Fixing Up The Cheapest Pinarello We Could Find!
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- čas přidán 18. 06. 2022
- Not too long ago,Ollie bought the cheapest Pinarello bike he could find on the internet and cycled it up the Stelvio Pass in Italy. But this bike is far from perfect and with a race just around the corner, Alex needs to fix it up, give it some much needed upgrades and getting rid of THAT stem extender.
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What do you think of the upgraded Pinarello?
You still need to loose one or two of those big stem spacers, and put on a longer stem. 😉
Not great so far, lots more room for improvement
Slam that stem
Agreed 100% with the stem comments! You had a good saddle and an upgraded wheelset in your stash but not a longer stem? Come on... :-D
Buy a cheap Cannondale would be a good upgrade
Why didnt you replace the stem with a longer one and also lower it more?
Yeah, I agree, a new stem would be a cheap component (if you buy at a similar 105 level to the rest of the bike)
I was expecting it becoming a proper bike, but not yet, maybe next video they could make it.
Yep, wouldn’t have been the original stem.
Maybe Because the title of the video is fixing not replacing 🤷♂️ just a thought
@kden true but they did replace the wheels
If you check the steerer tube you should pull it out and check the entire tube. Especially check where the bearing sits at the top, that's usually the point of failure.
aka ring of death.
@@durianriders love it!
Odd choices, the wheelset seemed perfectly fine and the wheelset you replaced it with is nearly the same. The money spent to replace the wheels could have gone to; new alloy stem, new brake pads, computer mount & full bearing service for the wheels with enough left over for tacos.
Considering the application was specifically racing, fresh tires are a priority and you've got sponsors to please, so yup.
Missed opportunity here to show how to repack cup & cone hubs!
Provided new pads maybe not a great idea ON race day and neither are new cables/housings, body position and that mountain bike stem is downright dangerous to go straight into a peloton without at least a few dozen miles acclimating to it. Might as well race on aerobars.
BTW: The 1889g Tiagra wheels with round spokes replaced with the 1932g 105 wheels with bladed spokes, both are cup and cone, but the 105 has a bit of a wider rim, all told a slight aero advantage, mostly from the wider rim smoothing out the tire. They aren't lighter per Shimano.
Saddles and pedals are commonly swapped straight from old bike to new, so all good there.
Exactly my thoughts. Also he could've replaced the brake calipers from the flexy single-pivot Tiagra ones to much better 105 (or above) dual-pivots. Performance difference between Tiagra and 105 wheelsets is close to nothing (surely not spotable in real world conditions), yet price difference is huge (taking into account the complete value of this 'project').
Completely right. Good condition RS wheels swapped for brand new RS wheels. Gotta make your biggest sponsor happy I guess.
@@jeskli11 uhm, they are already dual pivot brake calipers, probably flaxier or a bit heavier (or both ) than a 105, yet it's probably barely noticeable the weight and the feeling is down to practice
@@REVOLUTIONS51 Well, technically speaking all Shimano rim brakes are dual-pivots, but 105 and above have one mounting point on the top and the two pivots located symmetrically on each side of the caliper. Tiagra and below have one pivot located similarly to the better ones, but the other pivot is on the top, where the mounting bolt is located. If you squeeze the calipers with wheel out, you'll clearly see the pads of 105 and better are going straight to each other, yet the Tiagra's pads are just going differently, asymmetrically. You might not notice that at all if you live somewhere flat, but in a proper descend or even racing, when you brake hard just before a corner, the difference in terms of performance is huge.
@@jeskli11 well, I've got a set of old Sora (I'm a poor broke guy that bought 4 years ago an used 6 years old bike for 250€) and live in a really hilly area in northern Italy. The two things I notice are that 1) the caliper close equally, even if it's an "asymmetrical" dual pivot. It touches the rim at the same time on both side and at the same height/ position on the rim. if I remove the wheel, when closed as far as my brake lever allows me there is la 1mm difference in height (radially if waking to the wheel as system of reference) between the to pads, but they close in from the side equally. Maybe you've seen not properly registered caliper? And that height difference is not important as the pads will never close more than the wheel rim, thus the important point to check is at rim. and 2) then I'm a maniac in descending because I've got 8 Koms in those technical descents where my lack of pure power is less felt and it's more a game of who's more suicidal.
All and all I reckon they are incredibly squishy compared to a Ultegra of a friend of mine, but it's a combination of cheap 1€ brake cable, squishy sora 3x9 levers, squishy sora brake calipers and cheap Decathlon pads. And yet I enjoy them no problem.
