@@nyc1164Yeah looking back they should of stopped at season 7 they could have given my time to Castle' s missing time. Have entire four part finale where he was programmed/recruited by the CIA showing a serious darker side of him and he tracks down locksat. The situation is so serious he teams up with his father grandmother form an all star team agents etc. They eliminate locksat, and they finally get married with his Father and grandmother there and Beckett's family and friends even her friend Madison.
I'd honestly love to know what really happened between Nathan and Stana. For 2 people who supposedly hated each other. They had great chemistry on the show.
I heard they had a brief relationship that went bad and it divided everyone on the set into "team Fillion" or "team Katic", which basically made it men against women. It was a toxic set by season 8 with both more than reluctant to do scenes together. Fillion wanted to continue the series without Katic, like kill her off. However, in the same piece I read, it was Katic who wanted to leave the show, not being fired. She told producers that the stress of the toxic set was taking a toll on her health and she would not return for any price.
@@kimc5814 I mean good for her to be honest. She already made a lot of money from the show (respectfully). It's sad how the relationship between them was a toxic one on set. I'd imagine that if it were better or 'good' then Castle would be widely regarded as one of the greatest shows of all time rather than just one of the greatest shows of all time to just me and a few others.
@@kimc5814 I reached similar conclusion. Castle was my pandemic binge watch. Seen all episodes 5 times over. You can see that Katic had real feelings for Fillon from beginning. Those genuine feelings made their chemistry so good. However as the time goes on I believe Katic started to be jealous of other actresses on set. You can tell things are not right when main characters suddenly lose screen time. I am guessing by the production comments that Nathan made Katic cry that Nathan did not feel the same towards Katic. That being said the show should have ended at the wedding. All episodes after the wedding can be considered alternate reality. For me the shows best ending is wedding and then them having kids. The end.
Whilst the show is now extremely old and was cancelled when I was genuinely 10 or 11 years old, I've rewatched it a few times over the last year and a half. I think that, despite its issues, especially in the latter seasons (though I don't think Season 7 was that bad at all), it will always remain one of my GOATs of TV. Sure, the flaws were noticeable but the strengths and overall positives of the show were critical and ubiquitous throughout.
I loved "Castle" and started watching it because of Nathan Fillion's work on "Firefly". It was always funny to hear references to "Firefly" in some of the episodes. I heard rumors of a rift between Fillion & Katic. That explains why Katic hasn't made an appearance on Fillion's "Rookies" unlike the other "Castle" cast members.
Beckett was the reason I watched the show in the beginning! I loved Stana’s roll in 24 & was excited to see her doing bigger roles. When it was announced she wouldn’t be in season 9, I had no idea they also didn’t invite other females back. I stand by the fact that I wouldn’t have watched past Season 8 & even though it’s probably tied as top 3 favourite shows, I would have not watched past season 8 ever. 😅
Agreed with Eliza although I had not seen Katic previously. Definitely agree about not watching past S8 (was it ever shown in the UK as I could have sworn there were only 7?). If 8 was the one after the marriage then yes I have seen it. Looking back now that underlines the problem between Katic and Fillion as they wouldn't have had to act together much if Castle was missing.
@@julianmhall Yeah season 8 was the one where they split up for awhile & stuff it was not well done imo. To many story lines that could have been really good had the show continued had to be rushed to close, and their relationship off screen definitely played a role. It’s unfortunate cuz this show could have had a run similar to criminal minds going double the time. The support cast was so strong in every season, but the show wouldn’t have been the same without at least Kate, if not Lainey as well.
@@elizagracec Ah was S8 the one where Castle had his own detective agency? If so it was shown in the UK and I can't count *lol* Looking back now that was probably so Katic and Fillion didn't have to work together so much.
I loved the show until Castle was kidnapped right before their first wedding. The last few seasons were filled with story arcs that required one or the other to hide stuff from the other and thus operate solo or with some stupid character created to give the solo character someone to actually talk to. It was around this time that rumors leaked that Stania and Nathan hated each other and couldn't even do scenes together anymore. They apparently used body doubles and shot/reverse shot camera tricks to hide the fact that it wasn't the two of them there in scene.
I miss this show more then I should! Seen every episode multiple times, and watch the rookie just to try to get some of that castle vibe, but it always comes up short. Better than Bones or Lucifer by far to me
@@FlowersForYourGrave I'm a fan of all 3 shows & I don't consider them anywhere near the same. Bones is far more scientific & not as funny as Castle, and Lucifer is funnier & deals with the supernatural. They are all great shows.
@@jimapplebee5322 they may all be great shows and be different in their own unique ways; it doesn’t prohibit or of them from being head and shoulders better than the other 2 in my opinion. Each to their own; we’re all entitled to our own views and opinions 👍
I loved the show and will frequently watch reruns bc of the chemistry between Castle and Kate. I heard somewhere that they had a real life brief relationship that fizzled badly and it divided the actors against each other on the set, men against women.
I don't think they had a relationship in the first place. I just think as the show progressed their relationship became strenuous. I've heard that it may have been instigated by Nathan. IDK why.. ego maybe?
The first to fourth seasons are excellent and fun. Fifth to eight seasons was unclear. In fact, the 8th season last episode was unclear whether they made it or not. I'd like to think that they made it through the shooting and went on to have a happy family. And Alexis and Martha, our favorite romantic and old-souls, find true love. They still give give Castle advice because even in his fifty years, he is still stubborn and learning at every curbe. 😄
Well they did survive. The show runners confirmed that. Season 9 was supposed to have the same cozy feel seasons 1-2 had and the secondary focus (rather than being Richard and Kate’s sexual tension) was gonna be Kate dealing with her pregnancy. All said and done, it’s confirmed that Richard and Kate survived and went on to have a daughter named Lily and then twin boys named Jake and Reece.
