Paddle Clones, Ball Machines, and PPA Copyright Claims
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2024
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:50 - Paddle clones
9:47 - PPA copyright claims my gold medal match
13:38 - Slinger ball machine thoughts
19:58 - Questions and answers
20:08 - Zane’s new grit
22:22 - Where should I place lead tape?
24:28 - Do you ever play APP events?
25:19 - Have you been close to switching from the DBD?
26:40 - Best paddles for Tennis elbow
28:01 - Do you still get tournament jitters?
29:08 - What would you change if you could start over?
30:09 - What are your thoughts on longevity of paddles?
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We have informed the company not to claim any amateur content, as any video featuring our logo is automatically flagged by CZcams. Claiming a video is straightforward if our trademark logo appears in the background, as CZcams provides us with a preview for claiming purposes. While we encourage amateurs to record and post, occasionally videos slip through the cracks. I have already spoken with Chris about this issue, and I apologize once again, Chris. I appreciate that you had my contact information to reach out. We strive to prevent such incidents in the future, although we may inadvertently miss something from time to time. We have numerous channels attempting to post our stream and grow their following, and we are grateful for your participation in our tournament. Additionally, we value your contribution to advancing the sport. Personally, I have been following your content for a year and find it to be exceptional.
I didn't know CZcams would catch a logo. I have my ways to mess with audio. I guess some video editing to blur a logo would work.
Hello @PPAtour
Just curious… do you claim videos on channels that attempt to post highlights or best moments from various tournaments? Because I love watching those and I think it helps grow the sport and promote the PPA. Especially if the video is crediting you, the PPA, somewhere during the video/in the description. Overall, I think it would be a win-win situation for everybody. More eyeballs on the sport-more eyeballs on the PPA-more people attending PPA events-etc. Just curious what the PPA’s stance on this is. Thank you!
PPA or whatever company they are using needs to calm down with the copyright claims, PPA should be thanking us for posting for them quite honestly 😏
Yup.
Way to ruin the push in popularizing the sport.
What?! You can’t post your own video from the ppa tournament? That’s absolutely recockulous. Exactly what Will said, they should be happy y’all posting a game for them. That makes me not want to play in a PPA event ever.
💯😡
Ahhhh another reason to dislike the PPA
PPA is a huge scam. Anyone who has played a PPA event feels Uber ripped off
Prokennex paddles absolutely helped my tennis elbow. I went from not being able to play more than two games to being able to play two hours again and not be set back.
Yeah, Chris. The raw game play is really great to watch. Especially with so many viewers trusting your judgement and becoming a “go to” partner. They want to see you do well in the game.
Looking forward to having Briones breaking down the match. Hope it comes to fruition!
And we need a Diadem Edge 18k Review!
Some per unit sales costs
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$XX fulfillment costs
3-5% return/refund costs per unit
Shipping to your fulfillment per unit $5
Amazon is much more expensive
Overheads (all has to go into your per unit costs)
Startup / mold costs (big range here)
Business licenses and bond (Per state you have a nexus in) - yearly
Marketing - Google Ads words, CZcams marketing, etc.
Employee costs
Insurance
Taxes
Shopify monthly costs, Mailchimp monthly costs, etc.
Then, a ton of small things that just add up
Dispute copyright claims. They have to respond with proof and that is a lot of work for them. You usually win.
Slinger bag also comes with an oscillator, and cell phone holder to record yourself. (It attaches to the handle)
Chris- I would contact them about your remote, because mine works great from across the court every time.
Mine doesn't, but slinger is by far the best deal compared to other machines
Hey Chris, appreciate you sharing your insights on a variety of topics. Keep up the good work.
SUCH a good point about the grit. Having the ability to change our peel ply would be amazing! I think that’s the future.
Played with Will in Hawaii yesterday...saw the batman live
The lead tape answer is good and helps me, I asked about this the other day and it helped me, Thanks PB Studio :3
Good paddle recommendations, I ordered the Mach 1 volair (fantastic packaging with this company) using your code and it’s very similar to dbl blk diamond, I added weight and it’s top notch paddle now. Thanks
Kiwi labs posted a video where they break down the costs on manufacturing paddles and the costs people are not aware of. The profit is a lot lower than most people assume.
