The ESSENTIAL Direct Drive Sim Racing Guide! - Fanatec, Logitech, Moza, Asetek, Simagic & More
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Direct Drive wheelbases have exploded in popularity over the past few years, with the technology becoming more affordable, more compact and therefore more accessible for sim racers.
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Intro: 0:00
Important Information: 1:10
Fanatec Overview: 2:56
Fanatec Software: 13:38
Logitech Overview: 19:32
Logitech Software: 21:14
Turtle Beach Overview: 26:18
Turtle Beach Software: 31:20
Moza Overview: 34:46
Moza Software: 41:28
Cammus Overview: 47:30
Cammus Software: 50:57
Simagic Overview: 53:52
Simagic Software: 56:49
VRS Overview: 1:01:49
VRS Software: 1:05:58
Simucube Overview: 1:09:53
Simucube Software: 1:13:16
Asetek Simsports Overview: 1:19:46
Asetek SimSports Software: 1:26:08
Closing Remarks: 1:34:10
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đ„ Jump around within the video with following time stamps:
Intro: 0:00
Important Information: 1:10
Fanatec Overview: 2:56
Fanatec Software: 13:38
Logitech Overview: 19:32
Logitech Software: 21:14
Turtle Beach Overview: 26:18
Turtle Beach Software: 31:20
Moza Overview: 34:46
Moza Software: 41:28
Cammus Overview: 47:30
Cammus Software: 50:57
Simagic Overview: 53:52
Simagic Software: 56:49
VRS Overview: 1:01:49
VRS Software: 1:05:58
Simucube Overview: 1:09:53
Simucube Software: 1:13:16
Asetek Simsports Overview: 1:19:46
Asetek SimSports Software: 1:26:08
Closing Remarks: 1:34:10
I have a Moza experience to share as a customer.
My dumbass somehow managed to damage the pins inside the wheel QR. I sent them an email explaining my problem and asked for a repair job if possible. In about a week they shipped a replacement pin plate FREE OF CHARGE not a question asked. Only thing they wanted was a proof of wheel purchase and photo of the damage.
Really impressed.
Out of curiosity how did you manage to break the pins on the QR of the wheel ?
We shall never know... â@@MrQuicheProductions
@@MrQuicheProductions I 3d printed a wall mount for my wheels and messed up the measurements for the pin clearance. I actually forgot about them until the moment I click it on. I knew immediately I had messed up. Fortunately I tried only on the es wheel and not the ones that I use regularly.
@@rohithjnair2 Ouch and still Moza offered a replacement. Nice of them
Wow. The entire sim racing community, and those looking to enter, owe you an enormous thank you. Incredible work. I can't even begin to imagine how much time must have gone into this video. When do you even have time to eat and sleep?! đ Hats off Boosted Media.
Thanks mate. I donât seem to have any trouble eating. Sleeping is another matter though. đ
Stole my comment đ
Logitech: *Enters the room*
Consumer: Eco System??
Logitech: *Exits the room*
18 months in and so disappointed. To have an expensive, closed system and offer nothing is such nonsense. At least a quality shifter should have been released by now.
As a PS5 and PC user, I've just purchased a Logi G Pro wheel and pedal set. The lack of an eco-system atm is super-frustrating...they've had a LOT of time to at least announce something, and they honestly need to be doing a LOT better on that front.
Having said that, they wouldn't have gone to the effort of making such a great QR and provided all ports for products that weren't going to be released at some point...please don't let me down Logitech!!!
@@ElDuderinoAus Don't get me wrong I love my Logitech G Pro wheel but the lack of new rims considering all the advertisement with the McLaren Team & NASCAR Driver Bubba Wallace you would have expected maybe a larger full round rim or a GT/F1 style rim by now, but you are right i'm sure something will come at some point as why make such a decent QR for the wheel base if they didn't have plans for something in the future.
@@travistuckerSB I'm just disappointed considering all the advertisement with the McLaren Team & NASCAR Driver Bubba Wallace you would have expected maybe a larger full round rim or a GT/F1 style rim by now but still nothing and yet still no Pro Shifter, I love my G Pro Wheel cant argue with the performance of it at all but the lack of Eco system sure is a let down as I would love a larger round rim for oval racing.
â@@arranmc182 @ElDuderinoAus I gave up yesterday and just bought a Simagic Alpha and P1000 pedals from someone local on FB. I'll pick up a Sigma Cortex to see how it goes with PS5 and start building out my Simagic setup. I'm mostly on PC these days but GT7 is still fun.
For what it's worth, Fanatec experience here to add to the conversation.
I've been buying Fanatec gear for over 11 years now. I've owned the original Porsche 911 wheel and shifter, CSW V1, CSW V2, Clubsport Pedals V2, Elite Pedals V1, Elite Pedals V2, Original Formula Wheel, Formula V2 wheel, CSL P1 Wheel, Podium Advanced Module, Podium DD1, Porsche RSR wheel and Clubsport Shifter V1.5. Most of these were ordered individually and I never had any issues with shipping, including this past Black Friday where I picked up the Shifter on sale.
