OLED TV Screen Burn-In | Everything You Need To Know
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- OLED screen burn-in remains a concern for TV buyers, despite recent advances that mitigate the effect. In this part 1. of our OLED burn-in series, we talk about how screen burn-in dates back to the 1970s, what causes burn-in in OLED TVs, how burn-in can be avoided, and who (if anyone) needs to be worried about OLED TV burn-in.
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00:00 Intro
02:18 History of TV Screen Burn-In
06:04 What Causes Burn-In in OLED TVs
07:25 OLED TV Burn-In Risk
09:12 How Burn-In Can Be Avoided
10:36 Final Thoughts
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Hey everyone. I gotta admit, addressing OLED burn-in is one of the hardest most frustrating topics I’ve covered. This video was hard. I see lots of opportunity to dissect this because the metrics are so nebulous! OLED burn-in is rarely a problem and I don’t think most folks should be worried or avoid an OLED TV because of that fear. But it’s only not a problem until it isn’t, right? When it is a problem, it is soul-crushing. And I don’t want to be dismissive of the few folks who have had to deal with it. Anyway, I try hard to do my best every video, and always get better. Your suggestions and feedback are invaluable. So let me have it! Appreciate you all more than you can ever know.
I had burn in on LG B6 and B7 but on G1 i m at 8500 hours and screen is still perfect 🥂
It would behoove the manufacturers (like LG does with the G2) to offer burn in coverage with their warranties (and extended warranties). By NOT covering this, they are defacto admitting its an issue, and scaring a LOT of buyers away.
@@DaveNLR2 I get that perspective. And when we see Dell offering a long warranty on its QD-OLED monitors, you gotta wonder why LG, Sony, Samsung wouldn’t do the same. But the one thing these companies can’t control or predict is user behavior. Should they be responsible for replacing someone’s TV because they watched CNN 12 hours a day for 6 months straight? I’m not saying they should or shouldn’t. Just curious what folks think about that.
I never had concern about OLED burn in on my television because I mostly watch movies and content without static imagery. However, mobile devices with mostly static imagery such as phones, tablets and laptops are where my true concerns lie. Especially laptops where the cost of admission and depreciation is so high. Why on Earth would I invest in an oled laptop that I know for sure will suffer from catastrophic image failure far sooner than all the other components? Phones have a much higher turnover rate and therefore much less concerning. Tablets are in between price and performance of phones and laptops so your mileage may vary. And televisions, as long as you mostly watch content without static imagery you shouldn't have anything to worry about.
Personally I think you nailed it by describing the type of viewing that is likely to cause a burn-in issue. If a consumer’s viewing habits fit that risk description, they need to determine whether or not OLED makes sense for them. It’s not up to the manufacturer to make that decision for you, or even weigh in on it. I’ve had an LG C7 since 2017 and as a precaution only, use the built in pixel refresh and screen saver. The picture is still gorgeous.
Until companies can warranty against burn in, its always a concern for the consumer
@@jmcd21182 isn't it just 5 years?
@@jmcd21182 I own a G2 and live in Canada, I have 5 years. But good to know this info with the G3, will have a look at it.
LG changed my panel Free of charge almost 5 years after purchase when i got burn in
I was worried about burn in almost 5 years ago when I bought my lg c8 so I bought the Best Buy warranty. What a waste of money. Because I had the warranty I didn’t baby or pamper my tv at all. I game on it almost daily 4-6 hours a day and when I take a bathroom or food break I’ll just pause my game and walk away. My tv now has just over 17,600 hours on it and it shows no signs of minimap, hud or tv logo burn in. I love been waiting for a excuse to replace this tv with a G series but I may just retire it to the guest room and buy a g3 this year
@@brokenwrench404 I have an LG C7 and was burn in free until the pandemic lol few months in with all the extra usage I had the Streets of Rage 4 life bars and Netflix logo burned in. Geek squad took about 5 minutes to replace the screen and it's been good since then. I CANNOT WAIT to get the G3 now 😁
When I spend a massive amount of money on a TV I shouldn’t have to worry about what’s being left on and for how long. OLED is beautiful no doubt, but I’ll stick with my LCD for now.
It really hurts when you get burn in and man on OLED it terrible when it happens as it's so visible in normal content. Lucky I got my panel replaced but now I live in fear and stress with everything dimmed down as low as possible lol. Not worth it.
The fact it's expensive, doesn't mean it doesn't need a proper use and care. If you buy a Lamborgini and drive it like a psycho, you then complaint because it starts failing??? What are you?? 5??
@@SeriesTube01 Except “drive it like a psycho” in this case translates to “playing a game you like with hud elements turned on” lol. Not a good comparison. OLED is only for those with money to waste and movie buffs. If you play games or watch sports, news etc, it isn’t for you
You must go OLED, the image quality difference is night and day. Its not just black levels, the colors themselves are like they are from another universe when next to an LCD
@@SeriesTube01what 5 year olds drive lambos? Can you adopt me??
Have an 55 LG OLED now over 3 years old. Watch various programing and have no burn-in. We did at setup of this tv follow LG's options recommendation for this in their menu. Thanks for the video.
the "lets talk about that" in the start, felt like a therapy session beginning.
And very much true cause it addresses Burnin anxiety!
That screen saver at 3:25 brought back so much nostalgia
Windows 95
This was volume matched perfectly, thanks!
So happy about this history lesson! And happy you went back to the beginning including plasma TVs, and not just the history of OLED burn in
I still have one of the last Panasonic plasma tv's since 2012 and still no inkling of burn-in. I watch plenty of tv and BD. Both of these have a screen saver and I rarely, if ever, watch tv programs/channels with static displayed. The black level and color fidelity are still superb. The torture tests that RTratings does is suspect, in my opinion. I think their methodology raises lots of questions - at least for the average viewer. Thanks for another great video.
I just don’t want to babysit a TV.
Exactly
😂😂😂
Just my thought
Thanks Caleb, for the technical history, and for the insight as to how our thinking has evolved around burn-in, and the current state of things today. As a long time plasma owner, and new owner of a couple LG G2s, I was looking for some guidance, much appreciated!
Yea used to have a lg plasma, now gone for the lg c2.
I am very happy that oled is so good now, never enjoyed the over bright washed out blacks from lcd.
LG C2 been here for 4 months now, maybe 12hours use 3-4 days a week, sometimes more.
Mostly Console Gaming, since purchase these past months its mostly been Horizon ZeroDawn or ForbiddenWest
I certainly avoid high brightness, set @50... Rather darken the room.
Further every few hours I might switch a regular TV program while taking a break.
Also I avoid leaving the game running when not playing.
The tv is as is was when new, been looking very closely to be sure...
@@christiangoulden4399do you have burn in issues now ?
I've really only seen the LCD pixel wear "burn in" on airport displays. Which makes sense. I don't think they're ever turned off for most of their life. Crazy those displays work at all after years and years of being constantly on.
