Pinarello Dogma F v S-Works Tarmac v Colnago V4Rs v Cervelo S5: 2023 TdF bikes Ridden & RATED
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- Here’s which premium road bike we’d choose after putting in the miles. Pinarello Dogma F vs Specialized S-Works Sl7 Tarmac vs Colnago V4RS vs Cervelo S5 in the ultimate road bike test including weights, prices and ride feel comparisons. These very expensive road bikes are what the likes of Wout Van Aert, Jonas Vingegaard, Egan Bernal and Peter Sagan will be riding at this years Tour de France but which one will we choose?
We've had a chance to ride the best 2023 lightweight and aero road bikes in the business, which of these Tour de France bikes would you choose? Let us know in the comments section below...
Full reviews of the bikes can be found on the road.cc website
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0:00 Introduction
0:37 Pinarello Dogma F
1:50 Colnago V4Rs
2:39 Cervelo S5
3:51 Specialized S-Works Tarmac Sl7
5:10 Which is most expensive!?
6:09 Geometry compared
8:06 Which is the lightest road bike?
9:12 Tyre clearance
9:56 Looks/colours
11:24 Ride Impressions
13:30 Which is best!?
14:25 Buying advice
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PINARELLO DOGMA F anyday... the most special of all of them. I have 3 of them.
The video is superb and much needed for those who would like to buy a new frame and did not have the opportunity to try any of those bikes. Let me say that you have done a wonderful job on this one and great summary. I follow you and your channel and would like to see more nice and creative content that caters for the riders needs
Cheers! Means a lot, glad you enjoyed
Thanks, one of the honest reviews about superbikes!
Excellent video and highlighting the pro and cons of each bike. BTW which bike stand is that, under the Colnago? Thanks in advance
Fantastic review!
Absolutely the Pinarello, no doubt about it. But only if it has campagnolo. A dream bike for me
I own a Pinarello F12, the bike is flat out fast and handles like nothing else. All these bikes are fine machines, for me I love the Pinarello looks all the way back the Think 2. You strip off the paint (maybe not the Cervélo in this group) and it is difficult to tell them apart. That will never be the case with Pinarello.
For me, the pinarello and sl7 stand out. They just look amazing. Am waiting for the new tarmac to make it mine (conditional that they have nice colors) if not, then white pinarello
I can get the same bike from the same factory without the name painted on it for 500 bucks. They are all made in CHINA at the same place! 😂😂
@@chrisscanlon3717 There‘s a reason why people like you don‘t get it. It‘s not on the bike, it‘s on the person. As simple as that!
I don’t even ride road & thoroughly enjoyed this video. Well done!
That pinarello with campag ❤❤❤
Really good to see objective ride reviews and comparisons with actual criticisms.
it wasn't long ago that 28mm tyres were regarded as super wide, massive, gigantic and only used in winter rides. I ditched 25mm for 28mm back around 2017. The difference in comfort was easily noticable and being more comfortable especially on longer rides led to better performance too.
I did the same and managed to convince a few friends, however still encountered riders that thought 23mm were the way to go lol.
I only race on 26 :-) but all training is on 28 or even 42 gravel. Old budy vote for comfort
My next build has 32C. I've ridden 28 and 32 back to back: 32 all day every day :). I'm about 82kg though, so mileage may vary
Pinarello Dogma F would be my choice.
Great video! But would love to see more videos of some other brands like Scott, Bianchi, giant and lapierre. Seen so many videos of sl7s and Pinarello now.
Don't forget Wilier and De Rosa. I rarely see cycling channels covering those brands
It all depends if the brands has the marketing budget to spend to get it featured.
@@dionisiuskusuma1462 yea very true
All one percenters. Sick with envy! 😂
You can get a Pinarello F5 with 105 di2 for the price of a Dogma F frame. Yes it is lower grade carbon but do you need Dogma levels?
I bought the F7 with Ultegra Di2 and upgraded the wheels to Zipp 404 and the tires to Vittoria Corsa Pro's. In total the bike costs about 7300 like this if you can get a good deal. With Assioma power meter pedals, two elite bottle cages and camelbak bottles, garmin mount and garmin 840 the bikes comes in complete at 8.5 kilos. Not heavy by no means. Take out the pedals and all other stuff easily a 7.5 kilo bike.