Out of all these products the only reliability issue I had was with the motors on the CSW V1. They basically burnt out, as you couldn't really run that wheel base at full power without burning them out. Fanatec shipped me out new motors and instructions to replace at the time. I did replace them and the wheel continues to work to this day, I just can't turn up the power, which is why I bought the Clubsport V2... lol! Other than that, no issues with any of the other products.
Hope this may be helpful to someone, as there is quite a bit of doom and gloom out there and for me at least, I've been very pleased with the products, shipping and customer service. Saving up now for the Gran Turismo DD Extreme. đ Happy Sim Racing Everyone!
I want to upgrade my old Porsche Wheel and V2 pedals to DD, but as they won't go local retail, I'll just go to a local shop and get Simagic or Asetek gear.
I'd like to stick with Fanatec, and I'd PROBABLY get it delivered in good time, and it will PROBABLY be reliable so I don't have the hassle of shipping it back for warranty repairs, but I don't have to worry about those PROBABLYS if I go with the other brands, so it's goodbye Fanatec, unfortunately.
Get the f1 that gt extreme wheel is meant to be flimsy
Only issues I have had with fanatec is with V3 pedals but because I messed things up when trying to do maintenance
I bought the Asetek La Prima base, La Prima Wheel and now the Forte wheel base and round rim. Could not be happier. Customer service was brilliant. Communication was great. The Asetek community is strong and willing to help with any questions. Canât wait for their next releases. đ„đ
Yeah just bought a Forte bundle - now we just all need to pressure AMS2 to support all those buttons lol
Very happy with my La Prima bundle. Just getting into the hobby, itâs a blast!
@@matthewbrennan6466 I hope you appreciate that your starting point is fecking awesome, most of us started on Logic G somethings lol. You should try AMS2 in VR, that really makes your heart race đ
â@@Space-O-2001, lol I feel this comment. AMS2 is my favorite sim, but they still have a ways to go on the product compatibility front.
Like you, I purchased the La Prima entry level bundle, at least a strong part of which was that it was upgradeaable. It is, sort of. NO upgrades for the wheel hubs, and none in sight. Bummer. I am selling my La Prima wheel base and getting the Forte on, mostly for the additional outputs on the back. I also like that it can turn off the system, or just the wheel (which Will just proved .
CS has been OK - not the quickest to respond to questions, but generally useful. LOVE the upgraded brake!. SO much to. get, so little money to spend!
Minor correction: VRS DirectForce Pro is 20NM.
I was just going to write this lol. VRS user here. Awesome wheel base and pedals! The wheel however.... Dropped the ball with that.
You also said the R3 does a peak of 3nm. But I believe it was 3.9nm đ
R3 does 0NM at the moment đ
@@boostedmedia Boom roasted!
Panning across all of the reasonably sized bases and then getting to the gargantuan Logitech was hilarious.
Im full into the Simagic ecosystem (base, wheel, pedals, handbrake, shifter, etc). Works like a charm, robust, top quality and fairly priced. Best ecosystem in my opion.
Same for me. Price-Quality just top of the topđ. Simagic once, Simagic foreverđ .
@@sandropelli3050my only gripe about Simagic is that while Im all in with their ecosystem, Simagic desperately needs a competitor to the BDH H1, Prosim Quaife and Frex GP6R+.
6 gears + reverse, a very high-end mechanism and above else, no optional sequential shifter. I bought the Simagic Q1 for a very obvious reason, so all a dual-mode system does is increase complexity for no reasons and drive the price up for no reasons.
Will is becoming like the MKBHD of sim racing - team VRS here and can only say great things. Unbelievably smooth, clean, strong FFB and best bang for buck. Discord community is next level too - had an issue when setting up and had the community solve it for me in 15mins
Perfect Timing. I'm getting ready to upgrade my wheelbase and I've done a lot of research but its nice to see a overview of all of them side by side!
I bought VRS wheelbase and Heusinkveld Sprints last month, based on your reviews (2 months of extended research, videos), absolutely amazing, stunning quality of both products. Coming from R5 bundle this was a massive step up, and its been an amazing journey, the feedback is insane really detailed. Sprints are also next level coming from Moza. Thank you for all the information and overall your feedback in the sim racing community, much appreciated by casual drivers like me that might not have much knowledge without extensive research. Respect.
Purchased a full Invicta setup nearly a year ago now because of watching all of your videos. Iâve had absolutely zero issues and have been extremely happy with my Asetek products. The Invicta base has no issues slinging and powering the GSI Hyper P1. Iâm pretty happy with the Asetek ecosystem, I believe they are one of the biggest innovators in the space right now.
Will, you are unmatched in the space. Thank you for all the time and effort you and your team put in to these videos.
