The Drinker Recommends... Fight Club
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- čas přidán 15. 11. 2020
- So I'm about to break the first rule of Fight Club, because it's an awesome movie that I've been waiting to talk about for ages. Join me as I break down one of the most influential thrillers of the past 20 years.
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You forgot the part where Tyler blew up "Jack's" apartment.
Yes drinker
Please do True Romance. I guarantee it will make The Drinker Recommends list
You know drinker, you should really look at other Regency films. I can see you having a great time with Heat, Brazil and Once Upon A Time In America.
Was 1999 or 1994 better year for films?
First Rule of Fight Club: Don’t talk about fight club.
Drinker: nah it’ll be fine...
BOOM!!!!
The point of the rule was not actually not to talk about fight club, but rather to make sure that people did talk about it, but only to those that might want to be in it. This club was all about breaking the rules, even its own.
...And everything was fine. :D Maybe.
Actually, it's the first TWO rules of Fight Club...
Really a good rule even outside of the world in the story. Accidentally breaking the 4th wall with that one. Palahniuk doesn't even know how good he is
Remember kids, this was the movie that coined the term "snowflake". That alone makes it wonderful.
And possibly gave birth to the snowflake. Seriously this is the film that empowered Hollywood to finally let loose and start lambasting men on film. It flopped, but home video and DVD sales were strong.
@@spaceodds1985 I’m so thankful it hit cult status bc it’s truly a gem
@@spaceodds1985 "NOOO MEN ARE UNDER ATTACK BY THE MEDIA!!!"
Lmao, couldn't embody a snowflake more
I recall "snowflake" from elementary school in the 1970s. But at that time "snowflake" meant that we were unique, no two are the same. The connotation of snowflakes melting at the first hint of heat came later.
@@truenews8357 Nice bait.
"This is how I met Marla Singer. Marla's philosophy of life is that she might die at any moment. The tragedy, she said, is that she didn't."
Marla is also a part of the narrators psych. She isn’t real.
@@jessewatkins5059 I don't think so in this case otherwise the members of project mayhem would have been unable to physically abduct her surely.
@@joshuacropper5041 Well if she is imagined so would the abduction than
@@jessewatkins5059 She was also still there at the end when he overcame his split personality, and was used as a plot device to hint to the audience that there was a discrepancy between Tyler and the protagonist earlier in the film. I think she real personally.
@@joshuacropper5041 the members of project mayhem abducted her and the men at the men's groups responded to her when she entered the group for the first time if I remember correctly.
so yeah I'm with you, I think she was real.
I love how fight club itself represents gaining back what men have lost. But Project Mayhem is the extreme of that extreme. In their focusing of that aggression outside of the consensual fights, they become much like they were before. They are just slaves with different clothes, and a false sense of purpose. When the Narrator shoots Tyler, he just takes back control. He becomes the middle ground of extreme aggression and extreme emasculation
Literally the entire point of the movie is how bad men hurt themselves when giving in to toxic masculinity, when lashing out in frustration against a world they feel will put no value on them if they don't meet a specific standard. There is no action the narrator takes after Durden is introduced that is healthy or helpful.
@@chukyuniqul Toxic masculinity..🤮
@@chukyuniqul Nor was there any action the narrator took before Durden is introduce that was healthy or helpful.
@@fatal_error8397 they were far better than post durden what eve are you arguing about? Dude just needed to find himself an actual hobby.
@Darryl Revok stop huffing your own farts, Chuck Palahnuk himself has stated multiple times that the entire point of the book is to underline the toxicity of putting your pride before your humanity. If destruction and violence is the only way you can break away from being a soulless drone then there is somrthing wrong with you.
There's multiple reasons people don't wanna get drafted for war. Personally, I fucking hate the leaders of my country. Like you wouldn't believe. If I could piss in their IV bags, I'd drink a gallon of coffee beforehand so I have enough to drown the old gits. But especially in the US the sentiment is chiefly that it's not their business. I don't agree with that, but it has nothing to do with fear or manliness and everything to do with the persoective that There's plainly no reason to fight. In Russia, the people refusing the draft do so on moral grounds. Very good for them. To see it all as a matter of being brave or any other kind of shit is to limit a complex person's worldview for your own convenience.
I feel like this movie reverberates stronger and stronger the more time goes on.
Self fulfilling prophecy. The larger the population of nihilists, the faster the downfall accelerates
Hard to believe this book was written by a native Portlander lol!!
@@luckylepp6609 not really fight club makes more sense now than it did in the nineties considering the plight of men going on now
Do you think it's because society is changing, or that your perception of it is moving?
When will the torment and hen-pecking end?
Tyler's speech about the lost generation hits hard.
"We work jobs we hate to buy shit we don't need."
Buy less so you have to work less, retire early mate. I still buy too much shit but am in control more each year.
"You are not your fucking khakis"
@@DoesNotGiveAF I always thought he said 'car keys' which seemed a bit odd.
'Khaki's' makes a bit more sense I spose.
To impress people we don't even like
The one that hit me hardest was: “We’re the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War’s a spiritual war… our Great Depression is our lives."
The Pixies “Where Is My Mind” at the end just ties the whole movie together in a nice fucking bow.
Yeah. What an epic moment when the song reaches its peak and all the buildings blow up. Such a fantastic piece of art made there.
My favorite part of Fight Club is all the subtle visual hints throughout the movie about Tyler's true identity. Like when Tyler crashes the car on purpose, but we then see "Jack" crawl out of the driver's side of the car. Or how Tyler calls a payphone with a notice that says "no incoming calls".
Or the fact they have the exact same briefcase when they meet.
