This Or That: Do The 2020 Cadillac CT4 & CT5 BEAT The Germans At Their Own Game? I Drive Both!
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The brand new 2020 Cadillac CT4 and CT5 replace the old ATS and CTS in the brand's sedan lineup, but are they drastically better than the old cars? In this buddy review, Roman and Tommy drive the CT4 Premium Luxury and the new CT5 V-Series to see whether they're better than Cadillac's old sedans and, perhaps more importantly, better than their German rivals.
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The new high performance line of Cadillacs is the “Blackwing”.
How have they not heard of the Blackwing
Isiah Davis thought the same
Isn't Blackwing Robin all grown up and angsty against his dad Batman . ( JK)
ik they are spy shots of it on the road 😂
For those of you who haven’t heard about the V blackwings coming from Cadillac here is a link to their own material from their www.cadillac.com/future-vehicles/v-series-blackwing?ppc=GOOGLE_700000001297222_71700000057912580_58700005818456570_p53168046095&&d_src=3876787&d_adsrc=4568612&d_campaign=71700000057912580&d_site=GOOGLE&d_adgroup=58700005818456570&d_keyword=CT5-V+Blackwing&gclick=CjwKCAjwmrn5BRB2EiwAZgL9oiyP4AjAen11v_DLAZlclnlOZOeQYLF08zN3XNP94ylF7JwXCv6LAxoCYxUQAvD_BwE&gclid=CjwKCAjwmrn5BRB2EiwAZgL9oiyP4AjAen11v_DLAZlclnlOZOeQYLF08zN3XNP94ylF7JwXCv6LAxoCYxUQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
I really like what Caddy has done with their redesigns. The sedans, CUVs and SUVs are stunning.
Food for thought: you guys may be seeing some skewed 0-60 times. I noticed in some cars, you have to turn the wheel harder to get on the on-ramp. Plenty of stability control systems will dial back the power if you apply wide open throttle while inputting a certain angle of steering.
A simple visit to cadillac.com reveals that the ct4 and ct5 V in their current forms are replacing the V-sport of previous generation Cadillacs. The true performance cars are now under the Blackwing moniker and there is a supercharged V8 version of the CT5 coming (with a true manual transmission). You're making a review video on cars and you didn't even visit the manufacturer website for info on them? Come on. It's a pretty well known fact that there are more powerful versions of these coming. It takes minimal effort to find that out. Also who does a turning 0-60 and then gets disappointed that it takes longer than expected? Lol gtfo here 🤣
Zack exactly. If we’re having to educate these guys, why subscribe?
Wow... where to begin... I'm very disappointed with you two. First of all, the CT4 is competing in the A3/CLA-class segment. The CT5, while "replacing" the ATS and CTS, is competing in the A4/3/C-class segment, NOT the A6/5/E-class. To your Cadillac luxury complaint, I would submit that the rest of the market is doing ride and chassis tuning like the Germans so if Cadillac didn't, they wouldn't be competing. If the market didn't want that ride, nobody would make any of those cars that way. To the BMW sales point, the market is trending to crossovers; the Tesla doesn't compete with the 3-series. Remember, horsepower numbers don't tell the whole story. Power may be down but if performance metrics are the same or similar, does it matter? Your comparisons and analogies are so out of touch. You can do better. You have done better. Do your research and do better.
I agree. Definitely not there best work.
“I want to feel special while driving a Cadillac,”exactly!
When was the last time a GM product made you feel special and not like you were sitting inside a MacDonalds? lol. I mean seriously, they have gone from a luxury Resturant to a crappy plastic seated bring your own paper napkin experience.
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@@WW-wf8tu 👍🏻👏🏻
@@WW-wf8tu In other words you’re the one that’s unaware and clearly haven’t sat inside a modern day Cadillac. Next!
@@WW-wf8tu yet another European fanboy. what it is about you that somehow BMW has you convinced it's the Holy Grail of Automotive Engineering when their entire lineup just keeps getting worse with each passing year because they spent all their money on those stupid crossovers?
The CT4 V BlackWing & CT5 V BlackWing are the New top performance models for the subcompact and compact cars respectively. These models are the equivalent of the outgoing ATS V and CTS V series models from the previous generation cars.
