How Much Better Have Pro Bikes Got In 10 Years?

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  • čas přidán 22. 05. 2024
  • Pro bikes have come a long way! The Pinarello Dogma is one of the most iconic bikes within the pro peloton, but how far has it come? Ollie got his hands on Bradley Wiggins's old pro bikes and is here to guide us through the ins and outs of these modern legends.
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Komentáře • 487

  • @gcn
    @gcn  Před 11 měsíci +16

    Which version on the Pinarello would you choose? 🤔

    • @aodhanrichards2066
      @aodhanrichards2066 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Racing take the lightest with some aero improvements and training take heaviest

    • @tollph3314
      @tollph3314 Před 11 měsíci +10

      F8

    • @aliensporebomb
      @aliensporebomb Před 11 měsíci +3

      F8 purely for historical reasons and the colourway is perfect. Ollie seemed to enjoy it too. If my "unreasonably rich friends" were footing the bill, the F would be nice.

    • @filipdenijs1997
      @filipdenijs1997 Před 11 měsíci +8

      Latest Dogma F if you are paying

    • @charliecook6909
      @charliecook6909 Před 11 měsíci

      Did you film this is Christmas common?

  • @ericsaari2901
    @ericsaari2901 Před 11 měsíci +17

    F8 without disc brakes is the choice from me. Narrower bars and modern components on that would make it even better than the F, imho. Manufacturers just shooting themselves in the foot these days, when you cannot choose a rim brake option.

  • @ericl2339
    @ericl2339 Před 11 měsíci +6

    Still have my Dogma 65.1 from 2014. Love it ❤

  • @mogglie
    @mogglie Před 11 měsíci +3

    I’ve got a 65.1 black on black dogma. From 2013. All built with seam red 10 speed. And some Zipp 404.

  • @JonCannings
    @JonCannings Před 11 měsíci +70

    Ollie, never believe what you get told! There were lots more than four of those Prologo "mod" saddles made. I have one, and I can tell you where another is 😉. As for the wheels, I can tell you who Brad got the Zipps from too 😊
    The 2012 bike is a beauty IMO.

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Před 11 měsíci +4

      What an amateur 😉

    • @jani724
      @jani724 Před 11 měsíci +4

      There he is! Hopefully we see you back in the tech shop one day

    • @byrondixon4648
      @byrondixon4648 Před 11 měsíci +4

      I'd love an appearance from 'my grubby little hands again' 😁

    • @JonCannings
      @JonCannings Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@gcn nah, it's easy to imagine that such a saddle would be made in very limited numbers. Ollie did a fantastic job presenting this video. But, I do feel his saddle is about 2-3mm too high

    • @ericl2339
      @ericl2339 Před 11 měsíci +1

      23mm tyres only?! I still have my dogma 65.1 and it could run 25mm tyres no problem at all!

  • @JSC131
    @JSC131 Před 11 měsíci +15

    The Dogma F8 a pure beauty great content ollie and had the privilege of seeing those rim brake bikes at the London Olympics and TDF.

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Před 11 měsíci +2

      The golden year! ⭐️

  • @gasken2182
    @gasken2182 Před 11 měsíci +24

    I’ve been lucky enough to own a dogma 60.1, 65.1 and an F8. The F8 on a dry day (I only took it out in the dry - was too afraid to trash the wheels), it’s the best bike I’ve owned. I kinda feel it’s better than my tarmac Sl7.

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Před 11 měsíci +3

      The F8 is a great bike! Do you still have it? 👀

    • @rr94600choisy
      @rr94600choisy Před 9 měsíci

      Le meilleur vélo c était le Cannondale super six

    • @Ciclista-rz2zl
      @Ciclista-rz2zl Před 3 měsíci

      can you describe the characteristics of the dogma 60.1/65.2 😊

  • @levbobrov1398
    @levbobrov1398 Před 11 měsíci +14

    It is impressive how long Ollie can talk about the differences of how the bikes feel, while I am sure the only thing I would be able to say is 🤷‍♂️

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Před 11 měsíci +2

      Hahahaha he really knows what he's talking about. You've got to be careful not to set him off

  • @luigipollaste6537
    @luigipollaste6537 Před 11 měsíci +104

    Would be really interesting to see an f8 modified with ultra modern components to see how much you can get it under 6.8 kg

    • @evertonyoung4031
      @evertonyoung4031 Před 11 měsíci +1

      I think because he only had access to Bradley Wiggins bikes he could only review those two but I think the F10 has got more possibilities and also with a few German lightweight component you could get an absolute light bike.