Also when Marla asked "Who were you talking to?" After Tyler fucked her it's implied that Jack / Tyler is talking to himself. Also, "Jack" said in his work when confronted to his boss, "Suddenly, Tyler's words come to me." And noticed in the beginning, Jack wasn't a smoker but then he starts to smoke ever since "Tyler" consumed him.
And Marla implied that Jack / Tyler is getting more passive aggresive to her and she has enough of his bullshits.
One small thing I noticed is that when jack is on the phone to the detective, the detective replies to something Tyler says even tho he shouldn’t be able to hear him as he is in the background.
There are also those one-frame flashes of Tyler Durden in the office, down the alley, and another place- before they meet on the plane. I didn't discover these until I got the movie on DVD.
Another example was the scene where Tyler is in the bath tub talking about his dad. I can't remember exactly how it goes but marriage is brought up and the narrator says "You can't get married. I'm a 30 year old boy." To which Tyler responds "We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need". Notice how the narrator says Tyler can't get married but refers to himself as the 30yo boy instead of Tyler. The slip up is actually a real phenomenon with people who talk to themselves due to losing touch with reality. This is one of the few movies that get better every time you watch it.
I've often thought if Fight Club was written in the present day, rather than destroy all the credit records they would probably destroy all the social media databases
That’s a great point.
The EMP will take care of both
Good point but both need to go down.
ALL media, not just Social Media. Need to go after central banks(the Federal Reserve), corrupt politicians(most if not all), Council on Foreign Relations, the Education system, activist organizations(and lobbyists, usually connected), the Intelligence agencies, the alphabet agencies, and then fight the culture war to restore sanity and American individualism. Fucking hell that's a tall order.
Watch Mr Robot it's pretty much that.
“Let’s do an all female Fight Club remake”
Uhh...why???
“I felt like destroying something beautiful...”
Yeah, how is that one going by the way?
Their was a newspaper (can’t remember which) that did ask that. Cause you know, women always hits, and fight each other
Never gonna work, double standards is so ‘wrong’.... Jessica Chastin should be in it.
Like Hollywood could write a flawed woman
It's called "Chick Fight" and it looks fucking terrible.
The best story about this movie is when the executives wanted the line “I want to have your abortion!” changed. The director agreed on the condition that they couldn’t complain about it again so they changed it to “I haven’t been fucked like this since grade school!”
Way to stick it to the man!
Second line is better anyway. First one had been a throwaway black humor joke for a while. Second was, as far as I know, new and unique.
As Hanma Yujiro says, "Fighting is about liberating your power. That cathartic release is impossible without exerting strength"
"Working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need". That line stuck with me when I saw this movie first back in 1999 and has stuck with me ever since.
@The Bandog fair enough, your point is well made.
You do make a good point and i agree. What i mostly took from that line is: dont be persuaded to buy things for no other reason than to buy it. Or because other people have it/say you should
@The Bandog what's wrong with being anti-capitalist? Capitalism is a broken rigged system that punishes many and rewards few
It's in dire need of a reboot if not complete overhaul
@@carybeweary7209 Its the not system that punishers people. It's those who have the wealth and power in the higher class to help the lower class who don't do nearly enough to help them.
@The Bandog I always view that line as more of a specific dig towards consumerism and materialism. .
“It’s only after we’ve lost everything. That we are free to do anything” - Tyler Durden
In this instance, that's Durden-as-Death-as-in-Nihilism.
Losing hope was freedom
@@imtm Hope itself was one of the Demons released from Pandora's Box, along with all the other evil in the world. Losing it feels incredibly freeing. With it, you loose your guilt, stress, expectations; it feels like someone was holding down both of your legs under water and drowning you, no matter how hard you kicked and fought. Then, all of a sudden, they let go, you break the surface and inhale the sweetest air ever. It's horrible and wonderful.
It’s true but rare that most will experience
My first tattoo when I was 18, and I don’t regret this message 🙏
Young me, 14, this movie was life-changing. It gets better every year as I work retail, deal with corporate bs, and feel Jack's angst all too keenly. I know this movie was targeted towards men only, but it resonates with me still.
Marla is a Queen. Her flaws make her more compelling. Give me more Marla and less She-Hulk, thanks
This is one of the best movies in all of the cinematic world. Well written, acted, edited, smart, creative and on and on. It is timeless.
Yup, timeless
"We're a generation of men raised by women."
That's more true today than ever, and it shows.
"I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need"
@@TheMasterGamer21 GAAAAY!!!
Thats actually a good thing.
@@zimonslot it's good and bad. Truthfully we should all have both parents in our lives and in the house especially during the formative years. Having just one throws some things off whether it's just dad or just mom. Now of course everyone's circumstance is different, people get sick or die, maybe some sort of abuse is involved
@@Icanonlycountto4 yeah true
"I am Jack's complete lack of surprise."
I believe you have posted the most relevant comment. Period.
*complete lack of surprise, but ok
@@HAL--vf6cg I always do that too. I'll try to quote a movie and then find out I'm one word off, even though the alternate word I use is a synonym for the actual word used.
It's usually not the most well known movie quotes I mess up though.
Fixed.
Almost every line from the script is quotable. And has some meaning, not just sounding cool. Exceptional.
Ever notice how when he calls Tyler from the pay phone, and Tyler calls him back, that as if zooms into the phone, you can clearly see the “No Incoming Calls” sticker that most pay phones in the US have, as incoming calls are blocked.
Funny that this movie and others like American Beauty, The Matrix and Office Space that were released in 1999, had the same themes about a male protagonist that were breaking free from the mundane white collar work and finding their own identity and freedom.