Why not change the stem, I can’t believe you didn’t have one laying around GCN megabase?!
They do swap the stem for a longer one, it's in another video.
I’m pretty sure it’s because they had to keep the total price of the bike at £500 for the specific £500 racing bike video. Using a new stem they would’ve went over that price. What they had laying around doesn’t count unfortunately.
@@jinnij.caiman What about those wheels and tires? 😂
I've got a selection of longer stems than that knocking around - amazed they haven't
@@grahamaustin9085 They have. It's on the bike. In one of the later videos on GCN.
I have many questions about this:
- you change the saddle but not the stem? Stem is also really important for the bike fit and handling
- Why didn't you properly inspect the whole steerer tube, dropping it out of the frame would take another 30 seconds
- You took of the cassette, then mounted it on the new wheel, to clean it then on the new wheel? You could've used the ultrasonic cleaner
- The wheels seem like a sidegrade to me, they look to be the WH-RS300-CL wheels. So you save 100-150 grams and spend 200 euros/pounds. And you talk about "saving money" by not spending any on a new stem... The wheels that came with the bike looked fine, you could have just changed the tires and have the same performance improvement. You are going to race it on a flat circuit, weight doesn't matter there anyways.
Just cut the stem to the size that fits you
Who cares?...
Good point on the wheel “upgrade”. A new stem would have been my priority (along with the saddle). The biggest spend, by far, here were the wheels which seemed a bit pointless for the negligible benefit. Maybe you’d be better off saving that money and further form the line upgrading them to a higher spec, more expensive, wheelset?
@@kidShibuya why bother watching then (or commenting)
May be they just tried to promote products from gcn sponsors...? 🤔
Alloy goes in the recycling bin guys!
PS check that fork for the 'ring of death' before you ride it on a road again.
Get em
If only I could upgrade my wife as easily as he upgraded this bike to be as hot as Durian's girlfriend
I am absolutely amazed that you left so many spacers on the steerer tube.
Obviously better than it was but still FAR too high.
It all depends on the size of the rider and the desired position. Maybe the previous owner had some back issues or whatever. Four spacers is not exceptional for a lot of people, including me. After my bikefitting I needed 4cm of spacers and I'm still in a rather race-oriented position.
max. 3cm of height if I recall right
Agree with every comment that says changing the stem is a bigger priority. Surprised if there is a saddle laying about that there isn't a stem. But, the thing that got me was why remove the cassette and then fit and clean it on the new wheels, Surely better to clean the cassette when it was off the wheels (no risk of degreaser going in the hub). Hell, it could have even gone in the bath with the chain.
For 500 pounds that bike is an absolute steal...and if it's from Facebook marketplace it probably was
Get rid of that bloody stem and cut the steerer. Barely used stems from people tuning their fit are pennies on eBay and any component with N&T (or WAKE) printed on it should go straight in the bin they are made form cheese.
Loved the cuts to the beat. Great work! :D
I love that both Mark and Alex struggled with the gears, even though Alex made it look so easy. It did my ego good to see other people finding it a little difficult to get right every time
Get well soon Ollie! Nice you resisted the temptation to go overboard by fitting deep section carbon rim wheels (you just happen to have lying around 😅). I’d get a longer stem, as that’s the only thing that’s still a bit off with the geometry. How are the brake pads too? Those Tiagra rim brakes are probably capable if they have decent pads.
I think they should have fitted some deep section wheels, though. Alex switched out the OEM wheels with the Shimano ones that are basically the same, just a bit lighter and with bladed spokes. I mean, if you're going to "upgrade" the wheelset, might as well, right?
There's no SHOULD start at the bottom of the handlebar when taping your bars.
I've always started at the tops and worked my way down to the bottoms.
I have NEVER had any problems with tape slippage or water/dirt ingress into the tape.
I must admit I have had a LOT of practice doing it this way as I used to work at Raleigh.
I have done over 30,000 bars this way.
Granted it was more than 30 years ago 🤣.
Before anyone calls BS YOU do the maths.
125 per day X 5 days per week X 48 weeks per year.
I did this job for over a year.
I like what you're doing here, Alex, but then again, you could've complimented the high-rise bars with a banana seat. 😀
Gives good advice about tape around shifters - shows that portion of the video as some sort of flailing jump cut stop motion affair from which no information can be extracted. Well done lads.
