"EXCEEDINGLY GOOD" Speakers Wharfedale Elysian 3 REVIEW
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- In this video I am reviewing the Wharfedale Elysian 3 HiFi speakers, these are Wharfedales new best speakers intended for smaller rooms.
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0:00 Intro
1:25 Elysian 3
4:36 Details
10:29 Bass
13:56 Amplifiers
16:16 Comparison
19:44 Negatives
21:57 Conclusion
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@@user-jp3vl5jx1j Obviously getting that Elysian sound at a lower price would be very welcomed. Any follow ups on the idea of the Elysian 1? I’m stuck between either the mission 770, Aura 2 or Elysian 1.
After decades of audio, the idea of an "end game" audio anything is a cruel joke.
I'm pretty sure I don't have my end game setup, but I managed to get out of the race. At least for now. What happened is that I switched from streaming to CD, by buying a near high end CD-player to go with my separate DAC. The jump up in general sound quality made me feel like "this is it, this is the sound I wanted, my stereo is done". For reference my whole system including panels is about €8k. But yeah, will see how long this last...
I feel for me the End Game Speaker is only one I Love. Which I have. Its nothing special to anyone, but me. Early 70’s Sansui SP-55a. Just a Full Range 7” and a New Horn tweeter worth $50, with a new capacitor for each. Im sure I can get better Cabinets made, and Better tweeters, but the Full Range 7” can reach all Frequencies I need for Music. Tweeter fills the top with sparkle. Sure I might want other speakers, but would I Love them? I hope you find your bliss, an it finds you content.
It's just like chasing the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Or perhaps a dog chasing his own tail
Well this is audio. So end game means a long time, not really forever necessarily though. ✌️
Try Magnepan likely the only affordable end game speaker that hasn’t changed since Harry Pearson said he could downsize to a Maggie from his 3 state of art systems back at Absolute Sound. Start with LRS even pre owned models then upgrade eventually to the 1.7, if your hard core the 3.7. If you’re an audiophile it totally delivers. With the new bass system available you’ll hv a competitive cost no object system on a budget if that means anything as it would eventually be north of usd 10-15k. Best value would be carefully buying pre owned equipment for any reasonable budget.
I've just bought a pair of Elysian 4 to replace my Vivid Giya 2. Now paring with Hegel H30 x 2 Monoblock. Very impressive sounds, very happy with this speaker. Applause to Mr Peter Comeau.
Interesting, I have a lot of respect for vivid audio. What do you like better about the Elysian?
I agree, how can you replace Giya 2 with something 5x less expensive ..? Sorry but Elysian 4 are man-cave speakers, just no finesse and Hegel true mid-fi
The one unarguable thing is that it's a beautiful speakers, thanks for the presentation Terry, high quality always
Great video Terry, always enjoy your content.
Hope you’re well.
I own the Elysian 4 Terry. Absolutely love them.
Very nice !!
I should add, Terry. Your fabulous insightful reviews and general thoughts are always accurate and fair.
Excellent review, as usual. Thank you
Cannot wait for the Ideon Eos review, I’ve been so intrigued by this brand and this model specifically.
Great review 👍 waiting for the Dovedale 😃
I have the Elysian 4 paired with Hegel H390. I picked them after demo-in the Elysian 2 and similarly-priced and more expensive speakers. The Elysian were effortless, had big bass and created that huge "wall of sound" image. Some other speakers I demoed were: Quadral Montan 9, B&W 702 S2, Canton Reference 5K (those had a similar sound), Focal Sopra (the bass was disappointing), Elac Vela BS 403 (small sound), Elac Adante AS-61 (I liked those, big sound but the bass had issues at loud volume).
