Why you should NOT buy anything bigger than a 400cc
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Bought a 2018 Kawasaki Ninja 400 ABS KRT Edition for my 74th birthday, after a 30 year hiatus from motorcycle riding. That was a MUCH better decision than my former wives!
motorcycles don't get pregnant either, ride safe pops
@@rabinkunwar ...and, there's no ongoing child support and alimony!
Rubber down, my brother ; )
Awesome! Welcome back. Great choice. I have the exact same bike. I hope to be riding at your age. I took off 28 years and started back riding a couple of years ago. Mid-life crisis. I'm now 50. Best of luck with future wife choices. Ha!
@@mark52111 I learned my lesson - for the last 15 years I've had a LIW (live-in-woman) who likes to think that she's my girlfriend, and who contributes financially to "living expenses". Those "living expenses" go towards buying my mantoys ; )
usernamemykel Live to ride,ride to live!
People there making fun of 400cc while in Europe we start with 125cc lol
Realrap
My licence exam was on a 600cc fazer. You START with 125 for maybe 2-3 lessons and then go 600 pretty quick.
Depends on you're age I'm 24 and going for a mt-07 but I have dirt background from 50cc to 250cc
People make fun but most of the MotoGP riders are from Europe 😂😂😂😂.
Same in the Philippines lol
Coming from a car background, the Miata reference makes so much sense. Its alot more fun to drive a slow car fast than it is to drive a fast car slow. Also if you aren't as experienced as a driver/ rider, You are only going to be going faster when you crash. Stay Safe, Stay Smart.
So true. I have so many friends who think they're a more skilled driver than they actually are and they've crashed their miatas. You have to be pretty bad at driving if you crash a Miata. I have one myself and never crashed. I don't want to fall into the same trap as them with motorcycles. You absolutely have to build skill to drive or ride good. It doesn't just come to you out of the blue. Thanks for reminding me
I have to disagree.
My first car had 220hp on the wheels - I was 17 - and it saved my life multiple times - either getting me out of trouble during overtaking, because it had the power to accelerate fast, or saved me because of good brakes.
This is the reason I got myself a 1000cc motorbike as my first bike - yes, I need to get used to the fast acceleration and torque - it was the same when I got my car.
But, give it time, a few 1000mls riding, and I will catch up faster.
Then, there is the other issue - here in the UK, they struggled to find for me a 125cc I could ride correctly because I'm tall with long legs.
The 650cc after was fine as it's basically the little brother of my bike.
Yes, I also owned small cars sport cars, and I had the most fun in a Fiat Panda, until I took it out onto the motorway, then it was terrible.
@@ldorman I'm sorry what? You got a liter bike as your first bike? Yeah imma have to disagree anyone start on a liter bike. everyone I know that did either went down in size because even they realized it dumb for public roads and 90 percent of track riders. the other people I know that started on liter bikes are no longer alive.
I kind of see your point but you're just more comfortable on the fast car when driving slow because it's built for speed. Of course it's not worth the price difference.. unless you don't want to be SEEn in a Miata....
Absolutely. In town my Mazda 3 hatch is more fun than my awd talon with ~300-350hp (miss those rainy wind-ie roads).
I enjoyed the light, push it at every lite aspect of my ninja 250 so much, that rather than get a bigger bike, I chose to upgrade to a Ninja 300. 5 years later, and don't regret that at all.
I now also have a DR650, which is completely different, all linear torque from a big tame thumper, still in a bike that weights about the same. It's not nearly as fun in town (hey, it's a bike it's still fun), and it's hard not to speed at low in town speeds, because you won't even notice accidentally bumping up 15mph. But it's great offroad.
That's a nice combo of bikes. If I was doing long distance travelling on a bike (more than 8hrs 1 way), I would trade one of them out. *But that would be a hard decision!* Trade the adventure/offroad bike? Or lose my super fun push it every day daily driver? (is having 3 bikes excessive?)
RC 390 rider here. Every single word stated here is true. Smaller bikes are a blast in the city and the twisties, you’re almost never overwhelmed and that makes you feel confident and try to push a bit harder every time while still being safe.
An old Harley rider told me back when i used to ride a rebel- 'Dosen't matter what you ride, the ladies don't know the difference' So true too. 90% of people don't know a Ninja 400 from a S1000r, heck most don't even know what "cc" means, or if you say your bike has 100 horsepower they'll say "is that alot?". No use trying to impress people that don't know what impressive even is. If it can get the front wheel up, its enough for anyone to have fun on. 40ish horsepower in a lightweight bike is my idea of a perfect motorcycle anyway. I've had bigger bikes but for what i do, i like the 500cc and under classes because they're just so easy to get around on if you commute. Bigger bikes are a pain sometimes, and the higher the price, the higher the stakes if something happens.
@Will _ Surgery for what?
So True. 🤣
Best comment
If you're thinking of a motorcycle in term of impressing other people, you missed the point of riding entirely.
if you're only ridding to impress people then i guess why are you ridding??
Anyone i know who rides cant wait to hop on a 600 or above?
Never have i ever heard of someone wanting to just "commute" on a 500.
Bigger bikes will leave it behind.
Trust me i ride with a group. It definitely sounds like you don't have any ridding buddies or know what your're talking about.
