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given how dumb and childish the characters were scripted, i can't help but think Disney had strict rules to be "as childish as possible" because its a 'kids cartoon essentially' to them. So from that perspective all the characters are perfect. otherwise we are forced to consider that actual adult professional writers came up with this character development and plotting.... which is impossible.
He could have also been used to humanize the soldiers of the first order. Preventing Rey and the rebels for killing unnecessarily. Could have been a scene where he begs them not to kill a group of soldiers fleeing or some shit, they ignore him, and it sets him up for a dark side path where he fights against Rey and Kylo (or some shit like that. Maybe he rejoins Kylo under the promise that the first order would change to be a better galactic republic). He is torn between his past of being a trooper and his past of being a rebel and has to decide, does he save Rey or Kylo at the very end of the film.
Pretty sure they botched the sequel trilogy on purpose at this point. It's part of the plan to destroy Western Culture. Disney are shills of the Globalist Tyrants - Alex Jones, probably :D.
Exactly this. Only Im sure theyre not nearly objective and self-deferential enough to make proper use of his cogent insights and analyses. What a waste.
Seriously. I don't think I was supposed to snort so fucking loud in the theater when that happened, but I nearly choked on my beer and couldn't stop laughing. What a absolute joke...
@@margarinesnatcher you don't have pub theaters? You're missing out man... $5 pitchers of beer, nachos and comfy reclining chairs. Literally the only reason I watch anything in theaters.
Finn could’ve single handedly made this series so unique being that he was a defected stormtrooper but they literally had no idea what to do with him smh
They started off well... but then China and their cultural hatred of dark skin... seriously, it's all racism and it's because Disney wants China's money but China sees skin color as a literal (not figurative, but literal) sign of favor. The purest are light skinned, hence women's make up and skin lightening treatments. The darker skinned someone is, the less worth they have in the culture, justifying the disdain nobility share to farmers and folk who work under the sun. Then there are different races beyond the Han Chinese. Is it any wonder they have put up with Western Europeans for so long as they have, what with the fairest skin of all, while simultaneously seething against anyone from Africa? Finn never stood a chance, not once Disney decided they shouldn't anger China by making someone with dark skin a Jedi...
Finn was totally the lost Skywalker in the original treatment. I'd bet on it. They knew what to do, but couldn't commit to elevating a male, not even a black man, to become The Hero. He was very Luke-like, who himself was never as "gifted" as his father with the Force. That was the whole point of Luke's journey in the OT. He saved the galaxy by sacrificing himself and holding to his values and wisdom. It was a spiritual lesson. We can't have that sort of thing these days.
@@jtirri8842 No. It's forbidden. If you look closely, not so closely in fact, the movies seems to give the opposite message of what they used to tell, instead of using everyone's talent and habilities for à greater goal, were everyone have a part to play, they seems to be more preocupied by putting ones down while elevating others to ridiculous level. They pretend to be inclusive, but all they do is divide, woman against men, white against black, it's almost as if they can't conceive that everyone can do their own share, and instead, give us character that are OP as F, rendering the others useless in the process. That's why these movies are so different than the older movies. In the OT, I didn't care about lando being a black man, or Han being white because it was never implied that one was superior than the other. They all had their part to play, they were both agreable character that had realistic personalities, Leia was never portrayed as better at everything and either was Luke or anyone else. They were a team that worked together and it worked well. I don't know why they can't do this anymore. Now they seems to divide, portray somes as useless and others as space Jesus. English isn't my language but I'm sure you get the idea.
Shame because I would liked to have seen a scenario that if he had actually defeated Kylo Ren in that lightsaber scene, he would have become a brutal enemy of Rey and that might have been a small improvement?
@@JohnDoe-ji5wg Not necessarily, what if Kylo Ren battered and broken had transferred his spirit to Finn, making him more curious of the dark side and possibly either leading him to either Snoke or even Palpatine? He would have had to learn to use his force abilities and seeing Rey become a more and more Mary Sue, decided the rebellion wasn't where he belonged and revealing himself to Snoke, perhaps start a new Sith clan.
@Ruosong Gao Yes but didn't Finn manage to injure Kylo Ren? There is also some evidence that Finn IS force sensitive hence why it MIGHT be possible for a spirit transfer. Sadly this is Legends territory but Emperor Vitiate was able to transfer his spirit and rule the Eternal Empire and also Darth Nox did defeat Darth Thanaton with a combination of spirits she had absorbed and of course she was living. Also remember Finn IS a trained First Order Soldier so while he may not have defeated Kylo, he may have with additional training. Also Chewbacca did wound Kylo Ren (no spoilers) so you have to consider that too and we don't know if Chewbacca may or may not be a force sensitive himself.
@Ruosong Gao Well one I never quoted Vitiate, he was capable of transfer so the implication is that it IS possible, Palpatine proved it could be done. Two, I am well versed in SW lore hence why I used both Vitiate and Darth Nox as examples. Nowhere do I say I wanted to alter or change the lore in any way. I'm not a fan at all of the new SW and to be honest? I hope Lucas uses the Veil of the Force to retcon the lore and restore the original SW to its proper glory. Sigh I just simply thought a different outcome scenario would have been nice, that is all. Didn't want to have to debate the lore.
As a wise man once said: “There are two types of people. Those who like the new Star Wars movies and those who like good films.” I’m guessing the 56 dislikers are part of the first group.
Seriously Drinker, you have to tell us how this story ends. Your fixes for Rey, Luke and Finn are all fantastic and are clearly leading to a better finale. I would love to see how you would end the trilogy.
@@DouglasLippi Not sure what was wrong with Leia or Han I mean I guess Han could be a bit less of scoundrel but I don't know losing your kid to the darksied would but some distance between you and your wife. As for Kylo not a lot just explore how Snoke was manipulative, how he met the knights of Ren and seeing him as child sent off to lukes temple as ben solo took that as they feared his ability with the force, I believe even a injured conflicted kylo Ren would beat Finn like he did in movie but Rey doesn't somehow use the force like she has training but gets saved thanks to chewie blasting at kylo as Rey drags the unconscious Finn to the millennium falcon, it was only the destruction of star killer base that stops kylo Ren pursuing them.
@@themarsman5155 the way Han dies is an absolute disgrace, let alone the half-ass reaction to it by the other characters. Frickin Rey has a love affair with a guy that she witnessed murder his father??? And Leia having no meaningful relationship with her only son??? Not believable and makes her character hollow. And the Mary Poppins thing...
@@DouglasLippi Rey understood That ben solo is his true self and that killing his father made him conflicted because he regrets it, Luke doesn't hate anakin for what Vader did to alderaan. Kylo ren wanted to kill han to break the connection to his past as ben solo but it only drawed him closer to the lightside because ben solo was still a part of him. How, it's han reach out to his son because he loves him, definitely could've fleshed out the relationship more. I admit they should've showed ben solo and Leia relationship a lot more.
I feel that Finn's fixation on Rey could have been a strong character trait. Stormtroopers are brought up to be fanatics, so it could be that instead of being a fanatic about The First Order, he could be a fanatic about the first human being he could connect with.
or perhaps that Finn's fixation is based on his latent feeling of the Force being attracted to another Force wielder, like how Leia and Luke found each other...
@@hellacoorinna9995 The cowards at Disney thought two men homo-romantically connecting with each other with their conflicting personalities was no good. Instead they let two lesbian background characters kiss and called it a day.
Finn - constantly marginalized and humiliated by Rose Poe - constantly humiliated and marginalized by Holdo Luke - constantly humiliated and marginalized by Rey I’m noticing a pattern here...
Also, each character is allowed redemption through the grace and angelic forgiveness of a female character. Finn - by Rose saving him and bestowing her forgiveness in the form of a kiss (as her actions appear to doom everyone and her soundbite is completely contradicted by the storys portrayal of the holdo maneuvre). Poe - by Holdo suddenly and totally inexplicably given her previous treatment telling leia how much she likes him (in a belittlingly paternalistic fashion for maximal irony) Luke - by Rey telling Leia (his force using sister who was WAY closer to him!) how Luke "is at peace now" (having done nothing to redress his fault in turning Kylo to the darkside, instead just taunting the boy he 'failed' according to the film). Yup, the film is utterly vapid even in the implementation of its primary agenda.
@@margarethmichelina5146 He didn't redeem anything. He put in effort for the likes of Knives Out because he actually cared for the project. He only came in to Star Wars to destroy it, which you might think I am joking, but considering his interviews even till today is to mock and antagonize fans who didn't like his movie, and the glee he had in creating a movie that basically split the fanbase, I say he didn't redeem anything.
@@margarethmichelina5146 Star Wars is one of the biggest film franchises in the world. Johnson poisoned the well and turned the fanbase against it. There is no redeeming that kind of failure.
@@ilyanagalen9320 Even at its worst, the Prequel Trilogy was still the vision of an artist with something to say. Lucas' problem was believing his own hype and surrounding himself with yesmen incapable of reining him in.
I think having Finn go to Coruscant instead of Canto Bight is brilliant. It lets us see a familiar place without it being just a reference. We could see what has happened to it since the prequels. You could even make an excuse for Finn and Rose to visit the ruins of the Jedi temple to salvage some Jedi-related artifact that Rey needs to complete HER journey. Instead, by going to Canto Bight, Disney wanted to make some blunt, preachy lesson about corporate greed. Yeah, Disney, coming from YOU that's really deep.
@@anthonylipira9526 still, the Prequels were no better. There are some things I still like about the sequels. The Prequels did so much so wrong and so badly that they are not redeemed just because another trilogy exists which is also bad.
Finn and Poe were the two 'new' characters that not only promised an interesting story arc but who were played by competent and likeable actors, both utterly wasted and progressively destroyed in a vein attempt to make several female characters look more capable IMO.
In the first one, they were already ruining his premise. Instead of being a guy who did bad things because he thought it was right (or because that's how he was raised), he was actually just an innocent janitor. Then after the first time being put in battle, he realises the First Order is bad and quits. Also, in that battle he was affected by his fellow storm trooper dying in his arms, but 20 minutes later they're just mooks he can mow down without caring.
It bums me out how many different directions they could have taken Star Wars in, but they just chose a boring retread. They could have done anything. Maybe there is another galactic civil war, but this time there are Jedi on both sides and Luke has to reconcile with that before passing the mantle to the next generation.
@@pikebasss Yeah, I've thought about that a lot. I think it would have been cool if the Republic and the First Order were closer in strength, but the First Order was starting to get the upper hand. So they're trying to defend the progress they made by defeating the Empire instead of... doing everything over again.
Yeah honestly he was the main reason why I kept watching the trilogy. Since the very beginning, I was shocked when seeing a Storm Trooper rebelling against orders for the first time. I was expecting a good development but unfortunately didn't happen. Actually I always considered him the main protagonist. Ray never took that position in my mind even after the last movie.
@@cylondorado4582 That would have been a major improvement. It was simply absurd to me that this 'First Order' could come out of nowhere and arise so quickly to dominate the galaxy. Look how much effort and time and planning it took for Palpatine to do it in the prequels. Then, some totally new group just shows up and takes over everything? I never bought it, and they never explained it. Your idea of them being closer in strength is way better.
