Impressive! Reminds me... being old... when I was very young growing up in Europe I had the impression to be surrounded by primitive peoples. Then I saw some photos of Indian temples and palaces... and I knew this was not true as these were more masterful than anything we have in Europe. Later I saw more brilliant achievements of all kinds and from just about anywhere.... And as far as India is concerned we still don't know the half of it. That should be obvious from what is expounded here. Impressive!
You find it great but think how indians would react to it because our leftist framed our history and named these mythologies it is our culture i am proud of it but it is disheartening that in india european scientists,philosophers etc are shown as great and their theories as only truth that exists
There is a temple in Ellora caves , its carved out from a single rock. Sometimes i think why build a temple in a desolate place for 122 years just in the name of god. There must be something else. Because these carvers they don't take credit there are no mentions of the carvers and engineers who made the temple construction possible.
He is brilliant. I am embarrassed that my eyes are moist with elation I have inherited so much from my forefathers. I feel pride we Indians have Rajiv Malhotra and Nilesh Oak. Thank you so much Srijan !
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I am one of those desperately trying to fix chronological dates to RAMAYAN & MAHABHARATH & even earlier,from that standpoint this lecture & Q&A SESSION was very illuminating,enlightening & educative, SPECIAL THANKS TO SRI. Nilesh Nilkanth Oak.......
Man, I am just blown away by the quality of the discussion, presented arguments, depth, and details of his explorations. Thank you for being a Kramayogi and Gyanyogi...
Remember, it's not ours(Bhartiya) history, it was always theirs(Marxist & Nehru Congress) history. Just a simple Question: How Mongols turned to be called as Mughals in NCERT textbooks, leading to a absolutely false identity of their ancestry among present Muslim population? This was a British creation to divide and rule entire South Asia, continued by regimes in post-independence India. And you know the greatest victim of Mongol invasion are none else than Muslims of present South Asia, ironically they feel proud of calling Mongols/Mughals as their ancestors.
I think this is extremely meticulous work, no words can be enough. It needs lot of work. How do one start getting this knowledge as it looks like it take decades to assimilate such information.
Bharat's history /real should be known by 135+ crore people as they are telling stories/propaganda /illogical information...Jai Bharat!!! Very Good Work!!!
This is amazing. I am just in awe. The intellect, the breadth and depth of the presentation and the implications of what is being said are mind-blowing. To answer the last point of why it's important, my feeling is that it speaks to our identity and if we don't define it someone else will and that definition will not be to our liking -- as has been the case in our recent history. I hope these ideas get incorporated in our textbooks in India and elsewhere.
Too often Indians, including the highly educated ones, take this line: ‘Just forget about the past and get on with living the future’. Unfortunately, this very same line is repeated by those disenfranchised from their land and presently live as suppressed classes, ref: Native Americans, Australian aborigines, Maories, you name them. Europeans hold no such notion of allowing anyone the leisure of forgetting anything. Jews, Polish, Armenians, Irish, French etc. Only Indians think they have this right. Firstly everything has a chronology, whether Sport, Science, Music, Maths or Art; a history of its development to where we are today. Secondly last week I was in my car listening to an interview on radio4, It was on the politics of Ireland, Northern Ireland and GB, I caught the show in the middle, it had already begun. The interviewer asked one of her panel ‘Well look, I’m sure many people would be asking, why can’t we just forget the whole thing and move on?’ The Professor replied ‘Well that would be like erecting a memorial and then electing to forget where we put it.
What a poor argument. While you were living in the past, you aimed for future. What makes you think we won't aim for future in the present. Also, we dont live in the past, but we must accustom with living in the future. Evolve or Perish
@@ghazifilms5933 Being mindful of historic events does not imply one lives in the past. If history is so unimportant i suggest you ask for its removal from your national curriculum. Moreover if it were so irrelevant it would make no sense for those involved in retelling it in novel narratives to spend so much time, money and effort to contort it to suit agendas or would it? After all, in which case we might as well all be reading a jack and the beanstalk fairytale for light bedtime entertainment instead. A person who has lost their personal history is in a state of dementia, these have no future. A country with no sense of history has similarly no sense of identity. Your History has made you who you are and placed you where you are. I also hope you noticed that at no point was any reference made towards the quality of your argument, poor or otherwise. If you wish to counter an argument you make a point. Judgemental statements of poor arguments prove nothing.
@@ivarhakuse8572other person quote you wrong. Probably didn't get what u mean. History is important to understand past and perhaps our understanding of our own evolution was wrong. Science is seeking nothing wrong going behind history but some indians continue to live in that glory which doesn't make sense.
@@dontbefooledbyjumla7869 In the classroom, performance by pupils with healthy self esteem is different to those with poor self esteem. Your past often dictates your present sense of self estimation. This does not mean these are lost causes but they need a lot of reminding of their successes and strengths.
I AM AMAZED SUCH INDIVIDUALS EXIST IN HINDUS AND HE (THEY) IS /ARE NOT CELEBRITIES.LIKE OF MR, RAJIVJI.MEHLOTRA DR VEDAM AND MANY OTHERS.HATS OFF/ PRANAM.WONDERING HE IS INVITEE TO IITs ,BARC,TIFR,IISCs OR NOT.HE WAS IN RMs GUEST IN IITM
some generation or may be every generation makes their effort to research ancient mythology/history but someone needs to do this and i guess Nilkanth has really dedicated time, effort and all the beauty to tie many facets together to almost make it so believable! And history to be ratified as "true" is truly excitement!
4 tusked elephants (Gomphothere) remains are common at South American Paleo-indian sites. Examples include the early human settlement at Monte Verde, Chile, dating to approximately 14,000 years ago, and the Altiplano Cundiboyacense (Tibitó, 11,740 BP) and the Valle del Magdalena of Colombia. In 2011, remains dating between 10,600 and 11,600 years ago were also found in the El Fin del Mundo (End of the World) site in Sonora, Mexico's Clovis location - the first time such an association was found in a northern part of the continent where gomphotheres had been thought to have gone extinct 30,000 years ago. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gomphothere
Yes. Good stuff and thank you. Yet, folks who lack scientific acumen and logical reasoning are stuck in 9 million years ago for Ramayana, only because 4 tusked elephants also existed then.
I am amazed people are asking many irrelevant questions to a presentation that was so mathematical(I mean facts) in nature. If people had asked so many questions regarding the distorted history we studied during our school, we would have made difference
@@alokbejai5250 Subtle distortions, like studying only medieval times, colonial times and modern times. And vastly ignoring anything before 1,000 years, other than some events like Ashoka the Great etc. Then there's things like attributing the building of Qutub Minar to Muslims when it has lotus flowers and bells carved on it near the middle and top floors where invaders didn't bother to erase it (because no one could see that high at the time). You can look at photos yourself. Why would any Muslim ruler build bells and lotus flowers next to Qur'an verses? Even the authenticity of the Taj Mahal can be questioned although, I'm fairly sure the main central structure was indeed built by Shah Jahan. The majority of structures attributed to muslims were originally constructed as Hindu (not Indian, Hindu) structures. This is deliberately ignored and attributed to the invaders. Despite common sense evidence like lotus flowers and bells next to Qur'an verses. Then they call it tallest tower in Asia built by the great, supreme Muslims. The education ministry and people attached to it are Stockholm Syndrome doggies. Basically no one is competant, and those who are, are intentionally not let in the system. Because, the dogs are too insecure to look incompetent in the eyes of other dogs.
