Do We Still Need To Worry About OLED Burn-In?
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The second gen QD Oleds use deuterium in the oled panel stack (like the LG EX panels) so the durability should be better. Phosphorescent blue oled should be coming in the next couple years which should be the huge jump in brightness and durability.
Honestly i'm really not intersted in what you can do to it in the first year or two of heavy (ab)use. I don't like to throw thousands at new TVs every 3 years, i'd like to be able to buy a TV i know will last for well over 5 years and that i dont have to constantly be vigilant about the way it's being used
Modern OLEDs last well over 5 years with absolutely no issue, without any special precautions. It’s a total non issue and just a case of people being paranoid.
It is quite funny that people spend thousands on a new TV and then spend their time watching it on highly diminished setting to avoid a burn in issue that doesn’t really exist.
more importantly, an oled with slight burn-in is not only still perfectly usable, but still vastly superior to LCD anyway.
@@Zveebo
Never read a single comment about having one over 5 years, lol.
I've got a 2017 OLED LG TV that I thought would be good for decades. Not even close! The TV has Netflix, youtube and CNN logos etched. There are brightness problems, the left side is brighter than the right side. This is after hours of pixel refresher trying to equalize both sides. This is the nature of OLED, it will die much faster than a LED monitor for example. I didn't play games or used it as a monitor, just imagine if I had... Anyway, the technology might have evolved but it still is OLED, organic element which has a much shorter lifespan than LED. I won't buy OLED ever again. Fool me once...
That's just the thing with all these profesionnal tech testers, they replace their stuff every year. Of course burn in is a non issue for them.
I've carried over old plasma habits to my OLEDs. Been using OLED since the B7 and now have a C1 and AW3423DW. Just small things like if I've paused a game and know I'm walking away for 10+ minutes I'll turn off the TV. The old B7 would occassionally suffer from image retention from some game HUDs (Destiny 2 I'm looking at you with your reds and and yellows) but it would always go away. Only one time I had a stubborn outline but the built in pixel refresh cleared it up. That was on the B7 and no dramas with my newer OLEDs. I don't worry about my AW3423DW at all despite being a monitor because when you pixel peep you can actually see it pixel shift.
I used to work from home and while working, I played FFXIV on my personal computer. So basically, it would be on for hours. I noticed after 8 months of this, when i go to settings in windows 11, I have slight burn in on my Alienware QD OLED, from the map compass in FFXIV. I don't notice it any other time but its still there even after the long pixel reset.
LG have more experience with Oled panels so always the better option for longevity.
@@AlienYogurtPot123 Rtings' test does hint that current LG panels handle burn-in better than the competition
@@AlienYogurtPot123 Ford had better experience with rusty cars but that never played in their benefice.
@@eduardosilva8933right just saw the rtings long time test for lg's 27 inch 1440p woled monitor and it looks good if you compare it with other monitors.
I would probably jump to lg when it brings 32 inch 4k woled monitors.
I’ve had a CX since early 2020, only ever used for gaming. Taken zero precautions, full HUD, 10+ hour gaming sessions and so far there have been no problems. Amazing TV btw, would recommend an LG C series to anyone.
good to hear
About to pick the C3 up. Always happy to read this stuff. Reassuring. Thanks!
have a cx too since early 2021. thousands of hours using it and no problems so far. i'm looking forward to purchase the c3 or b3 but i'm seeing a lot of people complaining about warranty here in brazil
@@maicovski BRASILLL VAMOOOS!!
Idk how it works there, but so far so good. TV’s been amazing! But warranty is a big deal on such devices… See how the stores handle it, at least that’s what i did
@@lopesmorrenofim huehuehue! i think i'm gonna give it a chance. left my cx with my mom so i don't think it will last long xD
As an LG C1 owner, i *do* take precautions, as i use it not only for my PS5, but as my gaming PC monitor. I do so because I am also the owner of LG B6 that got severe burn-in after only 18 months that I got repaired. No burn-in on my C1, but, hey, I've learned lessons from my first OLED experience. That said, I do believe that current-gen OLED's are built to combat burn-in better than they did with early-generation OLED's like my B6.
Am I okay if I keep my TVs/monitors at low brightness? Having bright screens gives me headaches so I almost always keep my screens’ brightness within the bottom 25% range that I can use.
my only precautions are hidden taskbar, black desktop, hidden icons, and the screen move feature on my lg c1. but i’m really not worried about it. i keep my oled brightness maxed
I use oled as monitor, I've noticed the only burn in you get is at full field 5% grey in mild vertical streaks, but no image retention at all.
For reference it looks just like the 100% black on a good IPS panel.
Got the C1 when it came out (black Friday) and still kicking like day 1.
