Does breaking Kareem's scoring record solidify LeBron's case as the GOAT? | NBA | UNDISPUTED
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- Before LeBron James passed Kareem Abdul-Jabbar last night as the league’s all-time leading scorer, he talked about where he sees himself among the all-time greats of the game. LeBron said quote: 'I feel like I'm the best basketball player that ever played the game. That's just my confidence, that's just what I bring to the table, what I possess. But as far as if the scoring record gets me to another level, I don't know.' Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe debate on whether passing Kareem closes the case on LeBron being the GOAT or not.
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Does breaking Kareem's scoring record solidify LeBron's case as the GOAT? | NBA | UNDISPUTED
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NOWAY. Go look at "Danger productions" goat comparison on You tube. JORDAN DESTROYS LEBRON BAD. Their is more info you guys dont know. CASE IS CLOSED JORDAN IS THE GOAT
Anthony Davis is a mole. He scored 13 points on one of the Lakers’ biggest nights of all time, when the team and LaBron needed you most! SMH
He’s garbage and played like he found out LeBron ok’d a trade which would have involved him for Kyrie or something.
That game was the most watched game in NBA history with viewers around the world captivated and you put up 13??! Against a team struggling to get into the play-in tourney??
They need to take his top 75 spot and give it to Dwight Howard frfr
Shannon sharpe has no say when it comes to the goat conversation because he is clearly bias, He is not a journalist, He is LeBron friend.
Nobody has ever turn the ball over more than LeBaron , Nobody talks about that . Mike is the goat
Fan boy shannon , Groopie shannon
Mad respect to Kareem for being there to congratulate LeBron in person for surpassing him as the all time leading scorer. Ultimate sportsmanship
We must be honest though. It's an amazing feat by James but Kareem didn't shoot 3's in his career
Yeah after being paid and beg by Adam Silver, come on Kareem was just criticizing Lebron 2 years straight
Yeah but Kareem still took like 100 more shots than Lebron as well so it balances out
Lebron is playing for a stat only not winning. Kareem and Jordan were playing to win games and championships.
@@yay568 bc they were 2s bro
They been arguing bout the same Jordan-LeBron debate since 2016😂😂
Damn near once a week too 😂 I think they have a playlist on this channel purely dedicated to only Lebron videos 😭
Since 20010 💀
Keep your eye out on The View count for each Undisputed video that debates who is the greatest player of all time
Yes sir😆
I know! This is such a dumb conversation too because in reality we all know that Iman Shumpert is the real NBA GOAT.
“It’s my turn” Skip…I need that on a T-shirt, that would make bread! 😅
"I take nothing away from what LeBron just accomplished."
"That's all you try to do!" xD
yea skip contradicts himself a lot.. by the way, the videos on the playlist on my channel might interest some people..
@@shezadm6300 Shannon has just been fired 😂
GOAT conversation will always be opinion based.
BEST ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION!
Yes but we know which opinion overshadows the other
@eboss14 Opinions cannot overshadow each other. That's not how it works.
No lebron is the goat it's facts
No its not opinion
Even MJ said it's hard to compare different generations of players because the game changes so much over time.
Yeah and LeBron said he was the best player to ever play the game
@@VICTORBARAHONA1983 Jordan also said that
That's Jordan being humble. He has class, unlike lebron. That's why nobody respects lebron.. and he knows it.
MJ was being humble. Lebron will never surpass Mike and he knows that.
@@TheStrategos392 calling yourself black Jesus is humble now huh
I like how Skip doesn't answer Shannon's question about MJ LOL
Because theyre stupid.....shannon over here bringing up baseball and hank aaron lol. Bruh...its a longevity stat....same as it was for hank aaron.
“LeBron is better. Who has the most home runs is baseball? Exactly that’s why LeBron is the goat” -Shannon not so sharp.
Shannon has just been fired
LeBron breaking record with 1335 more free throws and 2235 more three pointers show how great Jabbar was as a player.
it shows lebron is an all around player
Shows how much better Kareem was
Yup
Say all u want true fact LeBron did it in way less games
@@joshuag8 100 less games is way less? Not in the grand scheme of things. I would take A LITTLE LESS points per game for A LOT MORE efficiency. And that’s exactly what we are talking about here. Unarguably.
When it comes to Lebron vs Jordan, I always think Skip and Shannon might not be friends afterwards 🤣👏🏾
They will.
Skip talks about MVP’s _”Jordan 5 v LeBron 4, but LeBron played longer…”_ Um, Jordan took 11 seasons to get 5 MVP’s vs LeBron it took 5 seasons to get 4MVP’s. Skip, as usual, is purposely incomplete in his arguments.
@@bamboosho0t jordan should of won it every year they even gave it to other players because they was tired of jordan go look at jordan stats what are u talking about
@@bamboosho0t lol Jordan could've won at least 7 MVPs if the NBA didn't get tired voting him, 9 MVPs if he played the 2 seasons he retired in his prime. Also could've had 8 championships if he played in '94 and '95.
@@mikekeyes78 lebron should of won it way more aswell, he was snubbed off DPOY
I love how Skip avoids any stat that paints Jordan in a negative light.
Because they're moot in comparison to LeBron
Edit: for you dummies who lack reading comprehension, I'm implying that Jordan's shortcomings pale in comparison to lebron's.
