The Fate Of The Red Hunt - 40K Theories
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- Following the events of the Badab War, a number of strike forces from the Red Hunters would be tasked with shadowing the Lamenters, Executioners and Mantis Warriors Chapters as they embarked upon their Penitent Crusades. However, the team assigned to monitor the Mantis Warriors would mysteriously vanish. What could have happened to them?
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Chaos marine: :you took everything away from me"
Red Hunter: "I dont even know you"
Lmfaooooo
Csm : blood for the blood God yada yada (insert overused war cries).
Red hunters : Who the fuck i am.
Most Opponents: YOU ARE THE REASON WE HAVE FALLEN
Red hunters: WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE!
I don’t know who I am but I must kill
@@antoniomendoza510 sounds like most khornate bezerkers or death company blood angels
Ive never understood how daemons are both common knowledge and a closely guarded secret in the setting.
Sounds like someone needs to have an Inquisitorial investigation here....
There are gradual levels of military classification and Forbidden Lore, atop the typical contradictions of the Imperial bureaucracy and feuding Inquisitors. Something like the Nine Daemon Primarchs being originally made by the Emperor would be something contained only at the highest levels of the Imperial authorities, whereas the names of the Chaos Gods are known to upper officers of Guards Regiments and Commissars so as to spot heresy. (Going by Cain books here) Common citizens are often whipped up by local preachers about heretics and the evils of those who'd abandon the emperor, but when it comes to disclosing daemons and Chaos it is kept strictly vague. The mutant underclasses and psykers are a far easier target to be specific about, as it lets the oppressed citizens have something to feel better about and vent their abuse out on.
james cousins True, but what about astartes? You’d think that for guys who have to fight their heretic brothers commonly, you’d think they wouldn’t get mind wiped, only if the experience is REALLY bad, or they got a bit too interested into chaos. Mind wipe sounds more like something you’d do to guards man to keep the inquisition a secret.
The nature of propoganda I would say. Some buy into it while others dont for whatever reason.
I can imagine many people choose to look the other way even though they can see things dont fully add up. The grim dark universe is hard enough without full knowledge of beings that can ruin your eternal afterlife aswell.
Its much the same in our world. Pick any politically crusial event and start questioning the official story. Who knows what you may find that doesn't add up. But do you want to know? Do you have the time/energy. That is the strongest part of propoganda, the reassuring lie.
@@PelinalWhitestrake36 I think Astartes are only mind wiped if an Inquisitor finds out that they are fighting daemons. Also, I always assumed that Patrick Howard's description was what happened.
What if the real red hunters were the friends we made along the way
_Roll credits_
Stop with the dead memes please for the love of tzeench let it die
no i think not
@@beemus1827 Papa Nurgle loves dead memes...
Stop this the Lord of change requires this be gone and at least a fresher meme be released this is old and needs it's final bolt shell execution
Here comes another round of Possibly Heretical Storytime With Lord Inquisitor Remleiz.
≡][≡ One of our best specialists at muddying the waters of historical records. ≡][≡ *mind wipes all witnesses*
In the wise words of lord Remleiz himself: “Knowledge is power. The only true heresy is ignorance.”
I was about to say "Nah, he's just a creepy Techpriest", but you're right. He got the titel of Inquisitor by the Emperor himself.
>any point is made ever
>"This wouldn't be entirely unprecedented"
at this point im tempted to make it a drinking game
The Inquisition: What happen to your strike force?
The Mantis Warriors:
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Red Hunter Marine meets Exorcist Marine
Would it be funny if they just forgot they existed thanks to the constant mindwipes?
I remember doing a narrative campaign with a friend using Red Hunters he rolled a lot of 1's during a critical story point and that's exactly what happened they literally forgot who they were and why they were there destroying the Inquisitorial envoy and even going as far as killing the ships crew leaving them adrift in the Warp 😋
The Mantis warriors eat their heads after mating with them
Inquisitor, i'd like to report a bruh moment
I'm a massive mantis warriors fan boy! I love the attention they've been getting of late!
"For the Emperor! For Redemption! For the Mantis Warriors!"
Why, The Mantis ate them of course. Silly Rem.
It's a well know fact, The Mantis Warriors are Alpharius
no we are not!..............wait
Cheers Remleiz! Been collecting Red Hunters for a while now. Great to see them on the show. So much love for that!
In 6th edition these guys had an awesome chapter rule set from forgeworld whereby a unit could activate a forgotten or preprogrammed ability which let them be really good at doing something in the upcoming turn.
Made for really fun games, plus tied into their law really well.
Love the theory that the chapter was a creation of the second founding (by request of the newly formed inquisition), designed to hunt traitor marines.
Based on their faith, a little bit of me suspects Garro's hand in their design.
Probably the same way most obscure chapter disasters go down, they nearly die off until the Mary Sue marines show up to save them.
A very extremely awesome video as always 40k Theories.
Intresting subject today my man. Thanks for covering it
Between Vraks, Damocles Gulf, Badab War and First War of Armageddon, these guys have seen some shit. Not that they remember any of it
I dont think they get mind wiped
Editor: f****ng autocorrector
Thanks for the video!! :)
Before this video I got a CZcams ad to donate to my local sperm bank.