We've never had any real truth in regards to the rumours that Nathan Fillion and Stana Katic had a falling out on set that caused major problems, so those rumours have persisted in the seven years since Castle was canceled. For me personally, these two had far too much chemistry and I find it difficult to believe that things went south between them to the point they were forced to attend couples counseling despite not actually dating. Given that several of his cast mates made cameo appearances on The Rookie that's further evidence for me that there was no real tension on the set of Castle. Plus Fillion voiced his disapproval of the decision to not renew Katic's contract. If he hated her as much as the rumours suggested, would he have publicly backed her like that? Castle's real troubles came in the form of two showrunner changes and an inevitable creative bankruptcy, leading to a deviation away from what made it successful. The peak of the show was the episode Veritas. Immediately after that came the atrociously bad season six finale that started the show's downward spiral. In the beginning they spoke of sticking to an organic progression between the characters and for the most part got it right, but after Veritas they seemed to abandon this philosophy in favour of manufactured roadblocks between the two, most infamously the opening arc of the final season. In doing so they completely undermined Katic's character who had symbolically moved on after arresting Senator Bracken. It was a major mistake having her go back down that rabbit hole and was effectively the death knell for this show as viewer numbers dropped dramatically from it.
True. Molly Quinn seemed to almost worship Fillion. All the other actors were said to have a great working relationship with Fillion. I don't understand how, after all this time, the problem between the two has not been explained...if there was one. This is the only time I have ever heatd any complaints about Fillion.
I'd like to believe the new showrunners choosing to mix things up for the show drove the actors nuts and in doing so stressed them out which led to them taking it out on eachother too. Who knows but I doubt a cast of people who have qorked on a show for years would suddenly develop hate for one another. I hope somehow some way we can see Nathan and Stana in something together again even for just an episode.
You could tell during season 4 or 5, can't remember which, they really seemed to be in love with each other, their chemistry was too good to just be a act, then something changed in season 6. I don't know what happened, but they allowed it to destroy what was probably one of the best tv shows on the air for awhile. For me, is has forever damaged the show. I stopped watching after season 6, and have never finished it. I'd rather remember it for when the character were in love, then see it all fall apart. Both of them failed those characters and the fans, by letting real life come between them. They should have ended it at season 5, after they fell apart with each other. Between mid way through season 6, the show shifted, and they started changing things, and not for the better. Rick and Kate were the show, but for some reason Nathan thought he could carry the show without her. That was a completely brain dead move. He apparently was thinking way too highly of himself. Nathan is a great actor, but Castle is a 2 star show, the was guaranteed to fail if one of them was gone. Today, they only know how to make crap shows, so the chances of seeing another show like Castle, or Bones, The Mentalist my favorite, is not looking very good.
Loved the show, but the 8th & final season was unwatchable. Castle and Beckett were practically on different storylines and already knowing the dislike between the two leads also made watching difficult.
AGREED! As the news about their off-set tension came to light during the final season, it did make the final season more unwatchable. It made the fantasy of the character's love seem even more like just "acting". During the scenes where they would be emotionally lovingly close, I couldn't help but think "wow, that scene must have been awkward?" That sad, because the veil was lifted, and the series became more about "let's just end this". Nevertheless, mostly all of the previous seasons were great!
I just finished watching season 8, and am so glad I did. I kept seeing these comments so I was going to skip it, but damn it was a great season!!! They weren’t apart that long anyhow, the first few where Kate went off on her own thing, but she confessed and they were together in literally every episode after that, idk where everyone is missing something, sure it should have been them the whole time but the side characters like vikrsn and Hailey just added depth, I think it was a great season I just wish it had one more episode lol
Castle and Bones are two of the best written and consistently entertaining, engaging and elegant "crime" TV series. The Mentalist and CSI overall are up there as well.
I liked the show "Castle," but I never got into it heavily because it was on during the time I was divorcing my ex and thru the time I met my current wife. So you see why watching TV wasn't on my list of priorities during that time. What I seen was a good show, mostly with my ex. The worst part is my current wife like the show too. But everytime I watched it with my new gf/wife, I couldn't help but remember all the times my ex and I watched it together, so it led to me using the show. Even tho it wasn't the show I hated but the memories it conjured up while watching. This show became calateral damage from my divorce. And that's kinda a shame.
I have a friend who was an extra on the show. She confirms they did not get along. Her speculation was that Stana is a professional. She takes her job seriously. Which I can confirm because we went to school together in Chicago. I was a playwriting student and she was in the acting program. We worked together. Nathan was a goofball. Always making jokes. Her suspicion was that this was the source of their problems.
I loved both of them together. Castle's boyish behaviour would have soon worn thin without Beckett's backbone. Also Beckett's seriousness is alleviated by Castle's humour. I also loved the way Dever and Huertas worked together. Brilliant. I wouldn't have bothered watching the series without Beckett. She brought the substance.
Definitely the best male/female procedural (i.e. Bones, Lucifer, Mentalist) in my opinion. I think Bones was way too formulaic, after watching one episode, you saw all of them. At least Castle tried to switch up locales and types of cases...although they didnt always pull it off (spy/intelligence/private I). Losing the showrunner certainly hurt the final season, it's very clear. Also, it's clear castle and beckett are purposely filmed separately during the latter seasons, not just season 8...I read that Fillion had a condition in his contract limiting how often they filmed together. I would disagree with this video about the Dever's while cute that they were married in real life...that couple was only ever in 8 episodes through 8 seasons! The javier/ryan relationship was the second most important piece other than Castle/Beckett. Personally, I think they rushed putting beckett and castle together and they should have stretched that will they/wont they more like Bones did.
Castle ended because Nathan’s ego got in the way. He along with the show runners for season 8 and the studio/network should be thanking their lucky stars b/c this went down right before the MeToo movement started…literally inches. What show in history you know fires the Co-lead of a show for “financial reasons” when negotiations didn’t even start. They fired Tamala as well to cover their tracks but that was the smoking gun. They literally wanted season 9 to be Castle and the gang. Season 7 is the series finale for me.
Behind the scenes, it's really sad how things ended on Castle; it was such an entertaining series. Nathan Fillion and Stana Katic were so perfect in their roles, yo were always cheering for them to be together. It's sad that things weren't so rosy in reality. For whoever to threaten to eliminate principal female members of the cast was thoughtless to consider. Thankfully, as Fillion did with Firefly actors onto Castle, he's continuing that onto The Rookie. Bringing on Seamus Dever, Tamala Jones, Jon Huertas, Annie Wersching, Molly Quinn, and Toks Olagundoye onto his current project. Castle did what I hoped other series like Star Trek Deep Space Nine did, alternate and intermix serious episodes with lighter episode during the course of the season. Also like Top Gun Maverick did within the same scene, intermix something heartfelt or serious with something lightly humorous. The series Castle will make me smile . . . ALWAYS.
