Is Hell Actually Empty? w/ Dr. Alex Plato
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- This clip was taken from a recent livestream with Jacob Imam and Dr Alex Plato. Watch the full interview here: • An Intro to Philosophy...
In this clip, Matt talks about Fr. Richard Rohr, a Franciscan who preaches heretical teachings. One of Fr. Rohr's statements is that hell is actually empty. Is that really true?
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Jesus says more about hell than anyone else in Scripture!
What word in Aramaic did he use? We don't know. We know 'Hell' is translated from many words/phrases in Greek. Is Jesus, therefore, always talking about the same thing: Gehenna, the Valley of Henom, Lazurus' plight, the abode of the dead, Sheol, Tarturus, and then separately the more oblique references in Revelation?
There is also the 'consuming fire' in St. Paul and those who are 'saved by fire.' What if Jesus' references are at least partly purgatorial?
I see no reason to believe in an indefinite eternal torment for any. Can anyone provide a good argument why, that does not rely on a Biblically literalistic understanding of the NT terms, I should. The 'Jesus says it' does not work for me, for the reasons outlined above.
Was he talking about the western latinized version of hell or the Eastern hell of st Gregory of Nyssa tho?
@@PaxMundi118 Legit question, why so many concepts, how do they differ? What was their use? Thanks
'I also think he's a heretic' - didn't see that coming.
I started laughing when I heard that.
@@marcihf217 cracked me up too.
I did.
I would have used the word "unorthodox", even though that might be confusing to some.
@@trismegistus2881 When you contradict what Christ says in the Gospel, you are much more than merely unorthodox.
Saying Hell is empty is a way of saying there's no Christ on the Cross.
Or Hell is empty because Christ is on the Cross. I don’t think the Church Fathers who were universalists denied the saving work of Christ.
Theres no cross ! Jesus died on a stake! Common used by the Romans.
@@j.b.ranney7434 So was a cross. Jesus had to carry His cross to Golgotha out of the city. Whether it was the whole thing or just the top is debatable.
Sugarcoating the reality of Hell is one of the most profoundly uncharitable things a person can do. It is real and it is very easy to end up there.
Do you think you will enjoy heaven forever because of the eternal suffering of those you love who are damned? Or will you be in bliss despite their excruciating and unrelenting suffering? If it is the latter, how will God impose this celestial stupidity? What kind of extrication will he do on your soul? Where is the hope in all of this?
I would rather not enjoy the penthouse if my pagan mother is thrashing in agony in the basement, locked in chains. What would a good son do? He would fly to the basement, unlock the chains, and carry his mother to safety.
Or will God serve me so many cocktails in the penthouse that I will drunkenly forget my dear mother. Then, to hell with me.
@@PaxMundi118 That is a problem that I've pondered over for a long time. But I think it comes down to some things being extremely difficult, if not impossible to understand unless you have the Beatific vision.
I’m gonna put that on a shirt…(or maybe not haha)…Great way to sum this up!
@@truegirl2anna Because eschatology can be reduced to a t-shirt slogan? That's not the Sacred Tradition of the Church, but maybe there's a few bucks in it for...
@@airspan2020 That's where I disagree. I think your Christian anthropology is insufficient so your eschatology is flawed. For you to enjoy heaven while you sister or mother burns does violence to your awareness, memory, identity, not to mention the violence done to those you love. Do you really love those who you love? Do you love your enemies? If the answer is in the affirmative, you must hope for their salvation -- and you cannot exist, with integrity, during their infinite torture, doing nothing of good for them.
In an important sense, heaven is memory. Virtue is remembering. Sin is forgetfulness. Heaven is not a place to forget those who shaped your memories/identity/decisions.
There's nothing sugary about saying God is love and mercy and forgiveness and that the Church does not teach the existence of souls in hell. This is the powerful truth.
This is more reason to repent daily, not less. Hell is a negation. Purgatory is accountability. Be accountable to God for everything knowing you will face him.
Good on you Matt for pointing out the errors and lies of the priest or bishops who deny Hell , it’s important because Jesus went through agony to save cud from going there.
Ave Maria from Australia
Matthew 7:13-14 “for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”
Would you consider bringing him on? He's such a blessing and honestly quite confusing. He is who first introduced me to the Catholic Church !
Hell exists, and sadly, people do go there. This is the reason the Blessed Mother, when she showed Hell to the Children of Fatima, urged them to pray for sinners.
What is more reliable the Catechism or the Sheperd children at Fatima?
@@PaxMundi118 The word of the Virgin Mary is more reliable than Catechism
@@GuitarAndWhatevs Claims to have seen the blessed Mother are just that, claims.
@@GuitarAndWhatevs Nope.
@@hopefull61256 They didn't lied. They where pressured so much to say the truth, and they where all so young. Yet, none of them changed their story
For the last 3 weeks, every time I've had a question, you've uploaded a discussion clip addressing that very question. If that isn't the providence of God in my life I really don't know what is.
It's happened to me a couple of times since my conversion too...this dude is the reason Aquinas is my confirmation Saint.
same lol
Richard Rohr was investigated by the CDF and they found him to be in good standing.
I hope it's empty, but probably not. I'm trying to work out my salvation with fear and trembling.
@@bloodofthelamb13 I do believe that it's ok to hope that it's empty - provided you don't lose faith in divine goodness, justice, and providence if it is not. Scripture makes it clear that Hell exists eternally, and that people go there, but it doesn't state whether or not people remain there eternally.
I think it is a beautiful and mysterious thought that we are invited to pray "lead ALL souls into heaven". That prayer invites some hope. Jesus does say Ask and You Shall Receive. I often fear losing God through sin and it is beyond me to know God's understanding of heaven and hell. But we can meditate more on how Jesus' longs to be with us and how He is trembling with desire to be with us. He is the One who suffered for us so that none of would perish and so intercedes to the Father who cannot refuse anything of His Son who willingly died for the His Father's Will and love of His Bride.
@@JW_______ I see the existence of Hell in Scripture, but where is the evidence for it being eternal?
From what I've seen, any references to an eternal Hell refer "to an age" rather than to eternity.
@@bloodofthelamb13 Gregory of Nyssa taught this explicitly, and he’s a venerated saint. So I’m not sure where your reasoning is coming from?