The new CT4/CT5 V series car's are the equivalent of the outgoing ATS/CTS V Sport models from the previous generation.
The CT6 is the midsize sedan in Cadillac's lineup which will be replaced soon with a new car/suv.
Nothing like a completely bias review by negative Ned and Captain Obvious. When a critic becomes this cynical, it’s time to find another profession.
This is actually one of the most disappointing reviews I have ever seen from this channel. The next level up as other people have noted is the V Blackwing. This is well known and I’m not quite sure how an automotive channel does not know that.
richard taylor it’s actually worse than that. It’s shocking these two geniuses don’t know the CT5 competes with the 3 Series/ C- Class and NOT the 5/E Class and the CT4 competes with the CLA/2 Series not the C/3 Series.
patrickbec68 Cadillac tries to complete in between the models.
It's getting tiring with all the journalists pretending they are confused or don't understand the change to the V lineup. Everyone understands it, it's not that hard. Regular V is toned down vs. the old, V Blackwing is the new top dog. Not that hard to comprehend.
BlackGTP Exactly what I was thinking!
Not to mention the ct5v and the ct4 premium are not even close for comparison. Should have done the ct4v vs the ct5v. That would be a much more interesting review
You guy should consider researching cars before doing videos (hint, Blackwing) and hiring people that can drive for your videos.
Love the buddy reviews you guys do! You and Tommy are awesome together you may disagree but it's a very respectful debate! Love from Canada!
Did you guys miss the last two years of announcements about the Blackwing? One of the major gripes that you revisit again and again in your video is expressly baseless.
People need to get over the plastics in cars.
William Scott Check out the 2021 Escalade, it has real wood instead of plastic same as the Cadillac Lyriq
KR Cameron Which Interior do you think looks better Cadillac Escalade/Lyriq Interior or the Lincoln Navigator/Aviator Interior? Just asking
KR Cameron I agree with you that GM and Ford is making too much technology, Yeah automakers should make Electric Vehicles but I really don’t like the idea about Self Driving vehicles without an Steering Wheel which in my opinion that’s way too much.
Great video, love the cadillac CT6 V sport! 4.8L twin turbo V8, 10 speed, awd it is a fun monster!
It's a 4.2TT V8
Great job guys even tho I barely see the new gen Cadillac’s on the road even but they do look good
I ain't gonna lie, I like my 15 CTS interior better...but those new one look real nice from outside
I agree. Love my 2019 Cadillac CTS, AWD, 2.0L Luxury edition. Also love the Crystal White Tricoat with the Cashmere interior. Looks and rides outstanding!!
Felt like you guys rushed this review and were not very informed on Cadillac line up. The ct4-v and ct5-v blackwing are coming up with a lot more power...its only been on the news since last year and cadillac even put it on their website.
CT4/5 -V Blackwing are coming for 2021 or 2022
was that ct5v past is breakin where it will rev past 4k? because my ct5v sure isnt 7.5 seconds 0-60 lol , sounded very slow off the line unless the exhaust was still on tour mode
You guys should do a reboot when the mid cycle refreshes finally arrive. But this time between the CT4-V Blackwing vs the CT5-V Blackwing.
Cadillac was a comfort car. One reason elderly and those with spinal arthritis aways bought them. I just had to get rid of my truck for that reason. Was looking at Cadillac but the ride is a bit to firm now because they think everyone wants to feel the road. Not the case. All said and done I bought a jeep grand Cherokee trailhawk just for the air suspension. We will see if I should have bought the lexus instead. For now I am happy with the purchase and ride. Also the entry exit height
Great car review👍interesting when Cadillac old model came to Australia it was more expensive then luxury Holden Calais V, Holden had V6 or V8 with better head room interior then Cadillac. This makes wonder why GM didn’t reintroduce Cadillac back into Australian market after Holden dismissal?
I'll be getting a shirt this year..but not till December...low budget this summer...I like the new TFL shirts
The interiors remind me of the present gen civic / crv... I like that with the new Escalade and recent electric suv Cadillac is already making these interiors obsolete
Cool rides,loosing the V8 option kinda sucks but I’m sure a Tuner sumplace has an evil plan to get 5-6 hundred HP out of the new engine!!( I hope at least)thanks guys👍🏿
It doesn't feel like a 50k car because it's supposed to sell for like 32k
It doesn’t feel like a 50k because it’s probably only worth 15k in 5 years.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s other than tesla no luxury car holds its value, that's not exclusive to cadillac
@@Zee216 tesla is not a luxury car, it is just expensive bcs it is electric and has big range..