@@alokbejai5250 Also, notice that a lot of things taught before 1,000 AD are related to Buddhism like Stupas, Ashoka the Great, birth of Buddha etc or interactions with outside, like traveller's acount of whatever foreigners to India or trade with arabia and so on in NCERT books. This cannot be coincidental. There is a deliberate effort to ignore everything related to vedic[hindu] culture and vedic[hindu] perspectives. And the best part is, that you wouldn't even realise this if you didn't spend a few hundred hours doing your own research to realise all the subtle as well as obvious distortions. It's been taught to you since childhood; it's really hard to look at it objectively. You can't expect everyday people to spend this amount of time when they're working 10 hours a day to eat food at the end of the day. Only us fortunate ones like you, me and the original poster have the time and resources available to explore these subjects truthfully and logically. We shouldn't let this fortune go to waste. We have a responsibility to learn to the best of our abilities, and more importantly, spread it to others around us. Please make every effort possible to learn proper history and then spread the truth to others. Thanks.
Pranams to Nilesh Ji New emerging archeological evidences, research in Genetics, Astronomical evidences, probing Worldwide emerging proofs of Hinduism(Sanatan Dharma) it's imperative for all Swadeshi Indologists work coherently in unison to decipher our ancient Bharat civilisation.
Thank you. You are absolutely right. In fact evidence has emerged from all the areas you mentioned + geology, hydrology, paleontology, paleobotany, physical anthropology, hydronyms, toponymy, onomatology, genealogies from ancient Indian narratives, oceanography, seismology, climatology, on and on.
I believe that chronology matters because if we don't care, these historical events might become just another story like harry potter in few centuries.
Thanks.... This should be beneficial to all in so many ways..... May even solve unseen problems in the future.... Hope the younger generation too turn around a bit someday to understand our history and culture!
Chronological evidence does matter in a big way because it’s due to lack of chronological claim that we’ve been robbed of our knowledge in fields of cosmology, mathematics, astronomy or so on and so forth. Our current or even previous generations have no idea that Indian civilisation had a significant contribution in various fields of science.
Fantastic Nilesh prabhu, you are very important person. This is such profound work you are doing. I would love to meet you, are you ever in Florida, or do you have a travel schedule? Hare Krishna. Was your father PN Oak?
Highly appreciate the meticulous and tireless efforts. One has to look at their heritage and explore it's pearls. This applies very forcefully in relation to the heritage that had been brutally mauled and distorted over the centuries.
It’s so much to interpret past of India. Also the greater things are that, the science, knowledge, theory etc. It’s really great way to make a point on chronology !!
Nilesh sir, u r doing great job. Now for few years I'm watching and listening research work of different peoples outside India and from inside India, in different branches of science, geology, linguistics, etc.all are doing detail work and great job. I was hoping that all such evidences when kept together It will definitely start making sense and I'm really glad that your doing it.👍🏼
I have another explanation for India and Sri Lanka being separated during 12,209 BCE, which is 14,159 BP. This year falls at the beginning of Bølling-Allerød warming, which as from 14,690 to 12,890 BP. During this time, especially at the beginning, especially 14,159 BP, the sea levels could be high to separate Sri Lanka from India. See graph here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bølling-Allerød_warming
@@NileshOak Many thanks for your reply. The fluctuating sea levels at the end of the ice age could also explain the geological foundations of Rama's bridge. It still remains a geological confusion. I tried to summarize all the conflicting views here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam%27s_Bridge#Geological_evolution. I am a geologist, but a newcomer to the Ramayana dating debate. I will try to read your books and try to get more insights.
With the Lords grace I have aquired Maharishi Bhardwaj's VIMANA SASHTRA it is amazing gives the time factors of Sri Ram and Mahabharata. And how about the Precisional equinoctial cycle of the solar system around the zodiac Constellations of 24, 000 years and 25, 920 year cycles. As for Swami Sri Yukteswarji and his Guruji Baba Lahari Mahasaya we live in 24, 000 year Precisional equinoctial cycle of 1200 Kaliyug ×2 which ended in 1700 AD , and we are living in 318 years in ascending Dwapar Yuga in the Constellation of Libra; where as the European calculations of 25, 920 year cycles of the needle pointing at Aquarius. Please Enlighten as I am also studing the Kaalganana and the life and times we all are going through. SHIVOHUM SHIVOHAM.
Excellent information. Thank you. Not sure if you have already talked to this lady - who had given an interview on tv and said that she is the 390th generation from Lord Rama. It seems her famiy has the full list.
Oak sir, I followed the entire presentation and the Question-Answer session on youtube. I have a query that is it possible to use the evidence available from Bali/SE Asia about the timeline of Ramayan.
Do check my book 12209 BCE in India or The Hisotric Rama, outside India on Amazon. I have shown the date of Rama-Ravana yuddha as 12209 BCE. Bali/SE Asia evidence, if available and if objectively testable may be useful. Hard to determine its value until the details are available.
@Robert Peace: If you followed the talk it is quite obvious that Indians are the oldest continuing civilization. There is no other world civilization that has cultural continuity and has a civilizational memory that goes further back into antiquity ...
Sir, Thank you for such a wonderful talk and also the Q&A session. I came across your talk here while searching for something else. And I am so glad I found it. I would like to know more. Of course I shall now try to go through your books. But for the time being, I shall appreciate if you could guide me to any of your talks / books / blog piece, or anything else by anybody else that could convincingly explain some of the "fantastic" aspects of these texts, such as the Pushpak Vimaan in the Rmayana? Thank you. Also, would like to thank Srijan Foundation for organising such an event and putting it on youtube.
Sir, excellent work by you .god must be happy. Sir, Shri yukteshwar Giri also mentioned yugas division as by yours. Who was enlightened being in his book The Holi science. Which can be added as inference.
Sir, I have a question about Kaliyug and Mahakalyug which is mentioned in Sri Madbhagvatam as 432, 000 or the Kaliyug is as Swami Sri Yukteswarji and his Guruji Baba Lahari Mahasaya has calculated as of only at 1, 200 years × 2 as the clock goes from 5 to 6 and to 7 o'clock, so 1200 + 1200 = 2, 400 years and the English needle points near Aquarius and it's other end points near the Libra in the Zodiac Constellations order, well I am living in 318 years in ascending Dwapar Yuga, anyone wants to accompany are most welcome. The 1200 and another 1200 years of Kaliyug ended in 1700 AD . Wake up call for all Bharatiye people including Brahmins and Saints ALL must Unite together ASAP to protect Hindutva, Bharatvarsh and BHARATIYETA. RUDRA. SHIVOHUM SHIVOHAM.
if you don't say it loud you will be taken for granted, so we need to have our views & say it out louder enough that nobody take us for granted , late the views may really mater or not.
Nilesh ji is very knowledgeable. It's also a favourite subject for Dr. Ved Rajam. Both can join to write a book titled 'Ancient Indian civilization', taking into account the latest credible researchers and surveying all important books on the subject with their comments, The subject matter may include Saraswati river civilization, Sindhu (indus) river civilization, Vedas and Upanishads etc. keeping in mind the time line. This will be immense contribution for the correct history of our civilization.
I believe you and vedveer come together and come on one page as you both are on similar line with few difference. You should come for indias common good
Very logical and impressive.Sir, i have little querry.It is said that the Mahabharat was written by Vyas and Ganesh took it writing.Querry is whether Ganesh is part of history or mythology?
Woah .... i just heard you ...and that is in my life's chronological order when am trying to find about my existence ...been reading classicals from few time now.,trying to make sense of it.... Can i connect with you by any means ? You can take help of ancient knowledge in your research... hope you get my meaning (am not talking about texts)..jaya bharata...
