2021 Lightweight Naked Bike Shootout
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- čas přidán 26. 09. 2021
- You know what they say: It’s more fun to ride a slow motorcycle fast than a fast motorcycle slow. Yet another example of conventional wisdom baloney. It’s actually more fun to ride a fast bike fast, or even a medium-fast one. I’m pretty sure that’s why they keep building faster motorcycles all the time. Heck, you could argue faster bikes are also safer, because power can get you out of trouble just as easily as it can get you into it (once you’ve learned to ride, that is). And power can launch you out of corners, instead of incentivizing you to cling to every mph when you’re diving into them the way slow bikes do when ridden in packs of MOrons. Have you seen a Moto3 race? They’re faster mid-corner than the Moto2 or MotoGP bikes.
Then again, you can probably trust that front tire since all these bikes weigh well under 400 pounds. And you’re definitely not braking into those corners from triple-digit speeds, so how bad could it be? Well. It takes a certain lack of imagination, like the famous race car driver said, to ride these quickly on the street.
But these aren’t just motorcycles for sport riding. Little bikes are a blast in urban areas where space is at a premium, and with what you save in gas and tires, they probably pencil out not bad against public transportation.
It turns out only having $6k to spend on a new motorcycle doesn’t have to be a bad thing, especially when you’ve got us to help separate the wheat from the chaff. No, no need to thank us: Just hit the Like button on the video.
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Thank you Troy for bringing up the reliability and maintenance aspect of these bikes. Totally agree with your comments. Total cost of ownership should be included in all of your guys' reviews since it does contribute to the overall experience.
Haha I was the one who talks shit on that subject in the other video, KTM reliablety is trash plus they don't offer extended warranty on their bikes and that's tell you a lot
@@RidingNomad My experience with KTM has been pretty great so far. I have a '17 SDGT (20k miles) and an '18 Duke 390 (6k miles) both purchased new, and they both have been problem-free so far. The 390 has Andreani front fork upgrade and Ohlins rear, Galfer rotor, and Akrapovic slip-on, and I've done 6 track days on it (plus some street riding) and it's been just fine. I know the pre-'17 390's were more problematic, but seems like they addressed it with the later models. Just one guy with a couple KTM's, so doesn't necessarily speak to overall brand quality issues, and maybe I just got lucky with mine, but my Ducati's were way worse.
@@kevpcon "My 20k mile bike is problem free." Yeah so was my Multistrada, until it ate the con rod bearings at 29k. Euro bikes are garbage, never again.
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@@RidingNomad Talking out of your ass. On my 4th KTM, zero mechanical issues. Had to replace a few batteries about it. They win endurance race’s around the world, not possible on a pos. Need to get experience, your own and stop parroting what you read online.
I own a 2019 BMW G310R all I can say is what a great motorcycle, I commute everyday with it and it does everything that I ask of it. I put in a K&N air filter and took the stock muffler and opened it up and had the computer re tuned and this bike is fast. I have no problem riding on the highway at all.
It's really rare to hear a reviewer say something negative but when I do hear negativity I tend to think they're more honest as reviewers
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After riding the Duke 390, your throttle response, counter steering ability, overall control over the motorcycle becomes so accurate that you can upgrade to any 1000cc motorcycles out there. I have directly upgraded from the 2018 Duke 390 to a 2020 S1000RR.
The Z4 is a great place to start but having been a rider all my life I chose to add a Duke 390 to my stable for that hooligan all around 40 + hp engine and it’s race ready heritage it will run 110 out the box corners aggressively and is a confidence builder in the wheeli dept.
Hey mate, I have a S1000RR and I'm petrified to drop it while riding on the shitty roads of Australia.
Do you believe duke 390 has anything to offer if I add as the second bike to my stable?
If you added it to your stable and equipped it with Michelin power piolet 2ct tires I can assure you that your confidence in the corners will not only improve but you will find yourself trying to spend all your time there. I spend my time in the Sierra foothills just south of Sacramento and the roads are very twisty and some in need of repair like yours in Australia...@@raymadani270
@@raymadani270 Get a Duke 790 or 890....with an extended warranty lol. You won't regret it as long as it doesn't break.
