Orangewood Oliver Versus Guild M-20E!
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How far above its weight class can the @orangewoodguitars Oliver punch? Can it beat my @GuildGuitarsUSA M-20E?
The Orangewood is a strong contender but the Guild is king. What do you think?
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Guild all the way!
With that said, the Orangewood is a nice sounding guitar.
Nice to have so many choices.
The Orangewood represents a very decent guitar for those on a limited budget, or those who simply refuse to pay Guild money. The world needs inexpensive guitars. Without them, we have a lot less guitar players. As to the sound comparison, the Guild wins. No contest.
It's debatable how many cheap guitars the world actually need.
However, what the world absolutely need, is to stop supporting regimes such as the Chinese. Cost and value is not always measured in money. American made Guild guitars are not cheep, but they offer an insane value compared to what they cost.
Get yourself a second hand guitar and start saving up. ;)
@@WinterRapidsget facts straight before speaking out of your 🕳️
I like the Orangewood, Sounds really good for the price. Been looking at them for a while.
I also really dig how you describe the feel and vibe, things so hard to quantify with a video containing compressed audio which is so important in person. You're very likeable, subscribed.
Guild has a spooky intangible quality to it that draws me in more
Great review man!. Thanks!
Picked up some of those picks after watching another of your videos. Really like them.
For the "money" the orangewood is pretty darn good. I'd take the guild anyway myself for the richness and quality! The OW is a deal for that price, compared that to other 200.00 guitars which typically sound tinny and weak.
Love the bloopers at the end!
Glad you found those.
Orangewood is doing a 20% off sale right now, 11/30, and actually have been since Black Friday. The Oliver Mahogany and Oliver Mahogany Jr. are $156 today. The Oliver Mahogany Live is $220 today. I just recently purchased a Brooklyn for $295. Today they're asking $236. The set up, for me anyway, was great. Being a beginner/intermediate player, I'm really glad I was able to find this company. By the way, no shipping costs, so what you see is what you get.
I got the Oliver's before the deal...2 weeks later took advantage and got the brooklyn
@@christopherpeters3922 Hey, I got the Oliver Jr. about 3 months ago(:
@@jimalice1 the finish on the Jr looks amazing
Have you ever played a tanglewood there really good guitars for the price I'm looking to get the tanglewood TW4 super folk yo should give them a go 👍✌
I think they both sound nice but the Guild has a bit more shimmer and depth to it in my opinion. No hate for the Orangewood though.
Orangewood also offers the Ava model that is made from real wood. I wonder. How it would stand up to the guild. It's about 5 to 6 hundred dollars.😏
Great video, and your are spot on about all the things you just can't tell from a CZcams video! I have an Orangewood Morgan Spruce (cutaway) and it's great for something inexpensive....plays and sounds FAR better than anything I've played under $400, BUT... the sound IS thin compared to my solid wood Washburn dread, and I get what you mean about the responsiveness. Still, I'll keep it for travel, cabin, campfire, etc
The Orangewood is a nice guitar, but the Guild has more definition and depth. It also has a more balanced sound, but the Orangewood sounds great and I wouldn’t mind having one. Agree the Guild is very organic feeling and feels great playing.
Nice vid! Appreciate it! The comparison seems a bit unequal since the size really matters on the acoustic guitars. But the orangewood clearly sounds more full and resonant, especially because a larger body. Orangewood also has great intonation up the neck.
EXACTLY!!
The orange wood is okay for the money but it’s absolutely not the equivalent or better to the guild. Quit fanboiing
the guild has such an expressive and intimate sound. Great review!
great video. Its the golden age of learning to play, beginner guitars are soooo much better.
As a martin 00-15m owner I've wondered how much I would like the Waterloo range. I see them for $1500 used range around here and thats what a new 15 series martin costs and pretty close to the Guild. So any plans for a guild-waterloo comparison?
Great video. I wish more people spike about the experience of playing the guitar rather than just the tone.
Bought myself an Orangewood Oliver today after waiting months for a restock and I loved this series of reviews so I checked this one out. I like the tone of the Guild more being bright and more appealing to my ears, but I do like the orangewood's darker tone as well. Being curious I checked the price of guild thinking ok what is this $2-400 comparison? $1700?! dang Orangewood is just changing the game for pricepoint compared to quality of just a well built acoustic. Loved the video!