@El Es really 1 scoring title in 20 years jordan has 10 in 14 years michael never lost a final and won an mvp for all 6 of his finals and it took lebron 16 years to score as many points as Jordan when Jordan only took 14 years Jordan have the highest ppg average of any nba player he holds the record and his average was 30 ppg if he played 20 years he would of ended with 49000 with that average I'll give lebron durability and longevity but that's it
Shannon does the same
Because Shannon's points make zero sense.
"Jordan couldn't beat the Celtics"
It was his 2nd year in the league and he was coming off a broken foot, he played like 18 games before the playoffs. And the 86 Celtics are one of the greatest teams of all time. And MJ still torched them. His 63 points in Game 2 still stands as the most points in a playoff game to this day. Bruh was in year 2. Whereas LeBron didn't even make the playoffs his 2nd year in the league. Nonsensical point
LeBron was a better 3 point shooter. Jordan played in an era where 3s weren't taken nearly as much. Go look at guys like Reggie Miller and Chris Mullin and Bird and compare their stats to today's players. Steph and Dame are taking 11, 12 3pointers a game now. It's completely ridiculous to even bring that up.
Although SS points are valid at the end of the day no body care about losing. MJ was great at winning at all costs and that’s a fact no one can dispute
Skip the only one who always brings up about “ Dan Gilbert accused lebron of quitting “ and “ lebron had to be sedated “ Lmaoo
Every single time. It's spaces on the Bingo board.
Shannon screaming the questions and skip just casually answering a whole diff point is 😂😂😂😂😂
Shannon going crazy about career FG percentages like he doesn’t already know it doesn’t determine who’s the better shooter/scorer,lol.
If it does then MJ’s a better shooter than Steph,lmao.
And Phil Jackson hadn’t even won a game yet let alone a championship when he became coach of the Bulls.He became the Phil Jackson👀 everyone know’s now by coaching prime MJ,Shaq & Kobe.He didn’t show up to Chicago like that.Shannon knows this as well,lol.
Yet but when skip does it, it’s a problem but when Shannon does it, it’s just “Unc Shay being Unc” 🧐
@@dc4690 Phil won without Jordan, did Jordan win without Phil?
Phil won with Shaq & Kobe.
Did MJ play with Shaq & Kobe?
@@dc4690 Jordan never won again without Phil, but Phil won without Jordan, so was it Jordan or was it Phil who brought the success? At the end of the day Coaching plays a pivotal role in winning championships. Clearly Jordan couldn't even make any team a contender if the coaching wasn't there meanwhile any team LeBron steps on is always seen as a contender even if the coaching is subpar. Jordan won those titles on the strength of coaching and the team around him. How good was Jordan without those guys? Did they even sniff the conference finals again?
bro sometimes Skip just be talking and not making sense😂
skip should get an oscar for his acting during every show
How? MJ is the goat
I swear Skip is just here to troll Shannon 😂😂
Literally 🤣🤣🤣
😂 Exactly! That brings him Joy, smh
Skip speaks from pure bias, complete disregard for logic and common sense. Kareem, Jordan, LeBron. It's up for debate with people that are open minded. Otherwise it's opinions based on bias, one way or another. Due to their different eras, positions, and overall career achievements/ moments it makes for a great discussion for level headed individuals. Excluding idiots and trolls. Such as Skip Bias.
Shannon is no smarter. He's actually the worst basketball analyst.
Skip is right Jordan is better than Lebron. Lebron is still trying to win six, and that team he lost to last night was bad.
as soon as shannon corners skip on one of his talking points, skip just goes to the next 😂
Every time Shannon makes a great point, skip changes the subject 😆
none of shannon's points were good tho
LeShannon changed the argument from Basketball to Baseball 👀🤣
Whhat great point??
@@bryrashad
And that very same analogy didn't work out well as that's what LeShannon does when he wants to deflect, he just changes sports.
Means he is running out of arguments dummie 😂
@@bryrashad Jordan was praised because he scored 63 points to Boston, the highest in a playoff Game ever.
Also, Jordan played less playoffs than Lebron but won more chips.
One thing i don't like is saying Magic and Thomas were old.
They were 29 , far from being old, and Magic could have been playing (told by himself) but decided to retire.
Nobody says that Jordan's Bulls were among the 5 oldest teams to win a championships. And nobody remembers than in that top 5 are Nowitsky's Mavericks and Tim Duncan's spurs, beating Lebron's heat.
The fact that the other one was retired for 2 decades and still in the conversation, speaks volumes.
It's speaks that we have been over feed this bs. I remember reading a news paper about what happened the night before and if I caught SC then that was the highlights. Social has ruined everything. Forced us to constantly live in the past. This is the real stunt to progression!
@@gentgolden1970 whatever makes you sleep at night.
@@carloantoniotubil2722 I get my 8 hours just fine. Out like a baby wit no old dried up I d o l s
@@gentgolden1970 i guess you got used to the lies you put in your head. Lol the whole world knows who the GOAT is but hey, we all need our 8hrs. Good for you. Good job!
@@carloantoniotubil2722 lol. My Goat does not play a game where the objective is to take a leather ball and put into a hole.
Skip's argument about Jordan taking 3 years off actually works against him 🤣
Did you see it too? 😂
@@deeno2good541 Yeah he's horrible 🤣
Remember when the Spurs let LeBron just have open jump shots?