And btw there are luxury cars (volvos, audis, bmw, porsche, merc,...) that hold their value better than Tesla, according to google/motortrend/caranddriver/caredge... but they might be wrong, idk about that:)
@@lukazupie7220 tesla is absolutely a luxury brand
Can someone please explain to me how the 0to60 reader works. Is it via bluetooth???? Like how is it connected to the car????? Just asking
GPS
I’ve got a 2015 cts vsport. Went to dealership to get a recall done and they gave me a 2020 XT6 SUV. Don’t get me wrong it was nice and all but the leather and overall feel simply felt cheap in comparison to my CTS. Pretty disappointed but they are still killing it with exterior appearance
The chesp plastic in GM interiors is measured by acres instead of inches.
😂😂😂😂
Isn’t it the same cheap plastics found in Mercedes-Benz, Audi, Genesis, Lexus, BMW, Acura and Infiniti? Lmdao 😂
Thank you for not testing these cars wearing shorts.
These guys are both corny and misinformed
y u no example?
Only thing unique about these German-esque cars is the LED lights. Those are really cool. Glad the touchscreen is improved away from CUE, every year they seem to change the screens up. Next year it will be a whopping 33 inch screen!
It is like all the things I don't like about GM and European luxury cars in one package! Had a trimmed out rental XTS last year, and we agreed that the base model rental Challenger we had (for half the price) was overall a nicer car to be in.
I'm very disappointed in this review. I'd even suggest removing it honestly.
May I suggest TFL stick with reviewing trucks?
The higher performance version of the ct5 is called Blackwing
Your 0-60 was way off. What mode did you have it in? Was this the AWD version?
CT5-V version
WOW IT PASSED THE SNARF SANDWHICH TEST!!!
Ive actually sat in these models along with the Germans at our last Auto Show and Cadillac by far had the nicest leather. The German’s leather was just too hard and uncomfortable. The most eye pleasing dash was the Mercedes. But they all use lots of plastics, some just covered in more fake metals than others. Worked on lots of German cars and trust me their interior quality does not hold up to the AZ heat. Ive replaced countless window regulators and lock mechanisms along with trim pieces.
i agree i hate my sq5 seats, they look good but sucks in long drives
The Blackwing is coming with the 6.2. I see what they did but they should've left it as VSport and top up with VBlackwing.
Yes, the CT-5 Blackwing has been announced and will be available with manual transmission.
@@chuckgrenci6404 yessir and even the nice exhaust clips. It was a smart move but the name jumping will confuse people.
Collared shirt required. Especially when reviewing luxury cars as the T-shirts don't cut it.
You've never met Doug Demuro then lol
Great video! You guys need to dial in your 0-60 tests, that just wasn't right
Three people were in the car and new Cadillacs are very dissatisfiing
He Tommy who sits straight up all stretched out in the backseat of any car?
I believe GM said that the 2.7 L was developed specifically for a pickup truck. That tells you a lot about general motors that they stuck it in a so-called sport sedan. Also nice going changing the names; nobody knew about them before, and now even fewer people do
Kevin Barry I really don’t think performance wise it’s a bad engine at all. However with that said it’s just not the engine customers want. GM is still not listening to their customers.
But that would say the same for Fords 3.5 Ecoboost right?
yiyangcheng yes sort of.... the EcoBoost V6 is far more desirable and popular than the I4 EcoBoost engines. I think it’s safe to say that if Ford did offer in its F-150 a 2.7L-I4 along side it’s 2.7L-V6 that the V6 would far outsell the I4. Do you disagree?
The 4.2L twin-turbocharged V8 engine developed by Cadillac was specifically developed for the Cadillac CT6 (a sedan) but people have been requesting it as an option for the Escalade (truck based large SUV) since it’s debut. So what does that say about General Motor’s customers and potential buyers? Sounds like they think just like the company they’re buying vehicles from. It’s the same exact thing. The more you trolls try to bash GM for the silliest of things like this and think you’re making valid points, people are going to expose you for your ignorance.