"Oh it's 400. It's so small"
Filipino riders : *surprise pikachu meme*
south east asian be on the honda wave 110i.
@@galaxymode which is somehow tricked out to beat 600cc's
Nop, I saw Many Bajaj Dominor 400 and Few Royal Enfiled GT 525 in Metro Manila and Quezon City in 2018
China major cities already banned bikes ages ago...so sad
@@gamwpanagia Not inline 4 600s
I started on a Ninja 250 for a couple years before switching to a 600. I honestly miss the smaller bike and will definitely buy one again. These smaller bikes are just so fun, controllable, and a lot faster than you think.
But a 600 is honestly the better of the two. It’s fast and responsive. I have rode many 250’s 600’s 1000’s 1300 and the zx14 I will always go back to the 600.
if ur buying another bike
can i have ur 600?
I know it is completely different bike, but I do ride '01 BMW F650GS and it is astonishingly good! Very responsive, super nimble, comfy af and surprisingly fast in the corners. I wanted to buy F4i but one of my friend let me know that GS is available (funny part is that one day before I rode his '00 F650GS and was surprised how easy is to ride this bike). Even though I love sport bikes, accidentally I felt in love in tourist/adv/enduro bikes. Everyone should try those bikes!
U should try zx25r. But ur country don't have one right? Zx25r stock 51hp could go well over 197kmh. A modified zx25r racing exhaust system, sprint P08 filter, it could go over 200+
@@SimPoolman I got a 650 and 750 after my Ninja 250 and now I'm looking at going back to either a 300 or 350.
I just want a bike that I can just jump on and go to the shops or cane at full throttle round the bends without coming a cropper.
It's definitely more fun riding a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow for me.
I had to taste bigger bikes but I do prefer smaller ones. They still go fast enough to be enjoyable
Something my buddy told me when I was looking for a first bike was that the 250/300/400 cc bikes might be slow bikes but they are still fast vehicles. They will out accelerate and handle most commuter cars that people like me are coming off of. Another piece of advice I got is that "outgrowing" bikes is a good thing. Don't "grow into" an R6 as a first bike because like you said, you'll never learn properly. Get a 250 and learn to wring it out. Once you've done that, move up.
This is what I did, started on 250 & now have a 600. Recommended 👍
I guess i'm not sure about "growing" into a bike. Honestly...these post make it seem like if you jump on a R6 death will ensue. Buying a cheaply made, overpriced low CC garbage is just a waste of time and money. Buy once, cry once. As long as you are careful a 600cc is just a safe to start on as a 250cc. I see a lot of people ripping 250-400cc "quasi" sport bikes like hooligans and unfortunately although they might look like a sportbike, they are essentially just standards gussied up to look like the real thing. IMO, that makes it more dangerous. I'd like to see lower CC sportbikes are a true thoroughbred sportbikes with chassis tech of the larger bikes, then i'd agree with the statement of "growing out" of a bike. Really, with the new crop of low cc "sportbikes" you're growing out of an antiquated chassis well before you are growing out of a low hp motor. At that point, start out with a cheap used Honda Rebel.
@@justinlefevre542 the problem with that is that most Brand new riders don't have the throttle control necessary for a 600 or above and due to that it can VERY easily get away from them and get them hurt or killed. Most newbies just don't have the throttle control or skills needed for a powerful bike. Accident waiting to happen.
@@russbilderback Im a beginner with 0 prior experience. First bike after driving school i hopped on was a 1998 fireblade, so basically a litre bike (wasnt my bike, it was my friends)
I had no problem with throttle control. I would say its harder for people who have ridden 125-300cc bikes for years to control a 600 or 1000. Because theyre use to going full throttle and banging gears
@@aok9153 bro u cant go banging gears in the city on a 300, throttle control is all about mental control.
I ride my 400 pretty hard and after 2200 miles I’m averaging 56.5mpg. If I go soft on her I can coast around all day at 70-80mpg. Yeah it’s not the fastest thing in the world. But it’s an absolute blast and when you’re putting yourself through college it’s nice to have a bike where everything is inexpensive. Cheap tires, great mpg, $9 a fill up, easy oil changes, easy maintenance... etc. I love it.
@SurgeActual that bike has since been crushed into a small cube. $0 to fill up now…
@SurgeActual yep thankful to be alive. Put 11k miles on the bike before I got hit. Then 6 months in physical therapy to walk and use my hands again
@SurgeActual nah not since then. I have a GR86 now though that’s my new baby. But nothing is better than riding. I just can’t afford to go down again or they can’t fix it the next time.
@SurgeActual all good man. Ride safe!
@SurgeActual same here. Full gear at the time. That’s why I’m alive
I have a CBR 125 for ripping around my small town here in Canada. Speed limits are low and the roads are curvy. It’s actually really fun for what it is.
Started on a ybr 125 myself. Absolutely incredible fun. Probably more usable fun than my sv650 (maybe because it was the 650s).
what do you pay for insurance bro im in toronto and want a cbr 125
@@paulnolan6866 i am planning to buy ybr 125, currently on cd 70
@@devoonbmx603
Good little bikes those things 😃👍
Imo small cc bikes going fast is better than big cc bikes going slow
Started on a Honda Grom, got a Ninja 400 2 days ago! I learned SO MUCH riding my Grom, down shift rev-matching being in the correct gear and all around street awaress!