I’ve got a 4K oled LG downstairs, and a pretty damn old 1080p plasma upstairs. It’s not always clear cut as to what “looks better”. The black levels on the plasma are still impressive, and the slightly softer resolution can really help console games to feel more stable and cohesive, whereas the 4K screen can produce a “warts n all” image that clearly displays jaggies and shimmering as well as causing distant, low fidelity assets to feel raw and exposed.
Screen size and viewing distance plays into this a lot.
In summery- clean, stable, stylised games almost always look better on the 4K oled, but more complex, detailed games that rely on lots of image reconstruction and other post processing effects that create things like occlusion artefacts, can look more stable and cohesive on a smaller, lower resolution screen in my subjective opinion.
"I am using zero precautions"
Words never to be said in some court cases.
better call saul
I use and abuse a 55 C1and a 42 C2 without any anti burn in precautions. Even turned of GSR and TPC in the service manual. Both are fine. Mainly used for gaming.
Had a B9 for years and not had any problems, previously a C7 which my brother uses and it’s good as new. 👍
Had a C8 since 2018 and a BX since 2021 and never ever had any issues, despite 2386 hours on the binding of isaac! 😊
I'm using an LG CX as my main monitor for almost 3 years now. Daily 10-12 hours of use with 7-8 hours of work (coding). I'm doing minimal care (not at max brightness, no taskbar, changing wallpaper, after 10 minutes kicking-in blank screensaver). Not yet noticed any kind of burn-in. I think the automatic dimming it does is more annoying at this point to me than a potential burnin :D (I think I'll get a service remote and disable it, once it's warranty is over)
The earlier OLED’s were terrible with burn in. I had a B7 that had very bad burn in. Prior to that I had a B1 I believe. I had to get the B1’s panel replaced a couple times, because of burn in from gaming. Eventually I just gave it away. Currently I have a C1 that I’ve had for like two years, and no issues whatsoever. LG has really improved the tech on their tv’s. They’ve been getting better and better since the C9.
That's encouraging because I had horrible burn-in on the C7 from yellow hud items. I couldn't watch anything anymore. Had the panel replaced and only game at 15-30 OLED light and try to avoid yellow hud items.
Had the B7 as well - lasted 1.5 years and LG basically said tough when the middle of the screen started displaying yellows as green. Decided never to give another penny to LG that day. Glad to hear people are having better experiences these days
I've had a B7 for five years with no obvious burn in. I do usually run it with the minimum eco setting enabled though which drops peak brightness slightly, but aside from that I just use for gaming like I would any other TV.
@@Joey-ll3qri have this panel as well. Burn in on red background. But the tv itself is pretty old so im fine with what i have. Doesn't bother me🤗 apex legends hud forever 🤣
@@mikedergalev Lol. For me it was only 1.5 years. I would see the Overwatch yellow dial and other yellow hud items from other games on backgrounds that wasn't blue/green/black, so not just red (but ya terrible on that). You would really see the hud items on people's faces for example. It was crazy.
That generation of OLED had very weak/small red sub-pixels. Meaning bright red, yellow and orange would burn in fast if the OLED light was 80+ (which was default lol)
I got a 42 c2 oled and have been using it as a monitor regularly since July of 2022. I don’t hide my taskbar and just use it like I would with any regular monitor. Only prevention I do is set a blank screen saver to come on after a few minutes but otherwise I did not change my habits at all. Zero issues to date
I don't remember if the QD-OLEDs have that MLA-tech, which are micro-lenses that help increase the brightness, which LG uses with their "third gen" of panels now, PLUS also a heatsink. And I think that helps take the load off the actual OLED-panel so that it doesn't need to run as bright and hot and thus wear down as much, which is really what permanent retention is, just weakened pixels that don't go as bright anymore. - PLUS, as RTINGS has demonstrated, the mitigation different manufacturers have implemented over the years help a LOT. As in, a panel can show some noticeable image-retention after a good run, but then it will run a "cleaning process" to do something to the panel, which you can't see (it's not like using imagery or anything), and that actually helps even things out again very well.
I would still kind of watch a lot of static icons and HUDs and menus though, just by changing things up regularly. But overall, we've finally arrived at a point that it's not a big issue anymore (with some of the latest panels anyway), which is what I've personally been waiting for over perhaps a decade or whatever, and I'm actually getting my first OLED-panel (TV) ever this week probably. And I'm coming from a 2009 Plasma, which definitely has darkened areas from things like channel-logos and subtitles (I'm not the only one who uses it), so yea... I'm very glad they've "resolved" this issue to a great extent, because those panels are expensive, and it's also just a waste if they become inconsistent, even if it was cheap.
It doesn't, microlenses are specifically designed to mitigate the issues of color filtered WOLEDs which inherently lose a lot of the white backlight when they're filtering out the subpixel. MLA recovers some of that light. QD-OLED works on absorption and reemission via quantum dots, it transforms incoming blue light without losing any noticeable energy.