So the new F series from Pinarello is the value for money bike. It is slightly cheaper than a non s-works sl7 with similar equipment and any s5 by a large margin.
I could get similar performance from an Infiniti but i want to drive a Porsche. Same reason i'm pickup up the "F" on Saturday. Because i WANT it, not cuz i need it.
Truth @14:36. I was really torn on the F and S7, ended going for an F with CSR. Couldn’t stand the grouppo so ended up rebuilding it with a 1 x system sram, now l love it. Reality is love to ride what l build, this being number 26 in a long line of beautiful and purposeful machines. The F has been my biggest joy to date.
The Colnago just looks so cool but I think the S5 is the best bike here but overall I whould go for the R5 as my favorite bike
Never ridden the S5, but like the Colnago best of the others. Great ride - quite comfortable, but very lively.
what is your swork size ?
and what size are you?
The CERVELO S5 cockpit was not designed to cheat the wind it was a way the engineers came up with the solution of running mechanical cables and reducing the bends.
Its true😂 the host did not know what he is talking about
im an S5 owner, but id loved to get the Sworks SI7 too... Where are Factor and Bianchi?
I've been enjoying my FRM - came with a techno holistic fitting - perfect ride !
Pina f is beautiful…that color is possibly the worst currently on offer and the paint looks amazing in real life.. love The SL7 too.. although complete Dura Ace bike is £800 more than the Dogma.. cervelo cool but too ‘aero’ for me.. frankly any of us would be happy with any of them! It’s. Brand / style thing.. subjective and emotive.. great vid
All beautiful
I wouldn’t mind just having a little walk on part like “Stu” did!
Great Video, really enjoy this type of content. Keep up the good work!
Great video. Sl7 for me. If my ego was talking then its the dogma. 😊
The Tarmac for me. Since I already ride Specialized, I'd have to get all new kit which would increase the price of the others...LOL.
What about the new Cannondale Supersix EVO LAB71?
Great review. I have the S5 and S-Works SL7 and both are incredible. One not mentioned is the R5 that I have which is awesome as well.
I think the S5 and the S-Works are best of the 4 in this video.
I have the s5 as well and I’m actually liking I to the sl8 or the R5… which do you prefer between those 2? The s5 can’t climb, but it’s fast as fuckkkkkkk
So I want a climbing fast home
Thanks
whats the saddle of the colnago?
Grand advice
2023 France Biking Race Start tonight my time 🚴🎉❤😎! Many adorable bikes❤ on earth 🌍
I would go for Pinarello.
SL7 and Colnago❤
I just brought f pinarello nice bike Chinese love it
Team Wanty, Cube Litening Aero C:68X! After being a Canyon fan for a decade I got a Cube (because Cube finally decided to do proper paint jobs). I wanted an Aeroad, but Canyon could not deliver. I am really amazed what the Cube can do, some say it is up there with the Aeroad, Pride 2, Aerfast 4, and I agree. Nice side affect, I have money left for a second high end bike 👍
Nice bike! have a 2017 cube litening c68 slt disc. Not very aero compared to today's aero bikes but it's very light weight. Would love to upgrade to the new cube litening air.
I think I'd go with something like Scott Foil or Merida Reacto. If I only had to go with one of 4 bikes featured in the video, then the choice would be Dogma. They are all aero frames that have higher stack than usual, so chances are you'll be more comfortable in the aero hoods position.
Kinda missing a few bikes, Super6 Lab71, Canyon Aeroad , etc
Would have been the S5 but I already have the 2021 model. I’m guessing there will be an SL8 at some point so I’ll wait for that.
Aero and lightweight started with the Cervelo SLC-SL in 2006... That bike is still faster than most "all round" frames
I will probably pick the Pinarello because it looks different. I will not pick the Specialized S-Works because it is too common of a bike. Plus the Specialized bikes value will do a nose dive after you take it out of the shop.
i like how you said premium bikes and not the best bikes , because anyone who's been into cycling for a while can tell you that price and quality/value have very little to do with each other in cycling - particularly when it comes to 'premium' brands .
As someone who cannot afford these kind of bikes, it makes me appreciate the advancement of technologies in bicycles.