One more thing why didnt you mention the reffrence of 60 lakh shloka or 1 lakh shloka regarding mahabharata been text of 12k+ or 8k+ question. Or is it what i am reffering to is added version shlokas of mahabharata?
It may be logical concept of One Kaliyug is about 432000 but the human life is about to 100 years if it is devided by 100 The Kaliyug years 4320 years. On that lines we can calculate the four yugas time period. 4320+8640+12960+17280= 43200 the one circle of yugas
The Europeans and other western historians don’t seem to have any responsibility to explain their history , religion or historical events to anyone in the world, nor does anyone question them ? Why so? Are we too timid or are they too entitled or both ? Their superiority always tend to reign supreme.
In both Ramayana and Mahabharata there is mention of use of Iron swords. Almost no mention of using Copper and Bronze swords. This should indicate that both Ramayana and Mahabharata are post-Bronze Age civilizations. Iron smelting in India began around 1500 - 1600 BCE. Without the discovery of Iron and invention of iron smelting, human civilization did not have the wherewithal to cut down trees and move out of river valley-based civilization. While Copper, Brass and Bronze (and even wooden stick) enabled humans to till the soft river valley soil, humans required Iron and steel to cut down tree and the iron plough and dig up harder soil. In Mahabharata, we find the mention of Balarama with the iron-tipped plough teaching ploughing and tilling - almost as if humans were learning to use the iron plough for the first time.
These statements complicate the dates a lot, based on carbon 14, as it can also explain many things, mainly how a civilization came out of nowhere, like Sumerian, among others. But you can say that these dates can go up to 25,000 BC, as the beginning of all this civilization, which apparently was all over the Indian continent, informs Ramayana. What will be your next work of deepening Indian civilization?
Mr Oak if Ramayan is a fact and not a fairytale (which is my faith as well) then please explain: ten headed raavan, hanuman carying mountain from North india to lanka, etc scientifically.
Sir, IMHO, one has to come up with better explanation for the ravikeerti sasana. we do not know how they concluded; but it was written at a time which was golden period in our astronomy maths.
Great talk. Lot of good questions from the audience as well. I don't understand why the astronomical observations are taken as 100% fact while the genealogical facts are set aside. For example, if there are supposedly 30 generations between Ramayana and Mahabharata then each king would have had to rule for more than 200 years as per the proposed dates of 5500 BCE and 12000 BCE. To which the reply is that the genealogy mentions only prominent kings. But that seems a bit like selecting facts to fit a theory.
Re-read what you wrote. Facts are only in the context of a specific theory. There is nothing like '100% fact'. I don't even though what that means. Do you care to explain? The fact that all genealogy lists include ONLY 'prominent kings" is a self-admitted fact by the creators of the lists. What is in it that amounts to 'selective a fact to fit a theory'? Do you have your theory of genealogy of kings that explains the gap between Mahabharata and Ramayana and that also allows matching of internal evidence of the epics? If you do, present it here.. Otherwise we you only involving in dry argumentation and even illogical argumentations. That is Vitanada and worse.
No, I do not. And neither do I claim to be an expert on this subject matter which you evidently are. I am a layperson as are most people commenting on CZcams. But, I hope you can help me understand better - if the minor kings are not mentioned, it must have something to do with the fact that they ruled for less time than the major kings. Let's say major kings ruled for 40 years on average. Then how many minor kings would have to be inserted into the genealogy to account for 6500 years? At least a few hundred? Is that tenable in your opinion?
Watch this talk by David Frawley: czcams.com/video/qych3WYNViA/video.html. I haven't seen the above video yet (will in a while) ... but somewhere in the talk David Frawley gives evidence of Megasthenes who came with Alexander coming across written history of a line of 153 kings that ruled over a period of 6700 years. Don't know if its related to what you are asking about.... but thought I'll put in this video lest I lose track of your comment on my revisit after viewing the vid.
*Interpolations.... Whenever made..later on..are aimed to explain and fill the abruptness in narration to make the narration more logical and explanatory. BUT THESE NEVER WOULD BE OF ANY KIND OF ASTRONOMICAL DATA. That is time data and forms the main structure of the history.That can not be interpolated, and if at most something could nserted (what for?),that can not change the astronomical estimates of the very start and end of the whole Mahabharat.*
There was solar eclipse during Mahabharata war which was 13 days of war. How can it will be possible in Shukla 13 if Bhishma was lying on how in 10th shukla?
Provide evidence then we can talk. I can also think that the cookie monster is real and he lives at the bottom of mariana trench. Doesn't mean it's even 0.1% true.
Thank you. Rupa Bhaty ji had quoted this and many such references. Thank you. That is precisely the reason any Yuga evidence, by itself, will be inconclusive in Chronology studies.
Arvind Patil oh really can u explain what isn't related to vedic in harrapa? I mean there are no. Evidence like yagya kundas & mud chariots toys are main of them.
SO CALLED Harrapan was vedic. the seals depict Ashwamedh Yagna. watch latest video from this very channel . the mystery is solved. the entire Harappan and Indus valley was actually Vedic. Vedas talk mostly about this region.
Congratulations for working so hard and helping me to know what is written where in our religious books. Actually your findings are challenging hindus understanding of all the four yugs indeed!!. Actually I fully agree with dating of mahabharta but dating of Ramayan is something we need more discussion. Actually now if I consider your dates as true then my complete understandings of Assyria, sumerian and their tablets.. Around 30000, are challenged... I want to imagine two things at same time.... Like one hand there are celestial weapons of mahabharta while on other hand somebody like sumerians..mesopotamia.. There are many archaeological findings which we have to compare... Like recent finds of Turkey i.e gobelki tepe and various others... Tough job a head for all hindus.
But if we look at Manu period its 71 chaturyugas and in a chatur yuga each yuga occurs twice ...so in which treta yuga of these chaturyuga did the Ramayana happened and how can there be so less difference of time between Dwapara and Treta as each Manushya varsha (year) is to be multiplied by 360 as 1 Manu varsha is eaqual to 360 deva varsha !!!!
@@user-hz5ft3jr9r these are words of Sir Muhammad Iqbal who admire Indian culture where students still bow and touch their teachers feet as a mark of respect.
Ravana took away Sita to Lanka via Vimana. Rama had to construct the bridge because he had to take a huge Vanara army along with war equipment across the ocean. Rama fetched Sita from Lanka via Pushpaka Vimana.
Great question. Would require a long answer but I will make a short one. Certain terms gain a specific meaning over a time. In Rigveda 'Asura' is employed as a title with great honor. Asura is also explained in few places in our narratives as 'one who did not drink spirited/alcoholic drinks --A-sura'. Ditto for Rakshasah. Raksham it rakshasah. one who protects is a rakshasah. However as you can imagine, Shikha community created by Guru Govindsingh to protect Hindu Dharma became (not all of them) Khalistani and became anti-Hindu. Similar things happened. Then comes common man (commentators, common folks, pravachankar) using these terms loosley (taking Asura, Rakshasah, Goblins, etc as synonums.) and the journey is downhill. -- If you read Valmiki Ramayana (not other Ramayanas written with specific emphasis) you will find that Ravana was indeed powerful and great virtuous kings. But as everywhere, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Anyways, answer is already becoming longer than intended by me. So I will stop. Hope this helps.
Raj Narayanan Namaskar another meaning I was told by my guruji of asura was a-surya, the one who does not follow surya, means nocturnal which does not necessarily mean bad but you could interpret like someone who sleeps in day time. So people who day night shifts and sleep during day are all Asuras.
