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Ep. 008 - 300 PRC - A True Heavy Hitter
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- čas přidán 2. 03. 2022
- On this episode, Seth is joined by Joe, Jayden, and Neil and the topic of this deep dive is the 300 PRC. These folks had an early hand in the development and use of this heavy hitting cartridge. They discuss how and why it was designed, along with its military application, its hunting application, and the fun factor of this cartridge which is meant to efficiently launch heavy bullets. We know there’s a lot of 30 caliber cartridges on the market, but we think the 300 PRC is the ultimate tool for long range performance.
Fun learning about the 300 PRC. I've shot one and it's a powerhouse. I personally hunt with a 300 Weatherby, and it certainly can shoot bigger bullets than 180 gr. I haven't tested it, but according to Berger my 1in10 twist rifle can shoot up to 230 gr bullets at my elevation(5000 feet). My load for hunting is a 200 gr Accubond at 3100 FPS. Will you please make a high b.c. bonded bullet? I think a lot of hunters would love that. As you know Nosler is really slow at putting out bullets for reloaders.... It would be nice to have Hornady making a high b.c. bonded bullet.
It'd sure be nice to see the 300prc ammo back at a decent price and actually on the shelf
That’s precisely why I’m leaning towards what they said about customizing 300 win mag, because the prc is expensive and hard to find.
@@WesternReloader Past month I've actually been finding the Hornaday precision hunter pretty regularly on different websites and at a couple stores. The price did go back down from $80 a box to $60. But pre covid it was $45. It'd be nice to see it drop at least another $10
Yes, $2.00 a piece is kinda my limit on cartridges. Leaning towards a 300win mag
Once I started shooting stuff like 300 win mag and 300 PRC I finally started handloading. It’s nice to be able to stock up on the components (when I can find them) and then just make something whenever I need it. Of course, it wasn’t cheap to get started but in the end definitely worth it.
Well it's a precision cartridge so I would imagine most people would prefer to reload for the 300 PRC
Thank you Hornady for your continued research , development and round the clock production to get great products on the shelves.
Thank you Hornady. Definitely helping all of us out a lot! Never quit please.
300PRC is amazingly fun to shoot at long range. I love this round.
how is the recoil?
30-06 has more felt recoil. And, if you're shooting it suppressed you'll really be impressed.
Wonderful bullet , great conversation , may God bless you all group.
Thank you
As a former USMC JTAC, who has actually dropped many bombs, I can say shooting my 300 PRC isn't quite as satisfying as calling in CAS. However, it is incredibly satisfying to shoot, incredibly accurate (it's a Bergara rifle), and also my new favorite big-ish gun to shoot. Very well done on this cartridge guys.
That was a fun podcast to watch and has me thinking that I really need to start my rifle build so I can put the 200rds of empty 300prc brass I already have into a rifle. Yes I bought the brass before a gun because I know it's harder to get. And as a hand loader I'm looking forward to getting away from the belting of the 300winmag.
I did that with 308. I don't own one but seeing NATO brass at 0.65/rd is something I can't pass up. I got Igman for 50 cents so I bought a ox of 20. Looking back I should've bought 20 boxes
The 300 win mag is constrained by light bullets unless you go fully custom.
I did the same. I got a few hundred rounds of 300PRC brass and a assortment of 30 cal bullets. About the time I was going to buy a 300PRC Ruger Precision Rifle the price went up overnight about $300.00. Primers and powder quit shipping and here I am a few years later. I did get a 6.5PRC and some ammo tho.
@@ChilangoDios333 Yep and the 300PRC has none of those constraints. Yes you can make a 300 win mag about equal but its gonna cost you. Every 300PRC has it off the shelf because of design.
If the 300 prc takes off like i think it will that is going to be next years rifle calibre for me,and long range target shooting providing ammunition and brass and reloading supplies is available.
Very interesting story and informative. Thank you for your time and effort posting this information.
Our pleasure!