Also, I’m pretty sure more people know about the CT4, CT5, and CT6 than they do about the ATS, CTS, and XTS. This is yet another example of a CZcams critic/troll thinking they know more or better than the cooperation. Classic. Typical TFL commenter under a GM related clip.
Sounds like y’all are forgetting the blackwing
Only $8k !!!!thats a lot .. i just bought my ct4 this week. Im happy with it.. i didnt buy my car for others to ride in it
Other testers are achieving the 4.6s 0-60mph. Not sure what happened here.
That 2.7 4 cylinder seems very interesting than GM's 2.0 4 cylinder maybe because of the big displacement or the sounds. But if I bought a car in that segment it would definitely be the Acura upcoming TLX.
Acura? Those aren't luxury cars. Might as well get a Nissan.
@@chrisl8355 looking at this caddys interior this isnt a luxury car either :D
Do the TFL slip test!
leasing would be just fine👍
There are going to be more higher performing models with the black wing V8 like the CT6 black wing.
TFL: The most american biased channel on youtube.
so true :D
How? They criticized two American cars in this video.
Huh? This is the LEAST positive review of these cars (specifically the CT5-V) I’ve seen on CZcams.
@@wesleywalls7582 I think he means they’re biased *against* American products or maybe just GM especially after they’ve pissed in Ford’s cereal 🥣 and are now trying to get back into their good graces
Is it just me or does it feel like Cadillac took a step back with these new cars
Looking to find one for a decent price currently. I hope I find one ☝️
I really appreciate these reviews. Very informative. Very helpful for decisions on whether to even consider them. You guys rock. All that being said, I think Tommy, you nailed the sentiment in the opening scenes. "The best part about these cars is the design." Because outside of the engine noise, I am with you Roman, I am not impressed. Caddy's used to be as you said about a nice comfortable, refined ride across the states. I have no idea what they are thinking today. I think you nailed it Roman. They are trying to compete with companies in the wrong way. They need to go back to building them the way they once did for the targeted genre of luxury, style and comfort.
Wait I thought the caddy cars were the "in-betweeners" and the top dog Cadillac performance name would be blackwing
Silly how Americans still think European cars are better and more prestigious, Cadillac is just as nice and looks better than any similarly priced BMW, Audi or Mercedes.
Isn’t there a ct6? That would be the top of the sedan line, no?
Air sure is thin up there! CT-4 2.7T @ 4.5 seconds and CT-5 3.0T @ 4.8 seconds - to 60 mph! Sea level, of course.
Great review !
16:16 😂😂
In future videos, if nav doesn't get you to snarfs could you try another restaurant? Maybe get a pizza or contact a pizza chain to sponsor you so when you mention a copy writed brand name you get ad revenue and not a law suit.
Cadillac has announced that a CT4-V Blackwing & a CT5-V Blackwing are coming in 2021 as 2021or 2022 Models and that both will be available with Manual transmissions. Watch and hear Brandon Vivian, Cadillac Executive Chief Engineer talk about both Blackwing Manual Models on AUTOLINE After Hours: czcams.com/video/plYB2FkULTM/video.html
The BIGG question is????...can you fix a BMW with AutoZone parts and diagnosis tools???and fix it yourself??..with Cadillac I can find 50%...parts for caddy . And nothing for BMX, so BMW owners have to pay dealer price and use dealer only mechanics???..a poor and rich American well not pay for labor!!!
Man, these cars look like serious penalty boxes! It's crazy to think for similar money you can get a Tesla Model 3 Performance! The success of these cars absolutely _relies_ on people being misinformed and outright lied to about the Model 3 and electric cars in general. The Model 3 Performance would accelerate to 60 in _under half_ the time the CT5 V-Sport did at the same elevation.
The last time I'm going to watch TFL reviews. No research done before making the video, the test driver did not drive the car as someone with a V would. There is a V Blackwing coming out soon, there is a launch mode in the car etc.
Um, neither of these cars competes in the segments they used to. The CT4 competes against the smaller class of car vs the ATS. And the CT5 no longer competes in the mid size luxury class, the CTS competed against the 5-Series and the E-Class. The CT5 competitors now are the 3-Series and A4.