Thank you Jeremy for you comparison. I am a septuagenarian just completing his first year of learning guitar. I own an Oliver and am very happy with how it plays. It stays in tune and feels and looks great. For me $195 sounds better than $1;400.
Guild M20 is around $600. So for another couple hundred you could have a real guitar.
@@Invictus13666 wrote that in Aug 2022. I’m seeing no m20s under $1500USD. M120s sure, but that’s an entirely different guitar
@@Invictus13666a "real" guitar😂 you snobs are something else. He made a video because he knows it sounds good and is a better deal
@@schism6976 he made a video because Orangewood paid him.
And I’m not a guitar snob. My guitar-only guitar-is a Mexican Martin. But it’s at least made with actual wood.
Thanks man, waiting for my M-25 E...
The Orangewood guitar sounds darker than the Guild. The Guild has a more pleasant, ringing, tonal quality. The Orangewood sounds deader. Thanks for all of your hard work making these videos. They are surely appreciated over here.
I feel the exact opposite, lol
I bought an orangewood guitar and told them that you were the reason I bought it on the "othe" buttonr I said the CZcams videos from you and there's another guy that I watched. YOU helped me decide thank you
I have an orangewood like that and I made some improvements: I checked the nut high, reduce the strings action, change plastic nobs in the bridge for ebony new ones, polish the frets and round ends and tested different strings; for my taste the best sound with Elixir Nanoweb phosphor bronze medium and light (for finger picking)
After checking out the two videos on this Orangewood guitar, I found one advertised locally today. Used, but perfect condition. It had Grover tuners added, had the frets checked, polished and a nice set up done by a nice high end shop here. The sound and playability was excellent for $120 and great to use as a travel guitar for a while. Thank you for reviewing it or I would never have tried it.
Wow! That's a deal!
@@JeremySheppard Yes.! Hard to pass on that. I needed a camping guitar. I sold my Martin Dreadnaught junior to a local kid for a discount price who started taking lessons. Trying to pass on your guitar philosophy.
Hello Jeremy. I discovered your channel some months ago and then I watched almost every clip you uploaded. First of all let me give you my compliments for your channel and the concept behind it.
I am writing to you because I love Guilds. I played at the store an M120... china made version of M20. I really liked it but I was looking for a Martin, so I bought a Martin M36. Then, I bought the Guild OM120.
Now I am considering selling the Guild to buy the Guild m20. Just not sure yet if choosing the Martin 0015M or Guild m20. Any advice?
Best regards :)
Just bought an Oliver & she sounds fantastic. Not a flaw on her. Just a couple of strings needed tuning right out of the box & the setup is perfect. Feels like I'm playing a $500+ guitar. Beautiful guitar...
The Guild M20 is our first real guitar, in all honesty I wish we had bypassed the years of cheaper stuff and started with the Guild
Well Jer ..... all I can say is ....
i think you're spot on regarding Every point you made about each guitar.
Especially the simple science facts about how the properties of hardened glue changed the way the laminate reacts to sound vibrations . Soooo spot on Jer .
You also made an awesome point about how a person interacts with the guitar , such as where you play on the strings , and how a player manipulates the sound the guitar is able to produce ..... i totally got it about how the Orangewood ( as much as i like it ) limits you in the sound you can produce .
I have a Martin OOO 15 M that i bought privately .
Even though it needs a neck reset quite badly for the most part , it still sounds better than most others that I've been playing in the last half a year .
That is why i feel it is worth putting out the money for a neck reset.
Would i swap it for an Orangewood... no ... because it is a model i have aways wanted .
That being said ... there is a place and purpose for an Orangewood any day .
Would love to have an Orangewood 12 string natural , non cutaway with no electronics .
I Always respect your views in your vids ... they broaden my knowledge of acoustic guitars .
That's a nice Guild you have, Jeremy. I recently got my first small sized acoustic--one of the new PRS parlor guitars. I love playing it. So different from all my dreadnoughts. It has a cool story too. You should compare it to these two. It sits in the middle price-wise.