That was the entire premise of the James Bond franchise, launched when men were bound to our jobs, wives and kids and no longer able to travel the world, drink and screw exotic women.
Just a coincidence. Or was it?
I don't think the protagonist of Fight Club was on a transgender bender, like apparently Neo is according to the directors "siblings"...
American Beauty was the shit one of that batch. Author was probably just as leftist as the Matrix siblings but at least the Matrix kept the politics on the down low.
@@el_killorcure Sure the directors of The Matrix changed their gender and probably that's the reason why they attached such a meaning into the film. But it's certainly not originally about that, while it has really deep meaning and balancing your feminine and masculine energies are part of that. But having balanced energies/sides doesn't make one a trans, it just elevates your gender.
My wife saw this movie before I did. She told me to see it and it would be one of my favorite movies, she wasn't wrong. Glad I married her.
You have a good wife
Good. Now get her to cook something
@@Leo_prado So funny I forgot to laugh 😐😐
Lovely story, wish you the best👌
Your lucky ! I watched this the 1st time when it first came out on video with my girlfriend and another couple. I was 20yrs old, high on mushrooms with no idea what I was about to watch.... I got so sucked into the movie, it spoke right to me. Later that night as my mind and mouth whirled with new ideas, she told me she would never do mushrooms with me again....and I knew it was over. 21 yrs later, today April 7th is my 43 birthday, and it's still a favorite movie. Although I'm still looking for a Real partner, so cherish yours. Cheers!
Ps. Try " V for Vendetta" another personal fave !
One of the rare instances where I am never sure whether the book or movie is better. And the answer is: Yes.
Heard somewhere that the Author of the book said himself that he liked the movie better with the slight changed Fincher made to it. Can't confirm tho, but fascinating if true.
@@PemaMendez990 yes, he said it on Joe Rogan's podcast
I remember watching this film and seeing apparitions of Brad Pitt placed throughout the film. Just random scenes where he was standing in the background. Kinda like a subliminal message. His imaginary friend. Amazing
What's really cool is that Tyler's brief appearances are not random. Tyler begins to appear at all the points in Jack's life that he is unable to cope with: his job, his insomnia, Marla and the therapy groups. This signifies Jack beginning to form a new personality to deal with all the issues in his life he can't tackle on his own.
"Okay, now you're firing a gun at your imaginary friend. Near 400 gallons of nitroglycerin!"
This movie is absolutely perfect.
How do I see you in every comment section I look at
@@curt3019 SAME! From anime to politics to critical reviews and commentary.
Well well well if it isn't Loli. your new berserk video seems dope but I won't watch cause I want to read berserk first. love your content tho
Add to that the absolute perfection of Brad Pitt's bombastically spasmatic gestures as he yells "400 GALLONS OF NITROGLYCERIN!"
Hey AlmightyLoli
"We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is what we need." Tyler
Depends on the woman.
Though my mother was less than a good parent, my wife made life bearable.
No matter how shitty everything got, she made enduring it, worth it.
I'll always miss her, and this shit world is twice as crappy, without her in it.
A far cry from the "women" you find today.
Not really, they should add to your life, not be the reason for you to live it. That's dangerous otherwise.
Nah, it'll be fine.
tyler og mgtow lol
He was the bad guy. He was _wrong._
Great piece of trivia...MTV's movie awards gave fight club the "best fight scene"award for Jack against himself in the office scene...😃👌
This is my 2nd favorite film of 1999, only thing is the greatest science fiction film ever made came out that same year The Matrix. Both films are in my top 10 of all time.
Those are my two favorite 90’s movies as well.
i liked Terminator 2, Se7en and Shawshank as well from the 90s
1999. The year when there were so many computers in movies….
Brad Pitt: "If you could fight anyone, who would it be??"
Ed Norton: "William Shatner. I'd fight William Shatner." 😂😂😂
@CaptainAwesomesworld 60's Star Trek Shatner would make for a great fight. 🤔😂 They could play that Trek fight music in the background. 😂😂😂
I'd fight me.
And have done after one too many bleach cocktails.
Haha, the next answer is "My Dad," which William Shatner and Patrick Stewart were to a lot of kids.
@@Dr_Robodaz Clone fight!!! 😂😂
@@EyeInTheSky982 .
*Knee to the stomach*
*Double fist to the back*
This movie follows the main rules of filmic trascendence:
- Being actually smart and controversial without going down the pretentious road.
- A director that actually knows what he's doing, what he wants to do, and what message to convey.
- Characters that are memorable and resonate with us no matter when, why or how.
It is the same with what Stanley Kubrick did with, "A Clockwork Orange"... ;)
@@SogoTX yeah.
He is one of my favorite directors too.
true but it's more than that. arts in general try, or strive, to be syncretic, andt theater and cinema do it best. by "syncretic" I mean that the audience is a pyramid that is composed of layers of different cultures, beliefs, intelligence and so on. so when the audience watches a movie like this, or like "Clockwork", different people understand different parts from it. In other words, the top of the pyramid understands the existential problems within Fight Club, and the bottom of the pyramid think it is a action/fighting movie. As a form of art, it is not judging the audience, it gives something for everyone. And there are so few movies that do this, it's way harder than it appears and it's so unappreciated.
@@alexbolog3635 very true. And also because its director is not a whiny ideologue who'll drop the -ism card when its movie doesn't get viewers.
@@Badachelli considering that the entire movie is a satire and that most people missed that point - even with Chuck Palanuik broadcasting this fact for decades - yeah, it's better than "smart".