Great episode, Chris! Totally agree with your comments on tennis elbow. I started getting very minor discomfort a while back, and immediately focused on strengthening and stretching my right arm. Also use the FlexBar for eccentric strengthening, this massage thing that squeezes my arm, and a massage gun. I did wear the strap that Jill Braverman wears for a while, and that seemed to help, but have gotten lazy since I've been doing all that and not been putting it on and it's been fine.
As for ball machines, you mentioned the Erne and Spinshot, and I ended up getting the Erne (also had a Tudor I got 2nd hand), and LOVE it!!! The app and remote on it is the BIG difference that I find makes using the machine enjoyable. I was tired of having to run back and forth and waste balls trying to get the adjustments just right on my Tudor, that I ended up not using it much. But with my Erne, using the app to change shots, drills, and make tweaks to the settings is awesome--and then using the remote to start and stop the throwing is small enough to keep in my pocket. This makes the difference in wanting to use it. It is heavy, so transporting it can be a challenge, but I'm the coach at our wellness center so I have the luxury of keeping it in the storage area. Someone may need one of those small ramps to wheel it up into the car if they had to bring it from home.
Finally, great seeing you and meeting you in person in Kansas City!!! Thanks for chatting with me there.
Such a great content pod Chris. Ticked so many boxes. On the "peel ply" method, is heat and pressure used to get the "impression" into the face? The re-appliable grit idea is great. seems like someone can come up with this. Like the "delam" your paddle guy online did. The RONBUS logo is "flaccid"🤣
4.5 player... Used the Vatic Pro V7 for 7 months straight. Similar to the CRBN 1X I was totally seduced by the power. I was a drive/drop player with solid volleys (30 years of tennis). I decided to move up in play my kitchen game needed to go to another level. I purchased the 60 DBD. OMG, I felt like I could throw the ball any place in the kitchen... the control was that good. I stuck with the DBD for 45 days and decided it was too much of a wet noddle on blocks and punch shots. The sweet spot was small and off-center hits were limping over the net. I turned to the Vatic Pro Prism.. OMG... very close to the same touch as the DBD (15% less power than the V7) but it is still extremely solid on blocks and punches. The Flash is simply too light... The Prism with the classic rectangle 16 1/2" long paddle weighs closer to 8.4 oz and is even balanced. Kitchen game is so much better and this paddle still has put away power.
I made it to the kitchen, if the kitchen was the instagram questions. I appreciate the information on the ball machines, because I was looking into getting one. Have a wonderful day, Chris.
We feel your pain on the ridiculous copyright claims from PPA. It is getting out of hand and is costing content creators a lot of money due to unjustified copyright claims! -Webby
I just put a comment in your video to reach out.
Do you think playing outdoors in colder weather can cause the core to breakdown? I play with and Power Air and have noticed it does not play well outdoors in the colder weather in Northern California (this is no where near as cold as MN).
Love your mini rant on paddles and paddle companies.
You can actually get used to slowly diminishing spin where you play your best with a certain amount of grit. Then a few weeks later a fall off in performance. Then when you switch to a new paddle it feels slightly off for awhile until you adjust once again.
Thx, love your content, just a request, there are recreational players who watch your videos, can you cover low end cheap paddles reviews and sometimes non pro stuff.
Totally agree with you about the use of ball machines. I purchased one over a year ago and seldom use it because of the inconvenience going to public courts. I do and would much prefer drilling off a wall. To anyone thinking of buying one I suggest barrowing or renting one first and taking it to where you would most likely use it the most.
My paddles usually only last about a month because of my overheads. I'm playing at 4.0 level right now, are there any paddles that truly can withstand power? I have crushed Vatic V7, Diadem Warrior, Ace Spade twice (one after a week), Ace Club twice (one on the first day, other after a week), and my 6.0 DBD has minimal crushing after a few days. I have received replacements for my paddles (mostly) but I want something that can actually withstand my put-away power
I never felt paddle choice had much to do with TE until I made the switch to 360 wrapped thermoformed paddles back in April. I started to feel a little elbow discomfort but ignored it like an idiot. Then at Diamond Regionals it starts getting worse and worse and by the time the semi-finals rolled around I couldn't even hit a one-handed backhand block without a lot of pain. In over 35 years of racket sports and golf I'd never gotten tennis elbow from playing either. I'm now playing RCF paddles that are only edge foamed and it makes a huge difference for my elbow. I'm positive that extra stiffness of the 360 TF'ed paddles is what led to my TE.