...And holy shit, you nailed it dead on with the Lethal Weapon "two characters with conflicting personalities / qualities playing off eachother." If you're a drunk and can grok this aspect of story structure, the writers and execs must be tripping balls on adrenochrome and Draino to be missing it that badly.
Subi_fan It’s never about reality with these big corporations, just appearances. Wouldn’t be surprised if they did it with their financial records too.
@@joshuapowell6822 Nailed it Josh. By "financially supporting" whatever cause, charity, or protest movement which is contemporary and popular (especially on social media) they recieve reimbursements and lower corporate taxes. When a company advertises that "by buying our product you are helping to support _Enter_ _Virtue_ _Signalling_ _Cause_ as we promise to donate etc etc etc..." that donation plus interest is claimed back from the government. NGO's like the ones who "rescue" illegal immigrants from sinking rubber dingies in the Med play this tax fiddle all the time.
I like how even though Rose was a horrible character you didn’t just drop her. You gave her a good story line and made her into something all of us would look up to… something Disney thinks we should do just because of immutable characteristics.
I really feel for John, you could see in real time as he slowly realised he was only hired as a box ticker as was Kelly. Think of them as surface decoration. They don’t add much kind of like the script was done and we’re adding later as a focus group decided there needed to be more “representation”
The drinker calls himself an asshole but even when he's fixing a story he hates you can tell he's trying his best to make changes that still carry a lot of the original writer's plot points. It's respectful
Exactly. It’s the old saying, there are no bad stories, just bad story tellers. And REE-Ann Johnson is a bad story teller in this film. The drinker takes a story poorly told and respectfully fixes the execution, proving that the old saying is true!
There was so much potential there though. I wanted a stormtrooper rebellion, and we got that at the end, but hobbled onto a dying trilogy with no thought put in.
@@jonbaxter2254 Agreed. I didn't like a lot from the new trilogy but Finns story coming out of TFA could have gone in so many great and unpredictable directions and it went in the most irrelevant one. Not surprised considering everything but still a squandered opportunity.
Yeah, I actually can see him latching on to Rey to some extent, given stormtrooper indoctrination towards loyalty. Essentially breaking from the order, but still needing something to latch onto. I can think maybe similar to a Han and Chewie dynamic But, that doesn't he has to be useless, a stormtrooper is still supposed to be a friggin highly trained soldier. He could handle his own. And could be used in a variety of mission types. But, is there any character here not a waste
@Gerry C Unfortunately, not really. Most of the movies he's in (that I've seen) are crap or are mediocre... He just has moments where you can tell there's something there.
@@spartanhawk7637 here’s the thing you have to be able to take risk for example Marvel with RDJ they took a risk and it paid off and I feel with actual thought they definitely could’ve made one hell of a star wars movie
Maaaan, it’s almost like the idea of a strong black male lead regaining his humanity and rising up to fight his former slavers kind of scares them.. Huh. 👀
It's almost like the fact that he's black is irrelevant and the screenplay was written by morons who fundamentally miss the potential of his character.
Your idea and description of Finn turning the ship around and being suggested as "The Last Jedi" literally gave me chills. As did your new rock moving scene. Ugh, why can't we have nice things?
Would of rather had Finn be the next Jedi. Already got his weapons trainer so no worry there. His whole arc could of been about finding peace in him self after all he's been through and learning the force and going on a quest to free those brainwashed by the First order. I personally would of found that more interesting.
I actually think he definately should have been the protagonist but not a Jedi. He was wholly original and interesting concept in The Newer Trillogy (and those are very few and far in between). A human face on the thousands of those faceless goons who die cashually left and right (making him far more subversive than anything Ryan Johnson could write). They could have developed him in ways entirely different than yet "another secret jedi no one knew about #345,789,654". But, no. Instead we have to give more screen time to the embodiment of "Starbucks Pumpkin Spice Latte" that is Rey (the other secret jedi no one ever knew about #764,890,521". Hell have him combine his weapons training from Storm Troopers with guerilla tactics from the Rebels (get that 'resistance' bullshit OUTTA MY FACE) and in someways make that able to outclassed jedi training and Tactics. If you make him yet another Jedi, and the only way to move the plot forward is because he's the billionth hidden jedi, then That cheapens Jedi because the're not exactly the rare and exotic warriors the're portrayed as (because apparently EVERYONE is a jedi when the plot demands it). Also it cheapens his character by just giving him super natural powers to fill any plot gap (and we saw how that turned out with 'I demand to speak to the manager!' Rey).
The character was meant to have been trained since childhood to nearly the same standards as a clone trooper. He should have been a steely warrior Like Captain Rex advising the resistance and struggling to adapt outside the Storm trooper corps. Instead he’s just another Jar Jar.
I mean stormtroopers didn't have nearly the level of training or prowess that clones did. they were suppose to be a more affordable replacement for the clones, they weren't exactly better on the battlefield just better on the wallet.
@@TheMatthew001 the Empire Storm troopers were meant to be low grade meat shields making up with their lack of skill through sheer numbers but the First order troopers were based off the clone trooper training model. Lack of numbers compensated by first rate but brutal training from infancy. If Finn was an Imperial Storm trooper I’d sort of understand his clumsiness but this film screwed the character. Bear in mind he managed to take a lump out of Kylo Ren as a non force user with a light saber. Even Mandalorians fully tool up for such a job. Then they turn him into Jar Jar. You could still have had the humour with him and Poe with Finn being strait laced and initially humorless and Poe wisecracking like the old Arnie film Red Heat. Such a waste.
@@TheMatthew001 in the original trilogy timeline sure, but anyone with brain cells (in Disney looks like anyone have brain cells) will think that someone kidnapped to be trained since childhood could be a hardened and lethal soldier, not at the same level than a Clone Soldier but yes better than the original ST, but of course, then we remember that in the Orignal trilogy, in the final movie, the best troops of the emperor were beaten by kiddie bears.
This would have fixed near all characters. Poe is still a wanker and we don’t know if the force would still have flown Leia back into a ship and then magically revived her after absolutely being dead. All cells in her body having been irreparably destroyed from absolute zero. Her blood boiling and rupturing so many blood vessels before then freezing.
I like the Rose sacrifice concept. She could have been struggling with her grief of losing her sister, trying to understand why she did what she did sacrificing herself to help the Resistance, and ultimately deciding to do the same thing. Then having it have an affect on Finn losing someone he grew close to. I Would have actually liked the character if they could have had the balls.
That was the moment the sequel trilogy lost me. "Okay, new character, a Storm trooper, a black stormtrooper, so not a Jango clone. Oh he has empathy, and regret, and violence seems abhorrent to him... Oh and now he's slaughtering the only people he's ever known by the dozens with a smile on his face."
OK, did anyone else get emotional over the Drinker's narration on what Rose's last words would have been? Because, I definitely got a little water in my eyes picturing it.
I have always felt that Finn and Ray should have been amalgamated into a character called Finn... with all the traits and back story of Finn. who is also the Main character of the Sequel Trilogy.
I've said it many times, à former stormtrooper, that discover he's force sensitive and defect to be effectively "the last jedi" would have been awesome.
FIN and REY, both as Jedi? I mean, isn’t it what we all expected and everyone would have loved? It pretty much writes itself. How could they screw it up so badly?
It is a interesting story I would be fine with only Ray as a force sensitive But than Finn shouldn't have these force hints I am fine with a dark, scared Finn, funny Poe and how drinker fixed Ray. So mistrusing and selfish at times Or what I read: a finn who tries to be a pacifist because he knows that the stormtroopers don't have a choice
I was actually hoping in TFA that Finn was force-sensitive myself. I liked Finn more than I liked Rey. I felt that Rey didn't earn all that skill and talent.
I really like how in the Drinker's version, the title of the movie turns out to refer to two people, since the word Jedi can be both singular and plural. How's that for 'subverting expectations'?
Great video and loved your ideas for re-writing Finn in TLJ. I will forever be salty with how badly Disney, Rian, and even JJ wasted Finn. John Boyega deserved so much better. Hell, the entire cast all deserved so much better.
I'm getting chills thinking of the charge on the ram. Instead of robbing Finn of the one thing he could've done, it would neatly close down Rose's arc, looping back to her own sister's sacrifice, while allowing Finn to still be a hero. He, along their quest, taught her about the greater good. It could've been epic.
The whole Disney trilogy should have been about Fin: A stormtrooper breaking free, discovering his force powers, training to be a Jedi, under the real Luke Skywalker and eventually inspires a rebellion within the first order itself. Granted there would be more going on but, ah well!
That would be very nice... Rey and Finn training with Luke, but then in the end Rey goes to the dark side, and Luke manages to pull Kylo from the dark side, and put Finn and Ben Solo, fighting Snoke, Palpatine and Rey in the last movie... That would been amazing...
@@LordPaulusCobris The Rise could have been Rey’s redemption in the final battle, destroying her grandfather to save the only person that ever gave a shit about her.
Did your best for Rose? That is an understatement. I genuinely love your version of her. The moment you went into her sacrifice my heart sank. INCREDIBLE!!
@@boodtwo4342 we can assume Rey just keeps it a secret after Kylo dies so it’s happily ever after. All respect to Daisy, Rey is the most hate-able character that we were supposed to like. Poor Boyega thought he was at least gonna get a smooch scene with her but nope, they reduced him to a side-plot side character.
Jesus Christ I got goosebumps listening to this. This is such good writing. I wish this happened!!!! (it even inadvertently fixes Rose and makes her noble and not annoying)
@Jerry Wallace force redacted was bad but could have been salvaged by a competent writer who gave a shit. RJ was not that writer. Not that Krazy KK would have allowed a good writer to save Starwars
TLJ was a turning point for me. I saw it with my brother and my wife, and on the way home my brother and I tried to convince ourselves that we liked it. But then my wife said, "What are you guys talking about? That movie sucked." She didn't have the attachment to Star Wars that my brother and I had, so she was able to see things more clearly. My brother and I had so desperately wanted it to be good, but we soon had to accept the truth. It was in that moment that I knew I was done with Star Wars, and I haven't seen a SW movie since. If this had been the script, though, I might still be a SW fan.
On the topic of having both Finn and Rey as the dual protags, I always thought it would have been cool if Rey was more gifted in the force techniques like mind tricks, moving things, etc and then Finn would be more gifted in the combat side like a Jedi knight. Also would’ve been cool if he wore a modified stormtrooper outfit with his helmet with the blood marks as his symbol, the he uses his gun skills and lightsaber in tandem, would’ve made for a cool final battle against phasma
I think if they both had very small use of the force but Finn can build his up more. I wish Rey was kept as a nobody or even if they made Kylo and Rey twins and not love interests. So Rey actually has a bigger and understandable reaction to Han Solo being killed. If Rey could only use physical force in very intense moments but can use the mental version. Idk. Anything could be better than the actual movie
"You knew what to do with Daisy Ridley. You knew what to do with Adam Driver." I would argue that no, they did not know what to do with either of them. They didn't know what to do with Star Wars in general.