All OLEDs start burning out from the second you start them, within 6 months you have burn in on 5% greys and within 18 months, on 50% greys. Not using them or using them on a black screen really doesn't count to panel hours. The only question is whether you can discern it on screen depending on static elements, but the entire panel wears down as you drive more voltage through it, exacerbating burn in further with panel refreshes.
Really, all those mitigations do is screw you out of the warranty period because you can't make a claim on burn in on time and you're stuck with a useless brick that can't be resold. I have an AW3423DWF and I'm enjoying it, but I am very aware that I need to get it to burn in within 3 years to get a replacement and then resell that before moving on.
My old B6 has image retention from News Network and it’s a bit upsetting. It only visible in certain conditions.
From my experience this was a little bit of an issue still in 2017. Not major. I had an LG OLED from 2017 and I would get some temporary retention a few times when I got distracted and left the tv on with some menus. These did fade out after a few days. It was nothing to the extent of the Plasma tv's which mostly had strong burned in energy bars and HUD elements. Though I think near the end my Panasonic Plasma was pretty good about that. Since then Ive had a LG C8 OLED, 65 inch from 2018 with close to 9000 hours on it, almost PURELY gaming (dont watch movies or tv). I play everything from super old games through an emulation machine to modern games with tons of hud elements. Not only have I taken zero precautions, I have the panel brightness maxed, contrast maxed and brightness at 50. I have not seen a single area of retention on this unit , anywhere, that I can remember. If there was a ghost image on the screen it was for a very brief period. The only issue ive had with this unit is a bunch of dead pixels in clusters around the edge of the screen. Ive read this could be some kind of issue with sealing it improperly. I dont even notice it unless I stare at the edges of the screen during less detailed content. With all that said, I will be upgrading my PC monitor soon, to an OLED monitor. That concerns me more but I will take the jump and use it normally and see what happens. If I have to baby it then Ill stick with CRT monitors. LCD is definately not an option for me. My play time is around 1500 hours a year (my tv shows the power on time). I do shut the screen off if Im leaving static menus on for 30 minutes or longer usually, but nothing too insane maintenance wise.
Back in the Plasma days I did take alot of precautions. Switching up the games I played was something I normally did anyway, but didnt seem to help much. There would always be that one Souls game or big game that I would marathon, and that would be the game to really burn in the HUD elements. They would stay for many months on the old Plasma's, maybe never evening out. OLED has been so much better.
The 2018 LG OLED still looks awesome, so I have no plans to upgrade for this console generation, unless it breaks. Im out of the 5 year best buy store warranty now. I reccomend getting a 5 year best buy warranty on any new display, especially since they can end up being 3-4k. Ive had numerous sets just break or have some weird visual glitch, it happens. I dont see these consoles pushing past 4K for a while and most games dont break 60 FPS on console, so my 4k 60 FPS TV seems fine until more games start pushing the limits.
Any issues with text clarity or day to day normal 'computer use'. Very interested in indulging in the lg ultragear oled but hesitant due to the assumed text clarity issues compared to led/lcd.
You can make it very clear by calibrating with the windows cleartype thing. but more importantly, i rarely, if ever, use 1-pixel wide text on this screen. the resolution is just too big for that. right now, my youtube is at 190% scale on my browser. at this point, the text is just perfectly clear.
I've had a CX for a few years and just used it full brightness all the time (but I leave in stand by so it does do its auto cleaning stuff I guess) but mines fine. I don't give it a second thought anymore.
Before the new gen consoles came, I thought about getting the Oled. But when I heard about the burn in, I got shook real fast lol. I’m happy with my Sony Bravia 120 hz.
I do a bunch of mitigation stuff. Some of it i would do anyway even on LCD, but...
- no wallpaper (it's just black. only reason i wouldn't do this on LCD is back a flat black screen on LCD is gross with all the greasy light leaking and IPS glow)
- dark theme on everything
- auto-hide on windows bar
- very low brightness most of the time (this is more because my room is very dim most of the time and i don't want a screen flashbanging me eyes every time, plus i don't like when brightness fluctuates too much on desktop due to ABL so i just keep it at a level that it... doesn't.
The difference i that i want mine to last for at least 6 years, and preferably 10 if possible, not a few months. 3 years or maybe 7000 hours in and we're fine.
Things i don't do that i should: hide the browser tabs and menu. if anything is going to burn into my screen, it's probably that.
I had horrible Burn-in on my LG C7 after 1.5 years. It was the Overwatch HUD ( the bright yellow dial for ultimate). It was terrible and I couldn't watch TV. Pixel refresh cleared it the first 2 times then never again. I only played after work and maybe half the week. Had other yellow things start to burn as well towards the end as well (FF14).
I had the panel replaced and I live in fear ever since with the OLED light at 15-30 when in gaming mode. I won't play games with bright yellow hud elements I can't move. The technician that replace it showed me tons of burn-in pics. Mostly CZcams/netflix/CNN logos and A LOT of massive blob burn-ins from people that watch tons of news (the skin of the news anchors burns in).