Yes, you can run 32 tires on the Pinarello. I run 30’s on my Dogma.
here's hoping for some new bike launches at the TdF
greetings, why do they advertise only S-Works as a super light and fast bike for all trails from flat to uphill and downhill when we also have Pinarello, Colnago and Cervelo, Giant TCR Advanced Pro. and one more question, which of them is the most comfortable for long drives
S-works all the way..ive owned the dogma and its a different ride..the SL7 tarmac just seems more lively and responsive..the hate for the s-works sl7 comes because of the price tag..lol
Good Comparison but you cant compare Ferrari with Audi or BMW.
Pinarello Dogma F is absolutely a master class !
I will take the BMC slr 01
I love the 'ordinary' look of the Colnago! That's why I ride the V3!
Same here. Its just a lovely looking bike in that paint job. The pinarello is just straight up ugly. Looks like a child tried to design something edgy looking. SL7 looks nice as well.
S5 I just like the way cervelo look, plus I prefer to go fast mountain rides suck
S-Works 🔥
They all look alike to me. I guess best designs converge to the best design.
BMC of course !!! 😊
CERVELO .. Because WOUT is the BEST
Pinarello is like a ferrari of bike, looks so futuristic and manly and the Cervelo is like the most fancy one in look.
I pick both Cervelo and Pinarello
Out of those beautiful bikes, it would have to be the Pinarello, but from a world tour team choice, the Cannondale Lab71 and Willier SLR would be fighting it out for my attention. The Cannondale would probably just edge it!
A very special Cannondale lab71 will be featuring very soon!
Which bike do you own. I think I'd go canyon aeroad cfr
Cannondale Lab 71?
Coming to road.cc soon!
I have the Pinarello Dogma F 2023 Midnight silver, Her name is
Moon Lyte. The best all around bike and I love her
Pinarello or Colnago 😊
2:29 nice chain line xDDD
Everyone runs S so to standout the Pinarello is the one to have!
8:47 1st place (3:12)
5:10 2nd place
2:25
Dogma and Tarmac
I am a S5 man all the way
Cervelo is a part of Focus group
Dogma F for me.
At the world tour level. It’s more about the rider not the bike.
A better bike only matters on individual time trials. Where every tiny marginal gains counts.
Interesting comparison..
All 4 of these bikes are VERY focused, similar ..yet different
The takeaway at the end of the video encapsulates the state of the bike industry..
All 4 bikes are PURE RACE bikes
Very few consumers for these bikes could tolerate the huge compromises of lack of comfort , minimal performance gains , especially at the OUTRAGEOUS prices they command
As stated too here , 99% of consumers riders can get the performance parameters that suit their needs with bikes that are half or a third of the cost...which is still...OUTRAGEOUS
There is a very strong market demand in the 2nd hand market for lightly used , NOS road bikes that provide a SUPERB alternative.
If you shop well as I have , one can find these bikes , components at a fraction of what they cost NEW as well as less then a mediocre NEW bike
I have purchased numerous NOS or lightly used HYPER bikes that were the best of their generation s
All of them provide SUPERB performance parameters, quality and most importantly..PURE rider satisfaction, feed back , that the majority of current GEN bikes are lacking
The costs are also substantially less too
Bottom line
EXCELLENT alternative
The missed the best one of the whole peleton, the Factor Ostro....fastest and best made of the whole group.
from my experienced:
flat road: dogma > v3rs (never test v4rs) > sl7
climb road: sl7 > v3rs > dogma
they all have their own advantgae
sir, which bike is best for mountain climbing?
@@irenkii think colnago c68 and swork aethos, cervelo r5
thank you very much , sir !
Pinarello Dogma ✅
DOGMA F12
No BMC?
Great video - thank you. As per 99% of cyclists, I'd love a new bike. However, how can you choose when it's almost impossible to test ride anything. Do people really spend north of £5k without actually riding one? Also, 54cm for you SL7 seems far too small when I look at their size chart - I'm guessing you're around 185cm?
There are some bike shops that now offer test rides and we can't recommend doing that enough! And Jamie is 183cm so yes the size chart would put him on a 56cm...he's pretending he's a pro...and to be fair the bike fitter last week didn't chuck him out!
Where is the best performance for the money bike! It'll be the Giant Propel!
There is an important reason the Colnago front end is more relaxed. Grand Tours go downhill a-lot!
I would take the fastest bike the Cervélo
Supersix?
Funny you should say that, coming soon to a road.cc near you: A fully tricked out supersix
Cervelo
Where is Trek Madone SLR ?
