates when he mentioned “dispersion”? Someone please explain
Getting ready to purchase my 2nd 6.5PRC . thank god I'm a reloader. Cause in the past 2 years I have only seen 2 boxes of 147gr ELD-M on the shelves.
Me too, but until recently have seen not one box. Now i can find it local as well as my cabelas near me
Love mine but getting a box of their ammo in Idaho have found some in Oregon but only 2 boxes my long list of friends have sold me some brass but that's it been thinking about swapping the barrel out to 300 wsm just to shoot more.
With Respect, It's funny watching You youngsters so happy rediscovering the Swedish mauser = 6.5x 55..
What powders are used in the factory 143 ELD-X and 147 ELD-M ammo? I found some 147 bullets to reload but no 143's. I was able to buy a couple boxes of the 143's and 147's a year ago, but 6.5 PRC must be so popular that it doesn't even make it off the dock to the shelves...sigh
I can’t wait to hit the field with my 6.5 prc model 70
I have a 6.5 Creedmoor, about to buy a 6.5 PRC and saving money for a 7 PRC.
Just wish it was more available
Perfect example of shortening barrel life. If you MOSTLY hunt with it, no problem.
I like what Hornady was trying accomplish with the 6.5 PRC. However, back in 2017 you have a video of George Gardner on your channel stating that the 6.5 PRC is the best option to run high BC bullets in a short action. I feel that Hornady rushed this cartridge to market without looking at the possibility of future bullets such as the 156gr Bergers or Hornady's own 153gr A-tip. These heavy bullets need to be seated deep in the 6.5 PRC case to be magazine fed in a short action. I would like to see Hornady adopt some of the 6.5 Sherman Short cartridges. These cartridges are much more well suited for a short action. I seen load data on 6.5 SST that gets at 156gr Berger to 3020fps and the 147gr ELD-M to 3100fps. While the Sherman cartridges have no SAAMI standard, I think they could be made to SAAMI standards and run around 60-65ksi. Hornady should definitely consider looking at these cartridges.
My new Browning s bolt Pro will not shoot the 130g CX. I consistently get 3"+ groups. The 143g ELD-X I get sub 0.5" groups. I love that ELDX!
I would really like to see yall flood the market with the 6.5 Creedmoor ammo because I can't find ammo for my rifle or can I buy from yall ??? And it would be nice to hear back from someone from your office about this and looking for hunting ammo at is very accurate.....
Merci
A fast twist increases bullet dispersion, im pretty sure that Bryan litz and applied ballistics has proven that incorrect.
I have two 6.5 PRC rifles. One for the range and local hunting, the other for my special hunts. Ireally liked the idea of magnum performance in a short action. I have read that some gun powders actually require magnum primers. Is that true and if so which ones? What is the truth about an 7mm PRC coming out? I didn't want to buy another rifle but I would have to have that!
869 powder likes magnum primers..back off a gr..
I was interested in the 6.5PRC, but decided a 7mm PRC was more suitable for my hunting
Have y'all fixed your chambers yet at the 200 line?
I really love my 6.5 Creedmoor and I would like to know what is so definite in the 6.5 PRC ???
200-260fps faster with the same bullets, meaning flatter trajectory, less wind drift, still fits inside a short action. Recoil is astonishingly-low with it too. I expected it to punch more, but it's a pussycat in the shoulder, and I've only shot it from a Carbon Fiber rifle so far.
What barrel length would you recommend for a mountain hunting rifle
Yall need to make more boolats and a wider choice of bullets for the PRC like when yall gone do a SST GMX or Cx
I want some Cx! I loaded some 129 interlocks in my cases and it was a beautiful thing!
I’m very much on the fence between a 7mm-08 and the 6.5 PRC.