@@bloodofthelamb13 I do believe that even in the three scripture passages you quoted there is room for hope that while it is metaphysically possible to suffer in Hell for all eternity (it's fire is eternal), that those who go there still can be saved, and that it will be no man's final destination.
Matthew 7 and 18 speak of "eternal fire" and "destruction," making clear that real suffering occurs in Hell. It is not a place we should wish to go. Hell fires are necessarily eternal as God's justice is an eternally inseparable part of His nature. However, the passage does not state that those who suffer eternal Hell fire will suffer it eternally.
The parable of the Rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16 mentions a great chasm, which cannot be crossed, between Hades and the bosom of Abraham (where second temple Jews believed the souls of the righteous rested with their fathers when they died), but surely this chasm is only uncrossable to humans and not to God. Indeed, the parable is set while the rich man's brothers are still alive on earth, before the final judgment at which time we are told in scripture that all shall stand before the judgment seat of God - meaning that those in Hades will cross the chasm at least once, to stand before God's judgment seat. Thus, while the parable certainly states that the great chasm prevents people from crossing at will, it does not eliminate all hope that the chasm may be crossed under the right conditions, through the workings of God's desire, after the purposes of Hell in accomplishing justice have been accomplished.
Enneagram is New Age. There's a talk by Friday Mitch Pacwa on it. You need to do a show on New Age nonsense, Matt. I'd be very worried if I were Fr. Rohr. Happy, clappy, all the way to hell. Prayers for him. Pretty sure that much self assurance in our own delusional thinking is a product of intellectual pride.
I reject the evils and stupidity of the New Age, but presuming the judgement of someone else's soul is a sin.
@@PaxMundi118 saying someone’s current path will lead them to hell is not a sin. It’s what we should be doing.
@@masonite6450 Your path of wasting your time giving judgements on people's souls is not going anywhere advisable. Judge your own soul -- or be judged.
"I'd be very worried if I were Fr. Rohr" -- lol shutup. Fr. Rohr has touched the lives of many Catholics in a deeply profound way, meanwhile we've got the all too scrupulous like you casting judgement.
Nobody who actually works with the marginalized, can doubt the existence of hell both in this life and the next life.
Neither my work with disabled people, nor volunteering with street people have given me any evidence that the God of love and mercy condemns his beloved and creation to an eternity of conscious torment. What evidence have you encountered? That people do horrific things? Yes, but so have the saints.
@@PaxMundi118 God isn't who does the condemning. You cannot blame God for the hell we create for ourselves, or the fact that some of us *choose* hell over heaven, for eternity, because heaven would be MORE painful and torturous.
@@TedSeeber That doesn't address my question, even if it is God who passively allows us to eternally brutalize ourselves.
@@PaxMundi118 Is that the "new theology" where God passively wills the existence of a diversity of religion?
Only a Calvinist would force God to have the power to deny free will to the point where God could *stop* us from eternally brutalizing ourselves. And for those who hate God, it's far more brutal to force them to be in God's presence for eternity, than to allow them to go off and eternally brutalize themselves. Hell is the merciful option, for some souls.
Or in the words of an atheist I was having a discussion with, some people don't want to be converted to be eternal praise-bots when they die. There are people in this world for whom that would be the worst torture possible.
Maybe you've been lucky enough never to encounter such a soul, but in the homeless population of Portland, OR they are extremely plentiful. And not just among the homeless population, but all the way up to the very wealthy landowners whose rent-seeking causes that homelessness.
Free will exists. Narcissism exists. Addiction to sin that will last into the next life to the point of causing pain when the ability to sin is removed, exists.
@@PaxMundi118 In a second reply, I must thank you. Yours and Fr. Richard Rohr's position were not understandable to me with only a Catholic lens; by adding the Agnostic/Calvinist predestination lens, though, universalism makes sense. Too bad denying free will is heretical, and despite appearances, is NOT a loving act on the part of a diety.
How is a priest allowed to makeup his own theology? Why doesn't the church discipline or correct him?
Lol...because Francis and the RC hierarchy are as liberal or more so than he is.
@YAJUN YUAN I'd rather have a shortage of priests that will lead souls to heaven than a plethora that lead souls to error and perdition....
@@Adam-ue2ig Don't you mean Francis and the hierarchy are heretical?
My understanding was that Catholicism allows us to be hopeful in the possibility of an empty hell, we just can't declare it with certainty.
If that was the case, why would Mary warn the children of Fatima and show them souls going to hell? There are other saints who've had visions of hell.
Not at all. Saints have seen a populated hell and Jesus himself said that the narrow path is chosen by few. I rely on them not heretical theologians and prelates.
@@Irisgomesjmjfaith There is a difference between private revelations (such as Fatima), which the faithful are free to believe, and the Church teachings that the faithful are bound to believe.
Regarding the famous visions etc of souls in hell, I don't see how that would have to conflict w/ the view of other Saints, like Gregory of Nyssa, that believed there was a chance for even those souls to eventually be redeemed and ultimately empty hell in the end.
@@Irisgomesjmjfaith Why would Mary ask us to pray that Jesus leads all souls to Heaven
Richard Rohr has helped me with my walk with Christ more than any other Christian writer and teacher. I never completely follow any MAN completely. I follow Jesus completely. But, his insights are so illuminating
I wish we got back to the real meanings and distinctions between Sheol, Hell, and Gehenna.
I thinks it's Catholic dogma that hell is eternal, so if you open up the idea of any alternative interpretation then you risk heresy. This is not however the case with eastern orthodoxy where there is not really any dogma. And there are even ideas of praying people out of hell. (For what it's worth)
@@ProdDC-tg7rl whilst prayers for the dead can benefit souls in an intermediate state (Communion of saints principle), busting them out of "Hell" state is not possible. But at the end of the day is that we don't know. We hope and offer prayers. The definition of hell is not dogma in the Orthodox Church, because who really knows, and why does it matter if it doesn't further the faith and dwells on meaningless things. The best we can do is approach it philosophically and reason that since God is omnipresent, and his love is pure, after death, we all experience his love and radiance. If we are holy enough, it will be cleansing, if we are not, it will burn. We are never separated from God, He doesn't take away his love from us, we take ourselves away.