I have 19,214 hours on a 48" CX purchased in Aug of 2020 that I've used exclusively as PC Gaming Monitor and Streaming TV. It's on for 12+ hours a day during the week and hardly ever goes off over the weekends. The only precautions I took from day one were 1) a solid black desktop, no icons & autohide taskbar 2) all safety settings turned on to max in the TV (i.e. pixel shift, logo luminance, etc.), and 3) a 5 minute screen timeout on PC so I can walk away without worrying about clearing the screen. I've also kept the brightness turned down to 50% for both monitor and streaming. Other than the above, I've treated it just like an LCD monitor and forgot all about Burn-IN/IR. When Elden Ring came out I was hooked...I played that game at least a few hours each day and some days for 6-8 hours at a go for 4 months straight. Every once in a while I run the test patterns and look hard for anything that might resemble BI/IR and I've yet to see anything. I can't perceive any difference in brightness or vibrancy either. I think the variation in content has helped a great deal as well in preventing issues. I've often wondered how long an OLED is actually good for: 20K hours? 40K hours? before you can perceive a noticeable difference in brightness or vibrancy. I believe OLEDs are the best gaming screen available at present and I've already gotten my use out of this one even if it died tomorrow. I just wish the new tech like QD OLED, MLA, etc. would make it's way down to sizes smaller than 48" so I can replace this one one day for something other than another WOLED.
I got burn-in on my C1 after a year, but i do use it as a PC monitor that has a lot of static images like the task bar and favorites bar. It only seems to occur with bright red logos though, like the youtube logo, so i try to shuffle those around every so often to help slow the problem some. My brightness is not maxed out either.
Very informative. I am about to buy my first OLED TV and this sort of advice is invaluable. Thank you.
Thanks for the pointers on what is what in TVs these days.
Great video. I am hoping to get some more intel on burn-in related issues caused by (direct) sunlight. After image retention, this looks to be the second most apparent cause for burn-in. Other than that; Keep it up, Caleb - I really like your take on TVs - been a fan for over a year now. My LG C2 still performing as brand new (bought in August 2022).
I want the best TV to watch To catch a predator! Lmao 😂
Why watch tv in a non darkend room..
What size C2 do u have?
@@christiangoulden4399some people have these things called windows.
Make sure to check out part 2 of our OLED🔥burn-in series: czcams.com/video/snh6KcRCgok/video.html
Got a GX and game on it as well as watch tv. Bought mine from John Lewis here in the U.K. and for one reason, they do cover burn in with their warranty.
I had an E6 that got burn in after 2 years. The GX has so far after several years been flawless. With the E6 you could see screen retention that led to the burn in, this hasn’t been a problem on the GX.
I have the new C3 77 & 65 inch OLED and Im more knowledgeable and confident than before compared to my Cx from burn in after 3 years of use and following your suggestions ✌🏽
Thanks. I'm a gamer and since I know I'm very likely to play a game for a long time and that I don't plan to change my tv for at least 4-5 years, I decided to go with a LED. I got the X90K about 5 months ago and even though I can see blooming sometimes, I'm very happy playing games without worrying and enjoying the amazing picture quality, 120hrz, vrr and local dimming. Couldn't be happier.
It's actually pretty hard to get burn in while playing video games. Especially with LG C1+.
The most dangerous content to watch is classic TV, but nobody watches that anyways.
You already purchased a good TV, so there's not much to say, but if you ever dare to buy an LG C/G series Oled, you won't regret it.
@@559925 I have the C2 and I pretty much game all day on Sundays...I have about 600 hours on mine and haven't had any problems, you pretty much have to go out of your way to get burn in on the newer LG OLEDs.
Or you can buy an OLed and after 4 hours or 5 turn it off for 15 minutes or 20 minutes it does an Auto Pixel shifting you hear it click when you turn it off and it click back when is done then you can go back and play more is usually after 4 hours Auto thingy and the Manual only do it when the T.V is asking usually about 2000 hours the first time of a Manual pixel clean
But Also if you lower settings if you game in a dark room like bright and game stabilizers down it helps with
the screen gets less hot
so less burn in to worry about
I’m a gamer as well and burn in is something I worry about. I would like the new tech in oled and qled but will just stick to my 7 year old lcd
I must admit, Oleds have an amazing picture, best I've ever seen on tvs today. However, this issue is the main reason why I've refrained from purchasing one. Even though the chances of burn in are supposedly slim to none, it's still risky, too risky for me after spending my hard earned money and no warranty coverage for burn in. That is why I choose to stick with qled/mini led, technologies that come very close to oled in some cases. Keeps my worries away.
I have a Samsung Neo Qled,easily on par and in some cases better than Oled,yes I did a comparison before I bought the tv
So … you plan using it non-stop for days with deactivated safety features? Even after a 10 hour static pic accident with plenty of text and switched off screensaver … did not even observe any retention.
I rarely play now / use my oled but I also do a pixel refresh either way etc but this video is amazing n helpful 🙏🏼
In 2015 we bought a Sharp Aquos LCD for the bedroom and an LGG65E for the living room.
Within 6 months the LG became a victim of "early adopter" burn-in.
The Sharp is still kicking it problem free.
We will be much more aware of settings & viewing habits with our new G3.
Thank you...
Bob
Caleb, you are one of my favorite tech voices on YT. Always excited to watch one of your videos. Great job discussing this issue!
Linus techtips is your favorite stop lying
@@jasonfallel8829 "one of"
Agreed, thanks for your work, Caleb.
LG C9 owner here. I have permanent burn-in in the lower left corner of the TV from the "Ball Cam" indicator in the game Rocket League. It's only visible when certain colors like browns/tans show on that area of the TV, but when it does it's obvious. Unfortunate for sure considering I didn't leave this on for hours at a time. Just when playing games...
LG CX owner and I have exactly the same. Ball cam and also a bit speed on the right burned In..
@@electrofreaknl6303 dang we must play too much 😂
@@rodzack I meant boost meter offcourse. And also I discovered yesterday the burn in from the score board in the top middle of the screen. You 2?
@@electrofreaknl6303 I’ve only noticed the ball cam indicator so far 🤞🏼
I was also worried about burn in when i was about to buy a new TV... Now after 3,5 years of almost everyday usage of my Philips 65OLED903 theres not a single sign of image burn! Yes there were moments where i got some image retention or smudges caused by the sunlight after longer vacation, but it was all easily solved by its screen refresher!
All i can say is that I have no regrets of getting the oled and honestly i still cant get enough of that beautiful picture it produce even after this many years!
43” LGC2 here, since Black Friday 2022. Moderate use throughout the week. So far so good
We should not have to pay higher prices for the possibility of burn in. Until accurate information is available the safe bet is buying Led TVS. Although picture performance is always less than OLED tvs it's has become real close to OLED performance.
There is no debate for me. Burn - in is unacceptable period!
I was worried about burn in before buying my LG C1 a few years ago. I can tell you from experience it is a non issue
Thank you, just the info I wanted to know after ordering a lg c2 :)
Great insightful video. Thank you.
Hi Caleb. Great work as usual! It would be nice for a future video to have a bluray player comparison. Is a PS5/Xbox worse than a dedicated player? What's the difference between a 200$ and 2000$ player? Thanks!!
Ps5/Xbox can't play Dolby vision or HDR10+, that's one setback as opposed to some dedicated players.
@@ji8651what u can play Dolby for Xbox 😭
Very timely video for me personally. I finally made the jump to OLED. I just bought the 42” Sony A90K to replace an LG monitor for my WFH/gaming set up. I am a bit worried about burn in. It would be great if you did a video where you offered specific advice on best practices to mitigate burn in while using windows or Apple computers. They would be very helpful. Love the videos- thanks!
lowering the brightness when you dont necessarily need it
Itll be E-Waste in a few years , good job
@@jasonfallel8829 you'll be bio waste in a few years too
@jasonfallel8829 honestly what won't? Shit isn't made to last anymore. I'd rather have a amazing picture during that time. That said I've had my c9 since 2019...zero issues and amazing picture quality.
