How Do The Thousand Sons Maintain Their Numbers? - 40K Theories
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- After the spell known as The Rubric was cast, most of the Thousand Sons were transformed into dust, destroying much of their gene-seed in the process. How exactly are these traitors able to maintain their numbers and recruit new members into the Legion?
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I made a slight error regarding the Spear of Russ. Turns out it *wasn't* destroyed when it was cast into the portal, but it would be lost to the chapter for many years. Ragnar Blackmane would eventually retrieve it.
Possible can you cover the greater good if theres anything there interesting new theories?
According to all known sources (at the time of this video's release), both Sorcerers and Rubricae are simply revived on the Planet of the Sorcerers the moment they go down. The only known way around this is Ynnead shenanigans (like Yvraine did during the events of Gathering Storm) to undo the effects of Ahriman's Rubric and restore individual Marines to their original state.
Please, GW, give us restored Thousand Sons!
I can't wait. Hopefully Rubric Marines and Scarabs will be usable in competitive table top!
@@Sesshyru uh... They are. They're just not well-suited to being your main troopers. They're better for providing fire support while you absolutely swarm the enemy in melee with Tzaangors.
“How do they make new Thousand Sons? Well, when a Thousand Daddies love a Thousand Mommies very much...”
Do you want Slaanesh? Because that is how you get Slaanesh.
Kevin Eberwein do we need to get the heavy flamers?
Perfect
No no no no that's the Emperor's Children method, not the Thousand Sons method! You've got the wrong god their mate!
I read that doujin.
You see, once a rubric marine dies, some poor schmuck grabs a brush, pan and flex seal...
SexualYeti I’ve managed to fix this thousand son marine! *slaps flex tape on power armor*
DAMN YOU PHIL SWIFT AND YOUR FLEX SEAL PRODUCTS THE MOLDS TO FIT FIX ANY HOLE
To show you the power of flex tape, I sawed this traitor in half!
Send Phil Swift to close the Eye of Terror
...
I mean... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Somebody needs to make Flex Seal a meme related to TS, that'd be hilarious.
"Well, shit, they blasted Phael. IMHODEN! GET THE UNHOLY FLEX SEAL!"
Technically, the Rubric *was* a success as the Thousand Sons no longer suffer with flesh change. True, that's because they don't *have* flesh anymore, but still.
anothga details, details
that was Ahrimans logic
No really, didn't it turn the sorcerers actually immune against it? I was always under the impression that Thousand Sons Sorcerers can walk around in warp infested environments without fearing mutations thanks to the Rubric.
@@dschehutinefer5627 yes the strongest space wizards are immune until tzeench throws them under the bus.
At least they arent sitting around and collecting dust.
SmokinDeep friedCrusader pa dum tsst
Nagash might do so in order to surprise us with new Ossuarikai Marines
*rimshot.
This is now my favourite rebuttal to any Thousand Sons players now. Thank you.
@@Helskorn No problem.
They actually recruit normal marines and told them to act as automatons
"Initiate, how good are you at being a robot?"
"Beep...Boop..?"
"You're hired. NEXT!"
Stupid lol🤣
Sweet Emperor, an Alpha Legionnaire not claming to be Alpharius!
@Abaddon The Despoiler "HEY! You're a robot! Your name is Rube-69420 and you have to talk like one! Observe, 'Beep Bop FACULTIES INSUFFICIENT! Bop Bep REQUIRE UPDATED EQUIPMENT Kup Dep'. See? Super easy."
I lol'd literally fell of my chair...
They just fill up old sets of armor with sand and send them out.
I never forget an assholes profile picture. Nothing to do with anyone here, just saying.
Rubricae are feared and dangerous......
Until you forget your library card.
SCREAM IN DESPERATION FOR ME RUBRICS
I see what you did there!😁👍
**I swear I had everything planned for and now we’re back to fucking square one!**
Ahriman and the participants of the rubric should've taken into consideration the "law of equivalent exchange". They basically made a Full Metal Alchemist mistake. Lol
They could just ask the Blood Ravens nicely lol
Sweats in blood raven: what are you insinuating about us
As much as I'm down with that...isn't it more likely that they're Lorgar's kids.
High rate of psykers but not as much as thousand sons pre horus heresy, constantly seeking truth and knowledge, not affected by the flesh change spell with can reach across space and time.
@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 hello
So, like the Tomb Kings. A pool of souls that gets summoned over and over.
You can match most 40k armies to fantasy. Tomb kings and thousand sons being one of those.