very nice
the main problem is brands that have good amplifiers but the cost isn´t for all and when buying already expensive litle amplifiers from this brands they are really bad , no wonder when one hears the cheapest receiver made by Pioneer in the 70´s gets amazed by it´s sound ,this new ones are just horrible ,brands like Hegel, Rotel, ,Arcam alpha or cambridge audio, those maky any speakers sound really bad, i´ve tested them since the 80´s till today ,this because i have a friend who owns a hi-fi store and we test most of the amplifiers we listen in the press that they are incredible , but look at the 70´s pre-amplifier from Yamaha the C-1 ,this to give a notion that tone controls or loudness are there so the sound could be improved ,not all have a studio at home ,where they use pefect processors and equalizers with 40 or more frequencies per channel ,direct listening is okay but it would be very expensive to have a system who could work with great sound in direct listening ,i have a early 60´s or late 50´s tube amplifier with two speaklers but this being also very old but were restored in late 70´s and the amplifier had new tubes installed as the ones they had originally, no need for tone controls allthough i found a phono equalizer that i don´t know the brand but having 7 frequencies and a 3 position switch for each frequency, this before there were diamond tip stylus but already at the time converted to a diamond stylus , this must have great sound so when using a old turntable with less good needles it would sound great and i remenber listening to music with my grand father when having only 12 years old, i´m reading coments where systems are described and i´m thinking how much money each spend in a system that would sound doble the quality with very cheap amplidfiers from more comercial brands ,i have a lot of systems from european brands and they couldn´t survive against the cheaper and well built japanese brands but the sound quality it´s above most of the japaneses brands this compared at the same price range ,i remenber a blaupunkt tower that i wouldn´t buy it for looking at it but when playing and recording i was amazed by it´s sound this with some litle speakers that sounded better than a lot of bigger speakers from well known speakers brands ,it´s only a litle square with two litle iron rods and an marble heavy square where they stand ,if i had not test this blaupunkt tower i wouldn´t belive it´s quality ,also schneider, normende, grundig and philips had hi-fi systems that one can´t imagine how good they sound before listening to it
Did you pay full retail price for your amp and speakers?
Looka like a good value
Great review
That's the perfect size for many homes. I find these beautiful, maybe a little bit on the shiny side of neutral, and as in many cases questionable W.A.F. (Gf.A.F.). Thank you once again for the review! More exciting new ranges are coming in with IAG, like that successor of Quad's S-Series of speakers (if I got that right).
Terry, your review and Polo shirt game is strong 💪🏽
Nice honest video as always, you covered this speaker very well. I have the Elysian 4's and use a Felixs Audio Arioso 300B, 8 watt amplifier and have no trouble driving the Elysian 4's with a low powered SET amplifier. I have not noticed them being forward or modern sounding, maybe that's because of the 300B SET, either way, they are a great speaker and I agree with your comments about the mids and upper frequencies, however on the 4's the base is very tight and deep too. I think the 3's are very similar when I heard them in a much more room friendly package and agree they are a very good buy for the money. Quality is second to none, don't care where it is made as long as it is made well, those complaining about foreign products, need to look at quality and costs in their own country. Might have been a good idea to show the other colour options, some one said these were ugly, I hate to think what they think of as beautiful then, to my eyes these are wonder full, mine are the Walnut finish which is just glorious. Please keep producing your great reviews.
Excellent
Great review. I'd be interested to hear how the new Wharfedale Aura range compares, as it sits between Evo and Elysian.
I hope you get the chance to review those!
Absolutely stunning finish! Are there any more exquisite speakers than these (and anything from Sonus Faber) ?
I was excited to hear your thoughts after reviewing these Terry. I wasn't expecting you to say that they have that slight edge to them. Maybe it is like you say because they are in a smaller enclosure. Thomas and Stereo reviewed the Elysian 4's and I got the impression from him that they were too relaxed for him - but he's particularly fond of Focal which kind of puts things in perspective. My own EVO 4.3's took forever to burn in, so maybe with a little longer run-in time the Elysian 3's might lose their "edginess"? Thanks as always for an excellent review!
Thanks, just to clarify, I think some "edginess" would be different to what I was referring to, I said they have an edge by that I mean they have the knack off keeping you actively listening. Edginess I think would be an indication of some kind of distortion or flaw
I hope you can review the new quad revela 1 or 2s soon.
I thoroughly enjoyed your review, very revealing insight. I wonder if you would consider the Elysian 2 to review. a stand mount with deeper cabinets. I would like to add that yourself ,John Darko and Steve Guttenberg seem to me to be a trinity of must see reviewers for reliable balanced unbiased opinions.