Does it really?! The championships & accolades compiled in 13 full seasons is insane LBJ has 20 seasons & is trailing! 🤷♂️
Jordan took three years off, once they fired his coach, and second, he won six and never lost in the championship..
“What ya eyes tell ya skip?” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I like the part at the end bc they aren't screaming at each other, just laughing and having a normal conversation about basketball
Incredible moment. Still can't believe I really got to see it live in the arena
Must’ve been embarrassing to watch him lose
@@jonathanoloba7791he wasn't talking about the outcome of the game
I can't stress enough how grateful I am 4 Shannon Sharpe
Just finished the whole BS w/ Ja & the grizzlies over the weeks
& This gent is a treasure
Honest & w/as lil bias (except about Lebron)
But his acknowledgement & accountability
As well as the genuine sincerity in his apology
Should not b easily shrugged off
With the amount of clips made 4rm the out burst
I wish folk would keep that energy when someone tries 2 write their wrongs
UNC...
U R A GOAT... THANK U
I wish Kobe could of been there to witness this as well .. 😢
He’s probably watching down from Heaven giving him a standing ovation
I said that out loud during the game bless up
@@IsaacLikesGames that last shot bron made to break the record, someone out there must have yelled "Kobe!" 😂
Kobe im heaven like i still got 5 and you got 4 score all you want playa.
Could’ve or could have. Never COULD OF... And Kobe would cheer him, then trash talk SEMI-PLAYFULLY, AS ASSASSINS WOULD, and remind Bron that Kobe was always greater and better. MJ is NBA GOAT. Kareem is basketball GOAT. Bron is longevity GOAT. Wilt and Bill are GOATS. Kobe is GOAT. Always better than Bron. Magic is closest competition. Then Bird. Bron is top 4-6 for me.
Skip avoids answering questions like no other lol
Shannon brings up baseball during a badketball debate😂
Fax he just says ok and goes to the next topic
Talk about the ultimate deflector. Lol
@@da2552 because he’s tryna make a point use your brain
@@Up2you2 apples and oranges. Different sports.
How this man gone say “you can throw all the stats out” 😂😂 wym Skip 😂😂
The GOAT conversation will always be a sure way to generate ratings and dialogue
Respect to Kareem, as a man it sucks to be surpassed. Nobody has to admit it but it’s true. The fact that he arrived there is beautiful
He won't be forgotten, so at least there's that.
Kareen plays in an era that doesn't have 3 points shot for 10 years lol
@@jobofernandez8293 Thank you. And this era has relaxed the defensive rules and taken the power forward out of the game, which plays right into LeBron's strengths. Context is important
@@Themealman That's not excuse that's a fact
Well, Kareem surpassed Wilt. And with the trajectory that some of these young guys like Tatum, Luka, and Booker are on, they will eventually pass LeBron too. LeBron is going to dedicate his final 3-5 years in the league to try to make this record unbreakable lol
I’m just glad that Kareem is getting some recognition in the GOAT debate.
Sneakerheads have skewed the discussion for too long.
If you include high school and college, plus nba…he’s all on his own at the top!
@@GIBBO4182 amen
Poor Bill Russell he gets absolutely no love. 11 championships in 13 years. But isn't even worthy of being in the conversation. SMH
100% His stats and accomplishments make a compelling case still. One can make a GOAT case for either Kareem, MJ, or LeBron.
i know what they’re gonna say before watching and i’m still here for it😭😭😭
Everytime Skip opens his mouth his makes LeBrons case for him 😂😂
Skip moves the goal posts so much I feel like I need to hop in my car and drive around while listening to his nonsense lol
9:54 This quitting part had me dying, Skip deflect game is A1. 😂😂😂 Idk how Shannon do it
Man I swear. Skip make my head hurt listening to his bulljive sometimes 🤣
Lolol for real
So I guess his father being murdered doesn’t matter, huh?
Whenever Shannon brings up a good point Skip ignores it and changes topic lmao
@@famousdex1782 Bro what? 😐
Skip really said “If Cam Thomas can avg 50 a game for the next 13 years” 😭😂😂
lmao
He still hates Lebron.
Cam Thomas is good but bro ain’t “LeBron James” good lol
Literally couldn’t stop laughing 😂
Skip funny asl on accident 😭😭
Young people will never know how GREAT MJ was. Which is understandable because they never saw him play. I saw MJ, Kobe, and Leborn play and MJ was just unreal.
Michael also burned out fastest at 6 finals. LeBron has more longevity.
What about Robert "Tractor" Traylor? You really gonna leave him out?
🙄
It's not that Jordan won the 10 scoring titles. It's that he lead the league in scoring every year he won a championship. And sometimes also lead the league in steals. And was on the all-defensive teams. While winning titles. If Jordan was scoring a lot and losing earlier in his career, the point is this: He took a step back from scoring (a bit) to integrate his teammates in the triangle... because he knew that in order to separate himself from Magic and Bird, he needed to win championships. LeBron going after the all-time records now - and emphasizing the longevity benchmarks - when the Lakers are losing, is like Jordan's career going backwards.
Someone who has a brain
he’s still averaging 30 giving the lakers help at 40 years old. Jordan on the wizards was no where near as valuable as lebron is today
@@leaving10pins44
He actually had a bigger impact on the wizards than lebron is having on LA. Empty stats.