There's a "refresh" clearing function you can run
Fantastic video, Caleb. Can’t wait for part 2!
Thanks Caleb! Thank you for being direct and honest… I really hate it when reviewers play both sides and give out mixed opinions… you guys were direct which gave me the confidence to make the right decision!
Thanks Caleb! 🇺🇸👽✌️
Thank you for this great informative video! I have a 55 in LG CX OLED from 2020 and have experienced ZERO burn in on my panel going on 3 years now. That being said, I used my TV mostly for watching CZcams and some casual video gaming. The TV stays on about 8 hours a day I suppose, but I don't watch network TV news or anything with a static user interface other than CZcams (unless a video game has it that I am playing.) I have used the pixel refresher feature (albeit sparingly) and usually only if the TV recommends me to do it. I am very happy with my purchase, and feel that my next TV will be OLED now and going forward. I am curious to know at what point the technology reached the point where burn in was less of an issue, and if my LG CX falls within that timeline? Also it would be nice to know the life expectancy of OLEDs if such information exists. Again thank you for this video, and I hope the info I have shared can perhaps help anyone reading this. Cheers!
Allot of people claiming they haven't had burn in have had it for 3yrs, and I don't think that's long enough.
One of the things to remember with OLED's, is that after 4 hours cumulative use, they will run a "compensation" cycle when you put them into standby. This cycle basically, scans the pixels to detect deterioration and compensate for pixel degradation and ensure all the pixels wear out in a consistent fashion. This cycle runs for about 7 minutes and why it's good practice, not to disconnect your screen from the mains power as soon as you turn it off.
Thanks. i didn't know that. Now I know why I can't use the power source from my oled's usb as a trigger for a relay. The power output cycles on a off when the tv is in standby.
Yes. And also, this means your brightness and color volume decrease over time because of this mitigation. I rarely see this point discussed, and it’s another reason I’m not jumping on OLED yet. Even if you don’t experience noticeable burn in, the prevention methods are literally dampening your set over time.
That's for newer LG's. Other manufacturers do not always do it so frequently as is detailed in the RTINGS report.
@@cactus22minus1 Parfaitement ok .Usure assez rapide de la qualité native des minileds
Read the Rtings report compensation cycles although a good precaution does not appear to be the primary reason for lack of burn in.
Just bought a c2 oled and was happy to see this new video come out
😂😂😂
Thanks for the Video. Seems like I will stick for a while with LCD displays.
Telling people don't play a game 3-4 hrs a day for a month is not something I want to do after buying OLED, and which is why I'll never buy an OLED
So which tv will you buy?
I've had a CX for 3 years, mostly used for youtube and games. Absolutely no sign of long term burn in, so far.
What OLED light settings do you use?
@user-oq4rm5ci9p it's set at 95. I also work from home and the TV is on like 8 hours a day. Still going strong.
@@chrism6880 How do you think top and bottom black bars in movies can be dangerous in terms of burn in?
@user-oq4rm5ci9p if you watch a lot of letterbox movies, you may wear the pixels out at an imbalanced rate. Over time, when watching 16:9 content, the upper and lower areas may look brighter because those pixels have deteriorated less than those on the interior.
Note that I can't give a good first hand review on that particular point because pretty much everything I watch is 16:9.
Random question but does anyone have any date for when the reviews for the X95L will be out? The TV is on sale in the Europe but I don't know when the reviews will drop.
I'm excited for those.
Which LCD TVs would you recommend?
“Ahhhhhh! Burn-in. That old chestnut” says my 17 year old plasma TV, still refusing to die.
My oldest OLED tv I have is a 2017 LG that is still great with zero burn in. It’s been used for all types of media including many hours of gaming. I even played one game 100’s of hours with no issues.
Great 👍🏻 to hear that cause I’m still considering to buy the brand new 2023 LG Oled model C2 83” TV I’m still worry about the burn in problem since I had purchased the Sony Oled A8 65” since 2018 November, great to hear that thanks 🙏🏻
@@bernardchupiekyong1001 I want to clarify something that I forgot to mention. I do have an LG C2 I purchased last year and compared it to my LG C7 I bought a couple years ago. The picture definitely degrades a bit over time and I don’t expect OLED TV’s to last ten years for the TV aficionado. The picture has degraded some over the last year. Most won’t notice because of slow process of doing so and it being their only OLED in the household.
@@BruceRichwineJr thanks for ur opinion Sir 🫡
Excellent video Caleb.
I have an LG 55B9 which i have to replace after only 4.6 yrs of use.
Would a Sony 55x90L be a more durable replacement?
The most common display element for my usage is actually subtitles. I always have subtitles on whenever available and my B6 definitely have burn in problem at the bottom center area.
B6 is a pretty old OLED at this point. Burn in has gotten a lot better since then
My B7 was ruined simply from the desktop of my Nvidia Shield. The B series were sadly well known for red burn-in. *W*OLED is VERY different now and much more resistant to burn in.
For how long did you display the same text non-stop? As subs text changes there should hardly be any risk … despite plenty of static text over 10+ hours mine does not even show retention.
I love my 2021 LG OLED TV but I often get worried about it burning in! 😬 Thank you for the advice. 🙏
Don't worry! Seriously! No matter what you buy, you're doomed eventually! Even Hifi systems lose their effectiveness! Point is 👉 you're worrying over a FUTURE problem, not a now, not anytime soon, the future! My CX, C1 and G1 are all still as good as new and have been on for 12 hours a day sometimes even 18 (rotating hours etc etc) mostly on HDR content, Games, films and so forth... just stop worrying! Even with HDMI sources it still has safe guards in place!.
You'd have to be an absolute, careless tit to get burn in on an OLED past the 2 years.
@@Kronorium haha Thank you. Needed to hear it! 🙏😅
@@brucecrawford_17 seriously don’t worry about it. Just enjoy it and it will do its own things to protect itself at pre set times. I have just over 17,600 hours on a almost 5 year old c8 with no burn in of 50/40 gaming tv watching
@@brokenwrench404 Oh wow. I understand. I won’t worry anymore. Thank you for calming me and sharing this with me. I appreciate it. 🙏😊
bruh
Great video learned a lot can’t wait for part two
THINKING OF getting an lg c2 42 inch for a pc monitor. any advice?
I’m always interested in stress testing something. As an aviation fan, you’ll see wings and fuselage parts tested to destruction way beyond their limits. I’ve had my LG CX for 3 years now, and it still amazes me how black levels and HDR pop on it.
I do accept that early OLEDS had issues of course, but I think burn-in is mainly a thing of the past. Can’t speak to QD-OLEDS because they’re too new a technology. However I’d be highly surprised if they are.
While you amazed by black levels which will not change because black OLED pixel is basically unused at the moment, you are not noticing how whites getting lower in nits in years and how vibrance of colors getting lower. Yog buy 540 nits OLED and in 2-3 years it will be like 400 nits of brightness, your blacks will remain the same but white will turn into grey!
@@YOBAMUSTDIE Any proofs?
@@MIchaelSybi did Google ban you from search engine? Whole internet full of proves and you ask for any...
It's not a thing in the past. I too got tricked into wasting money on a OLED TV that started showing signs early on. I returned it for MiniLED and never been happier.
@@YOBAMUSTDIE my brother you made an assertion. The burden of proof is on you.
