What Really Went Wrong On Castle
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- čas přidán 14. 07. 2024
- The ABC show Castle was quite popular for a while, but it ended up getting canceled after eight seasons on the air, despite some talk of a Season 9. There were a lot of factors in play as to why the mystery drama was brought to a close, from drops in viewership to the alleged on-set drama, and we’ve got all the details for you.
From the disastrous shakeup the show went through in Season 8 to the actors who wouldn’t have returned for Season 9, let’s take a look at the details of what really went wrong on Castle.
#Castle #ABC #TVShow
Stana Katic was kicked off the show | 0:00
Tamala Jones got the boot, too | 1:09
The show had changed too much | 1:34
Did Fillion and Katic hate each other? | 2:15
Ratings were sluggish | 3:01
New showrunners were brought in | 3:40
The show could not survive the negative press | 4:20
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It was literally, one of the best series ever and they ruined it... Such a shame ! They strayed from the original story which was, a lighthearted romantic comedy with awesome twists to the murders...
I agree. I loved it, even the storyline with hunting Beckett's mom's killer. But they jumped the shark with 6x23 & could never fully recover. There was a slight rebound season 7, but season 8, especially after the breakup, that sent it straight to teh trash can. I knew then it would be cancelled unless they tried to go back to good storytelling with Caksett together.
Angela McQueen I agree with everything you said ! !
I actually loved all the seasons,the best show ever for me
The writing in the final season was abysmal, with Beckett leaving Castle right after they finally got married. The "Beckett's Mother" story line got real old for me, especially when Beckett's old FBI teammates were all killed, and Beckett was warned that if she continued, it was all on her. I thought she should have quit the hunt at that point. I believe that's why she left Castle - to keep him safe from the harm she was going to cause. But choosing her long dead mother over her new husband was a mistake that killed it for me.
Also, I don't believe for a second that Fillion and Katic hated each other. I would bet they had 1 fight in which Stana cried. Happens during all close relationships. How many former Serenity actors had guest appearances on Castle?? Gina, Summer, Adam... You don't offer that if you're an a$$hole on set. And you don't accept that invite if the inviter was an a$$hole on set.
I put the show's demise solely on the horrific writing in the final season, and the producers wanting to take the show in another direction that just wouldn't work.
@BartJ583 I definitely agree with what you said !
Actually Beckett was always an integral part of the show. Castle without Beckett is like Bones without Booth.
agree! but i like the way season 8 ended you don't know if they lived or really died as it skipped to them with twins and another kid....
That big, "Seven Years Later" tag when the kids come in means that they lived. :)
The Brady Bunch brought in Oliver too. Trying to save a dying show is as old as television. It never works.
lol....agreed 100% Booth and Bones now the best tv couple team. That sucked what they did to Castle...I sensed this after season 6...it seemed Katic wasn't that into the show anymore
She and Nathan were not a real couple - the writers were great at creating an illusion of closeness and caring - the business-like approach from Nathan on her exit suggests that they were business workers who tolerated each other. The rumors that Fillion was a "bully" to Katic is unsubstantiated, since no one on record is talking about the behind-the-scenes. There were some larger plot points that seemed stale to me over the last couple years - like the writers and show runners were having a problem with further developing the characters of Castle and Beckett - let's get married - have kids - and live happily ever after. Oh, let's disappear on your wedding day, show-up months later, with amnesia - and drag people along for a season - without fully explaining what happened, until its convenient to remind people that their is still a mystery to be solved months later. Not inspired writing. Very artificial and forced. And it seemed that neither character knew how to behave after jumping-the-shark. Would you, in real life, ever be able to get over being dumped at your wedding, and the person shows up months later with amnesia and no explanation of what happened or why - would you continue solving crimes with that person, let alone want them around you. The show sank because the quality of the writing went down hill.
Castle without Beckett is nothing. Their interplay was everything, that's why I loved the show.
Its the otherway around too tho. Without Castle it wouldnt have been anything special either
The show went 8 full seasons. That's a success by any TV standard, so there's no reason for Looper to paint the fall of the show as it having 'gone wrong.'
@@rsmllc2 And yet it did go wrong -- very wrong. Looper's not the only ones to point it out.
Michael Cloyd
10 days ago (edited)
Same thing happened with the show Moonlighting with Bruce Willis and Cybil Sheppard. The sexual tension between the characters Maddie and /David made for good stories... That ended with them "getting together" and the show went downhill. Once the Castle and Bekett, "got tother" the show went downhill.
@@hambone5718 The Nanny ...
I still contend that Beckett was the hero and Castle the comic sidekick.
Absolutely.
Nathan Fillion is no sidekick.
that where all this great tv series went bad.. they forgot what the title was! Would you give a title to a movie Thor, and give all the screentime to Loki or some other unknown actor or actress in this case? Who was Stana Static? and who came to watch Castle because of her honestly...
Nilz, me for one! And everyone I've talked to about it. It was always about the interaction between Castle and Beckett. Take that chemistry away and the show is/was done.
Like in the same way Tim Allen was a comic sidekick on Home Improvement?
Sometimes the comic "sidekick" is the main character.
when you title a video "what really went wrong..." people assume that you're actually going to shed some light on truth among the speculation. an expose of sorts. this was literally just compiling the various theories people have made... disappointing.
+youtubaholic, Exactly. Well said.
for a youtube acholic you should know that these types of videos are only speculations, and rumors. If there was definite proof of what happened then you wouldn't be watching it on Looper. C'mon now.
+Rebecca S you replied as though youtubaholic makes me some sort of expert on misleading CZcams content rather that the pure addiction to CZcams it's meant to imply. But regardless, there are plenty of expose videos out there as well so you'll excuse me if I am one of those few people who actually take a video title at its word from a reputed channel like looper.
Most of the points were not speculation, though. Falling ratings are fact. Stana getting fired was a fact. Bad press was a fact.
I agree. I hate when videos don't have real explanations and just go:
"This is the end result. Someone said this. Did this happen? Did that happen? You tell us in the comments."
Stana Katic and Nathan Fillion had the most amazing chemistry on screen....Its really hard to believe there were tensions between them.Being a die hard Castle fan for years...Its not fair.
I guess they were very, very good actors to not let it show on camera.
I think they dated in real life and it went sour...why they ended the show!they could no longer work together...
@@angelight677 well, that explains a lot...
@@angelight677 Correct, they did date, seasons 2-5 with it going bad mis season 5 shooting (You can see when it happens in how much more time the show has Nathan and Stana apart on in investigations solo or with Ryan and Espo.)
@@backtoearth1983 sad..it’s why co-workers should not date!she seems like a sweetheart ,him not so much kinda full of himself..
Castle, the near perfect show, ended after season 7 as far as I'm concerned. The 8th season was a complete disaster. It took seven years to build their relationship and the writers destroyed it in the first episode of season 8. Excuse me? What idiot came up with that idea? The show was named Castle but Beckett was the main character for the whole time. The idea of not bringing her (and, for that matter, Tamala Jones) back for season nine was total lunacy. Fortunately, with the first 7 seasons on DVD, I can watch the near perfect show as many times as I want.
I agree season 7 was a little ropy but season 8 killed the show
I do know one thing. When they turned Castle into the village idiot who caused the eyes of every other character in his general vicinity to roll whenever he opened his mouth, and had Becket acting like a beleaguered mom who just doesn't know what to do with her precocious child anymore, any cast camaraderie went out the window. Along with the ratings.
As a matter of fact, thinking how season seven ended, that would’ve been an absolutely perfect way to end the whole series.
Agree
I agree 8 season was disaster
"Things went wrong" well before Katic's firing in Season 9. New show runners in Season 7/8 changed everything from the wardrobe to characterizations, and dramatically increased the soap opera elements of abductions, memory loss and on-again-off-again relationships for no rational reason. The fact that Ryan was no longer the always-on-point snappy dresser he had been for 6-7 seasons was a subtle hint that things were going to go downhill fast.