For an example of some of the depths of hidden gems throughout the film, lookup the history of "Paper Street" in regards to maps - it was a convention of map makers to include a fake/imaginary road called Paper Street as a means of catching out those plagiarising their content. When you combine this with the address on the business card, as well as that the number on the house itself differs from this (1B - "they only give letters to shitty basement apartments") you then realise that the whole house was nothing but a figment of "Jack's" imagination.
The "human fat" scene was way funnier in the book. Marla had been keeping the fat in the fridge so she could use it for lip injections. Her mother was the "donor," and the boys took it to make soap, pissing off Marla...But the punch line is that Tyler had been sending chocolates to her, to later be sucked out.
also hilariously funny and horrifying when you realize how sick fuck of a Narrator/Jack/Sebastian is when he was imagining all that shit up
Hands down, this is my favourite movie of all time.
I like many other classics, but this is at the top of my DVD shelf.
This movie is definitely more relevant than ever today,movies like this are a rare breed.
The movie was from one book of many by one Chuck Palahniuk . .
They just broke up a fight club in NYC a few nights ago.
@@sladewilson9741 If I was in that city I'd need to join a fight club as well to deal with all that chaos right now lol.👍
Can you name some other, rare breed movies?
@@Meloncholymadness Certainly, 1980s My Bodyguard starring Chris Makepeace comes to mind, O brother where art though is on my list, there's a great one on Netflix right now called Mute with Paul Rudd, anything with heart that doesn't follow the cookie cutter formula really.
“The Critical Drinker.” Is Will Jordan’s, “Tyler Durden.”
@I Tried This At Home The third rule: You do not talk about Captain Marvel (2019)!
Spot on!!
I buy the book, and I support The Critical Drinker.
@@markparkinson6947 4th rule: Kurtzman deserves death
It's a pen name. His real name is Ned Chavson.
This is the only movie I ever re-watched immediately after seeing it. Then I told one of my friends back then to watch it, which I seldom gave recommendations. Next time I saw him he said "you're not your fuckin' khakis" and he was hooked.
I watched it the first time when I was 19, in the middle of the night, after several drinks. It blew my mind, and it's been blown ever since. Every time I watch it it gets better, it's the most condensed movie I have ever seen, every line of dialogue is there for a reason, this movie has no filler content.
I remember renting it from Blockbuster knowing nothing about it, I started off a bit confused, then it seemed to all come together... Then it kicks you in the face and laughs at your missing teeth at the end. Brilliant.
Same here.
0:22 - 0:26 What the Critical Drinker actually does on the streets of Glasgow after a piss-up.
If this was made today we’d get a crap snl skit claiming white male rage.
😂😭
there was plenty of that when it came out. check out roger ebert's review.
Instead, we got the MadTV sketch, Fight Like a Girl Club
@@hoorayimhelping3978 He was a hack. Ebert wouldn't know a good movie if it dug him up, turned him in his grave, and buried him again.
But THIS IS white male rage. It's a commentary on it along with other themes, lmao.
"Jesus christ I miss movies like this" -Drinker
you are god damn right
It is one of my favorite movies and whenever it is shown on a channel, I watch it and although many years have passed, its message is still current and current.
a very interesting fact: the book on which the film is based is very difficult to find, especially in its hardcover version, so if you see it, buy it immediately.
The message of this movie is more relevant in 2020 than ever before. It’s ahead of its time for sure
Tell the incels and proud boys about this movie. I think not many would be convinced but maybe some.
@@truenews8357 Tell Burn Loot Murder and Cuntifa too, because they're far worse than both of those guys combined (Though to be fair, there are probably a lot of Incels in Antifa...)
@@truenews8357 Oh good. You're one of those trolls that go from comment to comment, but have no creativity. Boring.
@@redactedflinn6988 To be fair, Antifa's main stated goal isn't to be a masculine larp festival for insecure incels but ok. Right wing terrorism has consistently kills 2x or more of left wing terrorists every year but feelings matter more than facts for you it seems. Same thing with BLM and Antifa, they rarely kill anybody and the damage done my them is negligible when compared to protests in the 70s.
@@StonyDilithium Oh good, you have no argument, next.
“It’s only after we’ve lost everything that we’re free to anything.” Tyler Durden
I believe we call that a man who's got nothing to lose which is the most intimidating kind of person
"You Only Have Power Over People So Long As You Don't Take Everything Away From Them. But When You've Robbed A Man Of Everything He's No Longer In Your Power -- He's Free Again."
SOLZHENITSYN
My favorite line
Thats the only way back. All of us angry keyboard warriors need to lose all our possessions, then we will be free to fight for our freedoms.
@@dezznutz3743 Yeah in theory, in practice it's just a fantasy
I feel like every man reaches a point in his life where this story hits them completely.
The concerning thought is that some of them miss the point of the story and don't seem to realise Tyler Durden is the 'bad guy'.
@@Blisterdude123 Who decides what is good & evil though? Society and what did Tyler say about society? "Reject the basic assumptions of civilization..."
He is a guy who doesn't give a fuck about what others think about him. He follows his own moral code which is rather raw sure, but he didn't force violence to people who didn't wanted to particapate in it. It first started with the fight clubs and grew larger the more ppl flocked to the idea, the idea of rejecting a comfortable, but meaningless life.
The crucial question though is, did he intentionally cultivate a cult of personalty? I don't think so, although we primarily see Tyler trough the eyes of jack and therfore don't get the whole picture of Tyler's action, it is hinted in the movie that he is more of a thread puller always on the move and one step ahead. A Cult leader would put himself more in the spotlight.
He is neither good nor bad, he surely has anti social behaviour and is a sociopath but who decides that those characteristics alone automaticly make him a bad/evil person?
