Affordable Superbike? | NEW Pinarello F Series
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- Pinarello might not be known as the cheapest of brands, but its new F-Series could provide superbike performance for less than superbike money.
In this video, Ash Quinlan runs you through everything you need to know about the three-bike range from the Italian brand.
The F-Series replaces the Prince in Pinarello’s collection and we had hands-on time with the F7. There is also a new X-Series endurance road bike coming soon, so for more info keep an eye on Bikeradar.com.
Will the F-Series provide performance matching the Dogma? Let us know your thoughts in the comments 👇
#pinarello #superbike #newtech
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Roberto Bragotto
Pinarello
Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:27 Five Things You Need To Know
01:31 Ride Impressions
04:04 Borrowing From The Dogma
06:13 Conclusion
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Will the F-Series provide performance matching the Dogma? Let us know your thoughts in the comments 👇
Its not a Dogma. Nuffsaid!
How is this different than the Prince FX? is it as stiff or a more comfortable ride vs the Dogma F? Why is it so much more $ than the Prince FX?
i must be poor as heck because we have different definitions of "affordable" lol
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Well I felt super rich spending 6000€ to get my Addict. Back to poverty in a sec tho
"Holds speed very well" - the ultimate sentence in a bike review
Believe you me, once you have reached 40 km/h you hardly have to peddle on the thing.
That new Scott Foil for 6,500 Euros is affordable. But that 8,850 Euros? I have a 2021 Pinarello Prince that was 5,880 Euros Ultegra Di2. The bike industry has lost it's damn mind with these outta this world prices!
OMG my mouth just waters looking at the Pinarello! It is my fantasy bike of all time. But really for the price! There's no way I can convince the tax department that it's a work expense. $11,868.56 CAD is a fortune to pay for a second tier great bike! (equal to more than one year rent)
How about you start reviewing super expensive bikes in a more practical range like $3000,00 CAD?
So it’s the prince with a new name . Got it
More like the Prince FX with F7/9
Impressed you carted this film studio all the way to Italy! ;)
Oh wow just $6000 for an 105 F5. How affordable
Cervelo Soloist! Cervelo brings back a name from the past but is a clean sheet design. Affordable middle of the road Cervelo with high end components for less than $8,000 US. Please review it!
Very well done young gentleman.
Greetings from Korea by Bosnian man.
I guess, there would be a G-Series for the Grevils further in the future too. The 105 level of a grevil would be a dream bike for me.
Thank you for the first reviews of these new Pinarellos. What region of Spain were you riding in? Murcia?
What would be very interesting to see, is a comparison between the F5 for example and a chinese Dogma F look a like frame. How much do they differ in quality and ride feel.
What is more important to cover in this review is, 1) While most of the similarly priced road bikes would be fast, smooth and could hold speeds, how does F performs when compared with the competition (with similar priced bikes), 2) Does Asymmetric frame adds any advantage? or is it marketing? 3) Is there difference in dedicated aero bikes vs F series in flat roads? 4) how does F compare itself in climbing to models like TCR, O2 etc? The review should point something comparing existing bikes for the viewers to understand and perceive the value.
If it was about half the price it would be really interesting
affordable is certainly a word that was used
I'm a long time Pinarello fan and owner. I have a 2019 Gan Disk and a 2021 Prince Disk and I love both bikes. For me, this new line up is disappointing. Names like Paris and Prince are iconic within the brand and I think they had it right in the 2022 model year when they offered the Dogma F (high-end race), Prince (mid-tier race) and Paris (endurance). I get what they're trying to do and appreciate the move to make a Dogma for everyone. But this entire range looks the same and (having heard the molds for carbon frames are the arguably the most expensive aspect of frame building) I can't help but wonder if it's more a cost-saving move than marketing strategy on their part.
Somehow I prefer 23c tires on a rd bike 😊 lighter and better feel for me all these 28c tires make these bikes feel .. clumsy, it’s like driving a Ferrari on AWD tires 😂 great review, cheers from OZ 🇦🇺
25 mm is my go-to, after switching from 23 mm.