Sorry Alex having the Fp team version of this frame I can tell you the clear cote needs polishing it's in a pretty bad condition also your wipe down didn't do anything! Remove that crankset, bottom bracket, headset, and brakes, and start over! It's not a very good bike but for most of us mortals, it's pretty good!
The cut to ollie cracked me up 😂
Good work, Great looking bike! I have the Pinarello FP3 Ondo FPK with Ultegra 6600 Group set Installed Like New Not a scratch on the Frame!
Re: the extender. No need to be so exclusionary. An extender isn't for everyone, but folks do what they need to in order to get out there and cycle. Yes, it affects the handling, but I'm just glad it allowed somebody to enjoy the freedom of cycling.
I don’t get Alex’s ‘upgrades’. Saddle - yes, needed, steerer tube extender removed - totally needed, new tyres - ok, why not, handlebar tape - ok, why not; but why keep that 30mm or so stem and rather buy a wheelset, that costs relatively a lot and is pretty much none upgrade from the previous one (I would get it, if the original one had brake surface worn out or bearings in bad shape, this one looks almost new). When the bar tape was already off, why not put new cables - very cheap, yet can make a huge difference in shifting responsiveness. Same can be asked about why he kept the original chain. Also I noticed, that after he removed that steerer extender, the expander plug was visibly loose, but he didn’t care at all.
The solution for an ill fitting bike is to buy a bike that fits. Thanks GCN for this gem of information. 😂
Easiest place on earth to hear stupid shit… CZcams bicycle channels
Yeah, but if you bought yourself a wrong size pair of shoes, there wouldn't be much you can do apart from getting another pair that actually fits you...
Just get a bike fit. Hopefully the frame is the correct size to start with. If not, another bike.
Changing crank lengths, seat post, stem, bars and saddle if needed can make all the difference.
EVERYBODY.....NEVER FINISH YOUR FINISHING TAPE WITH THE END OF IT ON THE TOP SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE WHAT A POOR JOB YOU'VE DONE!!! make sure you put under the bar 🤦♂️
Surprised you didn't fit a more standard length stem - might be a bit iffy at speed...
Though a short stem might be needed after a bikefitting for some size and built of people, this one looked really short to me too in the regard of handling...
Most definitely needs a longer stem
Hello, which diameter tires did you guys used?
I have a pinarello FP team from 2014 and want to fit 25 or 28mm tires with 17c rims, right now I run 23mm but is way to narrow and want to run wider but I don’t know if there is enough clearance
Thanks!
SLAM that steam!!🤣
Great work guys! I really enjoyed your video!
Glad you enjoyed it! Are you interested in seeing how the bike faired in the race? czcams.com/video/mhz1GvKp2Xg/video.html
Absolutely, I'd love to check it out! Thanks for the link guys!
You can afford ultrasonic cleaner but not a normal stem. And I can bet you have few of them somewhere in some drawer.
Were those Park Tool scissors!? Fancy! Pinky up!! Love the videos, as always….
It looks much better…good job 👍🏿
I bought this very same bike new from Evans many moons ago. The standard set up was a Tiagra crank along with the same groupies, and of course the shifters were 105. Eventually I upgraded to 105 front and rear along with a larger cassette due to an accident, and it now rides like a dream. As much as I would love a Dogma, money wouldn’t allow me that pleasure so I am more than happy with the poor man’s version.
Nice bike. I have the 2012 DUE model, which was all 105 and had an internal rear brake cable. I suspect the UNO was a lower spec; hence the Tiagra brakes. I didn't get which model wheels you were changing to. RS you said, but RS???
A couple of years ago my local Halfords used to sell Pinarello bikes. Pretty decent priced also.
you guys changed the wheels and tires but cheaped out on a longer stem and cutting down the steerer???
u d0nt cut a carb0n steerer, u buy a new PinareII0 f0rk~
Looking great, Alex! The bars could be a smidge more on the slammed side though.
Why do I have a sense that Alex is the best bar tape wrapper of all GCN presenters?
Am I the only one amazed, irregardless of the janky stem, that £500 is a serious bargain for that Pinarello?
Funny enough, I have that exact Selle saddle sitting around in my spare parts, too!