@@raymadani270imo a lighter bike is easier off-road or on shitty roads and most of the time cost less anyways and I think you can tune the suspension a lot looser since it’s light so it’s gonna go off road somewhere
The KTM spoiled me. The 390 Duke is the first thing I took out on the road after the MSF and it really set the standard pretty high. I've been on a bunch of other bikes but I ended up buying the 390 ADV and I love it.
Same goes with me brother.:) got the 390 duke in 2016 & later the 390 Adv in 2020 ;)
I’ve had several manufacturers in the garage. I got a new 390 in 2017, since then I’ve had a 690, 1290 and now a ‘21 890R. Still have a Yamaha and Suzuki in the garage but I keep firing up the KTM when it’s time to ride. It delivers what the others don’t, excitement.
Wait till you get on a 790/890 ADV :]
dealers know, car, an bike, if they can get u to test drive, its sold. u have to narrow it down to 2. Or 3, and force urself to drive all of them, go home an think about it. maybe a couple days. this group its the Kawy or the KTM. ull never know if u liked the kawy better. KTM pretty much dominates every sector on specs. an looks, so ur pre-programmed. people argue specs all day, u gotta go ride each one.
@@ribalderr6052 better yet, own a few. Everyone knows the Japanese have the dependability wrapped up, but the other manufacturers have tightened that gap over the years. One thing KTM has on most others is excitement and innovation, something lacking in the old school take years to change anything that’s become the normal. Suzuki is still selling the same bikes for 20+ years.
i own a 2020 duke 390, and in the season so far ive put 15000km/8000mi and the bike has been solid as a rock. its my first motorcycle and i enjoy the hell out of it. Put a smile on my face knowing it came out on top. Id recommend the bike to anyone.
"New riders that just want to ride and not wrench." That describes me perfectly which is why I went with the z400. 100 percent agree with the muffler criticism. Switched it out for a Leo Vince and couldn't be more satisfied. Great video! Must've watched the z400 vs duke390 video you guys put out a few years back a couple dozen times.
You made a great choice. In this class, the Ninja 400 and Duke 390 definitely punch well above their weight.
I chose the Z400. I'm 5' 10" so I added bar risers from EBay that set the bars up and back just enough. I also added a Norton Motorsports seat because my 'man parts' were being abused crushed against the tank. The bike feels almost as stable on the highway as my Harley Road King Classic was and there is enough power to pass at highway speeds easily. Japanese engines are very reliable so the KTM powered bikes were not even considered. The Z400 is my 30th motorcycle and I'm very satisfied with my purchase!
I had an old Ninja 250 that received almost no maintenance (I've learned, and bless that bike for putting up with me), and it ran for soooo long. Finally replaced the spark plugs (likely the OEM ones), woke it back up, and it went to another first-time rider.
@@CommieHunter7 that's why I love Kawasaki. First bike was a ninja 650 that was second hand. Still have the bike and it runs great. Next bike I get will be the z900rs
Your comment, Troy, about reliability is very pertinent, to all motorcycles. I wish this was done on all classes, of all shoot-outs. It wasn’t until my Ducati 1098 blew up, that I found out they were blowing up everywhere.
Why did your 1098 blow up?
I'm saving up to get a 1098S streetfighter in a year or two (I want to be able to afford the desmo services without thinking about them), I've seen monsters, streetfighters, panigales etc. have their engines get wrecked just by belt failure but what else should I look out for?
@@boldstar69 I don't know why it blew up. But when it did and I started looking around for parts, one guy said he had 3 blown engines under his work bench. I was told if you don't change your oil it can cause it to go, but I changed mine every 5000 km. I did everything right and more. I wrote to the CEO at Ducati and all they gave me was extra discount on parts. Cost me thousands.
I listen to a lot of video where people bring up KTM reliability as an issue. Both of the KTMs I have owned were very reliable, although I will concede that they are high maintenance. As long as the maintenance was kept up to date I had no problems.
The worst quality motorcycle I ever owned was a Yamaha and that was closely followed by a Kawasaki, both bikes I brought new and had continuous problems with them until I traded them in.
My point is not that one brand is more reliable than the other, sometimes it is luck of the draw.