OLED brightness does decrease over time, but it's not that drastic.
Just straight facts and to the point with solid examples and explanations. Caleb, you are a life saver, I will definitely think hard before purchasing the LG C2 OLED tv.
Great content
Thank you
from Toronto, Canada
Mate I'm an engineer and I barely have to repair LG C series. It's like 80 percent Samsung s90c's and Sony Bravias. LG, Panasonic and Philips are extremely well built and never get burn in when compared to Samsung s90c
Besides burn in I am concerned with picture quality degrading rather fast with heavy usage. How fast if at all does this compare to mini led ?
thank you so much, awesome video!
Also, people forget CRT monitors and TVs were absolutely prone to burn-in if static images were left on it too long, hence why screen savers were created and we used to turn off the TV but leave the SNES on. The main issue is there's a whole generation of consumers that grew up with only LCDs, so they've never learned how to take care of their displays. It's like driving a manual transmission versus an automatic; just takes a bit more thought and care.
I still. Use a crt TV.... Its 30yrs old and no burn in. I'm. Torn between oled and neo qled when I change.
Taking additional care of a display isn't anything most average users want to deal with. 'Plug and play' is what most people want...
@@wobble108 go OLED dude, "QLED" is just an LCD screen with a white LED backlight and some tricks to enhance the colors. OLED is king, burn in after a few years is a problem, but whatever, then buy another. The amazing image of OLED is something there is no comparison to. I also have a 9 inch sony CRT I just use for watching old TV shows for nostalgia and use a sony OLED for movies and modern content. I also have a 33 year old Zenith CRT that needs some maintenance but has worked great for almost all of the 33 year years, also no burn in.
@@wobble108I have both (A 48" C1 and a 77" QN90B) but for completely different purposes. The OLED is my computer monitor and the QLED is used as a TV. For generally viewing the QLED is probably better as the blacks are close enough and the higher brightness is really good. For a monitor and for gaming its not even close: An OLED is superior by such a large margin due to the instant response times and perfect blacks are way more important, especially if you use dark mode. Sadly though this is the worst case use for burn in but I haven't had issues for the 2000 hours I have used.
As a gamer who plays alot, i will continue to use LED/mini LED TV.
Really don't want to worry if i play some games for long time with alot of hud elements on the screen all the time.
Long means 1-2 days non-stop … with static text and switched off safety features. Use my OLED for plenty of gaming … my TV and laptop both have OLED … no problems at all despite almost non stop use when at home.
Great video. Very informative.
I have a question about the wallpapers the LG C2 uses when it is inactive. Are they safe if they are in use every day for at least minutes at a time?
I’ve had my LG OLED for 5 years and have never had burn-in (countless hours of covid gaming!) although I appreciate the newer ones get brighter than mine!
Thank you.
In my experience working with OLEDs, I have rarely seen any gaming HUDs burned in. I have seen maybe a hundred or two hundred cases of burn in over my years in the business. Only 3 of these have shown gaming HUDs. (I take pictures of every case.)
The first I saw was from GTA, not sure which one, but an older one, not GTA5. This was around 2016.
Another case I believe was Tower Fall, this one also had a TLC logo, not sure which burned first.
Another had the life hearts from Minecraft. This one had some other things, too, so I am not sure what burned first. Once you start getting burn in it kind of snowballs, so it is possible that something else started to burn in and Minecraft came after the pixels had already started failing.
The Minecraft one was the most recent case involving a game HUD, I think it was 2021.
Other burn in cases:
I saw one 2016 model with a National Geographic logo (the yellow box).
There is another with a TV channel logo from perhaps local news.
I had one very odd case that looked like a screen saver image. It reminded me of a LG screen image I have seen, but I couldn't find it. The photo was from a small boat in Italy approaching an arch. I believe this one was simply defective from the start as the image may be a LG testing image, similar to a situation that Rtings encountered in their first burn in test several years ago. (There was a percentage indicator on the side, which would have came from a LG test screen. LG repaired the TV by updating the Tconn board, so it was not burn in or a panel failure.)
ALL OTHER CASES were news channels. So like 95%+ of all cases of burn in I have seen involved news channels. To be clear, I have never seen The Weather Channel or ESPN graphics burned in. I don't believe these 2 channels generally burn in because their graphics are not as warm or bright as the news channels.
When LG started using heat sinks the burn cases dropped a lot. So I believe the heat sinks helped quite a bit.
Additionally, reds tend to degrade and burn most. The best example of this is the NBC Peacock logo on MSNBC. The peacock changes color, and the burn in was most visible on the warm side, with the red section most visible. The side with cool colors was not even burned in, it was half the logo. The Weather Channel is blue, and ESPN rotates colors a lot, but they don't tend to be red.
I am not saying it is impossible, but from my experience you really shouldn't get burn in by playing video games unless the game has a very strong HUD that matches a news channel. If you think about it, many modern games hide their HUDs frequently, and ones that have them on all the time tend to be toned down.
You also shouldn't get burn in just watching different TV channels. I might be concerned about certain American TV channels that love plastering their logos as vividly as possible. This is less an issue for foreign markets where logos are less obnoxious. But LG has had logo detection for a couple years now.
My advice to people is pretty simple. If you intend to watch a lot of news channels, then avoid OLED. Most other use cases are generally fine.
If you already own an OLED and watch news channels, then turn down the OLED light level in settings. You can easily create a picture preset to switch to with quick settings if you plan on watching news for a while (like maybe a special event or election), and switch back when done.
There may be other use cases to have concern over, but the news is the primary one by far. Considering heat is behind burn in, it is also possible that if your room is really warm, that could contribute to burn in if you watch certain content. Don't put an OLED over a fire place (I don't know if I'd put any TV over a fireplace). Heat is bad in general, and can also lead to LEDs dying as well.
The fact that Rtings is watching CNN for long periods without burn in on WOLED is a strong sign that LG has done a lot to fix the issue. It will be interesting to see how the test concludes.
QDOLED is an unknown for now. I rather thought Samsung had a solid solution by using only blue light. But Rtings testing shows it can indeed happen. Maybe Samsung will figure it out, but it might take a few years.
I'd like to end this by saying that LCD tech has its own failures, too. All this talk about burn in ignores the fact that LCDs are failing pretty frequently themselves. The issue is that modern LCDs are being built to super cheap cost cutting standards. They have basically given up, both LG and Samsung now out source their LCD panels. That is a giant red flag. Even the higher end LCD LEDs are being built fairly cheap. So don't go thinking that LED is going to last you forever because it doesn't get burn in. The statistical odds are that a LED will die before an OLED. These are not your dad's LCDs that were built like tanks. There is a reason why modern LEDs are so super light. They are cutting costs. I say this because I know somebody will chime in and exclaim "Well my LED has lasted me 10 years!" New LEDs are NOT built like your old LED. Lift your 10 your old LED, now lift a new one the same size. They feel different, don't they? That's because they are different. Don't expect the new one to last the same amount of time.
Computer monitors do seem to be built to a slightly better standard than TVs. But only higher end. A cheap PC monitor is still a cheaply built product. Many PC screens are edge lit, too, and edge lighting can get very hot because all the LEDs are closer together than a full array. Again, heat is bad for electronics, just like it is for your GPU or CPU. LEDs running hot will burn out faster.
Until OLED gets its act together - being overpriced with addendums on how I watch my content - it's the amazing LCDs for me.