@@at2130 Jordan averaged 21 5 and for 4 and never went to the playoffs. Lebron has averaged 27 8 and 8 while also making it to the playoffs. How was Jordan more impactful
@@leaving10pins44
Lakers been trash 4 of 5 season with Bron with exception being bubble title. Teams score more now per game than 20 years ago do to rule changes so his numbers are higher but still doesn't effect winning. AD won them that title he makes LA go not lebron.
Jordan completely turned Washington around and headed to playoffs before knee injury and was averaging 25/5/5 same as TMAC. Jordan didn't have near what Bron does with LA.
"They act like two legends cannot coexist" -J Cole
It’s not about the legends it’s about the tier of the legend
@@SupervisorMartinez they're in the same tier
Only 1 King -NAS
@@user-qd6im2hp2e I think you’re confusing tiers for category
@@user-qd6im2hp2e nope
If you have been watching this show for a minute,you can definitely recite Skip’s lines.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
"His owner accused him of _quit-ting!"_
“You know it and I Know it”
It's amazing how this old white man has made millions of the same subjects smh
"Toenail on the line"
I love it how skip always changes topics when he loses
Because he’s NOT losing, and Shannon is just yelling to make his point sound right. Everything that Skip is saying is factual. MJ has done a lot more than Lebron in a lot less time. The only reason Lebron even has the all time points leader title is because Jordan retired twice while still in his prime. Those 10 scoring titles over the course of 13 yrs (really 11 full yrs) with the Bulls is a lot more impressive.
@@bzso9603 he is losing did u not hear the conversation? How can u still think mj better 😂😂
@@bzso9603 when lebron did what he did in 2016 against a 73-9 team (which Jordan never faced a team anywhere as good as that) he was cemented as the goat
@Trey Bronston the talent pool was much more spread out in The jordan Era. Outside of great franchises like the Celtics or Lakers. And to be fair for 6 years the bulls were absolute Juggernauts
@@treybronston1942 That’s hilarious… he never faced a team like that because he was that team! Btw, the Warriors losing those finals is more of a testament to how bad they melted down. The 96 Bulls would never.
Every time Uncle Shay make a valid point, Skip never have anything too say lmao.
Oh yeah, like Jordan quitting in 93. Very valid point. Jordan’s dad being murdered isn’t a valid excuse, right?
@@famousdex1782 cope harder
@@pavlegrebenarevic382 I mean…if Jordan isn’t your goat then it’s some guy that has lost more finals than won
Wonder what Shannon would have to say about this...⤵️
Per game all-time at his position MJ is 1st pts,1st blk,2nd stl,3rd reb & 5th in ast.
That’s top 5 in every category,top 3 in 4 outta 5 categories.He’s the only only player in nba history to accomplish that.
Per game all time at his position Lebron is 1st ast,2nd pts,9th stl,13th reb & 17th in blk.
That’s top 5 in two categories,top 3 in two categories.Great but not on MJ’s level clearly.Especially his defensive and rebounding numbers.The only category Lebron better’s MJ relative to their position is assist.We all already knew/know that because that is the ONLY thing Lebron has ever ‘had on MJ’.
MJ is #1 all-time in P.E.R. in both regular season and playoffs.
He’s #1 all-time in win shares per game in both regular season and playoffs.
He’s #1 all-time in BPM in both regular season and playoffs.
He’s #1 all-time in VORP per game in both regular season and playoffs.
He has the most scoring titles all-time.
He made the most all-def 1st teams all-time.
He lead the league in scoring and made all-def 1st team at the same time 9 times.
Lebron,Kareem,Wilt,Russell,Bird,Magic,Kobe,Hakeem,Shaq,Steph,Kd,Giannis,Jokic combined never did it once.Not one time.
MJ has the most trophies all-time with 22 in 1,072 games.
For context Bill Russell and his 11 championships is 2nd all-time with 17 trophies in 963 games.
Lebron is 3rd all-time with 16 in 1,407 games so far.
Kareem is 4th all-time with 15 trophies in 1,560 games.
There is no debate...except for the fake one nick wright and shannon sharpe have been pushing for yearS now.
@Pavle...
🤫
We didn’t refer to Kareem as the goat when he held the record so let’s not make the scoring record the measuring stick
That part
Exactly!!!???!!!
Slightly right , but Kareem in most ppl top 3 , top 5 ( ppl who actually know basketball )
Kareem had a great case and should’ve been considered the goat. He has 6 mvps
We didn't refer to bill russel the goat so let's not make championships the measuring stick
In 1991 Magic Johnson was in his prime. He was 32. He was like top 2 in MVP voting...
yep and he avged 12.5 apg in reg season and finals. no one has done that in finals since.
True but that lakers team wasn’t the same. No Kareem. Jordan ducked Kareem. Didn’t want any other of that real smoke from the real goat Kareem Abdul jabbar.
@cyberbron2077 Not saying they were the same as when they had Kareem, but they still had 5 all-star caliber players. People need to stop acting like the 91 Lakers were bums. The 91 bulls were simply one of the greatest teams of all time
@@whenisdinner2137 they weren’t bums, they just weren’t as great as the bulls. With Kareem they sweep the bulls.
They're both wrong! Michael Jordan only retired in 1993 because his father was murdered. He was so down that he lost his desire to play basketball. So he tried to fulfill his fathers dream of playing pro baseball. Quitting usually refers to not being able to win and then quitting. It's not quitting after winning a three-peat.