I love the picture quality but man it sucks to be scared all the time. Hopefully the tech is more resilient now because gaming at such dark levels sucks.
My understanding is that the B8/C8 is basically the first gen with good (anti-)burn-in characteristics. x6/x7 seems pretty darn bad when it comes to burn-in.
Your issue is pretty common for that TV. It seems like the CX, perhaps the C9, is when panels and pixel cleaning algorithms really started to fix the issue. I wouldn't be afraid of HUD burn in on any CX or newer model of LG OLED, possibly other brands too but it depends on the make/model/panel.
TV screens have built in methods of dealing with burn in especially the Oleds. I have an LG C2 as well and haven't seen any burn in. But you can activate screen savers on the consoles. For Xbox hold the guide button and press X to immediately start a screen saver. On PS5 you can set it to activate after 5 minutes of being idle from the console.
oled screens only. lcd doesn't need or use mitigation.
@@OniMirageLG just lets you close the whole screen off, while keeping audio on - I have it accessible with the press of a 3 button prompt, I use it always when having something static on
Give it 2 to 3 more years, your TV will have burn in. This is coming from someone who has owned several OLEDS in the last 8 years.
@@03chrisv sounds like a user issue
My buddy has been gaming on his LG C1 for the past 4 years non stop. Zero burn in. Sorry, but you're buying shit OLED's.
I'm on my second 4K LG OLED TV with my 55 in. C1 used as a Computer Monitor on my living room wall. I used to be afraid about burn in with my first OLED TV, I used to do the picture refresh every so often and ended up giving it to my mother and got myself the C1 2 years ago. Now the only thing I do is have a black wallpaper, dark mode and autohide taskbar. The only burn in I see is on gray screens is a faint vertical line in the middle of the TV and an even more faint line horinzontal line. But HDR on OLED, plus low input lag and deep blacks outweights the cons, I'm never going back to LED TVs (Though I would buy a true MicroLED TV if it meant each pixel was its own LED)
I have a 65 cx model no burn in after many years but my c2 42 inch got burn in with in 300 hours of use. LG just replaced the panel for me this week.
I believe it got burn in because I was working all week long and noticed it was left on by kids for 3 days on one image.
i have had the LG CX48 since UK release and using as my pc monitor i sometimes even forget to turn the screen off zero issues.
I've been thinking of getting a new TV soon and I've been considering the 42-inch LG-C3. Is the C3 any better or at least as good as the C2? I've heard such good things about the C2 I was hoping the C3 didn't break any compatibility or gotten worse in any way.
The C1-3 are basically the same tv. The improvements there are incredibly small from model to model. The C3 just has a tiny bit more color volume and a very modest image processing advantage. That sums it up. If you are by chance looking for a step up, wait until MLA trickles down into the C models.
I take RTings data and tests and they pretty much show you have to go to some extremes to get any issue with the major models that if you fell asleep at the couch and power save mode settings turn it off a few hours later you're nowhere near burning out or making it burn in because of that single session. It will take many and for me personally it may never happen. My kids could leave the systems on overnight and I'll be fine.
I don't have an OLED yet but when my current one bites the dust I will likely make the move.
It’s not really about static content. Over time the differential wear accumulates. For example, the LG C7 after a few years all develop a green blob in the center since the red subpixel wears more in the center of the screen. This is simply because human skin tones have more red in them and humans are normally shown in the center of a shot. It’s been improved but it’s still a concern, especially with QD-OLED.
Rtings also said that burn in is inevitable
It will happen. It is inevitable. Image retention can't be stopped.
The question is just: when?
Its honestly amusing how ppl talk about burn in as if nothing major and basically dismiss it when it hasn't happened to them in either a few months, a year or maybe even a few years. How the tech works will result in burn in, plain and simple. If that wasn't the case, why are there built-in software features to mitigate or reduce burn in? Why don't manufacturers cover burn in if its such a "ehh nothing to worry about thing??" So happy mini-led is getting real close to matching OLED in several areas.
I leave my desktop up a lot and I did notice some burn in, but running the pixel cleaning mode cleared it up!
I have two different OLED televisions and an OLED monitor. My first OLED television, an LG C7... which I no longer own, did suffer from major burn in. Using it as a monitor, the start menu (which I now hide) and CZcams's right side list of videos, were burned in.
LG replaced the panel for free.
The newer ones, an LG GX and LG A2 as well as a Samsung G8 OLED... the only precaution I take, is that I turn them off when I walk away to do anything in a different room.
No burn in, heavy use on all of them. Gaming, productivity... you name it. They all get put through their paces. High brightness, HDR so on and so forth.
I suppose I do also have the built-in pixel shift and such turned on too, which I am sure helps. So far, so good though.