@@twistedmetal04 Tyler Durden is a bad person. Fight Club is about the Narrator coming out the other end of some serious psychological issues. He's a product of incredibly an incredibly self-damaging mental coping mechanism. That's literally what the story is about, the Narrator growing up and realising that, taken to excess.
I love the moment, when You first learn the truth about Tyler and then watch the movie again. It's a completely different watching experience the second time, all the hints are there, and it's just beautifully put together. One of my all-time favorites 🙌🏼 God how I miss the movies from the 90's...
A hint they put in that most people miss: When Tyler drives the car off the road and it crashes upside down, Tyler gets out of the passenger side and pulls the Narrator out of the driver side.
Here's the thing about Fight Club's big twist: it doesn't matter how many times or how many ways they foreshadow it because the movie's surreal and over-the-top aesthetic successfully lulls you into thinking it's all part of "the show". You don't stop and think about why he's seeing weird one-frame inserts of Tyler all the time, or why Tyler got out of the wrong side of the car after the crash, because these things don't seem out of place given the fever-dream insanity of the entire movie. I have to imagine this was intentional on the part of Fincher; he used hyper-stylized cinematography to obscure the clues he was dropping in plain sight.
@@wholetyouinhere It was intentional. In fact, there's a director's commentary where Fincher talks about how the continuity team noticed the "mistake" and were assuming they'd have to reshoot the crash scene (Most of the movie crew didn't know about the ending yet). Fincher told them never mind, he didn't want to reshoot, since he actually planned the scene that way.
Great catch!
Thats not the best clue in that scene. There is another much more subtle one that all the "clever" people miss.
One of the best movies EVER made. And it's still 100% relevant to this day. Nothing has changed since this movie came out.
It changed. A lot of Project Mayhem Tyler Durdans got in power all across the globe.
Things have only kept on their trajectory, and gotten worse.
The music has just got shitter
if anything the slippery slope turned into a cliff where crazy people are actively pushing people over the initial graient.
Yes, I agree. It had been going on long before this movie was made.
I'd only add that it should be three actors at the peak of their game, not two. Helena Bonham-Carter is every bit as vital to the success of the movie as Pitt and Norton, the wrong Marla would have ruined the film. (I should add that I watched it again last night and it is still one of the tightest, most meaningful movies I have ever seen. It's truly one of those "Once in a generation" movies.)
the ability to let the shit that don't matter truly slide.. greatest lesson in life
The part I liked most about the movie was the smart...they didn't assume the audience was stoopid. It's nice when corporate swab jockeys give you proper respect and make a movie that treats you right.
So true. It took me many rewatchings to pick all the little clues along the way haha
Very true. In some ways it was written for different audiences. I had friends who went to see it who saw it as a manly action flick more than anything, as well as female friends who saw it as a celebration of masculinity that they found almost erotic. And then there are the deeper themes of alienation and anomie that those of us raised in the same generation as Tyler felt our whole lives and that this movie finally put into words for us. Still amazed 20 years later that Fincher was given this level of creative control from a mainstream studio to make the movie he wanted, that almost perfectly captured the novel it was based on.
Fun fact: This is probably the only really interesting movie that takes place in Delaware.
"Hi...I'm in...Delaware..." O_O
@@theshipoffools My condolences.
@@theshipoffools excellent!
but does it, really?
Other than Hunter Biden's home movies?
Just found out about your channel this week and have watched probably 20+ of your reviews since then. This is one of your best. So eloquent and well spoken. Thank you for killing it.
This is my dark humor standard in film - absolutely perfect.
And, it's the only movie I've seen that I actually like better than the book.
I saw this movie for the first time last year. I was literally mindblown that it was so on the money about what’s wrong with men’s supposed place and nature in current society.
Then I got depressed when I realized that that meant it’s been over twenty years of society not listening to this sort of conscience.
I'm not arguing with you but what are you going to do about it? What laws do you want to be passed? What initiatives are you going to take?
I consider it primarily a cultural sickness. Cultures are tricky things to change and it can’t be done artificially. I consider personal development and outspoken honesty the simplest way to grow oneself into an opponent of such things. It requires constant iteration and improvement but so long as you can question premises, and otherwise play your own cards while getting through the system’s defenses, things will change at least locally.
And that’s inclusion critical of one’s own methods rather than hollow activism etc.
There’s no intellectual shortcut to engineering a better society. Such things are inevitably authoritarian. I’d be lying if I said I had an explicit game-plan, suffice to say I have faith in rugged individualism of a sufficient depth to stand firm against the motives of weak minded people as I believe to run society in the wrong direction.
If you can live up to being a good man, you become an enemy of malicious people simply be securing your own life and values.
Hard to say where that road leads, but I know somewhere other than where we’re headed is a risk worth taking.
*an that includes critiques of one’s own...
@@lamontkhoza2856 you cant fix something when you dont understand the root cause, you're wasting your time playing devils advocate like this because you're far more clueless than the guy you're questioning.
@@Vihara2 I never claimed that I knew more then him bruh. You're putting words in my mouth that I never said or implied. I simply asked a question of what he would do to fix the problems.
You've recommended this at a very strange time in our lives.
a time of strong diverse female characters.....
One of my favorites of all time. I try to watch it at least once a year, to keep myself grounded.
David Fincher is a beast of a director, he took a mediocre novel and turned it into a masterpiece of a film.
yeah.. I think the Author even said he preferes the film over his own book !
The movie is remarkably faithful to the book. Not sure what you consider mediocre about it.