So with the evolution of the 6.5 prc, and with the 7 mil PRC coming out. How will that affect the people who is having trouble finding 6.5PRC ammo? Would the design of the 7mil PRC overshadow the 6.5PRC, would that make the 6.5PRC obsolete even though the 6.5PRC is still relatively new on the market and people are still hesitant on getting a rifle chambered in 6.5PRC. I know I would love a 6.5PRC but hesitant on investing in the caliber not knowing if that caliber will stay around. Is more ammo manufacturing companies going to start making 6.5PRC rounds to buy?
Hello sir, thank you for wonderful conversation I am lessening, but all PRC ammo is very expensive retial is selling?
Would love to see more consistency in hornady bullets. My box of 143 eldx was +-2 grain spread and ogive was all over the place.
I had same problem w the match. Thread the barrel and get an EC Tuner brake. You’ll bring those in to sub moa. Look them up on line and here on CZcams
@@bobmcmillen4502 I just shoot Berger
I would build an ELDx that won't come apart at the velocities the PRC shoots. Maybe bonded or 155gr maybe?
There already here. Nosler ABLR’s. Shoot lights out in all of my guns.
@@bobmcmillen4502 My slow 1:9 twist shoots Speer Gold Dots BC of .571 bonded VLD style with great weight retention at 3000 fps impacts.
Any plans on 277 prc or 277 creedmoor cartridges
🤠 Ronbo (Montana Mountain Man) - I want to Congratulate Horneday on the choice to make the 6.5 prc, 6.5 Creedmore, and 6 Creedmore! And also to remind you of WHY these cartridges are so successful, as to INFLUENCE YOU on Any Future Cartridge Development as to WHY that is so! If you look at the Best Selling/Most Popular Cartridges in the Following Calibers, You Will See a Pattern: 30 caliber - 308 Winchester; 7mm caliber - 7mm-08 Remington; 270 caliber - 270 Winchester; 6.5 caliber - 6.5 Creedmore; 6mm caliber - 243 Winchester (mabey the 6 Creedmore, some day?); and the 223 Remington! What do ALL THESE CARTRIDGES HAVE IN COMMON? They are ALL MILD RECOILING CARTRIDGES! Why? Because the VAST MAJORITY OF HUNTERS AND SHOOTERS DON'T WANT to hunt/shoot/or need self defense with A BIG MAGNUM, unless it is absolutely necessary! For most of us, especially if we hunt in the lower 48 states, it isn't necessary! So, if you WANT TO MAKE THE MOST MONEY AND DOMINATE THE MARKET, keep your FOCUS ON THE MORE PLEASANT SHOOTING CALIBERS! Most of us will never be going to Alaska or Africa to hunt dangerous game anyway! Besides, my Grandfather killed Grizzlies (and Record Book Bison, Moose, Elk, Sheep, Mount Goats, etc...) all with his 270 Winchester! That would include more than 500 elk while working on the firing lines near Yellowstone Park culling elk herds (Including Alot of Very Big Bull Elk)! So, nothing more is needed for lower 48 game animals! Certainly not those "Big Magnum Cartridges", even though I've owned a few (I found it out from 45 years of hunting experience and from my Grandfathers before me)! They are not worth your time, effort, and money! Nope! Let's keep the cartridges "practical" and the prices "reasonable"! 😁
Spot on!!!
😁 Thank You! I Hope Horneday is Listening? 👂
Any news on a 7mmPRC?
Almost as good as a .264 Winchester Magnum!
I need one to go with my 338 RCM.
You guys ever going to make ammo for the 6.8 western would love to see some outfitter or superformance cx ammo line for it?
I heard not. Competing too much w the 7prc
@Bob McMillen yea that's my guess they are extremely close in performance so why make ammo for the competition. Glad my 6.8 is doing well with 162 copper impact .25 inch groups at 100
@@OutdoorBoys.308 I got some 165 gr Nosler ABLR’s to shoot sub moa in my 270 win at 2890fps with 1:10 twist. The ballistics on the really makes me think about the 6.8. But the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. The 6.8 is a lot closer to the 7prc than Hornady would like to admit.