The show might be called "Castle," but you might notice that the plot that strings all of the seasons together revolves around Beckett. She's the actual hero of this story. It would have been horrible and pointless without her.
Unfortunately, we may never know the truth. I think it was because of low ratings and budget cuts. For a source to say that Stana was crying in her trailer …. She doesn’t even know the full story of being let go. Who’s to say if this feud is true or not. Fillion and Katic were perfect for the show. Regardless of what may or may not have occurred, Castle will ALWAYS be remembered as an iconic series that left a major impact on its fans. #caskettalways
Well I dont think they separated them in season 8 due to their relationship off screen. I believe they just wanted to keep the tension between two characters alive as seasons go on, which had been the reason drawing audience from the beginning.
I love the show, and full disclosure, watching it again as I right this. Sad to have it gone, but I get it. To me the best part was the awesome music they used.!!!
It’s a shame that Nathan and Stana didn’t get along. I’ve loved Nathan since One Life to Live. I really enjoyed Huertas in This is Us. I wish they would have carried through with more guest visits by Patterson.
I enjoyed the series a great deal, but it was painfully obvious at the beginning of Season 8 the writers didn't know or respect what had gone before; for me, the series ended at season 7, even if it was an unnecessary cliffhanger. I like both Fillian and Katic, respect their work, and liked the supporting cast as well -- there was some good chemistry there. That it had such a "crash and burn" ending is sad, but there were a lot of good episodes in between the pilot and the end of season 7. The pilot for season 8 was so horribly contrived and broke character so badly, and worse, Castle betrayed Kate so profoundly there was no real way for him to regain her trust again; it was like they wanted him single because "the ratings" were better when the tension was high, but the emotional burn was huge -- someone capable of doing what Castle showed a real lack of human compassion or understanding of human behavior, something completely at odds with Castle as a bestselling author, someone who has to get readers to empathize fictional characters. That's my reason why series 8 never took place; it was a fevered dream that never took place. Who dreamed it? Pick one of the characters, but it doesn't matter. Beckett retires from the force, has a couple of kids, then gets into politics. Castle runs around with Esposito and Ryan, but cuts back on the frequency of his detective work to focus on writing and spend time with his bride, be a dad, while dealing with Molly as a college student and his lonely and persistently visiting mother. See?
The story I heard was for the first four seasons, they were great friends. Her husband and Fillion got along great. Then, as one does, she asked for wage parity. While the show is called Castle, it is really about their relationship. Beckett being as important to the story as Castle. Stania had never been on a long running TV show, so she looked to Nathan to help her adjust to the TV schedule. So after season 4, she asked for a raise to be more in line with Nathan. He didn't like that. He apparently thought he was still the big draw and Stania was his assistant, instead of equal co-star. If this is all true, Nathan was not supportive of the change and if Stania no longer considered him her mentor, every thing he told her would have irritated her more, which in turn would have made him angry. Whether it was sudden or more of a gradual thing, we may never know. Both actors have kept a tight lid on the subject, which says to me that they are classy or there is enough there to make them both look bad.
Is that so called feud the main reason Stana hasn't appeared as a guest in The Rookie? Tsk! Molly appeared at least twice and so did Tamala. Seamus and John guested too. I'm also still waiting for Ruben, Penny, and Susan to show up too. May be a pipedream!
It was blatantly obvious that the original writers were not involved in the final season. They regressed both Castle and Becket's characterizations and wrote a sloppy espionage seasonal plot that made no sense. The fact that Beckett took the idiot ball and ran with it by not trusting either her detectives nor Castle showed no understanding of how she developed throughout the series. I always wondered if Fillion and Stanik faked the whole feud thing to purposefully tank the hopes of a 9th season. Who knows? Maybe they were having issues, but canceling it was the right call.
No, Fillion wanted the series to continue, and he floated the idea of making the show centered on him. He supposedly said, "it's called Castle not Castle and Beckett." I believe that's why they initially fired the actress who played the captain, so they could make way for a new love interest.
It seems like a similar situation to Jag. The final seasons saw characters behave in ways that made no sense and I got the distinct impression that the two leads didn't like each other very much. Catherine Bell was even more than willing to shoulder the series by herself after David James Elliott was informed he wouldn't be returning, before the season was ultimately cancelled.
@@kimc5814 I doubt you'd be able to make a new love interest in the show to be honest. Fans would just up-and-leave. It was all about Kate Beckett since/from Season 1 Episode 1. In the time travel episode it was revealed that they even ended up having 3 children together, Seasons 1-4 is one segment of the show imho. The climax of the first half of the show was 4x23 in Always. We had to go 3/4 years of a 'will-they-won't-they?' I doubt any A-list actress, even the best of the best, would make any fans forget about Beckett. It just feels wrong.
@@FlowersForYourGrave Here's my theory for how the beginning of season 9 would play out: The first episode would start 6 months or a year after Beckett's death and center on a depressed and self destructive Castle spiraling down deep. Esposito and Ryan try talking to him about coming back and helping with a case, but no go. They talk to their gorgeous new captain about Castle and how essential he was to solving cases. She pays him a visit and tells him how she found the strength to move forward after her husband died, and telling him that it's time he honored Beckett's memory by getting himself out of his abyss, and start helping others find justice for their dead loved ones again...then, after a few episodes of cases where they get drawn together, it's off to the races with will they or won't they again.