I've used my LG C8 for around 3 years as a PC monitor and there's definitely some burn-in, but it's not noticeable at all with normal use. The most evident burn-in is Google Chrome logo lol.
Been using an lgcx for 3 or 4 years I think it’s been and have had no issues. I did fall asleep a few times and my pc or whatever was on the screen stayed and got some image retention but did the screen clear thing and it’s fixed it right up
I would not be worried but I would also not expect to get 10 years out of an OLED like you could get out of an LCD if the power supply etc. doesn’t die.
I'm gonna be happy if I get four or five years personally. It's expensive but I can't even look at LCDs anymore
My LG 65" B6 is sensitive to yellows, but it's an older set. Apart from the OS being laggy nowadays, it's functioning well. I don't game on it anymore as it's used in the lounge atm.
My C9 i bought in July 2020 still looks n runs brand new without any burn-in and my OLED brightness n shit stays maxed and i use HDR effect on everything thats not HDR but with a little fine tuning of course. I dont even use the option that dims logos and tickers on the screen. I do turn on pixel shifting sometimes but not all the time. 3 years mostly maxed out, not 1 issue yet. And if u let the tv "warm up" a lil bit before blasting brightness it limits retention, same with dimming it some b4 turning it off
Been using my LG C1 for two years haven't had any panel problems yet, mostly use for movies and gaming.
Is low frame-rate tolerable on an OLED TV? Like 24p anime and 30 fps games. I hear the instant response times made low frame-rate stutter way more noticable. Is it as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be or is it something I can just get used to?
Yep, all amazing. LG TVs even have the smoothing thing, if you're into that short of things.
I usually like my stuff as pure as possible, but the implementation is just so good I find myself using it quite often.
Otherwise, if you're keeping the original settings, it works just fine, no worries!
My previous Sony A8 was fine for 3 years and my Panasonic LZ980 has been fine for the last 8 months. Just make sure you don't switch your OLED off at the wall so it can do it's screen maintenance. Most modern OLED TV's have plenty of options to reduce the risk of screen burn and some retailers offer protection against it. Richer Sounds gave me a five year guarantee that included cover for burn in.
I have over 10,000 hours of using my LG CX as a monitor. Zero burn in. I do have a reduced brightness mode for desktop use with dark mode but it's honestly mostly for eye comfort. I will straight up leave bright white blocks of tweets on the screen and walk away for hours with no issue. And I do game with HDR. I genuinely don't think it's a concern in normal usage scenarios.
My C2 oled has image retention when. With my Xbox when I have cyberpunk 2077 in the disc setting on my desktop for a couple of min. That cyberpunk yellow wrecks screens
On my CX, there's no burn in but grey uniformity is getting bad which only visible on 5-10% grey.
Same with my C1. I hope it doesn't keep getting worse. Only visible in nintendo switch menu, and maybe on some ps5 menus (for now)
What would you pick? A OLED display with Intel procesor I5? Or a LED/IPO display with I7 procesor?
I've been playing on my oled everyday playing games on my ps5, xbox and pc at max oled pixel brightness and I've had my LG C1 since October 2021, no sign of burn in at all.
LG OLEDs are the most resistant, the built in safety features are perfectly tuned, the logo luminance dimming and the compensation cycles work more correctly than the competitors. Also, in 2021 & onwards, LG has shifted from using hydrogen to deuterium for emitting light, making their OLEDs more resilient. With the MLA panel in the new 27' 1440p LG, even more resistant
As far as I know they still don't include deuterium in their Tv and monitors, at least not all of them as its pretty recent, and they seem to offer only some OLED.EX Tvs. I hope this will change sooner than later, would be nice to see some TVs and monitors in a burn-in competition or whatever we'd call it. It is true however they are doing most advancements, the WOLED, the MLA and so on.. it is after all their tech so I would except them to excel at it.
@@NotEvenDeathCanSaveUdo you even own an OLED? There is no burn-in.
@@squalltheonly Did you even read my comment? I wouldn't go as far as saying there is no burn-in, you will get image retention if you keep displaying particular kind of BS on it for long time, similar how rtings does it tests playing CNN on there nonstop, but I would say LG has made a ton of advances that minimized that, esp. stuff like WOLED and now the .EX with deuterium, per my original comment. And yeah I own two LG ultragear 27 inch OLED monitors in a bit crazy dual monitor setup, also LG 77 inch OLED and my parents have I think 55 inch LG OLED TV. from 2019 Just because none of these have retention, doesn't mean they won't get it ever, I can't guarantee that, I am however hopeful they will be retention free until the day they're replaced, what is a good possibility for my 77 inch OLEd especially as I don't use it much, in case of my parents TV they use it nonstop and its older model so no idea there, in case of my monitors I am not sure, but then again I don't even care as I will just buy 2 new screens. Cost of 1.6 to 2k luckily isn't much for me.