Bad writing on all the characters. Kylo Ren was supposed to be oh- -so- powerful but the writers never shown him really fucking shit up. Plus Fin held his own against him and even Rey with no training managed to defeat him. It was just ridiculous. Rey? Well she was extremely powerful without no training, could do everything and knew everything. Had no personality. Bad, bad writing all around.
@Farhiya Jama of course not, a joke has the decency to have a punchline whereas those two didn’t have one. The entire sequel trilogy had even worse concept and execution than the prequels did.
Boyega actually said they made Adam's and Daisy's characters "nuanced" LMAO. Dude's just salty he was a token black man, not that the writing was bad. He would have loved to be the Gary Sue, "why was this about female rather than black empowerment??????"
I got goosebumps at the end when you described Finn helping Rey lift the rocks. The entire trilogy hinted at both of them being Jedi, reminiscent of Jacen and Jaina Solo. The reason your end to the film would have been so amazing is because we know Jacen becomes Darth Caedus so in preparation for the final movie we’d question whether or not one of them was going to turn like in legends, keeping us excited to see it!
Well, working within the shitty boundaries of the rest of the film it's very good. This plus how he fixed Rey and Luke is how I will remember the film and I'll make up my own episode IX
How “brilliant” is it if this guy doesn’t even realize the ultra important fact that those last 3 major Star Wars movies _were made bad on purpose?_ That those characters who were made bad or destroyed by the movies writers/producers, for example, were made bad or destroyed ON PURPOSE?
Alternate idea: Finn empathizes with the storm troopers, having been one, and essentially spends the entire trilogy trying to do a guile hero no-kill pacifist run through the war while everyone tells him that's stupid, even as he tricks his way through a bunch of scenarios. Then at the end he convinces the old troopers to rebel against the new Sith troopers, beating Palpatine and rebuilding the rebellion in one move by literally starting a rebellion on his own.
It's so wrong. Finn easily had the coolest backstory that they could have done so much with in those movies and they turned him into the token black guy from Not Another Teen Movie. All they left out was him yelling "Blang blang!" "Damn!" "Shit!" and "That is whack!"
The worst part is, he was meant to make a diverse cast and to represent black people star Wars in an inclusive and interesting way, but ended up as comic relief as so many other black characters did.
I feel like in Rise of Skywalker, in that moment where Finn is holding on to Jana as the ships tilt she should've slipped from his grasp only for him to reach out and pull her hand back up to his with the force. Would've been an actual payoff for all those moment of Finn apparently almost telling Rey he was force sensitive.
This... is pretty much how I was imagining Finn after The Force Awakens came out. That's who I wanted him to be. I liked his character and had hoped it would be used well. It wasn't but for my he's still my favourite character from TFA.
Yeah Disney played him. He just cut ties with them . Also Disney knew exactly what they were doing. Used him to give more power to Rey. Some think its about race. But no it's about masculinity
Finn is whatever the writers need him to be at that particular moment. Which unfortunately is screaming Rey or as a joke acting a clown. Imagine if Finn was actually a competent soldier, using strategy and skills and military knowledge to the resistances advantage ... Except we get a janitor! Sorry Drinker unless you can change that he was a janitor his 'character' is forever damned.
Maybe he was made a janitor as a disciplinary action because he was showing too much independent thought and had to be thought subservience, while he was top of his class because of said independent thought, or something like that. I'm thinking like Steven Seagal's Casey Ryback from Under Siege. That way the janitor plot point remains intact, as are the rules of the fix, and there is an actual reason for him to be on a mission with Kylo, since he would be a competent soldier, but due to a trait that the First Order actively despises and is trying to break. It could even be played out that at first he hates himself for deserting and still thinks that he is in the wrong for being too independent, but when the resistance finds him and accepts him for who he is, he finds a new family in them. So now he is fighting for a new family and not so that he can scream about Rey in every second scene he is in. That way you also show how the First Order's inability to accept people makes them throw away a valuable soldier that ends up feeding vital information to the Resistance, simply because they treat him as a human being instead of as a defective tool. This makes him an even more plot important character as he becomes the personification of what is wrong with the First Order on an interpersonal level, instead of making him the but end of half the jokes in the movie.
I was actually very interested in Finn in the first movie. He seemed like a good character that should have been the main protagonist since he had such a better backstory.
damn straight. Only thing that ittitated me was how easily he turned on his former comrades and just started blasting them down. Other than that I loved the potential he presented. I would have loved to watch a trilogy just about his journey and the implications of "humanized" Stormtroopers. So much potential for meaningful moral conflict between Poe and Finn when it comes to killing Stormtroopers... this could have been so much better :(
Dude this was moving. Inspiring. It actually felt like a real story with stakes and characters. I actually cared about your Rose and liked her and felt something when she flew into the cannon. Finn being a Jedi is powerful. What a waste is right!
"But just as he's approaching, Rose moves in front of him, forcing him aside so that she can ram the cannon herself. Her final words to him are that she's let go of her hatred now. She's not doing this to destroy the First Order, but to protect the people she cares about. She thanks Finn for helping her to see the difference, before crashing into the cannon and destroying it." No way, dude! You actually found a way for that terrible line to work so much better!
@Gerry C If you, listened to the video, it was more than that and the stungun part didn't happen, but I get what you're saying. Perhaps he's referring to other unmentioned people, like those oppressed people on Corasant(sp.)?
I feel like Finn not being used as what he was setup to be is the MOST TRAGIC of offenses from these movies. He had some top tier High Concept setup that was thrown straight in the Trashcan. 😭
This made Finn a much better character overall. Also, rose dying this way is way more meaningful than the way JJ “killed” her off in episode 9. He practically ghosted her in that entire film.
Agreed, this doesn’t only fix Finn, it makes Rose likeable. She was shafted from 3 anyway, why not send her out as a short experienced but beloved character instead of an annoying troll?
Hell, if you wanna have Rose in episode 9 then make it so Finn is also teaching her over the course of the film in all aspects of Stormtrooper work, so that when she makes the sacrifice she instead ejects at the last second, still stopping the cannon but barely surviving the explosion and escaping in a First Order ship.
I actually got shivers when you described Rose's death and then Finn helping Rey move the boulders at the end. That would have been so much more satisfying than what we actually got.
Drinker's version makes so much more sense. Of course you're not gonna sacrifice a main character, but it's the perfect end for a side character with an already existing tie to sacrificing for the greater good.
Finding ways to improve "The Last Jedi" is like looking for sand at a beach. Anyone with any functioning sense, and more brain power than a cock roach is going to be successful.
Finn was turned into a JANITOR by a loudmouth hack who screamed about supposed racism in the fandom whenever his "masterpiece'" was being criticised ! Ironically, Ruin's said rape of Finns character arc was one of the things fans hated the most !
@@Danko_Sekulic I feel like making the black guy a joke was in itself kinda racist. It reminded me of something Dave Chappelle said about black actors and how movie writers/directors always try and make them wear a woman's dress in a movie at some point in their careers. To me that is what they did to John Boyega. They made him a absolute joke. They metaphorically made him wear a dress and be a "haha he is so stupid and dumb" kind of character.
Ah Finn, a potential protagonist that could have been a great Jedi; instead became the pet of the MaRey Sue. Truly a depressing fate, he’s now a bigger joke than Jar Jar was in TPM.
Yeah but what makes him worse is that he had the potential to be a good character, with those two you knew right out the gate that they were gonna be terrible.
My issue with Finn is he was raised since birth to be a soldier, yet he acted like any normal person? He didn't act like a harden soldier. He acted like you said cowardly or comical half the time. They ended up wasting what could have been an interesting and complicated character who struggled to function around normal people.
@terbear, it is for those reasons I couldn't understand why people thought he was a "good" character. In TFA I am thinking the whole time he should be like Kurt Russell in Soldier, or the unsullied in asoiaf.
Not only a soldier but one completely brainwashed by 1st order propaganda and trained to stoically kill and die without questioning. His first interaction with Rey is "Gotta boyfriend?" How does he even know that boyfriends exists? If he had said it not in awkward flirting but asking an awkward question based on 2nd hand information he'd heard from a propaganda movie Imagine. His first interaction is to demand Rey take him the rebel leader so he can defect. Rey realizing Finn is way over his skis gets him of the streets. In her hideout this conversation occurs Finn-You have a boyfriend? Rey-Umm no. Finn-How is that so? All women have boyfriends. Rey- No. They all don't. Where did you heard that? Finn- We have detailed information about how the rebels and their sympathizers live their lives. Since you do not have a boyfriend I will be your boyfriend Rey- (Laughs) Thats not how it works.
@@grinningchicken there was more charm and personality in that comment than then entirety of these movies. Especially anything from the sad plank of wood that is Rey.
I love it, especially with your previous suggestions of Flinn's personality and conflict. Can we also also add a few lines of dialogue between General Huff and a bridge officer please? "We don't have time for this. Lieutenant" General Huff. (I know it's Hux) "Yes sir?" Lt. "I want five ships to jump out to the nearest neighbouring system and jump back right on top of that fleet. That should settle this in no time." Hux turns and walks back towards the main window. "I'm sorry sir but there seems to be some sort of localised interference in hyperspace, possibly emanating from the planet. Even if we jump out, it seems we will just end up landing in the same location we came in at." "That's absurd! Surely with our superior technology we can find a solution that doesn't involve us having to move through space at a {SW equivalent of a snail} pace after these scum?" "I'll look into it for you sir." "see that you do." Isn't that honestly all it needed to fix the utter stupidity of that original plot line? Otherwise the film would have been over in five minutes with them dropping on top of the fleet and blowing it to smithereens. This also explains the gargantuan supply of red (Kyber?) crystals seen on the planet.
Man I'm whiter than snow and I was pissed. Color doesnt matter. He could've been a great character and he was more wasted than the critical drinker on a friday night.
@@SirSoloSoul Somewhere I saw a writer (maybe RR Martin) say something like “I write a character based on their story and their actions and beliefs, the looks and gender and everything else is secondary and doesn’t really matter.” What a great concept for a character: someone who had a bad a childhood and was made to fight against his will and he defects, and also has some force abilities that he doesn’t even know about.
@@jeffroberts6428 That's actually great writing advice that I'll try to utilize ! Also great life advice , despite our gender or race we all have different backstories that make us who we are and we shouldn't be judged based on our physical appearances :)
im a white star wars nerd and i was pissed at the wasted potential of finn....WE FINALLY HAD AN INSIGHT INTO STORMTROOPERS but nooooo lets make him rey's flag bearer. SMH
This is why I cringe for the cries for "diversity". These people's idea of diversity is to have more characters of other races, but they refuse to write compelling characters for them. Finn was basically the same kind of bumbling buffoon black guy you'd see in a Three Stooges short. All that was missing was him claiming how he was _"s-s-scared of d-d-d-da F-f-f-force g-g-g-ghosteses!"_
Perhaps somebody should tell film makers that true diversity isn't just having people who look different hanging around, it's people who actually are different by their life experiences and personality.
The thing is the bare bones of the character are really interesting. A Stormtrooper that breaks out of this brainwashing and joins the good guys. Yeah, that's compelling stuff. Then they just crapped it down their leg.