@@patrickkinnear8625 how he met Tyler was different, Tyler was the villain, Brad Pitt portrays him as a charismatic antihero that people love, and the ending is completely different. I can go on but I think my point is made. And I'm a huge Chuck Palahniuk fan
@@alexb.e7498 that he did, he likes the ending much better
@@philippuhlman9736 yes there are differences. The sun dial, then last chapter in the psych hospital, but it really is an incredibly faithful adaptation
I'm curious as to what made the novel mediocre whereas the film was a masterpiece? Was it just the sundial scene? Do you just really hate the beach?
The Drinker: Recommends... Fight Club
Me: I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
I've been waiting 20 years to use that line.
No one talks to me though.
@@crazyjaybe sometimes in order to have an intelligent conversation one is forced to speak to himself.
@@sozo_jamma1593 I do that all the time. Everyone else are stupid.
Ebert called this movie "macho-porn" I don't think he knew how much that complimented the film and its message.
Porn never was a bad thing. It's necessary in fact.
Roger Ebert also called John Carpernter's ''The Thing'', I quote: ''a mindless gorefest.''
I think that speaks volumes about the guy and professional movie critics in general.
Drugs and fighting too, while we're at it.
@@SuperiorGamerNathan He disliked the original Blade Runner. And he wasn't fond of the Shining. But later he gave a good review? in one of his books. I dunno. He wasn't the best reviewer.
Well, for those that read the book, Fight Club has nothing to do with fighting.
"I can't think of anything"
I remember seeing Fight Club at our local multiplex in 1999 thinking it was going to be a run of the mill, brutal, punchy mash-up fight film, having not seen a single trailer for it, how wrong would I be. Fight Club chewed me up and spat me out and I've never looked at movies in the same way again and movies in general will never be this good again, apart from this one when you watch it for the second time, which is astonishingly better on the second viewing...and third and so on. A timeless, flawless cult masterpiece, a work of utter genius and if you were to snap this film in half like a stick of rock, it would read "Perfection" from end to end.
I strongly urge everyone to watch all of the multiple commentaries if you own a copy as the attention to detail from Fincher goes beyond anything anyone else has ever attempted. The insight and level of detail cements the movie as a true great and in those 22 years that have passed, no movie has toppled it off of my number 1 spot of my list of all time favourites. Dead Mans Shoes is a very tight second but no others come close.
"I still can't think of anything"
I almost never comment on anything but my dude you have my respect. Fight Club is at the top for me also, with Dead Mans Shoes a close second too.
I respect you, random stranger. A man of miserable but poignant culture!
@@joebird8538 I thank you kind sir.
Falling down, The joker and fight club..... crazy how the stories are so close yet from different generations.
"I'm so old, I don't even remember the first rule of Fight club" - Brad Pitt
"Exactly sir."
1 don't talk about it
2 DON'T TALK ABOUT IT
3 say stop go limp or tap out fight is over
4 only 2 guys to a fight
5 one fight at a time
6 no shirts, no shoes
7 fights will go on as long as needed
8 if this is your first time YOU HAVE TO FIGHT
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He's not old just emasculated.
His first rule should have been "don't marry Angelina Jolie". That woman ruined him.
Fun Fact: Brad Pitt's stunt double in this and a bunch of other movies, was David Leitch. You may know him as one of the creators of the John Wick franchise and also director of movies like ''Atomic Blonde'',''Deadpool 2'' or ''Hobbs & Shaw''.
He's currently working on a new action movie with Brad Pitt.
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Surely one of the best movies ever made. From the story to the cinematography to the performances to the soundtrack. Wildly imaginative, intense, dark, funny. It's an absolute masterpiece. The only problem is that you're hard pressed to find something to enjoy after this.
20 years after the movie and I haven't seen one of you doing your homework for project mayhem
Cheers to the origin of the term "snowflake".
Same year 99 the Matrix conied the red pill ... And this dude said mediocre decade ... The last best music and movies before the millennials decadence.
@@TestTest-tj9io I think the mediocrity of the decade allowed for some peace and quiet, which led to some quality reflection, which in turn led to some of the greatest art our species has ever created... Couldn't have written these stories or produced these films while getting torn apart on foreign soil(s).
@@TestTest-tj9io doubt its decadence by choice, there's nothing left to do, our aims and hopes were forced on us by our parents, "get good grades and you'll get a good job etc" when not realising that all the good jobs were taken by the less qualified parents. All the housing was over priced by the grandparents still living in them. The lack of preparation for this pandemic, despite the warnings for decades of one, was because of gen x career politicians. The snowflakes of the boomer generation, the ones who didn't die in conflict during that era, the hippies, were the teachers of the millennial and zoomers. When the only thing thats left in society is coldness where your value as a person is simply just a number for taxes, then of course there are people screaming into the void of mediocrity. When each generation is taught from 5 years and onwards, to get a good job, a house, a car etc. But never anything more meaningful. The system produces workers, and as humanity merges its cultures etc, eventually it'll become more homogeneous, bland and safe... to cater to the masses and not the individual.
@@rebeccaconlon9743 This is so true. I'm gen-x, spent my 20's in the 1990's as a slacker, bouncing between jobs and college without feeling like my boomer parents ever prepared me for anything or gave me any real direction in life because they already had everything they needed from their generation - which sacrificed so much to give it to them. We were raised by latchkey parents and teachers who were mostly leftover hippies from the 70's.
When this movie came out it spoke to me and the people I knew like nothing in our experience ever had. All of the sudden there was this voice (Tyler's) telling us exactly why we felt the way we did, what the source of our anomie and apathy was. It was a huge eye-opener at the time, for the people who it seemed to be made for.