@Bob McMillen my hells canyon lr don't like the 165 accubonds 3" groups have not tried the 170s. It also likes the browning 175gr.
@@OutdoorBoys.308 did you do seating depth trials @ .003 increments?
Bergara b14 in 6.5 prc currently in the safe lol wooo!
When yall coming back with thr interbond line
Talk about 8.6 blackout please
What is the recommended barrel length where velocity doesn't suffer?
What are you going to use it for?
I wanna see a 6PRC
I love my 6.5 PRC I took it out to a competition/ class and using factory Hornady ammo I was hitting milk jug targets at 1500 yards and a mile. Too bad that ammo is almost $6 a round now
🤠 Ronbo (Montana Mountain Man) - Luckily, I hunt with a 270 Winchester, so I don't have that problem! 🤭 I paid $27.99 per box for Horneday Superformance Ammunition last fall in 130 grain GMX, 130 grain SST, and 140 grain SST factory Ammunition! 🤑 In Factory Ammunition, the 270 Winchester actually shoots flatter than anything currently available out their for the 6.5 prc and at a much lower cost! 😜 If I reload with Magpro or Reloader 16 (not just using Superformance Factory loads), I can also get well over 3,200 ft/s with both 130 grain loads using a 130 Nosler Ballistics Tip! If I step down to a 110 grain Nosler Accubond or Barnes ttsx and use Norma 204 powder, the 270 Win is capable of pushing those bullets over 3,500 ft/s! If I step up to a 150 grain and use around 60 grains of Reloader 26, I can get well over 3,000 ft/s with it (I use the 150 grain Nosler ABLR and 150 grain Swift A-Frame for elk)! However, I share your concerns with both the cost and availability of the Ammunition for the 6.5 prc! I haven't been able to find primers in the last several years, so I am forced to buy Factory Ammunition until I do! 😡 On a recent road trip around my state, 1 month ago, I went to over 100 gun stores and saw NO 6.5 prc Ammunition on the shelf! 🤯 Those that have found it have, just like you, remarked on it's extremely high cost! ☹ It doesn't help Hornaday to promote the cartridge and then not keep it available at a reasonable price! 🤪 So, Horneday, why are you doing this? 🧐 Your consumers want to know (and you are not doing this cartridge any favors, if you want it to succeed)? 🕵️♂️ Well, what is the problem? 🤷♂️
@@ronlowney4700 try shooting that standard 270 past 600 yards on targets with the shitty bullets for the long range game for your 270! 6.5 prc will smoke that 270! If it wasn’t for Jack O’Connor that caliber wouldn’t be half as popular as the 30/06! Your just another FUDD!!! lol 😂
😏 Hummm..you must be buying your bullets from the wrong manufacturers!🤭 All those trophies on my wall never knew what hit them! 😂 Maybe, in your case, it's the shooter and not the "accessories" - because I am not having that problem? 🤣
😃 I don't worry about using bullets with high B.C.'s, but proven high A.D.'s (Actually Death's) of Trophy Animals! 🦌 I have never seen one target killed from a bullet yet! 🤣
@@ronlowney4700 6.5 PRC will overrun the .270 Win within about 100yds. I was raised on .270 and have a special place for it, but short action 6.5 PRC out-classes it.
I'm searching for a very long and heavy projectile 338 Lapua Magnum. Something for extreme long shooting only. (NO HUNTING). WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND???
Look no further than the 300 grain A-tip® as a fantastic option for what you are looking to do. The product number is 33389. Thanks!
Go to a PRC forum.
You needed the 130CX because the 127LRX is the tits!
We want a 7mm 190-195gr ELD-X
Looks like everyone is having trouble finding ammo so might just go with the creedmoor
6.5 prc is cool, but how about the 20 practical?
Hard to find 6.5 PRC ammo that's why I have a 6.5 Creedmoore
What about a 22 PRC with a magnum bolt face??? Maybe in the future???