The 8x68 is like GOLD... Then the .300 PRC, and the 6.5 PRC must be PLATINUM... LOL.. I have never in my life seen Hornady 6.5 PRC brass in the wild. I have seen the factory loaded Hunter and Match ammo, but never any raw building materials, like the 6.5 PRC brass... Good thing I purchased 480 to 500 rounds back when the 6.5 PRC first came out like 13 years or so ago... I am fully equipped to reload my spent hornady brass. but, I would really enjoy being able to just buy a few boxes of new brass... I even have orders in with Lapua, Peterson's, ADG, and have to wait for Hornady brass to just randomly show up to the shelves... That is okay, I have waited 3 years, what is another 8 years waiting on PRC brass... LOL.. Just kidding Hornady, I realize, ya'll are under a massive work load and are doing all you can to fulfill orders. Just know, you have loyal customers out there, but, It is getting pretty hard to be loyal, when there is nothing to be loyal to, I kindly say. Thank you for a great performing and reliable product..
I got all my 300 prc brass from the factory ammo I shot. I have been saving it for awhile thinking I would get into reloading. but don’t reload for it and not sure if I’m ever going to. Want the brass?
@@yoepix Oh Thank you so much. But I am in the market for 6.5 PRC.. I was just mentioning both the 300 & the 6.5 PRC series as being the only two in my area that I NEVER see on the shelves.. I greatly appreciate the thought, I really do. If you had 6.5 PRC brass, then that would be a whole other story..lol.. Again, Thank you so much for the offer.
Awesome!
300 Weatherby 200 gr factory load is 3,000 fps mv. 180 gr over 3200 and 165 gr at over 3300. A store online is selling new 300 Weatherby 165 gr ammo for $45 a box. Usual price about $70.
When is a modern 7mm cartridge coming? 7 PRC or 7 Creedmoor?
Now. 7mm PRC has been confirmed.
Why no talk of 300 RUM? What are your thoughts
My 300 Norma gets an ES of only a few fps with factory 230 Berger ammo no matter the position. With handloads with N570 the case fill is close to 100% and with most bullets only like 5-8 grains more than the prc with an extra 100 fps. The 300 Norma wins many competitions at extended range. The 300 prc is cheaper to shoot though. I own both and take the Norma for serious canyon hunts or target shooting past a mile.
Are you putting a Muzzle break and barrel tuner on it?
Yes, 300 prc rifles are on the shelf. But no 300 prc ammo on the shelves. I would love to have one of these. But the Bargara hmr 300 win mag with 208 eldm's is nothing to sniff. But yes, the 300 prc would be great.
I believe you guys did an outstanding job with this cartridge.
When you guys coming out with the .284 CR.
Will you be doing a podcast on the 6.5 PRC as well? Would like to hear more on that one too.
Stay tuned! ;)
@@hornady
Now how bout that 338 PRC?!!
Just wondering, what do the good people at Hornady like for a barrel length for this 300 PRC?
Thanks for the feedback.
Take care.
That varies from person to person here quite honestly. 24-26" typically if going without a suppressor and hunting, with a suppressor and hunting a lot of us are at 22". For ELR target style stuff, 28-32" is the norm.
300 prc is for shooters who don’t hand load. 300 win mag hand loaded will outperform (handle heavier projectiles without pressure problems) as the slower burning powder and case design allows. PRC is great for 212 grain and 300 win mag handles the 230 better.
As you already mentioned, handloading will get you even better performance out of a cartridge, however that same rule also applies to the 300prc. Especially if you’re going outside of the standard specs. And given the modern design attributes of the PRC series, I don’t see how a far more antiquated cartridge actually fares better with the same bullet and powder offerings. Especially since the bore diameter is the same.
@@hardlylivin6602 I agree, it would seem counter intuitive. It’s only because the antiquated cartridge is less overbore. I’ll share the link that explains in detail.
Can we get a comparison podcast of 6.5, 7mm and 300 PRC
I have 300 Winmag, 300 Weatherby, 7mm RUM, 7mm Remmag and 338 Winmag, why would I need a 300 PRC? Hornady and Ruger introduced cartridges generally die out in about 10 years.
I almost bought a 7mm PRC until I seen Hornady developed it. Hornady are expert rifle salesman with their hype. They should spend more time actually producing ammunition and reloading components.
I think you answered your own question considering you own 4 rifles all of them are almost identical.
Question…what powder class is good for 212 grain bullets??