Owner of Logitech G PRO set.
Pros
+ Amazing wheel. FF + True Force is extremely immersive
+ Button layout is very easy to use.
+ Great control over car during races.
- Outstanding customer support and shipping
Cons
- Expensive
- Sometimes FF stops during races. Need to restart wheel and it's good to go.
- When game stops unexpectedly wheel starts torquing to the right.
Sum up my overall experience. It has helped me be a better driver during races and more consistent.
Canât complain about my Logitech Pro Wheel and Pedals! When Logitech releases additional steering wheels, Iâll buy them. Given Iâm someone who is in no hurry, the feel and quality of the wheelbase is AMAZING.
The 5nm Moza bundle was my entry into DD, and about a year later I upgraded to an Asetek Invicta. Theyâre very different offerings at very different price points, but I had great experiences with both. The Moza was more than enough to get me hooked on sim racing and hold me over for a while. The Asetek was my long term upgrade that will no doubt last me for the foreseeable future. Both were readily available at Microcenter near me here in the states which was nice. I liked the software for both. Iâve never had any issues with either, so nothing to report on that side. Both purchases were informed by Boosted Media videos
The cool thing is how awesome the offerings are. You can see from the comments theres people extremely happy with their setups whethers its Simagic, Simucube, Asetek, Moza etc. having so many competitors in this space is pushing everyone them all to innovate and push the tech forward.
What else is great os that there doesnt seem to be the usual tribalism you can find online. I have a full Simagic ecosystem and I love it - but im well aware others have other products and that theyre also having a similarly brilliant experience.
Fantastic time to be into this hobby.
I have the Asetek x Tony Kanaan package and could not be happier! It's basically the La Prima wheelbase and pedals but a Forte wheel. I love it! I went from a G920 setup to this and have loved every minute of it
Logirich leaked on reddit that the rest of the g pro line will come in october
That would be freakin' amazing! :D
What did they say any mention of pro handbrake or shifter
My Simagic Alpha Mini, GT1, and GT4 wheels have been rock solid for 2.5 years! They also added updates for new sims like WRC and LMU the same day they came out, which was awesome. I also wanted to add on clutch paddles for my GT4 recently. They aren't sold separately, but I contacted a distributor who was able to get them directly from Simagic and sell them to me. Installed them myself and they work like a charm.
I bought the Asetek La Prima bundle, when it arrived some of the stickers on the side of the wheelbase had fallen off. I contacted support and they got me out replacements and extras immediately. Also during one pedal firmware update i couldn't get it to install to the pedals. Found out it was related to my Thrustmaster drivers. Other then that no issues what so ever and everything has been amazing. I highly recommend
i bought a DD+ iâm so happy with it, never thought the upgrade from my moza r16 would be worth it, but the feedback is so much better
Mistake to go with fanatec rn and im not trying to be mean⊠they are boutta go down + their qr system is so bad compared to others
Yea, qr2 is fantastic. Yes I own it.
@@EliasWEC sorry Dude, Fanatec is so big, they are going nowhere
@@m.g.9334 ermz made a video about fanatec today and it will open your eyes lol
@@LorenzoFrausto and QR2 is outdated 100% not saying it doesnât do the job but it is outdated and even boosted media said it
âSimucube - Best of the Bestâ
Damn straight! Have had Fantec and Moza DDâs, and I donât care what people say, but I feel so much more with Simucube.
I always thought there wouldnât be much between DDâs, but I was (thankfully) wrong. â€
If only all of us could afford a 2-4K U.S. wheel and base. :D
Your comparing different price bracket products you would think there would be a difference?
â@Liesthroughisteeth Agreeeeeee. Would be nice heh
Have you tried an Asetek Invicta? I've tried the SC2 Pro and Ultimate, and the Asetek is currently the best DD wheel (in terms of feel/detail) on the market imo.
I have a VRS Direct Force Pro and a Simucube 2 Pro, the VRS is the better buy for the money in my opinion. I bought the Simucube 2 Pro used so I dont have that much money invested. I wouldn't buy one new personally, not worth the high cost in my opinion.
I've got an R9 and honestly I'm very happy with it. There are very few cars I use where I want a little more torque but it's been amazing for every title, every car, and every session. I've never had an issue, I've never been unhappy. One thing I do need to say is it takes a few weeks to get the force feedback tuned to your specific desires but when it is, it gives me more information than any other base I've tried and I've been through a ton of thrustmaster gear, quite a bit of Logitech's stuff, and a I've tried fanatecs dd but I didn't buy it for myself as I actually wanted to get my wheel rather than wait for it for however long it took to ship. I will say the fanatec was a lot easier to get to feel how I wanted but moza was more than capable of delivering what I needed.
AWESOME WORK! Thank you so much for everything you do for the sim racing community.