I have been wanting to order a 3.5 at best shirt from your site but it has no size chart determination link. If I am an average to above average athletic guy who is 5'6 and about 160 pounds, what size would you recommend for a relaxed fit?
Please review that Ballista soon! We need you lol😊
Companies also have many other expenses; insurance, legal, accounting, rent, research, marketing, reserves, equipment, etc.
The only thing you can’t really replicate at all off a drill wall is practicing against underspin. Everything comes back topspin. With a basket of balls practicing resets and hand battles are doable although not on the level of a practice partner. Although the wall will always keep up and have the last laugh.
Can you review ProKennex ProFlight (traditional shape) and compare it to, say Vatic Prism Flash, or other traditional Gen 2 carbon fiber paddle? Jon H. Bothell, WA
There is also research, design, development, pilot manufacturing, and testing costs before a product is even ready to scale up for market. Companies that just "clone" products are just manufacturing something that someone else has invested in developing.
I got my Slingerbag about a month ago and really enjoy it. I think it's great value for the money. I am able to practice drops, drives and dinks. Only downside is no memory to save settings. I got it on sale for $795, including the oscillator. If you are looking for a practice partner machine, I highly suggest it.
Agreed on the pickleball elbow 💪🏽
i have the Simon2...it is nice...it isn't a total pain to use it but I could see someone getting annoyed in using it....the containment of the 100 balls is the hardest part which I use a cardboard box since the ball caddie only holds 40-45 balls
Any discount codes for the Slingerbag?! Thanks for the info.
I don't have any unfortunately.
DHAWKS
The APP is smiling while watching this video! Lol the subtle threats got me dying
Chris, you should reach out and ask Team Hanlon Pickleball. They post a lot of PPA event tournaments that they participate in.
Watched your gold medal match. Would love to see real stats on it. To my untrained eye, it looked like you were carrying Will. Don't tell Will I said that.
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Where can we watch it ?
CZcams
how many paddle companies have true R&D?
Chris, you have seen the manufacturer process to thermoform or attach the CF faces to the honeycomb core. It's not simple.
How do you think people are going to do that properly at home. With no air gaps and we'll adhered? And how cheap do you imagine 2 new faces would be?
I can't imagine you would save enough money to make it worth having a janky DIY paddle repair rather than a new one. I just don't understand why people obsess over this replacement paddle face idea It seems nuts
There's already several companies working on this. It's much simpler than you think it is.
At least, for the end user.
Also, don’t forget the cost of returns/replacements. I bought 1 crbn paddle and it’s been replaced twice due to delaminating, with free shipping each time. CRBN has probably made zero $ on my purchase.
Xspax has a clone for $74
This was a 1.0 / 1.5 podcast on my area. 🤪🤪🤪
Congrats on making the finals of the KC Tourn!! Are you aware that the PPA is not providing the results of their tournaments to DUPR? Hence you will get no points to help your DUPR rating unless you can find a work-around. This is one way the billionaire conflict over PB is impacting ordinary players. Good Luck!
My IG question made it! 🥳
I really liked the more concise format.
100% agree regarding the paddle clones. That said, I’m hoping you take a look at the Maverix Havic-16. It is DIFFERENT! Fantastic thermo paddle with perfect balance of control and power (of course, to me), but it’s shape makes it more maneuverable than most 16mm paddles. Love it and would love to know your thoughts
Xspax has a crbn clone for $74
Let me throw in a paddle review suggestion. Please review the Pickelball Apes Pro Line Energy. It has some new materials that separate it from the rest of the pack. Just got mine over the weekend and have only used it once. Loads of power when you hit the sweet spot and a better control feel then my LP. I don't use a 2 handed backhand but love the longer handle.
Yeah I agree. I tried one… then ordered 3 that night. Got them last week. So much power, pop and spin. Better than DBD imo. They’re softer too so I’m not getting the reverberation up my arm which was giving me tendinitis. I had to put a full grip on top to increase the grip size, but apart from that, they feel like a rocket ship compared to the Selkirk I was using.