“Jordan was less human than Lebron”
Even Skip had to chuckle at himself for such a crazy statement 😂
I’ll say this, that was one of the coolest celebrations I’ve ever seen. Would’ve been wild with a W.
@@matthewjordan6957lebron quit playing after he got the record, he could’ve dropped 50
@@matthewjordan6957 aren’t you supposed to be in geometry class kid
@@matthewjordan6957 lunch break kiddo
@@Artifex422 good thing speculation doesn’t equal truth lol
They lost BECAUSE of the celebration. Should have been held after the game. Look at how the lakers played in the 4th quarter. Lebron, AD, looked asleep in the 4th and just gave up points again and again while russ and pat bev were trying to eek out a win. Im pretty disappointed in Lebron last night, how are you gonna go off for 36 in 3 quarters and then mentally go home because you are the scoring champ. Lakers need every win they can get, cant be taking nights off.
Shannon calm down bro! For once Skip is stating facts and Shannon having a meltdown like LBJ.
Nah, Shannon knows what he’s talking about.
Shannon got some hangover action going 😂
The funny thing is Shannon wasn’t a Lebron fan from the start, because I remember when he went on “All the smoke” podcast with Matt Barnes and Stakks and he said “he was a Kobe fan”
That doesn't make him anti lebron. U do know u can be a fan of multiple people
People can’t figure it out. It’s a DEBATE show. Skip told Shannon before they went to FS1 “you’re going to have to be pro LeBron to counter/debate me being anti LeBron”.
Shannon is old enough to appreciate Jordan more than most, it’s all just a show & people actually believe it. Shannon puts LeBron over Jordan because he makes $2-3m a year doing it…that’s the only reason.
Lmao Shannon was more than a fan. He called Kobe the GOAT on Twitter before LmAo. He just became a Bronsexuals when he started working for espn.
@@AngryWeebEXACTLY !!!!
This reminds me of lunch tables sports debates in school cafeteria 🤣🤣🤣
Bro facts 😂😂
Mike never beat BIRD, PERIOD, never BEAT BIRD in a playoff series
Shannon make my day. Haha its not even a conversation.
This conversation never gets old to me
Nope 😂😂😂
Lmao same
"Y'all find a way to romanticize losing when it comes to Jordan" 🤣🤣
Exactly 😂
Embellishing 6-0 forgetting that if he only went 6 times to the finals it means that he has a lot of losses in his playoffs series
@Yedolf Regardless of the way that you put it, getting the finals 10 times in a row is more impressive, simply due to the rugged terrain of path to get there.
@@paulojamo5442Lebron dominated a bunch of kids his entire career. Man is not even Kobe
I mean nobody has been more romanized than lebron
For losing *
This debate will forever be.
You can't compare one person to another especially different era. Change is constant and the game has changed over time. Wilt can't be compared to Kareem's/Magics/Birds can't be compared to Shaqs/Kobes/Lebrons/ can't be compared to KDs/Currys. One has a unique ability upon the other. GOAT Conversation is opinion based and unending.
Skip is so based, Shannon out here emotional and screaming and Skip just cold blooded giving out facts
“I love talking about lebron” we know skip 😭
Skip counts his bank account and says, _”I LOOOOOVE talking about LeBron!!”_
Why are we still being compared like cattle? Why can't they just all be great? they are two totally different players, great in their own right. Respect to them both!
10 finals in the modern game is crazy
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Michael Jordan
LeBron James
All 3 are the greatest of their era.
What separates Jordan is the fact that he made Basketball and the NBA a worldwide brand like nobody else ever could and his Bulls were the team to beat because of him.
LbJs mission is completely different. No other superstar had to carry the burden he had since his high-school days and it's insane how he's still on top of the game in year 20. His achievements will last longer than ever.
Kobe & Duncan dominated the early 2k
Kobe?? No he didn't. Shaq and Duncan did. As far as just scoring I would argue Allen Iverson was over Kobe in the early 2000s also
@@kelvinwilkes1050 your bugging kobe dominated the NBA in the early 2000s
@Yo Yo Yo I would never argue that. A.I was a straight dog!
"We are lucky Allen Iverson isn't 6'6"- Kobe
@@matthewjordan6957 all around better than Lebron ?
@Yo Yo Yo 😂😂😂
This record shouldn't change your mind. If Brons the GOAT to you he was before this. If MJs you're GOAT he's still your GOAT today. Either way it's a good argument.
@@matthewjordan6957 “looked better”🤨
You checking him out or
something?🤨
@@matthewjordan6957look at their stats again buddy😂😂😂 lebrons all around stats blows mjs out the water and lebron still playing 😂😂😂😂
@@matthewjordan6957 and lebron got a better fg%
If lebron james is on Jordan's level how come he never 3 peated?
its not an argument. lebron fans werent alive to see jordan
Larry Bird was right he said, referring to LeBron, "when it's all said and done this kid gon b better than all of us," Bird knew, gon b the only player in NBA history w 40,000 points, and the only player w 40,000 puts, 10,000 ast, and 10,000 reb Krazy. Best all around player for sure
Per game all-time at his position (SG) MJ is 1st pts, 1st blk,2nd stl,3rd reb & 5th in ast.
That's top 5 in every category, top 3 in 4 outta 5 categories. He's the only only player in nba history to accomplish that.