@@kimc5814 Your idea sounds interesting to be fair, but the issue is, as I said beforehand; the show became all about Kate Beckett (possibly more so than Castle). Sure, every episode started in Castle's loft, but Castle and Beckett as a duo was obviously the main attraction of the show and the centre of attention of many episodes. Despite Stana's contract being terminated w/ ABC and the show, the character was never intended to be killed off. The revelation after the cancellation of the show was that Season 9 was going to centre the first few episodes around the couples' recovery and then hits with the epiphany/discovery that Kate is pregnant. The Season 9 was gonna try and adjust itself to feel more like how Seasons 1-3 did, but with Kate and Richard dealing with the pregnancy as the secondary focus. The proposed main "antagonist" of Season 9 was going to be a female serial killer. There has been a 23 episode fan fiction written with this directive in mind I believe. Imo this idea that they had for season 9 should've been what they did in Season 8, but it wasn't to be. Needless to say, your idea is still very good tbf. Though, I'm not sure Kate dying would sit well with me. I simply couldn't stomach the idea that a character that focal and important throughout the majority of the duration of the show would be brutally killed off in such an anti-climactic way. Even if the new, pretty, widowed police captain was a fantastic character, I don't believe the fans would ever get over losing Beckett. I also don't see how Castle would either. 3 times married, nearing middle 40s.
I started to watch the show because even though I haven't seen anything from Nathan I have seen his name around. But stayed because of the chemistry he had with Stana and I loved his family. I was so disappointed when it was canceled and firing the female cast, wtf were they thinking? I was watching the Rookie but I heard something else about Nathan that left a really bad taste in my mouth and stopped.
I think when a show gives the fans what they want is when it starts to go downhill. I think that’s why Criminal Minds lasted so long. Derek and Penelope never got together.
Everybody loves Fillion. Except of course Katic. He is adored by fans and reaches out to them and former cast mates all the time. Except Katic. Nathan is the upstanding man here.
I read multiple times that the Castle crew said the animosity was from him. They dated in real life, it didn’t work out, she acted professionally and he was the not so good guy. However, who knows the real truth but them. Too bad because they might have gotten a few more successful seasons. It was a good show!
I used to like that show but deep down I knew that it would be doomed if Castle and Becket got together. It was so much better with the unresolved tension
From what I have heard Castle shared the same fault as the Lethal Weapon TV series, in that one of the actors thought they were more important than the series itself, //and behaved that way// not only alienating other actors but also some crew members. I /think/ I'm right in saying that it was debatable if Katic's character was supposed to survive the S4 sniper and only persuasion made her come back to the series. That and to be frank probably paying the bills while looking for other acting jobs. IIRC three Firefly actors did make appearances in Castle; Adam Baldwin, Gina Torres (I think), and Alan Tudyk. Also in the episode set at a science fiction convention when he hears there's been a murder Castle says 'Shiny!' I hadn't heard about the projected ninth series and the character drops, but given that they were all - especially Beckett - central to the main story I doubt I'd have watched it anyway. In fact that pretty much proves what I said above and I suspect Katic herself may have declined another series. It might be argued that Jerald and Jones' characters weren't central but they were intertwined with the whole ensemble cast and if you tug one thread - it seems they planned tugging three threads at once - then the whole tapestry unravels. Agreed with the video that they /were/ integral.
I think Nathan was jealous of Stana's popularity. The last 2 years of the show were bad & I only watched one or two. When I read the ladies would all be gone, I was done.
I had bought the first season of Castle on DVD based only on the value that Nathan Fillion brought to this show. But right from this season i understood that the characters would not be guaranteed a next season and i was immediately uninterested with what would come next. To this day, 2023-02-05, i still haven't seen seasons 2 through 8...and i have no plans to do so, especially after seeing this CZcams video.
Reports state that Fillion had his own idea for Beckett. When producers went with Stana Katic, Fillion was said to be salty about the choice. He wanted a gf of his, I forget which one, for his on screen foil.
Nice of you guys to recycle your old video from the time--smart to cut the unfounded allegations though--maybe don't use gossip mags as a source for information
So was Nathan jealous ,of his co star,who was very popular. I hope not,I watch the rookie ,and I like Tim much better ,I started watching because of him,but he became a dud,when they put him,with Bailey,and the zodiac rookie,who pushes her astrology.
Money. I’m sure of it. Fillion wanted a bigger check, or the others wanted a bigger check and thought they had support from Fillion. Either way, money.
I loved the Castle character, and ALL the support cast...especially Susan Sullivan who was hilarious. Could not stand Beckett! She was nasty, smug, and full of herself. There were even times when I immediately hit the mute button when she showed up.
I haven't watched this video yet, but it's this a repost? I feel like I've watched this or something similar to this. I'll edit this later if I was right or wrong.
What did you think of "Castle?"
It was good I would loved to see another season
Great Show honestly a New season would ne interesting but probably not good. These 7 seasons did their job really good and I loved the ending
I liked the show, but they should've ended in the 7 seasons. The 8th season wasn't that great and didn't like how they ended. It was confusing.
Waste of time
@@nyc1164Yeah looking back they should of stopped at season 7 they could have given my time to Castle' s missing time. Have entire four part finale where he was programmed/recruited by the CIA showing a serious darker side of him and he tracks down locksat. The situation is so serious he teams up with his father grandmother form an all star team agents etc. They eliminate locksat, and they finally get married with his Father and grandmother there and Beckett's family and friends even her friend Madison.
I'd honestly love to know what really happened between Nathan and Stana. For 2 people who supposedly hated each other. They had great chemistry on the show.
I heard they had a brief relationship that went bad and it divided everyone on the set into "team Fillion" or "team Katic", which basically made it men against women. It was a toxic set by season 8 with both more than reluctant to do scenes together. Fillion wanted to continue the series without Katic, like kill her off. However, in the same piece I read, it was Katic who wanted to leave the show, not being fired. She told producers that the stress of the toxic set was taking a toll on her health and she would not return for any price.
@@kimc5814 I mean good for her to be honest. She already made a lot of money from the show (respectfully). It's sad how the relationship between them was a toxic one on set. I'd imagine that if it were better or 'good' then Castle would be widely regarded as one of the greatest shows of all time rather than just one of the greatest shows of all time to just me and a few others.