Geological findings are very limited in the context of Nala-setu. However, whatever little is researched is very exciting. What you are referring to (~7000 BP) findings/claims is only one of the many findings and frankly, the tip of the iceberg. Also, it is high time, we go 20+ level down to the bottom of the dataset anytime we hear some sensational news via TV channel or MSM articles. Otherwise we will not make significant progress.
Nilesh Oak sir did aryan invasion happened? In my state politicians argue that it did happened and they talk about DNA studies but I have seen lots of DNA researches debunking the theory but still they argue.I don't believe in that theory but what about DNA studies which supports aryan invasion?reply me sir
Those try to search and explain art and litrature are irrational because only science has proof and explainations. Art and litrature has only purpose and message.
In Ramayana, In Bala Kanda first sarga, Yuddha Kanda, in the concluding scene it is mentioned, Rama ruled the kingdom 11000 years (10000+1000). So, based on 12000 BC timeline for Ramayana, can we claim Rama was still ruling Ayodhya, during Mahabharat? I have also seen your claim that Sri Ram born in the Sharad rutu. However, as per Ramayana, it is clearly mentioned Vasanta rutu, Chaitta masam. How would you support your claim? ततो यज्ञे समाप्ते तु ऋतूनां षट्समत्ययु:। ततश्च द्वादशे मासे चैत्रे नावमिके तिथौ।।1.18.8।।
Many individuals who lack scientific acumen, logical reasoning and Vypati-Jnana have indeed made such foolish conclusions. For your second question, you have to read Valmiki Ramayana and my books, multiple times.
Kindly read the Book " The Book That Made Your World " by a great Indian Philosopher Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi to know more about the Scientific Development in India compared to the Christian Countries.
I think it is like our granny saying the ramayana epic and concluding the story by saying " Raam thus ruled happily for further 10,000 years......." . I think it is just an emphasis....
Pravin Mohan has shown in one of his video on Angkor wat temple that there is a carving on one of the wall having three tusk elephant, depicting a war between Vishnu and Indra.
Minute 46:00 What is the theory ? The theory is the time is relative. Demigods do not experience “time” the same way as humans do. If there is a reference in the Vedas that one year has 4 yugas then the natural question to ask is whose one year ? “Whose” one year ? Lord Brahma’s ? Manus ? Demigods of Jambudvipa ? Residents of this earth ? This is what I hate about the poos . They take everything out of context. They have no regards for the great Acharyas. They do streetshitting a lot. BRAHMA’s life =====> 36,000 kalpa days + 36,000 kalpa nights KALPA =======> (14 manvantaras + 15 sandhyas)x2 (days and nights) MANVANTARA => 71 divya yugas DIVYA-YUGA ==> 4 yugas + 4 sandhyas 4 YUGAS ============================================== YUGA----duration----life span--average human height ============================================== SATYA ===> 4*432,000 ==> 100*1000 ==> 48 feet TRETA ===> 3*432,000 ==> 100*100 ==> 24 feet DVAPARA => 2*432,000 ==> 100*10 ==> 12 feet KALI ===> 1*432,000 ==> 100*1 ==> 6 feet ============================================== SATYA ===> 1,728,000 ==> 100,000 ==> 48 feet TRETA ===> 1,296,000 ==> 10,000 ==> 24 feet DVAPARA=> 864,000 ==> 1,000 ==> 12 feet KALI ===> 432,000 ==> 100 ==> 6 feet ============================================== Satya Yuga ===> 4,800 x 360 = 1,728,000 human years. Treta Yuga ===> 3,600 x 360 = 1,296,000 human years. Dvapara Yuga => 2,400 x 360 = 864,000 human years. Kali Yuga ====> 1,200 x 360 = 432,000 human years. ====================================== Satya Yuga ===> 4,800 of demigods years Treta Yuga ===> 3,600 of demigods years Dvapara Yuga => 2,400 of demigods years Kali Yuga ====> 1,200 of demigods years ====================================== So yeah , 1200+2400+3600+4800=12,000 , Ramayana did happen some 12000 years ago in the estimation of time of the demigods living in Jambudvipa. At least , it was written down before it even happened by the sage Valmiki during the Satya Yuga.
Amazing info, but i would like to add up some thing if i may pls, There is major lack of presentation skills if i campare it with European's, even the things they steal are presented in such high level marketing way that u are compelled to believe them, so please if you can. Regards
@@SCohn u kidding me bro? This video got out released 2 year ago and still 59 k views, and one silly incidence in ur country n u get like millions view in no time, and u adding excuse, " go and see " i am from New Zealand u dummy thats y i know it straight, if thats ur attitude "go and see" with a denayl huh its good less n less people care what India had to offer.
Impressive! Reminds me... being old... when I was very young growing up in Europe I had the impression to be surrounded by primitive peoples. Then I saw some photos of Indian temples and palaces... and I knew this was not true as these were more masterful than anything we have in Europe. Later I saw more brilliant achievements of all kinds and from just about anywhere.... And as far as India is concerned we still don't know the half of it. That should be obvious from what is expounded here. Impressive!
You find it great but think how indians would react to it because our leftist framed our history and named these mythologies it is our culture i am proud of it but it is disheartening that in india european scientists,philosophers etc are shown as great and their theories as only truth that exists
By indians i mean who belong to indian territory and take pride in its original culture
There is a temple in Ellora caves , its carved out from a single rock. Sometimes i think why build a temple in a desolate place for 122 years just in the name of god. There must be something else. Because these carvers they don't take credit there are no mentions of the carvers and engineers who made the temple construction possible.
He is brilliant. I am embarrassed that my eyes are moist with elation I have inherited so much from my forefathers. I feel pride we Indians have Rajiv Malhotra and Nilesh Oak. Thank you so much Srijan !
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I am one of those desperately trying to fix chronological dates to RAMAYAN & MAHABHARATH & even earlier,from that standpoint this lecture & Q&A SESSION was very illuminating,enlightening & educative, SPECIAL THANKS TO SRI. Nilesh Nilkanth Oak.......
Man, I am just blown away by the quality of the discussion, presented arguments, depth, and details of his explorations. Thank you for being a Kramayogi and Gyanyogi...
This is most invaluable re-education in the rewriting of delibrate distortion of our dignified history.
Remember, it's not ours(Bhartiya) history, it was always theirs(Marxist & Nehru Congress) history. Just a simple Question: How Mongols turned to be called as Mughals in NCERT textbooks, leading to a absolutely false identity of their ancestry among present Muslim population? This was a British creation to divide and rule entire South Asia, continued by regimes in post-independence India. And you know the greatest victim of Mongol invasion are none else than Muslims of present South Asia, ironically they feel proud of calling Mongols/Mughals as their ancestors.
It is for you but for us it is not
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@@rajeshwarnayak6005 great explanation
I would be delighted when this becomes part of CBSE history books, instead of just teaching us about what happened after 1 AD
Amazing effort why can't the government/pvt sector sponsor these painstaking work thank you sir
I think this is extremely meticulous work, no words can be enough. It needs lot of work. How do one start getting this knowledge as it looks like it take decades to assimilate such information.
Bharat's history /real should be known by 135+ crore people as they are telling stories/propaganda /illogical information...Jai Bharat!!! Very Good Work!!!
I am impressed with the logical presentation. Mr.Oak does not say that his explanation is the only answer.
I don't understand his logic. He has mishmashed everything....
This is amazing. I am just in awe. The intellect, the breadth and depth of the presentation and the implications of what is being said are mind-blowing. To answer the last point of why it's important, my feeling is that it speaks to our identity and if we don't define it someone else will and that definition will not be to our liking -- as has been the case in our recent history. I hope these ideas get incorporated in our textbooks in India and elsewhere.