Changing the wheel wasn’t worth it. No aero gain obviously, but with cup and cone hubs you still have all the maintenance too. Some people may like that though.
used but low mileage bikes are great for anyone checking out the road biking. My 10 year old Synapse Hi-Mod with Red still performs better than the 2021 Domane SL6 Ultegra. Domane was a replacement but have decided to keep the old Synapse instead. electronic shifters and disc brakes are all great, but for casual riders low mileage mid-high bikes are as good as any new models without the price shock.
Hope Ollie is feeling better soon. I see he at least had is bike to stare at.
Great little video of little €€€s/£££s incurred !!!! Onto watching the racing video now!!! Although I’m surprised no longer stem for Mark 🤔
Have just bought a second hand road bike to keep up with my son who was racing earlier in the race evening - thanks for the photos and autographs! What would you recommend replacing/checking first on an 8 year old carbon bike?
Break pads and tires
New poll of the week: how upset was Alex when they told him he’d have to fit inner tubes while upgrading a bike ?
Why didn’t you replace the stem and make for a better fit a handling?
Cool Alex. Shows there's bargain top bikes out there. £500 is a superbike category for me & just bought Giant Propel Advanced Pro 2 2016 & loves it
Put a longer stem on, so its like one of those american motorbikes with the high up handlebars.
Feel better soon, Ollie!
Another Top Gear standard video, come on guys. Tyres, saddle and wheels = ~£300 but you leave a stem that could be changed for £20
A Perfectly fine bike, reused well.
Race that thang!
"OH! There is a GTN mug in there!" I laughed so hard, and I don't even know why... 😂
I loved the idea for this series but a little let down by it. Considering the bike was such a steal I thought we would see a major overhaul and having a bit of craic with trying to get the most out of the older frame with some modern components. It could do with a proper service and deep clean with some aesthetic changes to modernise it.
Still flogging the dead horse . . . 1:40 are you going to put that expander plug down back where it should be? & how do you race on a road bike with an MTB length stem on it?
I mean I ran a 30mm stem on my road bike for years after I built it was honestly quite fun. Makes it handle quite differently as far as like turn in to the corner so you need to be more careful but the slower stuff is more fun!
So you had a saddle "just laying around" but couldn't find a stem so you could send that one to GMBN?
After all these modifications turned out 2B a really nice piece!!!! 🚴♂
ive got a pencil like that🤣
Not that I expected you guys to be into cars, but there was a missed MCM 'IN THE BIN' reference there from Alex!
that Stem is killing me -- you can get stems so cheap - just change it!
Add a $20 80-100nm stem and call it a day
To avoid needing to do that "loop-dee-loop" with the bar tape around the shifters, just measure & cut a small (5cm-ish) piece of bar tape to cover the clamp on the bar at the back of the shifter, and put that in place that before going around with the tape. This avoids overwrapping / overlapping that area and keeps the tape smooth and even around the shifter.
I thought you would have put a longer stem on. That one is tiny.
Finally. that stem was giving me nightmares.
Yo can't leave the end of the bar tape on the top of the bars ! Tuck it away underneath. I'd also have cleaned the cassette while it was off the wheel.
0:47 I'm pretty sure you can get riser/ North Road bars or similar in a 31.8 clamp diameter, but you'd need to budget for new levers & shifters so it wouldn't be a cheap fix. Tbh if you really need such an upright position a drop bar bike may not be for you anyway...
Slam that stem :-)
Would have been nice with knowing weight before and afterwards
hopefully you guys actually sit someone on the bike to make sure that bar setup is actually going to work
Pirelli tires? I don't think those are approved by Pogačar? 😉
was that break cleaner on the rings?
Wow, that bike looked absolutely ridiculous with that hideous extender. 😂 What was the previous owner thinking? That short stem is awful too. Should have replaced it with a longer one. Anyway, the bike looks much better now. It can be ridden without shame. Lol
(Edit: I think that...) The previous owner thought that the position was too low and too stretched so he moved the steerer up and further back.
You might find the extender and the looks questionable but that probably was it.
i wonder for what prize it would now go, after the changes
The original owner most probably had back issues, hence the raised/short position.
Knowing GCN the whole thing was probably a fix. I bet it was they who put the ridiculous extender on in the first place. Nothing they do has the faintest whiff of sincerity
CIearIy he was a much taller chap
Whoa, Alex kind of breezed through the handlebar tape replacement. How do you know which roll of tape is for the left-side vs the right? ; )
😀
By n0t being an utter m0r0n
If I’d of bothered throwing that bike in the work stand and firing up the ultrasonic I’d of done a complete nuts and bolt strip down clean and service. bring it back up to a brand new and very nice bike 👌🏻. I mean your more than half way there taking the steering tube extender off! rude not to clean up the headset while your there. and while your changing the bar tape, fresh cables? maybe Iv watched too many of bikespeeds excellent videos haha
Remember that How to Build a Gaming PC video by The Verge?