As far as I'm concerned Beckett was the strong main character. She was wonderful through out the whole series.
@@fionanicolson2021 - OMG, if I had to hear her say "Babe" one more time...urk.
They didn't stay faithful to the serious and they just pushed things way too over the top. Some light-heartedness and fun is essential especially to a show like Castle but they just went way too far. I couldn't help it after that, I just tuned out. it was too bad . Running 8 seasons is great, they had a fantastic run but it's too bad that they had such a dumpster fire of a last season. unfortunately it's really not unique though. If you notice most shows find it very difficult to maintain the same level of quality all the way through especially in the last season or several seasons. Sometimes the cast gets tired, or they bringing new showrunners like in this case or something else changes and it just ends up going south for the show.
I believe the exit of the | Andrew W. Marlowe resulted in a fall in the quality of the series and his successors did not have the necessary ability and creativity to maintain the quality of the series
@@andlucs !! dear god the early seasons writing can never be topped though..the wit, back and forth, and chemistry between the whole cast was amazing
It began to die when Castle "disappeared"
That's about the time I stopped watching because I couldn't bear this show starting to suck.
+A most excellent dude who is totally not bogus! they did wrap it up. it had something to do with al Qaeda.
thats what i thought too and a couple other things even before that becaus its weird i felt the switch in the atmosphere even before i knew andrew was no longer the writer it was that noticeable
that was the dumbest plot line ever, and I was angry that they would do something that was a hook to grab ratings but actually set the show back., They had no idea what they were doing and it showed. It reminded me of Lost, and how they had no idea how to tie the show up because they hadn;t thought it through. Dumb writing, dumb plot and worse, the new showrunners thought we wouldn't notice.
after the origional writers left the show went down hill.
I LOVED Castle for the first three seasons. But once they started to make Castle more like a cop and it became like a regular procedural, I started to lose interest.
What made the show great initially, is that you had a writer out of his element that could still hold his own because of his deduction skills. Yet he was clearly not a cop, had his own life as a writer, etc..
Your comment is excellent, in my opinion. The first seasons also were comedic. As some shows run, they often lose this, as was the case with House.
Ryan Deffley
I agree and also really like your comment! Castle's innocence, charm, whimsy and child-like fantasy is what made the show so fun and unique. But sadly those traits melted away over the years. It was hard to take things seriously once he became a P.I. and was almost a 'rival' to Beckett and her team. And I got very confused once Castle disappeared and there were all those deep plots. I still don't really understand what happened and how that affected things!
@@MrMaenambeach Good point.
Season 4 was arguably the best of all
I totally agree... The first three seasons perfectly showed the sexual tension between the protagonists, from the fourth season the show went into a kind of romantic path in order to sediment the feelings of both. And as much as the season was very good, it was a little distant from what the series represented.
I miss this show so much. Seasons 1-5 were an amazing piece of tv history
there's always reruns
Hulu is a saint!!!
What killed Castle was the rotten cliffhanger and stupid storyline that had Rick in an accident and abducted. Give me a break. I almost didn't come back the next season because I was worried these jerks would do it again. When they start using cliffhangers, they get greedy.
Until then, I thoroughly enjoyed the show and looked forward to it every week. However, my life is not so sad that I have to spend a summer worrying what happened to a main character. I never gave a toss about who shot JR and I haven't changed . Nor do I care what kind of garbage the media rags choose to send out about supposed behind the scenes interactions.
A lot of people were furious about the cliffhanger and expressed it on social media. Many of them were done with the series and meant it. I personally dvr'd the next season and did not watch it until I was sure there were no cliffhangers. Sadly, I could do nothing about the lousy abduction story or the equally idiotic "pretend to be apart to save his life" story.
AGREED! It got annoying to watch that storyline...
That's where it started to go south
Yeah, that was definitely the shark-jump moment.
@@JasonSimonEDU frfr
For real.
So in other words you have no clue why the show was cancelled !
Heh exactly!
They stated a few facts, one is the exit of Stana which is one of the main characters, Sluggish ratings and New showrunners. This reasons can sometimes result in cancellation.
😂😂😂😂
After Castle disappeared on his wedding day (and the weak storyline behind that stupid plotline), I lost interest in the show. It stopped being about cases, and the main characters, and became a show about The Big Bad. The Big Bad is what shows turn to when they've run out of ideas.
NATHAN Fillion ist a bad guy und stupid man, Stana ist the best and beautiful woman and a big star 🍁🍁🍁🍁🍁🍁🍁😘😘😘
Agreed.
Uhh, Buffy the Vampire Slayer? Every season has a big bad and it was one of the best written to shows out there
Yess..I'm agree..the stories became boring and unbelievable
@@UnfunnyJ0CK castle's wedding disappearance is where i lost interest. 'buffy' went on too long. should have ended after the high school graduation [sure a few episodes were good but those were and exception] much the same with 'bones'
I miss Stana! I hope a new show is her future.
Dale Asay she‘s on Absentia now
Look for her in Quantum of Solace Bond movie
8 years is a pretty good run =)
This was a great show....but by the season 5, 6, 7, 8 it was getting very weak. After all Castle and Beckett's nemesis were taken care of, there was no motivation for the characters anymore. And the actors were getting lazy with their scripts. Nathan Fillion was getting serious fat and out of shape, he couldn't even chase anybody anymore. Stana Katic is a great actress, but she didn't seem invested in the show anymore, plus she got promoted to Captain, what about Lieutenant? never promoted her homies Javier and Ryan. Especially after she avenged her mom's murder.Castle's dad mysteriously disappears again. Alexis is a private eye, why? Stay in school kid. Random sidekick to Castle is too hot to be involved with these stories in real life.
A good run, but as I see it, Season 7 finale was a seriously fitting ending to the whole series. I'm watching Season 8 now (cause I had to take a break) and I see what people are saying. Like goddamn...
Agree 8 yrs is a good run. Really dont see the point in this video. A lot of series only go for 5yrs.
Show kind of nosedived after Castle getting kidnapped right before his wedding.
@@windsofpassion yep, this was the turning point for me
Castle died for me when their first wedding got cannceled due to Nathan being kidnapped. There was too much buildup only to ruin it through that. From this video, it seems, the problems only got worse after that.
Yeah it felt like a ratings grab. Plus the explanation for missing time was kind of stupid. As in, not really explained except to say it's too dangerous and somewhat related to something they were kind of investigating. That's where the show really lost me. Oh and the fact that Alexis somehow could do school full time, work as a PI full time, teach English as a Second language, and still have time to run around with the police to help her dad... Yeah.... even in TV land... It was just bad writing. The entire season :(
They should've been married in season 7, the kidnapping was dumb, then season 8 tanked because they couldn't make up their minds which led to them forcing an outcome. Too many bad writing calls, wouldn't have happened if Castle had, had it's OG writers & creators. Andrew Marlowe always liked telling a story and made sure it was great, him and rob bowman both did great.
I lost all interest at this point, it was such a stupid, stupid move. I did not bother to watch what came next, they wanted to throw away the show? This was when they jumped the shark. I still enjoy the earlier shows, but.....
Khress Dota dumb ass writers, directors and producers. jusy like v the sipid netds that work for microsoft, adobe, google, bing, no common sense, always gottta be throwing crap in the game in the name of improvement, ha.
That's when I lost interest too. It got all weird and confusing.
The main thing I'm going to miss about the show is Kevin and Javier. They were the only reason I tuned in the last few seasons.
They should make a spin-off of those two. Prequels or something.
I would so watch that, however I know that that will likely never happen.