@@themagickgoblin840 Necrons to Tomb Kings as well. I play both Thousand Sons and Necrons, so I can appreciate they're similarities, even if I got into both armies for different reasons.
@@tylercrissman847 i was a dwarf player so got into space wolves first, now ive moved on to my own custom army but i like the similarities especially if you read the books the writters for these original armies have made since leaving GW theyre fantastic.
@@themagickgoblin840 I'll have to check that out, I never even considered Black Library authors writing stuff outside of BL
@@tylercrissman847 William king who is one of my favourite black library authors wrote a series that is basically set in the old world but totally different. Called Kormac the guardian of dawn. If you ever get the chance to read them they draw so many comparisons to fantasy yet it's very different. I like them alot.
The way you described Hellbrutes made me picture the thousand sons standing there with a chaos-lemonaid stand attracting other chaos marines
Gradually they'll become an all-sorcerer legion, to counter the Grey Knights.
The real question is just wtf Big E was thinking when he designed these guys.
You were trying to prevent all knowledge of the Warp but you made an entire legion of Psychically sensitive marines? What? What's the logic here?
Sometimes I swear he was *trying* to cause betrayal.
He made magnus and his legion to power the astronomican
@@magnuscoles5010 Battery Marines?
@@derekdrake8706 they just keep going, and going, and going
kareem hashimi still doesn’t argue against why he wouldn’t warn them of the warp and it’s ways... pretty stupid move for an almost god
@@targitausrithux2320 The ONE person he should have told was Magnus. Out of everyone in the Galaxy, *Magnus needed to know that shit*
But.. if Chaos feeds in concepts and ideas, maybe the Emperor was trying to "kill" them by wiping out all knowledge of them? ...nah that's way too flimsy. He should have warned Magnus so when Tzeench appeared and offered Magnus help in contacting his daddy, Magnus could've been like.. "Nah, son. I know your ways. Piss off!"
I hear they clean attics and collect the dust to make more marines!
I hear something called "Swiffer" are their mortal enemies...
Or the ever powerful, Dust Buster.
Or the famous 'Dyson vacuums....
"Hey little boy. You want some magic candy?"
It's an interesting question. I've always thought they preferred psykers for recruits, but I didn't know if they _had_ to be psykers, so to speak. It never occurred to me about lacking geneseed.
It's heavily implied that geneseed is one of the few things that can safely amplify/awaken nascent psyker powers iirc.
See: Blood Ravens.
@@unintentionallydramatic That's interesting too ... I'm thinking from the perspective of the Night Lords.
@@Nyctophora
What's the deal with the Night Lords?
Never really paid too much attention to them.
@@unintentionallydramatic There's a lot - in fact 40kTheories has some good videos on them as a good place to start :) Probably too much for me to go into here though I do like talking about them.
Simply, they grow them on a field like daisies.
In Swedish Tusensönerna (the thousand sons) = Tusenskönorna (oxeye/daisy)
So the expression "pushing up the daisies" makes this a selfsufficient circle of life.
I still wonder how asdrubael vect got the name for his boat "dais of destruction" it might be related.
Maybe that's the bee polinating?
That makes more sense, than anything else.
They are swedish and are grown daisies, grown from kötbullar...
@@nidhoggvomwalde2280 sa nån köttbullar?
I've said thos before, but anyone else notice a whole bunch of parallels between the Rubricae and Necrons?!
Andus Dominae - yup. Ancient Egyptian undead automatons, who cannot truly die. See also the Tomb Kings from Warhammer Fantasy.
@@Ajehy I always thought the Necrons were Tomb Kings in 40K!
Andus Dominae - thing is, I think the Tomb Kings were published after the Necrons?
Regardless, I just want to watch a three-way fight between bony undead in silly hats, armored undead in silly hats, and shiny undead without silly hats (except the leaders).
Who would win? Place your bets!
Ancient Egypt themed faction conduct an ill-devised experiment involving higher powers in order to cure an affliction which would eventually wipe them out. Resulting in 99% of their numbers turning into mindless metallic automatons to be ruled by their lucky leaders, who retain their sanity.
Apart from those details, nope, nothing.
In the wise words of magnus the red " we know we sent them a cease and desist but they've been real jerks about it"
8:55 - Ooh, that excerpt gave me chills. Good read!
All is dust, is that not right my brothers?
*rubric marines just stare*
Oh yeah... dust
They empty some hoovers into a suit of armor and mumble some gibberish
I knew it! They have no bodies really, so they're just an army of living armor. With sorcerors at their helm, the Rubric marines could be remotely repaired and used again.