@@hellene3546 I agree with that but I also have hope in pio padre s idea that even after someone s death you can pray for their conversion. He prayed for his grandfather s conversion 20 years after his death. God is not bound by time and space so we can i pray have an influence over someone's eternity. However i mass said for a living soul is more beneficial than 100 after death. So I've learned through a recent tragedy to have masses said for my living family through missionary priests see aid to the church In need. They also do gregorian masses for the deceased
@@hellene3546 The Byzantine understanding of God’s love being an all-consuming fire is genuinely an intriguing and beautiful concept. I’m inclined to believe it myself.
I told myself I'd stop debating with Jesuits until America Magazine supported pro-life politics again.
But from my understanding:
Sheol- a place where people wait to be reborn (since there are, in the Kabalah, only 1,728,000 Jewish souls that are destined for paradise once they get done reincarnating on Earth, it's a halfway stop for that 1.7 million people until there are new bodies available to be reborn into their tribe, 144,000 for each of the 12 tribes)
Hell- A place of eternal separation from God that is built by those who wish to go there.
Gehenna- Purgatory, the purifying fire that we pass through briefly on our way to heaven, where all our sins are burned away.
Hell isn’t empty, it holds the demons.
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There is absolutely no way to defend the false doctrine of Hell and eternal conscious torment from the Hebrew or Greek Scriptures. You can try it from English translations, but not from the Hebrew and Greek.
Judas iscariot is the prime example of souls going to hell…
We actually don't know if Judas is in hell. We don't have 100% knowledge of any humans going to hell, because we don't know God's judgement of their heart at the time of their death.
Judas repented at the end.
Without Judas, Christ wouldn't be crucified.
Don't be too haste to judge. We don't have the knowledge and tools to assess that. Fortunately, there is absolutely no need for us to do the judgment on him.
@@austinjoseph8849 Judas repented, but dispaired. He didnt trust God. Look at how different his conduct was comparing to St Peter, who also betrayed our Lord. I dont know if Judas is in hell, but the fact that he repented was not enough.
By the way, I know you're not really fans but if you want to hear an extraordinarily powerful sermon, this past Sunday, Jesus at the wedding of Cana by His Excellency Bishop Robert Barron is the most important sermon I have personally ever heard. (your water into God's wine...) I listened to it as part of my morning prayer this morning and it was absolutely moving.
Bishop Baron is of the opinion that hell is empty.
@@franktoyou Which is theologically incorrect. It denies reality that there are people who DO die in mortal sin and go to hell because of that. Most people go to hell because of sins of the flesh !
@@femaleKCRoyalsFan Hans Erts Von Balthasar famously said “dare we hope that all men are saved” very progressive theologian during Vatican II. Ratzinger was a follower of Balthazar. Bishop Baron is a outspoken follower.
That story has nothing to do with Mary being a prayer intercessor. It is about Jesus doing His first public miracle.
@@femaleKCRoyalsFan And Jesus forgives all sins. His blood covered them all. When you refuse Jesus as Savior then you go to hell.
Genesis 12:3 --- All peoples on earth will be blessed through Abraham.
Genesis 22:18 --- All nations on earth will be blessed through Abraham’s offspring.
Psalms 22:27 --- All the ends of the earth and all the families of the nations will acknowledge God.
Psalms 65:2 --- All men will come to God.
Psalms 86:9 --- All nations will worship and glorify God.
Psalms 103:8-9 --- God is compassionate, will not always accuse and will not be angry forever.
Psalms 145:9-10 --- The Lord has compassion on all His creation and all He has made will praise Him.
Psalms 145:13 --- The Lord loves all His creation.
Psalms 145:14 --- The Lord upholds all who fall.
Isaiah 25:6-8 --- God will prepare a feast for all people, He will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers up all nations. He will eliminate death, wipe away the tears from all faces and remove the disgrace of his people from all the earth.
Isaiah 45:22-23 --- God has sworn an oath that every knee will bow before Him and every tongue will swear by Him.
Isaiah 49:6 --- God’s salvation will be brought to the ends of the earth.
Isaiah 54:8 --- Although God will hide His face in a surge of anger, He will also have compassion with everlasting kindness.
Isaiah 57:16-18 --- God’s anger is not permanent. Although He punishes man, He will heal, guide and restore comfort to him.
Jeremiah 31:33-34 --- All men will know God, from the greatest to the least.
Lamentations 3:31-33 --- The Lord does not cast off forever. Although He brings grief, he will also be compassionate.
Ezekiah 18:21 --- God does not any pleasure in the death of the wicked. Rather, He is pleased when they repent.
Micah 7:18 --- God does not stay angry forever.
Matthew 18:13 --- Like the man who owes a hundred sheep and is not willing to lose even one, God is not willing that any one be lost.
Luke 2:10 --- The birth of Jesus is good news for all the people.
Luke 3: 5, 6 --- John the Baptist quotes Isaiah’s words that all mankind will see God’s salvation.
John 1:29 --- Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
John 3:35 --- God sent Jesus to save the world.
John 4:42 --- God has committed all things to Christ.
John 5:25 --- Even the dead will hear the sound of Christ and all who hear will live.
John 6:37 --- Everything that God has given to Christ will come to him.
John 12:32 --- When Jesus is lifted up from the earth, he will draw all men to himself.
John 12:47 --- Jesus came to save the world.
John 17:2 --- God granted Christ authority over all people so that Christ may give eternal life to all that God has given him.
Acts 3:20-21 --- Jesus must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything.
Romans 3:3-4 --- The unbelief of some will not nullify God’s faithfulness.
Romans 5:18 --- The act of obedience of one man (Jesus) will bring life for all men.
Romans 8:19-21 --- Creation itself will be liberated and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
Romans 8:38-39 --- Nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ.
Romans 11:32 --- God made all people imprisoned by disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
1 Corinthians 15:22-28 --- All will be made alive in Christ, but each in his own turn and ultimately Christ will subdue all his enemies, eliminate death and God will be all in all.
2 Corinthians 5:15 --- Christ died for all.
2 Corinthians 5:19 --- Through Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself.
Ephesians 1:11 --- God will bring all things under heaven and on earth under Christ.
Ephesians 4:10 --- Christ ascended higher then all the heavens to fill the whole universe.
Philippians. 2:9-11 --- Every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord (In 1 Corinthians 12:3, Paul writes that no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except by the Holy Spirit)
Colossians 1: 19-20 --- God was pleased to reconcile to Himself, all things on earth and in heaven through the blood of Christ.