These are rumors
@@kimc5814 I reached similar conclusion. Castle was my pandemic binge watch. Seen all episodes 5 times over. You can see that Katic had real feelings for Fillon from beginning. Those genuine feelings made their chemistry so good. However as the time goes on I believe Katic started to be jealous of other actresses on set. You can tell things are not right when main characters suddenly lose screen time. I am guessing by the production comments that Nathan made Katic cry that Nathan did not feel the same towards Katic. That being said the show should have ended at the wedding. All episodes after the wedding can be considered alternate reality. For me the shows best ending is wedding and then them having kids. The end.
He's always been a great actor
Whilst the show is now extremely old and was cancelled when I was genuinely 10 or 11 years old, I've rewatched it a few times over the last year and a half. I think that, despite its issues, especially in the latter seasons (though I don't think Season 7 was that bad at all), it will always remain one of my GOATs of TV. Sure, the flaws were noticeable but the strengths and overall positives of the show were critical and ubiquitous throughout.
I loved "Castle" and started watching it because of Nathan Fillion's work on "Firefly". It was always funny to hear references to "Firefly" in some of the episodes. I heard rumors of a rift between Fillion & Katic. That explains why Katic hasn't made an appearance on Fillion's "Rookies" unlike the other "Castle" cast members.
Such a balanced series. Dramatic and funny. Entertaining and with consistent quality. Well shot and well acted.
She has another show for another network so that's also a reason
This was just one of those incredibly good shows. Too bad it had bad blood by the end.
Beckett was the reason I watched the show in the beginning! I loved Stana’s roll in 24 & was excited to see her doing bigger roles. When it was announced she wouldn’t be in season 9, I had no idea they also didn’t invite other females back.
I stand by the fact that I wouldn’t have watched past Season 8 & even though it’s probably tied as top 3 favourite shows, I would have not watched past season 8 ever. 😅
Agreed with Eliza although I had not seen Katic previously. Definitely agree about not watching past S8 (was it ever shown in the UK as I could have sworn there were only 7?). If 8 was the one after the marriage then yes I have seen it. Looking back now that underlines the problem between Katic and Fillion as they wouldn't have had to act together much if Castle was missing.
@@julianmhall Yeah season 8 was the one where they split up for awhile & stuff it was not well done imo. To many story lines that could have been really good had the show continued had to be rushed to close, and their relationship off screen definitely played a role. It’s unfortunate cuz this show could have had a run similar to criminal minds going double the time. The support cast was so strong in every season, but the show wouldn’t have been the same without at least Kate, if not Lainey as well.
@@elizagracec Ah was S8 the one where Castle had his own detective agency? If so it was shown in the UK and I can't count *lol* Looking back now that was probably so Katic and Fillion didn't have to work together so much.
I loved the show until Castle was kidnapped right before their first wedding. The last few seasons were filled with story arcs that required one or the other to hide stuff from the other and thus operate solo or with some stupid character created to give the solo character someone to actually talk to. It was around this time that rumors leaked that Stania and Nathan hated each other and couldn't even do scenes together anymore. They apparently used body doubles and shot/reverse shot camera tricks to hide the fact that it wasn't the two of them there in scene.
I miss this show more then I should! Seen every episode multiple times, and watch the rookie just to try to get some of that castle vibe, but it always comes up short. Better than Bones or Lucifer by far to me
Couldn't agree more to be honest. I haven't watched The Rookie though. Prolly not gonna either. But ya, deffo better than Lucifer n Bones imho.
@@FlowersForYourGrave I'm a fan of all 3 shows & I don't consider them anywhere near the same. Bones is far more scientific & not as funny as Castle, and Lucifer is funnier & deals with the supernatural. They are all great shows.
@@jimapplebee5322 they may all be great shows and be different in their own unique ways; it doesn’t prohibit or of them from being head and shoulders better than the other 2 in my opinion. Each to their own; we’re all entitled to our own views and opinions 👍
I loved the show and will frequently watch reruns bc of the chemistry between Castle and Kate. I heard somewhere that they had a real life brief relationship that fizzled badly and it divided the actors against each other on the set, men against women.
I don't think they had a relationship in the first place. I just think as the show progressed their relationship became strenuous. I've heard that it may have been instigated by Nathan. IDK why.. ego maybe?
The first to fourth seasons are excellent and fun. Fifth to eight seasons was unclear. In fact, the 8th season last episode was unclear whether they made it or not. I'd like to think that they made it through the shooting and went on to have a happy family. And Alexis and Martha, our favorite romantic and old-souls, find true love. They still give give Castle advice because even in his fifty years, he is still stubborn and learning at every curbe.
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Well they did survive. The show runners confirmed that. Season 9 was supposed to have the same cozy feel seasons 1-2 had and the secondary focus (rather than being Richard and Kate’s sexual tension) was gonna be Kate dealing with her pregnancy.
All said and done, it’s confirmed that Richard and Kate survived and went on to have a daughter named Lily and then twin boys named Jake and Reece.
We've never had any real truth in regards to the rumours that Nathan Fillion and Stana Katic had a falling out on set that caused major problems, so those rumours have persisted in the seven years since Castle was canceled. For me personally, these two had far too much chemistry and I find it difficult to believe that things went south between them to the point they were forced to attend couples counseling despite not actually dating. Given that several of his cast mates made cameo appearances on The Rookie that's further evidence for me that there was no real tension on the set of Castle. Plus Fillion voiced his disapproval of the decision to not renew Katic's contract. If he hated her as much as the rumours suggested, would he have publicly backed her like that?
Castle's real troubles came in the form of two showrunner changes and an inevitable creative bankruptcy, leading to a deviation away from what made it successful. The peak of the show was the episode Veritas. Immediately after that came the atrociously bad season six finale that started the show's downward spiral. In the beginning they spoke of sticking to an organic progression between the characters and for the most part got it right, but after Veritas they seemed to abandon this philosophy in favour of manufactured roadblocks between the two, most infamously the opening arc of the final season. In doing so they completely undermined Katic's character who had symbolically moved on after arresting Senator Bracken. It was a major mistake having her go back down that rabbit hole and was effectively the death knell for this show as viewer numbers dropped dramatically from it.
True. Molly Quinn seemed to almost worship Fillion. All the other actors were said to have a great working relationship with Fillion. I don't understand how, after all this time, the problem between the two has not been explained...if there was one. This is the only time I have ever heatd any complaints about Fillion.