It's technically implausible to make a prequel after the actors visibly aged in the 8 years, making them approx. 10 years older than they had to be for a prequel. I don't think the roles could be recast, i don't think anybody would watch a couple young actors trying to ape the two established characters. On the other hand, a show where the same two actors act nominally different characters is just a recipe for disaster, it will invite comparisons where every similarity AND any difference will be seen as a detriment.
But a sequel is possible. Notice, the last episode of Castle effectively killed off the main characters, though with a degree of ambiguity. Say they are dead. Imagine Detective Ethan Slaughter (Adam Baldwin) makes Captain and gets transferred to the 11th to replace Beckett. Imagine every single time, Slaughter would get the wrong guy, Ryan & Espo must clear up the crime against their superior's orders and judgement. Being short on official resources because of that, they enlist the help of PI Alexis Castle and her assistant Hayley Shipton :) With time, Slaughter gets to see the true way, and Castle Investigations plays an increasingly smaller role, lending more screen time to Ryan & Espo.
it's the 12th precinct not the 11th
The whole premise of wrapping the entire series around just two characters began to be a mistake as soon as it became evident that they didn't get along. Additional personalities should have been written into the script over time with occasional subplots for each of them. Fillion probably would have pitched a hissy because he then wouldn't have been top dog and wouldn't have the chance to chew up every scene with his most magnificent presence. However, it would certainly have toned down the ever-present tension between the two main characters and given the series some addition life with Kevin and Javier. Both were great characters and added much to the series.
"They" never figured out what actually went wrong.... it wasn't the people on the show.... it was the fact that "THEY" kept pulling Castle and Beckett apart instead of letting them have a NORMAL and loving relationship.
@ Beverly Dishman - spot on... Writers forgot how to write...
the actors couldnt stand being in the same room with each other...that's why they had to write them 'apart'...
U have a point cuz I felt the same way too. I'm just reasoning that since they were not really getting along behind the scenes that the writers might have thought it would be a bad idea to have them do kissing more and having bedroom scenes.
@@rocky-o that's exactly it. Things between the two of them were so bad they needed their doubles for the few romantic shots they had. Sad
@@rocky-o think they broke up in real life ..and she got married!could of been the issue ..
As much as I enjoyed the two characters getting together. It seemed they started writing Becketts character different. She seemed to become a bit silly. I hate to think that she was bullied like the story implies. I really dug her, she was the reason I watched the show.
I's heard, and more importantly, read that they couldn't get along because of acting style differences.
idk ive followed nathan for years hes a favorite actor and person of mine and i just cant see him being a bully hes known for standing up for ppl especially women
And I can't see Stana "going to her dressing room to cry". I think she is a lot stronger than that
Amy Stone agreed
+Amy Stone I'm glad someone finally said that!!!!!!! Cause I can't see her doing that either!!!!
The only true fact is, we'll never now the actual truth. Only rumours.
I like him too but you have to remember that majority of the actors are nothing like their on-screen personas. We see only a small glimpse of their personality. Besides , if the rumor is true, then she's endured him for more than 8 years. Isn't that strong enough?
Hard to imagine that Nathan Fillion is a bully to her...
agreed! Mr. Fillion is awesome
Funny how they can skew things on preference. What I heard was that Stana was very hard to deal with. Nathan Fillion is at this point a legend based on Firefly alone and we all saw the outtakes from that show and he had everyone busting up laughing all the time.
That's my biggest problem with any theory based around that rumour. Fillion has never once shown any sign of being a bully. Look at all the other people that he's worked with and it's never come up once, not anywhere. If anything they all say he's great to work with, very generous and likeable.
I don't get the whole 'they hate each other' thing either. People say they can see it on screen but I've never seen it. I can get behind them maybe not being best buddies and sticking strictly to being colleagues, but that's not the same thing. Sarah Michelle Gellar was apparently like that on Buffy as it was work to her, nothing more. Maybe Katic was the same and some people read it the wrong way, like with SMG.
Well Nathan Fillion is known to be a bit of a prankster and likes to make fun of everything. But some people doesn't have much of a sense of humor which could create a friction that eventually escalates into bad relationships.
That would make sense with the sentence in this video "...just wanted to get in there and do her job." which sounds more like someone is trying to be all serious about it instead of having fun with shooting which is exactly what Nathan does.
Well, nobody knew the real face of America's sweetheart Bill Cosby until recently so....
Not saying that Nathan is like Cosby, but just that there's always more than meets the eye.
"had become integral"?
she NEVER "became" integral...she was 50% of the show from the get go.
Why didn't they simply let Castle and Beckett get hitched without event and have a happy, normal ending.
The producers wanted more money though. A common fault.
Add that to the fact that Nathan Fillion wanted the show to continue (and seemed to actually think it could continue) without Katic! That astounded me. How out of touch (and arrogant) do you have to be to think the show would survive without one of its two most important characters?
@@meghanmacqueen5157 i dunno i think cause he loved the show so much but that's just a guess, i wonder if any of the bad blood is actually true and i do hope it's not.
You guys know that her name is Stana and Katić is a surname?
Castle jumped the "shark" IMO when they had Castle disappear on the day of his wedding. That entire thing was too convoluted and it was a horrible story line. It never recovered from that IMO. Add to that, this season with Beckett "leaving" Castle without explaining, and then them hiding their relationship...blah blah blah...and you are just asking for failure. No way would the show have worked without Beckett. The show may be named Castle, but the show was about Beckett and Castle not just Castle.
Well that's not quite right. If you've see all episodes you know that there, indeed, was a reason behind her 'leaving' him. Although not a very creative one.
they do those stupid cliffhangers to keep people coming back if the show is good they dont need to do that real life is heard enough people like to see couples get together
They tried to turn Moonlighting into the X-FilesThe whole”Becket needs protecting,and Castle helps through a shadowy figure” .Like when Mulder would tape an “X” on the window to contact the several “Deepthroats” throughout the show.Both Moonlighting and the X-Files bombed after the Main Characters got together.
Shannon1623 I would say the same thing as well at that exact point.
Originally, the show was a lighthearted romantic comedy. The "murders" were creative. But then came the various "conspiracy" storylines......Kates Mother, Castle's Father, on and on and on. The show never got back to the original FUN! I stopped watching when the writers got stale and began recycling scripts from Law & Order and NCIS.
Agreed, the good episodes was the standalone mysteries, not the 4 episodes of solving some conspiracy that really wasnt that interesting.
that is all because this show is a detective, mystery thriller and not at all a romantic commedy, as i can see from your opinion you didnt like the show at all because it ends up you dont like thrillers
I loved the conspiracy storylines! It was so interesting to think about.
these aspects i found the most exciting! i'm watching the shiw for the fourth time atm and the case of beckets mom is coming up right nw and i find it so thrilling again
I love the Storyline of Kates mother, Castles disappearance and LokSat tho? Not so much. Interesting Premise but the story wasnt that great. The ending wasnt great either
I loved this show to pieces was saddened when it ended and felt even worse to know they didn't all get along. I wish it had continued but fact is while I absolutely adored Richard and his family the show simply could not go on without Beckett and her crew
Liked watching Castle sad it was dicontinued.Terrible last show when they both got shot
It's very rare for a show to get to 8 seasons. Those that do inevitably start to decline in writing after the 5th season. Maintaining storylines and coming up with new material often leads these shows down weird paths. I think after 5 years they say, hell with it, this is just extra money in the pocket and lose interest. Most shows strive for 5 seasons as a goal knowing how hard it is to even get there. Most shows do not. Congrats to Castle for making it to 8.
Rare, huh? Friends, Game of Thrones, Grey's anatomy , Desperate housewives, Law and order, Criminal minds, Supernatural, The big bang theory, 2 and a half man, Bones, Murphy Brown, Married with children, Modern family, Will and Grace, Everybody loves Raymond, How i met your mother, One tree hill, Mama, House, Mad about you, The vampire diaries, just to name a few....