I'd like to see you review an Eastman and compare it to higher end manufacturers
I am not surprised the Guild sounds and feels better to you. For the money, I may try the Orangewood for a travel guitar. I own a Martin 000 and 00, along with some others but none suitable for camping and travel. Thank you!
I've bought an old Guild classical Mark one by chance, and never have liked nylon classics before, but like you said, it makes every sound I want to hear in a guitar!
Thanks Jeremy ⚓️
I do it for you, Keith!
That Guild is on a short list for my next guitar
Thanks for the A : B comparison. I have been looking for a good "sitting room" guitar that I can leave out and not have to be concerned if my grandson or "beer" enabled buddy touches it ~ while still having something a would enjoy strumming - looks like the Orangewood fits the bill! Cheers and again thank.you
Amen on the primetones. I have a couple blue chips. I use the primetones. They’re cheap enough to throw in every case and bag. Not much difference, if any. Nice not having to worry about losing a $35 pick. That said, can’t wait to try a toneslab.
Thanks Jeremy. I find it very compelling that you thought enough of the M-20 to actually buy one new.
I’ve got a dozen or so guitars, none of which I’ve bought new. I can’t shake this M-20, I’ve got to have one. The tone is vocal. Not only does it smoke the OW here in every category that matters, I believe it is one of the most distinct mass produced American acoustics available. Thanks for great content!
I'm glad you love it too. I love the M20 and the American made Guilds.
They both sound good , but you can tell the Guild feels more comfortable to you. Good video keep it going.
What about comparing that Orangewood to a PRS SE P20E?
I am looking for a good Cutaway style Guitar. Taylor is way too expensive. Any good Suggestions? I like the Orangewood, but I am not sure if they have cutaways or not. Most of the time I go to their website, the ones I like are out of stock anyway. Also interested in an Acoustic/electric with the cutaway.
I would love for you to review the Guild OM 120 vs The Orangewood Sage. These are both solid mahogany and I am debating which one I would lean towards. Thanks
Your videos are GREAT and YOU are charming. I have a brand new Oliver Live. It is indeed tight as a tick. The volume is not there, you are right. I hope it will "open up" over time. But it's my first "grand concert" aka OM guitar, all my other acoustics are dreads. My Yamaha FG730S dread is also a solid top but sitka spruce and dreads are louder than OM's but the Yamaha blows it across the room in volume and resonance and bass but it is ALSO over 22 years old and has Elixirs! Makes a difference. I haven't changed the strings on the Oliver from the Ernie Ball communist strings they came with as I'm waiting for bone pins for it, I suspect different strings and the bone pins will make a noticeable difference. That said, the Orangewood price is amazing, got it on a 2023 holiday sale for $250 to my door for a solid top all mahogany with a good pickup is a steal. Plugged in volume is unlimited of course and the Oliver has a VERY good pickup which sounds really good, none of my Yamaha's came with a pickup. The Oliver does resonate very well especially when VERY precisely tuned and the bridge WAS intonated pretty close when I pulled it out of the soft case and hilariously the guy who did it looked like he used a pocket knife to remove material from the saddle but it IS pretty close out of the box which CANNOT be said for other guitar makers. My only REAL complaint is the tuners. They DO NOT turn smoothly, notch notch notch, they are driving me crazy. They need oil being run in or something, they are NOT good as is. And the I think the first fret is high, will file it when I change the strings. Right now with the truss rod adjusted so the neck is as flat as I can make it when not under string tension the string heights at 12th fret bass E is between .06 and .07 and high E is .06 which I like a lot. So there is some room for improvement overall but quite OK as is right now. A new solid top spruce dread Yamaha like an FG800 might be more of a boomer for even a cheaper price but no pickup and it is bigger. That said, my Recording King RD-318 dread Martin D-18 copy is in another galaxy, a completely different guitar from the Oliver, literally a guitar piano that makes me cry at times, but it retails for at least double $250, grab a lightly used RD-318 for a REAL bargain.
Which of the two might be better for someone with smaller hands. Looking around for recs for my sister in laws first guitar.
Any others I should look into fitting those guidelines and around 200 to 300 or so?