Stunt that grom now😂😂 I'm jp but I did it opposite from you just to learn how to stunt
@@oscarangeles7821 Yesterday I asked this guy on a grom to wheelie and he was reluctant but the truck behind him all start yelling for it so he did. Grom is such a vibe
Mod that bihhhh
Started on a 2019 ninja 400 abs as my first bike ever. I'm at 3,000 miles and Its the perfect balance of engaging, forgiving, and downright fun for a new rider. Yeah I can't hop on the freeway and rip past people in 2nd gear, but I also won't get arrested so I take that as a win ;) Also gas prices and full insurance coverage for a 27 year old are quite delightful in terms of how little I pay!!
I absolutely hate hearing anyone talk about bikes under 600cc and calling them "beginner" bikes.
im age 55 and coming back to bikes.. im on a ninja 400 so not just a good beginner bike.. its just a good bike all round
I'm 50 and I Picked up a new Kawasaki Z400...been Riding since about age 24
i got a buddy who rides in our group also pushing 50 something and he rides a CBR 600 and is honestly one of the best riders i know personally.
Im 54 and at 50 i bought a vstar 1300cc. Way to heavy.
Im 170 and i have a ninja H2R
Same here, I'm 56 and looking to get a bike again. I like the Honda cb300r, I like the more up right stance.
Being 6’2 also gives me a lot of confidence from so many CZcams videos out there on how to go about getting a first street bike. Rode dirt bikes growing up and for the 15min drive to and from work and another 12min to an from the gym, I’m convinced this is the right purchase I will be making in the next couple months. 🙏🏽 thank you for the good content.
There's a saying in dirt bike racing "corner for dough, jump for show" I'm sure it applies here somehow.
when you disrespect a bike, it will take you down and grind off some hide or worse.
No matter the displacement
TRUTH!
agreed
Dude!!!
Two strokes are laughing at you!!!
There is no lie in that, especially in the desert turning it will dump you quicker than you realize on a sandy turn.
These bikes are just about unbreakable. Bought one for my wife to learn on and she loved it, commuted to work for 2 years before upgrading. Very reliable and don't think it can't handle the revs, they can sit on 100mph all day long.
no way my friend totaled his just trying to pop a wheelie 😆. it's a 250 bro
@@310smoker no its a 400
How many RPM’s is engine spinning at 100mph?
@@martycech5844 Doesn't really matter. These small jp twins can rev all day long, be poorly maintained, and still live a super long time.
@@martycech5844 at 100mph mine hangs around 10k while weighing 170lbs. Bike still has a lot more speed after that though. Can go 120mph at my weight, but you can bring it to 126ish if your weigh less.
I bought a 400 ccm Yamaha and rode it for 25 years. Then 25 years later, in the U.S. I bought a Honda Sabre and was astonished how easy it is to ride a big one - once experienced on an old small one. You maybe don't need to ride the small bike for so long, but 2 or 3 years is no bad idea to get in.
Love mine. I get compliments everywhere I go on it. The 2018 yellow 💛. It's so clean. Changed rear sprocket for easier wheelies. It's just fun to ride,and easy to throw around!
I've owned 34 different bikes and 2 were ninja 250 and 1 was a ninja 300 and the little ninjas are a blast to ride and very economical..... And if you ride you've probably already heard this several times (because it's true), it's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than it is to ride a fast bike slow.......
me too! Ninja 250 brought back all the spirit!
@Shalin MGTOW negative, fast bikes are beyond lame to ride slowly, they are only enjoyable when wide open, I've had em all and the slower bikes hold a special place in my heart, if only they sounded like a 600 scream or a 1000 roar I'd have never left the little bikes
Yeah and I grow unicorns in my back yard and captured manbearpig
It's even more fun to ride a fast bike fast!
Have ever riden a Yamaha XJ6 Straight piped? I call it perfection
I bought its sister bike, the Z400, last year when it was introduced. My first bike at age 69. SKR reflects my experience: I wanted a bike that I could fling around like I did bicycles like I was a kid. It's actually happening! Would also point out that, besides the secret knowledge that you have one of the best-handling and responsive bikes, you also know you didn't spend a ton of money. (I paid in cash.) Not often talked about, but many bikers, especially younger ones, are stuck paying off a hefty loan. They've bought a bike with which not only the power, but the cost, are too much too manage.
Just got the 2022 Z400 as my first bike last week at 51 years old. I’m loving it. I’m getting used to the power. I was actually worried I got a TOO powerful bike for the first couple days. But I’m learning throttle control and when the best time to shift where I’m not going so fast. I’m so happy getting to ride.
@Evil Eye 210. And it works fine for me.
It's awesome that there are suddenly so many *good* small displacement bikes to choose from.
Always love inline 4 400cc bikes
@@Frank_E-is3ey lol, there are none in line 4 with that displacement, in line 4th are starting from 600cc
Just got my 2021 ninja 400 abs almost a week ago, got almost 300 miles on er. I ride with my bro in law and he got the 2022 Hayabusa, it's so nice not having to worry about a big ass bike like he does. Best first bike I could of gotten I think
I'm gonna get the Honda Navi . more fun bet
I bought a Ninja 400 a couple months ago as my first bike and I absolutely love it! Awesome vid I’ve been waiting on this one for a long time... thanks for giving the little 400 some love! Earned a sub from me.