In all honesty, what diversity should be is being allowed to tell your own story without being told what it may or may not include in accordance to a singular insular social clique. This shit is just different identities being pitted against each other because 'eat the rich' just hasn't had the right tone since the fall of the Berlin wall.
“ Forced diversity is essentially racist discrimination - handing out parts because of the color of skin or an ancestrally-typical phenotype. Have to let it happen organically. It ends up coming off “offensive” anyway, countering its objective entirely, and tends to negatively effective the result as a whole, sequel trilogy being an example. Sheet, my mother is from Colombia, and I don’t give a damn whether there are people of Hispanic or native American descent in the media I consume; if the story or lore calls for it, it will be there. Otherwise could not care less. Racism is in fact not as prevalent as they would have you think. Want it to go away completely? Do like Morgan Freeman says and stop talkin’ about it.
Brief outline of what I wanted for Finn: First movie, he wants to run because the First Order is so powerful, but he sticks around because of a girl. Second movie, he's sticking around because of friends, but keeps trying to convince them they should run because it is hopeless. Third movie, he's fighting because it is the right thing to do, even to the point of sacrificing his own life. You wouldnt want him to actually die, because you want sequel novels and action figures! But he has to show he's _ready_ and _willing_ to do it, just because IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!
I've noticed when it comes to portraying black men in woke movies, they're usually cast to dress up as a woman or just be the comic relief character. It's like the only idea of black men is as entertainers, either comics, singers or basketball players.
exactly,the only person i can think that goes against this trait is denzel washington and even then he had to become one of the most iconic actors before that
Fixing the whole trilogy: The main bad guy is Thrawn. Seriously. Disney had the rights to probably the second-best Star Wars villain, and were like, 'Naw, leave him on the bench'. Simple version: After Endor, Thrawn ends up in charge of the Imperial remnants, but its not until Kylo Ren turns bad guy that he realizes he can use this heir to Vader as the public face of his new First Order. This way, there's a fundamental Bad Guy tension - Thrawn needs Kylo for his lineage and Force abilities, but the impetuous Kylo knows he needs Thrawn's brilliance yet hates feeling like he's the puppet of this non-Force user. So now there is an undercurrent of "Wait, why are these Space Wizards running everything anyway?" running through the new trilogy. Expectations: subverted. Coherent bad guy storyline: achieved. Best character in the EU: rescued into new canon.
@@arnold3768 No, they're talking about Chinese people not liking black people. Check out the American and Chinese TFA posters. Finn is right up in the middle of the poster. In the Chinese version they shrunk his pic down and stuck it in a corner.
I thought it might be interesting to introduce a force wound into the story like Darth nihilus or Darth Sion (if you don't know what a force wound is I recommend looking it up but) basically when there's a massive loss of life there's a chance for the force to sustain a physical wound which someone can embody; they basically become an all powerful force god but at some cost. Nihilus the lord of hunger became practically unkillable but at the cost of having an insatiable hunger for force energy and power to the point where he wasn't really a man anymore he was just an animal going from meal to meal with little thought or planning. I liked the idea of rey or finn (possibly both) becoming a force wound after witnessing a whole solar system getting wiped out in EP7 it would explain their quick growth to power but it would ultimately cost them something; their humanity, their body etc etc or even make kylo a force wound so he could finally match the power of his grandfather making kylo starts to lose his sanity and begin confusing his life with Vader's. Anyway it's just a thought
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Hi just read the sad News that Sean Connery passed away 😢 today GOD'S SPEED 007 And RIP.
Hi Drinker did you hear the news about Sean Connery? He passed away.
Maybe you could do some biopics like Rocketman the Elton John one, love the video and I have read your first book and loved it, just a suggestion
Amazing job again! It’s so entertaining to see Rian Johnson’s stupidity exposed throughout the video.
Imagine if Finn was actually a badass soldier. Who became disillusioned with all the killing.
That's like asking us to Imagine JJ Abrams actually coming up with an original story.
given how dumb and childish the characters were scripted, i can't help but think Disney had strict rules to be "as childish as possible" because its a 'kids cartoon essentially' to them. So from that perspective all the characters are perfect. otherwise we are forced to consider that actual adult professional writers came up with this character development and plotting.... which is impossible.
yeah man, or something like a indoctrinated training that triggers when hes on danger, anything. the movie was a fucking joke to the fans
He could have also been used to humanize the soldiers of the first order. Preventing Rey and the rebels for killing unnecessarily. Could have been a scene where he begs them not to kill a group of soldiers fleeing or some shit, they ignore him, and it sets him up for a dark side path where he fights against Rey and Kylo (or some shit like that. Maybe he rejoins Kylo under the promise that the first order would change to be a better galactic republic). He is torn between his past of being a trooper and his past of being a rebel and has to decide, does he save Rey or Kylo at the very end of the film.
@@Infamous1892 Lost
Imagine being Disney and seeing a Scottish man half pissed on glenfiddich coming up with a better movie than the director who got paid millions.
Imagine?! I saw it. Twice!!!
Disney is a soulless corporation. They didn't bat an eyelash at what John Bodega said. And could give a fuck about a youtuber.
Only half pissed. Revoke his future independant scotish citizenship
Pretty sure they botched the sequel trilogy on purpose at this point. It's part of the plan to destroy Western Culture. Disney are shills of the Globalist Tyrants - Alex Jones, probably :D.
Exactly this. Only Im sure theyre not nearly objective and self-deferential enough to make proper use of his cogent insights and analyses. What a waste.
Rose saying “we fight by saving what we love” while the Resistance base is exploding in the background is peak comedy.
Seriously. I don't think I was supposed to snort so fucking loud in the theater when that happened, but I nearly choked on my beer and couldn't stop laughing. What a absolute joke...
@@courtneypaquette3475 Wait.
Beer in the theatre?
What the fuck dude.
@@courtneypaquette3475 who drinks beer watching a movie or being on the cinema? 😂😂😂😂
@@margarinesnatcher you don't have pub theaters? You're missing out man... $5 pitchers of beer, nachos and comfy reclining chairs. Literally the only reason I watch anything in theaters.
@@jhinabloomingflower807 I do! What other reason would I go anywhere to watch something? Lol
Finn could’ve single handedly made this series so unique being that he was a defected stormtrooper but they literally had no idea what to do with him smh
They started off well... but then China and their cultural hatred of dark skin... seriously, it's all racism and it's because Disney wants China's money but China sees skin color as a literal (not figurative, but literal) sign of favor. The purest are light skinned, hence women's make up and skin lightening treatments. The darker skinned someone is, the less worth they have in the culture, justifying the disdain nobility share to farmers and folk who work under the sun. Then there are different races beyond the Han Chinese. Is it any wonder they have put up with Western Europeans for so long as they have, what with the fairest skin of all, while simultaneously seething against anyone from Africa? Finn never stood a chance, not once Disney decided they shouldn't anger China by making someone with dark skin a Jedi...
He was even shown to be force sensitive in ep7 Finn being a stormtrooper turned jedi would have been amazing along side rae
Finn was totally the lost Skywalker in the original treatment. I'd bet on it. They knew what to do, but couldn't commit to elevating a male, not even a black man, to become The Hero. He was very Luke-like, who himself was never as "gifted" as his father with the Force. That was the whole point of Luke's journey in the OT. He saved the galaxy by sacrificing himself and holding to his values and wisdom. It was a spiritual lesson. We can't have that sort of thing these days.
@@cjwalker1593 Yeah exactly. It would have been so original. They failed the actor and movie. And Rose arc would have been soo much more too.
@@jtirri8842 No. It's forbidden. If you look closely, not so closely in fact, the movies seems to give the opposite message of what they used to tell, instead of using everyone's talent and habilities for à greater goal, were everyone have a part to play, they seems to be more preocupied by putting ones down while elevating others to ridiculous level. They pretend to be inclusive, but all they do is divide, woman against men, white against black, it's almost as if they can't conceive that everyone can do their own share, and instead, give us character that are OP as F, rendering the others useless in the process. That's why these movies are so different than the older movies. In the OT, I didn't care about lando being a black man, or Han being white because it was never implied that one was superior than the other. They all had their part to play, they were both agreable character that had realistic personalities, Leia was never portrayed as better at everything and either was Luke or anyone else. They were a team that worked together and it worked well. I don't know why they can't do this anymore. Now they seems to divide, portray somes as useless and others as space Jesus. English isn't my language but I'm sure you get the idea.
His job in the movie was to be black, and to be fair to him he pulled it off.
Shame because I would liked to have seen a scenario that if he had actually defeated Kylo Ren in that lightsaber scene, he would have become a brutal enemy of Rey and that might have been a small improvement?
@@deathstrike That's entering Mary Sue territory
@@JohnDoe-ji5wg Not necessarily, what if Kylo Ren battered and broken had transferred his spirit to Finn, making him more curious of the dark side and possibly either leading him to either Snoke or even Palpatine? He would have had to learn to use his force abilities and seeing Rey become a more and more Mary Sue, decided the rebellion wasn't where he belonged and revealing himself to Snoke, perhaps start a new Sith clan.
@Ruosong Gao Yes but didn't Finn manage to injure Kylo Ren? There is also some evidence that Finn IS force sensitive hence why it MIGHT be possible for a spirit transfer. Sadly this is Legends territory but Emperor Vitiate was able to transfer his spirit and rule the Eternal Empire and also Darth Nox did defeat Darth Thanaton with a combination of spirits she had absorbed and of course she was living. Also remember Finn IS a trained First Order Soldier so while he may not have defeated Kylo, he may have with additional training. Also Chewbacca did wound Kylo Ren (no spoilers) so you have to consider that too and we don't know if Chewbacca may or may not be a force sensitive himself.
@Ruosong Gao Well one I never quoted Vitiate, he was capable of transfer so the implication is that it IS possible, Palpatine proved it could be done. Two, I am well versed in SW lore hence why I used both Vitiate and Darth Nox as examples. Nowhere do I say I wanted to alter or change the lore in any way. I'm not a fan at all of the new SW and to be honest? I hope Lucas uses the Veil of the Force to retcon the lore and restore the original SW to its proper glory. Sigh I just simply thought a different outcome scenario would have been nice, that is all. Didn't want to have to debate the lore.
As a wise man once said: “There are two types of people. Those who like the new Star Wars movies and those who like good films.”
I’m guessing the 56 dislikers are part of the first group.
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Rogue u were always pretty much my favourite r6 content creator and now my respect for u has doubled. Legend
wow, one of my favourite you tubers commenting on another one's video with nothing in common. Cool!
One of your Dislikes is Ryan Johnson :-)
I liked TFA, TROS and Solo. TLJ is garbage, it’s the only Star Wars movie I don’t own.
Seriously Drinker, you have to tell us how this story ends. Your fixes for Rey, Luke and Finn are all fantastic and are clearly leading to a better finale. I would love to see how you would end the trilogy.
If he fixes the whole trilogy, I think I'm gonna use his solution as the new canon.