@@web525 The Japanese bikes are more reliable. Consumer reporting data shows it. But also it's (un)luck of the draw like you say. (And can sometimes vary more from model to model than brand to brand.) It's something like the difference between ~7 serious issues in 1000 for Yamaha/Honda vs ~20 serious issues in 1000 KTM.* Usually you won't have one of the 2% that have an issue even if you do dare to go KTM.
It sounds perhaps scarier than it should when someone frames it as "KTM is almost 3x more likely to have an issue."
* (stats estimated from memory and may be off a bit)
You're surprised a Ducati blew up?
I bought the 390 Duke when it was launched back in 2017 and have been riding it for 4 years now & I am in love with this motorcycle every time I ride it ❤️❤️
I own a 2020 Duke 390 and racked up 33k miles in a year commuting to work 5 days a week. Loved every minute and the only problem I had was the damn kick stand sensor. It shut the bike off multiple times at freeway speeds. Solution…take the magnet nut whatever of the stand and super glue it to the sensor. I’ve done all the maintenance myself, super easy if you’re mechanically inclined. Overall, I love it and would absolutely recommend it to anyone looking for a fun, comfortable ride
If you read stuff on the internet you would know you can't put 33k miles a year on it without it blowing up. ;)
I've owned both the KTM Duke 390 and the Z400. I currently own a Duke 790 and love the Duke line-up. Yes I've had a Super Duke too (It truly is a BEAST) but settled on the 790 for sanity reasons. The 390 and Z400 are fun bikes and loads of smiles even for us experienced riders (40+ years). When it came to purchasing a bike for my son to ride. I purchased the Z400 for it's reliability and all around ability to grow with my son. I did purchase the higher ergo seat ($160) and it made the ride experience much better. The boys are no longer crammed against the tank. I still enjoy taking the Z400 out every so often. It's a fun flickable bike with just enough power. Currently looking to add the KTM 390 Adventure to the stable. My main point is, if you buy the Z400. SPEND THE EXTRA CASH FOR THE ERGO SEAT. It becomes a more comfortable bike that will probably keep the owner happy with it's abilities and comfort, for years.
Since you have owned both the Duke 390 and the Z400 I was wondering if I could get your opinion? I am kind of torn between the two and don't know which to choose. My son bought a Duke 390 and wants me to get a bike so I can ride with him. I am 52 and have never owned a road bike just dirt bikes in the past. I am looking at a used 2019 Duke 390 with 4,900 miles for $4000 and a used 2020 Kawasaki Z400 with 1,800 miles for $4,500 at a cycle shop. I am torn because I know the reliability of the Kawasaki's but I road his Duke 390 and it was a blast. We both are beginners and won't be wrenching on them and will probably be riding mostly once or twice a week when it gets warmer. Which do you think would be best to start on in your opinion for guy my age which is only around 5 ft. 6 inches and 130 Lbs. Also I haven't rode the Kawasaki yet, I just called about it today. Thanks for any input
I chose Z400. I’m 160lbs so not a heavy guy. I started on Honda CB500F for two years, which was stolen. Had to decide if I was going to use it as a chance to upgrade, but ultimately decided to take the insurance money and get the Z400 outright, $6000 Canadian out the door. Basically the same power as the Honda with 60 lbs less to move. Goes plenty fast for street riding. Great gas mileage. I’ve put almost 24 000 km on it the last two summers.
I'm debating to buy a z400 or cb500f , which one would you choose?
@@andipandi559 I now have 66,250 KM on my 2019 Z400.
Not a single problem.
@@kermit8619 is there anything you would change eg suspension , seat
@@andipandi559 I have a carbon fiber Acrapovic slipon, the original pipe have 0 sound.
And the thing I can't live without : A quick shifter 😀
@@andipandi559 And I also got my friend to install some extra padding on the seat.
good to see the KTM Duke 390 still staying on top of the the lightweight naked bike segment. My ownership experience has had its minor annoyances with repairs that were taken care by the warranty. But the bike does ride well and its hard to decide what to replace it with. Leaning towards Husky 701 SM.
have a 390 rn as my first bike and am also looking at the husky or the smcr 690 for my next bike.
I am so glad you mentioned "fast bike fast" because everyone who shares that phrase completely forgets that there are other options than the two they present.
Not really, it's just that the phrase pertains to riding on the road, where riding a 'fast bike fast' isn't really an option.