Six seasons and a movie!
Castle got cancelled?!
that's what i'm saying.
Surprised me too!
Then, You Tube surprised me by jacking me around when I tried to sign in to comment.
Pat McBride google is the best. i'm so happy they bought youtube. NOT.
where have you been?
Obviously, I have been in a cave at an "undisclosed location" and only watching episodes form my DVR.
I'm happy they end the show after 8 seasons.... it will be ridiculous Castle without Beckett....
I agree no Beckett would make no sense!
.....Angela Margaret Cisneros ........Mecedes Cisneros ................
Stana and Nathan are good on their job...who can imagine they hate each other..... Nathan disliked Stana, as they said....... they have a wonderful chemistry on Castle
+Avec Aastha on screen chemistry doesn't always mean that the actors are friends or even like each other, I've heard for years that David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson didn't get along at all, but on screen would think they loved each other...I'm sure there others but they are just a great example.
Shawn Tetlow They are all professional .... I remember on ALIAS, when Jennifer GARNER brook up with her co-star Michael VARTAN.... everything changed between the 2 characters ... no more chemistry...
To me there is no Castle without Stana!
Totally agree !!!
@@krisnaman7243 I say Nathan and Stana should judt talk out what happend
There's no castle without nathan
Agree
It wouldn't be castle without her!!! My favorite show EVER! Still watch reruns after reruns, wish they didn't ruin it!!!
It's so funny to me, people's obsession with oversimplifying what may have gone wrong between Katic and Fillion. It's always she's at fault, or he's at fault. It's never that simple. Both of these people are always said to be really awesome, considerate human beings, so if something went wrong in their relationship (which is only speculation stirred up by "anonymous sources") it doesn't mean one or both of them are assholes, it just means shit happened. You can be an amazing person and not see eye-to-eye with another amazing person because of reasons. Happens literally all the time.
Stana's rep confirmed it was gossip that they didn't get along. I think people assumed things & want their moment of "fame" by making up rumors :(
It doesn't help at all that vulture gossip reporters who never even watched, let alone wrote about 'Castle' before this have suddenly been all over covering the "scandal" just to get more site hits. They're preying on people who want to place blame, but if you're paying attention to their reports, they only ever reference the same old, tired "sources" from weeks and weeks ago. No new bullshit has come out of the woodwork. Not to mention these reporters can barely even get the facts straight when it comes to the show and its actors. The guy narrating this vid can't even pronounce Stana's name right! It just goes to show, they don't know what the hell they're talking about, they just know people love the drama and they're willing to feed it because that's their job.
lol u do know reps make sure to make their clients look good, scandals arent good in this industry
I suggest throwing him in the jet engine, I had witnessed engines being really good to break uncooperative people.
If they were indeed not having a feud between each other, then she herself should confirm it. I don't believe what her rep said to be true. Their jobs are to lie to the fans. I believe Stana had enough of the Beckett character. She didn't seem to take it too seriously in the disastrous eighth season. Take a peek at her résumé. She hasn't been in anything worthwhile other than a bunch of crappy B-movies and a few minor TV appearances. Obviously, she must have offended _somebody_ in the biz. "Castle" was her moment to make it big. It doesn't seem as though anybody's lining up to hire her for major roles. "Castle" should have ran as long as "Bones".
Never heard a bad word said about Nathan Fillion until this Castle stuff.
No one is perfect, even usually good people have that one person in their life they just can't stand to look at.
DeepbloodFang
Yeaaap. Maybe that's what happened here. It's interesting how often those "hot couples" you see in movies and TV are made of actors who can't stand each other in real life. I guess it's a testament to their professionalism they were able to pull it off for 7 and 1/2ish seasons.
If anyone is a normal male and couldn't stand looking at Stanic, well, I'd have to wonder.....
Buckaroo543 I doubt that they are both hetero.
Dan Kelly
Umm no one else in this thread was talking about what Stanic looks like. She's hot looking. We were talking about how actors may not get along with each other personality wise. Some people just clash, way of the world, hot or not.
Its weird how Nathan was 'mean' to Stana, when Molly still seems pretty close with him, I feel like their falling out must have gone much deeper than him being just straight up mean to her. I'd love to know what really went down between them all
Did they have a fling?
I don't think it's our business.
The most recent stories I've seen say that it was a difference in preperation styles. Stana is a perfectionist who wants to have everything nailed down before the cameras start rolling, while Nathan wants to walk in and "let the scene flow". After seven-plus years of this, it got to the point where they couldn't talk to each other off camera without blowing up. There's also a quote floating around that implies that Nathan called Stana an "arrogant c**t that no-one actually likes." as part of one of these blowups.
@@markeddy9169 damn, what Nathan said was really hurtful, anyone would get emotional over that. Sad to see that two grown ups couldn’t come to an agreement in the end. I really loved Castle
@@markeddy9169 Sorry but who wrote these things? These cited by whom are they reported? The acting style has nothing to do with this in my opinion, otherwise you don't act with a person for 8 years for many hours a day and you don't get that chemistry that Stana and Nathan had on screen. In the workplace it happens to have disagreements with colleagues and it probably happened to the two of them too. I only believe what was said of the people directly involved or of those who worked side by side with them, like that of Tamala who said "if Nathan didn't have a girlfriend you would think that Stana is". They had a beautiful relationship, which perhaps went beyond friendship. They had gone to a Duran Duran concert together in 2008: Stana had posted the ticket. They did interviews in which she sang to him and where the two looked at each other with heart-shaped eyes. These are real things, which you can see, there are videos. And I assure you that I am not a visionary: you can see well when two people are physically attracted.
I came here expecting new, concrete facts about what went wrong.
Left knowing the same info.
Must be just me, but with all the crap they're putting out today, I thought Castle was funny and very well written. So, it seems my TV viewing time will be cut by 1 hour.
I am saddened too, friend. Castle isn't my favorite show or anything, but I like the quick wit and sarcasm of the characters. Now what will fill the void?
Well I’m replying after 5 years 😂 but I love castle I love al the seasons and I still didn’t saw season 8 and now I’m so scared of what is happening in that season. Ik a lot hate this season and I’m so sad that they didn’t got along really good and it’s literally so sad bc I love them so much and I’m scared to watch S8 but In person I liked the storyline with her moms killer or whatever he was I thought is was interesting same for the kidnapped storyline with castle but I feel so bad that they hated each other offset lol I want to Cry
I never heard of them not getting along behind the scenes. In fact, I didn't hear of it until it was official that Castle was ending. Up until then, I've always heard that they were really good friends off screen. So, rumors will be rumors...I won't believe it until I see/hear the actors themselves say it.
Everything I can see is based on one anonymous source with no backing evidence. Everyone else has been pretty professional and quiet about it.
What gets me is that so many people jump on Fillion for being a bully. He's had a reputation of being great to work with and great to the fans. This bullying also started recently. No one jumps to her doing something, or possibly Fillion having a mental problem. Bullying doesn't just happen. There's a reason of some kind. And sudden irrational anger can be caused by a problem in the brain.
Most likely, Katic was getting tired of the show. It lasted 8 seasons. That's a pretty good run. There's not that many that last that long. She may have wanted to quit, but didn't really know how. Her character IS a major factor of the show.
Fillion could have given her an out by quitting himself. He's used to being on Fox shows that don't last more than half a season. Having a successful show lasting this long just confuses him. He probably understood the show was what it is because of katic.
Publicists never allow their clients to tell the truth... it just doesn't happen in this industry.
I don't know anything about the rumors, but the idea that, "bullying doesn't just happen" is false. Bullies are angry and insecure people who pick on whatever target they can get away with. Let's use some caricatures: the "dumb jock" picking on the smart kid who isn't that physically strong. The smart kid is just being herself/himself, but the jock feels inferior because this person is smart - so the kid is walking down the hallway after a class and the jock shoves the kid into a locker. You don't have to have done anything to a bully in order for a bully to decide you're the source of their frustration or that you're the one they want to pick on.