Phil Myass Usually around 11-12 mph
Hope you have lots of fun, if it's even better than my Ninja 300 should be a lot of fun. Adjustable footpegs can lower the pegs by an inch, gives slightly better leg room
is it fast/quick?
B Haddock yeah I love it and I already have been eyeing some adjustable rearsets!
Benny Snipes I’ve only ever rode a CBR300r and this bike but this is much quicker than that one
This guy is 100% RIGHT!!! I love my 400!!! Fast enough for me to have fun, but not too much power to wipe out easily. Was told I'd get tired of it and want to move up......still waiting for that to happen LOL
I really want a CBR500R but my friends keep pushing me towards a 600 bec they think ill get bored of the 500 it would be my first bike too
@@AP-wu1rv Well they're partly correct, but not because of the relatively low power. The CBR500R has a very upright seating position and soft suspension. It has plenty of power, but the chassis is horrible for fast riding. I've ridden my brother's CBR500R, and I much prefer my CSC RC3 which is a very sporty 250, but with only 20hp. It may not have the power of the Honda, but it's much more flickable since it's lighter, the suspension is stiffer, and it has a seating position similar to a 600.
Same and my country is kinda populated, so its hard to get a road that you can use 600cc+ bike full capability on, hard to do it on normal freeway unless you're suicidal
Just picked my first bike up 2 days ago. Went with the Ninja 400 and I'm loving it. Thanks for the content.
I do not ride motorcycles but I love your channel and all the love, knowledge, and respect you have for them. All the best, keep making these great videos.
I agree most people can't Ride a 400cc bike to its limit but yet they want to get a 750 or 1000
Big engine bikes are either for speed or distance. I can cover 400 miles on my cb500x but, I will cover 600 on Super Tenere. Not that it is not possible to do same but, there is difference of how you feel at the end of day.
Most people can move a bike from point to another and claim they can handle bikes, but can't get the best from the bike.
Don't worry, they're not riding their 750 or 1,000 to the limit either. the bike might be pushing THEM to THEIR limit, but they have no idea what their liter bike can do.
Riding above 6k RPM all the time is not relaxing. I had a Ninja 250 once. Sure it could get me around town but not nicely.
When a hobby becomes more about bragging then enjoying it becomes less valuable. I know many people who purchased super expensive Harleys or super fast busa but kept in kn a garage all its life. Whatever I have is what I "RIDE". Its either you have it or you don't get it.
“These small bikes are too slowwww”... it 0-60s just as fast as your 5.0 coyote you keep stroking 😂
The 0-60 for this bike is not quite as fast as what he showed because he was going down a ramp. It's closer to 4.5 seconds.
The best part about this bike is this: you put me on that bike on a track with a bunch of liter bikes and I'll lap EVERY SINGLE PERSON that talked smack about it saying it was slow and small. Might lap a few of them 2-3 times over.
@@bryanharrison3889 it’s a slow bike man. numbers don’t lie. bragging abt beating a clueless rider doesn’t change the numbers.
Top speed 121mph
@@bryanharrison3889 on Track, yes smaller bikes are better overall. Out in real world driving situations, bigger bikes take over. I've had my 600's, 750's, 1,000's, and now riding a ZX14R. Coming up through the engine size ranks, I throw my ZX14R around like I did my 600, but with much more power behind it.
I'm getting my 2021 ninja 400 in 2 weeks! Can't wait! It will be my first beginner bike.
How has the bike been and your experience riding it?
@@cvrlitoss I had my Ninja for about 6 months and then traded for a Harley 883. I had a blast on the ninja. Got me comfortable on twisties and on 2 wheels in general. The bike gave me zero issues. I think it was a great investment. The reason I traded it in was my knees were bothering me on longer rides. I prefer the cruiser style now for comfort.
You're absolutely correct...We have nice road course north of Tulsa Ok called Hallet . On certain days it's run what you brung and you'd be shocked at what usually wins . A class with Corvetts , Camaros , Mustangs and even a 60's Shelby Cobra , it's the 1980's Nissan 280zx turbos that win . They handle great and you can wind the crap out of those inline 6 turbos.
My first street bike was a new 1998 Yamaha YZF 600 ... I made a decision to buy a Kawasaki Z400 2 weeks ago at age 50 and it feels like it has more usable power than the 600 I once rode ...the Z400 makes me feel 25 again....l just traded in my z400 and now I'm riding a Very Comfortable Suzuki Burgman 400....Ride on Brother
usually riding something younger... makes u feel better. :P
1998 600s weren’t fuel injected .. thats why
I hear you!!! I'll be 77 next birthday LOVE my Ninja!!!!!!!
@@g-low6365 that's what she said...LMAO
The Burgman is a surprisingly capable bike. Plenty quick in the real world and all day comfortable. I love mine! I have FIVE other bikes and I usually take the burger.
Thanks for dropping words of wisdom for new riders as well, like checking mirrors for what is behind you when braking. I am a new rider, happily learning on my 250. Sure I am in 4th gear pushing 45...but I'm learning intelligently as a brand noobie.
Bought a 1989 Honda Transalp. Solved both issues: it's a 600 V-Twin so it sounds big, but because it's a dual-sports bike, it only makes 45-55HP (depending on fuel and its mood that day). It's a bit on the heavy side, but it actually feels quite light when on the road.