It just doesn't make sense to don't change the stem that is the cheapest part of everything else that was changed in the bike
This bike was almost same spec as the 2013 Colnago Ace, full carbon frame, with 105 and Shimano R500 wheelset.
Very strange, changing the wheels and the tyres and saddle but not the tiny stem? Why????? It’s probably the cheapest part to replace and I have loads of stems laying around my megabase, can’t believe GCN have none???
Not sure why you had to remove the handlebars from the stem just to put it back on later (could have just taken the stem off the extender then put it back onto the steerer). Thought for sure you were going to swap out the stem for something more proper.
I think ... well... Sheeeesh!!! ... where is the cowbell?
With a cut fork and a longer negative stem, this can look even cooler
Omg. Is using inner tubes now referred as "old school"? 😀👍
This chimney is still so high
I just saw a guy who’d stuck his bars and brakes on upside down and obviously thought of you guys
You went to the effort to ‘fix’ it and left it like that ???? Still only looks slightly less ridiculous.
Don't the wheels & bar tap blow you $500 limit? Sorry, not pound symbol on my keyboard. I'd either shortened the steerer on move some of the spackers to the top & kept the bartape.
I’ve always been taught to reverse direction when taping so that the tape comes up and over the tops towards the saddle. No?
If it's Calvin Jones that taught you this, yes. That's what I do.
However, it doesn't suit every bar tape model.
@@yonglingng5640 Are some bar tapes directional?
Si Richardson’s “figure-8” bar wrapping video covers this - yes, you’re right - tape should come up at the front of the bar tops, otherwise pulling on the bars will risk unraveling it
Is this the Muc Off waterless shampoo you used?
You guys talk a lot about synthetic inner tubes as the best pound for watt upgrade. How come you didnt do that for this bike?
I love my pinarello!
Aren't they exceeding the budget by installing new wheels?
The GTN mug comment 😂😂
Replace that mountain bike short stem and slam it
You should have replaced the stem with something appropriate for the rider. They aren't all that expensive.
Really nice bike... almost 10 years old but doesn't look like it...would have been nicer with some low profile aero wheels.
Aargh. Can’t watch. Super short stem with about two inches of carbon steerer...are you taking the p..s. Please cut the steerer and fit a proper stem. For safety as well as handling.
I think that awful stem extender gave Ollie COVID 😅
Why I can't live in UK? I looked up at the Marketplace and all these cheap carbon bikes? What?! I would love to buy one... :D
“Lethal bike”? if it’s that dangerous, why did you let Ollie ride it up the Stelvio pass?!
1:21 you should recycle it .
On the image to get to this video it states 'FIXING THIS LETHAL BIKE' and thought GCN must have watched Luescher Technik videos where Pinarello frames have been analysed and shown to be unsafe in many areas with voids and other issues. The manufacturer Carbotec has been known to be a bit inconsistent at times as ultimately a CF frame is handbuilt slowly and a huge number of opportunities for there to be problems with manufacturing, it only takes one of the Chinese production staff to make a small error at any stage.
However after watching the video I assume they are implying the height extender is unsafe but of course that is completely safe when used on the road with a normal steel or aluminium bike and forks. The issue is CF again which you have to treat carefully. I think this video shows the problem with modern bikes and the obsession with being lightweight, the original owner never had a good bike fit on the bike and modified it to improve the bike fit for him but was never satisfied and consequently sold it with a huge financial loss on his purchase. The older road bikes and very cheapest road bikes you buy today have quill stems, you can adjust the height of the handlebars in seconds and experiment to get the perfect bike fit for you. I sort of wonder if a bike like that is a perfect introduction to road cycling you can experiment with the bike fit and once you know what you want exactly take all the measurements and buy a lightweight bike with limited adjustments to those measurements. I've read enough forums to know many people who have had professional bike fits are still not happy with that bike fit although they dial it in much closer than the average person doing it themselves. The best bike fit takes sometime to work out. People often go on about modern road bikes being much better but in one area the bike fit it is actually a retro step because of limited adjustments.
Alex, you made a knob move, that Adamo Saddle is awesome and should have been kept. Let me know if you want to ship it to me.