I bought the 85 inch Sony X950H two year ago and couldn't be happier with the image quality, intense brightness and the comfort of knowing nothing will happen to it no matter what I watch.
Honestly I think OLEDs are extremely overrated.
Don't the networks such as the weather,sports and news channels realize that there's a Potential for burn in on the viewer's tvs with their logos .Why don't they do their part and have their logos periodically come on and off as well as the banners.unless they're in bed with the TV manufacturers and help the burn in so we have to buy another TV wouldn't surprise me this day and time with all the crazy stuff that's going but really the networks should pitch in and do their part to help minimize the threat of burn in
@@pepperandzip I've never seen The Weather Channel burned in. Their graphics have a color scheme that is not a problem. For that matter, I've never even seen ESPN burned in, either. It is really just a few channels that have ever been an issue, CNN, Fox News, and their spinoffs. The vast majority of burn in I have seen comes from those 2 networks. I have seen some others, but literally only one case each. Plus these other cases were a few years ago, all 2017 or older.
So it has become much better in the past few years, to the point where new cases are rare, even as OLEDs become more popular. If this issue was so serious, then new cases should be going up as more people buy them. Instead these cases are going down. The newest OLEDs are pretty rock solid.
Wow, fundamental post 🤝. Did you ever seen cases with black bars burned in from widescreen movies? Is this an issue?
@@user-oq4rm5ci9p In the past on older models, maybe, but only if you watched tons of such content.
But today, no, I wouldn't say it is an issue.
I will not say that burn in is impossible on new OLEDs. It can indeed happen. But again, look at the results from rtings. The LCD screens are aging BADLY. They also have had some LED backlights die over the course of the test.
I predict they will see many more in the next year. You might see LEDs dying constantly, as their LEDs burn out. There is a reason why big light bulbs have heat sinks on them, LEDs are actually very sensitive to heat and will eventually crack over time, thus dying. If you look at a bright LED bulb package in the store, it will say "not for use in enclosed fixtures". Now take apart your LED TV, maybe watch a video of someone taking apart a recent model. The LEDs are in a fully enclosed space, with very modest (or no) real heat sink to cool them.
You add that to the really bad screen degradation, and it spells trouble.
Edgelit LEDs are the worst, BTW.
And for what?
Just so you can say "well, it wasn't burn in!"
Yeah...that's just not logical. The burn in boogy man is an overblown myth. I will take the better blacks, and be happy.
I went to Best Buy to buy an OLED C2 after researching online and I really liked your Videos and your gift to express your views and thought clearly, directly to the point and easy to understand. Thanks! When I got to the store and ready to buy the sales guy said for only $200.00 more I could get the OLED G2. I had researched some of that before hand too, checked out the TV there and bought it! I hope I made the right choice? Thanks and good luck to you!!
For $200,000 more?!?!
@@ugoewulonu4936 lol $200.00 not $200,000.
@@marcoverfelt2956 Hahaha, my bad!
BTW What is the colorful "fire or flame" you use for a wallpaper please?
Caleb, hey man! Not OLED related, but I'm curious, are you going to get the NAKAMICHI DRAGON in for review anytime soon??? ;) :) I need some of those clear-cut thoughts because i'm really considering it for my home theater setup....that and the Sony A95L
I avoided OLED for years because of this and I finally bit the bullet and bought an LG C2, so far I am loving it
Who would want perfect contrast and perfect black levels
It may serve to someone as a reference: I got my LG C8 in 2019 because it was a real bargain and I've been using it 5 hours in average almost every day. I like to watch it at night so my setting is at low brightness (25%) which is more than enough for HDR and SDR content and with limited static elements. So far zero signs of burn in.
I got my c9 around the same time and watch a lot of hdr at 100% brightness and play a lot of retro games with huds always on screen usually at around 50% which is still really bright...also zero burn in or issues of any kind. I started with a q8 after debating back and forth I took it back and have zero regrets
Great to hear guys!
25 for HDR? It's ridiculously low
Great video. Very interesting, so thanks! I've recently bought an LG C3 OLED Evo TV a few weeks ago. I've seen a menu option to do a "pixel clean" on the TV screen. Does this process "reset" or "wipe" away any cumulative effects that might be present from prolonged static images? This would, therefore, prevent the possibility of any build up of image burn?
Also, does each time you run this process do a full reset? That is, it sets any cumulative effects all the way back down to zero?.... or does it merely reduce it to down the level the TV was at when the last pixel clean was conducted? Cheers.
Had my LG B9 and no concerns about burn in at all with the pixel refresh and other technologies in TVs to combat the chances of burn in
I was just at best buy admiring TVs out of my price range as a college student and was wondering about whether OLED tech is a point where it's safe to consider them for long term use. Great video!
My soon to be 5 year old lg c8 has just over 17,600 hours on it of 60/40 gaming tv watching and it has been great. I haven’t babied it or had to do anything special. It does all of its own things at pre set hours of usage
@brokenwrench404 Great that you have this experience, but some that have played the same games with static HUDs have gotten burn in with the newer lg c1. So people should take these comments with a grain of salt.
I run a C2 Evo 42" as my primary gaming PC display. I have Windows set to disable the screen after 3 minutes, and I'm mindful of trying to go fullscreen where ever possible. Other than that, I'm two months into this use case, and it's been sublime. The gaming experience is unbelievable, and I can't imagine going back to an IPS display.
Same. 3 minute screen saver, all icons off the home screen, and hide the taskbar. No issues. FWIW, my cell phone has major burn in on the home screen after 3 years.
I was having c9 got pixel burning within one year replac it with c1 no issue at all
I’ve had mine for about a month it’s the best screen I’ve owned makes games look amazing
@@nassermohd2317It seems like the C1 magically fixed all burn in problems. The Evo panel must be pretty great. The amount of people who complained about the c1 are a lot less than the C9 or CX
@@silverwatchdog yes my child use the TV 24/7 and I didn't find even one single pixel burn . LG quality they learn from previous model
I've never bought a TV over $400 but I saw the new LG OLED C3 and I want that bad boy. Never heard of burn ins before. Thanks for the video
Very useful advice thank you
The problem is that they're starting to make PC monitors using OLED, and those are much more likely to display static content thanks to window borders and title bars. If it were just TVs, I'd agree the risk is fairly low. The other issue is that phosphor TVs required much longer to burn than even modern OLEDs with all of their mitigation strategies. Until they can reach at least that level of longevity, it's going to remain a concern.
This is the reason why I don't badly want an OLED display.
The issues aren't nearly that bad anymore. I have over 2000 run time hours on my C1 with all the brightness limits disabled. It doesn't have any burn in and it doesn't look noticeably less bright or anything than when it was new. I think the issues were mainly with LGs old pre-evo panels. I do have a screen saver that turns on after 3 minutes of inactivity and I don't use it any differently than I would have used a LCD display.
@@silverwatchdogok but you have a pre evo panel...
@@mechanicalmonk2020 No its an EVO C1. The later ones were all EVO panels. I think they started making them in the second half of its lifespan. I confirmed this by looking at the serial number. If you have a P in the 4th place after the full stop in the model number it is an Evo panel.
Also not using heat sink…
Caleb, burn in on OLED is not about static images. It is due to differential aging. It has nothing to do with static images, it could be a changing image in the center of the screen but it will wear the center of the screen more. This is the cause of the green blob burn in of LG WOLEDs like C7. The center red subpixels get used more because skin tones dominate the center of the screen. You can get this burn in without any static content ever.