He just needs to fix Kylo, Leia, Solo, and Snoke, then the whole trilogy will have been fixed 👍
@@DouglasLippi Not sure what was wrong with Leia or Han I mean I guess Han could be a bit less of scoundrel but I don't know losing your kid to the darksied would but some distance between you and your wife. As for Kylo not a lot just explore how Snoke was manipulative, how he met the knights of Ren and seeing him as child sent off to lukes temple as ben solo took that as they feared his ability with the force, I believe even a injured conflicted kylo Ren would beat Finn like he did in movie but Rey doesn't somehow use the force like she has training but gets saved thanks to chewie blasting at kylo as Rey drags the unconscious Finn to the millennium falcon, it was only the destruction of star killer base that stops kylo Ren pursuing them.
@@themarsman5155 the way Han dies is an absolute disgrace, let alone the half-ass reaction to it by the other characters. Frickin Rey has a love affair with a guy that she witnessed murder his father??? And Leia having no meaningful relationship with her only son??? Not believable and makes her character hollow. And the Mary Poppins thing...
@@DouglasLippi Rey understood That ben solo is his true self and that killing his father made him conflicted because he regrets it, Luke doesn't hate anakin for what Vader did to alderaan. Kylo ren wanted to kill han to break the connection to his past as ben solo but it only drawed him closer to the lightside because ben solo was still a part of him. How, it's han reach out to his son because he loves him, definitely could've fleshed out the relationship more. I admit they should've showed ben solo and Leia relationship a lot more.
I feel that Finn's fixation on Rey could have been a strong character trait. Stormtroopers are brought up to be fanatics, so it could be that instead of being a fanatic about The First Order, he could be a fanatic about the first human being he could connect with.
And then make part of his arc being realising that that's not a healthy mindstate to be in, and forcing himself to learn not to do that.
Wouldn't that be Poe, though?
or perhaps that Finn's fixation is based on his latent feeling of the Force being attracted to another Force wielder, like how Leia and Luke found each other...
@@hellacoorinna9995 The cowards at Disney thought two men homo-romantically connecting with each other with their conflicting personalities was no good. Instead they let two lesbian background characters kiss and called it a day.
They could have made it like a Force connection/bond between the two. But the writers are stupid and didn’t think about the long term.
Finn - constantly marginalized and humiliated by Rose
Poe - constantly humiliated and marginalized by Holdo
Luke - constantly humiliated and marginalized by Rey
I’m noticing a pattern here...
Also, each character is allowed redemption through the grace and angelic forgiveness of a female character.
Finn - by Rose saving him and bestowing her forgiveness in the form of a kiss (as her actions appear to doom everyone and her soundbite is completely contradicted by the storys portrayal of the holdo maneuvre).
Poe - by Holdo suddenly and totally inexplicably given her previous treatment telling leia how much she likes him (in a belittlingly paternalistic fashion for maximal irony)
Luke - by Rey telling Leia (his force using sister who was WAY closer to him!) how Luke "is at peace now" (having done nothing to redress his fault in turning Kylo to the darkside, instead just taunting the boy he 'failed' according to the film).
Yup, the film is utterly vapid even in the implementation of its primary agenda.
Rian Johnson shat this out after a hangover, I can tell.
@@caleblim6890 At least he redeem himself with Knives Out. Also, he directed some episodes of Breaking Bad such as The Fly Episode and Ozymandias.
@@margarethmichelina5146 He didn't redeem anything. He put in effort for the likes of Knives Out because he actually cared for the project. He only came in to Star Wars to destroy it, which you might think I am joking, but considering his interviews even till today is to mock and antagonize fans who didn't like his movie, and the glee he had in creating a movie that basically split the fanbase, I say he didn't redeem anything.
@@margarethmichelina5146 Star Wars is one of the biggest film franchises in the world. Johnson poisoned the well and turned the fanbase against it. There is no redeeming that kind of failure.
Plot twist: The Critical Drinker is actually George Lucas and he's reading from his proposed script.
Not anywhere near crap enough to be Lucas in disguise. The Las Jedi is bad, but the Prequels were no better.
@@ilyanagalen9320 Even at its worst, the Prequel Trilogy was still the vision of an artist with something to say. Lucas' problem was believing his own hype and surrounding himself with yesmen incapable of reining him in.
I think having Finn go to Coruscant instead of Canto Bight is brilliant. It lets us see a familiar place without it being just a reference. We could see what has happened to it since the prequels. You could even make an excuse for Finn and Rose to visit the ruins of the Jedi temple to salvage some Jedi-related artifact that Rey needs to complete HER journey.
Instead, by going to Canto Bight, Disney wanted to make some blunt, preachy lesson about corporate greed. Yeah, Disney, coming from YOU that's really deep.
Not the comment we need, but the comment we deserve
@@anthonylipira9526 still, the Prequels were no better. There are some things I still like about the sequels. The Prequels did so much so wrong and so badly that they are not redeemed just because another trilogy exists which is also bad.
Finn and Poe were the two 'new' characters that not only promised an interesting story arc but who were played by competent and likeable actors, both utterly wasted and progressively destroyed in a vein attempt to make several female characters look more capable IMO.
Are you calling Boyega a competent actor?
@@Finwych yeah, I rekon given the right script he could do alright.
@@Finwych He's not a bad actor, so is Daisy.
Like Hayden, they tried their best with the script they were given.
It's spelled "vain attempt".
@@seriouscat2231 your too serious cat, but thanks.
In the first one, they were already ruining his premise. Instead of being a guy who did bad things because he thought it was right (or because that's how he was raised), he was actually just an innocent janitor. Then after the first time being put in battle, he realises the First Order is bad and quits. Also, in that battle he was affected by his fellow storm trooper dying in his arms, but 20 minutes later they're just mooks he can mow down without caring.
It bums me out how many different directions they could have taken Star Wars in, but they just chose a boring retread.
They could have done anything. Maybe there is another galactic civil war, but this time there are Jedi on both sides and Luke has to reconcile with that before passing the mantle to the next generation.
@@pikebasss Yeah, I've thought about that a lot. I think it would have been cool if the Republic and the First Order were closer in strength, but the First Order was starting to get the upper hand. So they're trying to defend the progress they made by defeating the Empire instead of... doing everything over again.
I notice that like he didn’t care at all that he’s killing stormtrooper who where probably brain washed like him.
Yeah honestly he was the main reason why I kept watching the trilogy. Since the very beginning, I was shocked when seeing a Storm Trooper rebelling against orders for the first time. I was expecting a good development but unfortunately didn't happen.
Actually I always considered him the main protagonist. Ray never took that position in my mind even after the last movie.
@@cylondorado4582 That would have been a major improvement. It was simply absurd to me that this 'First Order' could come out of nowhere and arise so quickly to dominate the galaxy. Look how much effort and time and planning it took for Palpatine to do it in the prequels. Then, some totally new group just shows up and takes over everything? I never bought it, and they never explained it.
Your idea of them being closer in strength is way better.
"...The half assed anti-capitalism message, from a company that makes literally billions of dollars a year."
Alot of that going around lately.
Fubar.
...And holy shit, you nailed it dead on with the Lethal Weapon "two characters with conflicting personalities / qualities playing off eachother." If you're a drunk and can grok this aspect of story structure, the writers and execs must be tripping balls on adrenochrome and Draino to be missing it that badly.
Subi_fan It’s never about reality with these big corporations, just appearances. Wouldn’t be surprised if they did it with their financial records too.
@@joshuapowell6822
Nailed it Josh.
By "financially supporting" whatever cause, charity, or protest movement which is contemporary and popular (especially on social media) they recieve reimbursements and lower corporate taxes.
When a company advertises that "by buying our product you are helping to support _Enter_ _Virtue_ _Signalling_ _Cause_ as we promise to donate etc etc etc..." that donation plus interest is claimed back from the government.
NGO's like the ones who "rescue" illegal immigrants from sinking rubber dingies in the Med play this tax fiddle all the time.
I like the boys but it did the exact same thing
@@Poopookachew1 Funny, I had similar character dynamic with mine SW Fanfic series.
That kiss with Rose Tiko still makes me cringe so hard.
Also imagine if it was the other way around or if he kissed rey,holy shit the backlash they wouldve gotten from the fake fans
I saw no consent forms exchanged.
Worse than the Reylo kiss?
@@madams3110 that's a good question. The Reylo kiss you could see coming, so I'd say yes.
But it was..."KISS FROM A ROSE on the grey"....Seal...batman soundtrack...I'm out...
I like how even though Rose was a horrible character you didn’t just drop her. You gave her a good story line and made her into something all of us would look up to… something Disney thinks we should do just because of immutable characteristics.
I really feel for John, you could see in real time as he slowly realised he was only hired as a box ticker as was Kelly. Think of them as surface decoration. They don’t add much kind of like the script was done and we’re adding later as a focus group decided there needed to be more “representation”
The drinker calls himself an asshole but even when he's fixing a story he hates you can tell he's trying his best to make changes that still carry a lot of the original writer's plot points. It's respectful
Exactly. It’s the old saying, there are no bad stories, just bad story tellers. And REE-Ann Johnson is a bad story teller in this film. The drinker takes a story poorly told and respectfully fixes the execution, proving that the old saying is true!
Instead of shoving off Rose, Drinker included her throughout the story, gave her growth, and led to a satisfying conclusion to her character arc.
Now he know how it feels to work on something he has contempt for.
Finn could have been the most interesting character in the trilogy, instead he kept reminding us Reys name
Wait, who? "Reeeeeey!" Ah, yes. Now I remember.
There was so much potential there though. I wanted a stormtrooper rebellion, and we got that at the end, but hobbled onto a dying trilogy with no thought put in.
@@jonbaxter2254 Agreed. I didn't like a lot from the new trilogy but Finns story coming out of TFA could have gone in so many great and unpredictable directions and it went in the most irrelevant one. Not surprised considering everything but still a squandered opportunity.
Not an easy task. She is the most forgetable character of the sequels......
Yeah, I actually can see him latching on to Rey to some extent, given stormtrooper indoctrination towards loyalty. Essentially breaking from the order, but still needing something to latch onto. I can think maybe similar to a Han and Chewie dynamic
But, that doesn't he has to be useless, a stormtrooper is still supposed to be a friggin highly trained soldier. He could handle his own. And could be used in a variety of mission types.
But, is there any character here not a waste
Drinker: “Go away now”
Me: watches yet another video directly afterwards
I seriously hope that John Boyega see this video. The guy deserves so much more. And the character too.
The worst part about Finn is that Boyega is a genuinely good actor and they just refused to give him workable scripts...
@Gerry C Unfortunately, not really. Most of the movies he's in (that I've seen) are crap or are mediocre... He just has moments where you can tell there's something there.
@Gerry C Attack the Block is a lot of fun and he portrays the serious brooding act he should have had in Star Wars very well.
@@spartanhawk7637 here’s the thing you have to be able to take risk for example Marvel with RDJ they took a risk and it paid off and I feel with actual thought they definitely could’ve made one hell of a star wars movie
Making Rey the Bestest Female EV-AR! is a higher priority than writing a good male character, even a Black one.
@@adaeptzulander2928 When it comes to identity politics, some people are more victims than others.