I am not some burn-in scaremongerer, I am just realistically pointing out it still might be issue for some who display the same kind of stuff on it for years, but for regular consumer watching movies, tv shows or playing games on it I would say they have nothing to fear of for years and years, most probably until the day the screen is replaced with newer model, so for most people thats anywhere between 4/6/8 years. This applies especially for those panels from LG, who again seem to have made the most advancements in that tech. QD-OLED and other copy-cat techs seem to be a bit behind on the durability so far.
Let me know when anyone owns one for longer than 4 years without burn in.
@@timexcape7961 I've had my C1 for 2 years and no burn in. Just don't be a nerd and play the same game for 8 hours a day. Use the TV like a normal adult and it'll last forever.
let me know what happened to you, but i got the windows logo burnt in after a year or so with an lg c1 (slight but visible with white picture). i used dark mode though, i think bright mode might not have caused it. the task bar was almost black, the windows start logo was basically set to white.
My first oled - 65inch B7 still has ZERO BURN-IN after 6 years of normal day to day usage
My Bravia A8H OLED while I'm gaming automatically shuts off when it doesn't sense any input from me after a few minutes putting my PS5 into safe-mode. Non gaming use the TV will go into a Google slide-show if it senses a static image on screen or no user input after a few minutes. I'm not really concerned as it seems they built-in enough safeguards to prevent burn-in.
My OLED C7 becomes 6 this year. It’s having burn-in thats only visible on fully red, yellow, purple screens. In normal content its invisible, but sometimes during commercials its noticeable. After six years thats okay. I never was very careful with static images on tv and with games. The next tv will be an OLED again!
I have black chrome theme with an extension to black out websites. also have a black wallpaper, icons hidden, have a program that makes taskbar completely black. im trying to use my 27 inch lg 240hz for a while
I have a LG OLED 1080p model from 2015 and it would only have some retention that would go away. A few days ago I watched some old
wrestling pay per views with the black bars left for 8 hours. Now you can see it and it won't go away. You can see them when you look at a
bright still. I have to buy a LCD LED TV and Im looking at the hisense models with close to oled blacks, inky contrast for 1000 bucks.
I know the newer OLED's are better but lots of movie channels I have also have bright yellow logos that stay forever and if I fall asleep
for 12 hours that can risk me killing my TV. Im going with LCD LED which have improved by a lot with 1000 dimming zones and better
response times. OLED it still works but the image is burned in this time instead of temporary ghosting.
My brand new Switch OLED has burn-in, even though I turned down the brightness when I first bought it and set the background to black, and within 2 days it now has a green tinge permanently on the screen.
I remember reading that the oled screens are green tinged, atleast some of them. Hopefully not actual burn in, if that eases your mind a bit!
@@abigaxedwarf7316 Well, I guess it's good to know it isn't burn in, but it’s still irritating to have a mild green-tinged screen because Nintendo doesn't really care about quality checks on their consoles anymore. Thanks for replying though 👍
Way back when I was playing Twilight Princess, I used to worry about burn-in / image retention on my Plasma TV. It was there sometimes after a long session but then would always fade away after watching some other content like movies. I have never had an OLED because of the same concerns. Maybe its not something to be too concerned aboout?
OLEDs exhibit a kind of image retention similar to what plasmas had, and in both cases it is harmless. Image retention is _not_ the same thing as burn-in and is not related to burn-in. Burn-in is no longer a significant issue for OLEDs, in the same way it wasn't a significant issue for plasmas.
You're safe to buy an OLED, op. I started with the E6 from LG and have purchased two more since. All used for gaming, none have any burn-in. To calm you further still, I don't use any of the elective protection. No screen shift, no logo dimming, just the algorithm all people are stuck with. You can buy without worry on the WOLED front. QD-Oled will be on the same page shortly and still requires abuse to get there in its current state.
Literally never heard of OLED burn in until I found this video. I have one of the original top spec LG tvs from when 4K and OLED were the new technology available. And the TV and image quality are still on par with anything new. This TV has gotta be somewhere around 10 years old.
@larryhouse3776 it's because people make mountains out of mole hills when someone abuses a product. I'm in your boat as well. The E6 is 8-9yrs old. This is an issue of neglect that people try to pass off to the manufacturer. The literal equivalent of blaming a car manufacturer when your engine seizes because you never change the oil once.
@@mikew1080what you're saying amounts to "you're holding it wrong" but for oled
My C7 started showing signs of burn in just after 4 years (when my extended warranty I got specifically for OLED burn-in expired). Now it has noticeable burn in on multiple areas of the screen, all exclusively on red pixels. I think the red subpixels were more susceptible before the CX series
Had exactly the same experience with my C7 last year. Red pixels only.
oh man... yes.. that first question, i have a lg b2 and some games do have an always on hud on screen... and i have the same parranoia.. i actually don't play certain games on my tv because of the hud.