The fact that Marlowe left and the show went in such a completely different direction from his vision suggests that someone really just didn't want the show to be about Caskett anymore - which for him was always the central story. It's what ran the show from day one. Katic was a huge Caskett shipper. If she wanted to leave it would be because the show was no longer a "love story wrapped up in a procedural."
Ultimately it was the choice by ABC Studios to take the show in this new non-Caskett direction that destroyed it. They tried to make Beckett's character less likable thinking that then fans wouldn't mind if Beckett was gone, but all that did was shine a light on how bad the writing was. They under-estimated the viewers intelligence. Most saw that LokSat was a poorly constructed plot done for the sole reason of splitting up Castle and Beckett. For whatever reason, ABC Studios chose not to honor the storylines of several years that had made the show popular. That was their mistake.
I agree. Several of his former co-stars have had guest parts on Castle. I don't think Fillion would have had people on who he didn't like. In fact, I'm guessing he requested that they be looked at for filling parts.
Agreed. I think rumors just build up and everyone feeds on them? Stana herself said that the rumors about Nathan and her not getting along and him bullying her are all false as well.
Castle is one of my favorite crime dramas . I watch it while working out at Planet Fitness and am laughing really hard at some of the things Castle does, and the relationship between Castle and Beckett
I loved this show,it just hurt when it ended.😳
I know. This sucks.
"What really went wrong on Castle" Here's a few substantiated facts and a metric shit ton of unsubstantiated rumors without a credited source.
Stopped Watching after the lost memory plot. If you have sunk that low, its time to go.
I stopped watching after they got that senator that killed her dad. nothing else I was interested in seeing happen.
It's worth watching the 3XK episodes past that point, the resolution of that story was far more satisfying and the overall story was far more interesting than the senator stuff
Same. That whole thing was ridiculous and made no sense. After that, just didn't have the heart to watch. I'm glad too! Cause it sounds like I wouldn't have liked what came next. (Castle and Beckett breaking up etc)
i stopped watching after the castle/beckette love story. it felt gross
+Mark Fudge What about the alternate universe episode before the wedding? That seemed as far fetched as the finale of Felicity.
This past year I bought the whole series, primarily because I was unable to watch it from the start! I always thought it was entertaining when I watch an episode here & there! My impression was it always was intended to be a romantic type drama, which then means Stana Katic was integral to the story since day 1!
Katic was the only reason I watched Castle.
We spend years seen the conflict and tension between Castle & Beckett, to me, it was dead when they got married.... really, where can you go from there? besides, makin Beckett the Captain, takes her out of the field, the most interesting part of the series.
The show went its natural course of deth, but sadly, it was prolonged artificially too long
I stopped watching shortly after they started dating...
yeah with her as captain the show was just not interesting anymore.
maybe it should have ended when she got promoted to captain.
been watching them for years too...but idk i stopped watching this season (7). It just feel...not the Castle I used to love.
+Fabiano Carlos yeees season 7 should have been the final season
Gotta say I am shocked at Fillion and Katic not being on good terms. Their chemistry on screen was spot on. That is really shocking.
Who says they're not on good terms? A source? LOL Gimme a break. It's all rumour with nothing to back it up. Believe it when/if there's actual evidence.
Considering how multiple people have come forward to say what a dick Fillion was, I'm inclined to believe them.
Amelia Bee
Would you care to provide your sources for the people who've said that? Interviews, video clips or anything like that will do. I mean it's multiple people so it shouldn't be hard to show a couple of verifiable sources. Otherwise it's pure rumour and meaningless.
+lwaves I completely agree! Drives me crazy how people jump on every rumour and believe it based on NOTHING!!! People need to grab a brain and start thinking for themselves.
CLooLoo
Yeah, it's kind of a chinese whispers type thing but with a rumour. One person starts it (for whatever reason) and they tell someone, who tells others and suddenly all these people know of a rumour but not where it actually came from. Their 'sources' are just other people posting the same initial rumour. And because it's on the internet, it MUST be true, right? LOL
I'm on Season 4 of Castle and while I loved it, it's already rapidly changed. In Season 1, Castle felt much more intelligent. While still funny, his insights felt much more useful and he seemed like a Sherlock Holmes type thanks to all of his research in crime. After that, he seemed a bit less useful to the cases and was more like the comic relief. Plus I preferred the artsy intros in Season 1 to the generic intros afterwards.
Yes. For me, the series could have ended with S4 E23 (without the bad guy's threat after the epic kiss and handholding as Kate took Castle into the bedroom, then a complete "fade to black").
Behind the scene stories and any other reason aside, the drop in viewership is a direct result of the writing/storyline. I really enjoyed the early seasons. Now I’m really enjoying “The Rookie”, sure hope the writers don’t ruin this show!
Anyone else find it hard to believe Fillion was being a bully? Isn't he reported to be one of the most mild mannered and nicest guys around?
Yea, it seems like bad press that's a little too convincing for people.
yeah its hard to believe especially since Fillion was the nice big brother figure to all the firefly cast. What Hollywood bad-mouthing can do to some people.
bozman1678 maybe he wasn't that nice to her. Maybe SHE didn't like him! Maybe they just ran out of electricity and hated the direction of the show. Anyway it was a slow burn death, and I still get to watch the good old days reruns on late night tv!
When I had first heard that he was a bully to Stana I just found it very hard to believe. I've seen him in interviews and he just seems like a really sweet goofball. So no I don't believe it.
You've dealt with people that you just can't get along with?
The CIA arc for season 8 was not stupid, but it was moving too slowly in those first episodes. I'm sure a lot of people stopped watching because of that.
nailed it
yup, me too, although I was a die-hard fan till then
yea thats where I started to get lost.
Unless it was gonna be set in that new city, it was just a waste.
I don't even know what happened with his memory missing thing.
Gerald Tarrant what they did with his lost memory was lazy and seriously disappointing.
I always enjoy the bantering when watching a new series to see where it goes. Though fighting crime was rather a premise than the focus, the two stars made watching it worthwhile. I will never forget the "surprise" party Beckett and Castle's daughter planned for him by making him believe there was a crime in progress. It was those kinds of shows that made me want more. But inevitably the focus becomes the drama/comedy itself and now it begins to feel like a soap opera instead. At that point I look for something else. It looses its appeal.
Say what you will, Castle will always be one of my favourite shows. As all good things, it came to an end, but I'm gald it was there to make me laugh when I needed it the most.
Wasn't there another source who claimed to work on Castle, who said that the bad blood rumors were bullshit? Might want to mention that too, if only to seem neutral.
And Stana's rep confirmed no bullying after the cancellation.
nathan never bullied stana and she didnt cry over it....
the two of them simply dislike each other to things that have happened between them and it escalated further because of them being polar opposites. hence why post s4 no more promoting the show together with interviews and stuff like that....all they did was come to set, shoot their scenes and leave. it came from both sides. stana dislikes him as much as he dislikes her, but they definitely didnt bully each other....
Actors that talk bad about their producers, costars, etc never get hired again. It is really hard to imagine that someone that seem as funny and easy going as Nathan Fillion on screen could be a bully in real life. Really destroys the chivalry of captain Malcolm Reynolds.
"Mercy is the mark of a great man!"
"Guess i'm just a good man!"
"Well, i'm alright..."
Chivalry? He's a bounty hunter! He merely imagines himself to be better than he is. Which is perhaps why Nathan was picked for that role, he's great at this kind of ambiguity, you see it throughout his career. This is of course not a statement about the actor as a person, i have no reliable way of judging him.