I got my first DD and all the kit about 6 months ago, I went for Fanatec, due to brand awareness and some mega discounts before the end of last year. Happy with it all, quality is great especially coming from an old Logitech G25. Wish i'd ordered the QR2 release system, I didn't know much about it at the time. I've not had any issue with QR1 but it's good to keep it all updated.
Yet again an awesome video Will. Patiently waiting for your full review on the Simagic Alpha before I pull the trigger đ . Keep up the great work man, youâre kind of the reason I started getting interested in the sim racing world.
Congrats Will. A massive achievement with this video.
The amount of time to prepare for such a accomplishment would have been huge!
I'm a Moza user of 2+ years. Been extremely pleased with the performance for dollar and the quality of the components.
Suits my casual / semi competitive racing perfectly.
Moza also listen to the community and build products based on the communities needs.
It may not be the extreme highest quality but bang for buck is right up there.
Great video once again! â€
Bought a Logitech DD Pro last year after watching many of your videos. Fanatec was on the shortlist but they have too many products - DD1, DD2, CSL, Clubsport, DD+, DD Pro, and that's just the wheelbase - resulted in choice paralysis. I bought the Logitech and although the lack of addons sucks the wheel and pedals themselves are fantastic. There was no mucking about everything was included. And their built-in G923 compatibility mode has been god-tier because the older games just work. This is especially important to me because I swap between PC and PS fairly often.
I have zero complaints about the quality or price of the Logitech DD Pro. My only complaint is they're taking too long to release the "ecosystem" of shifters, handbrakes and custom wheels. Where are the wheels for WRC and F1? It's inexplicable how they could release such a good product only to seemingly abandon it like this. I keep hearing rumors about stuff coming soon but I'm losing faith and losing patience.
I gave up waiting and have a Moza hand break and a fanatec shifter. Don't think I will get the rumoured logetich shifter unless it's way better than the fanatec, I got my pro wheel and pedals for 53% off retail so I am winning.
I got the csl dd 5nm last December and love it! I got the 8nm boost kit and that's made it even better â€
Hey Will, thank you for this video! đđœ I drive a Simucube1 with wireless adapter for several years now. Think this base will last forever and gives me best feeling I can get. Greetings all the way from Germany to your home...
I ordered a full setup (8nm, elite v2 peddles thanks to your reviews) from Fanatec and I decided to gamble with the customer service.
it got to me in 8 days. They say it ships from them in 4-7 so it was on time. They never told me the thing shipped just that it was in the warehouse. Other than that its been incredible to use.
I have the Fanatec Clubsport DD 12nm and I absolutely love it. Itâs incredible how precise the force feedback is.
I've recently made the jump to DD with Moza. Nothing but amazing customer support, experience, the whole bit. When I got my items (KS Wheel, R9 Base, SRP Pedals) everything was packaged nicely and looked amazing. The only thing was the sticker pack that is included with the KS Wheel was not with the package. I messaged Moza, within a week, I not only received the sticker pack but an additional one which really helped especially if I made a mistake and had to redo the sticker placement and the original sticker wouldn't fit. As for the driving and software experience, I mainly play iRacing and the feedback I feel from the R9 has been amazing. I've been able to feel more details then ever before and it's helped my driving (especially when catching mistakes lol) the software I find very easy to use and neatly put together. All in all, I've had no complaints from my Moza and plan on expanding my wheel collection soon to add variety.
I have been using my Alpha Mini for several months now. Zero issues. Much like many people would say, get more FFB if you can afford it. I came from a T300 and never thought i could use more than a mini provided....i would be happier with a bit more. That being said, if nothing more existed, I wouldn't care and would be 100% happy with it. Great feel and build quality sure seems very high. Thanks Will and team for all the hard work!
Another awesome video Will and Tom! Very extensive. Been eagerly waiting to watch this after working a couple of 13 hour days in row and it was well worth the wait. I've been a Fanatec owner for years as you probably know, and have been one of the lucky ones. Never had an issue with shipping, both recent orders and older orders, totalling well over $10k. I've always been happy with performance and quality along with customer service and spare parts. I now have the CS DD and it's very impressive, extremely detailed and responsive. QR2 is just as good as any other that I've tried and with zero play. I'm wishing the best for Fanatec and all of their employees, I never want to see any company fail, regardless of their mistakes. Peoples lives and families are dependant on Fanatec's success and that should be the focus right now.
As someone who's buyng a CSL DD soon it's EXTREMELY calming to know that they're fixing their issues, hopefully there's no problems once i do....
Bought a Moza R5 a couple months ago off of your review of it and it's been brilliant to use. Thanks for the excellent work in this video especially considering how long it must've taken to set everything up and then edit it into a flowing video.