    • @jaskepinski1096
      @jaskepinski1096 Před 11 měsíci +1

      propably sub 5kg

    • @yutehube4468
      @yutehube4468 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@jaskepinski1096 Are you being serious? Do you think that is possible?

    • @timotius
      @timotius Před 11 měsíci

      Yes, with aero narrow handle bar will be nice!

    • @TakanashiRikka22
      @TakanashiRikka22 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@yutehube4468 i mean with a drill anything is possible

  • @saracen888
    @saracen888 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Where’s the wind tunnel test?

  • @simonsepic
    @simonsepic Před 11 měsíci +68

    1 minute in and I'm already thinking a certain Australian youtuber that is typical quite vocal on his views of gcn might actually enjoy this one lmao

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Před 11 měsíci +13

      I'm sure we'll find out 😉

    • @leonsutton299
      @leonsutton299 Před 11 měsíci +6

      Yes my bro Mr DR 👊👊

    • @simonsepic
      @simonsepic Před 11 měsíci

      @@leonsutton299 pmsl see didn't have ti say it

    • @outtrigger
      @outtrigger Před 11 měsíci

      who are you talking about?

    • @simonsepic
      @simonsepic Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@outtrigger Mr dr

  • @stevem3308
    @stevem3308 Před 10 měsíci +3

    Currently riding a 2014 S-Works Tarmac SL4 with the final iteration of Dura-Ace R9100 mechanical and just replaced the Dura-Ace C24 wheels with the same. It's light, fast and far more capable than I will ever make use of. 26C tires are nice and while I can "squeeze" a 28C in the front, the frame is stuck at 26C. SoCal dry weather is where I ride so discs are not necessarily and Di2 will not make me any faster!

  • @adamlucarelli7933
    @adamlucarelli7933 Před 11 měsíci

    These are great...fantastic comparison vid!

  • @akimballa5581
    @akimballa5581 Před 11 měsíci +14

    I love my F8 and my F10. They roll like on rails both and always seem to push you to go faster. Quite unique feel I would say. The F10 is a bit faster and that bit less harsh. Phenomenal how advanced the F8 was back in 2015.

  • @oliverbridgewood3929
    @oliverbridgewood3929 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Hey everyone. The wind tunnel comparison is coming out, hopefully this weekend on GCN Tech

    • @fastasasloth
      @fastasasloth Před 11 měsíci

      Has pinarello blocked the wind tunnel vid? ;)

  • @cyclonutterd7075
    @cyclonutterd7075 Před 11 měsíci +50

    My F8 is phenomenal, I don't like disc brakes at all, so it would be another F8 for me 👍

    • @terbennett
      @terbennett Před 11 měsíci +9

      Yeah. I sold my 2000 Super Six Evo HM Dura Ace last year to do a Dura Ace rim brake bike build. Nothing wrong with disc brakes. They work for many, but I living here in Southern California, prefer rim brakes.. I love the feel of them when braking and the frame feels livelier.

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Před 11 měsíci +5

      It's definitely an amazing bike!

    • @veganpotterthevegan
      @veganpotterthevegan Před 10 měsíci

      It's a great bike but how much time do you have riding comparable descents with disc brakes? They're simply better across the board with braking, and wet weather just makes that gap larger

    • @cyclonutterd7075
      @cyclonutterd7075 Před 10 měsíci

      @@veganpotterthevegan, noisy, scraping, look rubbish, poor areo, too powerful for such a small patch of rubber on the road, just look at all of the accidents in the pro races.

  • @terbennett
    @terbennett Před 11 měsíci +10

    It's funny you mentioned the Dura Ace Di2 on the 2012 model. Back then SRAM's marketing was trashing electronic shifting, telling us that mechanical shifting was for the true cyclist. I had a 2011 Felt F1 with Dura Ace Di2. The only issue I had was the stress of thinking if something failed, I was in trouble on longer rides. The system was trouble-free.

    • @automotive474
      @automotive474 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Fine but the mechanical system is trouble free too. Minus the stress...?

    • @terbennett
      @terbennett Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@automotive474 I agree. I like Di2, but have been moving back to mechanical while I still can. Plus, it makes riding more enjoyable when you're riding long distances. The fear of something failing sticks with you if you've ever had a battery go bad or a component malfunction. Mechanical eliminates that stress, as you mentioned.

    • @veganpotterthevegan
      @veganpotterthevegan Před 10 měsíci +1

      ​@@terbennettelectronic shifting failures are nearly always due to not charging. The rare instances of equipment failure are probably no more common than a broken shifter cable.