1 Timothy 2:4-6 --- God wants all men to be saved and to know the truth. Can God’s desire be thwarted?
1 Timothy 4:10 --- God is the Saviour of all men, especially (not exclusively) those who believe.
Titus 2:11-12 --- God’s grace, which brings salvation has appeared to all men.
Hebrews 2:9 --- Jesus tasted death for everyone.
1 John 2:2 --- Christ is the atoning sacrifice of the sins of the whole world.
1 John 3:8 --- Christ appeared to destroy the devil’s works. The doctrine of eternal damnation denies the victory of Christ!
1 John 4:14 --- Christ is the Saviour of the world.
Revelations 5:13 --- Every creature in heaven, on earth, under the earth, and on the sea will sing praises to him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb (Christ).
Revelations 21:4-5 --- God will dwell with men and he will wipe every tear from their eyes, death, mourning, crying, pain and the old order of things will pass and everything will be made new
To be called a heretic was the same as being condemn to hell. Now it's seen as no big deal?
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Revelations 22:19
I think the idea they were getting at is that by calling it out we can hopefully compel them to correct their path and repent. That is the purpose of excommunication too.
Formal vs material heretic.
Even the elect may be deceived, especially by a subtle form of false mercy.
@YAJUN YUAN your absolutely correct. Only rejecting Christ condemns us.
"But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea." I agree that they were making heresy sound like it was not a big deal. It is a huge deal, as well as excommunication. They are on the path to hell, but they do have time to repent as long as they are alive. We need to pray for them that they do repent, and publicly, because they have led so many people astray.
Fr. Rohr is not a faithful priest. Mother Mary said to the girls at Garabandal, “Many priests and bishops are on the road to Perdition and they’re taking many souls with them.”
A heretic goes to hell, remember scandal=milestone->deepsea. Angels that sinned committed one (1) sin and were damned for all eternity.
Just accept what Jesus Christ said and not presume on wishful mercy that He didn’t say. Our Lady of Fatima showed 8-10 year olds a vision of Hell. Little Francisco at 9 could not see her until he said his Rosary properly.
Why do you base your theology on a portion of an apparition the Church teaches us we are free to reject in good conscience? Indeed, the pious "visions" of children, in every case, should be held to much scrutiny before they are represented as Dogma and binding on Christian souls. The supreme and God-breathed authority of the Catholic Church is the Holy Bible, not sheperd children in Portugal.
Prioritizing esoteric Mariology over the Scriptures is heresy. Repent!
I appreciated you bringing up Richard Rohr. I've been very confused by his teachings, especially some of what he talked about when Oprah had him on her Sunday show. Close relatives,who are very much into New Age (perenializm), are big fans of him so it makes me concerned that he calls himself Catholic.
The Priest in question does not help anyone by telling them they can’t go to hell.
He is probably seen as a loving Christ-like priest unlike the old stuffy Pharisaical self-righteous judgmental priests who use fire and brimstone homilies.
People like Richard Rohr like to twist the Gospel to make it appealing and nice to people who don't actually want to follow the gospel
"Hell is empty and all the devils are here."
- Shakespeare
Look around, he's not far wrong
Shakespeare is in hell.
What's wrong with not WANTING anyone to go to hell? that's not to say that no one is in hell, but what's wrong with not wanting anyone to go to hell? and hoping that no one goes to hell? Not to say that's what this guy said, but I don't think there is anything wrong with not wanting anyone to go to hell. and I think that "conservative Catholics" that flaunt hell around as anything more than an absolute tragedy have gone off the path. no one should be happy anyone is in hell. I'm a conservative and a Catholic btw
Bro! Matt doesn’t want anyone to go to hell either. That’s not the point of this clip. There are actually heretical clerics out there that there is no such thing as the devil and that he’ll is empty. That is 100% wrong! That is what Matt is trying get across.
Being a conservative Christian is just preserving the bible which all Christians should do. Only a non-practicing Christian could be progressive.
There are TWO *TRUTHS* that Few will be SAVED, and that MANY will be SAVED but ONLY through Purgatory.
Well done, Matt -- and agreed, of course. Hell is real, and sadly, there are many souls there. If nobody goes to Hell, which is of course a logical fallacy, then the power of virtue on a man's soul is null and void, something we know empirically is false. So, I am surprised Fr. Rohr has become so confused on this issue. But, as you well know, there is a lot of confusion these days within the Church. Thanks and God bless.
There’s going to be a LOT of surprised folks when they get to the pearly gates.
I like a clip from the discussion around @28:00 mins. from this 2-plus hour podcast, where people don't think by themselves today and just parrot what they see on the internet. It is very relevant, and I think a lot of people don't realize that they lack critical thinking.
Woah look at all the fake Catholics casting judgement from behind their screens and anonymity. You are not the decider of someone's eternal fate, you are NOT God almighty. Focus on your salvation and try to see the good intentions in the teachings of others. If you can't, at least have the humility to learn and save your judgement for later.
Yes exactly... preach it
100% with Matt Fradd and crew on Richard Rohr's deviant theology. I think it's above our pay grade to issue the term heretic, but "likely a heretic" is probably a good guess regarding Rohr's Cosmic Christ and all that bunk.
On "Excommunication doesn't mean you're going to hell":-
On Friday 22 September 1871, Mary MacKillop was excommunicated by Bishop Sheil of Adelaide for alleged insubordination. In 2010 she was Canonized as Australia's first Saint.
As a secular Fransican, thank you! Thank you so much.
So much confusion in the fransicans.
What's a secular Franciscans
@@astrophel3302 a secular Franciscan is a third-order Franciscan who is a lay member of the Church that follows the Franciscan way of life. It basically means that they aren’t a friar or nun but live in the world like you and me.
Whoa. I thought being a heretic meant you were excluded from the church and salvific grace. This raises a lot of questions for me, such as "let them be anathema..."
Formal vs material heretic
I don’t like his language here. Typically being a heretic does exclude you from the possibility of salvation without repentance.
As Catholics we are allowed to hope that hell is empty.
O my Jesus, forgive us our sins,
save us from the fires of hell;
lead all souls to heaven especially those who are in most need of
Your mercy.
Amen.
@@epistemophiliac5334 why do we pray to Jesus to lead ALL souls to heaven if we are not allowed to believe in the possibility? Do you pray the Rosary? What do you do you think about the Fatima prayer if you don't believe in the possibility that Jesus might actually "lead ALL souls to heaven"? Is it just about us hoping for something impossible?