FACTS!
result is the same.... therefore we still call it burn in
My issue exactly! With my LG TV. The green blob! However, the tv did last six years.
@@sbuzzard69 6 years is pretty terrible. I'm still rocking a Panasonic plasma from 2013 that has no issues with burn in and I know CRTs easily lasted 20+ years with no issues. I would love to upgrade to an OLED soon but the longevity of these newer TVs is really putting me off.
My 2016 LG OLED 55CP(?) suffered burn in from using it as a computer monitor for 4 or 5 months at 10-12 hours a day. And my Sony A8H (2020) has a bit of image retention if I fall asleep with the home menu on for a half an hour or so, the image retention goes away shortly after playing a movie, but I have no idea if I can undo the burn in on my LG,
I was a little worried when I bought my LG E9 65" but i quickly realized that it would take alot to actually even get image retension. I've used CZcams, twitch etc and no trace of burn in. Never looked back. Maybe on the money since i barely use it but it looks nice on the wall. 😁 Now when i think about it, I've actually had more problem with Led-LCD such as 1 burn in(should be more or less impossible) and faulty panels.
Same here … A90J … despite 10 hour static pic accident not even retention noted.
I have a A95K QD TV that you and FOMO strongly suggested and I absolutely love it. Incredible picture and my PS5 works flawlessly with it. I am a casual to semi serious gamer. I have over 100 hours on Fallout4 and over sixty five hours on Far Cry 6and no issues yet. No burn in at all. Looking forward to your next video on QD TV's.
The A95K also has a heatsink, which is also a factor to help reduce burn-in.
I also have the A95K (my first OLED) which is by far the best TV I have ever owned. So far, not even the smallest sign of burn-in. Keeping my fingers crossed that continues to be the case. I don’t know if I could ever go back to a non-OLED TV!
@@LeezahB you can’t lol. I have an A80K and it’s noticeably better then my X90J. Which is a solid tv in its own right. Looking to upgrade my 55 A80 to a 65 or 83 90J or a 95K, 95 L lol
@@zr1cvette I concur that there are some very nice LCD TVs none of which I have owned sad to say, but OLED is just on another level.
bro really said 'i played 65 hours far cry' like thats a lot lol
Great job as always! My last OLED TV is in a spare bedroom and likely will go to recycling soon. It is a 2019 65 inch LG that was great for the first year. Our burn-in started when we were out of the country for a couple of weeks right before the pandemic began. Our twenty something daughter house sat for us and as far as I can tell the TV stayed on 24 hours a day pretty much as bright as it would go. There is a security camera in that room and when I checked in on our pets I noticed that the TV was never off. Most of the time it was on a channel that showed baseball games around the clock. I am not sure why my daughter chose that but she did. End result is a large green spot in the middle of the screen. The TV was out of warranty the day before we got back. With some content the damage is barely noticeable. With others there is a noticeable green diamond shaped blotch on the middle of the screen. I replaced it with a Sony 75 inch LCD TV that looks good and works well. It is on probably 18 hours a day and has been for two years. When we’re not watching TV we are using our Apple TV to play music. I will likely avoid OLED for a while until I know that I will be the person controlling the TV all of the time. I miss the deep blacks and incredible contrast of OLED but my Sony is no slouch either.
I have an LG B7 and same thing happened to me. However, my cousin has an LG C1 and he plays PS5 everyday (the whole day in weekends) with HDR full brightness and the TV has zero burned zones.
LG seems to finally solved it.
Just check if your TV has a good heatsink and avoid A and B series (they used to be the same as higher series but they're not anymore).
I'm with you. My 2-year old LG OLED tv is my only television set in the house so it saw quite some use in its short life between my fiancee and I. My fiancee watches the news each morning before she heads to work and school for approximately an hour a day. There is now a faint burn in on the lower thirds. We only notice it when the screen goes white or yellow, but it's there. OLED produces the best images I have ever seen on screen. Hands down. But, I don't think it's worth it having to constantly dodge static logos and sports scores or news tickers.
Hi Celeb, what's your thought on Samsung CU8000 tv?
Its a 4K LED panel with very thin bezels and the Tv itself is a very thin compared to Samsung's other models. Have you seen any panel heating issues in Samsung slim tv's? Because it can cause to LED burning.
I have an older LG OLED E6P with burn in. About 98% of the time, it’s not noticeable though. I had a Mac Mini hooked up to it for years and the static images from CZcams, browsers, etc. caused it. It only shows up when there is a large bright solid color over most of the screen. That rarely happens while watching movies/video’s though. It’s frustrating none-the-less.
Panel noise clearing does not work on getting rid of this. I have a second LG OLED that has never had any static images and there are no problems. I’d still probably buy another one in the future though.
I wanted to chime in with my experience of owning an LGC1 for approximately 2ish years. I do mostly gaming (a lot of Warzone with the same static minimap)- but I do watch a lot of movies and shows on TV. My TV is just under 2000 hours and hasn't completed the pixel cleaning cycle yet, but my unit has no signs of burn in. I've used uniformity test videos, blank white screen ones and I could not tell any parts that were burned in.
Here's a good tip for gamers: When I play extended sessions of the same game consistently, every time before shutting the console, I put on my Apple TV wallpaper for around 20-30 minutes if I'm not watching a show after gaming. You could substitute it with some nature or moving wallpapers/landscapes on CZcams.
I know my sessions are longer than 4 hours too because the LG OLED's don't click immediately when shutting off to do a small pixel sweep. But still no burn in!
How many hours on your C1? you can get it out in the settings. My C9 has 3,000 hours and my B7 how's almost 5,000 hours. No burn in on either. The B7 is a bit dimmer, but unless they are side by side, you would never notice.
@@michael-4k4000 It's at around 1970 hours, so it hasn't run its first major pixel refresh cycle yet!
@@makeitrainnaren when do they do they do there cycle refresh?
@@michael-4k4000 2000 hours is the first major one where the TV will ask I believe and also takes a few hours. So mine has only done standard pixel refreshes after turning off the screen.
I first switched on my brand new C1 on Valentine's Day 2022 and since then it's done two full-fat refreshes. I can't say how many hours I have on it because for some reason in Europe you cannot view that information without a service remote (go figure). I was pretty surprised when the notification for the second one popped up because, although my TV gets daily use I wouldn't have thought of myself as a particularly "heavy" user. I don't think the full refresh takes any longer than about an hour, tops, although I was switching off at the end of the day prior to going to bed so I couldn't say for sure. The notification also states that you may observe a line, or lines, on the panel during the process but I haven't witnessed anything like that.
My LG 65" C8 from 2018 has severe burn-in from Netflix, CZcams and others channels but even so my next TV is going to be an OLED, once you've experienced those inky black there's no turning back.
I have the same tv with over 17,600 hours of 60/40 gaming tv watching on it with no burn in. 🤷🏻♂️
@@brokenwrench404 Amazing, keep enjoying that bad boy. P.S. I've been playing all my PlayStation 4 and 5 on my tv from the day 1 but with no issues whatsoever but watching CZcams videos and Netflix, Disney+ movies on it is what actually screwed my screen.