  • @abosworth
    @abosworth Před 11 měsíci +3

    Those are some gorgeous bikes! What a great privilege you've had, getting to ride such cool bikes.

  • @jamesbull9879
    @jamesbull9879 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Would be interesting to stack up the f10 and 12 too. I still think the 10 is my favourite ❤️

  • @johnnyk6906
    @johnnyk6906 Před 11 měsíci +3

    only I notice in previous generations is the refinement. new design/setup becomes more refined in speed, comfort, and overall reliability. seems like with each new gen the price goes up by 15-20%? not sure how many casual riders like myself will folk out $15k? I do have to admit Pinarello is absolutely a beauty.

  • @zuritione
    @zuritione Před 11 měsíci +2

    Pinarello F8 with an integrated aero handlebar. The appearance and the performance of rim brakes bikes with aero details are the best ones.

  • @AdiGaskell
    @AdiGaskell Před 11 měsíci +23

    Earlier this week: GCN asks has bike marketing gone too far.
    Today: GCN puts out yet another video promoting crazily expensive bikes

    • @__-bk6mm
      @__-bk6mm Před 11 měsíci +3

      They weren’t promoting they were comparing retro bikes there’s a big difference.

    • @stevecooper7038
      @stevecooper7038 Před 11 měsíci

      @@__-bk6mm Same effect.

    • @AdiGaskell
      @AdiGaskell Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@__-bk6mm it's all part of the narrative though. Expensive bikes are way better than affordable bikes, or in this case, new expensive bikes are way better than older expensive bikes. It's all pushing people to spend more and more money.

    • @sean9820
      @sean9820 Před 11 měsíci +3

      Imagine if Top Gear just endlessly promoted 10 year old cars and resisted any changes in the industry? It's simply not realistic. This is a bike review channel and they make a living covering the latest and greatest. Yes there is a lot of BS in the industry, but don't hate the player (gcn), hate the game. Sincerely, a rim brake rider.

    • @AdiGaskell
      @AdiGaskell Před 11 měsíci

      @@sean9820 it creates an incredibly elitist vibe about the sport though, which the likes of TGH have complained about because working class people have no hope

  • @xanovsky
    @xanovsky Před 11 měsíci +1

    Just yesterday I was watching Si´s review of Wiggins' Black and Gold F8. What a beauty. Still a dream bike

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Před 11 měsíci

      An icon! You should check out our film we made on Pinarello on GCN+ 👉 gcn.eu/pinarellostory

  • @jascollinscork
    @jascollinscork Před 11 měsíci +1

    Cracking trio of bikes! Definitely pick the F8 to cycle for the rest of my life 😍 AND a Pity you forgot the shadow stand for the still clips of them though 🤷🏼‍♂️ 😂

  • @getshrekt9023
    @getshrekt9023 Před 11 měsíci

    I actually have that same model and colour of 2012 bike, except it’s the pinarello Paris as my bike now haha. Picked it up off eBay and it still runs nice

  • @BioramaDE
    @BioramaDE Před 11 měsíci +6

    F8 - It is a milestone in bike frame evolution...

  • @lukewalker1051
    @lukewalker1051 Před 11 měsíci +50

    F8 without disc brakes for me which is largely chosen in the comments by others. Light is right, aero enough, no buried cables nor integrated cockpit if I decide to change stem length by 10mm.
    In desperation to carve out continuous marketing niches to sell more bikes, the bike industry has shot itself in the foot as many of us with technical sensibility have keep our old carbon bikes which are uber light, compliant, mechanical shifting and 1/3 the cost. Bike maintenance is much easier on the old bikes.
    All about profit for the bike industry. Btw, the car industry is the same. Hybrid technology which fails like clockwork 'out of warranty', 100 computers 2.5 x's the part complexity...all for profit when consumers are much better off with a single power plant. Simple from a reliability cost aka failure standpoint is always better. Math and physics.
    In effect, the public is being lied to, innovation which is change without value added for profit. Started in the bike industry 10 years ago with press fit. Most believe carbon was a technical advancement.
    Cheers Ollie. Thanks for the comparison. Will head to the tech channel and learn there is a 5 watt drag saving of the latest Pinarello at 50 kph which can be offset with a sunglasses change. 😉

  • @brianrainey2739
    @brianrainey2739 Před 11 měsíci +36

    If I had to ride a dogma I would take the 2012. Rim brakes, wider handlebar, adjustable stem/bar position, cables I can service. I dont think wider bars were “fashion” in 2012, it was what riders wanted because they were comfortable using them. There were lots of narrow choices 10 years ago but they didnt want them.