I'd like to believe the new showrunners choosing to mix things up for the show drove the actors nuts and in doing so stressed them out which led to them taking it out on eachother too. Who knows but I doubt a cast of people who have qorked on a show for years would suddenly develop hate for one another. I hope somehow some way we can see Nathan and Stana in something together again even for just an episode.
You could tell during season 4 or 5, can't remember which, they really seemed to be in love with each other, their chemistry was too good to just be a act, then something changed in season 6. I don't know what happened, but they allowed it to destroy what was probably one of the best tv shows on the air for awhile.
For me, is has forever damaged the show. I stopped watching after season 6, and have never finished it.
I'd rather remember it for when the character were in love, then see it all fall apart. Both of them failed those characters and the fans, by letting real life come between them.
They should have ended it at season 5, after they fell apart with each other. Between mid way through season 6, the show shifted, and they started changing things, and not for the better.
Rick and Kate were the show, but for some reason Nathan thought he could carry the show without her. That was a completely brain dead move. He apparently was thinking way too highly of himself. Nathan is a great actor, but Castle is a 2 star show, the was guaranteed to fail if one of them was gone.
Today, they only know how to make crap shows, so the chances of seeing another show like Castle, or Bones, The Mentalist my favorite, is not looking very good.
My all time favorite series, allmost developed an addiction for it
Loved the show, but the 8th & final season was unwatchable. Castle and Beckett were practically on different storylines and already knowing the dislike between the two leads also made watching difficult.
I like to think of season 8 as part 1 of a 2 part film that failed epically and doesn't count as canon
AGREED! As the news about their off-set tension came to light during the final season, it did make the final season more unwatchable. It made the fantasy of the character's love seem even more like just "acting".
During the scenes where they would be emotionally lovingly close, I couldn't help but think "wow, that scene must have been awkward?"
That sad, because the veil was lifted, and the series became more about "let's just end this".
Nevertheless, mostly all of the previous seasons were great!
I just finished watching season 8, and am so glad I did. I kept seeing these comments so I was going to skip it, but damn it was a great season!!! They weren’t apart that long anyhow, the first few where Kate went off on her own thing, but she confessed and they were together in literally every episode after that, idk where everyone is missing something, sure it should have been them the whole time but the side characters like vikrsn and Hailey just added depth, I think it was a great season
I just wish it had one more episode lol
Loved the series, shame how it ended.
Castle and Bones are two of the best written and consistently entertaining, engaging and elegant "crime" TV series. The Mentalist and CSI overall are up there as well.
I liked the show "Castle," but I never got into it heavily because it was on during the time I was divorcing my ex and thru the time I met my current wife. So you see why watching TV wasn't on my list of priorities during that time.
What I seen was a good show, mostly with my ex. The worst part is my current wife like the show too. But everytime I watched it with my new gf/wife, I couldn't help but remember all the times my ex and I watched it together, so it led to me using the show. Even tho it wasn't the show I hated but the memories it conjured up while watching.
This show became calateral damage from my divorce. And that's kinda a shame.
My favorite show ever
Same
I have a friend who was an extra on the show. She confirms they did not get along. Her speculation was that Stana is a professional. She takes her job seriously. Which I can confirm because we went to school together in Chicago. I was a playwriting student and she was in the acting program. We worked together. Nathan was a goofball. Always making jokes. Her suspicion was that this was the source of their problems.
I remember watching this series on USA network
I loved both of them together. Castle's boyish behaviour would have soon worn thin without Beckett's backbone. Also Beckett's seriousness is alleviated by Castle's humour. I also loved the way Dever and Huertas worked together. Brilliant.
I wouldn't have bothered watching the series without Beckett. She brought the substance.
Definitely the best male/female procedural (i.e. Bones, Lucifer, Mentalist) in my opinion. I think Bones was way too formulaic, after watching one episode, you saw all of them. At least Castle tried to switch up locales and types of cases...although they didnt always pull it off (spy/intelligence/private I). Losing the showrunner certainly hurt the final season, it's very clear. Also, it's clear castle and beckett are purposely filmed separately during the latter seasons, not just season 8...I read that Fillion had a condition in his contract limiting how often they filmed together. I would disagree with this video about the Dever's while cute that they were married in real life...that couple was only ever in 8 episodes through 8 seasons! The javier/ryan relationship was the second most important piece other than Castle/Beckett. Personally, I think they rushed putting beckett and castle together and they should have stretched that will they/wont they more like Bones did.
Castle, especially up to Castle’s disappearance was perfect. Likewise Mentalist pre-red John resolution was perfect.
had no idea this all happened. wow. always loved the show. i continue watching the re-runs. they all look like having fun in the serial.
Castle ended because Nathan’s ego got in the way. He along with the show runners for season 8 and the studio/network should be thanking their lucky stars b/c this went down right before the MeToo movement started…literally inches.
What show in history you know fires the Co-lead of a show for “financial reasons” when negotiations didn’t even start. They fired Tamala as well to cover their tracks but that was the smoking gun. They literally wanted season 9 to be Castle and the gang. Season 7 is the series finale for me.
Behind the scenes, it's really sad how things ended on Castle; it was such an entertaining series.
Nathan Fillion and Stana Katic were so perfect in their roles, yo were always cheering for them to be together. It's sad that things weren't so rosy in reality.
For whoever to threaten to eliminate principal female members of the cast was thoughtless to consider.
Thankfully, as Fillion did with Firefly actors onto Castle, he's continuing that onto The Rookie. Bringing on Seamus Dever, Tamala Jones, Jon Huertas, Annie Wersching, Molly Quinn, and Toks Olagundoye onto his current project.
Castle did what I hoped other series like Star Trek Deep Space Nine did, alternate and intermix serious episodes with lighter episode during the course of the season.
Also like Top Gun Maverick did within the same scene, intermix something heartfelt or serious with something lightly humorous.
The series Castle will make me smile . . . ALWAYS.
The show might be called "Castle," but you might notice that the plot that strings all of the seasons together revolves around Beckett. She's the actual hero of this story.
It would have been horrible and pointless without her.