Or personally. Doesn't matter. Fact is that you don't need new soldiers.
Although if I was them, I'd find a way to force the flesh change and put the rubric on new guys as well. Imagine, 10,000 living suits of armor...
They each have a thousand sons. I've cracked the code
Well as a sons player here's a little trade secret! Whenever you go into battle make sure you bring a portable vacuum! Cant waste that precious angry dust.
Your timing is incredible! Always right before I’m about to go to bed. I tune in every time!
Perhaps each marine is forced to sire a thousand sons? Rubricae are all dust except for their cyberdongs?
thcdreams654
That’s some slaneshy ass shit
i appreciate all the hard work you guys do to get these videos up. thank you
Gene seed multiply over time as well making it possible that thousands have been made over the centuries from the sorcerers. Also they could in theory just summon more Rubric marines.
A very extremely awesome video as always 40k Theories.
Great video!
Some marines call for an apothecary they call for a Hoover
Given that some Thousand sons left with their Rubrics to either strike out on their own or join other Legions and how the Thousand Sons Codex describes how the Legion is now organised they must have found some way of creating more Rubricae and Scarab Occult otherwise the formations and groups described would be REALLY small, impractically so.
It's entirely possible that now that Ahriman is back in Magnus' goodbooks (somehow) that the intimate knowledge of the workings of the Rubric is in Magnus and the legions hands so they could be creating more, as otherwise with how risky it is to bring back Rubricae and their constant conflicts with the Space Wolves they'd likely be reduced to a handful, notwithstanding that if they were reduced to a Thousand, which may be hearsay as I think Inferno mentions that they survived Prospero with a fair bit more than that, there's also those exiled, and not all of them would have returned, I.E. those with Iskander Khayon.
i think if a psyker fails the rituals to become an aspiring sorcerer, he will be dustified instantly
clearly the thousand sons hang out outside other chapter's bases in a van with "Free Candy" spray painted on the side
Thats a damn amazing and enchanting voice!
"How Do The Thousand Sons Maintain Their Numbers?"... yeah! don't you hate when those pesky astartes change their phone numbers?
This sounds like a series of books that would lead up to some epic event.
10:00 So the soul of a space marine in the warp can fend off daemons for millenia? Interesting...
In the book Treacheries of the Space Marines their is a short story called The Master’s Bidding in which the Thousand Sons sorcerer Corven admits to being recruited into the legion in M41
Rubric also known as dust sniffers
do you think if you tried to get geneseed from Magnus, would said geneseed look like Buffalo Wings?
There was a Buffalo Marine, in the heart of Tizca...
Alith Anar Only if they use a buffalo sauce warp blessing.
Finallllly, a Thousand Sons vid !
By scraping up some dust and putting it in a suit of power armour I assume.
Rise and shine... Mr Rubric... Rise and shine... Wake up, Mr Rubric. Wake up and smell the ashes.
you gotta do funky capitalization, otherwise ppl might not recognize yer misquoting the G-Man from the Half-Life series, with his weird way of talking
CorvusCorone68 what? Who?
@@gianlucaborg195 did you never play Half-Life 2? that's approximately how the game starts, except Mr Freeman instead of Rubric; and the G-Man is the guy in the suit that "rescues" you at the end of the first Half-Life
@@CorvusCorone68 Never played the game. Good to know. cheers
Liking how the Tyranid theme from DoW 2 was used as the background music.
Yesssss some TS knowledge.
Spear of Russ wasn't destroyed, Ragnar throws it at Magnus and then gets exiled for it but in the last of the Space Wolf novels they get it back. Still a very interesting vid tho! Thanks for giving me something to paint to.
I'd thought they'd try to convince their loyalist kin to rejoin, but nope the loyal sons of Magnus barely even budge.
And when they do, they fall to *Khorne* of all things.
How does dust turn angry
There was a previous video that covered the Rubric being partially retroactive. A bunch of HH era Thousand Sons leave a time pocket, and immediately turn to dust, but without the Rubric armor.
Yo 40K Theories keep it up!!! I need it!! (Butchers Nails kicking in) excuse me!!!
Surely if they'd managed to reverse the rubic then they would reaquire the flesh change? Probably with a vengeance.
Can Magnus the Red be converted from traitor to Loyalist?
If the Emperor slapped Tzeentch enough it might be possible.
I really hope that something like that could happen. I mean, I want TTS Magnus back with Big E Papa and his legion, so correct and polite like their cyclop daddy, following him.