Edit: this is not a rhetorical question, I really want to know. Why are we praying to Jesus to lead ALL souls to heaven if we are not allowed to believe in the possibility? Anyone?
@@christophlindinger2267 I think we're praying for the salvation of those alive today, who haven't made their final choice yet
Historically the Catholic church or any of its representatives calling somebody a heretic often meant calling them a wicked horrible person. You can put make up on the term but it is historically loaded. Why not say his views are heterodox or non-conformist.
Might want to double check your definition of the word "heretic". Just because you don't like the oft implied connotations doesn't change its literal definition. The word "spinster" is also historically loaded, but whatever people might think of when they hear the word all it means is an unmarried woman over the age of 22; nothing less, nothing more.
You're falling into the "Church of Nice" trap of being afraid to call a spade a spade. This is not charity. In fact, it borders on being a sin of "human respect", the need to be liked by others. If you understand the meaning of the word heretic, you should be asking yourself why you're so insistent on using less strong language towards those who spread heresies.
@@benakinjo oh I know what the word heretic means. But as you probably know the meanings of words can also evolve over time. "Gay" does not mean bright, joyful, and happy but something else because of how society has attributed to it over time. There are many more examples. So let's be honest that heretic does not just mean what it originally meant but has other meanings which are also socially constructed.
I am not denying the original meaning but suggesting more technically precise terms that do not have all the baggage heresy contains.
Torture, killings and persecutions were perpetrated on people called heretics. These actions leave marks in language. To deny them is to deny the evil these words caused.
Modern OFMs trying not to say an heresy every minute
Imagining living a life of celibacy and poverty, and then just not believing God and spreading heresy.
They and the Jesuits were completely infiltrated first by frmasons and than by commies. Both orders were doing too much good. But let us take heart. In the end, the Immaculate Heart of Mary will triumph (interesting how there are lots of fires, tornados, floods happening around the world and often all that remains standing is a statue of Our Lady - she is our sure refuge)
Probably not a good idea to lump an entire order together like that. Don't judge an order solely by the members who make headlines, and don't judge the members solely by the headlines they make.
@@bolapromatoqueejogodecampe8718 they shame St. Francis of Assisi and St. Ignatius of Loyola
@@bman5257 The Novus Ordo mass, though valid, and other Vatican II changes will do that. The majority of priests formed after Vatican II see themselves as social workers, not as spiritual warriors. The head of the Jesuit order went so far as to say that the devil does not exist, if I am not mistaken. There are good and holy Jesuits and Franciscans, however.
Matt Fradd: the self-proclaimed & righteous judge, jury & executioner
Our Lady of Fatima: “Pray, pray very much, and make sacrifices for sinners; for many souls go to hell, because there are none to sacrifice themselves and to pray for them.”
She cannot make any sacrifice for sinners. Jesus was our sacrifice. Buy His blood we are saved.
@@bcalvert321 +JMJ Jesus opened the gates of heaven; thus, at baptism our souls are wiped clean. When we receive absolution in the Sacrament of Penance, our sins are forgiven and we are in a state of grace; however, we must make reparation for the harms we have caused others in this life or the life to come. Mt. 12:31-32; 1Cor. 3:11-15
@@brianbacon5149 When we accept Jesus as our Savior His blood covers our sin. No water washes them away, it is by His blood and that alone. Baptism comes after we are saved to show others we are saved. Infant baptism does not wash away sins because that child has not sinned against God. If that were true that child would never need Jesus blood to cover his sin, ever. Since the child cannot take the Eucharist then that child is not saved according to the Catholic faith. So it is a futile act to baptize an infant. Penance comes when a person repents of their sin. That is a work in progress and cannot be done by any sacrament. Mt. 12:31-32; and 1Cor. 3:11-15 are 2 totally different subjects. Mathew 12 is about denying the Holy Spirit. For me, that is denying the works of the Holy Spirit. I have heard a few say that is denying Christ, but that would be a lifetime of denial which might be correct but then it takes away the deathbed receiving of Jesus. I think it has to do with the Gifts of the Spirit and denying His works. Which could of course be denying Jesus but God's grace can come many times in life and not just a one-time happenstance.
1Cor. 3:11-15 It says a person could lead a good life and accepts Jesus easily. It also says those who have led wicked lives can come to Jesus and are also saved. But both are clear on this, both need Jesus and the once wicked person is just as saved as the man that may have led a good life.
@@brianbacon5149 Jesus alone saves a person's soul. It is not by any doing of any act at a Catholic church. Our soul is wiped clean when we confess our sins to Jesus and repent of those sins. That is a lifelong act between us and Jesus. No priest or church is ever needed. We should always repent to those we have wronged. But no reparation is needed unless Jesus has told you to do this. Mathew paid back those he cheated as a tax collector. But what reparations did Peter ever pay back. He lied and denied Jesus. Did Jesus say you owe me? No, He did not. Judas had given his soul over to satan. But if he had not he may have been forgiven also. Forgiveness goes both ways. What reparations has the Catholic church done over the centuries? The gold they have stolen, the slaves they made, and the killing of the Jews and Muslims. The papacy has been filled with sin, murder, thievery, rape, and so on.
Matthew 12:31-32 All sins can be forgiven except those against the Holy Spirit. That means all sins, lying. murder, rape, incest, and any other sin. What cannot be forgiven is the sin against the Holy Spirit. There are several different thoughts on this. Mark 3:28-29, Matthew 12:31-32, and Luke 12:10, as well as other New Testament passages including Hebrews 6:4-6, Hebrews 10:26-31, and 1 John 5:16. All talk about it in different ways. Basically, they say if you know what sin is and continue to sin and never repent then that is the unforgivable sin. That sounds good to me but all sins can be forgiven if you truly repent to Jesus.
@@brianbacon5149 Jesus' blood covers our sins. They are not washed away by baptism. This is why everyone who followed John the Baptist had to accept Christ as Savior after He arose. They sinned again after John had baptized them. We are saved by His blood covering our sins by to flowing from Heaven continuously. We are to repent of our sins. We are to confess them to Jesus. We don't need a priest and we don't need a Sacrament of Penance to repent. Reparation should happen if we owe the one we sinned against. Even if it is saying I messed up. Most of our sins are against God. We cannot repay God in any way that is sufficient and He never asks for any.