Unfortunately, we may never know the truth. I think it was because of low ratings and budget cuts. For a source to say that Stana was crying in her trailer …. She doesn’t even know the full story of being let go. Who’s to say if this feud is true or not. Fillion and Katic were perfect for the show. Regardless of what may or may not have occurred, Castle will ALWAYS be remembered as an iconic series that left a major impact on its fans. #caskettalways
I loved Castle. I named my dog Alexis (we call her Lexi though) in honor of the character on the show. I miss it so much.
Well I dont think they separated them in season 8 due to their relationship off screen. I believe they just wanted to keep the tension between two characters alive as seasons go on, which had been the reason drawing audience from the beginning.
I love the show, and full disclosure, watching it again as I right this. Sad to have it gone, but I get it. To me the best part was the awesome music they used.!!!
In some scenes the way they hold their eyes, at each other, there's definitely tension... lol 😂
It was pretty obvious when they got rid of the women. It’s unfortunate. The last season was awful
the way my brain is running circles around itself piecing all this together . thank you universe
It’s a shame that Nathan and Stana didn’t get along. I’ve loved Nathan since One Life to Live. I really enjoyed Huertas in This is Us. I wish they would have carried through with more guest visits by Patterson.
I enjoyed the series a great deal, but it was painfully obvious at the beginning of Season 8 the writers didn't know or respect what had gone before; for me, the series ended at season 7, even if it was an unnecessary cliffhanger. I like both Fillian and Katic, respect their work, and liked the supporting cast as well -- there was some good chemistry there. That it had such a "crash and burn" ending is sad, but there were a lot of good episodes in between the pilot and the end of season 7. The pilot for season 8 was so horribly contrived and broke character so badly, and worse, Castle betrayed Kate so profoundly there was no real way for him to regain her trust again; it was like they wanted him single because "the ratings" were better when the tension was high, but the emotional burn was huge -- someone capable of doing what Castle showed a real lack of human compassion or understanding of human behavior, something completely at odds with Castle as a bestselling author, someone who has to get readers to empathize fictional characters. That's my reason why series 8 never took place; it was a fevered dream that never took place. Who dreamed it? Pick one of the characters, but it doesn't matter. Beckett retires from the force, has a couple of kids, then gets into politics. Castle runs around with Esposito and Ryan, but cuts back on the frequency of his detective work to focus on writing and spend time with his bride, be a dad, while dealing with Molly as a college student and his lonely and persistently visiting mother. See?
The story I heard was for the first four seasons, they were great friends. Her husband and Fillion got along great. Then, as one does, she asked for wage parity. While the show is called Castle, it is really about their relationship. Beckett being as important to the story as Castle. Stania had never been on a long running TV show, so she looked to Nathan to help her adjust to the TV schedule. So after season 4, she asked for a raise to be more in line with Nathan. He didn't like that. He apparently thought he was still the big draw and Stania was his assistant, instead of equal co-star. If this is all true, Nathan was not supportive of the change and if Stania no longer considered him her mentor, every thing he told her would have irritated her more, which in turn would have made him angry. Whether it was sudden or more of a gradual thing, we may never know. Both actors have kept a tight lid on the subject, which says to me that they are classy or there is enough there to make them both look bad.
Is that so called feud the main reason Stana hasn't appeared as a guest in The Rookie? Tsk! Molly appeared at least twice and so did Tamala. Seamus and John guested too. I'm also still waiting for Ruben, Penny, and Susan to show up too. May be a pipedream!
It was blatantly obvious that the original writers were not involved in the final season. They regressed both Castle and Becket's characterizations and wrote a sloppy espionage seasonal plot that made no sense. The fact that Beckett took the idiot ball and ran with it by not trusting either her detectives nor Castle showed no understanding of how she developed throughout the series.
I always wondered if Fillion and Stanik faked the whole feud thing to purposefully tank the hopes of a 9th season. Who knows? Maybe they were having issues, but canceling it was the right call.
No, Fillion wanted the series to continue, and he floated the idea of making the show centered on him. He supposedly said, "it's called Castle not Castle and Beckett." I believe that's why they initially fired the actress who played the captain, so they could make way for a new love interest.
It seems like a similar situation to Jag. The final seasons saw characters behave in ways that made no sense and I got the distinct impression that the two leads didn't like each other very much. Catherine Bell was even more than willing to shoulder the series by herself after David James Elliott was informed he wouldn't be returning, before the season was ultimately cancelled.
@@kimc5814 I doubt you'd be able to make a new love interest in the show to be honest. Fans would just up-and-leave. It was all about Kate Beckett since/from Season 1 Episode 1. In the time travel episode it was revealed that they even ended up having 3 children together,
Seasons 1-4 is one segment of the show imho. The climax of the first half of the show was 4x23 in Always. We had to go 3/4 years of a 'will-they-won't-they?' I doubt any A-list actress, even the best of the best, would make any fans forget about Beckett. It just feels wrong.
@@FlowersForYourGrave Here's my theory for how the beginning of season 9 would play out: The first episode would start 6 months or a year after Beckett's death and center on a depressed and self destructive Castle spiraling down deep. Esposito and Ryan try talking to him about coming back and helping with a case, but no go. They talk to their gorgeous new captain about Castle and how essential he was to solving cases. She pays him a visit and tells him how she found the strength to move forward after her husband died, and telling him that it's time he honored Beckett's memory by getting himself out of his abyss, and start helping others find justice for their dead loved ones again...then, after a few episodes of cases where they get drawn together, it's off to the races with will they or won't they again.
@@kimc5814 Your idea sounds interesting to be fair, but the issue is, as I said beforehand; the show became all about Kate Beckett (possibly more so than Castle). Sure, every episode started in Castle's loft, but Castle and Beckett as a duo was obviously the main attraction of the show and the centre of attention of many episodes. Despite Stana's contract being terminated w/ ABC and the show, the character was never intended to be killed off. The revelation after the cancellation of the show was that Season 9 was going to centre the first few episodes around the couples' recovery and then hits with the epiphany/discovery that Kate is pregnant. The Season 9 was gonna try and adjust itself to feel more like how Seasons 1-3 did, but with Kate and Richard dealing with the pregnancy as the secondary focus. The proposed main "antagonist" of Season 9 was going to be a female serial killer. There has been a 23 episode fan fiction written with this directive in mind I believe.