@@alexsnow5 same here with tue ps4&5. During lockdown I played sniper elite 4 every day as I was also laid up with a back injury and could barely move. I still do the game disc thing so I my kids can play them. I’ve been waiting for a excuse to move up to a 77” but this tv is still going strong 👍🏼
@@brokenwrench404 I am planning to buy an 65"LG G3 as soon as they'll be available here in Spain first and for most to not see anymore those ugly retentions/burn-in on my C8 and second the C8 has no VRR nor 120Hz support for gaming so I wanted to buy a new TV for a long time but because of the lack of big improvements regarding the brightness I wasn't that sure, until this year. Thanks to Samsung and their new great TV QD-OLED from last year, LG finally had to reinvent them self and this year at least for the most premium TV they've introduced this new OLED-MLA technology which is exactly what I was expected from an amazing TV, a lot of features for movies and gaming and of course color volume/accuracy and big brightness. Anyway thanks for the chat, have a great day mate.
Even LG added more settings to mitigate burn in completely that it's should no longer a thing.
Can you do as video on the Lg C2 about what settings to mess with in order to help avoid burn in?
Pretty much every game has static images, especially racing and RPGs. I'm kind of worried about my Sony A90k in that respect. My 42" A90k doubles as a monitor/TV... I play around 3-5 hours a day, more on off-days. The problem is there aren't many Mini-LED monitors/TVs in the 27"-42" range that I know of. I'm careful, but definitely fall into the should be worried territory.
I have a soon to be 5 year old lg c8 with over 17,600 hours on it if 60/40 gaming tv watching and it shows no signs of minimap, hud or tv logo burn in. It’s been a non issue. I game on it almost daily 4-6 hours
Most of those static elements are at least partially translucent and generally not 100% brightness white. Those mitigate the risks significantly.
***BEWARE potential buyers on the fence***Burn in is very real no matter how they try and spin it away or justify there purchases!
Baby sitting the screen is a terrible thing to tell the consumer.
Excellent video and I agree with all you said.
As for QDOLED. I think Rtings should put in an S95C 65" with the Gen 2 panel and see after same time frame if the results of burn in is the same or if there is none during that same time frame.
Then we know if it's a Gen 1 panel issue or if it's just that QD OLED is more susceptible as it is right now.
I mean it took LG OLED to reach this level of being able to prevent burn in. Numerous years of improvements and changes with pixel sizes and the use of Deuterium and so on.
They had easy burn in all the way up to C7-8 and after slightly less and then more less with Evo panels. It didn't happen after just 1 year of their W-OLED being out like QD-OLED.
Thank you!
Burn-in is the whole reason why I got a mini-LED monitor. Going head-to-head it might be slightly worse than OLED displays, but with over 1000 local dimming zones I still get perfect blacks, and I still get amazing colors for HDR content because it's able to be so bright with it being an LED display.
QD-OLED displays my change the game, but when I got my monitor the only QD-OLED displays on the market were either TVs that were way too big for my use case or the Alienware QD-OLED display, which was fantastic for what it was, but I was not looking for an Ultrawide display.
Burn in not big deal don't leave static content Mini LED still blooms but near OLED my opinion Sony Bravia LED and Mini LED blooming is overblown by ignorant people. But OLED still unbeatable best picture quality until Micro LED.
But the blacks aren’t perfect 😅
@@trumptookthevaccine1679 They are so close that they effectively are perfect. At its darkest it's under 0.5 nits of brightness. In other words it's so dark that the human eye would not be able to tell the difference between a pure black image between a good Mini-LED screen with enough local dimming zones versus an OLED.
In other words, it's perfect blacks. The biggest issue with Mini-LED are not its black levels, its biggest issues are its color banding, bloom, and haloing. But that mainly is for displays that don't have enough local dimming zones. Now it is true that those issues will be perceptible compared to an OLED, but overall those issue would be very, very minor.
What model is your mini-LED? This is the first time I'm looking for something to buy right now, so I'd love to look into this option as well! Thank you in advance!!!
@@beefchampion2792 I got the Samsung Odyssey Neo G8. My biggest issues with it is minor haloing when you don't calibrate the monitor correctly. But using rtings calibration along with a bit of fiddling on my own and it's the best display that I have owned in my life.
Some new stuff is coming out now though along with smaller QD-OLED displays, so you might want to look around and get a different monitor. But I can at least say that if you do go with the same display that I got that you won't be disappointed for either gaming or movie viewing.
It's the only reason I've never bought an oled. The burn in. Once the companies can warranty the burn in, then I'll definitely buy one. I considered the qd oled but then I was told that heightens the risk of burn in because they get brighter and it's more riskier so I continue to wait and might end up getting the next best TV after qd oled and oled
Hmmm but what if your lcd will be broken just right after warranty. Nowadays it is a common thing. I tell you what. Nothing. They won’t help you.
Qd Oled uses additional led backlight to be brighter. That means pixels should last much longer because the more light pixels produce the more wear you see. Unfortunately rtings showed that because of lack of white sub pixel Qd-oleds still have to product a lot of brightness just from the pixels and you can see burn in earlier than on standard woled. But new Lg g3 with mla uses standard woled panels with additional lenses which give us more light.
Great job again Caleb and how timely. I have a Panasonic Plasma which is 9 years old and was pushed hard and it shows little if any burn in. I was about to replace it with an OLED and after extensive research including including, user complaints reading image retention, screen uniformity issues and burn in , product reviews and the recent Ratings study it appears to be a valid issue and It may may now explain why the reluctance to see effective consumer protection and warrenties against it aside from LGs attempt with the G series (5 year panel warranty) . .I was all set on getting a Sony or QD OLED.... but I am seriously rethinking getting an Oled .. Granted the results may be anecdotal but where there is smoke there is fire and no one really understand the issue. From what I can tell the most stable OLEDs out there may be the LGs but I don't know how much confidence that gives one to plunk down their hard earned cash on a game of chance many will likely lose at just because they exhibit TV normal use tendencies. Gues I will keep the Plasma and continue my quest for a Good TV.
If you managed to not get burn in on your plasma tv your more than fine on an oled. I had a Panasonic plasma tv myself for years no burn in. Wanted a 4K tv and bought a edge lit lcd hated it bought a lg c9 oled and been using it ever since no burn in. Though I wish I had got a 65 inch instead of a 55. So now I have that upgrade itch. C4 perhaps if it has the new screen
My $0.02: Prior to my ‘17 LG OLED, I got 10yrs out of my reference Pioneer Kuro PDP. It still works fine, and I experienced zero issues/burn in after thousands of hours, including lots of BD usage. Despite my 81yr old Mom’s best efforts to kill my OLED55C7P with daily marathon SD cable TV viewing, I’ve had zero issues in nearly 7yrs of ownership. I bought her a LCD LG for her room to ruin at her leisure, but she still works the OLED hard. If it fails tomorrow, especially since my Amazon extended warrantee is now done/dusted, I certainly got my money’s worth and will definitely buy LG OLED moving forward.
I did not experience burn-in with my 2020 65" LG CX OLED. I had burn-out - an entire vertical column of LEDs that manifested itself as a thin black line - after less than 2 years.
I'm done with OLEDs. In addition to burn-in and burn-out, the lack of vibrant colors was always disappointing. In my opinion, the vibrancy of Samsung's neo QLED far outweighs the occasional halo effect that occurs in dark scenes with bright lights, something you don't notice anyway unless you're doing a side-by-side comparison.
My replacement Samsung QN90B is just stunning, with no concerns of image retention or diminished brightness of organic LEDs. Also, the more TV manufacturers try to brighten OLEDs, the more likely that burn-in will occur, and the quicker the organic LEDs will degrade.