Maybe you can convince them to send us one…
Wait wait wait... why tout 4 bikes but only picture 3 of them; where's the Cervelo??
It’s there! We just had to film the shots on a different day because it turns out van Aerts bike is in high demand
cannondale supersix evo
For an average rider like me, spending 10.000 pounds or more for a bike is not very smart. I understand for some people that is not a lot of money, but for most of us it is. On the other hand, like every road bike rider, I too can see the appeal to ride a bike that win the stage or indeed the tour. I think it is partly to do with "identifying" ourselves with pro-riders. For me, I ride Specialized Tarmac as someone who likes climbing. I think it does fantastic job on that.
Frameset prices are outrageous!
Wait until you want to buy a seatpost. 450 Euros for a Pina post.
@@SrFedericowell to be credible it has to be proportional :)
It's silly though, especially when you start talking to the OEM factories that make carbon frames in China.
@@pierrex3226 Yeah, i bought one of Aliexpress for 50 Euros, saddle cracked off when I first sat on it. So even more expensive than the original...
And its the same seatpost for the Prince or F5 than for the Dogmas. There goes the proportionality...
@@SrFederico it's like driving a Lamborghini. You have to expect the cup holders to cost a thousand bucks. It is dumb, but it is logical
Crazy you can get a custom Titanium frame made for that price that would ride better than, Those carbon bikes And The weight of the frame would be hardly negligible.
You can also 3D print titanium to any aero shape. If titanium 3D printing manufacturing technology improves further and lowers cost in the future. We might see it rival carbon fiber frames.
why did Specialized not present the sl8 ???
😢 we wish they did too
Ce doit être compliqué de faire mieux que le 7 ,on ne remplace pas un vélo exceptionnel aussi facilement
You're forgetting the best bike of them all - Giant Propel
Merida?
The Wilier Triestina Filante SLR is the best and best looking, end of discussion
thats my man!
The Filante is definitely on my lotto list!
The giant propel
i say wilier filante!
The graph literally states the tarmac is not faster than the venue, with “faster” I imagine meaning aero
There were 3 generations of Venge and indeed, the 3rd was, according to Specialized, a tiny bit more aero that the current SL7.
where Trek and Scott
The ultimate road bike is the one you can easily afford. Fuck the gate keepers and elitists, 99% of us don't make a living out of our bikes, just buy the best thing you can afford and still pay the rest of the bills.
Having said that, my bike is a 2021 Giant TCR Advanced SL, rim brake with Ultegra R8000, Mavic Cosmic SL 45 Wheels, Continental GP5000 clincer tires, 3T Aeronova bars and Garmin Rally XC200 pedals. Took me 2 years to build and...afford. Love that toy of mine.
That graph says the Venge is faster though?
The latest one is slightly faster, we meant that the sl7 is faster than venge's of old, for example the first gen and the vias, we should have made that clearer - apologies
There were negative opinions on Dogma's responsiveness from a pro familiar with all the bikes you showed (perhaps except Colnago). Great bike, but its look and ego are one step ahead of its capacity.
...says the armchair expert.
Pinarello is owned by the Vuitton people, it's been a luxury brand for over a decade. Mortals who buy pinarello are people who want to make a statement, above all else, I'd say
How can a bike have an ego?
@@cycleoflife565 When the marketing team overclaims while the QC/engineering goes home early.
Specialized is 2 rungs below pinarello or colnago. no comparison.
How the heck is this not a conflict of interest? The reviewer owns one of the bikes and surprise surprise guess which bike he chooses... HIS OWN.
He wants a new bike - just hasn’t found it yet
Ce qui prouve qu’il dit la vérité…il avait le choix vu qu’ils sont dans les mêmes prix et il a choisi le sl7,ça aurait été étrange d’avoir pris un sl7 et de préférer le cervelo…
Le sl7 est un vélo extraordinaire,il est bon partout,confortable et en même temps très réactif,pourquoi aller voir ailleurs ? J’étais un peu sceptique quand je lisais que c’était le meilleur vélo actuellement et j’ai fini par changer pour ce sl7(j’adore son esthétique) et il est indéniable,ce vélo est parfait et conviendra à tous car bon partout et à n’importe quel rythme ! Après le nouveau Look blade RS a l’air d’être exceptionnel lui aussi ces vélo bons à tout son fantastiques!
supersix naw?
Supersix content incoming!
Those aren't exactly tdf bikes