I always rmb the prince for its depiction in an anime show yowamushi pedal. A red pinarello prince rode by a character name naruko who is a sprinter
When do they expect it to go on sale?
I think with all these bike brands taking the piss with pricing there is a gigantic hole to be filled for reasonably priced bikes, that aren't 8.5kgs and still perform well. I am talking 3-5k ball park, like how it used to be. There has to be market share to be gained there.
So, what's the difference between the F7 and the last Prince FX? Same layup, same groupset, appears to be same frame, and similar to same geometry....but more expensive?
I’ll further ask: why does this, and every single other review fail to address this question? Not here, not GranFondo, zero cycling media have answered this question and the ONLY reason I can imagine is because the ONLY difference is the name and price.
Tell me I’m wrong, prove I’m wrong, please.
It’s the updated Prince FX - which was modeled after the F12, but a bit more with an endurance geometry. The F7 shares most of the design with the Dogma F (slightly smoother curves, seatstays completely different, narrower seatpost). The geometry is more or less like the Dogma F, that means more agressive than the Prince (longer reach, lower stack). The new X7 to the contrary is less agressive than the Prince. "More expensive" has to do with inflation and so on, and nothing to do with being better.
@@SrFederico I just looked at the geometry charts and the F7 is within a few mm's of the Prince, with the differences seemingly down to different sizes or generally less than clear size charts.
Don't get me wrong, I'm about to put myself on the waiting list for a F7, but the price, even accounting for the "italian bike premium" is around $800 too high,
I'd compare this to a Look Blade 795 RS, or more closely, or Wilier Filante/Zero SLR. With ultegra Di2 build, the F7 is priced between the two, but the Filante SLR is the top end bike for E9,400 vs E$,850 for the F7. That's wayyyyy too close pricing to a tour level premium bike imo.
@@Ridewithjst The Dogma F has, at size 55, a reach of 388,8 and a stack of 561,6 mm.
The Pinarello F has, at size 54,5, a reach of 388,3 and a stack of 557,9 mm.
The Prince, at size 54, has a reach of 385 and a stack of 570 mm.
At size 56 it’s 390,7/570,2 compared to 390,8/570,3 compared to 388/586.
So the Prince is some mm shorter and more than a centimetre higher.
Depending on how flexible you are, this is irrelevant or the world. On my FX, I have installed all spacers permitted to raise the handlebar. I wouldn’t go for a F/Dogma as of now because the 1,5 cm lower in the front wouldn’t suit me.
Qualitywise I wouldn’t expect big differences to other brands. Pricewise you pay for the name/image/design. And the price in no way will reflect the quality you get. You can actually get a Cube Agree with Ultegra Di2 for E3.600. So you could buy two and have money left for another wheel set.
I didn’t care so much for the name but for the design and color (orange), and it was worth it. I am happy everytime when I take it out of its stable...
But I got a 2020/21 frameset at a nice rebate, could thus use my old carbon wheels and did not have to throw away the wheels, tires, tube, saddle and handlebar (because the Pinarello stock stuff does not fit with me). So a Prince FX with a Talon Ultra handlebar, Force AXS, deep-section carbon wheels and Garmin Powermeter pedals resulted in E6,700. So maybe search for Prince FX framesets? There are some in the market for nice rebates.
@@SrFederico great points and comment!
I was looking at a Prince FX Di2 which I could have slammed the stem vs using 35-40mm of spacers on the F7 it seems I’d need.
The crap wheels on the F7 is a major disappointment but like you said, it’s not about value with these Italian bikes, it’s about being sexy and fast (hopefully!).
I’ve always believed intangible factors can be, no matter how irrational, as or more important than tangible or measurable ones. For example, a bike that makes you want to get out and ride is a way better choice than one you merely like. In this case, using the Pinarello and Cube, I think the Cube would have to be so much more remarkable performance and feel-wise to be equal with the Pinarello in that category, bcs the Pinarello is just so damn sexy and just looks fast standing still lol.