Burn in will always be a thing. You should always be concerned because of the easy fact, they will not include it in warranty!! That's it!! If they are not worried then put it in the warranty and people will stop talking about it! I don't know why people keep trying to say it's not a issue when manufacturers themselves talk about it and even make burn in prevention tools.
Alienware has a 3 year warranty on burn-in
@@maegnificant they are not a manufacturer, they buy from lg
@@cheekclapper177 and?
Doesn’t the G2 &G3 have a 5 year burn in warranty
Have you never owned an OLED? or looked through the manual on one? It states about Burn-in but it's shady with its terminology and also, in the video as stated "every screen will burn in" every display has its ups and downs and I'll take supreme picture quality amongst many many more features over anything else! Also, some companies do cover it with warranty! Mines covered for 6 years with Richer Sounds and I have people I speak to in the States who've said that there are companies that cover burn-in as well!. It's a case of picking your poison! Do you want the very best with just having to be slightly more careful? Or have a pheasant display and have no experience? I know what I'd take!.
We also have an older Panasonic plasma tv with no burn in. Still has a beautiful picture. Recently bought an LG A2 for the bedroom, and it is also awesome.
Considering getting an A2 for my disabled wifes bedroom what size did you get and what did you pay? I am in UK
Great video as always. As a recent A90J owner, I would imagine having the heatsink on the tv helps dissapate the heat, reducing burn in potential?
Yes but Sony Bravia A1E right up to new A70L A80L A95L no reports of burn in compared to LG and Samsung.
@@RobertK1993 because Sony was and still is less popular. That’s why. Sony costs much more so people who buy Sonys know what they are buying. It is different with Lg. Some people have no idea what to do and how take care of Oled
@@RobertK1993 not true. The Sonys are showing burn in with RTINGS
@@trumptookthevaccine1679 Which models? I am assuming this is mostly with static images for long periods of time?
@@Alex-xg8py the Rtings burn-in test is a torture test. 18 hours per day streaming CNN on max brightness. Also, there is no telling how good the airflow is in their warehouse so it may not mimic average home conditions. But yes, both Samsung and Sony are showing burn-in in their testing. LG is not. Considering that Sony buys it's WRGB OLED panels from LG, I'm curious what LG is doing differently.
My LG OLED now has noticable burn in. Particularly in the lower right corner. Almost EVERY channel we watch keeps their logo in that spot continuously. So that area of the screen had gone DARK. I am furious why they see a need to keep that on screen as it has limited value and seriously damages expensive TV screens. This also happened on the plasma TV I had before I got the OLED. I guess my next TV will not be OLED of any ilk.
How long did the burn in take? Or how long have you had the TV? Which model LG do you have. I just got a LG C2 55" I love it but wonder if I should have gone with a QLED. I can still exchange it. My father just got a TCL Mini LED QLED that looks amazing and was $545 vs the $999 I paid for the LG. But the OLED clearly has the better picture when it comes to contrast and black levels. BUT HDR content on the Mini led QLED is the winner. BUT the only HDR content I watch is when I go looking for it on youtube lol
@@scottcol23 apology. I keep replying to your question and it keeps getting deleted. Can't figure out why. 🤔
@@jamessimmons8352 crazy how the comment that is explaining the comment gets through 🤔 lol
@@scottcol23 I'll try again. My 55" LG OLED55C8PUA was purchased in June 2018 so its 5 years old. I started noticing burn in about a year ago and it has gotten worse fairly quickly this year. I started looking at the Samsung Neo QLED TVs and read a good review in a Tom's Guide online review dated Feb 21, 2023 of the 2022 models. So I bought a 2022 model QN95B 55" a few weeks ago based largely on this review. Couldn't be happier as the colors are breathtaking but not unnatural. Black levels and contrast look as good as the OLED. I also like the brighness as my family room is very bright during the day. So far no regrets at all with switching from OLED to QLED. Also, since the 2023 model QN95C just came out, the prices on the 2022 models dropped significantly - on my unit the price dropped $700. It was hard to resist.
Hi just wanted to say thank you for the useful information on oleds Eddie Bower
I love my Samsung plasma screen but even with the use of screen burn protection from the sub menu I still get retention if I play games for too long, which is usually about 4-5 hours daily for a month. It takes playing another game for a month straight to remove the old screen retention, but now there's another bit of retention from a different game's HUD now on the screen.
I suppose if I got an OLED television eventually, I could transition to play games exclusively on it and only play movies on my plasma screen(it really has a quality all on its own and I'm not willing to junk/sell it yet)
Having owned many FALD LCD/QLEDs….I cannot agree that there are no worries to be seen with said technology. That hasn’t been my experience at all. Virtually every FALD LCD/QLED I’ve owned, eventually acquired backlighting zones that ended up being dimmer, than surrounding zones. Sometimes, the zone just completely quits working, and no light was even produced, which leads to a dark corner, or worse yet, a dim center portion of the screen. I have three LCD/QLED based displays in my home right now, that exhibit these behaviors…of having uneven zones, luminance wise. Which obviously leads to WAY more distracting DSE.
Not to mention, those displays have a lot more involved, in getting great PQ. Way more layers involved. Things like FALD, controlling the backlight, takes a lot more work than say, on an OLED. All that processing isn’t needed, to control the zones, and local dimming algorithm, in conjunction with tone mapping. There’s just a lot more to go wrong on those sets, due to how they’re engineered, imho.
On OLED, it either gets burnt in, or it doesn’t. And if you catch any issues quickly enough, there are features that do work to fix it. Personally, I experience no burn in on my CX with 10,000 hours. Did I have other issues…yes. I kept having pixels dropping like flies, nearly everyday, around the border of the screen.
The C2 I have now, with 4,000 hours, shows absolutely ZERO issues thus far. Not even one dead, or stuck pixel. Great uniformity, even near black. There’s no venetian blind effect either, which my CX suffered from.
For PC gamers I'd recommend using an OLED as your main display for gaming with black background and taskbar auto hidden and an LCD as a secondary monitor for webpages, videos, streams and anything else that is going to be left on for many hours. It's worked well for me.
also set your winblows screensaver to 1 min and be amazed at the mistify one.
@@JohnSmith-ro8hk Also, have the desktop change pictures every minute. Don't use desktop shortcuts
Why a secondary monitor? With a little tweaking you can setup browsers to be fully dark skinned and can even do the same in a browser, inverting webpages and even skinning them entirely with Stylish/Stylus. I can't see any reason to need a secondary screen unless your watching content with unmoving banners, news and sports channels. I have a 55" C1 as my PS5/PC monitor and I couldn't imagine trying to use something that didn't have oled blacks right next to it. I can't even use my Predator Ultrawide anymore because its severe ips bleed is magnified times a thousand when your eyes know true black.
@@aaronb9630 you're*
You stole my thunder. I am using a 48" cx as my only desktop pc monitor and I do exactly the same thing. Black background- hidden task bar - no icons are displayed -i run browsers in a smaller windowed mode and often change sizes - always use dark mode in windows and on any browsers i may use- i only play a single game and that too is ran in windowed mode - ive lowered brightness and contrast for the pc input- I turn the TV off absolutely every time i am away from it..... the upshot is, just checked after watching this video.. i have 14,168 hours on this TV and no detectable burn in whatsoever. My only gripe is the dimming function of the TV but I am sort of used to it.