I like my tv, i don't want no burn in.. hehe
Is it fine to use oleds for stock trading for about 12 hours a day? If I only intend to keep it for 1 to 2 years?
Uhh, why would you want an OLED for stock trading? You certainly don't need the picture quality, just get a decent office monitor.
My C2 shows some pretty lengthy image retention, i don't think it's burn-in though,. Typically in HDR mode in Win10, Black background, no taskbar or icons, and a fairly unreliable 4 minute screensaver timeout (i don't know why this never seems to work though). I also have the ABL disabled via the LG Service menu. I don't run manual pixel cleaning often, if ever.
I had problems with screensaver not working. All I can say is after a few reboots it started to kick in. If a video is left on, screensaver won't kick in. for example a youtube video window open will prevent screensaver
Just add the “screen off” option to your quick settings. Takes 2 seconds and it turns of all of the pixels off but keeps the TV powered on so you can still listen to music or take bathroom breaks, etc etc. The C2 does an automatic pixel cleaning every 4 hours of an added up power on time, only the big one is manual and that’s every 2000 hours.
@@riddleiddle^
You will for sure get burn in eventually with ABL off
I had some minor retention on my c9 but then it went away. Even then, even it was there it wasn't really noticeable.
My LG CX got burn in on my taskbar plus the DayZ overlay. It does have 11,000 hours but I regret not hiding my taskbar. I reduce DayZ overlay brightness now but the damage is done.
I've had a c2 for about a year as a desktop monitor and had zero issues so far.
It took 4 years for my C8 to start having some mild burn in around the subtitle area that's occasionally noticeable. Otherwise it's doing fine. I wouldn't worry with more recent models.
I can confirm, 4 years seems the right time. My OLED Samsung tablet started to show burn-in after 4 years.
It took 2 years for me. I got full burn in but i played the same game 5 days a week. The whole screen has Apex Legends burned in the entire OLED. It's really bad.
@@Velly2g well, now you're gaming all the time lol
Ew time for a new model.
@@Velly2g🤮
The LG oled panels are the better option, it's rare you're gonna find burn in as they have a lot of feature to prevent it whereas other Oled panels from other companies tend to not have those features, so I'd stick with the LG models.
LG CX 55inch oled owner here 👋 zero burn in since 2021- even with ABL disabled in the service menu. I will say I vary the content most days. The picture quality is superb.
I used my 77" LG Oled CX with my Xbox without worry. Now I am back to Gaming on a PC and did all the precautions like no taskbar, pure black background...but maybe I am being overly paranoid there...🤔
No burn in but I had some serious lining on my CX
i was so worried with my C2, that i took precautions on some games, but i stopped worrying atm.
If it happens probably it wont be as severe as in the past
I have an LG CX I bought in 2020. Out of curiosity I ran an OLED burn in test, on CZcams. It looked good, until I ran the red screen test. The red CZcams logo that appears in right top of screen when using the app appeared faintly. During normal use it doesn't appear. So take that as you will.
I do use the CZcams app a lot on the TV, but certainly that logo isn't there for hours. Also when using the app the screensaver kicks in after 2 minutes if there's no input.
Makes me wish CZcams didn't use that bright red sun on their homepage. Now I'm a bit self conscious about it.
Still, I'd gladly buy another LG OLED. Great TVs.
CX owner here with over 7k hours with most of it in HDR and some movies 0 issues with burn in.
I have a LG C8 its got well over 4k hours on it with zero permeant burn-in. The only game I've seen image retention in was Tony Hawk Pro Skater. I saw the score one time after I switched sources so never played it on that TV again haha.
LEDs for me, for as long as I can. Babying a tv is dumb.
You don't need to babysit the TV you just need to babysit your stupidity. As long as you don't do ignorant shit with your television buying an OLED television would be just fine. So just remember babysit your stupidity.😂
I have an LG C2 and use it however I want. It's my main monitor that I game on sometimes for 14 hours a day. I've taken ZERO precautions and have no issues so far.
tbh theirs been very little burn in mitigation breakthroughs for the last 3-4yrs eg cx and c3 are pretty much the same burn in rate
Only burn in I've ever experienced was with Assassins Creed Valhalla on PS5. It was actually on an LCD screen (not QD/Mini LED). I replaced it shortly after and gave it to my gf, and she uses it to this day to watch shows. When the TV was shut off, you could see the Valhalla HUD at the bottom though, but once the TV was turned on you wouldn't notice. Not sure if it is still there or not, or I haven't noticed in a long time. Maybe it just needed to never display Valhalla again.
No I had a C1 for 3 years and not even close to burn in with PC, PS5 and SX I have had and left static images and no issues.
Question about your mic Richard. I would have thought digital foundry use something a bit more substantial like a sm7b or re20. Does audio matter to you guys as it does for many other channels?