I watched this video 2 months ago & decided to go buy the KTM 390 Duke. I’ve just had it in the shop for its first service. Now I can give it full power & ride it fast. It’s awesome. It’s a crazy fun bike. Go buy one tomorrow. You won’t be disappointed 💯
I really appreciate this kind of review/comparison format.
I did part of my mandatory driving classes on a Z-400 and I hated it, really uncomfortable and with a huge tendency to push your sack against the tank.
The huky is the one I'd go for if the options were the ones featured.
Second! I love you’re reviews and was just thinking that this is the year I’ll buy a bike, great timing!
Bunch of opinions from real life guys not speaking "presentational English." This is the best.
Can hardly wait to see a new Super Naked Bike Shootout!! Great job guys!!!
2019 KTM 390 Duke has just over 5k since new. The only things I've done to the motor is a K&N air filter, mid pipe & exhaust, power commander w/ quick shifter, dyno tune with zero problems! I've put on the track in intermediate class several times, what a blast to ride!!
Fun bike, but you spent a lot to get little. I’ve seen a lot do this on small displacement and might get 2-3 hp, which isn’t really noticeable. I’d see upgrading the suspension, the only weak point of that bike. Love mine.
I have a 2019 Duke 390. 6000 miles. I only put bar end mirrors and a tail tidy. I’m going to do the air filter and exhaust over the winter. I love it!!! I get so much attention on it. Constantly answering questions about it.
I have 2016 RC 390 with aracer standalone ECU, wide band O2 sensor, bigger air box, open lid k&n, bigger injector, free flow exhaust for now and other parts which I have for next stage is highlift camshafts, high compression ratio gasket kit, billet connecting rod and titanium valve springs retainers.
I am revving up to 12,000rpm. Amazing fun.
Always love the content. Some of the best out there.
So glad to see the other guys back. I love the internet. I’ve watched your reviews from years ago as I now scan the used bike market. Also, on a side note, I’d love to see a review with John burns, Arie henning, and Adam waheed
I like these kind of videos. Thank you for this roundup
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Appreciate the honest and well thought review guys.
Z400 and MT03 is simply the sweetest bikes here. The D390 coming next along with the husky. We can agree that the BMW is a horrible bike. Thanks to that engine.
The only issue with the 373 motor here is it's not the most reliable. It's pretty good if you only want the bike for 2-3 years. However, the Japanese lasts a lifetime.
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A bit harsh on the bmw.
It's a good bike. You don't always measure how good a bike is by how fast it goes and imo it accelerates fast enough and who needs to do a ton.
I don't own one but rode one and it's great for the money.
Yeah, I have the BMW too. It looks great, is super reliable and a great beginner’s bike. I’m short, so I got the BMW low seat and the Bestem lowering link and can flat foot it now. It’s also the cheapest bike for actual, real world pricing. $4,400 at BMW Motorrad out the door. Really don’t care that it’s slow. I have a 490Hp Ferrari California, a 495Hp 70th Anniversary C8 Convertible and a CyberBeast when I need to go fast.
Have been using KTM for the last 3 years, still gets me off guard sometimes. It's a nice little peppy thing.
I have a friend called Peter but we call him Peppy.
Great review. Very informative and fun to watch during the snowy and cold winter here in Sweden.
Yeah... I picked the 2021 DUKE 390 for a great fun bike. The medium compound tyres off the showroom floor are actually pretty good but I go for softs eventually. Also a tail tidy will make the rear look much better. Great review! Thanks.
I’ve got almost 4,000 miles clocked in my 2021 390 Duke. Bought it at 0 and it’s still runnin strong all thing’s considering. I bought that bike specifically as a weekend thrasher. Something I can ride and have fun on, was the soul purpose behind the purchase. I even told my insurance that this thing isn’t nothin more than a toy. Then my ‘99 CR-V failed compression in cyl one and the 390 Duke unfortunately became my daily and is still for now. Believe the bike only had 1,026 miles before the Honda broke down so, miles have been thrown on since then. I will say, the Duke will almost always be a fun punchy little thrasher. Problem I had when I first owned it was not respecting it for what it was( a little bike). Think I’ve gotten to that point where I’m like “yea, it’s a cool little dude” 😆
Bought the svartpilen 401 as my first bike at the beginning of the summer and already have over 4,000 miles on it. It's a great bike and am loving it so far. Having adjustable suspension is very nice and the tires are great on the street and off-road on gravel and dirt.