@@Raskolnikov70 look at the generational analysis of RugRats, can't remember who did it, you might find it both funny and thought provoking, it was really all about boomer parents looking after babies.
I must have watched this 20 times before I realised you never actually get his name... I am Jack's complete lack of observation.
Even in the credits Edward Norton is listed as "The Narrator".
This is one of my favorite movies of all time and knew it was a masterpiece when I first watched it when I was like 10. I didn't realize that "Jack" didn't say his name the entire movie until like a decade later. My mind was blow.
That’s the point. We are all jack. You are Jack, I’m jack, whoever needs it at the time is Jack.
As far as I know, I think I've glimpsed his name somewhere to be "Cornelius". However - I might be totally wrong... Or totally drunk now. Not sure... 🤷♂️
Jack IS Tyler Durden...
This was a great summary. Tyler was right and by so was Thanos. It's really weird that yesterday's villains are today's hero's.
Back in 2006 a groups of teens in a small Ontario Town started up their own Fight Club. Made the news.
His name is Will Jordan. When drunk, a writer has no name.
Ten bucks says it's a pen name bro
@@miscanime His real name is Critical Drinker
@@bucknasty69 it always will be.
"On a long enough time line, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero."
"First you have to know, not fear; know, that someday you're gonna die."
Two lines that severely eroded my tolerance for other people's bullshit.
Absolutely
"This is your life, and it's ending, one minute at a time."
Interestingly,Marcus Aurelius writes something very similar in his Meditations:
(Paraphrased)''Your life is just a moment in eternity.So what is a moment's worth?''
Lt Speirs carried the same philosophy in Band of Brothers
Those two lines right there are what we as a nation living in terror of a pandemic need to hear. If more people understood that simple fact- that we are all mortal and will eventually die- we wouldn’t be so terrified of a mere virus.
The film is brilliant but also kind of misinterpreted by many imo. It clearly suggests that Tyler is someone the protagonist has to overcome. If one glorifies Tyler for being so cool one should reflect on what makes him or her believe this. Is he mature because he does how he pleases? Does his egoistic behavior make him a great man? Isn't he building the exact society of conformity he wants to destroy? It is kind of summarized when the model Brad Pitt asks if a man should look like the portrayed man in an advert! That's the point. A mature man cares about his family and maybe does his shitty job to earn the money to do so. Tyler does only care for himself and his projects. But he is charming and flirts with his audience. He attracts boys like our protagonist and a bit too many people in the audience. In some sense, he is like a pickup artist, a boy we should overcome.
I just finished watching this film age 26, for the first time. What a fucking masterpiece. I didn’t call the twist until it happened which is a far cry from every movie I’ve seen over the past 10 years where I’ve called the end 9/10 times. Never a dull moment too.
Jack's self beating in front of his boss was another solid foreshadowing of the dual personality. Too bad that the imagination of screenwriters today is so unimaginative and PC.
"it reminded me of my first fight with Tyler" - something along those lines
@@100_JAB yup! :)
To be fair even screenwriters back then were unimaginative, Palahniuk wrote this and sold the movie rights to Hollywood. Even in the 90s Hollywood was bland and PC.
@@PearlJamaholic idk man reservoir dogs and pulp fiction both came out in that decade. Maybe Tarantino and a few others like him are outliers though.
@@PearlJamaholic Making a Movie based on a book doesn’t make it unimaginative.
I put this movie on around New Years just as I do with films like Die Hard, the Christmas Carol and Elf on Christmas Day; it’s a tradition for me and the ending of Fight Club always stays with you.
Never thought of it like that before but goddamn it you're right
This film is still such a masterpiece
Just watched this film again today and MAN does it still hold up. A timeless classic and one of Fincher's best of his entire filmography.
Remember back in the 90s, when the biggest existential threat to mankind was nothing exciting happening in the world? Ah, those were the days.
and Fukuyama's "End of History And The Last Man". What a shit for brains that guy turned out to be.
It's like that Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times".
Interesting and exciting unfortunately aren't always good.
Example: the last 8 months of 2020...😧
@@hamyncheese Yup, that concept was so transparently stupid on its face. Like the Laffer curve.
The threats we face to today are the threats that were being cultivated before we were born. We were simply blissfully unaware of the danger. Now we do know, and we do nothing.
Exciting times SUCK. I'm TIRED of living through history this way!
Wow, never realized Edward Norton’s character was unnamed. My whole life has been nothing but lies.
He is credited as the narrator of the film. He actually doesn't have a character title.
What did you think the characters name was?
@@dread9030 Jasper
Dread cornealeus, Rupert, maybe one of those silly names he gives each night.
I think it's technically "Jack" since he was reading the books about the organs in first person, it's hypothesized that he was using his own first name when reading them, since later he still refers to first person reactions as "I am Jacks inner rage" "I am Jack's cold sweat" and so forth I might have butchered the quotes a little since it's from memory. The actual Fight Club book by Chuck Palahniuk also gives off the feeling that he really was just inserting his name when reading those organ books.
Best fucking book/movie of all time. I've found that many individuals completely miss the message(s) in this work of art, too busy learning what a duvet is.
I find all of your comments on whatever you review to be an informed, intelligent critique with examples given to support your opinions and hypothesis. Informative and refreshing as well as entertaining. Thank you.
The middle children of history.
Truly, gen X is forgotten.
Nah,they're the second-eldest generation now-I'd like to think that they'd mellowed out by now,y'think?
Sharon Spears-mandeville yes and no.
You are not anymore, you have the biggest economic depression in history and a new revolution is coming
Yeah, Gen X cancelled by modern progressives, while they hate on us across the internet that Gen X invented, and play video games that Gen X invented. Gen X should have worn more condoms.