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Před 11 měsíci +1

      You may be right! Riders are always having to compromise with equipment

    • @yuritarded621
      @yuritarded621 Před 11 měsíci +5

      @@gcn specially now riders compromise even the whole Giro for sponsors imagine if Geraint Thomas was given a rim brake Pinarello F on that stage you don't even need to brake on that stage you just need to climb disc brake just doesn't make sense.

    • @grahamaustin9085
      @grahamaustin9085 Před 11 měsíci

      My 1978 Falcon had 38cm bars and I still use that width. I've tried 42cm but they feel too wide.

    • @yuritarded621
      @yuritarded621 Před 11 měsíci

      @@grahamaustin9085 I think 40cm on the tops is the sweet spot with 42cm flare on the drops and the shifters turned in

    • @HkFinn83
      @HkFinn83 Před 10 měsíci

      100% agree. Another advantage from the 2012 is the more functional handlebars. Not just the width but they had more hand positions. Seems all of today’s bikes have those hideous ‘aero’ bars you can’t actually grip.

  • @ThrowmeAFrigginbone
    @ThrowmeAFrigginbone Před 11 měsíci

    Nice to see those Speedplay/Wahoo pedals. Don't know that I could go back. I'm still riding a 1st gen Di2, yeah that battery is not pleasant to look at but it works.

  • @raykleiner3151
    @raykleiner3151 Před 3 měsíci

    I used to race a Pinarello a long time ago, and it was one of the most uncomfortable road bikes to ride back then. These tests are great for the pro riders who don't even buy their bikes, they ride whatever is given to the team, so it really is marketing whichever way you look at it. The typical person that buys the DOGMA F in my LBS is over 50, runs a small business and rides at the weekends to show his bike off. It is back in the workshop every other week for adjustments! I just ride.

  • @mathewrose2951
    @mathewrose2951 Před 11 měsíci +2

    I am on the last rim brake version of the Bianchi Oltre right now. I'd love the current Dogma F as my next bike, but I'm not really about the price tag. I'll get one in about 6 years once my Oltre is 8 years old, and then I won't feel guilty about what I paid.

  • @lesley9888
    @lesley9888 Před 11 měsíci

    awesome video

  • @elliottso6949
    @elliottso6949 Před 11 měsíci +9

    really nice to see gcn has finally started using electric bikes to film, so much more quiet 😁😁

  • @DelPi1974
    @DelPi1974 Před 6 měsíci +1

    My Dogma F10 has a threaded BB, the speed sniffer before it was cool, and it is an aero-lightweight-one-bike-to-rule-them-all-bike before it was cool too. :)

    • @tommyfreckmann6857
      @tommyfreckmann6857 Před 5 měsíci +1

      I have an F10, which is my favorite race bike of all time. And I totally agree about the speed sniffer, look identical. The F10 was ahead of it's time, one of the first to have the widely spaced(bowed) fork, recessed downtube to pull the bottle closer to frame, aero tab trailing edge off of the seatpost, and the flaps on the front drop outs. Most modern aero bikes are adapting these components.

  • @Djoki1
    @Djoki1 Před 11 měsíci +7

    Some rim brake bikes just look absolutely beautiful.

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Před 11 měsíci +1

      You can't beat that classic look 😎

    • @Blah-blah-sure
      @Blah-blah-sure Před 10 měsíci +1

      Bikes today have gotten too expensive. And just about all bikes look the same.

    • @veganpotterthevegan
      @veganpotterthevegan Před 10 měsíci +1

      ​@@Blah-blah-surebikes have largely gone up less than inflation. But unlike our bananas and potatoes, bikes are significantly better than they were 10yrs ago. My 2006 Seven was $12000. My new Domane is better in every way outside of impact resistance and it cost me $5200. That Seven would be $14000 today. Loved that bike and I put over 200k miles on it. But it's on lifetime trainer duty now.

    • @Blah-blah-sure
      @Blah-blah-sure Před 10 měsíci

      @@veganpotterthevegan I partly agree. As I have a 2010 Cannondale CAAD 10. And it works like a champ. With minimal repairs

    • @veganpotterthevegan
      @veganpotterthevegan Před 10 měsíci +1

      @Blah-blah-sure I've had everything from a CAAD 6 to a CAAD 12. I've had a lot of bikes to compare them to and they're really only great for what they are as aluminum bikes. Solid for crits and road riding IF you have smooth roads.