What happened between them had to be due to a personal relationship gone bad or they could have resolved things!!!!!
can i get this on netflix now? idk what people say i love castle and always will
+JasonJMist I can't if I don't have cable or a cable provider
+JasonJMist I can't if I don't have cable or a cable provider
or dont use google search , google chrome, google store, you could use Firefox, Duckduckgo and Adblockplus own website..
Netflix, to my knowledge, carries MOST dramas, but NOT the current season. Hulu I believe, does.
Yes, HuluPlus does.
The big problem with Castle was they misses the chance to change it up when Beckett went to work for the CIA. It ruined the show because it was no longer about cops drugs and murderers. It ended up becoming too much like Homeland and it wasn't what the show was about. In the end the writing was terrible in the last two seasons, but especially in 8. The last episode should have been built up like every other seasons and not forced on the fans. At the end of the day everyone involved are incredible actors especially Stana and Nathan
I'm just glad that they didn't leave any of the main killers story arc unfinished like 3XK, Vulcan Simmons, Senator Bracken / Lazarus etc
I didn't even know castle was ended.
Stana Katic was so hot
My feeling exactly!
She is still hot, if the rumors are true and Nate is a bully on set what a shame. Loved the series from the beginning.
R.I.P Castle
wilton carter How are they sexist though lol
I really hope someday they will be back , this is my favourite tv show on police theme. This duo was amazing with Castle`s jokes and Beckett`s toughness. I LOVE THIS SHOW AND ALL THE ACTORS IN IT.
It’s so sad for there to be rumours about Nathan making Stana cry. I really hope those are just rumours, he seems like a genuinely nice guy.
It's obviously just rumors
The show jumped the shark when castle was kidnapped at his wedding. It never came back to full strength and even got worse after.
This show had one of the most unsatisfying endings ever. I'd say it was even worse than HIMYM.
You can tell it was to end on a cliff hanger but then it got cancelled and so they had to do a quick scene and tag it on the end in order to "end" the show. It was stupid.
I actually never watched it. I stopped watching HIMYM second to last season I think. Then it got spoiled online so no need now. No one liked how it ended.
Did Castle become a lumberjack? If not, still not the worst ending.
It wasn't thrown together. The showrunners filmed two endings - one for if the show was cancelled and one if it got renewed. I liked the ending. We got to see the 3 kids that were predicted by the time traveler. More than likely the alternate ending involved Beckett's death. That would've been completely ridiculous. After they got together, I still enjoyed the show. It went bad when Andrew Marlow, and his wife, Terri Edda Miller, left the show. Other than them getting married - season 7 was a trainwreck. Season 8 (with new showrunners) was marginally better than 7. The LokSat thing went on way too long. All in all, I am bummed with all the press surrounding the ending of the show. My Monday's are going to be weird without it.
***** The lumberjack ending made sense to me. The entire show is about him hating the dark passenger inside him, about him wishing he was human. He tries to form "normal" relationships the entire time but sort of always felt like an outsider who doesn't deserve it (Deb, Rita, his co-workers love). When Deb died, he broke down in a way even he didn't think he could. It was different from Rita because Deb was his blood. After that he had to punish himself and the only way he could was to isolate himself so he could do no harm to others, since he blamed himself for Debra dying.
Stana Katic and Nathan Fillion were really tremendous actors who deserved Emmys because I totally bought their love story. I really do miss this show.
I don't believe Nathan was a bully, I have only heard he is a super pleasant guy from every other source.
I also can’t imagine him bullying Stana so bad that she would cry.
I can see Fillion being a bit of a joker/prankster, you can see that in the outtakes a lot, if that annoyed Stana it could cause bad blood on both sides, working on a tv show covers a lot of hours and a bit of a joke around makes the process more bearable. When I heard the news I always hoped they'd morth the show into a Castle & Castle Detectives show with Nathan and Molly, they had awesome father/daughter chemistry.
He no bully like you leave him and Stanic everyone loves them not you
Mess with Stana you messing with me
No one got the boot they left on their own to start other projects like their education mess with them you messing with me leave them alone who talks shit should be scared
They totally tanked this show this year, with their lame-ass storyline. Having the main characters break-up was the kiss of death. Somebody made a bad writing call, and the whole show (plus all its fans) suffered for it.
yepp Season 8 was atrocious. honestly some Fanfiction was way better than what the paid writers cooked up.
I thought the season 8 ending was...OK. I thought that it was a bit cheesy but sweet. And I did notice that there was something off in the series too.
They broke up? Wow, I'm not sure if I still want to buy the 8th season...
they get back together
my husband is good friends with andrew marlowe, they went to college together. what he said he was told, is that katic wanted more money, and fillion nutted up. apparently, they didn't like each other, but for the most part acted professionally, until this happened.
@tranurse = what does "nutted up" mean?
Vlugovsky went a bit nuts I think.
It was a shame the way the show ended when it did. I personally think the show started to lose its way with two show runner changes at the end of seasons six and seven. This for me disrupted the continuity of the show and took them towards their inevitable demise. Also, the mythology became too contrived and far-fetched and as a result people lost interest.
I don't really believe there was a division between Fillion and Katic. Those two had such great chemistry together that it defies belief they would hate each other in real life. Both of them carried this show even though the wheels were falling off it by the eighth season. There were still plenty of great moments to enjoy from this show, particularly the first real kiss scene at the end of season four.
When you have as few scenes as possible between the characters its pretty obvious they are being isolated from each other, because of behind the scenes drama.
@@robertivey3785 that's not at all indicative of a strain in their working relationship.
There's plenty of evidence that there was no friction between the two people - the very first clip in this video shows Stana with her pinkie finger up Nathan's nose. If she hated him then there's no way she would do something like that. Then of course you can hear her laughing at Nathan's "I'm still acting" ad-lib at the end of the video.
Stana herself recently spoke of the hurt caused by the decision to not renew her for a potential ninth season. This was a decision made by ABC and had nothing to do with Nathan, who publicly stated that there cannot be Castle without Beckett.
There's just not enough evidence to support any claims that there had been a falling out between Nathan and Stana, but there's plenty of evidence that they we getting along fine.
The real truth will probably never be revealed but I am comfortable that the rumours were false, especially considering how protective of Stana some fans were and how quick those same fans were prepared to get stuck into Nathan.
They should make a Castle prequel. About Beckett growing up dealing with anger, helplessness about her mums murder, joining the academy, life as an officer, efc etc
They did.. its called Absentia haha
Even though I liked his daughter and Hayley - they weren't the show. There was too much of the 2 of them in the last few shows. I wanted to see Castle and Beckett and Esposito and Ryan.
Hayley is a good looking woman, eye candy for sure. But she served no real purpose in the show that I can remember.She brought nothing to the table. They got rid of Castle's trademark hand gesture, usually done after his Castle witticisms and trash talking. "Talk about a cold case"(Frozen woman) "Bet she didn't see that one coming" (Death of the Psychic lady) "Ooh, she about to be punished" (Bondage S&M lawyer lady)and my favorite "Killer's a Zombie, case closed!"
I assume that if a season 9 came about, they would've killed off Beckett and had the focus be Castle's PI business, thus Hayley and Alexis would've been >very< central to the story.
I loved the show. Will really miss it.
The delicious and tallented Stana Katic was the only reason to watch 'Castle'. I wish her well and wait for her next project.
Nathan does not seem like the kinda guy who would purposely make some one cry or bully people on set, the guy is a professional, and a fucking sweet heart.
Seriously, just remember that it happened at the beginning of the 'me too' time period. Anything bad that happened to an actress, and someone was gonna start male-bashing, even if there wasn't any previous history of negative actions. The least blamey thing I've heard is that there was acting style problems. Nathan supposedly was good after 3-4 takes, and Stana was more of a perfectionist. Someone mentioned the seven year age difference between them, meaning that there was a difference in comfort levels in front of the camera. And I haven't been able to find any confirmed complaints from the filming crew about Nathan. I don't see him being the person so many people are claiming he is.