Thanks.
What is in your opinion the warmest sounding Martin? I play many travispicked Jason Isbell songs...well I try to...thanks.
Jeremy- have you played the Orangewood all solid wood Ava Mahogany?
no. I have an oliver. How is the ava?
My guitar player just bought that guild in the sunburst based on my recommendation based on your video.
It’s FN amazing! Now I want one and I just bought a J45 based on the one you just sold.
Stop making me and my friends spend money 💰
Hahah.
I have an Orangewood, you are right, they feel good. It's a 495 buck guitar i found used for 299. I'm interested in an Oliver, when they are back in stock, but wonder about their higher end mahogany, Ava model ($645.00).
love the sound of the orangewood. I have an oliver myself. I find myself playing my Oliver and my welden g551e more than my martin. I know that sounds crazy.
The Orangewood is OK , but the M20 is remarkably better. I agree with some other viewers. Lets compare an Orangewood AVA with the M20. It would be a fair comparison. The Oliver would be the best starter guitar for sure! Thanks for the great videos as always!
Has anyone done a group test of all-solid all-mahogany guitars, such as the 000-15, Guild M20 and the new Furch OM-MM? Might be quite interesting to see. Furch is getting quite a bit of traction over here as they have all-solid guitars at fairly affordable prices from a western country.
I've owned numerous guitars over the years, from dirt cheap to Martin, and I just love my Guild M20.
God two amazing sounding guitars
"Watched" the video with a friend who's looking for a guitar to buy. Had the video in my periphery so I could see when it switched between guitars, but couldn't tell which was which while my friend watched the video normally. I kept saying the Orangewood had a richer sound with more character. So take that as you will.
I have an Orangewood Brooklyn Live guitar that sounds surprisingly good in the room (grand concert size). It sounds better than the Oliver, but then I like a spruce top. I also have a 2009 model Guild F50 (rosewood) that is terribly rich in sound and projects second to none. I also bought an Eastman DT30GACE double top grand auditorium. There is no comparison between solid tonewood back and sides for sure. Orangewood and Epiphone (AJ220S is what I have) are both good options for a beginner or a player on a budget. My limit is 4 guitars, though If looking for a warm, rich, full tone, a small-body is not the way to go, in my opinion.
I bought an Orangewood Morgan Spruce Live almost a year ago. I didnt really like the way the neck felt right from the start but I kept it hoping I would change my mind. Its a tad wider and thicker than I would like to the point that it feels slow. The sound is ok....sorta.The tuners slip periodically . For the money I guess its ok. Just my 2 cents
Yeah I just ordered my orange wood Oliver. It should be here tomorrow. While it's not as big and bright as the guild. It still has a very well built guitar sound as well as a unique quality. I'm really hoping I love it
Jeremy, you’re awesome. That’s my comment. Had to be said...
Thanks, Steve!
Comparing apple to oranges...the Orangewood Oliver is $235 (on sale now from $295 including gig bag) vs the Guild M20e which is 2-3+X the price ! Both are wonderful instruments... Give Segovia a $20 guitar and he'll make it sing !
My laminate back and side D'Angelico has none of the problems that the orangewood had.
The guild sounded so full and Woody. The the orangewood sounded so ...not.
However I have heard higher end orangewood that doesn't have those problems. I'd hope that they don't have those feel issues. I'd be curious to hear how the top ages on the orangewood.
With good headphones “To Me” The Orangewood sounded much more full
If I’m not mistaken, there’s a world of difference in price between these guitars. The Guild M-20E is around $1600 is that correct? I love me a good Guild though. I had a G-37 Blonde back in the 70’s. Had to send it back to the factory for a neck reset after which it played as nice as my friends’ Hummingbird. Wish I still had that, my 72 Les Paul gold top and Ovation Breadwinner in white.
The Guild M20 was my first guitar when I was about 15. I didn't like it because the action was high, and there's no place to put a guitar strap. I recently went into a store and bought a different Guild just for memories, and I tried out the M20. The sound was so beautiful and illustrious, but it still had no place to keep a strap. You play beautifully. Everything you play sounds like a Goo Goo Dolls song.