We want a 190-195gr 7mm ELD-X
I'm building a short barrel 300 PRC hunting rifle for quick shots in black timber, yet still able to take longer shots, relying on ELD-X bullet performance.
@cabochris100 how is it going? I’m doing the same. Been using 7828ssc because that’s all I’ve been able to find, however just found 2 lbs of Retumbo tonight.
It would be awsome if you created a 30-06 prc
The 30-06 is a historic cartridge. And still a relevant cartridge. It needs to be modernized and given a face lift. 30-06 PRC !!
And that eld-x bummer in that cartridge will break apart upon impact going that fast
Random question, I'm building a custom 300 prc. It's going to have a 30" barrel, I'll be shooting g the 250gr a-tip, is 1 in 8.5 still the proper twist or will I be over spinning and building pressure?
1:8.5 is the minimum recommended twist for the 250 gr A-Tip. I’d maybe recommend a shorter barrel, but should shoot great
Hey guys. You mentioned doing a podcast on the ELD-X. Please consider that. There is so much conflicting info out there about it. Too fragile. Too tough. Good for elk. Sucks for elk, etc. I would love to have you discuss this.
I have shot a moose at 20 yards with 200gr eld-x in a 300win mag And the it went all the way through
ELDs suck as a hunting bullet.
Should I expect any issues with re-barreling a Sako S20 .300 Win Mag for PRC?
You will need to make sure the magazine can accept cartridges that are 3.700"
I clearly see the advantage of the 300 PRC over the 300 WinMag. There's a hellava lot more to absorb here than marketing hype. Certain "facts" may be arguable, but that doesn't negate the value nor the utility of the new cartridge. That's because your individual mileage, not to mention need may vary; as is always the case.
I never pay any attention to the, "We don't need no 'nother new cartridge...my (insert your favorite .30 cal banger here) will do everything this new 300 PRC will do, blah...blah...blah...", naysayers. Their ancestors were prolly the ones who told Henry Ford, "I'll stick to my horses. They are fast enough for what we need, I'll stick with them!"
Incidentally, I could never figure out who the "We" were in that ubiquitously declared statement. Anyone making such a foolish assertion about what someone else's needs may or may not be, notwithstanding their wants, isn't really to be taken seriously anyway, as far as I'm concerned!
It's called research and development, not, "What I've got now is all I will ever need." Kudos to Hornady and the other gun, bullet, and cartridge manufacturers who do this stuff for a living. They are the ones in the best possible position to know what will or will not perform to or above a certain standard. If I got the choice of listening to them, which I do, or heeding the admonitions of some nameless, faceless, uninformed social media critics, guess which way I'm going to lean.
There was a time when black powder, flintlock, cap and ball, breach loading and single shot smokeless powder rifles, were the greatest thing since spears and arrows. I rest my case!
Army sniper round is 300 norma mag
Can’t get reasonably priced Ammo due to the 3x price gouging, will wait to build one
Calling in an air strike on an Elk 😂
I’ve been contemplating the 300prc but the short barrel life just has me nervous
I just got a gunsmith building one for me. I'm not looking to push the 225gr as fast as I can, rather focusing on barrel life - with N570, according to numbers from GRT and a calculator I found online, it's arouns 800 shots. N165 doubles it, but of course it's not the optimal powder for it.
N165 has a much lower burn/flame temp than N570. Retumbo is kinda in the middle with better performance than N165.
Barrett 4.16 has a 375 grain pill & is better than 50 BMB by far. 300 PRC has a place but the Chey-Tec & Barrett in the 40+ caliber handle the wind better than anything. However 300 PRC wipes the floor with 300 Win Mag and Lapua is fine by me but not for military use.
Wipe the floor? its damn near the same ballistics...
I can't see the 300 PRC out performing 338 Lapua loaded with 300 gr Berger otm at 2950 I see the Lapua in more elr applications then I do the 300 prc not saying it's a bad cartridge at all but I can't imagine it to be true giving the projectiles available for reloading
Papa Joe got that recipe.
I have the 300RUM PRC .
Atmospheric pressure is a real thing. The 300PRC makes less of it, which makes it a more pleasant experience.
Wrong on the 300wby mag. Reloading Weatherby loads 200 grain Accubonds and shoots half in groups
Where is the brass for 300 PRC? Only see Hornady, Lapua, and ADG out of stock.