Someone else has already defined our identity and all that's doing is ruining and dividing our country
It's not your own , it's about humain history .at large.
This man is brilliant. Shining shimmering brilliance
He is genius..
The concerns he is trying to get them in lights should be introduced in academics in india
Too often Indians, including the highly educated ones, take this line: ‘Just forget about the past and get on with living the future’. Unfortunately, this very same line is repeated by those disenfranchised from their land and presently live as suppressed classes, ref: Native Americans, Australian aborigines, Maories, you name them. Europeans hold no such notion of allowing anyone the leisure of forgetting anything. Jews, Polish, Armenians, Irish, French etc. Only Indians think they have this right. Firstly everything has a chronology, whether Sport, Science, Music, Maths or Art; a history of its development to where we are today.
Secondly last week I was in my car listening to an interview on radio4, It was on the politics of Ireland, Northern Ireland and GB, I caught the show in the middle, it had already begun. The interviewer asked one of her panel ‘Well look, I’m sure many people would be asking, why can’t we just forget the whole thing and move on?’ The Professor replied ‘Well that would be like erecting a memorial and then electing to forget where we put it.
What a poor argument. While you were living in the past, you aimed for future. What makes you think we won't aim for future in the present. Also, we dont live in the past, but we must accustom with living in the future. Evolve or Perish
@@ghazifilms5933 Being mindful of historic events does not imply one lives in the past. If history is so unimportant i suggest you ask for its removal from your national curriculum. Moreover if it were so irrelevant it would make no sense for those involved in retelling it in novel narratives to spend so much time, money and effort to contort it to suit agendas or would it? After all, in which case we might as well all be reading a jack and the beanstalk fairytale for light bedtime entertainment instead. A person who has lost their personal history is in a state of dementia, these have no future. A country with no sense of history has similarly no sense of identity. Your History has made you who you are and placed you where you are. I also hope you noticed that at no point was any reference made towards the quality of your argument, poor or otherwise. If you wish to counter an argument you make a point. Judgemental statements of poor arguments prove nothing.
@@ivarhakuse8572other person quote you wrong. Probably didn't get what u mean. History is important to understand past and perhaps our understanding of our own evolution was wrong. Science is seeking nothing wrong going behind history but some indians continue to live in that glory which doesn't make sense.
@@dontbefooledbyjumla7869 In the classroom, performance by pupils with healthy self esteem is different to those with poor self esteem. Your past often dictates your present sense of self estimation. This does not mean these are lost causes but they need a lot of reminding of their successes and strengths.
OMG!! So much knowledge and clarity👌
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I AM AMAZED SUCH INDIVIDUALS EXIST IN HINDUS AND HE (THEY) IS /ARE NOT CELEBRITIES.LIKE OF MR, RAJIVJI.MEHLOTRA DR VEDAM AND MANY OTHERS.HATS OFF/ PRANAM.WONDERING HE IS INVITEE TO IITs ,BARC,TIFR,IISCs OR NOT.HE WAS IN RMs GUEST IN IITM
some generation or may be every generation makes their effort to research ancient mythology/history but someone needs to do this and i guess Nilkanth has really dedicated time, effort and all the beauty to tie many facets together to almost make it so believable! And history to be ratified as "true" is truly excitement!
4 tusked elephants (Gomphothere) remains are common at South American Paleo-indian sites. Examples include the early human settlement at Monte Verde, Chile, dating to approximately 14,000 years ago, and the Altiplano Cundiboyacense (Tibitó, 11,740 BP) and the Valle del Magdalena of Colombia. In 2011, remains dating between 10,600 and 11,600 years ago were also found in the El Fin del Mundo (End of the World) site in Sonora, Mexico's Clovis location - the first time such an association was found in a northern part of the continent where gomphotheres had been thought to have gone extinct 30,000 years ago. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gomphothere
Yes. Good stuff and thank you.
Yet, folks who lack scientific acumen and logical reasoning are stuck in 9 million years ago for Ramayana, only because 4 tusked elephants also existed then.
I am amazed people are asking many irrelevant questions to a presentation that was so mathematical(I mean facts) in nature. If people had asked so many questions regarding the distorted history we studied during our school, we would have made difference
@@alokbejai5250 Subtle distortions, like studying only medieval times, colonial times and modern times. And vastly ignoring anything before 1,000 years, other than some events like Ashoka the Great etc.
Then there's things like attributing the building of Qutub Minar to Muslims when it has lotus flowers and bells carved on it near the middle and top floors where invaders didn't bother to erase it (because no one could see that high at the time).
You can look at photos yourself.
Why would any Muslim ruler build bells and lotus flowers next to Qur'an verses?
Even the authenticity of the Taj Mahal can be questioned although, I'm fairly sure the main central structure was indeed built by Shah Jahan.
The majority of structures attributed to muslims were originally constructed as Hindu (not Indian, Hindu) structures.
This is deliberately ignored and attributed to the invaders.
Despite common sense evidence like lotus flowers and bells next to Qur'an verses.
Then they call it tallest tower in Asia built by the great, supreme Muslims.
The education ministry and people attached to it are Stockholm Syndrome doggies.
Basically no one is competant, and those who are, are intentionally not let in the system. Because, the dogs are too insecure to look incompetent in the eyes of other dogs.
@@alokbejai5250 Also, notice that a lot of things taught before 1,000 AD are related to Buddhism like Stupas, Ashoka the Great, birth of Buddha etc or interactions with outside, like traveller's acount of whatever foreigners to India or trade with arabia and so on in NCERT books.
This cannot be coincidental.
There is a deliberate effort to ignore everything related to vedic[hindu] culture and vedic[hindu] perspectives.
And the best part is, that you wouldn't even realise this if you didn't spend a few hundred hours doing your own research to realise all the subtle as well as obvious distortions.
It's been taught to you since childhood; it's really hard to look at it objectively.
You can't expect everyday people to spend this amount of time when they're working 10 hours a day to eat food at the end of the day.
Only us fortunate ones like you, me and the original poster have the time and resources available to explore these subjects truthfully and logically.
We shouldn't let this fortune go to waste.
We have a responsibility to learn to the best of our abilities, and more importantly, spread it to others around us.
Please make every effort possible to learn proper history and then spread the truth to others. Thanks.
Pranams to Nilesh Ji
New emerging archeological evidences, research in Genetics, Astronomical evidences, probing Worldwide emerging proofs of Hinduism(Sanatan Dharma) it's imperative for all Swadeshi Indologists work coherently in unison to decipher our ancient Bharat civilisation.
Thank you. You are absolutely right. In fact evidence has emerged from all the areas you mentioned + geology, hydrology, paleontology, paleobotany, physical anthropology, hydronyms, toponymy, onomatology, genealogies from ancient Indian narratives, oceanography, seismology, climatology, on and on.
I don't know english very well.. But thanks to your concept depends on our SANAATANA DHARMA
Fantastic work sir.. keep going. Jai Sri Ram
I believe that chronology matters because if we don't care, these historical events might become just another story like harry potter in few centuries.
It is our duty to determine if we want to preserve it or not. If we don't do it eastern philosophy will be regarded as baseless in the coming years.
Very nice talk! Thank you so much Nilesh ji
Fantastic work. Very convincing.
Absolutely in awe ...............
Thank you for such an informative talk. Simply brilliant!
Thanks.... This should be beneficial to all in so many ways..... May even solve unseen problems in the future.... Hope the younger generation too turn around a bit someday to understand our history and culture!
Wow! Great lecture and a great day!
Your speeches are very much interesting. And finally I have ordered two of your books.
Haved to review it twice , because it's so amazing .