Frankly the new story line was a disaster and the concept was flawed from the moment it was conceived. The show was the Stana and Nathan's interaction, take that away for any length of time and the show would inevitably fail.
I loved Castle....never felt it was flat but everyone has their own opinion.
Wow!! I loved this show! I was so surprised that the show came to an end! They were both professional enough that the bad blood did not show while in their acting roles. I will truly miss this show.
Beckett was the star of the show. Castle felt like the sidekick who worked along the heroine.
Never stopped loving the show and always saw Becket and Castle as a duo/team. Feel it was a "crime" to tear the show apart.
Funny how no one here mentions that the writing was awful. You can't blame the actors. They did what they could but seriously Castle had storylines that were simply too ridiculous to be taken seriously. That is what started to hurt the show. That and letting them hook up. Couldn't they just have stayed colleagues or friends that had incredible tension between them. Or why not let them stay a happy couple for at least a few years before they would screw with those dynamics.
Castle only got views because of Fillion Its been hard for us since firefly
***** That might have been true in the beginning of the show. But after a couple of seasons? I don't think so. Main draw was the good chemistry between Fillion and Stana Katic.
Stana Katic was the show and when Castle was not chasing her the dynamics changed it should have been called off after season 7. I have all 8 seasons on DVD and I have not watched season 8 at all on DVD. It should have ended at Hollanders Woods in season 7. Season 8? Alexis really irritated me
Sexual tension has its limits. It has to come to a head eventually...for me it was a natural progression. Slower than Moonlighting. If they truly wanted it to be about Castle...then they should have never had the two hook up. They could have wrote it that she had a long term engagement that went no where...or she had a dying husband...that would have stretched it a little farther...but hey. I didn't mind the writing..only a few..wtfs...but overall it was a good murder he wrote. Hats off and bow.
@@flatmap1 she was not the show, i don't know why y'all keep saying that
The Fillion being a bully thing seems so strange to me. This is one of the actors from Firefly, where the entire cast became best friends. Didn't Katic have a bit of a reputation for being hard to work with back on the Spirit and Quantum of Solace? I vaguely recall hearing that. I guess some people just have personality clashes.
Imagine knowing that.
I used to love this show back in the day
So now, he's free to redo/continue Firefly :):)
He’s currently in _The Rookie_ Don McCollough
If only....
I would love to see more FIREFLY. But how many times lately have we seen dismal movies/tv shows starring characters we once loved.
It's gotten to the stage where I get a really bad feeling when an actor comes back to a beloved role.
Nope. The rookie has been going for three going on four seasons now
I just don't believe that they hated eachother.
Give me proof not mystery "sources".
I don't think Nathan "bullied" her, seems a bit out of character to me as almost everyone has nothing but nice things to say about the guy, but that doesn't mean they liked each other. They're actors, it's there job to convey the emotions their characters have and not themselves. Besides, how many co-workers do you actually like. Sure, there are those you don't mind and work well with, but would you actually hang out and get a beer with them?
No matter what you do there will always be people out there you don't like and who don't like you. I'm glad that they were seemingly professional about it, otherwise I suspect rumours like this would've been flying around for a lot longer.
There is no way they got rid of Stana for budgetary reasons, LOL. So no doubt it was internal strife. Just a question of who got too big for their britches. My guess would be Nathan as the he was supposed to be the star of the show and it was all about him, except in reality it ended up being all about her. She was the source for his inspiration. It didn't help that they made it totally focused on her and her expertise and excellence and tough as nails and all the I am woman hear me roar BS while relegating him to some emasculated joke of a sidekick.No man wants to play "desperate to please puppy" role to some chick.So if he did in fact bully her, it's unfortunate his anger was misplaced. He should have taken it out on the writer's and producers. But I don't think they can write any other roles for men when it involves a couple.
money and ability
But if Stana made the show, why wouldn't they renew her contract...except that they couldn't get rid of the title role :) Still, Nathan didn't bully her...she just may not have understood his colorful humor :)
sources are good enough for the New York Times and without "sources" no media would get any scoops. so why is so terribly hard to believe the mystery Castle sources are not real?
Back when TV shows were a thing and everybody will take time out for that one episode, that was the beauty of that time,with family,family element is gone now,social media doesn't help at all,it always seems stressful
This was my favorite show of all time. I shall miss it dearly.
I enjoyed the show and will miss it on Monday night. One recent episode got my attention. That was the one where Becket didn't appear at all. No off screen one-sided phone call, no mention of her name or what her character was doing. It was as if they were trying to see how a show would be without her.
Another way to look at it, is to see which actor will get another series or movie offers. If someone is difficult to work with, word gets around and they don't work anymore.
I lost interest in the show. Between the daughter becoming even more obnoxious thanks to her privileged attitude; the two male detectives almost becoming a comedy routine and the diminished role of the medical examiner, the show became difficult to watch. Sorry it was axed, but it jumped the shark a while ago.
that is true, while there were plenty of good episodes in between it just seemed to have lost where it was going especially the last two seasons. And frankly season 8 was awful.
Agreed, it had become totally gynocentric. As you point out the frickin daughter acting like she found the cure for cancer and saved the planet from some other global extinction event, and then the fact that Nathan was relegated to some little puppy role bouncing around at the feet of Becket, and as you point out the other "men" acting the part of her emasculated attendants to the queen bee, it got pretty hard to stomach. I don't blame Nathan for getting pissed off, but should have taken it out on the writers, not Stana.
yeah, what I liked about castle was that while he was a kind of happy-go-lucky guy he also had the stomach and the balls to do what was necessary. And we did see some of that in the last episode resurfacing but before that...well not really. Plus Ryan turning into a soccer mom, Espozito just becoming basically a buddy-cop tag a long with no character development. And yeah Alexis... who sure was capable even before but turned into this deus ex machina know it all who did/say whatever was necessary for the episode without a hint of previous awesome character she was. I don't mind gynocentric shows but not when they decide to throw away character development for the women who are supposed to be in the centre of it.
TVTropes calls this Flandersification, where everyone slowly turns into a parody of themselves and their role on the show. It's lazy writing, especially because with Beckett's mom's case solved and Castle/Beckett together, you need SOME arc underlying the cases. Rather than trying to add drama to Castle/Beckett, they should have added more depth to the supporting cast and shifted the focus to their arcs. (And keeping Alexis perfect was foolish; you'd get way more mileage out of having her suffer some major setback or screwing something big up... and then having to climb back out of it and display resilience.)
The story of Beckett and Castle should’ve ended at Season 7. It was a good ending to the series and left no cliff hanging questions for the viewers. Once season 8 started, I stopped watching.
Discovered this show during Covid and binged on the whole series - TWICE. I loved it that much. Binge watching it sure made it easy to see the differences from season to season. 8 was a roller coaster disaster. Hard to believe that there was tension between the two since the on-screen chemistry was WOW. The separation of the 2 characters was obvious when Castle went to his PI gig and Kate was promoted to Capt. Great watching seasons 1-6 and then boom.
to be honest everything went down from the moment Castle and Beckett got together. It's was obvious on camera that something had happened between Stana and Nathan, their chemistry on camera had completely shifted. It would truly break my heart though, if the rumours about Nathan bullying Stana turned out to be true, especially since they're so out of character. I don't pretend to know Nathan at all, but the impression I got from him through his interviews etc is of a goof-ball and a really sweet guy, that he'd turned out to be horrible enough to make his co-star, or anyone else dissolve into tears just seems baffling to me.... Regardless Castle was one of my favourite series for years, to see it end like that truly is a shame :(
Ya thats something you don't do until the last season of any show.