Imo this idea that they had for season 9 should've been what they did in Season 8, but it wasn't to be. Needless to say, your idea is still very good tbf. Though, I'm not sure Kate dying would sit well with me. I simply couldn't stomach the idea that a character that focal and important throughout the majority of the duration of the show would be brutally killed off in such an anti-climactic way. Even if the new, pretty, widowed police captain was a fantastic character, I don't believe the fans would ever get over losing Beckett. I also don't see how Castle would either. 3 times married, nearing middle 40s.
una delle mie serie preferire, con Richard che usciva con le sue teorie surreali in ogni caso, è che alcune volte ci azzeccava!
I started to watch the show because even though I haven't seen anything from Nathan I have seen his name around. But stayed because of the chemistry he had with Stana and I loved his family. I was so disappointed when it was canceled and firing the female cast, wtf were they thinking? I was watching the Rookie but I heard something else about Nathan that left a really bad taste in my mouth and stopped.
I think when a show gives the fans what they want is when it starts to go downhill. I think that’s why Criminal Minds lasted so long. Derek and Penelope never got together.
I loved Castle...it was/is one of my favorite shows...I didn't realize that Fillion was such a dick...what a shame...Katic didn't deserve that...
I liked this best of all. Sad when it went off.
All these are rumours and I still loved the show. My only problem is the series ending
Everybody loves Fillion. Except of course Katic. He is adored by fans and reaches out to them and former cast mates all the time. Except Katic. Nathan is the upstanding man here.
I read multiple times that the Castle crew said the animosity was from him. They dated in real life, it didn’t work out, she acted professionally and he was the not so good guy. However, who knows the real truth but them. Too bad because they might have gotten a few more successful seasons. It was a good show!
Hey wait, that was not Jason Bateman?!
His best character is CAYDE-6 from the game Destiny 2 \m/
I used to like that show but deep down I knew that it would be doomed if Castle and Becket got together. It was so much better with the unresolved tension
From what I have heard Castle shared the same fault as the Lethal Weapon TV series, in that one of the actors thought they were more important than the series itself, //and behaved that way// not only alienating other actors but also some crew members.
I /think/ I'm right in saying that it was debatable if Katic's character was supposed to survive the S4 sniper and only persuasion made her come back to the series. That and to be frank probably paying the bills while looking for other acting jobs.
IIRC three Firefly actors did make appearances in Castle; Adam Baldwin, Gina Torres (I think), and Alan Tudyk. Also in the episode set at a science fiction convention when he hears there's been a murder Castle says 'Shiny!'
I hadn't heard about the projected ninth series and the character drops, but given that they were all - especially Beckett - central to the main story I doubt I'd have watched it anyway. In fact that pretty much proves what I said above and I suspect Katic herself may have declined another series. It might be argued that Jerald and Jones' characters weren't central but they were intertwined with the whole ensemble cast and if you tug one thread - it seems they planned tugging three threads at once - then the whole tapestry unravels. Agreed with the video that they /were/ integral.
Jewel and Summer also made guest shots on Castle. Alan, Ron, and Sean did not.
@@unklesalty3732 I don't recall those two but I'll take your word for it :)
Started watching for Filion, stayed for Seamus Dever and Jon Huertas!
The name Castle fits in with detectives named Holmes and House
I think Nathan was jealous of Stana's popularity. The last 2 years of the show were bad & I only watched one or two. When I read the ladies would all be gone, I was done.
I love this show❤❤
Loved the show.
It's always the actors who hate each other get a hot show
I had bought the first season of Castle on DVD based only on the value that Nathan Fillion brought to this show. But right from this season i understood that the characters would not be guaranteed a next season and i was immediately uninterested with what would come next. To this day, 2023-02-05, i still haven't seen seasons 2 through 8...and i have no plans to do so, especially after seeing this CZcams video.
Ngl the ending is a bit of a let down after it all, but it’s still my favourite show. Can’t deny the rest of the series is just that good 😅
I know people who have watched the show 50 times despite the negative rumors... which means the show is a quality show.
@@hfljcnysq I know bots who click on videos millions of times.
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Bridget Moynahan would of been a better choice to play Beckett.
Hell no
Reports state that Fillion had his own idea for Beckett. When producers went with Stana Katic, Fillion was said to be salty about the choice. He wanted a gf of his, I forget which one, for his on screen foil.
Did they die at the end or live cause of the last scene when they had 2 kids
But I wished it was still going I still watch the reruns tho
@@benjaminphelps9562 They survived the shooting and went on to have 3 children named Lily, Reece and Jake.
I liked it very much back then, but wouldn't enjoy a rewatch, knowing that Nathan behaved badly towards Stana
Nice of you guys to recycle your old video from the time--smart to cut the unfounded allegations though--maybe don't use gossip mags as a source for information
So in short, you have no new information, and nothing to say on top of it. Good to know.
So was Nathan jealous ,of his co star,who was very popular. I hope not,I watch the rookie ,and I like Tim much better ,I started watching because of him,but he became a dud,when they put him,with Bailey,and the zodiac rookie,who pushes her astrology.
huh?
The best detective show ever
Should have ended years before...
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Money. I’m sure of it. Fillion wanted a bigger check, or the others wanted a bigger check and thought they had support from Fillion. Either way, money.
What
This old chestnut
The best thing about the show is Molly Quinn. No one remembers what else is on the show
The babe is a total boomer babe
Nathan got jealous of all the attention and fame Stana received!
nahh. the actress's acting was subpar
1st
The girly man and the manly girl show
I loved the Castle character, and ALL the support cast...especially Susan Sullivan who was hilarious. Could not stand Beckett! She was nasty, smug, and full of herself. There were even times when I immediately hit the mute button when she showed up.
When he disappeared before the wedding what was the explanation and since they hated each other they had to keep separating them
I haven't watched this video yet, but it's this a repost? I feel like I've watched this or something similar to this. I'll edit this later if I was right or wrong.