  • @LeanDeanFitnessChannel
    @LeanDeanFitnessChannel Před 11 měsíci +3

    F8 all day, beautiful bike, thumbs up for rim brakes too. 👌🏽

  • @10ktube
    @10ktube Před 11 měsíci +7

    Where's durianrider, he'll set you straight about this.....

  • @anttitapio4145
    @anttitapio4145 Před 11 měsíci +9

    Now....Make a video "How much easier to service have pro bikes got in 10 years" to tech channel.

  • @Acura1NSX
    @Acura1NSX Před 11 měsíci

    I've owned the Pinarello F8 and the K8s and loved them both. The speed, control and road feel is unmatched. I prefer the K8s because of the effective rear suspension it incorporates. No real weight penalty and my lower back over long rides really appreciates the smoother ride I experience. Both of these bikes climb so well and that's the biggest plus for me as a natural climber. By the way, I do run 700x28 tubeless which is so much better than the tubulars and clinchers I used to ride.... Smoother and faster!

  • @kristofferhavskov
    @kristofferhavskov Před 11 měsíci +9

    I have a Dogma F8 to this day. Works like a charm!

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Před 11 měsíci

      Nice!

  • @jon4739
    @jon4739 Před 11 měsíci

    Have a Dogma K8 not F and I just love it. It is my go to for any ride over 40 miles IMO

  • @pablosolano3553
    @pablosolano3553 Před 11 měsíci +15

    F8/F10 the way to go.
    It is insane that now pro’s bikes have all the add weight that we would avoid back in the days.

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Do you think the aero advantage is enough to warrant the extra weight?

    • @pablosolano3553
      @pablosolano3553 Před 11 měsíci +2

      There are aero advantages but the gains that you may draw from that will depend on one big variable, the cyclist.
      Lets talk SL7, it will never be the same having a fit Lulu on a SL7 frame compared to a big size Neils Politt.
      Or think of the Giant TCR, it is a cable exposed, the course of aero, and still edge others aero frame in the line.
      There are some fit guys, well fitted on their bikes who will benefit, others not.

  • @dannfong9471
    @dannfong9471 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Just on my personal taste and preference, I'd go with the F. I am no racer but love doing long rides and I think that's a beautiful bike to take pictures of in the countryside.

  • @danielgullefer9376
    @danielgullefer9376 Před 11 měsíci +1

    That f8 is by far the best and nicest looking bike in this video

  • @richcrompton6891
    @richcrompton6891 Před 11 měsíci +1

    F8 for me every weight advantage is a bonus!

  • @Arvind_R
    @Arvind_R Před 11 měsíci

    This is my new favorite CZcams channel.

  • @LawrenceSmith91
    @LawrenceSmith91 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I would probably say the F8. I love rim brakes myself, not a huge fan of disc. Equally though, in terms of aesthetics, I would probably choose the Dogma 2. I've had a few Dogma's over the years and I love the colour scheme.

  • @rickcoyne7845
    @rickcoyne7845 Před 8 měsíci

    I would Choose the F-8. Another great Video. Thank you.

  • @rangersmith4652
    @rangersmith4652 Před 11 měsíci +31

    Every person's opinion on "better" is different. Today's bikes are certainly different from those in the pro tour 10-15 years ago, but I don't consider them better. They're heavier, more complex, harder to keep working properly, and more fragile. And to boot, they're a lot more expensive. Aside from being more "aero" (I don't care for that term), it's frankly hard to see how they're better.

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Which would be your favourite bike back from a decade ago? Would it be the Pinarello?

    • @rangersmith4652
      @rangersmith4652 Před 11 měsíci +8

      @@gcn Nothing against Pinarello, but if I were "shopping" for a bike from 10--15 years ago, I'd look for a SuperSix Evo.

    • @nathanielrosa1
      @nathanielrosa1 Před 11 měsíci

      I agree

    • @roadfert
      @roadfert Před 11 měsíci +2

      I just recently upgraded from my 2013 Orbea Orca with Ultegra to a 2023 Orca with Di2 and disc brakes. I’ve been riding since 1986 so I’ve seen every major upgrade of the last 40 years including clipless pedals, STI shifting, Carbon Wheels etcetera. If anyone is going to be romantic about the old technology it’s me but I have to say the new bikes imo are better. My new Orca carries momentum so much better than my 2013 despite being heavier and disc brakes (the caveat here is if your running carbon rims) are a God send, they’re basically a fix to a problem I didn’t know I had which is that carbon brake pads on calipers are horrible. Yes they’re more expensive and much harder to work on (it’s really the brakes here because Di2 can be tuned in the app) but let’s be honest, new cars are more complicated and expensive but they’re more reliable, comfortable and provide an overall better day to day driving experience.