Great work
Chronological evidence does matter in a big way because it’s due to lack of chronological claim that we’ve been robbed of our knowledge in fields of cosmology, mathematics, astronomy or so on and so forth. Our current or even previous generations have no idea that Indian civilisation had a significant contribution in various fields of science.
Khup khup chaan sir 👌👌👌👌
Wish the future generations of India, learn all this true history and live in more proudness ❤️🙏🙏🙏
Great research work, Nilesh sir you are brilliant explaining very well and logically. thanks Srijan
Brilliant analysis of chronology thanks
Fantastic Nilesh prabhu, you are very important person. This is such profound work you are doing. I would love to meet you, are you ever in Florida, or do you have a travel schedule? Hare Krishna. Was your father PN Oak?
Not his son
Highly appreciate the meticulous and tireless efforts. One has to look at their heritage and explore it's pearls. This applies very forcefully in relation to the heritage that had been brutally mauled and distorted over the centuries.
It’s so much to interpret past of India. Also the greater things are that, the science, knowledge, theory etc. It’s really great way to make a point on chronology !!
Nilesh sir, u r doing great job. Now for few years I'm watching and listening research work of different peoples outside India and from inside India, in different branches of science, geology, linguistics, etc.all are doing detail work and great job.
I was hoping that all such evidences when kept together It will definitely start making sense and I'm really glad that your doing it.👍🏼
Thank you.
I have another explanation for India and Sri Lanka being separated during 12,209 BCE, which is 14,159 BP. This year falls at the beginning of Bølling-Allerød warming, which as from 14,690 to 12,890 BP. During this time, especially at the beginning, especially 14,159 BP, the sea levels could be high to separate Sri Lanka from India. See graph here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bølling-Allerød_warming
Yes. I considered this as critical factor in explaining numerous things about Ramayana times since 2014. It is good that someone else is stating it.
@@NileshOak Many thanks for your reply. The fluctuating sea levels at the end of the ice age could also explain the geological foundations of Rama's bridge. It still remains a geological confusion. I tried to summarize all the conflicting views here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam%27s_Bridge#Geological_evolution. I am a geologist, but a newcomer to the Ramayana dating debate. I will try to read your books and try to get more insights.
With the Lords grace I have aquired Maharishi Bhardwaj's VIMANA SASHTRA it is amazing gives the time factors of Sri Ram and Mahabharata.
And how about the Precisional equinoctial cycle of the solar system around the zodiac Constellations of 24, 000 years and 25, 920 year cycles. As for Swami Sri Yukteswarji and his Guruji Baba Lahari Mahasaya we live in 24, 000 year Precisional equinoctial cycle of 1200 Kaliyug ×2 which ended in 1700 AD , and we are living in 318 years in ascending Dwapar Yuga in the Constellation of Libra;
where as the European calculations of 25, 920 year cycles of the needle pointing at Aquarius.
Please Enlighten as I am also studing the Kaalganana and the life and times we all are going through.
SHIVOHUM SHIVOHAM.
Who was kalki avatar them, was Mahavtar babaji Kalki avatar
Amazing
Excellent information. Thank you. Not sure if you have already talked to this lady - who had given an interview on tv and said that she is the 390th generation from Lord Rama. It seems her famiy has the full list.
Oak sir, I followed the entire presentation and the Question-Answer session on youtube. I have a query that is it possible to use the evidence available from Bali/SE Asia about the timeline of Ramayan.
Do check my book 12209 BCE in India or The Hisotric Rama, outside India on Amazon. I have shown the date of Rama-Ravana yuddha as 12209 BCE.
Bali/SE Asia evidence, if available and if objectively testable may be useful.
Hard to determine its value until the details are available.
@Robert Peace: If you followed the talk it is quite obvious that Indians are the oldest continuing civilization. There is no other world civilization that has cultural continuity and has a civilizational memory that goes further back into antiquity ...
Sir, Thank you for such a wonderful talk and also the Q&A session. I came across your talk here while searching for something else. And I am so glad I found it. I would like to know more. Of course I shall now try to go through your books. But for the time being, I shall appreciate if you could guide me to any of your talks / books / blog piece, or anything else by anybody else that could convincingly explain some of the "fantastic" aspects of these texts, such as the Pushpak Vimaan in the Rmayana? Thank you. Also, would like to thank Srijan Foundation for organising such an event and putting it on youtube.
Thank you. Watch videos. Read blogs and read books.
Impressive
2:30 Good start to Q&A, an open problem
Sir, excellent work by you .god must be happy. Sir, Shri yukteshwar Giri also mentioned yugas division as by yours. Who was enlightened being in his book The Holi science. Which can be added as inference.
I am impressed with the work .can you also take gandeevam (Arjuna bow) into consideration .
Sir, I have a question about Kaliyug and Mahakalyug which is mentioned in Sri Madbhagvatam as 432, 000 or the Kaliyug is as Swami Sri Yukteswarji and his Guruji Baba Lahari Mahasaya has calculated as of only at
1, 200 years × 2 as the clock goes from 5 to 6 and to 7 o'clock, so 1200 + 1200 =
2, 400 years and the English needle points near Aquarius and it's other end points near the Libra in the Zodiac Constellations order, well I am living in 318 years in ascending Dwapar Yuga, anyone wants to accompany are most welcome. The 1200 and another 1200 years of Kaliyug ended in 1700 AD .
Wake up call for all Bharatiye people including Brahmins and Saints ALL must Unite together ASAP to protect Hindutva, Bharatvarsh and BHARATIYETA. RUDRA. SHIVOHUM SHIVOHAM.
if you don't say it loud you will be taken for granted, so we need to have our views & say it out louder enough that nobody take us for granted , late the views may really mater or not.
Nilesh ji is very knowledgeable. It's also a favourite subject for Dr. Ved Rajam. Both can join to write a book titled 'Ancient Indian civilization', taking into account the latest credible researchers and surveying all important books on the subject with their comments, The subject matter may include Saraswati river civilization, Sindhu (indus) river civilization, Vedas and Upanishads etc. keeping in mind the time line. This will be immense contribution for the correct history of our civilization.
Ved Rajam AFAIK does not do any original research. He only compiles what others have found and presents them in a way so we can understand better.
Truth matters in last questions
I believe you and vedveer come together and come on one page as you both are on similar line with few difference. You should come for indias common good
Jai ma bharati 🙏🙏🙏
Namaste
Your presentation wonderful,but I felt something is missing,please go ahed god bless you
Very logical and impressive.Sir, i have little querry.It is said that the Mahabharat was written by Vyas and Ganesh took it writing.Querry is whether Ganesh is part of history or mythology?
Woah .... i just heard you ...and that is in my life's chronological order when am trying to find about my existence ...been reading classicals from few time now.,trying to make sense of it....
Can i connect with you by any means ?
You can take help of ancient knowledge in your research... hope you get my meaning (am not talking about texts)..jaya bharata...
One more thing why didnt you mention the reffrence of 60 lakh shloka or 1 lakh shloka regarding mahabharata been text of 12k+ or 8k+ question.
Or is it what i am reffering to is added version shlokas of mahabharata?
Nileshoak.5561BCE@gmail.com
nileshoak.wordpress.com/2017/10/08/do-we-have-original-valmiki-ramayana-vyasas-mahabharata/
It may be logical concept of One Kaliyug is about 432000 but the human life is about to 100 years if it is devided by 100 The Kaliyug years 4320 years. On that lines we can calculate the four yugas time period. 4320+8640+12960+17280= 43200 the one circle of yugas
The Europeans and other western historians don’t seem to have any responsibility to explain their history , religion or historical events to anyone in the world, nor does anyone question them ? Why so?