Maaaan, it’s almost like the idea of a strong black male lead regaining his humanity and rising up to fight his former slavers kind of scares them.. Huh. 👀
Irony
Bruh...🤦🏾♂️
This 😤
Based
It's almost like the fact that he's black is irrelevant and the screenplay was written by morons who fundamentally miss the potential of his character.
Your idea and description of Finn turning the ship around and being suggested as "The Last Jedi" literally gave me chills. As did your new rock moving scene.
Ugh, why can't we have nice things?
Would of rather had Finn be the next Jedi. Already got his weapons trainer so no worry there. His whole arc could of been about finding peace in him self after all he's been through and learning the force and going on a quest to free those brainwashed by the First order. I personally would of found that more interesting.
I actually think he definately should have been the protagonist but not a Jedi. He was wholly original and interesting concept in The Newer Trillogy (and those are very few and far in between). A human face on the thousands of those faceless goons who die cashually left and right (making him far more subversive than anything Ryan Johnson could write). They could have developed him in ways entirely different than yet "another secret jedi no one knew about #345,789,654". But, no. Instead we have to give more screen time to the embodiment of "Starbucks Pumpkin Spice Latte" that is Rey (the other secret jedi no one ever knew about #764,890,521". Hell have him combine his weapons training from Storm Troopers with guerilla tactics from the Rebels (get that 'resistance' bullshit OUTTA MY FACE) and in someways make that able to outclassed jedi training and Tactics. If you make him yet another Jedi, and the only way to move the plot forward is because he's the billionth hidden jedi, then That cheapens Jedi because the're not exactly the rare and exotic warriors the're portrayed as (because apparently EVERYONE is a jedi when the plot demands it). Also it cheapens his character by just giving him super natural powers to fill any plot gap (and we saw how that turned out with 'I demand to speak to the manager!' Rey).
The character was meant to have been trained since childhood to nearly the same standards as a clone trooper.
He should have been a steely warrior Like Captain Rex advising the resistance and struggling to adapt outside the Storm trooper corps.
Instead he’s just another Jar Jar.
They share the same jokes. Finn=Jar Jar.
I mean stormtroopers didn't have nearly the level of training or prowess that clones did. they were suppose to be a more affordable replacement for the clones, they weren't exactly better on the battlefield just better on the wallet.
@@TheMatthew001 the Empire Storm troopers were meant to be low grade meat shields making up with their lack of skill through sheer numbers but the First order troopers were based off the clone trooper training model.
Lack of numbers compensated by first rate but brutal training from infancy.
If Finn was an Imperial Storm trooper I’d sort of understand his clumsiness but this film screwed the character. Bear in mind he managed to take a lump out of Kylo Ren as a non force user with a light saber. Even Mandalorians fully tool up for such a job.
Then they turn him into Jar Jar.
You could still have had the humour with him and Poe with Finn being strait laced and initially humorless and Poe wisecracking like the old Arnie film Red Heat.
Such a waste.
He’s precisely another Jar-Jar
@@TheMatthew001 in the original trilogy timeline sure, but anyone with brain cells (in Disney looks like anyone have brain cells) will think that someone kidnapped to be trained since childhood could be a hardened and lethal soldier, not at the same level than a Clone Soldier but yes better than the original ST, but of course, then we remember that in the Orignal trilogy, in the final movie, the best troops of the emperor were beaten by kiddie bears.
Damn, this would have completely fixed Rose too.
Took the words out of my mouth.
it woulda made her likeable and actually meaningful, at the very least.
This would have fixed near all characters. Poe is still a wanker and we don’t know if the force would still have flown Leia back into a ship and then magically revived her after absolutely being dead. All cells in her body having been irreparably destroyed from absolute zero. Her blood boiling and rupturing so many blood vessels before then freezing.
Agreed. You'd have been gutted at her death...instead of wishing it had actually occurred.
The Drinker already gave a good argument that Rose was actually a First Order operative. By fixing Finn, Rose is now undeniably with the Rebellion.
I like the Rose sacrifice concept. She could have been struggling with her grief of losing her sister, trying to understand why she did what she did sacrificing herself to help the Resistance, and ultimately deciding to do the same thing. Then having it have an affect on Finn losing someone he grew close to. I Would have actually liked the character if they could have had the balls.
Bro you show more respect to Finn than the actual writers
Finn's character should have been the best character arc in all of cinema, then he turned into the token back guy. Really a shame.
I genuinely wished he was the main character. Nothing against any other actor, but he would of been way more interesting
The potential was there, they just screwed the pooch when it came to character development.
@Gerry C you say a lot, but have trouble expressing your points.
disney is a racist company, what can you do.
“Best character arc in all of cinema”?? Bruh, that’s a stretch
Finn has a breakdown seeing his comrades die in combat, and then in the next scene he's gunning them down with a Tie Fighter.
😆
🤔
That was the moment the sequel trilogy lost me.
"Okay, new character, a Storm trooper, a black stormtrooper, so not a Jango clone. Oh he has empathy, and regret, and violence seems abhorrent to him... Oh and now he's slaughtering the only people he's ever known by the dozens with a smile on his face."
“WOOO”
@You tuber Self defense LMAO.
OK, did anyone else get emotional over the Drinker's narration on what Rose's last words would have been?
Because, I definitely got a little water in my eyes picturing it.
Same, it gave me the chills
I have always felt that Finn and Ray should have been amalgamated into a character called Finn... with all the traits and back story of Finn. who is also the Main character of the Sequel Trilogy.
THAT would be an incredible arc of development for a main character. Excellent idea.
I've said it many times, à former stormtrooper, that discover he's force sensitive and defect to be effectively "the last jedi" would have been awesome.
FIN and REY, both as Jedi? I mean, isn’t it what we all expected and everyone would have loved? It pretty much writes itself. How could they screw it up so badly?
It is a interesting story
I would be fine with only Ray as a force sensitive
But than Finn shouldn't have these force hints
I am fine with a dark, scared Finn, funny Poe and how drinker fixed Ray. So mistrusing and selfish at times
Or what I read: a finn who tries to be a pacifist because he knows that the stormtroopers don't have a choice
I was actually hoping in TFA that Finn was force-sensitive myself. I liked Finn more than I liked Rey. I felt that Rey didn't earn all that skill and talent.
I really like how in the Drinker's version, the title of the movie turns out to refer to two people, since the word Jedi can be both singular and plural. How's that for 'subverting expectations'?
@@Noodles.Doodles that’s a really cool point lol, nice 👍
They teased him being force sensitive in TFA so hard, then he faded into uselessness in the later movies.
Title: "Fixes Finn"
The Actual Video: Fixes Finn and Rose
All it required was for her to die.
2 for 1 special, considering how intertwined the two characters were in the original script.
Great video and loved your ideas for re-writing Finn in TLJ. I will forever be salty with how badly Disney, Rian, and even JJ wasted Finn. John Boyega deserved so much better. Hell, the entire cast all deserved so much better.
This new version actually got me smiling thinking how good this would have been
I'm getting chills thinking of the charge on the ram. Instead of robbing Finn of the one thing he could've done, it would neatly close down Rose's arc, looping back to her own sister's sacrifice, while allowing Finn to still be a hero. He, along their quest, taught her about the greater good. It could've been epic.
The whole Disney trilogy should have been about Fin:
A stormtrooper breaking free, discovering his force powers, training to be a Jedi, under the real Luke Skywalker and eventually inspires a rebellion within the first order itself. Granted there would be more going on but, ah well!
It would've been the obvious choice, so the expectation subversion throatpunched that idea in its infancy.
That would have been baller.
@@RezaQin I’m not the only one that thinks so! You look around CZcams, you’ll find plenty of others who think the same
That would be very nice... Rey and Finn training with Luke, but then in the end Rey goes to the dark side, and Luke manages to pull Kylo from the dark side, and put Finn and Ben Solo, fighting Snoke, Palpatine and Rey in the last movie... That would been amazing...
@@LordPaulusCobris The Rise could have been Rey’s redemption in the final battle, destroying her grandfather to save the only person that ever gave a shit about her.
"Did you ever here the Tragedy of FN-2187, the Finn?"
"No."
"I tought not. It's not a story that Disney would tell you."
Is it possible to hear this story?
Yare Yare Daze not from a competent writer...
@@marcane6122 not from Disney...
@@marcane6122, especially not in China.
Is it possible to know how to make this possible
Did your best for Rose? That is an understatement. I genuinely love your version of her. The moment you went into her sacrifice my heart sank. INCREDIBLE!!
"enough to give my arse a headache" is one of my all-time Drinker quotes
“Real adult humans wrote this. Just let that take a moment to sink in.”
Physically or Mentally? There's a difference.
@@garrisonmoncher5461 True
That probably lived a life of luxury and was handed their jobs. I can't imagine working your way up and failing if you're given a project this huge.
I don’t count Ruin Johnson as a real adult human though.
That statement sums up modern Hollywood 😅
I can’t imagine Rey trying to explain to Finn that she fell for the guy that put him in a coma defending her.
Yamcha'd
Did Finn even know about Rey and Kylo? And if so, yeah, he’d probably be a little confused. Like, this guy nearly killed him.
@@boodtwo4342 we can assume Rey just keeps it a secret after Kylo dies so it’s happily ever after. All respect to Daisy, Rey is the most hate-able character that we were supposed to like. Poor Boyega thought he was at least gonna get a smooch scene with her but nope, they reduced him to a side-plot side character.
Apparentely Finn and Poe were going to be in a relationship xD
Does it make sense ? No... but.... whatever.
@@SirSoloSoul So Finn would fall in love with the guy who killed his friend?
Jesus Christ I got goosebumps listening to this. This is such good writing. I wish this happened!!!! (it even inadvertently fixes Rose and makes her noble and not annoying)
Finn helping ray to lift the rocks was legitimately beautiful!
God, Drinker, you gave Rose's character a good scene and ending.
Better than the ending she got in ROS, that's for sure 😂😂
She dies, and that’s enough for me lol 😆
The only fitting send off!
"Then a bunch of stupid shit happens" should have been the Last Jedi's opening crawl. Then roll credits.
wasn't it the Rise of Skywalker's opening crawl? or is that just what i read because i happen to speak bullshit?
@Jerry Wallace force redacted was bad but could have been salvaged by a competent writer who gave a shit. RJ was not that writer. Not that Krazy KK would have allowed a good writer to save Starwars
*unbelievably stupid
And this is what you get wen a REAL story teller/writer takes care of business.
Bravo 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼
TLJ was a turning point for me. I saw it with my brother and my wife, and on the way home my brother and I tried to convince ourselves that we liked it. But then my wife said, "What are you guys talking about? That movie sucked." She didn't have the attachment to Star Wars that my brother and I had, so she was able to see things more clearly. My brother and I had so desperately wanted it to be good, but we soon had to accept the truth. It was in that moment that I knew I was done with Star Wars, and I haven't seen a SW movie since.
If this had been the script, though, I might still be a SW fan.