Recently got my first DD got Moza R16 updated version and FSR wheel and its amazing even the packaging was so good didn't want to unpack it it was so nice ordered to Australia and only took 2.5 weeks to get to me that's with Easter in the middle of that so very impressed
Upgraded from csl dd to clubsport dd and wow what a difference â€đ
This video could not have come at a better time. Looking for my first Sim Rig, and while maybe I might buy used to start with (to make sure that I even enjoy sim racing (currently using a controller with AC + DR2.0)), this guide helps me look towards the future with each brands ecosystem and what they have to offer. Awesome work on the video, this will really help me as someone new to the sim racing market.
Go Oscar Piastri!
Think hard before pulling trigger on Fanatec. Read current reviews and make an informed choice.
Remember that most content creators get free stuff so sometimes it is difficult to be brutally honest. đ
Iâm in the UK. A year ago I went from a G923 to a Simucube 2 Pro. Yes, it was expensive, but itâs built like a tank and has been absolutely faultless. 25nm - More power than Iâll ever need and plenty of overhead to avoid clipping. Feels amazing to drive. So pleased I saved up and bought it. Buy once, cry once as they say. Great round up, Will.
I bought the Tony Kannan(la prima) combo from MicroCenter. I am really happy I trusted boosted media recommendations. I also purchased the forte button box and all round leather wheel for rallying. So yeah I'm glad I went Asetek. Thanks Will
Coming from Logitech , CSL DD 8NM and then SC2 Pro. I stopped looking after. I also did decide that Sim is something for me before forking out for the SC2Pro. Great Video !
Will with the no chill t-shirt. Love it.
Started my direct drive journey with Fanatec and while I donât really have âregretâ for doing so, If I found your channel sooner I probably would have chosen differently. Everything has worked perfectly and Iâve had minimal issues dealing with Fanatec, but I know that is fairly rare. Feels like Fanatec is falling behind everyone else at this point. I would have gone with a sim magic base if I could do it all over again. I got their GT Neo wheel on my Fanatec base and it is lovely
I upgraded from my g920 to the Logitech pro direct drive
I have the mix and match device and my g920 shifter works great.
I'm winning more races now , the feed back is totally AWESOME. I LOVE it.
Thanks for the info Will. I'm glad you continued reviewing products after Fanatec's debacle. Love your content it's super informative and makes things a lot easier.
Aaaaaaand there it is. I was holding off buying my first racing gear. Letâs hear it boyz and girlz. Going to search for a coffee and I dial in đ„ł
I love my moza gear (R12, FSR, CS). No issues so far - more then a year now. My only pain point is that you cant switch between H and Seq shifter and I dont want to buy and contatnsly replace the two on my rig
Simagic baby. I have 15nm bas fx pro wheel, ds8x shifter, and dressed out p2000 pedals. Love it all.
I have originally had the 5nm R2R kit from Fanatec and got the 8nm boostkit last week, never had any Problems which shipping both was delivered after 5 Days. Buti live in Germany
Das muss so ein riesen Aufwand gewesen sein, auch wenn ich schon mein neues vollendetes FANATEC Setup habe, vielen Dank dafĂŒr. :)
I started on a NegCon on PS1 in â97 -> Logitech G25, G27, Thrustmaster DFP, TM300 last 4 years on Simucube 1 Mige 20Nm. Despite it being an old OSW set-up it has been upgradeable during my ownership: added SImucube wireless BT module + Cube Controls wheel, numerous firmware updates to Aug â23 & changed to 22-bit BISC encoder. That is testament to modularity and support from Granite Devices.
All depends where you started and where youâre heading. Iâve gone from a thrustmaster t300 to a Moza R9 and couldnât be happier. Massive difference in FFB performance and the Moza equipment was easy to pickup from local retailers here in Sydney Aus.
2 years ago your content helped me out with my decisions. Love all the videos to this day. Peace
I've been a Fanatec customer for almost 5 years and have absolutely no complaints. I understand I've been extremely lucky and I feel for those who haven't had the same experience. But their products are incredible. I really hope whatever happens behind the scenes ends up with Fanatec being stronger as a result. They need more innovation as other companies are pushing out better products. I'm too invested in the ecosystem to jump ship completely so I'm hoping for improvements in the leadership by whatever means necessary.
I've had Fanatec gear for a long time and am ready to upgrade to DD, I would like to stick with them, but I am not prepared to send them money over the net because of their issues, I can go to a shop and buy Simagic, Moza and Asetek gear and don't have to stress about any possible delivery delays, or having to ship it back for any issues.
Apparently, when asked recently, they (Fanatec) stated that they won't go to a retail system due to cost, I think that is a fatal business error, because, if I'm not prepared to take the risk of sending them money as a satisfied long term Customer, I imagine a lot of other people will feel the same way, and with the competition being so good and so much more accessible, they are going to struggle.
I got a full Fanatec DD Pro with optional wheels and pedals and the goods. Itâs been a great experience! Itâs been plug and play with Xbox and PlayStation. Best feeling wheel I have ever felt and so easy to tune to each game. No complaints from Fanatec and would highly recommend.