I don’t mind Cadia crumbles, Papa Smurph back and Primaris marine out there, but sometimes I want TTS to be canon.
Considering magnus is now a demon of tzeench and demons can be created and undone in an instant by him. I dont think so.
There's a reason demons never betray their god and that is their very survival. So only if magnus becomes mortal....
Wimpiethe3 Well, a screaming guardsman like me can only dream. I can be contented if at least our lovely supersane lemonlover Rogal Dorn is brought back to the Imperium to quench the most political movements of his smurf brother Roboute Guilliman.
No. Magnus doesn't have a soul anymore, or a body. Tzeentch can just will Magnus out of existence anytime he wishes. None of the traitor primarchs (save for the perfect Fulgrim clone in Trayzin's collection) can ever be redeemed.
9:28 Hey, I've actually read that one! :D
The Aeldari know a way to turn the Rubric back into flesh again as detailed in the Thousand Sons codex:
"Yvraine - the Ynnari emissary of the recently awakened God of the Dead - demonstrates the power she xan offer by restoring to life a dozen Rubric Marines. The ressurected Thousand Sons are staggered by their sudden awakening, knowing not where they are or who they fight, yet they recognise their battle-brother Ahzek Ahriman whom they have not beheld with living eyes for ten millenia."
They are pulled into the void of the webway during the fight so Ahriman cannot study them but it is clear that they can be changed back to normal.
They should just befriend that eldar chick and have her bring them back.
I can see the Thousand Sons splitting from Tzeentch if they can get a resurrection from Ynnead and his followers.
@@mattkennedy9308 i think she did revive some
@@darkanglesfallen4558 she did then killed them my friend told me this
Yeah, she used the resurrection and subsequent death to distract Ahriman.
There's definitely those who would leave Tzeentch if she offered them an escape or reversal.of the Rubric.
@@mattkennedy9308 yeah
I just imaged the sorcerers go around with mason jars trying to recollect the dust and put it in new armor
Could this be a joke theory
"Why does the master of the AdMech armoury hate transports?"
Here's my take:
Tzeentch didn't save the T-sons [a largely loyal chapter]; neither did the rubric. The sorcerers surviving the horrors of Prospero and the events that lead to it suffer from severe PTSD. This manifests, as the Rubricae forcing them to relive their brethren's' deaths over and over again while clinging to the delusion that the past can be undone. Literally the T-sons are haunted by their past. The Thousand Sons for their part continue to commit grievous atrocities in pursuit of the hope that they can somehow restore their long dead brethren, when in fact they only end up replicating the events that drove them to madness in the first place. This forces them further and further into the clutches of Teentch the very god responsible for their sorrows.
Pity the man that remains sane to the bitter end.
Well, the Spear wasn't destroyed when Ragnar used it to break the ritual. As part of his "redemption" (Ragnar's) was in eventually recovering the spear, yes?
The thousand Sons are the coolest looking Space marine traitor chapter. I am just kissed they were forced into becoming chaos because of the Space wolves.
Seems like Big E tweaked the Sons to withstand the psychological effects from fighting chaos and it backfired. Similar effect to Eldar Wraithguard but in reverse sorta
Hmm good info.
I'm not sure that Ragnar destroyed the spear cause I believe he put that same spear through Magnus' eye and was then retrieved later on.
Thought: Maybe the ritual that recruits new sorcerors into the thousand sons turns those that die in the process into new rubrics?
They go around and empty out the vacuum bags
it actually says in the codex that they are capable of resurrecting the rubrics
now i want to see what happen if the necrons vs the Thousand Sons and who would win
Could they use the emperor's sword as a catalyst for another attempt at the ritual or would it have to be the spear of russ?
I thought Chaos astartes had to steal geneseed from loyalist chapters? That the warp corrupts their progeoid glands to a point where they are essentially useless
The TS that the Rubric actually worked on, don't suffer warp sickness
Of all the Chaos warbands, being captured by the Thousand Sons, even if a weak psyker, is a better fate for most Imperial Citizens than on their respective home planet. The Thousand Sons recruit many normal humans into the ranks of thrall wizards, where they are trained and serve the cabal in exchange for knowledge. Supposedly, being a thrall wizard is not a bad fate, as some may even reach leadership within the Thousand Sons.
On a side note, I remember reading about a Raven Guard Librarian meeting a Sanctioned Psyker over use of the Emperor's Tarot, the Librarian seemed to hold the Sanctioned Psyker as a comrade, unlike Space Marines to Guardsmen. I don't think it's much of a stretch that Thousand Sons would have held a similar view to recruits, as psykers share the same worldview, even if traitor.