Dude your commentary makes so much sense. Thank you
I've had a few bikes and just bought the 2018 ninja 400. It's a dream to Ride!! Perfect amount of power. Very easy to throw around. It feels incredibly safe when cornering, much different to my ninja 300. It's seriously the nicest bike I've owned and I know I can keep up with anything!!
Thanks for the review, I have just been posing this question myself.
You've helped me settle on the 400.
Cheers 👍🏻
My first streetbike was and is a 2000 gsxr750 low miles. Good bike. Obviously not for a beginner. I grew up around streetbikes and raced super cross for a while so I understand bikes and how to respect them. Really you can get whatever you want for your first bike but make sure you can handle it. I test rode a few of my buddies bikes (gsxr600,gsxr750,cbr600) after I rode the 750 I fell in love. Ride safe fellow riders 💯🖤
After decades of hair on fire riding this is not a step down it’s a step in the right direction for me. I started on a 600 ninja and have no regrets because I used my head till I gained the skills. Honestly this is almost as fast as my 1985 600r ninja. Improvements over the years have brought these up to speed. Swapping out the tires and the exhaust going shopping for this in 2021
I have been transforming my 400 into a dedicated track bike over the last year. On a tight, technical track it will keep up with 1000's no problem.
Great video. I agree wholeheartedly I started my wife on a R3 and she progressed quickly to a Honda Rebel 500 and she loves set bike now
Thank you for this. I am researching a first bike and this helps.
I was amazed at that 0-60 run ... good advice, bro!
I completely agree. Some newer riders think anything but a liter bike is a waste of money. Technique beats power every time. Get good technique down first and eventually speed will come, and you'll be better at handling the power of a liter bike. I've seen so many riders on smaller bikes blow away less experienced, poorly skilled, riders on huge bikes.
I wasn't taking anything less than a 600, a 600 is what I wanted and I don't regret getting one, I find everything pretty easy, keeping my distance to spot and avoid random road debris, and going wide open when looking for fun
There is always one to perpetuate that BS point, isn't there? According to your logic you should saw your legs off because Usain Bolt is still faster than you at running, so you don't even deserve having legs.
As for me, I don't give a damn who's faster and who's slower. It's more about enjoying the bike, rather than about absolutely necessarily being faster than everyone else on the face of the planet. If you like a liter, can afford a liter and you do *understand* what a liter is, just go get a liter. No need to waste your time on a moped and going up 50 cc at a time.
Get Sideways Be that as it may 1000cc bikes are unforgiving when it comes to new rider mistakes like whiskey throttle.
Bro I gotta say I really appreciate all ur videos. From learning the basics to deciding on the right bike for me. Keep up the good work and keep the videos coming. - Mike
New to the channel and I love it. thanks for all the info!
Bought a 400 3 months ago. It’s been a blast and I ride with the 6s and the 1s and I’m constantly just pulling up on them, In full control, in full confidence.
The 400 ninja is an anomaly. It’s the dojo bike
I just bought this bike last week I love it man! It’s my first bike and I was worried it was gonna feel slow because it’s not a 600cc but man this feels like a good balance for a first bike. Not fast to where you’re focused on keeping it on the road and not slow to the point where you’re gonna get bored of it in a few months.
bro id get bored of this bike after 2 mins of riding it. buy a real bike and have fun
@@agrozema54 I got an r6 now 💀
@@agrozema54 Pttf, a "Real" bike is heavier and much more impractical for regular street riding. (Unless you like breaking the law).
@@brokeblasian do you regret buying the 400cc?
I started on a Ninja 250, it was a great way to start.
Agreed!
I got my first bike in '09, and it was an '07 R1. I loved that bike, and even though I opened it up time to time, it was obviously way more than I needed. I honestly believe that, if I started smaller with less power, I would've been less apprehensive and gotten more comfortable a lot faster. I would have became a much better rider much sooner.
I will say though, back then we didn't have 400s, and I still believe a 250 IS SOMETHING that you could outgrow in less than a year. When the 300 came out as a starter, though, that was a decent starter. I bought one for my wife and my younger brother, and I rode my wife's (kawasaki 300) more than she did. It's a good bike, man lol.
I haven't thrown a leg over a 400 yet, but I'm frankly considering getting one to give my Diavel a break every now and then. At that price it just seems like an awesome bike I can have a lot of fun on.
The most fun I've ever had on a bike has been on my little Honda CT125. It won't win a single race. It won't climb gnarly trails(my old dual range CT90 will but I digress), but there's something about it. I barely ride my 650cc bike anymore. Puttputting around on country roads is so much more relaxing than racing between places.
I ended up buying a husqvarna svartpilen 401 as my first bike. I absolutely love it. It's so much fun. I've had 105 mph out of it. Beats all traffic at the lights. Overtakes great.