Jeremy, how old is the Guild? Guild Definitely has the tone & clarity up the neck.
8 months or so.
I just bought the Oliver spruce top as a first guitar for my son. Every review, bar none, has raved about the ease of play. On sale for Black Friday includes a gig bag and accessories kit for $180. Hopefully, he’ll stay interested.
You might check out the Ava or Sage models from Orangewood...solid woods, not laminates...Even under a thousand bucks with L.R. Baggs pickup.
I am intrigued by Orangewood.. but I am also of the mind to hold on to that $200 and at the very least put it towards a Guild F-2512.. (I have a Martin DM to cover my 6 string needs) or Martin Standard Series..like a D35.
I have a cedar top Oliver from Orangewood - it’s a little brighter, punchier sounding. It plays great, but has the jangley sound you describe. It’s a great entry point for guitar. The main fault I found - the intonation is not good. The high E is 15 cents or more flat at the 12th, with no room on the saddle to fix that. Two other strings are pretty flat at the 12th, also.
How would this Guild compare to the Martin 000-15M? I want to buy a parlor guitar so I can keep it in my lap for more hours to enable constant practice (I’m a newbie). Thanks for any thoughts you and others viewers might offer!
The orangewood is similar size but laminate back and sides. The guild would be more similar to the 00-15m but could hold its own with a 000.
@@JeremySheppard: thanks brother!
Both sound great in their own respects but I did notice more buzzing on the Orangewood, which wouldn’t necessarily scare me away from it.
The problem is not the glue, it is the core material used in the laminate. It is also how tight they can get the layers.
Don't make my mistake if you order from Orangewood look your guitar over. My action at the 1st fret was over .032'' because of that I didn't notice how close the high E was to the edge of the fretboard. After lower the action I can easily pull the E string off the fretboard.
Jeremy...whom did you purchase your .M-20 from?
I got it from Guild directly as an artist.
About the finish and the coats, try this: sand the top to reduce the varnish thickness and polish. You will notice de difference and sound gain in low and medium tones.
I can't be the only one that appreciates the warmer sound from the Orangwood... It just sounds nicer to my ears. That brighter sound sounds.... aggressive to my ears...too high in treble?? But I understand some like that.
Better note separation with the Guild and less sustain.. which I like. I'm not running out to buy either one. Thanks for the comparison, Jeremy!
I'm glad you're not making rash decisions based on these videos, they are fun and entertaining but the slow approach is always best to guitar acquisition.
@@JeremySheppard Right on, Jeremy! I've done that far too often, but now have a pretty good idea of what guitars work for me and why. Such a fun journey!
There both good it's a matter of what ur ear is satisfied with and which is easier to play
I have an Orangewood Rey mahogany, so I can relate to where you were going with this.
To me, a much more accurate comparison would be a 000-15 Martin, as they are the same size body & scale length...
My main guitar is an 0-18 Martin, so comparing them would literally be apples to "oranges"!
The Orangewood is a good guitar, but not a great guitar. I bought mine used, so I could actually play it first. For the money it is impressive and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend one to a beginner or student.
They play well enough, and sound ok to get you to that next level.
BTW I leave mine tuned to DADGAD, which is where it shines to me...
The Guild is brighter and sounds more 'opened up', for lack of a better term. But the Orangewood does have a nice rich, kinda dark tone,
which is still really nice!
Jeremy, Would you like to review 'Power Pins'?
Your Orangewood story is comparable to my Mahogany parlor Sigma 00M-15S +
Recently I replaced the bridge pins with 'Power Pins' Bridge Pin Set V2 BK.
Suddenly it gave more projection and deeper bass sounds and the volume got louder.
The effect after mounting the 'Power Pins' has a positive and negative side. It changes the timbre and sound character of the guitar. But, who cares if the end-result of a cheap guitar is 2x better ?!
I look forward to your response.
I've tried similar products but I'd like to try them. Send me a message through my website.
The Guild is definitely better. It's a lot crisper... individual notes and as much or better base than the Orange which sounds muddy with respect to bottom sounds.