We are all dust, dust in the wind
I got to see the rubric Marines somewhere to necrons but they still have their soles and necrons don't well they're both space Egyptian Salinas
I would think that the answer is in the name, very prolific.
They get butterfly nets, capture the souls of their brothers, stick them back into their armor, and flex tape it shut.
My favourite Traitor Legion.
This is one of our most well kept secrets how the fuck did you get this information?!?
Hey which page was the passage from Ahriman Exile was it in the book?
It's towards the end of chapter 21
Magic.
It is simple, they are called Blood Ravens ;)
Dust pan and shovel and the dust is put nto a new set of armour
Rubrics are made of warp dust. Change my mind!
Bet Crawl fixed the Rubric somehow.... him or Bile. Actually on a side note, a book with the two of them interacting would be fascinating!
Crawl and bile team up to conquer the Galaxy and the warp. Together they can overthrow the emperor mankind and the chaos God's.
Oh Look! Pre-Necron Necrons...
Now, if Arnold hadn't coined "I'll Be Back" once upon a time, would there ever have been Necrons?
There is an interesting question.
Collect up all the dust in their homes and put it inside empty suits of power armour.
The nicked a resurrection orb from the Necrons.
The Necrons are very cross.
I saw a tweet saying that due to their screening process and astartes conversion processed being bolstered by sorcery instead, it’s possible to have female thousand sons (female sons lmao).
Dunno how valid it is, but food for thought
I dunno man. The more I hear about chaos marines trying to replenish their number the more I begin the think on how is it possible that the legions aren't already extinct or at least so under strength that calling them legions is a moot point. I mean they suffered grevious losses during the horus heresy and the scouring, and most stories I've read tend to show chaos marines being killed off entirely or at least suffering serious casualties. They just dont have the resources or capabilities of replenishing their stocks. I mean shouldn't it be that in the current time of 40k that loyalist space marines significantly outnumber all chaos marines? I know occasionally some chapters, companies, squads and individuals switch over but not nearly enough to support chaos and definatly doesn't explain the legions themselves being major forces in their own right
I dunno. It's been on my mind lately since I started going the three horus heresy books. Marines die like its going out of fashion in some of those.
They magical ressurect up to 1000 since they were dead anyways after Prospero?
Do you plan on finishing the quest for knowledge series?
It still holds up.
Yes
I heard in one of his Q&A's that he had it on the back burner that he'll finish it whenever.
I would like to see the imperium release the gene seed of the thousand sons and make a new chapter of primaris space marines. I know the imperium wouldn’t actually call the new chapter the thousand sons. It would be an imperial secret of the highest secrecy and only known within the chapter what they really were. Just a thought for future lore.
maybe give the Blood Ravens some Primaris Marines?
Huh dust haha
we already had that...
how has magnus not learned how to make gene seed from tzeentch yet? thats what Big E had to do right? idk but then that would give chaos too much of an edge. tzeench only plays on the hardest difficulty settings heh
patrick howard i see i see, yet gene seed production would seem the one thing that chaos undivided would agree upon to divulge to traitors. but then chaos would be too OP tbh. but then loyalists would be just screwed lol
@@Sanguinor_Energy Yeah I want more super powered humans running around my warp. Who have been know to change sides! I will keep my demons and mindless monsters thank you. Beside if you do toss Big E off the throne. Who knows if he is powerful enough to reincarnate (as a woman just to piss people off) then are the legions traitors still?
BryceJ80 i was just saying magnus kind of knows a lot of crap
They just empty their ashtrays inside the suits of armor
Demon Primarchs can still produce genetic material. They just have to get approval from the patron God first. Tzeentch keeps Magnus‘s gene stock in reserve, for when new recruits must be brought into the fold.
so, Magnus can't cum without Tzeentch's approval?
Walking dustbins
They're more Necron Marines than Chaos Marines...
What if Magnus became a demonhost, hosted in an Astartes body? Would they be able to produce Geneseed again?
Do the Rubricae have to be trapped in the original armor they were wearing or can they be "entombed" in any type of astartes power armor? Also, are there any Rubric Terminators?
Pretty sure the Occult Scarab are the Terminators 1:34
@@HalfBreedMix right on. I must've missed that part. However, thanks for not being an ass in your reply.
How do they maintain their numbers?
The same way Magnus ended up with a thousand sons in the first place.
*_ALL IS DUUUUUUUUST_*