I have 2 OLED's for the last 5 years. Not one issues with burn in or dead pixels. LG and Sony have really improved the tech to where I feel it's safe to pull the trigger on one now. I game on my Sony everyday and it's been totally fine. I also have an LG Ultragear OLED monitor and it doesn't even show image retention let alone burn in and I'm not careful with how I use it besides a screensaver after 5 minutes of use OLED is the way to go even vs MiniLED.
I want one so bad, but I'm so scared that I'll get a dud and have to go through the headache of RMA'ing it. Its kinda ridiculous that this is still even remotely an issue tho, OLED tech is pretty mature at this point.
I have a B9 which is about four years old and I use for around 2 hours a day on average for PC gaming. No burn in detected whatsoever.
Alienwares 3 year warranty on their oleds really helps me pull the trigger.
I have LG CX OLED 65inch had since 2021 and i leave my tv on at night from falling asleep and when gaming i have the same image on for hours if i hav e to do something real quick. Hven't had a burn in issue yet really great tv.
I’ve had my 55 inch LG B9 for a little over 3 years, and even with a conservative estimate of it being on 12 hours a day, that’s 13k hours, and I’ve had 0 issues with burn in
I love my LG CX OLED, but yeah, burn in can be a problem. But eventually, micro LED will be the correct answer when it's cheap enough.
Haven't seen a TV burned in since the CRT days.
Awesome can't wait till I get a C3
I've had burn in with C10 from hours of gaming and i used Pixel Refresher, Screen shift and logo Luminance Adjustment and now the burn is gone.
That's retention and not burn in
55" LG CX, lot of streaming movies and gaming, no burn-in so far.
But a lot of black dead pixels, most of them in the top center of the screen.
Easily the best picture for gaming, but I’ve had 4 OLED TV’s and two OLED phones in 7 years and now I don’t. Just buy one if you game and find out.
changing 4 tvs in 7 years? crazy((
It's still a small issue on LG sets, Panasonic nailed it years ago but it's better recently
At this point in time, OLED burn-in is a non issue, it’s basically impossible with use cases of 99% of people, if you torture test these displays(same for LCD,plasma and CRT) obviously you can burn some parts but nowadays we have some software and hardware measures to counter burn-in and also at least 2 years of warranty, so with MLA WOLED and 2nd gen QD-OLED the problem is non existent, we will see in the next 5 years how QD-OLED and maybe microLED we’ll be (somewhat) affordable.
Already know the answer is yes, they haven't fixed burn in only reduced it.
I have the Alienware QD OLED monitor and I am terrified of burn in. There isn't much on mine that has been going on for about 7 months, but there is definite retention in a 16x9 box in the center from watching videos or shows, or using my PS5 to game.
I still love it, but I'm sad to see it deteriorate. But the good thing is that I do have that warranty to take advantage of later in life
You have 1 life. Live it to the fullest. Fear will wont let you enjoy your screen for even a single second.
To be fair QD OLED is a fairly new technology compared to conventional OLED. Compare the first OLEDs to a modern one and there has been massive improvement. I expect the same with QD OLED.
Dear friend@@456MrPeople
It is not about being old or new,. It's the murderer blue light in quantum dot method.
As you know, quantum dot is not developed for oled... So, unfortunately it does damage oled panels (relatively) faster.
For now, white light is better for oled panels.
Hopefully, things may change in the future...
And this is why I tell people to not get the AW3423DW if you play console. So many do not understand that you can burn in the aspect ratio. I use mine for 21:9 gaming only due to this.
I have the same monitor, used it for work at a 16:9 resolution and yeah, I burned in parts of the taskbar and the entire 16:9 section is slightly discolored. This was approaching 1 year of use. Dell support was really quick though, getting a replacement in less than 2 days. The nice thing I guess with the replacement is I got a monitor with a newer manufacturing date and newer firmware
At that “for science” I got strong Portal vibes 😌
I’ve been using my LG C1 for close to 3 years everyday. Typically 5-8hrs a day of nonstop gaming. No issues as of right now. 🤞🤞🤞🤞
My S22 phone has burn in (battery icons and lower bar) after 18 months, so I do worry how my LG CX will handle it in the long term.
Bought alienware qdled at launch and notice burn in from Windows start menu when loading bars in cyberpunk. Running at full intensity and hdr pretty often, but absolutely poop 😭😭😭
Keep in mind the panels might be more than capable of preventing burn-in, but that prevention is based on the electronics and settings of the manufacturers of the panels. You can't apply your experiences of LG OLED TVs to all these new monitors coming out just because they're using LG panels.
I've burned in 3 phones so i promised myself i would keep my oleds dim from now on. I set my tv to 50-60 for hdr gaming and usually 0-20 on sdr. And the fact that rtings test has shown the C2 to burn in faster than the B2 should raise some eyebrows
There is no fucking way you can use these OLED's as a monitor forever and never have burn in. It may even take 5+ years, but it will happen. The biggest annoyance with OLED is the Auto dimming to prevent burn in