3 months out, how do you like it? Working on getting one for my first
Michael f you like sports bikes R3,Ninja 300or 400cc Ktm duke 390
110% agree with everything you discuss in this video. I started on a modified Gsxr600 five years ago and wrecked it after a year of having it due to my lack of common sense and inability to read corner speed. However I acquired my pop's cbr250r repsol and daily rode it for another year and really fine tuned my riding and corner handling. To all the new riders out there looking to get their first bike, go small and learn the fundamentals. Getting anything bigger will be like skipping the first few chapters in a book. Ride safe, ride smart
Agree. Have a brother in law brand new to bikes thought he was gonna start on a custom Harley chopper. Only thing that stopped him was the $15K price tag. He went to MSF to get licensed then bought a VTX 1300. Sold it less than 6 months later with maybe 2 hours in the saddle. He was never able to gain any confidence on it. Hell, I rode it before he did and the thing was a tank. I've been riding on and off since I was a kid and have owned 5 street bikes, now, 4 have been full-time rides (I live in AZ, so no real reason for downtime). Last, current and next bike Kawasaki Vulcan 900 Custom. I love the comfort and ease of control (I wouldn't mind a little more power, but I'm good with it) I could NOT convince him, no matter how much I tried, that the size of the bike has NOTHING to do with the size of his wanger. Oh, well. His loss.
Beginners. Listen to Sean. He's absolutely telling you the truth!
I was dead set on getting a ZX-6R for my first bike. After taking the Beginners riders course my mind changed real quick..
With the roads I use too get too work a 600 wouldn’t get me their any faster than my Vespa with a knobby front tire haha
@@buffering7612 I ended up getting myself a 390 Duke. Even with the rev limiter set to 7,000 for the first 600miles I'm enjoying every minute when I ride it.
@@phenix66601 congratulations my friend spend some time with it and you’ll find yourself amazed at the bikes/riders you’ll keep up with when your just cruising.
Literally was my same thought process
Currently on my P's (Australia) and still riding my little Z400. Start with that, it's a great bike. I'll be upgrading to a ZX-6R on my full licence tho!
My freaking 350cc RE Meteor gets more attention than my FXDRS. My best pickup line with the RE is, "It gets 100MPG"
(Realistically like 93MPG cause American Road speeds are higher than where it was benchmarked in India, but pffftt, close enough).
Most people don't care for CC, Horsepower, sound, _maybe_ they might care for looks, but a common thing a lot of normal people do care about is efficiency and during this time, 100MPG drops people's jaws without fail, more than any other number on the bike!!!
You know that’s not true bro everybody asks me to rev my r6 and they call it nice and even ladies call my bike beautiful I don’t think they say that about your 350cc just saying bro
I love your ethos and mentality and respect towards all sorts of bikes.
I'm just here to say that i started on a ninja ZX6R a little intimidating at first. Definitely heavy at first if you're not use to the weight. never went over 30MPH first two weeks. No regrets what so ever. It didn't take long before i got use to the weight, speed, braking, throttle everything. It's second nature for me now to hop on and take it through any road. respect the bike and you will be okay.
It’s honestly harder to go from a 250 to a 600 than it is to just start on a 600. People learn habits on the smaller bikes that would get them killed on a bigger bike. I started on a Ninja 500 which is about the biggest small bike out there and it’s fairly quick. But, when I got on a 600 for the first time you have to relearn a lot, can’t twist that throttle, take turns, brake, or hit rough terrain like a 500. I now own the Ninja 500 and a SuperSport because they are so different that I can enjoy both in different ways.
Until a car pulls out in front of you on a ZX-6R you freak out and lose control of the massive amount of speed that sends you to an early death. You were a recipe for disaster you just got lucky like most do. Ask the ones that don't get lucky oh that's right most likely they can't hear you anymore.
@@russelldevane5434 If a car pulls out in front of you on any bike your going to have a bad day. Doing 85mph on a 250 and hitting a car and doing 85mph on a 600 and hitting a car equal being dead either way. You can die on a moped, just don’t be a idiot and pay attentions and you will be ok.
This was the comment I was looking for, I agree!!
@@russelldevane5434 .... "logic"
Somehow the descendent of the original (1989?) GPz500 liquid-cooled twin. That was a simply awesome bike for just the same reasons.
Light. Nimble. Lovely brakes. Not too much tyre. Excellent feel at the bars and pegs. Light enough to throw around. And (UK) plenty of power to keep up with any other bike on the public highway.
The Ninja 250 you mention was sold here back then as the GPz305, also air-cooled and also a simply stonking bike for its size.
Good video. You have hit the nail on the head.
Back in the early eighties, my roommate had a CB400F with clip-ons. I had a job and he didn't, so, since I could pay for gas and had the need, I'm the one who rode it daily. One of the most fun bikes I ever rode, and probably did the most for my riding technique.
My first road legal motorcycle was a 97 ninja 500 when I was 16. The thing was amazing it got 70 miles to the gallon and had almost a 5 gallon tank. It handled amazing and was super fun to ride, thought it was pretty comfortable too
Got an '03 for my first bike, fantastic bike to learn riding and maintenance. Just bought a '22 400 and I'd defiantly say it's almost exactly like the 500, more than the 250 or 300.
I had a Ninja 500 too. Except I got about 55 MPG LOL. Great bikes and when you consider it had 60 HP back in the late 80's it's pretty damn amazing. 120HP per liter and dead reliable too.
This was my first bike. I just started riding around a year and a half ago, and I loved this bike. LOVE LOVE LOVE this motorcycle. Even now, after I traded it in and upgraded to a gsxr1000, I still have nothing but great things to say. Exceptional handling, smooth throttle, slpr clutch is something you can certainly appreciate as a first rider. Learned how to corner properly, learned how to watch others, gauge speed, stop, everything on this bike. My only knock is the norm - after about 8 months with it, I needed more. Granted I travel on the interstate often, and the roads around where I live just benefit the 1000 more, helping me avoid other advanced situations. Either way, if you're interested in learning how to truly ride, this honestly is about the best beginner bike I could refer.