Richard Rohr certainly has different or unorthodox teachings, but I don't believe he is a heretic. Perhaps incline to get the man on your show before dealing such a harsh blow. He has many things to say and challenges the norm...just because you're inclined to tradition doesn't mean you should fear Fr. Rohr. Challenge your presuppositions and don't say..."uhhh but tradition"
'For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God' (Galatians 2:19)
Pls.pray the rosary and devine mercy chaplet to free all countries from war, diseases, calamities, hunger, corruption, drugs, prostitution, abortion, homosexuality,divorce, slavery, terrorism, communism and all evils.pls pray for peace and joy in all families and home.
Properly speaking the word “hell” is not in the Bible. Nonetheless, plenty of the early Fathers, particularly in the East, believed strongly in all people being ultimately restored to God at some point. Even St. Augustine acknowledged that many brothers in Christ in his day believed in some kind of ultimate reconciliation. And he considered them brethren.
This does sound amazing if I have to be honest. Though, it begs the question. If all people are ultimately restored to God in perfect union, why does it matter how we live in this side of eternity? We could indulge our every desire, no matter the cost because in the end…there will be no real consequence.
@@ArturoCabello Stand before God and say, "it doesn't matter how we live."
@@PaxMundi118No one is saying that. And for the record I don't hold to apokastasis/Ultimate Reconciliation. But plenty of smart, devout, godly people have/do.
@@ArturoCabello It would matter how people live for lots of reasons. For one, living godly is living according to who we truly are as children of God. Also, living godly is living in accordance with reality whereas living sinfully is living contrary to reality and has very real consequences. Furthermore, the Fathers and it seems like most to this day who believe in Ultimate Reconciliation also believe that all people, or at least unbelievers, will have to go through a cleansing, purging fire of some kind. So, they don't think that Hitler automatically went to Heaven. In their views Hitler could still be in the cleansing, purging process. So, those are just examples of how there's a lot more to it oftentimes. To be clear, I don't hold to this view. But, I am hopeful that it's true.
@@riverjao One of the reasons why "it matters how we live" is Divine Judgement, the fire of purgatory, and all that comes with a life in which "every word counts," as Scripture says.
Truth is not based on what does or doesn't hurt our feelings.
Heresy is a sin against faith, "the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith" (CCC 2089). Rather than "simplification of the faith," it appears to be a grave matter against the first commandment.🤔
Matt, I appreciate your words about Richard Rohr here. His panentheism and separation of Jesus from “the Christ,” in which we are all manifestations of in some degree or another are heretical.
However, I disagree with your parallel between heresy and Protestantism with its value in simple truths of faith. Catholic theology is certainly complex and intricate, but complexity (or simplicity) of itself is no certain marker of what is true. Correspondence to the truth represented is the marker. Some truths revealed by God are complex, others simple. We believe that the way to justification is properly simple in this regard.
We would say that Catholic theology makes the way to communion with God too labyrinthine, and so falls under the censure of Christ toward the Pharisees in Mk. 7. Jesus takes as an assumption that the commandments of God can be known and understood by those who hear them without an infallible mediating interpreter. The Pharisees (as well as those who listening) have the ability to distinguish the commandments of God from the tradition of men. Yet by their complexity of reasoning they have made void the word of God and established the tradition of Corban.
I wish I knew the reference of the second Lewis quote. I know the first one from his talk on Christian Reunion, but I am not familiar with the second. Can anyone help me? I would guess that this is not a blanket statement in favor of complexity, but rather when something properly complex is turned simplistic.
Again, thank you for your video and your comments on Fr. Rohr. God bless!
There are many heresies in Catholicism. Anything that takes away Christ's Words or waters then down are heretics. Such as giving Mary and the other saints jobs that Jesus alone has. For example, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are our intercessors. Mary and no other saint can do this. They cannot save souls or heal the sick. Mary cannot pray for you nor do they prophesy to us here on earth. Again those are works done by the Trinity. They do not need help.
Such a brilliant gospel message Matt. Great job. Really proud of your keeping on. You are getting better and better at this man. Love seeing it happen. =)
Christ warned strongly about Hell ....who did he say was there?
He makes lists.
If Hell was empty our Mother wouldn't cry showing us how she suffers for what is coming to the world, and Christ wouldn't have given His life for us because at the end the problem was not so serious and it doesn't matter if we are good or not so good...
Well, you got the end right.
Nobody gonna comment on the fact that they said heretics broke from tradition to good things and that a heretic isn’t cut off from salvation..???
Hell is empty, my guy. Sorry to let you down.
So I’m here, thinking, “man this guy in the glasses looks a lot like my high school Bible class teacher, Mr. Plato. He even has the same mannerisms, although maybe a little heavier, but who isn’t 15 years down the road”. Then I realize, ITS HIS BROTHER! Shout out to Nick. Miss you brother!
"You can always identify a schismatic/heretical group because it's simpler than the thing it came from."
*Orthodox:* Consensus of the church
*Catholic:* Look just follow the pope
@@byronhamilton8021 what is meant by primacy? A place of highest honor, and perhaps a court of ultimate appeal? Or one having supreme authority in all cases whatever over the whole Church and his brother bishops? That latter understanding is not attested anywhere and was not even advanced by the popes until the middle ages.
If the Bishop of Rome had the power he now claims, then of the 7 ecumenical councils, why wasn't even one attended by the bishop of Rome, or even summoned by him? Why weren't any of them held in Rome, or even in the West? 🤔
You do not need really to go further than Acts - if St. Peter was the first "pope", why didn't he chair the Council of Jerusalem (instead of St. James the Just) and why was Peter's position (circumcision for converts) in fact, overruled? Nevermind that Peter founded many dioceses before going to Rome - Antioch for one.
The Patriarch of Antioch and many other bishops sit in the "chair of Peter". In fact every bishop sits in the chair of Peter because the authority given to Peter was given to the whole Church and all the Apostles.
Reading the first chapter of Steve Ray's book, I would not call it scholarly at all - it seemed to me amateurish and rehashing well-known papist arguments while ignoring most of the (copious) evidence to the contrary.
There is no "vicar of Christ" because Christ Himself is the Head of the Church, which is His body. Christ is with us, in every Liturgy and in every Eucharist, and shall be forever until the end of the world.
@@byronhamilton8021 Consensus of the Church means what it says - schismatics are condemned by and not in eucharistic communion with canonical Orthodox jurisdictions. There are some problems and irregularities - the biggest one now being Ukraine - but there is not and never has been any doubt who and where the canonical Orthodox Church is. This can only be by the Grace of God.