I hope your PLE works for you. I found it to be solid but returned mine after several hours of drills and some play. I saw zero benefit in power or control over my customized Vatic Pro V7 16mm. I have had several picklers try my set up, 2 switched from DBD and Selkirk Invicta, others upgraded to. I didn't care for the false measurements, as mine was shorter and narrower by 1/4"in both directions. Play well.
what’s your setup?
@bippie999 None yet other than an overgrip. Handle was a little too small for my liking. Hand seemed to be better then with my LP. Was ripping some backhands.
@@robbyd1140 how did you customize your Vatic Pro?
I wish that would let you order multiple paddles at a time at a lower price. As well as try to send similar weighted paddles.
For racquets, many tennis retailers will do "racquet matching" when you buy more than one. Static weight matching is usually free. If you want them to match swingweight (they add lead and measure SW with a machine) they'll charge a fee.
@terraXR but do they give you a substantial discount
@@DaddyDinksAllDay Typically no. Popular tennis racquets often go on sale at the end of the season so you can buy two then. But selection isn't as great as spring/summer. End of the season is when the US Open happens which is now (last slam tournament). For PB, there isn't really a "season" that retailers can sync sales to AFAIK. Anyways, with paddle margins as low as what Chris mentioned plus existing ambassador discounts, where's the motivation/ability to provide an additional substantial discount?
Speaking of the US Open, now that both Jack Sock and John Isner officially retired last week at the tournament, it'll be interesting to see whether they get more serious about PB.
if you're prototyping a paddle that's a separate cost analyses/ breakdown. for example you wouldn't make a mold, you also wouldn't have it USPPA approved. sure further down the line when you know you have something but $3000 isn't that much.
On the claimed video, who did the recording? If you or one of your friends recorded it then the claim is bogus. But if they recorded the video I think they have a case unfortunately.
I just setup my tripod in the back corner and filmed it myself.
@@PickleballStudio then I don’t see how they can claim your video. I hope you prevail with CZcams. Whether you do or not I’d complain to the PPA about the company who did the claim. I was at a tournament last week and complained to the PPA about some egregious behavior by people representing, but not employed by, the PPA and they shut it right down. I got the impression they don’t want disgruntled fans.
Ya, fight this on principle--that company has no right to your content, and doing nothing allows them to keep doing this
Do you have a referral code for slinger ?
I don’t unfortunately
DHAWKS
@Chris, PPA invited me to the underground to watch the top pros playing, I specifically asked them if I could record and publish some games.
After a week, they strike my channel twice😮. Be careful with them.
Seems like PPA keeps doing shady things. Saw the recent Zane video where he mentioned the lack of trust players have for PPA. Maybe it's good that they seem to be losing the tour war with MLP.
I have purchased multiple paddles from Alibaba and let me tell you these companies are making ridiculous money on these paddles. A lot of the brand name paddles come out of the same factory and play exactly like the Alibaba paddles that I have purchased. I have played a lot of them back to back and can not tell the difference. If you say these companies are not making ridiculous amounts of money is very very inaccurate. These low tech items sell for the same price as a high tech tennis racquet. What do you think costs way more to produce?
why did they copyright it? its your video isnt it?
Don't hold back Chris...name names. Which company's are cloning?
I own a Lobster and used it to solve the problems I was having with dinking balls when playing against higher ranked players. I set the Lobster with back spin or with top spin and was able to significantly improve my game and safety on these shots.
It's cool when there are two of you, one playing and the other constantly refilling the balls. I use the ball machine from time to time to practice individual strokes in our training group. Two players can practice in turn. This can help identify specific problems with the players and give them tips that they can try to implement immediately.
But I definitely agree that a ball machine can't replace a good partner and to be honest, picking up the balls is a bit annoying. 😆
Also buying a Lobster without remote control and charger is quite cheap. Ordering with standard charger and standard remote control means nearly 50% more in price. When I saw the charger I recognized that it was not worth it...
Any pro players use the DBD?
Jaume
To help the acceptance and development of the sport, I think the officials need to start adopting some form of EVA FOAM paddles and balls. (noise and body injury reduction)
Could switch to the kids tennis ball (that foamy one that always sounds good when you hit it)
Probably be more injuries
Body injury reduction? Nope. You can beam lasers with those cannons.
you do all the work to upload the video and some company claims the rights...what a money grab