According to viewer ratings, no. Seasons 4 to 6 actually had much higher viewers per episode than the first three, so it wasn't actually getting Castle and Beckett together.
This. I started losing interest when the show became more about relationship drama.
Gawaintheblind I know right ? Its wasn't uninteresting but come on, this is a crime show folks not the young and the restless...
If you base a show on Unresolved Sexual Tension...which gets resolved...you've got no show.
I hope Stana gets a good new role soon. I really like her and she does a great job !
She is venturing to directing. That doesn't mean she can't act in the production but still, it's highly unlikely to see her in another TV-show.
I'm okay with that. By no means do I think she did a bad job, but she was pretty much a nobody before, and she doesn't feel like she has that breakout quality. She rode to fame because she had good chemistry with Fillion (and some decent writers/direction initially).
I'm sorry to hear that. I really liked her acting.
How do you know how Stana Katic feels about her own qualities? And, what's your point about being nobody before Castle? It's hard to understand how involved people get in the entertainer's life. Stand Katic has been a great role model for many people around the globe. She is sweet, intelligent, caring, respectful and delivered her work beautifully. What more do you want from an entertainer? She has spread more goodness than any other actress EVER. We all need to STOP wasting time and energy. We should thank them for their hard work and devotion, and simply move on. It's tiresome seeing the baseless speculations and the unnecessary involvement of their personal life. They are human and deserve love, respect, gratitude and privacy. I respect Stana as a person and love her acting. She will always have my support. Let's all be kind to one another. Cheers...
Stana is now in a new tv named Absentia
Creatively, the exit of creators Andrew and Terri Edda Miller signaled the beginning of the end. From a business perspective, lower ratings didn't inspire hope that the series could last much longer, but ABC's mishandling hastened the final end. The "will-they-or-won't-they" romantic tease of the Castle-Beckett relationship had been the heart of the show from the beginning, and under the Millers was allowed to progress naturally--that is, until the absurd and wholly unbelievable disappearance of Castle, in a painfully contrived effort to extend the suspense, I guess, was inexplicably written to delay the characters' (and viewers') well-earned and most anticipated storyline payoff. The behind-the-scenes turmoil probably contributed to the confusion about the show's creative direction, and the firing of Katic was simply the proverbial last straw. ABC completely underestimated Katic's value to the series, and the network deserved every bit of the negative publicity it received. Castle, the series, deserved to end in a much more satisfying way than it ultimately did.
The stana katic had a huge weight in the success of the series and should be more valued. Mainly because of rumors related to his salary that was lower than Nathan fillion's.
This show was the best, I will never get over this honestly.
Me either! Favorite show EVER!!!
I've seen Fillion in so many interviews, cons, The Nerd Machine and NerdHQ, how he interacts with staff and fans that it's right next to impossible for me to believe he was a bully to anyone. And anonymous comments like that about him make it seem that someone was trying to cast blame away from where it should actually lie. Present proof and I'm happy to look at it. Hearsay is worthless.
True enough but generally speaking people like that are going to be outed sooner rather than later. Fillion has been around for quite a while now in various roles and if he was an off screen arse it is likely something would have been said before now.
So you're one of those people that believes whatever rumors they hear without a shred of evidence. Got it.
I see it the same way. If it's true, my current hypothesis is they either got involved and it backfired, or Nathan is a horndog who schtuppted all of the guest stars and Stana was 'grossed out' by it. It allows me to stay emotionally involved with the first seven seasons. The show was a masterpiece.
Oh, and ignore the publicity machines. Lying for a living...
Who are we kidding. Castle started sucking when Castle & Beckett got together. It just lost it's spark & got all lovey dovey with those two cupcaking every episode. Shit got old real fast.
yup, so happy when they finally got together....then I immediately regretted it.Also, after they arrested Bracken, the show fell apart. That story was the thin strand that kept the show together with a purpose. Rating as soon as he was arrested fell to shit.
looking at all these comments, i dont know whats true or not, but you notice how they rarely had interviews together? I loved the show and they worked well together :)
LoopyKaz I notice that too, I can’t find any interviews on CZcams.
I’m replying 4 years later lo and I’m scared to watch season 8 but I bc I love them so much and I want to cry and I feel bad bc they hated each other and their chemistry on the show is amazing and it’s sad it’s not like that in real life even tho I’m sure on the first seasons they were good
@@noamvahab5145 I am actually watching series 8 now, i love castle and have it on dvd, it ended quite abruptly but i think season 8 is really good other than the very last episode. You should watch it, lots of action in the first 2 episodes!
It's easy to say, that Nathan Fillion was not the problem. Simply watch the Outtakes. In the beginnings all are goofing around. Since season 6 you will miss more and more Stana Katic. Nathan Fillion is goofing around with all, with Molly, Jon, Seamus and Penny. So why the rest of the cast is goofing around with Nathan, if he is such a bad ass, and nobody is goofing around with Stana, if she is the good one. So simply watch the Outtakes and you will understand what went wrong.
Years after the cancelling of "Castle" I stay awake to watch re-run of the show on ABC-TV network and other channels wherever I can find them.
I'm very grateful to find
stations/networks still
airing episodes of this brilliantly written, cast &
produced "ART".
I was born in 1945 & lived through the infancy of...not-so-creative...of all there was written & produced during the "vapid" 1950's and onward in
television.
Intelligent & creative viewing choices in those days were few & far between.
"Castle"...was a perfect
"GIFT" for all levels of the viewing public.
Sadly, it lasted for only 8 Seasons.
Although I purchased and own the entire Series on DVD... and can view any episode at any time..I will continue to search my Satellite service menu for late night airings of these
brilliant examples of
real "creative 'ART' ".
Whatever the reasons
that may have brought this great show to it's
untimely end...
"Castle" , it's wonderfully talented
cast, crew and all contributors involved in it's production will always be appreciated
more than anyone involved in this stellar show will ever imagine.
Fans very much appreciate any and all stations and Networks still airing "Castle" episodes...no matter the time of day or night.
We will continue to search the airwaves for
showings...
and will continue to watch this beloved show.
It will be forever missed.
I've seen Fillon on panels with Jon Heurtas and Seamus Dever after the cancellation and they seem to get on pretty well. Now, they are all actors and may Heurtas and Dever were just being professional, but they looked friendly. So, even if Fillion did alienate some people on set, it certainly wasn't everyone. It leads me to suspect that any claims that he did are probably coming from someone with an agenda.
isnt Molly quinn really close to him as well? that doesnt mean much, but who knows, maybe we will learn in a few years that he tried to sacrifice Stana's pet to cuthulhu or something...
Those bloopers reels are culled from hours of material, so its not wise to base a person's attitude on just a few minutes. I really hope Nathan wasn't a prick to anybody, especially Stana...but if he was, I doubt any of us will ever know for sure. Actors and studios don't like bad press; many will do almost anything to avoid it...even sacrifice the truth.
while i understand that nathan is an actor and he could just hide his douchbaggery, i refuse to believe it to be honest. usially asshole actors are ungrateful to their fans. when nathan visited russia in 2016 i was there he was just goofball of joy, gratitude and respect. it didn't feel fake. he really loves his fans.
on the other hand what i think may be true what if it was personal? like he actually liked stana she turned him down and cause of that he started to act like a rejected kid.
It was a great show and had a great run. All the rumors as to why the show was cancelled are just that - rumors. The one thing that we can be sure of, though, is that the story had run its course and it was time to finish. In the end, it was a good story but all stories have a final chapter and this was Castle's.
I watch everyday on tnt.....never knew it was an ABC show
No show should go out like that. Castle was good. I'm still watching it.
Just finished season 8, I had no idea what was about to happen. I’m disappointed that things ended so abruptly. Loyal fan ❤️
Just finished binge watching a week or so ago. I screamed at the TV when the last episode ended. Absolutely hated that ending.