Hey I developed A 50 BMG bullet that needs a BC calculator of at least 1.4. Why do you only go to 1.2. This bullet starts out at 2750 FT/ sec and at 1000 yds it is still going 2700 FT/sec.?????": I need help thank you.
I want one
Is the 147 eldm the heaviest bullet you will make for 6.5?
No they make 153 grain Atips, I shoot 156 grain Bergers what an awesom bullet.
Try AccubondLR in 150 grain.
PRS Shooters are shifting back to 6.5s.
I’m waiting on the 6 PRC.
You will have to wildcat that one if you want it off of the 6.5 PRC. Thanks for the comment.
Is the 6.5 PRC A barrel burner?
Or
Is that just hype?
If you push it to its working pressure, it will torch the throat. If you keep it 55,000psi or less and let case volume with slow-burning powder work for you, you can keep throat life longer. George Gardner proved this with 6.5 GAP4S.
I have a 6.5 PRC Browning X-Bolt Pro with a 23" barrel (muzzle to receiver W/O brake). with its pencil thin fluted stainless steel barrel it will give 3/4" to 1/2" groups at 100 yards FOR THE 1st THREE SHOTS. Then the skin barrel heats up and groups open up to 1" and 1.25". Still that's not bad and if I can't get my game with 3 shots I need to find another hobby.
My competition rifle shoots 6.5 CM even better with its much heavier barrel.
We don’t come out with a cartridge, just to come out with a cartridge. Hehehaha, yes you do!
I know I probably missed it but what’s the difference in the X vs the M…I know one’s for huntin and one for match but what’s the actual differences…
The ELD-X is for hunting and is made to mushroom nicely FOR SURE while the ELD-M is for target but WILL open enough on light skinned animals like antelope and deer to drop them.
@@ericb.4358 🫡..I’ve drilled some 168gmm I’m gonna try and have 130rdf and 140vld in 6.5prc loaded to max speeds I’m gonna open up n see what they do to jugs as my 130tmk’s runnin 3250fps expand best and lay a whalop on em at 200yrds. But so does my 110gr .308 v max out 24” fn spr runnin 3500…those and varmageddon both you ought to see impact at 100yrds on jugs in slo mo..I had 2 roof bolts staked with steel tie wire holdin milk jug and it liked to knocked stakes down from exploding and the water leavin was incredible….5” groups with rounds that fast..
They had to of looked at the 6.5-284 and though that's just about right for what we need. The 6.5-284 is essentially the exact same thing.
S. a. vs. L.A.
Great round
Are those based off the .375?
In general, costs and availability are the reasons that I haven't bought a gun, primers, bullets, brass..... since 2020.
Whenever that all changes for the better, one of my first purchases will be a 6.5 PRC. Another recent "newbie" cartridges will be a 360 Buckhammer rifle (s) and cartridge.
This 6.5 PRC is really the only 6.5 cartridge that really caught my attention of late. The Creedmore never did because it was just a reinvention of the wheel.... the 260 Remington.
Now, what's wrong with pushing the 7mm PRC's shoulder back about about a 1/4", leaving a slightly longer neck, and sizing it down to 6.5mm?
It would be a more modern 264 Winchester magnum, in a long action.
It would have the "magic chamber throating" of your PRC cartridges, quick twist rifling, the longer neck to make it adaptable to ALL bullet lengths... but with the larger capacity for (maybe) higher velocity than the 6.5 PRC.
Just get a 264 mag. I’ve been using one since the 1990’s.
Wish there was ATip at 144gr as 153gr never catches up at 1200 yards and out!
Boy I’ve got the 135s dialed…same hole 3050fps
Still cannot buy 6.5 PRC brass that Made by you what’s the deal don’t seem To remember The reloaders
Plus by new many have seen the 6.5 cm run out of gas on animals. The 6.5 prc is a modern 270 win. Lol.