Thank you for this. I'm planning to buy one and this will be my first bike. I'm only 5'5 and love to ride in two wheels. The weight was really suitable for me.
I've been riding for 34 years, had bikes from a 175 cc to 1000. I find that for real world, every day riding, the smaller displacement bikes are not only more practical and cheaper to insure but also a lot of fun.
I got a Honda CBR 650f and it has been a perfect first bike for me, but then again I have some experience on dirt and I have a great sense for balance and mechanics of biking
First time rider, my first bike is a Ninja 400 and I haven’t regretted it thus far. Great Bike! I don’t think I’m gonna go bigger. ✌🏽
I planned on getting a Honda 2021 CBR500 ABS, but it sold and i got a 2020 Ninja 400. Its amazing, highly recommend for new riders.
I have a 2018 CB1000R which is ~143 hp. I also have a Tenere 700, 72 hp. I love both bikes but I have way more fun on the Tenere because it’s just so flickable and so easy to corner. I can really ride it hard without worrying too much about it getting away from me or the conditions of the road -it eats pot holes.
It really is true, if you’re spending your time managing the power you’re not learning to ride but rather survive. Tenere is a very tall bike though so definitely not something you would want to have as a first bike, although it handles drops well. Another thing I always tell people, why pay for insurance on a “Ferrari” when your skill set is “Hyundai”?
I'm so glad I started with a 250cc, it's light and nimble. It's great on City streets, but way too sluggish on a freeway. I can bring it up to freeway speed, but it takes time. Still I love my little 250cc it's a fun city street bike.
Speak for yourself, my 1997 4 cyl 250 cc honda hornet did 180 kph. 0 - 100 in 5.8 sec.
My 750 cc 2 cyl does about the same.
@@semvv8638 but that’s a proper 4 cylinder sports bike, most 250s nowadays are twins and meant to be less powerful for beginners
The small ones are human vibrators on the freeway.
Same for me. My 250cc Works in the city and is not too heavy but has a decent amount of power to not be terrible on the highway.
The Ninja 250s have about 30% more HP, which makes a big difference for freeway vs a lot of the other 250's. But you can't be rev-shy for that.
I still think it's borderline for 70mph freeways (passing is like a 90's family sedan, which is not enough power to get out of the way fast).
And to Su Freidman, my 250 seemed smooth on the freeway, no hand numbing. Actually my 300 has a little, because it seems to have some resonance point that corresponds to one of the foot pegs. (should be an easy fix by changing the foot peg geometry and dampening).
I was more aware of engine vibrations on my friends GSXR750 at low rpm, than on my 250, but at medium to high rpm it smooths out substantially.
I had my ninja 300 for 3 years. I loved that thing. In the turns I would literally eat up my friends who were riding liter bikes. They were all too scared to really get it in the corners. I recently traded my Ninja in for a 2017 Sportster Roadster edition Harley and I love it. I really cant agree enough about a starter bike being smaller. You get to build so much confidence and riding ability. That bike was so forgiving to me with the technology like the Slipper clutch assist and ABS. I learned a lot of lessons and had plenty of "Ohh Shit Moments" on that bike. The throttle response in the low RPMs was very forgiving.
I really feel the part about being able to use every ounce of the bikes power on the smaller bikes. You can just give it everything and nothing felt better than when you are synced up and everything is coming together.
Great video man!
how do you like the roadster? I like the looks but I wonder about cornering speed and ability , also that it looks like it could feel top heavy
Same here bro I’ve had my ninja 300
For 3 years and 4 months now moving up to the ninja 400
I can relate to this quite a bit. I started on an R1, switched to a GSXR 1000 and now have a hayabusa. I can say for certain it took me a lot longer to become a good rider because it took a lot longer to build confidence on a bigger bike. However I do not regret my choices at all. Like everyone says, you should buy the bike that you want and enjoy, not the bike someone wants you to get.
Great advice, I am looking into this ninja 400 as my first bike. I think its the same case with the miata, its only got 140ish HP but when you really know how to drive it in the twisties you can EASILY keep up with 300-500 HP corvettes.
I actually got approved for one of these (400 ABS) today as my first bike. I chose the smaller and cheaper bike because I know mistakes will be made. I'll spend the big money once I get more confident in my driving ability.
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Very smart, me too!
"Mistakes will be made
Smart decision
Did you make mistakes or upgrade yet?
I enjoyed this very enthusiastic review! A lightweight, 40 - 50 hp motorcycle has more than enough 'real world' performance for road riding and it 'forces' you actively Ride the bike rather than being 'taken along for a ride' on a 180 hp rocket. Actually, they're both awesome in their own way!!
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I ride an 88 CBR250R (MC19) and my husband has many bikes, including an old Z1000 and still loves jumping on mine any chance he gets and will always come home with a smile on his face. Absolutely, without a doubt, the best fun and sounds like a Formula one car too.
I started on the Ninja 300. That little bike was a blast. I am small - 154cm, 49kg. That bike fitted me to perfection.