I'm +1 for the Logitech Pro wheel. FFB is great, and Trueforce makes a big difference compared to the similar setup I've tested at Microcenter. I still hope the ecosystem will expand.
Ex-Logitech, Thrustmaster, Fanatec user here and now with Simagic for just over a year. Absolutely love their products. I have the Alpha base, FX Pro, GT Neo and GTS rims along with their P2000 pedals.
Their software was still on its infancy when I first got my products but they've done incredible improvements since then.
Only minus I can find on their system is not being able to use SimHub (unless you're wired in with the GT Neo rim). The rims connect wirelessly via bluetooth to the base and just get power from them. If you wire in the GT Neo, you can configure some LEDs but that isn't an option for the FX Pro (at the time I am posting this message). Maybe a future update since Simagic has been great with customer feedback!
This is a brilliant video always look forward to your content 2cnd to none đȘđȘ
I started with a G29 and jumped ship last year to the Fanatec DD pro and was a game changer for me, still need to add a few bits to complete it, but thank you đđ
This is an amazing contribution to the community - thank you!
I have been waiting for this video for years. Thanks đ
Thanks for always making such great videos truly appreciate it big time. I ended up selling my simucube 2 sport and picked up the simucube 2 pro hoping to have it soon since it's sold out right now.
I love my R12 so much had it for 5 weeks and its amazing
What wheel did you get?
@@casualq6176 FSR formula wheel and RS V2
Very recently switched from Fanatec DD1 to VRS. The choice of rims is just so much bigger and varied with the VRS base. Very glad I made the switch.
I bought once cried once with Simucube 2 Pro as my first base, I have nothing to compare it with but it never leaves me dissapointed or lacking, rock solid thing all around. Can be paired with everything else aside from Fanatec so I got HE Sprints and SHH Shifter. You don't NEED a button box wheel, those are of course very expensive, I have one and almost never use it as I'm manual boy. I got two quick releases for both of my wheels, that button box GT one which is fantastic but yeah I don't use it much and Momo deep round dish bolted directly to the quick release.
This setup worked well on a wheel stand, but only up to 12-14nm. I'm now on a prober big boy 8020 rig and everything works flawlesly. Zero issues here.
Upgraded a Logitech G29 to Simagic Alpha Mini and GT NEO and had absolutely nothing but problems and almost no help from their customer service. Returned it for a Moza R12 with a KS wheel and had a night and day better experience. One thing I noticed having both is how much better Moza's ecosystem is as far as wheel options, accessories, and most of all how great their software is. Plus the wheel base just felt much better, again all just my experience though.
Lol it seems to be really only your experience. You can collect your 5 yuan now
Fwiw you have been posting this same comment all over the place. Are you being paid by moza?
@@smokeybandit1020 he literally asks for everyone's experience lol
You are literally trying to have a âmy Chinese company is better than your Chinese companyâ argument when Iâm just sharing my experience when people do comparison videos. Itâs good to consider all options and see what other people think. This whole comment section is peopleâs experiences
I saw some stuff on reddit some people's GT Neo handles were breaking off so good thing you returned it before they could do that to you
@@richarddawson7761 I saw that on some other guys video! Looks like they are having some quality control issues or the quality of the product is just subpar compared to Moza. Either way, stoked the Moza ecosystem has been working so well for me
i bought the csl dd pro 8nm when they first came out just up graded to the qr2 but never had a problem also bought v2 pedals and the maclaren v2 wheel never had a problem still very happy
I definitely plan on getting a DD wheel later this year and have been trying to decide what to go with. I think Iâve landed on the Asetek La Prima. I was thinking of maybe getting the Logitech DD setup, but with the horrible G923 experience Iâve had, I donât think Iâll ever buy another Logitech product. Itâs a shame because I was a Logitech fan for most of my life before I got my G923. The pedals are always glitching out and the wheel base is incredibly loud, which makes streaming audio much worse that it would be otherwise. Iâm just glad I learned my lesson before getting my load cell pedals that I recently got. I probably wouldâve ended up going with their pedals and wouldâve been disappointed. Thank you for all the great reviews you do. You make buying expensive gear a whole lot easier
I have the Logitech G Pro wheel and pedals and would give them a
10 for realistic feedback / feel. Quality: 9.5
Cost: 9
Customer support: 9.
Eco System: 2
Love it!
I own a R9 with 3 different Wheels (ES, CS V2, KS), CRP Pedals and shifter. I love these things. I us them mostly for AC (Hotlap and drifting) and Forza Motorsport. The only issue i have: In Forza Motorsport the ES have no Rev-Lights. In AC it works fine. Tried different settings. But no luck. Everything else works fine. Bought it 6 monts ago.
I've had a dd pro at 8nm and love it. Wish the wheel was bigger but it's absolutely awesome for the money.