    • @automotive474
      @automotive474 Před 11 měsíci

      More expensive OK
      More complicated OK
      You will probably not be able to fix it yourself or maintain it OK
      But
      More reliable
      More comfortable
      Better everyday drive experience
      You are basically saying, I'd rather pay more of the fruits of my labor over and over in order to be more comfy. More power to you. That's what people don't understand when it comes to bikes or classic cars. The compromise is absolutely individual, so there is no right or wrong, however don't be surprised if rude Australian cyclists talk poorly of your choices on you tube 😅

  • @Mr229357
    @Mr229357 Před 11 měsíci +2

    The Dogma 2 is super nice, so I pick that bike 😊👍🏻👍🏻

  • @rivercloud33
    @rivercloud33 Před 11 měsíci +9

    Where is Duran Rider when you need him!
    If you know you know

  • @ethangodridge6833
    @ethangodridge6833 Před 11 měsíci +3

    As a Pinarello fan, I really enjoyed this. Thanks Dan and GCN.

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Před 11 měsíci

      Then you'll love the film we made on Pinarello! Check it out on GCN+ 👉 gcn.eu/pinarellostory

    • @lemonshire1
      @lemonshire1 Před 11 měsíci

      You mean Oli?

    • @ethangodridge6833
      @ethangodridge6833 Před 11 měsíci

      @@gcn Seen & enjoyed it.

    • @ethangodridge6833
      @ethangodridge6833 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@lemonshire1 Dan who provided the Pinarello bikes.

    • @lemonshire1
      @lemonshire1 Před 11 měsíci

      @@ethangodridge6833 Oh, my bad

  • @tszegvary
    @tszegvary Před 9 měsíci

    I bought an F8 in 2015 and still ride it. Timeless bike….still love it. Rim breaks? Yea, still also look best!!

  • @d-rdrd8069
    @d-rdrd8069 Před 11 měsíci +3

    2012 is six years newer than, what I call, my "fast bike". Watching this makes me realise just how much I need a new ride!

    • @someinconsequentialusernam7799
      @someinconsequentialusernam7799 Před 11 měsíci +3

      Not me. I’m still setting PRs on a 2011 Fuji Cross 3.0. Admittedly, I changed a few of the components, but the drive train is Sora and Deore. And it works as slick as I could hope. Newer doesn’t mean better or faster, if you keep your stuff in tune.

  • @stephenbrgoodall
    @stephenbrgoodall Před 11 měsíci

    I went from a 2012 FP due to and Dogma F, bit more of a jump than the Dogma 2 to the Dogma F is.
    That said the FP Due is upgraded with a set 50mm tubeless wheels and a aero cockpit

  • @johnnydallas9212
    @johnnydallas9212 Před 11 měsíci +1

    2012 Pinarello Dogma 2 😎🤙

  • @paulhiggins9492
    @paulhiggins9492 Před 11 měsíci +1

    As a tour team mechanic for a long time, I won’t mention the name, from Armstrong to today, most riders use 23mm tyres with latex tubes, forced onto discs, no one is happy, how the hell is a 28mm Tyres as fast as a 23mm, basic stuff, people please don’t believe the bull being marketed, this will upset people but hey it’s fact sorry. Ride safe, great upload ol…..

    • @888julianman
      @888julianman Před 11 měsíci +1

      But if marketing departments say it , and GCN agree, then it has to be true -right??? 😀😀

  • @tollph3314
    @tollph3314 Před 11 měsíci +6

    Would take F8 if i could over any modern bike just looks amazing,very light,just great racing bike all around

  • @Sansuiification
    @Sansuiification Před 11 měsíci +2

    Just sold Luke Rowe´s Pinarello Graal TT bike from 2012

  • @evertonyoung4031
    @evertonyoung4031 Před 11 měsíci +3

    Great that you're doing a bit about the old pinarello bikes,pinarello think two can take a 25 tire comfortably, but you kept insisting on it can only take up to 23, also the best of those bikes is definitely the F10, And then with the upgrade to the f12 with the double mount break's, but I think the F10 is probably better just for pure riding. experience.

  • @revstar3165
    @revstar3165 Před 11 měsíci

    Very nice video…i also ride a size 56 frame😂

  • @NunoJoel
    @NunoJoel Před 11 měsíci +4

    Dogma 2! What a Beauty!!

  • @username8644
    @username8644 Před 10 měsíci

    That 2012 bike is definitely the one I would want the most for myself.