He's #1 all-time in P.E.R. in both regular season and playoffs.
He's #1 all-time in win shares per 48 in both regular season and playoffs.
He's #1 all-time in BPM in both regular season and playoffs.
He's #1 all-time in VORP per game in both regular season and playoffs.
He has the most scoring titles all-time.
He made the most all-def 1st teams all-time.
Now Shannon's saying him choking doesn't matter a L is a L he's clowning for that 🤣🤣🤣
Jordan went to play golf. Came back and did a three peat. 🐐
FACTS 💯💪🏆🐐🏆🐐🏆🐐🏆🐐🏆🐐🏆🐐
You mean baseball ⚾
@@letstalkwithpatrickpodcast lol We all know he was playing some golf too but yeah Baseball 🏆🐐😆
@@letstalkwithpatrickpodcast he did I’m sure. Dude was gambling degenerate.
After losing to Orlando the same year he came back! All 🧢
This show is like 2 lawyers arguing who's the prime suspect. And we're the judge letting them rip each other apart!😂😭
They will keep arguing about it to keep the topic alive forever and entertain the audience 😂😂
Kareem Abdul Jabbar held the scoring record for 38 years and at 38 years old, on the 38th day of the year, Lebron James broke record with a 38-point performance and now has 38,388 points.
This no accident. Alignment with the universe and the basketball gods.
Long live the King
LeBron wears number 6...Kareem 33. 3+3=6
Put the blunt down.
Some say he is The Chosen One. Hmmm.
The scripting is real!!
The world is a stage
One thing I know, the record that will never be broken is the assists.
Never be broken? Let's look at total rebounds. It ain't gonna even get sniffed in our life time.
Bobby Knight's stance on this is what I take. I would like to see a journalist/pundit try to make an argument against Bobby Knight.
You know you winning the argument when the opponent getting so mad he can't contain him self jittering like a kid😂good debate though
@@bryrashad shannon said people make excuses for jordan losing and his fav player is lebron...that makes no sense...shannon is so dumb its not even worth it
Since nobody's gunna say it I will congrats to the thunder for for winning this game and being part of history also congrats to king James
Who cares about thunder and shai?
@@deathcorp2076 it's fine Lebron always lost passing great players, Kobe, Malone and now Kareem🤭
@@zinjgreen3398 still can't understand what that has to do with anything, he has less 2 rings but he a better passer, rebounder etc and has done it for 20 years, even if bron had 6 chips yall would find somethin else....
@@deathcorp2076 facts. Jordan retired because of a coach... Imagine if lebron threatened to RETIRE because of a coach... The slander would be unreal... LeBaby, LeCry, etc... Lebron gets roasted for wanting his gms to trade fodder for key pieces but Jordan somehow gets praise for quitting on his franchise over a coach.. Lol cant make this up
Brah the thunder put mad effort and won
Lets give Skip credit for not loosing his cool every time Shannon did😂😂 cause this debate could of gotten real real LOUD
Skip wasnt threatened. QUALITY > QUANTITY. Jordan accomplished more in 13 seasons than lebron has done in 20 seasons.
@@MM-oj2pf False, There were several instances where Jordan had a weaker conference than LeBron. He played in one of the weakest era’s in basketball. An expansion league era. An era where Jordan made the playoffs several times as a 32 win team. Whereas a 32 win team in todays era is below the 10th seed. And he wasn’t making just the 8th seed as a 32 win team, but also the 7th seed. 2017 New York Knicks won 31 games and finished 12th. MJ made the playoffs with losing record 3 consecutive seasons. In 5 of his 6 NBA finals from 1992 to 1998 he faced a team that had fewer Hall of Famers than his own Chicago Bulls team. LeBron has beaten way more hall of famers than Jordan ever did
@@CriusXI your using facts, and if they don't fit the narrative they are ignored
@@Fist108 💯💯 soon as I pulled into work this morning they was already arguing 😂
@@CriusXI Bruh we can’t say that cause the East was PG(pure garbage) for most of the time Bron was in it…50 win teams in the West wasn’t making the playoffs some times
This debate will always be a thing even when I’m 70 yrs old and I’m 32
not really lechoke will be out of the picture by then
Skip is fantastic of deflecting lmao
Man kareem , MJ, and Lebron are all Goats in their perspective eras . Because each of them brought to table things most other players couldn’t do. Yes of course each era had superstars on their respected teams to help balance things . But each of these guys has done things most players wouldn’t be able accomplish.
*respective era
Today's era is sucks than in the 80s and 90s.
Kareem was a one trick pony, Shaq would have destroyed him in his prime.
@@lustthomas6033 Shaq would pass out from eating donuts before getting to the arena to match up with Kareem 😂
Shannon made a great point about Skip giving Tom Brady credit for coming back from 28-3 down, but not giving LBJ the same credit for leading the comeback against San Antonio in the 2013 NBA Finals.
You mean the Ray Allen miracle shot? What did the spurs do to the heat the very next year.
Man Tom Brady 2008 choke in the super bowl is never discussed
Yup
@@JC-db7so why do y’all discredit Bron for having teammates in a team game? And you do realize that the next year Bron averaged 28ppg, while Wade and Bosh combined for an average of 29ppg? He was half of the production from the “Big 3” while being guarded by Kawhi, but somehow that’s always ignored
@@jamesynfg2136Teammates ?