A lot of sticker shock comments over Pinarello pricing, but let’s face it, with inflation you’re not touching anything comparable below $8k. Specialized, Trek, Cervelo, etc……any of their bikes that are worthwhile are around $8,500.
whats the equivalent brands/ models?
Affordable? At nearly $9,000 hell no.
The Dogma X is certainly a more practical version of the Dogma for those that aren’t 20 year old pro cyclists. The problem is that the price still isn’t that practical for the average weekend warrior.
Is there new dogma f? the toray1100 carbon lay up? cause the dogma f having seat post issue i hope that f9 f7 f5 solve the seatpost issue
What issue? These have the same seatpost as the Paris and prince. I have a Paris and it's never been a problem
@@kimwarner6050 the dogma f the seatpost is getting slide
@@kuzzzzzzzzzzzz7511 thats not an issue, very easy solvable with a bit of carbon paste that you should always use.
How is it in comparison to the Prince?
Affordable my arse
c'mon.... any decent road bike for 2-5k with 105/Ultegra (or a bit more expensive with carbon wheels) gives you plenty of fun (or even cheaper used, with ultregra - like Specialized Tarmac SL4,5,6)
...unless you have a small d$% and you need a bike for 10-10k lol ....
Pinarello is for old, bored moneyrich dudes. It's not a reasonable bike to buy. Like a sportscar. Don't think it needs a comparison like that.
I need one of these ❤
These CZcams channels work as an marketing arm for bike companies. To call any of this affordable is comical.
Weight?
The prices of road bikes are totally off. Carbon was a revolutionary material 20 years ago. Same goes with groupsets, the "shortages" are all engineered to inflate the prices. Eventually all these western brands will fold to their far eastern competition and rightfully so.
Entry level Pinarello almost same price then a top bikes of other brands and the frame is made in the same factory. And don't tell me that they are better bikes coz in peloton they are not that good 😅
I wonder if someone riding a real Pinarello vs a Chinese replica could even spot the different in ride quality.
Yes. I have a friend I ride with and he has a Pinarello and he bought a replica to use on the trainer and, he thought maybe to fly with in order to protect the Pinarello. I haven't personally rode either, but he insists they are about night and day. The ride quality is very different. The copy is also heavier and he said he isn't as confident in the handling on the copy. I do trust his opinion. He has owned a lot of bikes and recently bought a Specialized.
I suspect that copies only try to get the shape right, not the quality and properties of the carbon used. A better comparison would be with the genuine Chinese quality brands.
Not every carbon frame is identical. There are several YT videos as of lately with test of the Velobuild Pinarello knock-off, and it's devastating for the copy, all the time.
Yeah, without personal experience I would also say that you should never buy a straight up Chinese copy. Although of course companies like pinarello have a huge discrepancy between their cost for having the frame made and what they charge the customer, they still put enough work into engineering a good frame with the right layup. Rather choose a cheaper brand then or a Asian brand that seems to put an eye on frame development and not just looks like winspace or elves.
CZcamsr Jourdain Coleman recently cut up a Canyon and a chinese frame. Go look the video. Although Canyon is one of the cheapest western brands, the frame easily wins. Much more engineering results in a much lighter and much stiffer frame, and it's much cleaner on the inside. Revealing!
oh yes. thanks bike industry for 5000 euro bike with mechanical groupset for becoming a new affordable
Affordable, very Affordable. Afordable mucho! Do you affordable often these days? How affordable is your much?
Yep definitely affordable 🫥
10000€ afordable bike?!?!?!?!
🤯 rediculous isn't it?!?!