I love my Moza R12, I feel like it is perfect. The quick release is amazing. It's got more force feedback than I can handle. Also happy with my Moza GS wheel, it's held up to heavy usage, and I really appreciate its four paddles on the rear (upshift/downshift and dual clutch). I run Heusinkveld Sprint Pedals, which I love. All purchased from Microcenter :P
Congratulations on this huge undertaking - seriously respect the massive amount of effort that went into this 1 video project.
People need to realise just how much work goes into content on CZcams.
Respect!
Ditto. I expect most people have never undertaken video production even close to this level. As a hack myself, I envision that there is AT LEAST a 5:1 ratio to production time vs video length for something of this depth. Could well exceed that when you consider the drive time behind all that, the software tweaking and other side work. Really a quality product that hides the actual work we know that it takes.
Had a horrible experience with my first wheel last year, a Fanatec GT DD Pro (5 nm) - the data connection always slips out in the middle of a race .. and it was the worst customer service experience ever for me.. When I finally got my money back, I went all in on a Simucube 2 Pro. Incredible customer service and exceptional hardware. You really get what you pay for.
This is good to know if your just getting into SIM racing to see what other options you have. Cheers!
From my Driving Force GT, to G29 I upgraded to a T300RS which was a waste considering its not much of an upgrade. My heart is set on Invicta now
Got the Alpha mini with Cube control F-Core. 895gram weight wheel with Alpha mini works perfect. Really pretty setup as well in terms of design from both.
Excellent video Thanks this kind of comparation or explanation is very important for the costumer . Excellent Will great job my friend. Cheers đđđđđ
What an incredible video! This channel is a treasure to all sim racers. Also, do you ever release footage of you driving the Emira?
Thanks. Havenât posted any content about it. Figured itâs not really why people are here.
@@boostedmedia Shame, beautiful car and I would love to see it if you ever change your mind! Good job mate
I feel VRS got shafted a bit (PUN). There is a lot you can do for that eco system, but I can see how it can be confusing for a new person. I would argue that the Simucube label is there to say its compatible more so than saying its OSW, MIGE, or VRS compliant. It seems a lot easier to use the HUB from VRS and attach whatever QR system you want (it's been out of stock for some time now) and wheels are plenty with all over the board. Yes you have to use a USB cable with an extender for safe use, but its not going to ruin your experience.
Also, I swear VRS is a 20 NM and not a 25 NM motor? Am I wrong?
Nonetheless, thank you for your hard efforts on making this video. There is a wealth of knowledge here and throughout the channel, but please for the viewers out there, do your due diligence. I hate to say it but the only way to really know is to try it, but this is a very expensive hobby. Same goes for cars. If you can find a way to test drive them all, you find that the efforts of arguments raging between parties seems trivial.
I have a VRS, three years now without any problems. Its 20nm peak torque and 10nm holding torque. Will seems to mix up, holding torque with peak torque sometimes.
Correct. VRS is 20NM peak. Not sure how I missed the error in the edit as it's correct in the written article.
I went from a Thrustmaster T80 then T300 to a fana csw2 & 2.5 to my first DD a Cammus 15nm to a VRS. I'm so glad I went with the VRS It's all I will ever need. You just can't beat that kind of price performance imo. I agree though all these DD's are very good
I went from a Moza R9 to a VRS DFP, and I feel like the VRS has more granular definition to the point you can make it feel like you have sand in the motor and it's grinding away, the Moza never produced that feeling when I tried all the different force feed back settings.
Don't get me wrong the Moza R9 was a really good wheel base and when I had it I never felt like I wanted more. I only upgraded to the VRS as I wanted a front mount base and I think I could go back to the R9 and be happy with it if I had to.
Was super happy with the R9 and am super happy with the VRS, recommend both bases.
I started on a Logitech G920. I felt that my options for upgrade later was not there and so had to think long and hard for a system that i felt would have good support, certainty of a growing ecosystem. i looked across the Moza gear but at the time of purchase they had some software development issues and so went with Asetek. Forte wheel and pedals and La Prima wheelbase. not disappointed. its an amazing product line. updated to V3 software and that caused some glitches but V3.1 sorted that. would have really appreciated a roll-back feature but it would not do that with the new firmware deployed to devices. the lack of shifter and handbrake after this amount of time is also a bit frustrating. All things considered, using this gear feels is amazing and still puts a smile on my face.
That shirt had me dying, excellent vid guys!
Bought a Moza r12 about a year ago. Absolutely love it. I donât really understand what you mean about the Moza force feedback. Iâve used my buddies fanatec setups and I prefer the feeling of Mozas force feedback everytime. I wouldnât trade my r12 for any other base.
I started with the moza r5 bundle and loved it. Sold it and got the moza r9 and the cr-p pedals and loved it. Then I sold my r9 to a buddy because I'm doing competitive racing now for money and wanted more realism with my stearing so got the moza r16 and it's dialed in to perfection I love it!! Moza for the win with quality and price!!