Fool those was SuperTeams
Dwayne Wade
Chris Bosh
Ray Allen
I love it... they're back to arguing...no more walking around on eggshells...the gloves are coming off...🙃
You just proved his point. When hank Arron broke the record. No one cared. No one said hank Arron is now the best ever. It was longevity bs. Everyone got it.
1 scoring title, 1 assist title. Holding the ball all game. No one could do that right? No they chose to actually let their team do certain things. That’s being a team player.
Lebron chased rings and still came up short. No three peats. Both runs in 06 and 18 were a joke. He played one hofer in both runs combined!
Malone in one playoff, played and beat; Hakeem, Barkley, drexler, Tom Duncan, David Robinson, Kobe, and shaq. Who also had two more all stars in nick v and Eddie Jones.
And they were the plumbers?
If you kids knew ball, they couldn’t fool you with such stupidity.
Na, still go with MJ. Lot of volume of games for LBJ though it’s an amazing accomplishment.
I LOVE THEM BOTH! THEY MAKE A GREAT TEAM!!!!!!!!!! I'M SO HAPPY FOR THEM!!
With skip deflecting Shannon’s questions, I get Liar Liar vibes. “I object!” “Why’s that Skip?” “Because it’s damaging to my case!”
Skip says throw out stats, then brings up stats
👏🏿
There is two sides of seeing things. Winning titles with 3 different coaches, players and team can somewhat proof you are great no matter the circumstances. In the other hand it can also proof that you aren't happy anywhere you go and always look for best opportunity to win specially looking for a stacked team.
I’d argue winning multiple championships with a single team through ups and downs proves greatness as well cause he had less control over the talent around him. Everytime Bron joined a team they sold their future to put him in the best position possible to win. It’s a lot easier to speak to 2 or 3 friends in free agency and meet up somewhere than getting owners to coordinate a trade. Not taking anything away from Bron but let’s not act like he was on those teams alone 😂😭
Exactly
@@AdrianSimmonsJr. Jordan had one of the best sports coaches in HISTORY, one of the best rebounders in history in Dennis Rodman, the most efficient 3 point shooter in history in Steve Kerr, a hall of famer as a number 2 option in Scottie Pippen and much much more…so if you wanna talk about stacked teams the argument goes both ways
@@AdrianSimmonsJr. Naaah. It's easier to just stick with your team when you know u are good and keep winning. Imagine if lebron and Kryie stick together and there were no GSW. That's more than 3 rings for LeBron......
winning on single team is way harder because you can't just reset because you either win now or build for future. Lebron left cavs to team up with prime dwade and cbosh. When they were aged and old, he left them and teamed up with young kyrie (1st overall pick) and Klove. Then he left again to team up with AD. It's so much easier to just reset and team up with another great talent than staying in one place and hope that things fall perfectly.
Can't we all just appreciate what we are witnessing without the goat conversation
As long as the Bronsexuals admit that Jordan is the GOAT then we all can just appreciate that Lebron is ok MT. Rushmore
Nope! Lmao
What’s delightful moment for Lebron to have Kareem bless him. Congratulations 🎉🎊🍾 @lebron James. Why is Shannon yelling
Someone put the 'Ol reliable' SpongeBob meme here.
I'm 48 years old and still in shape. At 38 what Bron is doing in insane at this age. If he needed 50 points he could have gotten it.
Thats because the league is so soft they give away lay ups. In earlier days guys fouled out of game saying earn them at the line. In this generation players don't foul out of games
@@timothystallworth5727 right that’s what Iam saying
They both great this conversation will never end
For me the goat debate is basically a argument between generations? How do you judge a goat? By championships one? Or by stats numbers? That is the debate I think. Regarding Jordan Vs Bron
But it should end...it should’ve never started.
Per game all time at his position MJ is 1st pts,1st blk,2nd stl,3rd reb & 5th in ast.That’s top 5 in every category,top 3 in 4 outta 5 categories.He’s the only player in nba history to accomplish that.
Per game all time at his position Lebron is 1st ast,2nd pts,9th stl,13th reb & 17th in blk.
That’s top 5 in two categories,top 3 in two categories.Great but not on MJ’s level clearly.Especially his defensive and rebounding numbers.The only category Lebron better’s MJ relative to their position is assist.We all already knew/know that because that is the ONLY thing Lebron has ever ‘had on MJ’.
MJ is #1 all-time in P.E.R. in both regular season and playoffs.
He’s #1 all-time in win shares per game in both regular season and playoffs.
He’s #1 all-time in BPM in both regular season and playoffs.
He’s #1 all-time in VORP per game in both regular season and playoffs.
He has the most scoring titles all-time.
He made the most all-def 1st teams all-time.
He lead the league in scoring and made all-def 1st team at the same time 9 times.
Lebron,Kareem,Wilt,Russell,Bird,Magic,Kobe,Hakeem,Shaq,Steph,Kd,Giannis,Jokic combined never did it once.Not one time.
MJ has the most trophies all-time with 22 in 1,072 games.
For context Bill Russell and his 11 championships is 2nd all-time with 17 trophies in 963 games.
Lebron is 3rd all-time with 16 in 1,407 games so far.
Kareem is 4th all-time with 15 trophies in 1,560 games.
There is no debate...except for the fake one nick wright and shannon sharpe have been pushing.
Acknowledge reality.
That’s all the stuff they won’t tell you in their ‘debates’...