On the topic of having both Finn and Rey as the dual protags, I always thought it would have been cool if Rey was more gifted in the force techniques like mind tricks, moving things, etc and then Finn would be more gifted in the combat side like a Jedi knight. Also would’ve been cool if he wore a modified stormtrooper outfit with his helmet with the blood marks as his symbol, the he uses his gun skills and lightsaber in tandem, would’ve made for a cool final battle against phasma
I would like that
Phasma another wasted potential
@@greenpenguin0763 phasma was just there to sell merch
Oh my God, that would be an amazing character
I think if they both had very small use of the force but Finn can build his up more. I wish Rey was kept as a nobody or even if they made Kylo and Rey twins and not love interests. So Rey actually has a bigger and understandable reaction to Han Solo being killed. If Rey could only use physical force in very intense moments but can use the mental version. Idk. Anything could be better than the actual movie
"You knew what to do with Daisy Ridley. You knew what to do with Adam Driver." I would argue that no, they did not know what to do with either of them. They didn't know what to do with Star Wars in general.
Bad writing on all the characters. Kylo Ren was supposed to be oh- -so- powerful but the writers never shown him really fucking shit up. Plus Fin held his own against him and even Rey with no training managed to defeat him. It was just ridiculous.
Rey? Well she was extremely powerful without no training, could do everything and knew everything. Had no personality. Bad, bad writing all around.
@@lavelle2911 Sigourney Weaver said it best in Galaxy Quest, 'It was bad writing'
@Farhiya Jama of course not, a joke has the decency to have a punchline whereas those two didn’t have one. The entire sequel trilogy had even worse concept and execution than the prequels did.
Boyega actually said they made Adam's and Daisy's characters "nuanced" LMAO. Dude's just salty he was a token black man, not that the writing was bad. He would have loved to be the Gary Sue, "why was this about female rather than black empowerment??????"
Well, Kylo is one of the best Star War chars ever. Sadly, he couldn't keep the movies from being bad.
I was actually moved by Rose's death in this version. Imagine that
I got goosebumps at the end when you described Finn helping Rey lift the rocks. The entire trilogy hinted at both of them being Jedi, reminiscent of Jacen and Jaina Solo. The reason your end to the film would have been so amazing is because we know Jacen becomes Darth Caedus so in preparation for the final movie we’d question whether or not one of them was going to turn like in legends, keeping us excited to see it!
This is actually brilliant
Drinker > hollywood writers everytime
YES! If only the Drinker had written this movie the franchise would be in better shape.
Well, working within the shitty boundaries of the rest of the film it's very good. This plus how he fixed Rey and Luke is how I will remember the film and I'll make up my own episode IX
Yeah that really was a MUCH better story arch for Finn than what that RoundHeaded moron put out
How “brilliant” is it if this guy doesn’t even realize the ultra important fact that those last 3 major Star Wars movies _were made bad on purpose?_
That those characters who were made bad or destroyed by the movies writers/producers, for example, were made bad or destroyed ON PURPOSE?
Alternate idea: Finn empathizes with the storm troopers, having been one, and essentially spends the entire trilogy trying to do a guile hero no-kill pacifist run through the war while everyone tells him that's stupid, even as he tricks his way through a bunch of scenarios. Then at the end he convinces the old troopers to rebel against the new Sith troopers, beating Palpatine and rebuilding the rebellion in one move by literally starting a rebellion on his own.
I don't care about star wars and think it's lame but this actually a very cool idea man
Finn needs a solo film.
Awesome idea
That's... Actually really good!
To quote Gus Fring, “It could work.”
18:22 now *that* subverted my expectations, but in a good way.
I never laughed at Fins “comic relief” during the entire movie
I love how they can call a bartender and talk to her while she’s having a gunfight but they can’t call a guy throwing dice at a casino table.
*sigh* there are just so many examples of this kind of idiocy peppered throughout these films.
McGuffin.
@@thejagman22
Oh man, I could really go for a bacon egg & cheese McGuffin right now
@@thejagman22 it's mcmuffin
@@nightghoul7368 I think something went over your head.
It's so wrong. Finn easily had the coolest backstory that they could have done so much with in those movies and they turned him into the token black guy from Not Another Teen Movie. All they left out was him yelling "Blang blang!" "Damn!" "Shit!" and "That is whack!"
"Wher da wht wymin at?"
Instead he just screamed "Rey" a lot.
(Also would give a like but you are at 66 soooooo)
The worst part is, he was meant to make a diverse cast and to represent black people star Wars in an inclusive and interesting way, but ended up as comic relief as so many other black characters did.
I feel like in Rise of Skywalker, in that moment where Finn is holding on to Jana as the ships tilt she should've slipped from his grasp only for him to reach out and pull her hand back up to his with the force. Would've been an actual payoff for all those moment of Finn apparently almost telling Rey he was force sensitive.
This... is pretty much how I was imagining Finn after The Force Awakens came out. That's who I wanted him to be. I liked his character and had hoped it would be used well. It wasn't but for my he's still my favourite character from TFA.
Yeah Disney played him. He just cut ties with them . Also Disney knew exactly what they were doing. Used him to give more power to Rey. Some think its about race. But no it's about masculinity
It was about race for a bit though. Think about the the Force Awakens teaser and trailer. Hell, Fin was in the 1st trailer more than Rey was.
No it's Darth Kathleen Kennedy, Jar Jar Abrams and Ruin Johnson who played him....
It's not just that, China was a big reason why they sidelined Finn as well.
@@markwilson4686 ... Plus Kathleen's feminist agendas. She wanted "Super Rey to be the bestest eva!!"
Compare Lando in the original trilogy with Lando in Solo.
Finn is whatever the writers need him to be at that particular moment. Which unfortunately is screaming Rey or as a joke acting a clown.
Imagine if Finn was actually a competent soldier, using strategy and skills and military knowledge to the resistances advantage ...
Except we get a janitor! Sorry Drinker unless you can change that he was a janitor his 'character' is forever damned.
They still put him on the front lines, even some clones had garbage duties but they still went through kaminoan training
@@oshwaflz and to add to it, im pretty sure real world soldier still have to clean their barracks ...
You're not wrong, and that thing is 6 hours of consistent "don't piss off china"
Maybe he was made a janitor as a disciplinary action because he was showing too much independent thought and had to be thought subservience, while he was top of his class because of said independent thought, or something like that. I'm thinking like Steven Seagal's Casey Ryback from Under Siege.
That way the janitor plot point remains intact, as are the rules of the fix, and there is an actual reason for him to be on a mission with Kylo, since he would be a competent soldier, but due to a trait that the First Order actively despises and is trying to break.
It could even be played out that at first he hates himself for deserting and still thinks that he is in the wrong for being too independent, but when the resistance finds him and accepts him for who he is, he finds a new family in them. So now he is fighting for a new family and not so that he can scream about Rey in every second scene he is in.
That way you also show how the First Order's inability to accept people makes them throw away a valuable soldier that ends up feeding vital information to the Resistance, simply because they treat him as a human being instead of as a defective tool. This makes him an even more plot important character as he becomes the personification of what is wrong with the First Order on an interpersonal level, instead of making him the but end of half the jokes in the movie.
@@JohnTrustworthy that was a good read. Better than what the movies did.
You're a genius. I'd watch that version several times over and over.
Even if it was C grade, I'd love to watch your fixes in a narrative sequence, Mr C Drinker.
I was actually very interested in Finn in the first movie. He seemed like a good character that should have been the main protagonist since he had such a better backstory.
From my first viewing I thought he was more of a protagonist than MaRey Sue
I don't know why I said "first viewing" I watched it once
damn straight. Only thing that ittitated me was how easily he turned on his former comrades and just started blasting them down. Other than that I loved the potential he presented. I would have loved to watch a trilogy just about his journey and the implications of "humanized" Stormtroopers. So much potential for meaningful moral conflict between Poe and Finn when it comes to killing Stormtroopers... this could have been so much better :(
Agreed
same. And John Boyega is a good actor... he can actually close his mouth entirely
I will say this Anakin flirting with Padme was better written then whole sequel trilogy
I don't like sand
True.
Teenage Anakin would be awkward.
Can’t say the same for an entire trilogy…
BUURRRNN 😅.....
@@kingofnothing4546 that line alone made me so wet
I've almost cried over this Rose's Story arc
Dude this was moving. Inspiring. It actually felt like a real story with stakes and characters. I actually cared about your Rose and liked her and felt something when she flew into the cannon. Finn being a Jedi is powerful. What a waste is right!
"But just as he's approaching, Rose moves in front of him, forcing him aside so that she can ram the cannon herself. Her final words to him are that she's let go of her hatred now. She's not doing this to destroy the First Order, but to protect the people she cares about. She thanks Finn for helping her to see the difference, before crashing into the cannon and destroying it."
No way, dude! You actually found a way for that terrible line to work so much better!
@Gerry C Finn?
@Gerry C If you, listened to the video, it was more than that and the stungun part didn't happen, but I get what you're saying. Perhaps he's referring to other unmentioned people, like those oppressed people on Corasant(sp.)?
Drinker: You are too clever, too articulate and too witty to bother with reviewing such utter shyte.
Still fun though
I think it's a worthy challenge for drinker to tackle such fucked up writing
I feel like Finn not being used as what he was setup to be is the MOST TRAGIC of offenses from these movies.
He had some top tier High Concept setup that was thrown straight in the Trashcan. 😭
Jesus, that would have been a fantastic movie, Drinker, you beautiful bastard
Boyega: what's my inspiration for this character?
Disney: We need you to be our "Chris Tucker".
Boyega: 😒
Oof you nailed it
Oof, and not even like Chris Tucker,but "Rhuby Rhod" Chris Tucker. LOL 🤣
@@ecmorgan69 damn it, now I wanna watch The Fifth Element, again
Chris Tucker was given more RESPEC in most of his roles.
This made Finn a much better character overall. Also, rose dying this way is way more meaningful than the way JJ “killed” her off in episode 9. He practically ghosted her in that entire film.
Agreed, this doesn’t only fix Finn, it makes Rose likeable. She was shafted from 3 anyway, why not send her out as a short experienced but beloved character instead of an annoying troll?
Hell, if you wanna have Rose in episode 9 then make it so Finn is also teaching her over the course of the film in all aspects of Stormtrooper work, so that when she makes the sacrifice she instead ejects at the last second, still stopping the cannon but barely surviving the explosion and escaping in a First Order ship.
I was so confused when she turned up in the third movie. I thought she DID die! Didn't she sacrifice herself for Finn? Ok, just unconscious I guess...
Do you blame JJ for abandoning that character? it was useless anyway and helped making episode 8 as bad it was
Finn's shining moment was literally, "Whoo!" Not to mention we were robbed of his heroic death to buy some redemption by being sabotaged by Rose.
Cool ideas I agree he is portrayed as a clown and your ideas make him much better
I actually got shivers when you described Rose's death and then Finn helping Rey move the boulders at the end. That would have been so much more satisfying than what we actually got.
This is the way. Amen.
Drinker's version makes so much more sense. Of course you're not gonna sacrifice a main character, but it's the perfect end for a side character with an already existing tie to sacrificing for the greater good.
You actually got shivers….
Sure you did.
@@SeanMacadelic - What can I say? I'm a sensitive kinda gal.