Are we too timid or are they too entitled or both ? Their superiority always tend to reign supreme.
trisanku is a star ,which have three horns .i have read in a malayalam magazin named pragathi.
In both Ramayana and Mahabharata there is mention of use of Iron swords. Almost no mention of using Copper and Bronze swords. This should indicate that both Ramayana and Mahabharata are post-Bronze Age civilizations.
Iron smelting in India began around 1500 - 1600 BCE. Without the discovery of Iron and invention of iron smelting, human civilization did not have the wherewithal to cut down trees and move out of river valley-based civilization.
While Copper, Brass and Bronze (and even wooden stick) enabled humans to till the soft river valley soil, humans required Iron and steel to cut down tree and the iron plough and dig up harder soil. In Mahabharata, we find the mention of Balarama with the iron-tipped plough teaching ploughing and tilling - almost as if humans were learning to use the iron plough for the first time.
@ Nilesh Oak sir, isn't it possible that vanaras depicted in ramayana were some extinct hominid species like neanderthals or so??
Anything is possible. Someone must do original research, otherwise, suggestions remain suggestions.
These statements complicate the dates a lot, based on carbon 14, as it can also explain many things, mainly how a civilization came out of nowhere, like Sumerian, among others. But you can say that these dates can go up to 25,000 BC, as the beginning of all this civilization, which apparently was all over the Indian continent, informs Ramayana. What will be your next work of deepening Indian civilization?
Wakeup hindu wakeup
Mr Oak if Ramayan is a fact and not a fairytale (which is my faith as well) then please explain: ten headed raavan, hanuman carying mountain from North india to lanka, etc scientifically.
Sir, IMHO, one has to come up with better explanation for the ravikeerti sasana. we do not know how they concluded; but it was written at a time which was golden period in our astronomy maths.
अगर यह सब हिंदी में होता तो अधिकांश लोग समझ पाते। दोनों भाषा मे अनुवाद करना चाहिये।
Great talk. Lot of good questions from the audience as well. I don't understand why the astronomical observations are taken as 100% fact while the genealogical facts are set aside. For example, if there are supposedly 30 generations between Ramayana and Mahabharata then each king would have had to rule for more than 200 years as per the proposed dates of 5500 BCE and 12000 BCE. To which the reply is that the genealogy mentions only prominent kings. But that seems a bit like selecting facts to fit a theory.
Re-read what you wrote. Facts are only in the context of a specific theory. There is nothing like '100% fact'. I don't even though what that means. Do you care to explain? The fact that all genealogy lists include ONLY 'prominent kings" is a self-admitted fact by the creators of the lists. What is in it that amounts to 'selective a fact to fit a theory'? Do you have your theory of genealogy of kings that explains the gap between Mahabharata and Ramayana and that also allows matching of internal evidence of the epics? If you do, present it here.. Otherwise we you only involving in dry argumentation and even illogical argumentations. That is Vitanada and worse.
No, I do not. And neither do I claim to be an expert on this subject matter which you evidently are. I am a layperson as are most people commenting on CZcams. But, I hope you can help me understand better - if the minor kings are not mentioned, it must have something to do with the fact that they ruled for less time than the major kings. Let's say major kings ruled for 40 years on average. Then how many minor kings would have to be inserted into the genealogy to account for 6500 years? At least a few hundred? Is that tenable in your opinion?
Watch this talk by David Frawley: czcams.com/video/qych3WYNViA/video.html. I haven't seen the above video yet (will in a while) ... but somewhere in the talk David Frawley gives evidence of Megasthenes who came with Alexander coming across written history of a line of 153 kings that ruled over a period of 6700 years. Don't know if its related to what you are asking about.... but thought I'll put in this video lest I lose track of your comment on my revisit after viewing the vid.
Excellent point, Pallavi Sharma ji. I have written few blogs on this theme, too. Thank you.
Here are link to some of my blog articles. check out 400+ plus of them.
nileshoak.wordpress.com/2016/09/24/tale-of-two-unknowns/
*Interpolations.... Whenever made..later on..are aimed to explain and fill the abruptness in narration to make the narration more logical and explanatory. BUT THESE NEVER WOULD BE OF ANY KIND OF ASTRONOMICAL DATA. That is time data and forms the main structure of the history.That can not be interpolated, and if at most something could nserted (what for?),that can not change the astronomical estimates of the very start and end of the whole Mahabharat.*
There was solar eclipse during Mahabharata war which was 13 days of war. How can it will be possible in Shukla 13 if Bhishma was lying on how in 10th shukla?
I think it goes even further back...like 50 million years ago when Indian tectonic plate collided with Eurasian plate... 😬
When Ayesha meet Muhammad...Milky way find its way .
@@himangshuhazarikadigitaldr2637 lol
based on what evidence?
Provide evidence then we can talk.
I can also think that the cookie monster is real and he lives at the bottom of mariana trench.
Doesn't mean it's even 0.1% true.
On Yuga ... Shatpath Bramhan somwhere mentions 4 yuga in 1 day.
It would be great if you can quote exact verse with reference. Thanks.
Nilesh Oak
कलिः शयानो भवति संजिहानस्तु द्वापरः ।
उत्तिष्ठस्त्रेता भवति कृतं संपद्यते चरंश्चरैवेति ।।
- ऐतरेय ब्राह्मण 33/3
Thank you, sir.
(Wrongly mentioned of Shatpath Brahman)
Thank you. Rupa Bhaty ji had quoted this and many such references. Thank you. That is precisely the reason any Yuga evidence, by itself, will be inconclusive in Chronology studies.
What is Santana Dharma and when was it born by whom
16:30 only 30 generation in 6000 years. 30 generations by any standard will be atmost 900-1000 years.
I have question on Harppan civilization. To me it appears out of blue, nothing is related to Vedic civilization. How is that possible?
Arvind Patil oh really can u explain what isn't related to vedic in harrapa?
I mean there are no. Evidence like yagya kundas & mud chariots toys are main of them.
My question stems from the fact we are unable to decipher the script
Arvind Patil yeah,, we are still unable to decipher their script but that doesnt mean we will never able to decipher their script.
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SO CALLED Harrapan was vedic. the seals depict Ashwamedh Yagna. watch latest video from this very channel . the mystery is solved. the entire Harappan and Indus valley was actually Vedic. Vedas talk mostly about this region.
Congratulations for working so hard and helping me to know what is written where in our religious books. Actually your findings are challenging hindus understanding of all the four yugs indeed!!. Actually I fully agree with dating of mahabharta but dating of Ramayan is something we need more discussion. Actually now if I consider your dates as true then my complete understandings of Assyria, sumerian and their tablets.. Around 30000, are challenged... I want to imagine two things at same time.... Like one hand there are celestial weapons of mahabharta while on other hand somebody like sumerians..mesopotamia.. There are many archaeological findings which we have to compare... Like recent finds of Turkey i.e gobelki tepe and various others... Tough job a head for all hindus.
But if we look at Manu period its 71 chaturyugas and in a chatur yuga each yuga occurs twice ...so in which treta yuga of these chaturyuga did the Ramayana happened and how can there be so less difference of time between Dwapara and Treta as each Manushya varsha (year) is to be multiplied by 360 as 1 Manu varsha is eaqual to 360 deva varsha !!!!
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Problem is this only if you look properly you are using most words from Urdu language so how will India languages will persist 🤔🤔🤔
@@user-hz5ft3jr9r these are words of Sir Muhammad Iqbal who admire Indian culture where students still bow and touch their teachers feet as a mark of respect.