What are you trying to say CZcams?
That you should try and earn some cash for what you do in your free time.
It's just an imperial tithe to check on your genetic purity... Please comply citizen or we shall unleash the minotaurs
They tailer the adverts to what you've been searching on Google.
??? What have you been searching???
@@noelienoelie8425 nothing you could find in youtube thats for sure
Bleeding hell remliez it's 2 in the morning and you upload oh fuck it sleep can wait you magnificent bastard
Could the Red Hunters have been corrupted by Chaos?
If the Mantis Warriors really killed the strike force, then the inquisition wouldve wiped them out without hesitation. Given that its implied there are records about what happened, and that the inquisition has sealed them, while the mantisses still exist, then its clear something else went down, not the direct fault of the mantisses. Likely some kind of chaotic issue, which is why it is sealed.
Lamiah are a type of vampires, so I'm going with that, but they could have fought Rangdan.
If you ask me it sounds a little bit more like that the inquisition kind of created a genetic flaw in the red hunters since I have to go constantly with memory wipes it might actually created a flaw in the gene seed where their memories and motor functions might be damaged but hey that’s just me
Every one suspects the Inquisition!
gARRETT MONROE But nobody expects them
Inquisitor Fang,...
Bring in ...
THE COMFY CHAIR! AND OUR SOFTEST PILLOWS!
the heretic will be made to confess.
Red Hunters...possibly Loyalist Word Bearers. Then we have the Lamenters (Blood Angels Successor chapter and cursed founding) Executioners (Imperial Fists Successor chapter) and the Mantis Warriors (White Scars in origin) | 3:18 - It makes sense as that kind of info is not something that should be widely known. | 4:40 - Hard to know who had it worse as the Lamenters are...not as unlucky as the Afriel Strain, but still pretty unlucky. | 5:40 - So they went the way of the Relictors? (e.g. renegades that tried to out Blood Raven the Blood Ravens) | 9:45 - Worse than with those fighting alongside the Lamenters?
Someone at Games work shop read to much hunt for red October.
Turns out the Red Hunt was led by Sean Connerius
The irony is that is true, one character was even based on Connery in that film!
There is another possibility, the Red Hunters stumbled upon either a necron tomb world/force and destroyed them by destroying themselves, or they found something of Chaotic origin, called the Lamenters to assist, and held up as long as they could, buying victory with their lives, and the Lamenters swoop in and terminated the threat after the red hunters and adjacent forces were terminated.
The Inquisition brought a Jokaero along that built a machine that turned them all into sentient spaghetti because it was bored.
What if the Red Hunt actually fell to a chaotic corruption, and Mantis Warriors were forced to purge them in a crazy twist of fate? Very Tzeentch-y twist of fate, indeed ;)
*3rd Option:* The Red Hunter's Company along with the Inquisitors involved, fell to chaotic corruption
its possible they made an erroneous judgment call on the Mantis Warrios who then defended themselves justly. or the hunters fell to chaos and the Mantis Warriors had to put them down.
Man they would make a good chapter for the marines I painted in candy red.
I should be asleep. But I saw this video...... FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
Great vid as per usual. Quick suggestion on a Xenos one though- Why do the Jokaero serve the Inquisition?
Most dont do so willingly, and are kept as slave/pets and are known to build means to aid their escapes unless carefully watched.
@@Orannis01 Sure, but is it by choice? Are the Jokaero predisposed to serve? Did they do the same for the Aeldari at their height? Could they serve other races like the Orks or Tau? Or are they forced into this existence? Do the Jokaero secretly long for freedom? How do the semi-independ family-clans fit into this? And on the other side of the coin, why this race beyond any others are allowed to survive in the xenophobic Imperium?
@@Gillemear The race has no language or culture, they live in small family groups and only build what they need to survive/ships capable of transversing space by changing shape to catch solar winds. Because of this the Imperium doesn't consider them a threat and they use them to create Digi-weapons which are highly valued.
Imperial Scholars even debate their sentience since they only build things as a response to their current needs, so at best they probably are considered by the Imperium to be no more than beasts.
@@Orannis01 Cool. Let's see a video explaining that then
What if they found a Russian submarine captain who was trying to defect by scuttling his ship, escaping the imperium and founding a band of warriors called "The Red October"
0:40 that Storm Bolter scope is wonky.
...i'll see myself out 🙄
What if the Red hunter had destroyed the mantis warriors and taken their heraldry as a way to expand the complete control of the Inquisition to another chapter, explaining why both Mantis warriors and Inquisition remain silent on that topic.
Plus having the other monitored chapters survive helps sale the deception.
Maybe they made a pit stop for Cyber Dong batteries?
Maybe the Red Hunters saw something so heretical that they died of shock, and the Mantis Warriors knew better than to talk about heresy.
I think it's both
I think the red hunt had been corrupted so the Mantis warriors killed them, this would make both the Chapter and the Inquisition not willing to talk about it as it would look bad on both organizations
I have two questions regarding the statement that Astartes' minds tended to be wiped after encountering Daemons:
1) aren't Astartes aware of Chaos in general? And wouldn't that mean that they would have at least some knowledge of Daemons and their existence?