@@deborahblackvideoediting8697 i'm a dude and even i got a bit of the willies.
Finding ways to improve "The Last Jedi" is like looking for sand at a beach. Anyone with any functioning sense, and more brain power than a cock roach is going to be successful.
I vomited onto a blank page earlier today, when I looked at the page again I had better script than TLJ.
I don't like sand
A Cock roach? that sounds horrifying
They knew exactly what they would do with Marey Sue. They also knew what to do with Finn. They "Jar Jar'd" him.
My god where is this version of the movie, I need to see it now. What you've done here is absolutely amazing compared to what we got. Thank you
Finn got screwed because Disney didn't want to upset their Chinese overlords.
Don't underestimate Katherine Kennedy.
Star Wars got screwed when Disney bough it. And put a Woman in charge.
Finn was turned into a JANITOR by a loudmouth hack who screamed about supposed racism in the fandom whenever his "masterpiece'" was being criticised !
Ironically, Ruin's said rape of Finns character arc was one of the things fans hated the most !
@@Danko_Sekulic I feel like making the black guy a joke was in itself kinda racist. It reminded me of something Dave Chappelle said about black actors and how movie writers/directors always try and make them wear a woman's dress in a movie at some point in their careers. To me that is what they did to John Boyega. They made him a absolute joke. They metaphorically made him wear a dress and be a "haha he is so stupid and dumb" kind of character.
“Chinese overlords”
You make it sound as if Disney didn’t willingly sell out to the commies.
"like a golden retriever with minor brain damage" this one killed me
So he's like Dug from Up.
" I wAs HiDiNg UnDeR yOuR sHiP bEcAuSe I lOvE yOu"
Damn dude, you fixed everything in just a few minutes. Why couldn't we have a real, coherent movie like this?
Honestly, Finn was the best chance they had to have a character who actually developed and grew.
Ah Finn, a potential protagonist that could have been a great Jedi; instead became the pet of the MaRey Sue.
Truly a depressing fate, he’s now a bigger joke than Jar Jar was in TPM.
Rose Tico and L3-37 exists.
Yeah but what makes him worse is that he had the potential to be a good character, with those two you knew right out the gate that they were gonna be terrible.
Blame Darth Kathleen Kennedy for that...
Jar Jar was more competent and complex
She got Chewie as well - HOW MANY PETS DOES SHE NEED??? IS SHE A ZOOKEEPER???
My issue with Finn is he was raised since birth to be a soldier, yet he acted like any normal person? He didn't act like a harden soldier. He acted like you said cowardly or comical half the time. They ended up wasting what could have been an interesting and complicated character who struggled to function around normal people.
@terbear, it is for those reasons I couldn't understand why people thought he was a "good" character. In TFA I am thinking the whole time he should be like Kurt Russell in Soldier, or the unsullied in asoiaf.
@@kd67876 exactly
Not only a soldier but one completely brainwashed by 1st order propaganda and trained to stoically kill and die without questioning.
His first interaction with Rey is "Gotta boyfriend?" How does he even know that boyfriends exists? If he had said it not in awkward flirting but asking an awkward question based on 2nd hand information he'd heard from a propaganda movie
Imagine.
His first interaction is to demand Rey take him the rebel leader so he can defect. Rey realizing Finn is way over his skis gets him of the streets.
In her hideout this conversation occurs
Finn-You have a boyfriend?
Rey-Umm no.
Finn-How is that so? All women have boyfriends.
Rey- No. They all don't. Where did you heard that?
Finn- We have detailed information about how the rebels and their sympathizers live their lives. Since you do not have a boyfriend I will be your boyfriend
Rey- (Laughs) Thats not how it works.
@@kd67876 Soldier was a great film.
@@grinningchicken there was more charm and personality in that comment than then entirety of these movies. Especially anything from the sad plank of wood that is Rey.
It’s scary how much better your version is
I love it, especially with your previous suggestions of Flinn's personality and conflict. Can we also also add a few lines of dialogue between General Huff and a bridge officer please?
"We don't have time for this. Lieutenant" General Huff. (I know it's Hux)
"Yes sir?" Lt.
"I want five ships to jump out to the nearest neighbouring system and jump back right on top of that fleet. That should settle this in no time." Hux turns and walks back towards the main window.
"I'm sorry sir but there seems to be some sort of localised interference in hyperspace, possibly emanating from the planet. Even if we jump out, it seems we will just end up landing in the same location we came in at."
"That's absurd! Surely with our superior technology we can find a solution that doesn't involve us having to move through space at a {SW equivalent of a snail} pace after these scum?"
"I'll look into it for you sir."
"see that you do."
Isn't that honestly all it needed to fix the utter stupidity of that original plot line? Otherwise the film would have been over in five minutes with them dropping on top of the fleet and blowing it to smithereens. This also explains the gargantuan supply of red (Kyber?) crystals seen on the planet.
Us black geeks were extremely upset with this. Glad others noticed, and I love your story much better.
Man I'm whiter than snow and I was pissed. Color doesnt matter. He could've been a great character and he was more wasted than the critical drinker on a friday night.
@@SirSoloSoul Somewhere I saw a writer (maybe RR Martin) say something like “I write a character based on their story and their actions and beliefs, the looks and gender and everything else is secondary and doesn’t really matter.” What a great concept for a character: someone who had a bad a childhood and was made to fight against his will and he defects, and also has some force abilities that he doesn’t even know about.
@@jeffroberts6428 That's actually great writing advice that I'll try to utilize ! Also great life advice , despite our gender or race we all have different backstories that make us who we are and we shouldn't be judged based on our physical appearances :)
Ikr
im a white star wars nerd and i was pissed at the wasted potential of finn....WE FINALLY HAD AN INSIGHT INTO STORMTROOPERS but nooooo lets make him rey's flag bearer. SMH
This is why I cringe for the cries for "diversity". These people's idea of diversity is to have more characters of other races, but they refuse to write compelling characters for them. Finn was basically the same kind of bumbling buffoon black guy you'd see in a Three Stooges short. All that was missing was him claiming how he was _"s-s-scared of d-d-d-da F-f-f-force g-g-g-ghosteses!"_
Perhaps somebody should tell film makers that true diversity isn't just having people who look different hanging around, it's people who actually are different by their life experiences and personality.
It's called tokenism and we were well passed if for several decades, but now people want to bring it back. Just like segregation (aka "safe spaces").
The thing is the bare bones of the character are really interesting. A Stormtrooper that breaks out of this brainwashing and joins the good guys. Yeah, that's compelling stuff.
Then they just crapped it down their leg.
In all honesty, what diversity should be is being allowed to tell your own story without being told what it may or may not include in accordance to a singular insular social clique.
This shit is just different identities being pitted against each other because 'eat the rich' just hasn't had the right tone since the fall of the Berlin wall.
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Forced diversity is essentially racist discrimination - handing out parts because of the color of skin or an ancestrally-typical phenotype. Have to let it happen organically. It ends up coming off “offensive” anyway, countering its objective entirely, and tends to negatively effective the result as a whole, sequel trilogy being an example. Sheet, my mother is from Colombia, and I don’t give a damn whether there are people of Hispanic or native American descent in the media I consume; if the story or lore calls for it, it will be there. Otherwise could not care less.
Racism is in fact not as prevalent as they would have you think. Want it to go away completely? Do like Morgan Freeman says and stop talkin’ about it.
your fix is making me cry of what the sequels could've been
Brief outline of what I wanted for Finn: First movie, he wants to run because the First Order is so powerful, but he sticks around because of a girl. Second movie, he's sticking around because of friends, but keeps trying to convince them they should run because it is hopeless. Third movie, he's fighting because it is the right thing to do, even to the point of sacrificing his own life. You wouldnt want him to actually die, because you want sequel novels and action figures! But he has to show he's _ready_ and _willing_ to do it, just because IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!
"Real adult humans wrote thi-"
Ryan Johnson: Hold my pacifier
I don't believe he is human. Human's do not have round heads.
I've noticed when it comes to portraying black men in woke movies, they're usually cast to dress up as a woman or just be the comic relief character.
It's like the only idea of black men is as entertainers, either comics, singers or basketball players.
You're totally wrong.
You forgot being the first to die in horror movies so the others take the threat seriously.
It’s almost like they’re modern jim crow minstrels.....
exactly,the only person i can think that goes against this trait is denzel washington and even then he had to become one of the most iconic actors before that
@@felixbob129 well, there's a couple others. Samuel L Jackson, Morgan Freeman... but that's about it, so your point still stands
Don't forget been the De facto Sergent in both the police and military units.
Fixing the whole trilogy: The main bad guy is Thrawn. Seriously. Disney had the rights to probably the second-best Star Wars villain, and were like, 'Naw, leave him on the bench'.
Simple version: After Endor, Thrawn ends up in charge of the Imperial remnants, but its not until Kylo Ren turns bad guy that he realizes he can use this heir to Vader as the public face of his new First Order. This way, there's a fundamental Bad Guy tension - Thrawn needs Kylo for his lineage and Force abilities, but the impetuous Kylo knows he needs Thrawn's brilliance yet hates feeling like he's the puppet of this non-Force user. So now there is an undercurrent of "Wait, why are these Space Wizards running everything anyway?" running through the new trilogy. Expectations: subverted. Coherent bad guy storyline: achieved. Best character in the EU: rescued into new canon.
"Real adult humans wrote this!" Took a grown-up to point that out. Excellent work, Drinker!
He’s black and they wanted that sweet sweet Chinese Money.
So they sacrificed him.
God damn it Mickey
As is tradition when it comes to Winnie the Pooh bucks...
If you're talking about him getting sacrificed for Rose Tico in TLJ, well, that actress is actually vietnamese.
@@arnold3768 No, they're talking about Chinese people not liking black people. Check out the American and Chinese TFA posters. Finn is right up in the middle of the poster. In the Chinese version they shrunk his pic down and stuck it in a corner.
@@archstanton9073 oh wow, I didn't know that...
A black character on a ship called the Supremacy.......nice going Rian Johnson
surrounded by men all dressed in white, who want to hurt his neck
I'd like to slap my Johnson on rians face for this reason
Yeah, a black man in chains on the "Supremacy". Ooof. PROBLEMATIC!!
You do have to wonder if that occurred to him. I can see Ruin being a Nazi bitch boy.
Don't forget where holdo's suicide attack landed
I thought it might be interesting to introduce a force wound into the story like Darth nihilus or Darth Sion (if you don't know what a force wound is I recommend looking it up but) basically when there's a massive loss of life there's a chance for the force to sustain a physical wound which someone can embody; they basically become an all powerful force god but at some cost.
Nihilus the lord of hunger became practically unkillable but at the cost of having an insatiable hunger for force energy and power to the point where he wasn't really a man anymore he was just an animal going from meal to meal with little thought or planning.
I liked the idea of rey or finn (possibly both) becoming a force wound after witnessing a whole solar system getting wiped out in EP7 it would explain their quick growth to power but it would ultimately cost them something; their humanity, their body etc etc or even make kylo a force wound so he could finally match the power of his grandfather making kylo starts to lose his sanity and begin confusing his life with Vader's.
Anyway it's just a thought