  • @twanvanvalkengoed642
    @twanvanvalkengoed642 Před 11 měsíci

    Love you 2 😂

  • @barryliu3473
    @barryliu3473 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Welp the bike that got me into cycling is a 08 schwinn peloton pro. It has been the best bike that I have ever owned. Upgrading from a full alu hybrid (which I have ridden for 4 years) to a full carbon road bike is something that is truly amazing and sadly can only be experienced once in life.

    • @Lucash090688
      @Lucash090688 Před 11 měsíci +1

      I went from alu fixie to a Ridley helium 2012 isp.
      I could not believe the differnece….looking at getting a more modern team issue bike….shame about the €£€£€£

  • @jason200912
    @jason200912 Před 11 měsíci

    Only difference in the frames is that now they added the tt tail extension to guide wind better and filled in more of the frame than they did in the past.

  • @igorangelkoski3423
    @igorangelkoski3423 Před 11 měsíci

    great review but that art dogma 2 have space for 25c with no worries 🚴

  • @nmanfield
    @nmanfield Před 11 měsíci

    Id probably want to go F8, but with a bit of suspension on the back, more flexible chain stays, and direct mount rear brakes...

  • @fruitcakepablohoney
    @fruitcakepablohoney Před 11 měsíci +5

    I still have my DogmaThink2 it’s just as good as the F. And the best part is … it’s rim brakes . So beautiful

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Před 11 měsíci

      Nice! Have you uploaded any photos of your steed onto the GCN app??

  • @JwallzMTB
    @JwallzMTB Před 11 měsíci

    i really like riding size 26 tires

  • @christophermee5214
    @christophermee5214 Před 11 měsíci +1

    The one with rim brakes. Much better 😊

  • @veganpotterthevegan
    @veganpotterthevegan Před 10 měsíci +1

    I've definitely fit 25s on that frame without issue for customers. Even some 28s fit

  • @jasonmills6629
    @jasonmills6629 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Good gcn have started to watch durianrider videos and realised how good rim brake bikes are instead of being caught up in marketing crap of overpriced disc brake bikes....

  • @albertmills9365
    @albertmills9365 Před 11 měsíci

    How wide are the handlebars?

  • @user-hk3kz9wk5m
    @user-hk3kz9wk5m Před měsícem

    I have an F8 which is awesome

  • @gokaygs
    @gokaygs Před 11 měsíci

    Nice vid but Ollie what are you doing with that gearing at 14:10 mate??

  • @hayes6262
    @hayes6262 Před 11 měsíci

    Nice

  • @TheHandThatBites
    @TheHandThatBites Před 11 měsíci +7

    Really enjoyed the Team Sky era.

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Před 11 měsíci +2

      It was good wasn't it! Who was your favourite rider from that time?

    • @TheHandThatBites
      @TheHandThatBites Před 11 měsíci

      @@gcn Mr Controversial himself Wiggo.

    • @marks3620
      @marks3620 Před 11 měsíci

      Froome.

  • @jonno209
    @jonno209 Před 11 měsíci

    Something purer and more elegant about the older bikes.

  • @SuperTaylor68
    @SuperTaylor68 Před 11 měsíci +5

    I’ve got F10 on rim.. love it

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Před 11 měsíci

      Nice!

  • @yutehube4468
    @yutehube4468 Před 11 měsíci +1

    The UCI never cease to amaze. I wouldn't be surprised if they started making the cycle teams bolt squares of carbon sheeting to the head tubes because "the drag isn't enough". You know it's in the post!

    • @truantray
      @truantray Před 10 měsíci +1

      Bike designs contribute a neglible amount to aero efficiency, the rider position is far more significant. People just WISH cycling was pay to win.

    • @username8644
      @username8644 Před 10 měsíci

      @truantray ​​​Rider position, bike fitment, and I would argue wheels as well.
      Edit: not that you need 4k usd wheels, but an upgrade over the stock wheels bikes come with, especially budget bikes, makes a huge difference.

  • @kaupo80
    @kaupo80 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Olly calls himself a scientist but compares apples (weight of F8 without pedals) with oranges (Dogma F with pedals). Next time, add bottles as well :)

  • @askmeaboutmattweiner
    @askmeaboutmattweiner Před 11 měsíci

    Silver dura ace is *chef's kiss*

  • @TuRo-Maserati
    @TuRo-Maserati Před 11 měsíci

    The smoothest ride is because the 1/3 dropped stays add 3mm of suspension travel and of course the higher profile tyres give a mm or two also. The integration cockpit will also give 0.5-1mm over a two piece MTB bars and stem.
    None of the 3 - A 2006 Prince the original full carbon wavy fork and wavy stay professional bike for me a la Alessandro's team bike that year.