The CTS had a MSRP that's $10,000 more than the CT5. In reality the CTS doesn't have a successor.
I thought I'd get a walk around...
Black and menacing? Tommy is showing his true colors.
Nice video. These luxury sedans are a dying breed. They have some of the highest depreciation of any vehicle. People want SUV's and trucks. This makes me feel old because these are the cars that my generation aspired to. I agree, the outside styling is way better than the inside. Cadillac and GM continue to miss the mark on interiors.
I don’t want SUV or trucks I want sedan and wagons and cabrio’s are really like dying sedans are my favourite
We are in the minority. I have a manual Mustang.
Blackwing. V8 with a manual
I like the ct4 look better than the ct5 personally.
But my 2016 ATS ZZP performance will smoke them both lol
Let's see some aluminum on the interior Cadillac.
CT5 Blackwing is coming....
very uninformed I'm surprised. Literally on the cadillac website they're talking about a ct5 and ct4 blackwing which are the higher peeformance models. THey're been speculated for months now
For me camry xse v6
No one wants that boring shit
That v6 in the camry doesn't perform the way it should because of the transmission so good luck wit that
@@mikeharris7261 my Cadillac with a v8 will eat these for dinner granted the dts Is not a perfomance car but it has a v8 so
Camry yea I like that too
You guys didn't even really show it, but the rear end on the CT4 is hideous. Like bad enough to prevent from buying it even if I were interested in that segment, which I'm not.
CT5 V with only 360hp? Umm no thnx I’ll get a used CTS-V. If I’m gonna spend V money I want that V performance. Informative video guys thnx
Cadillac is already testing their higher performance models which will be the successor to the previous V cars.
This isn’t the replacement for the V. That will be the “Blackwing” model.
The interior of the CT5 is better than the XT6. I’ve been in both
The CT4 is "quite expensive"? Compared to what? It starts at 32k.
Not a fanboy, but it’s clear that this review needed a bit more research
With respect to the comments at 11:20 , Cadillac wants to sell to more than just Americans, hence the reason for the racetrack testing and the need for their cars to be able to turn.
Cadillac should stick to performance luxury. You want a long distance cruising machine? Shop Buick.
Cadillac should release a vehicle more akin to a Dodge Charger. I agree with Roman's gripe about GM's attempt to emulate German designs. Such obvious benchmarking directs my attention at the "real deal" in the way that imitation is a form of flattery.
Time to develop something authentic.
You can always tell the people that have never stepped foot into a modern day Cadillac. This _is_ the real deal. They drive, look, and feel better on the road than the best from Europe at these price points.
GM is crazy as hell with their prices
Yeah, but these are the 'list prices', not the prices you'll pay after all the GM discounts and negotiating.
The CT5 does not replace the CTS
I kinda like the styling, I will wait 1-2 years and get a good low miles used one for $24,000. Cadillac resale value sucks.
Bruh where’s the ct6?
No... they aren't a better looking car than a 5 series
Lot's of misinformation here as others have pointed out the Blackwing is coming. In addition in the real world a BMW 540i with X-drive is typically $67K or more. Almost seems that you guys tried to make the Cadillac look bad. I think it is totally cool of you don't like it but don't use extreme cases to validate your opinion. You guys are typically better than this!
Come on, Pops! If Cadillac went back to the "American Luxury" theme, they'd go under in a matter of years. NO ONE is buying those types of vehicles in car form. How can you look at the current market and make that statement?
The interior is dated. The price can buy more with another brand.