Thanks. You helped me a lot. The size comparisson is exactly what i needed to see. Idiots say the er6f (4s to a 100) is good for begginers. I was little bit scared to ride It, but i didnt want a small bike. Now the decision is made.
I purchased my 2019 z400 about 5 months ago. I researched which bike I was going to buy as I built my credit or should I say rebuilt my credit, and CZcams researched and changed my mind several times over the course of a year and a half to two years. I narrowed it down to two motorcycles that would suit my needs. I have been riding since I was eight years old. I got tired of hearing everything about beginner bike beginner bike, beginner bike, great beginner bike. Well, let me tell you this I have had all the motorcycles from dirt bikes to enduros to street bikes to sleds to... You name it. I wanted something that was fun to ride and cool to commute on. I would buy this motorcycle again tomorrow. No questions. It's a great little bike. Put a Leo Vince slip on exhaust on it. Lose 7 lb, add a horsepower, and make it sound just a little bit nicer. Have a great day!
Really enjoyed this video! And I couldn’t agree more on the Miata reference. My E85 BMW Z4 is a blast to drive on the back roads.
'Like a Miata.' I can understand that. So much fun just driving under the speed limit in those. Off the line, slamming through the gears. It's about the take offs, turns, handling, responsiveness. Not much engine, sure, but even less car. Starts and stops like it's a go kart. Even without high speeds it's a lot to work with.
I got the Ninja 400 and it’s a Really good Bike it has enough power to keep up with traffic in freeways, here in Cali you can’t ride to fast specially in LA, so I’m good for now...
I agree when you say you're missing out. I started on a 2012 CRB250R then moved to a 2015 R3 and now I'm riding a Kawasaki Z650. I feel that now on the Z650 I feel really comfortable and I'm having so much fun. I had a lot of fun on the smaller bikes, but now I have the handling of a smaller bike but still have lots of torque for some straight road fun!!
I had an FZ07 and after 21,000 km I sold it for a 250 super Moto. Now I have a Z400 and absolutely love it, when it comes to smiles/$ I get more out of the 400 than any other bike I've had so far...
Had an R1 and a ZX-6. The most fun bike was no question my ZX-6R. You learn so much on a 600cc.. 1000cc is just to go fast.
Love riding !!.. ride safe..
I’ve found 250s perfect for DD and the 500 ish range more than enough for everything else except two up loaded down touring.
The Miata analogy was perfect
Had so much fun on my TW200 back in the day! There used to be some choices for low cc street bikes too, not so much now.
Duke 200, BMW310, Honda has a few, as well as every bike and scooter builder except HD including the other chug toot toots builders, and Ducati, none of them, not picked up on the concept of “specific performance”. Chug toot toot builders thing is to think it’s related to decibel reading… yep school of hard knocks science class is seat of the pants plus skid marks wider than Bertha Butts g-sting multiplied by decibels …. !
Thanks for this video! What you are saying to very true. As a guy that has been riding sport bikes for 45 years, I have seen many newbies buy a big bike and crash it...sadly taking their lives a couple times. Many times just scaring them and they quit bikes for good.
I just downsized from an SV1000S to a DRZ400SM. I'm loving it and actually take most corners faster....with 70-80 HP less.
I agree I have my first bike which is a 2014 ninja 300 and my 2017 cbr 1000 rr sp and I love both of them.
My 1st bike is a 2008 CBR600RR (Bought new and still own) and after 11 years I am hoping to get the H2SXSE+ in the next few years. When the time come i want to test drive for comfort but tho i still LOVE my CBR, I want the H2 haha. Seems like a great sport touring bike to me!
My first sport bike was a 2003 Suzuki SV 650s. That I tricked out. Full fairing. Frame sliders two brothers Carbon fiber exhaust and much more. I miss that bike! I wish I never sold it. I learned how to ride it and was able keep up with just about anything on the twisties!
My first bike was a Derby 50cc scooter, rode in college. Then my first real street bike was an R6, 600cc are definitely ok to learn on IMO bc they make all their power at very high revs. Not as likely to slip the back tire or loop with too much throttle.
the more years I get into riding, I am returning into smaller bikes like this
250cc to 400cc bikes are good beginner sizes. No doubt about it
Agreed.
ehh. 600cc is where it’s at
Yet I'm nervous to drive yamaha r15 which has 150cc
@@lamurcribb6888 Nope. Shit's too tall for me.
@@edlenorgaeron8003 how short are you?
Sean man because of you im back riding! High sided my gsxr scared me ro death so picked up the rc390 and WOW WHAT A GREAT BIKE!🔥🔥🔥keep up the great motivational threads my man..
Does it still run?
Great bike info and a man of God, subscribed :)
Dude that was a super solid 0-60. Well done bro!
Riders literally have physics on our side when it comes to a performance comparison with cars.
For the record I really really enjoy riding my 1982 Honda Silverwing interstate. Only 497 CC
SEAN GREAT TIPS ABOUT EVERYDAY RIDING. EVEN GUYS WHO ARE VETERAN RIDERS. U ALWAYS GIVE GOOD REMINDERS. THANK YOU!!!
This is the most educational video for anyone in general. It is not about speed but how you learn the fundamentals and many people miss that point. That is why being the rabbit doesn't mean that you will win because you fail to grasp the fundamentals of being a professional rider.