  • @niclasoe
    @niclasoe Před 10 měsíci

    I own the same frame (other colorway) as the 2012 model with full dura ace (Mechanical) gears and everything.
    The feel and aesthetic of the frame is incredible
    A bike shop owner offered me 200 pounds (in local currency) for the bikes when I asked for the price if I changed to Carbon wheels due to the price.
    Have bikes really gotten that much better in 10 years? He said it was due to brakes and electronic gearing.
    Anyway to answer the question: I like the aesthetic of the older versions much more, but I get why the industry is going in a more aerodynamic way. I would choose the 2012 version, but with updated wheels and gearing

  • @brentlewis4570
    @brentlewis4570 Před 11 měsíci +2

    So, um, no tech video? Still can't find it.

  • @guitarj3570
    @guitarj3570 Před 11 měsíci

    I would take whichever Dogma I could get!

  • @TheChancerdog1
    @TheChancerdog1 Před 11 měsíci +5

    I have a 10 year old di2 Madone that I put some good wheels on and some better brakes. I opted for that rather than a newer heavier bike and let me tell you even replacing drivetrain components was 15% of a new bike in cost, rides like a champ and is lighter than most new bikes now

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Sounds like a pretty great bike still!

    • @TheChancerdog1
      @TheChancerdog1 Před 11 měsíci

      @@gcn Indeed was busy putting 100km on it this morning or 70 miles for us weird English system users 😆 Defiantly more harsh than a new bike but feels like it was made to go fast

  • @lsantilli
    @lsantilli Před 11 měsíci +2

    Ollie, I just want to give you a friendly reminder that you just did a video - calling Bradley Wiggins’ bike “vintage”. As a 90’s kid that hurts my soul.

    • @gcn
      @gcn  Před 11 měsíci

      Making everyone feel old 😉

  • @jamesmckenzie3532
    @jamesmckenzie3532 Před 11 měsíci

    The first generation Di2 had one great advantage: Battery swapping. The battery could and was swapped on many a long ride!

    • @truantray
      @truantray Před 10 měsíci

      Cables can get swapped once a season.

    • @jamesmckenzie3532
      @jamesmckenzie3532 Před 10 měsíci

      @truantray more often if you rude more. However, I've replaced more than my fair share of cables including those that snapped or just plain pulled out of the barrels molded around them at the shifter/brake end.

  • @myNamezMe
    @myNamezMe Před 11 měsíci

    The geometry of bikes tends to change over the years, which might make one bike faster than another. My first road bike is a lot slower than my second one. The choice of my second bike was based on an independent bikefit.

  • @stuartmisfeldt3068
    @stuartmisfeldt3068 Před 11 měsíci +2

    You weighed the F8 without pedals. With pedals wouldn’t be more like 7.2 kg?

  • @tstone5452
    @tstone5452 Před 11 měsíci

    I can see the advantage of disc brakes and running 28mm tyres but given the price of second hand rim brake high performance bikes I think it's an easy decision for the recreational and sometime gran fondo rider. The f8 would be the best option for most riders I would think given it's a great bike and the extra cost of going to disc brakes is probably not worth for most riders. I always think about upgrading to disc brakes, especially over winter, but for the price point having a lighter rim brake bike for hill climbing is a much better option.

  • @norsangkelsang7939
    @norsangkelsang7939 Před 11 měsíci +1

    had all these bikes with DA. And they kept improving... I passed on the latest electronic only F model.

  • @neilsmyth1812
    @neilsmyth1812 Před 11 měsíci

    Dogma 2. . I am not the youngest or lightest rider, so I am always happier with something I can on myself without having to take a masters degree.

  • @danemery8312
    @danemery8312 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Seriously, where's the wind tunnel tech video as referenced?

  • @niceracleous9999
    @niceracleous9999 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I wonder why there was no speed comparison, is it because the F, is slower than the F8?

  • @DaM.1
    @DaM.1 Před 11 měsíci

    Where is the video on the GCN tech?

  • @billkallas1762
    @billkallas1762 Před 11 měsíci

    You said that the 2012 bike had "super skinny" tires. Do you mean Comp 22's? That was the standard. Super skinny tires are Comp 19's.
    42cm bars might slow you down at 55kph, but how many watts do you lose at 30kph? 3W?

  • @gearknobz
    @gearknobz Před 11 měsíci +1

    Still waiting for wind tunnel video.
    Did it get rejected by Pina?