I keep watching all those CT5 videos (nice review BTW) because a variant of it is on my short list of cars to get next year. I think it looks absolutely fantastic. BUT. It is in no way a German competitor, at least not on the level it's being implied. If I had the money for a 5-series, this Caddy wouldn't even be on the horizon. "Ah! so you don't have the money for a BMW; here, a much cheaper just as good alternative". Lol, no. We may be able to produce cars on the cheap(er) but it's not because we're better. Quality and performance still costs x-amount of money, brand-sucker markups notwithstanding. The primary reason our stuff is cheaper, is because we cut corners. A lot of corners. Also, there's no such thing as American Luxury; that ended some time in the 60s when America was still growing, innovating and most of the rest of the world poor as shit. It is just luxury or not now. "American Luxury" for a long while now has been synonymous with tacky interiors, plentiful but cheap amenities, wallow ride and god-awful build quality. Lincoln tried with their Continental. Beautiful concept, nice attempt, hardly anyone bought the final product, and now it's dead. Nobody wants "American Luxury", not in the least those who can afford it. And this CT5 is not a luxury car; it's not a performance car. It's just a nice (hopefully good) car at its intended price-pint and size. Anyhow, I'll have mine in Royal Spice Metallic which I'm hearing Cadillac may drop for next year. Oh FFS.
choosumfat I’d suggest driving one before proclaiming this isn’t a German sports sedan competitor. I own a 335i manual and a current gen B9 Audi S4, and having test driven the CT5-V, I was thoroughly impressed. It’s a brilliant car, in spite of this mediocre video. The reviews are largely super positive about the car. I’d suggest reading Motor Trend’s review in particular.
Correction: Nobody wants American luxury from *Lincoln.* They have no clue what luxury performance is. If they did, the Lincoln Continental would’ve been RWD not the 7 passenger family hauling Lincoln Aviator. Lincoln, Tesla, and Cadillac aren’t t one in the same. You cannot generalize American luxury and claim Americans in general are lost. Wallow is a characteristic of a fat, heavy, FWD, Lincoln Continental. Test drive a Cadillac CT6 and wallow is the furthest thing from your mind.
To say our stuff is cheaper because we cut corners, yet y’all praise brands like Genesis/Hyundai/KIA for offering all these features and interiors that LOOK the luxurious and upscale part but there’s zero skepticism about the quality control there especially at their price points? That makes zero sense. Americans are just silly. Period.
Just look at where we are. Lincoln is the only Luxury marque that's basically taking a different approach...they have no cars and, essentially, no performance oriented vehicles. They have some potential powertrians, but not a single vehicle with any real performance aspirations. That's about as "American Luxury" as you're going to get.
A big 4 cylinder in a luxury car? You back in the 1930s they would put V12 and V16 engines in luxury cars for a reason. The more cylinders you have the smoother it runs, not only that but the smaller the cylinders the smoother it is. So a big 4 cylinder is going to have lots of vibration and noise. Not ideal for a luxury car is it? I'm a GM guy but maybe GM was smart for getting out of the car game, maybe they should just stick with trucks.
@Der Schwindel Well its not so much about power and more about smoothness. People who drove the CT6 with the 2.0 said it ran very rough and was not befitting of a car of that sort. So a much larger 2.7 liter in a smaller cheaper car will be very rough most likely. Maybe i'm wrong, they didn't say that it was rough in this video or maybe i missed it.
Reviewers are never happy
I think Cadillac is floundering a bit with its lineup. That acceleration on that GM V6TT was disappointing.
Smarticus driver error, in combination with AWD, 3 people and filming at a high elevation. This car will do a high 4 second 0-60 run. Don’t let this video fool you.
The CT4 0-60 is way off! The ATS with the 3.6 and an 8 speed at sea level is running mid 5 seconds to 60. How is the CT4 doing a 7.4 0-60 when it’s a turbo charged engine has a 10 speed auto and has 65 pound of torque more than a ATS!!! Sure it’s a mile above sea level but it’s turbo charged and has way more torque!!! Those numbers should be closer🤷🏻♂️
Gm definitely took 2 steps back with the new Cadillacs. Why keep changing the names of the cars. They should have kept the previous names for familiarity. These 2 don't even know what class each car compete in. For example the Escalade has a name that people identify with. The average driver don't know the difference between a CT4 and CT5, so it loses brand recognition.
No way I would ever buy one of these over a Mercedes, Audi or BMW. There is only 1 car I would buy over the Germans if i want a luxury storts sedan, a Kia Stinger GT.
I’d buy any German over that
The singer is not a luxury car😂🤦🏻♂️ it’s just a sports hatch
@@bobbyyy. still better than these Cadillacs
Alex yea better than Cadillacs but not than Germans
george ibrahim For sure better than CT4 and CT5 but man the CTS V-sport with the morello red interior was🤤