Thanks very much I will see if I get the opportunity
Please review the amphion argon 7ls. I think it will hit a lot of your sweet spots
Great video! Any Drum & Bass producers you recommend or your top 5? Cheers!
How about the Wharfedale Elysian 4 and the Elysian 2 bookshelf and the centre C Elysian Speaker. Gorgeous looking speakers.
I’m new here, and I bet you guys discuss this a lot, but are there any reviews on here as to what full system to buy each year (as I guess it changes) in each price range?
I’m currently running a denon AVx3700 with focal stand mount main speakers, focal centre speaker and single focal sub (what can I say - I’m based in France), and tend to play music mostly from a large collection the iPhone (which I don’t feel I can easily shift or match elsewhere), also from a denon Blu-ray player, and from CZcams……and I love that I can switch on and control everything from my TV remote. All come on in one click. I know, I’m a philistine. But I’m in a very bare, rectangular tiled, hard wall and ceiling room, about 8m wide by 4.5m deep and an old house that I don’t want to fill walls with high tech sound control…… and my current set up sounds nice, and can fill the room quite well, but it’s too fatiguing at the top, really misses some liveliness in the mid range and some detail at the lower end, even misses some notes altogether, such as the lower bass line of Floyds “echoes”..
I’m trying not to get too hooked on the idea of a set of KEF ref3 floor standing, but still love the design of them……. So if I were spending €15k, €20k or €25k…….what should I get? And do I need a streamer to somehow improve my input?
If you were me, what would you get?
Awesome Terry, im reassured by your review they will rock out and not be polite, they look that way huh? Hopefully you get sent the 4s to review. Are the ring surrounds chrome around each driver? I cant tell or if theyre white? Cheers
Would have been nice to see a frequency response graph.
You are after all a "dirac live calibrator". Please indulgent us with this much apreciate and crucial piece of information. Great review as always. Keep it up!!
Thx
I stopped using Dirac live for speaker reviews because I can make them all sound too good and better than they should so it’s not a fair situation.
If i was keeping the system I would use Dirac live for sure to get the best sound in my room.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Very nice remark about Dirac ! Still, can you please provide the frequency response graph for the speakers you review from now on? for me, and i dare to think for many of us watching and searching for reviews, it is a much appreciated and crucial information that sometimes we can't find anywhere. Thank you
Looks great for the money!!!
Hy Terry. Thanks for your review of the Elysian 3 . There are not a lot of reviews of the 3 and in shop near I live I can hear only the Elysian 4.
2 questions: Did you have the chance to compare the Elysian 3 to the 4? Do you have heard the Canton Reference 5 against the Elysian's?
Thanks
René
Hi Terry, How does this Elysians compare to Marten oscar/parker series in terms of sound quality?
nice set up but those woofers if well fed it would be the most heard sound , the wharfedale speakers might have a great sound ,it would be nice to hear them in reality, i use to buy wharfedale speakers by being ,normally so well built and good sounding
Speaks volumes for the other components in the chain
I tested a number of different components to make sure what I was hearing was the speakers and not the system if that makes sense
I have EVO 4.2's and love them. Talk about punching above a price point, the EVO's do that in spades. I adore the magic combination of the AMT tweeter and the soft-dome mid on the EVO, I think it is thier defining characteristic.
How would you compare the sound of the EVO vs the Elysian?
I have the EVO 4.2, there some similarities but there is no comparison really the Elysian sound clearer more dynamic and open the window onto the music far more - but as I talk about the upgrade path becomes an easy and obvious one from the EVO range
Would really appreciate a video review of the Aura 2
To be honest I would probably do the 4 and not 2 as I am focusing on larger speakers at the moment
That would be great.....still in the Aura line .....truly love your video reviews......and yes I read your review on the Aura 2.....lol!
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Not commenting on this review but still Wharfedale....when do you expect to do a review on the Aura series. I have the evo 2s and am thinking of upgrading to the Aura 2......can't find any in depth reviews . You always do a great job! Thanks
I've did A-B test of Aura 4 and Elysian 4. For doubt for me, the Elysian 4 wins. I ended up buying them even if it's way beyond my budget.
The veneer is comparable with the veneer Bentley uses in their cars. Its stunning. The veneer is one of the reasons for buying Elysian series speakers.