Make more ammo!
Why all these new cartridges when you can’t get ammo???
Makes the old standbys look more attractive than ever 😀👍👍
Why doesn't hornady build rifles too? With the brains to design and build the whole creedmoor, PRC line and the chambers to go with them, why not go all the way?
So they got workers back?
Not just working from home?
Wish Hornady made this ammunition still!
I hardly see this ammunition
We have never shut down. We made more produced more and expanded our production area in the past two years. Sorry you haven't been able to find any but it's not due to lack of production.
@@hornady than where is this ammunition at?
I’d really like to know!
Sounds like a bunch of bs to me!
I have seen it in 6.5 Creedmoor but rarely in 6.5 PRC.
Local gun store here in Hawaii just got a shipment in grabbed 2 cases so it’s starting to become available been waiting about 2 years
@@nathanielpinkham5560 People buy it as soon as they see it.
what about the 6mm PRC........
Man, I hear dem prcs got magic powder. GOOD SHOOTIN.
6 mm arc ?
🤔 Since I shoot a 270 Winchester in your 130 grain CX, which replaced your 130 grain GMX, WHY does it have a "Significantly Lower Ballistics Coefficient" - when all you did was add the heat shield tip to it? 🤷♂️
Is it not a more aerodynamic bullet? It doesn't have a higher BC?
🤷♂️ It is supposed to be the same exact copper bullet with a different tip, I believe (because they can mold that copper bullet into anything that they want)! So, Why would your "Upgrade" be a Significant "Downgrade" in it's aerodynamic abilities? 🤪 It makes no sense, unless their GMX was initially overrated in it's aerodynamic abilities? But, I want to here the Truth from them! 🤔
The 130 grain GMX bullet has a B.C. of 0.460 and the 130 grain CX bullet has a B.C. of 0.403! If the only thing that changed was the heat shield tip, the B.C. should not go down! What is up with this? 🤷♂️
@@ronlowney4700 the GMX BC was derived using an older method. With the CX, the BC is found with doppler derived data and more accurate. If we were to use the new method on the old GMX, the BC would be lower. The relief grooves on the new CX and the new tip absolutely give it a better BC.
Very Good! 👍Thanks! 😁
If you're worried about shooting a 130 at an elk, go with a bigger cartridge with a heavier bullet. Plain and simple. No different metal is going to put your mind at ease if you don't like the bullet weight
Brother what I’ve seen outta my 130tmk@3250 inside 500 ain’t an elk alive run off from that much power….you ought to see jugs get shredded at 200…fun as hell…I’ve got 6 different bullets and 7 different powders all 1” loads and shot a .19”er this weekend..24” carbon waypoint..n560 for 135s….h1000..magpro…retumbo 140s…haven’t found 153s or 57eol’s yet..
@charlesmullins3238 I know that those bullet weights will put an elk down no problem. It's not about the bullet weight, it's about placement. Put a 200 grain bullet in the wrong spot, and that elk will run a lot further than a 130 put in the right spot
@@chadillac95 well yea…I’d be fine with these 129gr interlocks when you crank the heat up on em..but shot placement is #1
I've been looking for 6.5 PRC ammo for a year and a half. Anyone want to hazard how many rounds I've managed to find?
The answer: 0
Your looking in the wrong places.. i bought my first one last summer. I am currently sitting on 19 boxes of Precision Hunters and 4 boxes of Nosler BT ..It was not cheap but i found it.
@@leroydaniels5793 Where would you suggest looking then?
I payed $53 dollar a box off 20 that’s crazy expensive
Bought a 6.5 PRC, can't find brass or ammo. Sorry I bought it.
Sheel’s has brass in stock.
Why not a 150-159gr bullet?
Why just a 143gr bullet?
Please reconsider making a change to a higher weight for next bullet
I have a PRC 6.5 brass nowhere
Sheel’s has Hornady and ADG in stock.
@@terryslaton5582 thank you