Ple hindi also
Pls reply where are these confernce happening
Delhi. facebook.com/srijanfoundation/
How did the Ravanan take away Sita to Lanka ? if Rama had to construct a Bridge to fetch Sita back from Lanka ?
Ravana took away Sita to Lanka via Vimana. Rama had to construct the bridge because he had to take a huge Vanara army along with war equipment across the ocean. Rama fetched Sita from Lanka via Pushpaka Vimana.
Great question. Would require a long answer but I will make a short one. Certain terms gain a specific meaning over a time. In Rigveda 'Asura' is employed as a title with great honor. Asura is also explained in few places in our narratives as 'one who did not drink spirited/alcoholic drinks --A-sura'. Ditto for Rakshasah. Raksham it rakshasah. one who protects is a rakshasah. However as you can imagine, Shikha community created by Guru Govindsingh to protect Hindu Dharma became (not all of them) Khalistani and became anti-Hindu. Similar things happened.
Then comes common man (commentators, common folks, pravachankar) using these terms loosley (taking Asura, Rakshasah, Goblins, etc as synonums.) and the journey is downhill.
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If you read Valmiki Ramayana (not other Ramayanas written with specific emphasis) you will find that Ravana was indeed powerful and great virtuous kings. But as everywhere, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Anyways, answer is already becoming longer than intended by me. So I will stop.
Hope this helps.
Raj Narayanan Namaskar another meaning I was told by my guruji of asura was a-surya, the one who does not follow surya, means nocturnal which does not necessarily mean bad but you could interpret like someone who sleeps in day time. So people who day night shifts and sleep during day are all Asuras.
He flew
Can we have such discussion on QURAN?
Or even bible
No you will be in someone's plate with variety of forks.💯💯💯
Sir Geological research says Ramsetu was made 7000 or so years ago I believe
Geological findings are very limited in the context of Nala-setu. However, whatever little is researched is very exciting. What you are referring to (~7000 BP) findings/claims is only one of the many findings and frankly, the tip of the iceberg.
Also, it is high time, we go 20+ level down to the bottom of the dataset anytime we hear some sensational news via TV channel or MSM articles. Otherwise we will not make significant progress.
Nilesh Oak Thank you for your response sir . I am sure in future all dots will connect perfectly .
That's a lower bound perhaps
Nilesh Oak sir did aryan invasion happened? In my state politicians argue that it did happened and they talk about DNA studies but I have seen lots of DNA researches debunking the theory but still they argue.I don't believe in that theory but what about DNA studies which supports aryan invasion?reply me sir
@The Mystrious
Politicians in this day and age are liars and idiots the two most dangerous things to be.
Those try to search and explain art and litrature are irrational because only science has proof and explainations. Art and litrature has only purpose and message.
In Ramayana, In Bala Kanda first sarga, Yuddha Kanda, in the concluding scene it is mentioned, Rama ruled the kingdom 11000 years (10000+1000). So, based on 12000 BC timeline for Ramayana, can we claim Rama was still ruling Ayodhya, during Mahabharat?
I have also seen your claim that Sri Ram born in the Sharad rutu. However, as per Ramayana, it is clearly mentioned Vasanta rutu, Chaitta masam. How would you support your claim?
ततो यज्ञे समाप्ते तु ऋतूनां षट्समत्ययु:।
ततश्च द्वादशे मासे चैत्रे नावमिके तिथौ।।1.18.8।।
Many individuals who lack scientific acumen, logical reasoning and Vypati-Jnana have indeed made such foolish conclusions.
For your second question, you have to read Valmiki Ramayana and my books, multiple times.
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Kindly read the Book " The Book That Made Your World " by a great Indian Philosopher Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi to know more about the Scientific Development in India compared to the Christian
Countries.
IF THE PEOPLE SHIT AND PISS IN THE RIVER---THE PEOPLE DOWN RIVER WILL COME AND HAVE A TALK TO YOU BIG TIME.
It has been mentioned that Raam lived 11,000 years so Ramayan is about 17,000 or 18,000 years old.
I think it is like our granny saying the ramayana epic and concluding the story by saying " Raam thus ruled happily for further 10,000 years......." . I think it is just an emphasis....
THE RAMAYAN HAPPENNED 21 LAKH YEARS BACK.. DATS WHEN THE FIRST QUARTER OF TRETA YUG WAS :-I
And Krishna lived for 18103840119829277392818392719202010484754829019483912949311 years.
Source? Trust me bro.
Pravin Mohan has shown in one of his video on Angkor wat temple that there is a carving on one of the wall having three tusk elephant, depicting a war between Vishnu and Indra.
A QnA should be done on quran and Bible..the bitter truth will come out.
Hinduism is definitely the mother of all religions
but not Aryan invasion theory
i read rama sethu is 1.7 million years old.then how is this possible for 12000 years of this explanation?
I also read harry potter. Then how is it possible that we don't have magic???
Really weird.
I used the same logic as you.
Who is the writer of the subtitles. Totally absurd.
Minute 46:00
What is the theory ?
The theory is the time is relative. Demigods do not experience “time” the same way as humans do.
If there is a reference in the Vedas that one year has 4 yugas then the natural question to ask is whose one year ? “Whose” one year ? Lord Brahma’s ? Manus ? Demigods of Jambudvipa ? Residents of this earth ?
This is what I hate about the poos . They take everything out of context. They have no regards for the great Acharyas. They do streetshitting a lot.
BRAHMA’s life =====> 36,000 kalpa days + 36,000 kalpa nights
KALPA =======> (14 manvantaras + 15 sandhyas)x2 (days and nights)
MANVANTARA => 71 divya yugas
DIVYA-YUGA ==> 4 yugas + 4 sandhyas
4 YUGAS
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YUGA----duration----life span--average human height
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SATYA ===> 4*432,000 ==> 100*1000 ==> 48 feet
TRETA ===> 3*432,000 ==> 100*100 ==> 24 feet
DVAPARA => 2*432,000 ==> 100*10 ==> 12 feet
KALI ===> 1*432,000 ==> 100*1 ==> 6 feet
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SATYA ===> 1,728,000 ==> 100,000 ==> 48 feet
TRETA ===> 1,296,000 ==> 10,000 ==> 24 feet
DVAPARA=> 864,000 ==> 1,000 ==> 12 feet
KALI ===> 432,000 ==> 100 ==> 6 feet
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Satya Yuga ===> 4,800 x 360 = 1,728,000 human years.
Treta Yuga ===> 3,600 x 360 = 1,296,000 human years.
Dvapara Yuga => 2,400 x 360 = 864,000 human years.
Kali Yuga ====> 1,200 x 360 = 432,000 human years.
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Satya Yuga ===> 4,800 of demigods years
Treta Yuga ===> 3,600 of demigods years
Dvapara Yuga => 2,400 of demigods years
Kali Yuga ====> 1,200 of demigods years
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So yeah , 1200+2400+3600+4800=12,000 , Ramayana did happen some 12000 years ago in the estimation of time of the demigods living in Jambudvipa. At least , it was written down before it even happened by the sage Valmiki during the Satya Yuga.
Amazing info, but i would like to add up some thing if i may pls, There is major lack of presentation skills if i campare it with European's, even the things they steal are presented in such high level marketing way that u are compelled to believe them, so please if you can. Regards
Not really, go and see academic talks in the west and see how boring they are ...
@@SCohn u kidding me bro? This video got out released 2 year ago and still 59 k views, and one silly incidence in ur country n u get like millions view in no time, and u adding excuse, " go and see " i am from New Zealand u dummy thats y i know it straight, if thats ur attitude "go and see" with a denayl huh its good less n less people care what India had to offer.