"Affordable bike"
*spits out coffee laughing*
take my money pinarello
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Congratulations, 50 BikeRadar gold stars for being such an avid viewer xoxox
Spent about 500 miles on it and so far so good. czcams.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA Pros:1. Very light2. Solid quality build3. Fast delivery: It arrived 5 weeks earlier than expected.4. Easy assemblyJust a few cons but nothing major:1. Cheap tin tubes and had flat on first day... but not a big deal. I replaced the tubes.2. Seat is a bit uncomfortable but that's pretty much the same situation with most bikes.3. Seat post is a bit long/high for a smaller size 48 bike - had to saw 2 inch off to fit properly. The lowest setting is too high. The post locking system does not seem to hold well (perhaps because I saw 2 inch off).4. wheels are not tubeless compatible (from what I can tell)
When are the comics going to stand up to bike companies on behalf of ordinary bike purchasers and say - You are ripping everyone off.
Imagine the petrol powered motorbike you could buy for this price.
12k euros with dura ace di2 lmao. I rather buy a dogma if i pay that amount of money
two words you'll never see together
Half price on something that costs about 20x what it should cost.
Cheap?? C'mon guys this bike is half the price new for staff who work for Pinarello to purchase so around £3700 roughly imagine what it really cost to build?? Only info from a friend who works for the company.
i will just stay with my F8
I am a great believer in value for money so i wont be buying any of these bikes EVER thank you.
Affordable=9/10K respect 15K 😂
the new pinarello F meaning what the F*** happened with this naming scheme?
from now on saying "I have a Pinarello F" will mean anything and nothing at the same time
If this is the new affordable, I am not surprised why so many cyclist turns to chinese aftermarket chinarello frames nowadays. Build with Ultegra DI2 or Sram that's what we can try to call affordable nowadays. Frame for 4000 pounds? Really? Frame for 5-600, ok.
Just buy 105 and put it on an Ali Express clone and save your money
8500 Euros for Ultegra is not Affordable :P
Buy a Time instead.
Affordable, lol..🙂
Affordable? Pinarello bikes is considerably higher priced than other brands. I wouldn't ever call it Affordable.
9000 euros for a Ultegra Di2 Chinese made bike? Yeah…nah…that ain’t happening.
Buy Chinese made same frame
Always makes me laugh when they say affordable absolute joke anything to get people to watch the video shameful
I like my GAN better 😂😂😂
T900? either is T800 or T1000. T900 does not exist.
According to Pinarello, it does exist. TorayCa T900. Same with the Prince FX.
@@SrFederico and That’s the issue, if you check the Toray Carbon types u will never find t900 because it does not exist.
@@victordominguez8362 Yeah, I checked it too on Toray’s website and was irritated. But on the other hand it can’t be a typo, Pinarello is calling it that for years. Maybe it is a special and totally secret version just for Pinarello? Or it’s a mix of 800 and 1000?
@@SrFederico I do not think that it is special for Pinarello. My guess is that it is Pinarello marketing related.
I do not know how Pinarello marketing works, it could be either a mixture of T800 and T1000 that they call T900 or just T1000 and they call it T900 to not canibalize the bicycles that they declare with T1000 frames at a higher price point.. I really do not know. In any case I would not buy a T1000 but a T900. If they have done it for marketing purposes I'm pretty sure that it will have a lot of T1000 fibers.
In any case, I do not think that there will be a remarkable difference between T800 and T1000, and in my personal case I would go for T800 as T1000 is rigid as hell.
But that's a guess, I do not have any inside information from Pinarello.
@@victordominguez8362 As I understand it, no sensibly constructed carbon bike uses only one carbon grade. Some parts of the bike need to be stiff, some flexy, so they apply different grade material at the suitable spots. So for a Dogma they might use T1100 for the forks, parts of the downtube and the bottom bracket etc., but the rest will be T700 to build in some flexibility where you need it. I would not fear that a more expensive bike shatters more easily. So my remark about the mix of 800 and 1000 was a bit of a joke anyway because they do it all the time.
Marketing, yes, maybe. Irritatingly nobody from the bike magazines has ever questioned why Pinarello "invented" a new TorayCa variant, afaik.
Imagin calling this crap affordable, bike will be ridden by beerbelly rich old men. The usual market for the expensive brands.
Hell yeah, we are funding the whole industry.