I have an older Orange and I bought another Guild about 2 years ago for $500 with a spruce top and a decent hard soft bag. It was the only guitar that is 25 guitars in that price range that sounded good to me. I turned it down a "D" in standard and it still sounds good and did not buzz. However it was made in China. In 1969 I bought a Hoboken Guild F30 that plays like a dream... very low actions. I was going through a very hard time and I really regret selling it in 1994... most regrettable for sure. Hurricane Andrew, a bad T-bone car crash when a woman ran a red light and almost killed me... you know how it goes.
From Leo: Your musical skills bring out the best in both of the examples. I know that the Guild is a far superior instrument in every way. The Orangewood is impressive in how well it compared to a guitar that costs 8 or 10 TIMES as much money. I have far superior guitars for serious work, but bought an Oliver to leave laying in the living room and casually playing on the sofa.
I think the smaller body on the Guild hampered it in making it not sound as full as the Orangewood with its larger body. I think in chord attack volume variation and note articulation, the Guild was much better than the Orangewood.
Guild sounds more present and has more of the 1.5kHz to 3kHz range and is stronger around 300 to me. Orangewood sounds nicer to my ears, it sounds a little fuller and has more high end. To me it feels like comparison between Parlour and a 000 or OM style guitar, more than a comparison between brands. How do they sound plugged in PA system ?
The Guild is clearly a better guitar but...I for some reason like that muddiness of the Oliver...maybe its more rustic or western...idk...it has a bit of boom but...I like the Orange actually
I'm not really a big Guild fan, but its clarity and silkiness is so much better than the other one to my ears. The Orangewood sounds... clunky, I guess. Both guitars' performance exceeds my skill, so I guess it doesn't matter. I rolled the screen down for a "blind" comparison.
Hi Jeremy. It seems that everyone compares/reviews the less expensive Orangewood guitars. Can you please make a video reviewing the upper end of Orangewood's line? Thank you.
Yes please.
I have the Ava Mahogany and I can’t put it down. It’s that good and only $580 with nice hard case can’t be heat.
Thanks for the comparison vid.
I want your opinion on whether or not I should invest in a Martin HD-28
Do it! Do it! Do it!!
I'd love to help. Email me and lets talk! jeremy@jeremysheppard.com
guild sounds slightly brighter and clearer. when the orangewood has aged it will sound better. not sure on the age of the guild.
I have both guitars as well. Orangewood Oliver is an amazing guitar for the 179.0 I paid for it, conversely, I love my M20and it's worth every penny I paid for it.
Curious how the higher end Orangewood’s compares. I have a beginner guitar, tho would like a better beginner guitar as a beginner...I would rather just save up and when my play advances get a nicer instrument. I hear the Orangewood Sage is a competitor for $600ish.
I have the Hudson and it's a monster for the money. I'll have more videos about it soon.
@@JeremySheppard I look forward to that!
The most important thing with any guitar is intonation.....which one had the better.....
Guild
The Oliver held its own with the finger style playing. But we all know who the winner was. Money wise though, Orangewood can’t be touched. They were on sale for $156 this holiday season. Great video by the way.
I love the Guild!
Look at his face when he's playing the guild. You don't need him to tell you that he feels connected to it. Totally different look and just his facial expression! Enjoy the video.
Orangewood offers an all solid guitar with a hard case for $700.00 great guitar for the price.
Would love to see a review of one of those.
Super difficult to tell apart. I’m sure complexity is lost through CZcams. From what I heard CZcams compresses the sound but idk 🤷🏽♂️
The Orangewood is pretty good for the money. I have paid more for worse. Sounds pretty good in the lower tension alternate tunings such as DADGAD. Good enough to play, cheap enough to not worry about at the beach, camping, traveling. Would be a great beginner guitar.
So well said and my thoughts exactly
@@JeremySheppard Yours is one of the first "apples to apples" comparisons I've really seen. Marty Music just dropped one where they are comparing the Oliver to a D'Angelico and a Taylor, both of which possess spruce tops. While I appreciate their content, it wasn't a great way to evaluate the Oliver against higher priced alternatives. Yours hit the nail on the head. Useful, and well presented video.
$180v$1700 that's a $1520 difference, I can learn to love the Orangewood
Guild sounds amazing.