This is like saying the drinker recommends alcohol. It's basically a given.
Absolutely
Lets not forget the crazy awesome music...From the Intro to most scenes. Plus the quotes
I was 19 at the time. Went 3 times to cinema to watch this pearl. One of the best movies ever.
“We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And 're very, very pissed off." -- Tyler Durden
Uttered by Brad Pitt, a millionaire movie god and potential rock star.
@@steveouk90126 No. It was uttered by Tyler Durden; the character Pitt was depicting.
My favorite line from the movie, right there.
I fucking love that line, I believed that lie but I’m waking up to live in the real world
@@callmeej8399 Did you have on "ah ha!" moment or was it a slow series of realisations?
" I haven't been f***ed like that since grade school." Very rarely does a movie come along that remains quotable so many years after release all the while getting even more relevant to all the bullshit going on in this world. An all time fave every adult male should see at least once.
And that was actually a replacement line. The original line from the novel was, “I wanna have your abortion.”
But I'm pretty sure the country she's from, gradeschool would include high-school. So the actress didn't know what she said until later.
@@larrybrander9116 lol no
@@alpha-cf2oi Yes. She's from England. We don't have "grade school" in any form. But it's been confirmed by the actress and the film makers that she assumed grade school went up to American highschool
It’s not just men who love this movie.
One of my favorite movies of all time
Oh man. As an extremely late member of Gen X, I love this movie.
Over 20 years later, I realised that Between Angels and Insects quoted Fight Club. Even now, the movie delivers something new to me.
"We have just lost cabin pressure." I so want to use that line someday.
Life insurance pays off triple if you die on a business trip.
One day when autonomous vehicles are normal and traveling at 600 mph, you will surely have the chance
Uh, yeah, that's not a weird thing to want to happen to you at all. I really hope you're not a flight attendant. Lol
Literally the most terrifyingly exciting thing a person can experience, along with the satisfaction of knowing a loved one will cash in on your corpse.
I used the Marla line "your the worst thing thats ever happened to me" when my ex and I parted ways.:-)
This and Demolition Man were grave portents of the future.
I love Demolition Man but I was amazed just how much Stallone was doubled 🤣 Going back and watching the old Arnie flicks revealed much the same. Strange how they're considered action stars.
Indeed ! I was just telling some friends about Demolition Man a couple of months ago, and how it reflected 2020 eerily well.
@@LethalShadow 2020? This has been brewing since 2013.
A fantastically accurate and insightful analysis of this great movie. Well done Drinker!
This was back when films didn't preach at their audience, give easy answers or tell their audience what to believe. You were allowed to both love and hate Tyler, love and hate Fight Club, at the same time. It embraced complexity and nuance. Man, do I miss that in films.
'Raised on the end of a mediocre decade'
Dude, if I could go back to the 90's I would do so without a second thought...
Same!
Same here man, I was born in 95. If the 90s were medicore what do you call the current era we live in lol ?
I'd say the 90's were the last great decade.
Same here. I was born at the tail end of 84. Saw and remember the 90s very well and I wish I could go back.
I would too, but 80's would be my first choice.
I, also, miss movies like this. How long since we've had such a smart and almost perfect movie.
This movie couldn't be made today, and that's really depressing.
Jocker?
Easily Parasite.
I love this movie. It’s one of two movies in my life where I laughed so hard that rest of the movie audience wanted to throw me out of the theater.
But while I agree with most of what you say about how fuckin great it is, I think you miss an important point. Tyler Durdens criticism of the shallow materialism of our society is spot on, no doubt about it. But his answer is shite. I think the movie is equally clear on that. He’s no hero, nothing to aspire to, he’s just another trap, another addiction, another meaningless empty cul-de-sac to walk down. And - you won’t want to hear this, but it’s still true- he’s a pretty good deconstruction of toxic masculinity.
Just goes to show you, even liberal feminist postmodernism is tolerable if you bake it into a really fuckin good movie.
👏👏👏👏
Can you share some examples on how the toxic masculinity is deconstructed?
lol only real betas talk about "toxic masculinity"
well might be shite, but it's the fastest and most driven by instincts and primordial needs, so it perfectly fits the purest Tyler Durden, whereas "Jack" is the opposite, he's weak and formulaic, and he has to fashion "another Jack" to be able to put Tyler under control, to create him and absorb him so to speak. unfortunately he does it too late, but he does it nonetheless. in the end, "Jack" has grown and has become more "wholesome", at the expense of economical stability. it was a hefty price to pay.
@@ptrgr72 indeed. I think Tyler's toxic masculinity was perfectly constructed instead, and found in Marla and the world around him the perfect feminine submissivity.
Awesome. I saw this when it came out (I was 17 or 18) and I admit I didn't see the end coming. It is one of those movies that makes so much more sense on a second viewing I literally started it over as soon as I finished it for the first time. Very quotable too, especially with everything happening in the last 10 years.
I think the coolest thing about the twist reveal is that Tyler and Jack never talk to the same person in one scene, even when they're both on screen
Watched it last night after at least 15 years. I'm watching as Tyler Durden says "everything you own ends up owning you" i look around my nice house and cars on the drive and I'm like... yeah, never has a truer word been spoken.
Two years later… have you changed?
5:28 - one of the most hilarious movie lines was at this point in Fight Club, where they replay the scene from the beginning. At the beginning, after being asked for last words, Jack says, "I can't think of anything." In the callback at the end, Jack says, "I still can't think of anything," causing Tyler to pause for a beat, and then say, "Ah. Flashback humor." LOL!!!