All that info is why no matter how much they lie and tell partial truths and are hypocrites on anything MJ,still every time they poll the people it comes back 75-80% for MJ...We all know this stuff.Lebron fans refuse to do their homework and learn it as well.
All that info is why MJ fans are the way they are.Not saying that justifies the jackasses out there,but this is why you can’t tell an MJ fan anything.
If the tv clowns told the damn truth their would’ve never been a debate about who the goat is.
Lebron can’t even comprehend playing at the level MJ did...As you can see,nobody could.
He’s the goat...and it’s not close or an opinion...obviously.
@@dc4690your glazing rn bro chill tf out 💀
Shannon going crazy about career FG percentages like he doesn’t already know it doesn’t determine who’s the better shooter/scorer.
If it does then MJ’s a better shooter than Steph because he has a higher career fg%,lmao.
How bout NO...And y’all know who I’m a fan of! But that’d be just ridiculous to think that.
And MJ’s is 2+ % points higher than stephs,Lebron’s is only 0.7 higher than MJ’s and his 3-point fg% is 1.7 higher and yet shannon’s screaming for that to be acknowledged like it’s some point for his argument...🤦🏾♂️Wow.Either way he’s exposing himself.
The he’s going on about Phil Jackson.Phil hadn’t even won a game yet let alone a championship when he became coach of the Bulls.
He *became* the Phil Jackson👀 everyone know’s now by coaching prime MJ,Shaq & Kobe.He didn’t show up to Chicago like that,lol...And of course Shannon knows this as well,but he wants y’all to be like “👀oh see that’s not fair,Lebron didn’t have that kind of coach” or whatever type of argument like that.
He uses the younger gens ignorance about MJ to tell lies and be a hypocrite about his career because he’s mad at him personally.
Him and nick wright both know all the facts I posted about MJ...but when have you ever heard either of em mention any of it?
All they say is the “6-0 finals...assassin/killer” shtick?
They are professional emotionally animated hypocrite liar clowns (on anything MJ).
JORDAN-GOAT!
Honestly what none of u have the balls to say is MJ got babied and Bron doesn’t.. go rewatch those games.. they stopped the pistons from having the so called Jordan rules 😂 the league got soft because of MJ .. facts go watch the games.. MJ was guarding Jeff Hornacek Vinnie Johnson Mark Price John Starks Craig Ehlo Dan Marle Tim Legler Joe Dumars & Danny Ainge for 10 years straight he should have won more
Era Goats should be the talk, let’s just appreciate the Greatness before and now.
Congratulations to LeBron and thanks to all of the previous era’s greatest players who made this day possible for all NBA players!
“ I was there game 7 when he played against Reggie “ skip fried 😂😂
LMAOO
Let's not forget LeBron became playoffs all time leading scorer in his early 30s, same for most 1st all nba teams in history...
JORDAN GOT THE PLAYOFF LEADING SCORE
How many first all defensive teams. Lol 😂. Jordan was dominant on both ends. That's why he's the 🐐. LeBron had the scoring record...but he's still chasing mj
@@Shaolin91zMJ could never carry teams, nor has he ever beat dynasties full power
@@thesecond8187 go to sleep dawg
@@Shaolin91z yep. Kobe also has 9 first team all nba defensive team selections as well (kobe , jordan, garnett, gary payton sr.)
what is shannon talkin bout? magic was 2nd in mvp voting the year he faced mj he was still in his prime 😂
The funny thing about the Jordan Rules created by my Pistons, is those hard fouls wouldn't knock LeBron down the same way the knocked Jordan, even after he got some muscle. LeBron is just different.
Shannon: “Its only Ws or Ls on my menu!”
Skip brings up 2009 vs Magic
Shannon: “LeBron averaged 38 8 and 8 😤”
.... and he lost
Ummmmm how many greats lost, stop it jordan lost for 7 years straight averaging the most pts so stop it
@@mrpaiute9013 Did Jordan get wrecked by Shaq and Penny? Yes, he did.
Wrecked? He unretired late in the season. Didn’t have his legs and still got them to the eastern championship. Next year can back and asserted his dominance. Shaq has always stated Jordan is the best. Does that sound like a guy who wrecked Jordan.
@@bradcornell6329 to be fair shaq also state all the time that he’s the only man to stop Jordan in the playoffs in the 90s
Jordan
Kareem
Bird
Magic
Wilt
Russell
Kobe
Lebron
Hakeem
Shaq
Everyone has an opinion. I just hope no one will miss out or has missed out on the greatness both players has displayed on the court due to the media creating topics for their views and has made people pick sides. Because what comes with picking sides is hating and downplaying the other person greatness. I love them both.
people can act like they hate lebron, people can really have a deep hatred for lebron, but best believe they was all tuned in😂just how it is
@@matthewjordan6957 “we were tuned in”
@@matthewjordan6957 praying on another man's downfall. Shameful lmao
I would love to see a debate on what should be the definitive criteria to measure greatness. If we can agree on that maybe the GOAT conversation would be less subjective
One is that you have to be an all time great on both ends of the floor.....so that rules out a lot of people.
@@cornpopsrazor5375 thats not a good criteria. If you have a player averaging wilt chamberlain like numbers in todays NBA but doesn't play defense, he would still be the goat
The thing about GOAT conversations is that it's always going to be subjective and depends on what you value more.