Any talk about a 308 PRC?
Like the 30 TC?
I love the concept of this cartage, but with how hard it is to get this ammo it is really putting a sower taste in my mouth. I have the rifle, and in 18 months I have been able to get 6 boxes. I have it on back order all over. Really don’t have enough to site in and count on it as a platform
Check Mile High Shooting or Scheels.
Reload then.
@@wes3029 oh that will happen, eventually. I like to get to about 300 empty cases before I start down that rabbit hole. Actually dies are on the bench already, lol
Curious if your building a 1mile to 2000yd rifle what barrel length does Hornady recommend ?
It is a personal decision of course, but if this is a dedicated ELR type rifle, 30" is very practical. You can go longer if you want to, or shorter for that matter. There is velocity to gain with longer, but it doesn't increase much per inch after 30".
@@hornady Thanks for the reply, I was thinking a 26-inch barrel as a hunting rifle.
Just wondering if this would be handicapping this cartridge.
Thanks for a response.
@@RandyMan388 Again, personal decision. But braked or bare muzzle, 26" is great. If suppressed, shorter may be more ideal. A 26" barrel with this cartridge is no handicap.
@@RandyMan388 Usually the loss isn't that much over a couple inches. Just get some reloading books or data on your specific cartridge. The cartridge choice is more important than anything about barrel length.
Gowiboy
I have both 300 Norma and 300PRC and my Norma uses 4gn more of Retumbo than the PRC and will inside the 300 PRC any day of the week. Dont know about 25/30gn difference of powder weight.
C’mon fellas. I realize you’ve got a product to sell, but don’t suggest the little .300 PRC is in direct competition with the .338 Lapua Magnum.
Kinda 2 different animals for sure! But the 300PRC is closer than any other 30 cal I suppose. Its not a .338 mag tho.
The 300 mags can penetrate body armors better than the 338 Lapua.
@@jamespmullin21753 🙄
A true heavy hitter🤣😂😆Just another Bro-Hunter cartridge!
Make some more 6.5 grendel BTHP!!!
Scheels carries 300 PRC ammo.
Guys, I need more than 2 factory loadings, or y'all need to make WAAAAAY more ammo
Y'all need to talk to Randy ,known as the real gunsmith on here. He talking mad smack bout the 300prc and he's giving people false information. He doesn't understand the design and keeps comparing it to 300winmag . The prc walks all over the win mag at distance .
Just another marketing scheme. The cartridge itself is not superior to the 300 Weatherby, has a negligible improvement over the 300 Winchester Magnum and is absolutely inferior to the 30-378 Weatherby Magnum. One can see that something was odd when the 300 PRC is the only 30 caliber rifle cartridge with data for the 250 grain Hornady A - tip, and possibly the 230 grain A - tip also. (data for 225 grain .308 bullets is generally interchangeable with those at 230 grains) Finally, the massive 30 - 378 does not have data for these long, bullets. No one can convince me the rate of twist in Weatherby rifles would be inadequate or be incapable of stabilizing a .308 230 grain boat tail projectile with a high b.c. and long ogive.
Also 300 RUM
What the hell is up with the headsets lol, ya'll look ridiculous.
It's production work Matt. It's all good.
@@RandyMan388 they are in a conference room not a production floor lol
its a podcast, they have to do that as any podcast does. Radio shows are the same way.
@@PatriotPaulUSA that is not true.
How about talking about the vaccine mandate you say isn't in place but internal emails say otherwise?
@bowhunter 4 life So if your employer told you you needed to insert something into your body, that you did not want, you would be okay with that?
Last 15min of shooting light on an elk hunt I get up and get ready to leave. On top a 200’ cliff over looking creeks and meadows from 100yds to 400yds. I take one last look through the meadows across the valley before leaving and I spot the biggest bull I’ve ever seen… at 1150yds 🤦♂️ absolutely no chance or time to get closer. Anybody have the balls to admit this 300prc would do the job? I bet it would.
A waste of time tools on tools.
Answere "Lets Go Brandon's" question below. I watch none of the Shows you sponsor. They're in it for the money too, "Non Patriots".
Not a great video guys……. Nothing like your ballistics videos. Not even close
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