Terry, I’d like to see you compare these to the Monitor Audio Gold 200 or 300.
It would be a platinum comparison not Gold for it to be fair. Gold are less than half the price
@@PursuitPerfectSystem That might true in England, but not in the U.S., where the Golds would be comparable in price.
Wow I didnt know that, I see why you suggested this now. Is also supports my point about Wharfedale trying to offer better value. Interesting
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Yes. And, I know from firsthand experience. I just bought a pair of Gold 300s for $9500, which is the regular price here. They are spectacular in letting you hear into the music, and the bass is so good that some people would not even think about a subwoofer.
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Great as always but really miss your measurements.
Yeah I get that :)
I’ve watched a few reviews on these and they seem to be great speakers for music. How would they work as a home theater speaker sitting behind an acoustically transparent screen?
Gorgeous speakers, but for $8,500 it's a shame they aren't actually made in the UK. But even then I would love to own them. Nice review.
Please compare to GoldenearT66. Terrific review many thanks
Also what is recommended max room size
Best to ask Wharfedale questions like that
How do they compare with the Focal Aria 936 or Focal Aria 948?
What about compared to Focals Kanta 2s which would be in the same tier and size?
Dont know sorry never heard them and dont have them here
How you measuring that 6 inch mid-range, are you counting the outer edge of the soound, or the inner edge of the surround, because you should take the inner edge of the surround as the measurement. Need an amplifier that can go down to 2 ohms or better 1.5 ohms to drive 2.3ohms what are you talking about with drum and bass is because you need the amplifier to get down low in its impedance
I didn't measure it, I used the info the manufacturer published
Yes manufacturers are a bit naughty on and their measurements, could you not measure it with tape measure or rule and get back to me! A better amplifier would be the fezzaudio KT 150 has much stronger bass control then the gallon, and gorgeous midraine and beautiful detailed treble, you should reach out to them they might send you one! A good amplifier for that speaker would be the Wolfdale pro CPD 1600 350£ and running that with the music fidelity new A1 should work well@@PursuitPerfectSystem
wow that gloss finish. 🤌
Yeah its nice
Interesting. The CSS use top quality crossover and the Elysian does not. So I ask you where is the money best spent in clear sounding speakers, the driver build, the cabinet build or the crossover parts?
Can you comment on the Elysian 3 vs the Elysian 2. To me, the 2 seems like the better choice as the cabinet has heft where it counts and the bass driver is large. Any thoughts on how these two compare?
Sorry I haven't listened to the Elysian 2 to say anything about it
What are the room dimensions?
i listen to a lot of electronic / drum n bass. I don't think ive ever come across any speaker setup that wouldn't benefit an additional subwoofer for that genre of music.
I watch a lot of reviews of hifi and you often hear "large / medium / small" when describing room size. how big is a large room exactly? 20sqm?
You make some great points, acoustically everyones rooms is small that is something to think about. For me a small room is what I have a typical UK small home room dimensions 16ft long 12.5 feet wide and 8 and a bit feet high. Some people here in the UK have much much larger rooms than that I visit all manner of homes in my calibration work.
Yep I am in the UK.. ok so in old money im 15ft x 15ft and a 9ft high ceiling that's possibly a small to medium sized?
i was actually in the market for the elysian 4s. however i think i might be better off with the 3s. Im not going to bite the bullet till i see reviews on the Auras.. You help me a lot!
I purchased a pair of EVO 4.4s based on multiple reviews I read. These speakers did not move me and I traded them in. These were not solid, did not pass the knock test, I tried to like the AMT but could never loved it. I did not appreciate the fragile mid bass.
That’s why it’s important to listen first
@@PursuitPerfectSystemAgreed, Terry. However, this is becoming increasingly difficult due to the lack of physical retailers meaning that there is an increasing dependency on reviews. That said, a good retailer should offer a returns policy because of the subjective nature of selecting components and how they work with the other parts of the system.
Would these be good in a small listening room (like 11ft x 12ft) and do you think they would match well with a Luxman L-505uX Mark II integrated amp?