2) the Codex Black Templars depicts the banner of the Vinculus Crusade (under "insignia"), which was focused on the fight against a greater Daemon. Said Daemon is depicted on the banner itself, indicating that no mind wipe has taken place and that Daemons' existence is common knowledge. How does that fit?
In universe answer:
As stated in the video, certain chapters (primarily those designed to regularly combat against daemonic entities such as the Exorcists or Grey Knights, as well as those chapters from the first and second founding (which I should have clarified in the video itself)) are often exempt from such mind wiping procedures. Many forces of the Imperium are aware of Chaos, which is known simply as 'The Arch Enemy', though few know the truth in regarding daemons and gods being real, viewing Chaos Cults as being little more than fanatics or traitors.
Real world answer:
It is incredibly inconsistent as some authors will ignore this information, while others will adhere to it, so blame GW for the lack of consistency XD
@@40KTheories I see, thanks. Guess I missed that part about first and second founding. I should really pause the video before typing my comments.
Thanks for taking the time to answer.
In fairness, I could have been clearer in the video itself, so not to worry :)
Samus is here
I’m confused, aren’t space marines required to have knowledge of demons since they fight them quite frequently. And in several books they talk about demons like it’s nothing.
(Copypasted response to a similar question)
In universe answer:
As stated in the video, certain chapters (primarily those designed to regularly combat against daemonic entities such as the Exorcists or Grey Knights, as well as those chapters from the first and second founding (which I should have clarified in the video itself)) are often exempt from such mind wiping procedures. Many forces of the Imperium are aware of Chaos, which is known simply as 'The Arch Enemy', though few know the truth in regarding daemons and gods being real, viewing Chaos Cults as being little more than fanatics or traitors.
Real world answer:
It is incredibly inconsistent as some authors will ignore this information, while others will adhere to it, so blame GW for the lack of consistency XD
@@40KTheories good idea t-rex inquisitor.
for sake of consistency and retaining some sense i'm just gonna pretend that ALL space marine chapters, the inquisition,sisters of battle, some ad-mech military forces,select few regiments of the imperial guard
(like cadia), inquisitorial stormtroopers, ALL members high lords of terra,adeptus custodes and sisters of silence know who are the forces of chaos and their gods (to a tolerable levels of knowledge about that forbidden lore) and no one else
40K Theories ok that makes more sense, thank you
@@ericvaroli9895
Yeah Chaos is tricky and prone to corrupting even Astartes, but half the Imperium's problem is dumbarses wiping out other sections of itself in fear or paranoia.
So the red hunters are wandering around their battle barge going "wait.. Wtf, when did we go to (insert planet here)?? For real tho, i dont remember that at all" like some sort of Hangover Marines?
probably fall foul of the lamenters bad luck lol, like how mr bean or frank spencers antics normally cause misfortune to everyone
I mean the other logical thing is that the Red Corsairs repaid the debt they might have felt owed to the mantis warriors at least before going full chaos boyz.
Why hasn't there been a character action 40k game.
part of the first crew!
Corpses for the corpse throne..... right guys?
Can we get the Lambdon lions next or soon
They went to look for october.
👍
Necrons, it's always Necrons!!
Mantis Warriors “Get off my nuts”
Also. RED hunters. Magnus the RED.
Were the Red Hunters the chapter which besieged Fenris with the Grey Knights and the Inquisition at the end of 'The Months of Shame'?
Yes
@@samueldoran7712 thought as much. Thank you for the clarification.
Carchardons?
I'm all for hunting Heretics.
wait hold on, all knowledge of daemons is wiped from any space marines that encounter them....? So the Space Wolves just thing that giant chaos shitting warptear right outside their sector is just a giant disco ball or something?
Last time I was this early I still remembered.... Wait, what was it I remembered again? 😩
I think they are lost in the warp that's my Theory
Where does this info come from? A certain novel?
The details about The Red Hunt comes from Imperial Armour Volume 2
Space whale ate them.
Simple, the "Mantis warriors" penitent crusade and "Red Hunters" assigned to them were both Alpha Legion in disguise without being aware of each others identities.
It was super awkward when they both revealed their true colours at the same time, so they came up with some story to cover it up using rock-paper-scissors to decide which of them got to return to the Imperium and continue their mission. The "Mantis Warriors" won and the "Red Hunters" disappeared after leaving some evidence to absolve their counterparts of any wrong doing
Hope the Mantis warriors wiped them out.
What the hell, I was unsubscribed from 40k theories? The fuck CZcams
The Red Hunters were amnestized completely as constantly purging their memories was badly effecting their overall combat and physiological abilities. The Red Hunters were then spread out among several chapters and stories of the Red Hunters' honorable end was passed around. Those former Red Hunters do not know they were ever Red Hunters and not function more normally according to being Astartes and the chapters they have been entrusted to.
red hunters = word bearers play on words and hiddden with the colour of their armour. word bearers wear red, they HUNT word bearers,
First!
To be mindwiped
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