Having a "Supreme Pontiff" (the title of the pagan Roman high priest, btw) has not protected Rome against schisms or heresy at all - how many protestant denominations are there, thousands? How many breakaway catholic groups, sedevacantists, etc? Rather more I think than the East has seen.
Hell will be full according to Our Lady. “Say the Rosary everyday
to obtain peace for the world.
And after each decade,
say the following prayer:
‘O my Jesus, forgive us our sins,
save us from the fires of Hell,
lead all souls to Heaven,
especially those in most need of Thy mercy.’”
Universalism is not doctrine, dogma or heresy. It's theologoumenon.
Then why was origen anathematized?
If after reading Gospels someone think that Judas my be in heaven, maybe he want to buy few bridges? I will sell it quite cheap.
I guess Origen and Gregory of Nysa were idiots then
@@djspenceital Gregory of Nysa said that nature of man be redeemed, but also say that there will be people in hell. That he believes in salvation of all is common error, often repeated by people that believe in this doctrine. If we talk about Origin, I biased against him, so I should stay silent.
@@kamilziemian995 no, Gregory is definitely a universalist, at least in some of his writings. If you wanted to argue that he contradicts himself, or that his opinion changes, then that would make more sense. But his interpretation of 1 Cor 15, and his idea that all of humanity is united together as the image of God and saved by Christ, is definitely universalist.
@@kamilziemian995 it’s also been argued that the young Augustine was a universalist. In either case, I’m not arguing for universalism. I’m arguing against the idea that a reading of the gospels would simply lead to non-universalism, when we have important and intelligent Fathers who did not read them that way.
@@djspenceital I know works on that, unfortunately by polish scholar and almost no one can read in this awful language. She explain quite well that Gregory thinks like most of the people of his time: specie is for him in some sense more real that individuals of this specie. As such "humanity" for him is not all individual humans, but collective nature of all human, it will be redeemed. But, this doesn't imply for him salvation of all individuals.
Thank you so much for alerting folks to Rohr’s false teaching…He claims Jesus was only a man (not God) and that the Christ is a separate being; that Christ’s incarnation was the Big Bang; and that we have never been separated w/ God…that sin is remaining in the new age false self. Unbiblical
I sometimes wonder if this world is actually Hell.
What about visions of hell granted to a long list of saints?
Does anyone actually go to Walgreens?
God is all good, so why would he send anyone to hell? The only people who go to hell are the ones who create hell on earth. Who conjur up evil. The ones who are anti God. The satanists, the ones who destroy the good here. I'm sure God, in his mercy, gives everyone a chance to go to heaven. Even in the last hour, he gives people a chance? That's who God is. All good, all merciful?
It's interesting that even though Jesus talks of Hell, Jews do t believe in Hell. Jesus is Jewish.
3:28 - 3:40 "Saying someone is a heretic doesn't mean we are saying that they are a wicked moral person...........it doesn't even mean they are going to hell"
"Formal heresy is "the wilful and persistent adherence to an error in matters of faith" on the part of a baptised person. As such it is a grave sin and involves ipso facto excommunication; a Catholic that embraces a formal heresy is considered to have automatically separated his or her soul from the Catholic Church."
Since Formal heresy is a grave sin, a formal heretic can go to hell. It might even fall under one of the sins against the Holy Spirit which is "resisting the known truth".
Good intentions aren't enough. I guess that's why they say the "road to hell is paved with good intentions".
And plus being excommunicated from the Church, outside of which there is no salvation how then is that person's soul to be saved ? given that they are outside the Church, unrepentant and have no access to the ordinary means of salvation which are the sacraments.
What I don’t like about current teaching of hell is the mortal sin concept. It strongly implies if a teenage boy looks as something immoral on the internet, then dies suddenly in an accident, he immediately suffers eternity in hell as his punishment. I’m sorry, if that is current dogma or even if the dogma heavily implies it, then God is not merciful. Mean while an adult does the same thing for the majority of his/her life, then he/she sees a priest one afternoon and they’re forgiven and go to heaven if they die immediately after.
Such dogma can also give the parent of said child grave anguish if they knew their son was in such a mortal state. So, I think the Church tip toes around these subjects, and not realizing such implication do impact people’s view of Church morality.
Brother, yes, if that adult goes to a priest for the sacrament of reconciliation and sincerely confesses his sins with *contrition*, then of course our Lord will forgive that adult. That’s equally true of the teenage boy. But you’re comparing apples to oranges. One person dies penitent, having confessed his sins, and the other dies without confessing, and without penitence. If that adult goes to the priest, tells his sins, but feels no contrition of any kind, then he is not actually confessing any sin. He could be equally liable to judgment as that teenage boy.
What you seem to be missing is that in either case, that person has already sinned against the love of the Lord. It’s like saying “so just because I broke a law, you’re going to punish me?” You wouldn’t have needed to be punished had you not broken the law. You were in the graces of God before sinning, assuming you’re baptized and you’ve kept up a regular sacramental life. If you’d remained in those graces, you would not have opened yourself up to damnation. It seems weird to call God unfair for doing exactly what His perfect justice demands when one of his children has willfully walked away from the mercy He has promised, which we don’t even deserve to begin with.
Your second point about Catholic teaching being difficult for parents of young people who have died is an even stranger one. Would you prefer that the Church keep these teachings, which have eternal consequences, hidden? It would do absolutely nobody any favors. It’s like saying “we can’t teach anybody about death because it’ll produce existential dread.” Reality is reality, and this is sometimes difficult for the mortal mind to contend with. Should we be gentle in teaching the reality? Yes. But it is not loving to shy away from the reality of hell simply because it might scare people. Better to place it in its right context - that it is a place, that there are poor souls who choose it for themselves through their own actions, and that God wills it for absolutely nobody.
For a person to commit a mortal sin, they must be fully aware that what they are doing is grave and will entirely cut them from God's sanctifying grace, they must also do it with full, deliberate consent (which is certainly not always the case when it comes to addictions, like pornography). It's rare to commit a mortal sin, and if a person commits one and doesn't feel sorrow nor intends to confess it, then the sinner is choosing to love his sin over God, and if we reject God, we are choosing hell.