Not in the simracing anymore, but still watching these amazing content about amazing hardware. We are so far from my Clubsport CSL and Clubsport V2 XD
I personally have a Moza R5 and Fanatec CSL Elite v2 pedals. Both products were purchased early 2023.
The pedals have been 100% amazing every now and again I do need to lube them to avoid noise however.
The R5 has been great as well. The only issue I have is some times I need to relearn the center point. I personally have not updated my MOZA pithouse software since it was installed. I have zero issues with over heating or loss of FFB even with 12 hour endurance races, 3-4 hour drifting jam sessions, long 500 lap nascar races ect.
After considering the fanatec csl dd 8nm, asetek la prima 12nm and the simagic alpha mini 10nm. Made the right choice and went with the simagic! Coming from Logitech g27,I did a lot of research on the upgrade, I hope I found this video back then.
Came here for the shirt!
But in all seriousness -- I own a Fanatec GT DD 8Nm, McLaren GT3v2 and Fanatec P1 wheels, CSL loadcell pedal with 3dRap improvements and the Clubsport Shifter and Handbreak. Wanted to share my feedback - The products I own are all very good (especially as a first time DD) and the only comment I can make is that the wheel base is not future-proof. The 8Nm is pretty good overall and I'm enjoying it with a lot of titles like iRacing and EA WRC (so wide range of driving disciplines). All products I own are exceptionally well built and I've gotten great mileage on everything but I would like to upgrade my wheelbase soon as I feel that I can overpower the 8Nm in most cases and it's causing me to either overdrive the cars or not feel the loss of grip when it happens -- this can obviously be worked around with finesse and skill (which I probably lack) but for me, a stronger wheelbase which will require significant force to "overpower" should work wonders. As a final though -- I originally refused to get a cockpit and had it clamped on the desk but I urge all aspiring racers to try and go towards dedicated cockpits with their DDs as the experience will always be worth it.
Cheers Will for the content! Love your work!
The Video the hole Community was waiting for!!! â€â€
DD Pro PS5 with WRC wheel works on everything! Plug and pray đ
Overall pretty solids, some bugs on occasion but well supported in games. V3 pedals are pretty decent, shifter is solid. No regurts
That is a classic t-shirt đ€Ł, great video mate. I'm very happy with my Fanatec bundle that I pieced together from Marketplace. God knows what I'll do if anything stuffs up but it's amazing so far
I have a CAMMUS C5 and it it amazing- I came from a Logitech G920 and itâs a massive improvement.
I own Simagic Alpha Mini. Great experience both with the product and customer service. Simply 10nm are not enough and I will upgrade at some point. One year ago the newest Simagic Alpha mini firmware had issues. FFB would suddenly disappear. CS intervened immediately and after a couple of updates solved the issue. From then no issue at all.
Thank you for sharing! Has been thinking of buying the Alpha Mini for a while now as the normal Alpha is as expensive as the Alpha Ultimate in my country... If not I would have bought the normal Alpha.
What are you planning on upgrading to? :)
Would you have rather bought the Alpha or the Ultimate?
@@aadipai Well...I haven't tested them, I'm sure with the Alpha U you can forget about the topic...
@@noer0205 Hi there, I'm not sure but with the Alpha U, you probably don't think about the topic any more. but if I find a good second hand ALpha offer I might coonsider that as a not so expensive option.
The alpha is great. I had a moza r5 and was super disappointed with its ffb detail and strength. The alpha was a massive upgrade from that and I donât see any reason to upgrade. Havenât tested a mini so I couldnât compare. Iâd just go with the U if I were you since itâs marginally more expensive. I didnât because I use my desk and with just the alpha Iâve had my desk bouncing off the ground lol
Well, figured since you're asking to share input.
Had a quick beginner to advanced pov on things myself.
Went from a tsxw to a moza r12 to a simagic alpha U in about 4months.
I will say, the feeback settings play a significant role. My r12 settings were set using Metzvr on YT, the jump to a alpha U had me honestly a little disappointed. Race beyond matters released a settings video for a few bases including my alpha u, and wow, now theres a difference. Even improved consistency and lap times. So gotta get those settings sorted out to truly enjoy each individual base.
I feel like moza's phone app isnt talked about enough. Its definitely a feature i miss moving away from them.
Always enjoy your videos. Keep up the great work
Upgraded from a fanatec GT DD to a Simagic Alpha and it was well worth the price. I will move up to Simucube eventually but it wonât be any time soon. Extremely happy with the Simagic alpha
Asetek invicta owner. few months in now, very happy with it (its very fast). Their quick releases are expensive but that usb pass through is really convenient. The 6 port usb hub on the back is a really nice feature and helps with the cable management( got a fanatec h shifter and simagic p1000s plugged into the back of it and everything just works).
What wheel do you have with there QR?
@@MrJMHP a homemade Pokorny Engineering LMP Pro.
Also a usb converted fanatec BMW v1 from my old csw 2.5 setup