Yes I think so on both accounts
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What about the bass?? Two large woofers suggest solid bass. I’m half way through but no mention yet about the bass…ok now it comes. Sitting next to the REL … does it need it? Sometimes…
There is a whole section of the review dedicated to bass
Do you think Hegel H190 will be a good fit to Elysian 3?
Yes I think it would be pretty good, but that is a guess as I haven't tested it
Is the price per pair or per piece? That makes a huge difference
For a pair, had it been each I would have said that as its more of a pro thing to sell speakers individually - just for future reference for my videos
@@PursuitPerfectSystem just as I thought Asking because (online) stores usually set the price of floorstanders per piece
Interesting I have only seen that occasionally for hifi speakers, I thought when a dealer just had a random one for some reason. Interesting thanks
I think the individual price is an American thing? Speakers are typically sold in pairs in Australia at least.
@@Z4d0k in europe some show price per piece
I wonder how they would sound with the NAD M10, 23 or 33
M23 ok , M10 I dont think would be good enough
this or sonus faber serafino g2 ?🤔
I couldn’t afford the serafino so it would be an easy answer for me :)
? Kanta no3 comparison?
I had the Elysian 2 for a while, and unfortunately, they didn't impress me at all. Also, they're unnecessarily big.
and what did you get after ?
Big? I just bought a pair of Heco celan 9 and they are 1.27m high, those 1.05 m so😅. Just kidding, its a matter of taste😊
I have the Elysian 2 as well, and with good positioning and good sources (Musical Fidelity Nu Vista 600 amp, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE dac) they sound great. What gear did you use the E2 with? Room treatment, size room?
@@kolgrillarn "unnecessarily big". Elysian 2 supposed to be a bookshelf speakers 🫣
@@larsv6144 I played them with my Arcam AVR20 as well as Lyngdorf power amp 400W in 4ohm, Eversolo DMP A6 and Denafrips Ares II as a source. I really wanted to like them but to me they were average at best.
Were Mr Kipling to ever make speakers!
Yay someone got it :)
😂 If these speakers were a cake, what would they be?@@PursuitPerfectSystem
@@shemsureshot one that would make me even fatter :)
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Prohibited dream !
Honestly they look like a steal for $8500.
The value you keep harping on comes from their being manufactured in China, not because of any generosity on Whardale's part.
Maybe yes but so are Monitor Audio speakers and I am sure others too.
"Wife approval?" I'm the sigma and it is my way or the highway. That being said, I keep my main system in my man cave and just have Mirage OM-9s in the livingroom as the Misses loves them. Guess where I hang out?
They're so tiny ! They wouldn't stand a chance against my Elysian 4s in a fight. If they were at the beach they would get sand kicked in their face and then the Elysian 4s would nick their ice cream.
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First
Still too big for me.
made in china tag is not quite in focus....😁
Funny, first thing I noticed as well.
Wow are those ugly..............
Can you imagine a table, kitchen cabinets or a chest of drawers with that shiny yellowing veneer?
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Under normal lighting conditions the veneer and finish look much more subdued, I am putting them under pretty extreme lighting conditions and then I choose to make my videos strong in colour and contrast, which is a personal style choice. Defo take that into account.
They don’t look yellow like that in real life.
Also I am intrigued to know where you are seeing yellow on the speakers? I know my video colours are not perfect but I am not seeing yellow?
If your watching using an Apple device with True Tone engaged that can heavily yellow the image I always disable it
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Colour grading in the video is a bit yellow/orange. It is apparent in your skin tone. Not sure if it’s colour temperature overall or just the yellow/orange colours. I do a lot of photo editing so my assessment can be taken as correct. No big deal though. The speakers are a light timber tone in real life but just not quite as yellow toned as the video suggests.
I agree and thanks for the tip re the colour, I do feel like I am inching closer each video to producing images that are really very good in my own style. I feel like I am moving in the right direction
EXCEEDINGLY GOOD" Speakers maybe but definitely not value for money, silly money massive profits being made here.
If you lived with these speakers and listened to them everyday for 20 years then for what they cost it’s value for money. What’s happens with cheaper speakers generally is people change them more often as they seek out better speakers that solve the flaws. Value for money is not what something costs it’s how long you own it for and how much you use and enjoy it that time.