If a person dies right after committing a mortal sin, their destination will depend on their contrition. God has given us the sacraments, but he is not bound by them. If the sinner does an act of contrition or feels truly sorry for their sin, God won't send them to hell. God is all-loving and infinitely merciful, but he is also just, which is why Purgatory is necessary.
C. S. Lewis famously and brilliantly said:
"I willingly believe that the damned are, in one sense, successful, rebels to the end; that the doors of hell are locked on the inside."
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it." (Matthew 7:13).... So Jesus Christ is 'narrow minded'?
Say what you like about omissions & orthodox thelogy but it is probably fair to say that Fr Rohr has helped more people return to the Gospel and Christian life than a lot of other folks
Most enlightening 5-min conversation ever.
Matt, when you say you did Fr. Rohr's Rite of Passage do you mean the one where you get naked in the woods??
No more pints with Thomas "people in heaven will get to watch people in hell to feel better about themselves" Aquinas?
Did Aquinas really say that?
The Koine Greek words translated as "Hell" vary in the original text, and so does the meaning of "aeon" (the word translated as "eternal") in late Antique Greek.
Exactly a better definition of the word would be an unspecified length of time. Although there are examples of it being used to represent a lifetime. But it certainly doesn't definitively mean eternity.
If Jesus wanted to say eternity then there are other words he could have used.
@YAJUN YUAN I don't 'fiery hell' is an accurate translation.
To be excommunicated “doesn’t mean going to hell when you’re dead”?? If the heretic does not repent before he dies, yes, it does mean appearing before God already judged and damned. Am I wrong?
All of that is ultimately up to God to determine. Formal vs material heresy. Culpable ignorance vs invincible ignorance. We can only see what a person objectively says and teaches, but God sees the heart.
I totally disagree when he says no one goes to hell that is misleading people to think it’s ok to sin
So I, as a Catholic, have to believe that there are people in hell in order to not be a heretic?
We don't know.
The reason why FREE WILL is so important to God is because He wants to be chosen by each of us. God send no one to Hell...WE SEND OURSELVES! Sadly many seem to have chosen Hell instead of our Lord. In the end,,there are plenty of souls in Hell..because God leaves it up to YOU.and tp ME!
If no one goes to hell then what's the point of Jesus? Geez Louise 🤦 good video. This is my new favorite channel
Richard Rohr is literally a wolf in sheeps clothing - his teachings are pagan and I recognize pagan teachings cus I’m a former pagan - i was researching Franciscan spirituality and I came across one of Rohrs talks and I was absolutely disgusted with what that man was speaking -
Hopefully he is just woefully ignorant and not knowingly spreading garbage.
Which is that painting in the thumbnail ?
It's high time you changed that closing clip! ;)
There is no dogma that names names of hell dwellers. You con only infer it
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That C.S. Lewis quote/paraphrase... where can I find that?
So, after all that, tell me, is hell actually empty??
I was confused by your statement, Matt: “Heretics are not bad people, and they don’t necessarily go to hell.”
Maybe you had a point there but you didn’t make it clear.
There are zero heretics in Heaven, and by the time heretics get judged, they go to Hell as believers. They know and believe that they are horrible wicked people and that Hell is where they belong.
What is it you didn't understand?
Pope Francis expressed the hope that hell is empty as his personal view the other day. Such a view need not and perhaps cannot be dogmatized but, like it or not, it is a valid theologoumenon unless Catholics want to go down the road of accusing the Pope of heresy. Rohr seems to be on the same page; probably more effusive in affirming it.
The sole thought that you're better than anyone should be enough to send you to hell. I'm not sure if heresy sends you to hell, but pride sure does and there's plenty of it in this comments section coming from Catholics... It's repulsive!
Salt stings.
@@Eight-PointedStars I hope it does! I'm sick of Catholics sending people to hell. The Church herself has declared many people to be in Heaven (the saints) but has never declared a single person to be in hell, not even Judas, because only God knows what's going on in their hearts. There may be people in hell of course (I hope not!!), but many Catholics seem to think they know better than God and the Church, and go about the internet sending people to hell. There's NO WAY that's a loving admonishment... It's either carelessness or their ego giving itself an orgasm.
@@juanchi_elquezapa How can Catholics or anyone "send people to Hell?"
Matt. 10:28 "..Fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell." Yes, it is God, ultimately, who sends people to Hell. It is scary to realize that a person cannot enter heaven unless he is perfect. That is why Jesus established the Church with its teachings and its Mass and its sacraments. It is impossible for man to become perfect, but with God all things are possible. It takes a lot of humility and willingness to suffer self denial and all the crosses that God sends our way.
@@Eight-PointedStars I guess we're on the same page :) Just to add that it's not God who sends people to hell. If it were for Him he would bring everyone to Heaven. Hell is a deliberate and knowing choice of those who don't want to be with God (the real God, not the idol even Catholics can make up), to the point of not even having a little crack open in their hearts for Him. A big mystery if you ask me.
Live by the law or die by the law. Exactly how did the law go away? (people are falling into hell helplessly like snow)
ALL merciful is what it says
There are so many devotions that prevent a soul from going to hell . One great one is the rosary or three Hail Mary’s . In the words of padre Pio “pray hope and don’t worry “.
The point at 2:42, AMEN. TRUTH!
I am not aware of any dogmatic teaching with respect to there being souls on hell? I think it is dangerous to call Fr Richard a heretic on this point.
The approved Marian apparitions demonstrate clearly that poor souls are pouring into hell since so few offer regular reparation, fasting and sacrifice called for at Fatima etc.
Gee whiz, a person goes to hell because they do not ask Jesus to be their Lord and Savior. When you do that then you live for Him. It has nothing to do with these so-called mystics or Mary. Jesus alone is our Savior.m
Now his last name is serendipitous!
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If someone is a heretic, wouldn’t that mean they are going to hell unless they repent? For they have rejected the true Faith so they lack salvation.
Yes. Objectively speaking. The weight of his priesthood makes it worse for him. Problem is, Satan works through charismatic people to spread lies, sugar coated to be palatable. We shouldn't be scrupulous, but denying hell to avoid feeling culpable is pure, willful deceit, according to me.
Up to God
No. God's divine mercy far outweighs our sin. We cannot say definitively who goes to hell.
@@danielpascoe4287 We can, however, tell the conditions- dying unrepentant in mortal sin
If I read this right hell is a place in the future created for satan and his fallen angels. no one else.