The best tires , period 👌
Am thinking of getting this, how is the ride experience/comfort? Does it vibrate a lot to the point of numbing? And how is it on interstate speed?
@@johncruz2488 I'm 6'3" and still find it to be perfectly comfortable in terms of rider position. Compared to my second bike, an Africa Twin, the 401's footpegs are a little higher causing slightly more bend in my knee, and the reach to the handlebars is slightly farther so i'm leaned forward ever so slightly where on the AT I can sit straight upright. Mine honestly doesn't vibrate much at all, and it's never given me any numbness. It's perfectly fine going all the way up to about 80 mph or so - passed that it's starting struggle a little bit and you won't have a lot of passing power, but on a flat straight road mine tops out at about 95-100 mph in sixth gear. So highways and interstates shouldn't be any problem.
Now that more time has passed and i have more motorcycle experience, i can say the 401 is an excellent bike to start on (if not the best) imo. Fast enough to have fun, but not so fast you'll accidentally kill yourself. It's light, narrow for lane filtering, good on the street, good on the dirt. You can practice clutch ups and wheelies on it, and turn off the rear abs to skid the rear wheel.
My only criticisms are that i wish the seat were more comfortable. After about an hour i find my butt really starting to get sore and need to get off and take a break for a minute. And the instrument cluster could be better. It works fine, but navigating the menus and setting the clock or resetting the tripometer aren't super obvious or intuitive. You'll basically have to reference the manual to figure how to work it. Other than that the bike is excellent though. Have fun
@@coolfool102191 this is probably the most honest and refreshing feedback i’ve gotten so far. Thank you so much! Am coming from a small displacement bike, been riding for a year. The vibrations and the suspension of my current bike is spine rattling. Am thinking of getting this as a replacement. Your response probably sealed the deal for me. :)Thanks again!
Nice job as usual guys! Your middle weight shoot out pushed me over the edge and now I have an MT09 SP on order. I'd like a smaller bike but being 6"4" and 220 just not in the cards. I'm surprised the MT03 was an "also ran".
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Great review.
One of the best review video i have ever seen
😂😂 The BMW cruises right along in the 80’s.. after that it’s buzzy…. For many regular riders we don’t cruise along at 100 MPH I am fine with 80.
A nice thing the KTM has is back lighting on all the controls.
Loved my KTM390 , so much so I purchased the new 890. Either way you go you will not regret it. One of the most enjoyable bikes I’ve ridden and so much character. The 390 is a blast 💥
Shouldnt the Honda CB300r be part of this?
Indeed...
As a rider for over 50 years I finally got my wife to ride her own bike. We elected the Z400 because my wife is 5 foot 1 inch and 105 lbs. I rode all bikes ( note I own a Ducati 1200 Monster S, 1250 RS BMW, and finally sold my Honda Goldwing) and for my wife it’s the best over all leader in the bunch. The smooth clutch and low seat height and great turning ability in the mountains. We ride in the Colorado Rockies and the bike is smooth. Also, note that that 3 of the 5 bikes are made in India and reliability issues concern me. As one tester said the Z400 is dependable and easy to maintain.
The Duke 390 is a dream. I have put 3000 miles on it so far and every single one has been a blast. I bought mine used wit 5,500 miles on it and have had no issues. Overall I highly recommend the 390 platform.
Good video, good editing. 👍 Keep it coming
Great review. Keep up the good work guys. I miss reading Sport Rider.
Great comparison video! Appreciate the content!
I’ve put 10,000 km on my 2019 Duke and it is a blast. No mechanical problems, runs great. It’s not a beginner bike, it just puts a grin on your face. I just purchased an ADV 390, here comes the dirt!
Hello dirt.. welcome
390 Duke got me interested in motorcycles for the first time in my life...and then the z400 came out and I finally got one. 3 years later and 2 more bikes in the garage and the Z400 is still my favorite.
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Great review guys.
From my experience (I am from Indonesia, a SEA country). I own mt 25 (reduced bore due to regulation and a naked version of r3), and it was the best to commute for me. Good fuel efficiency, easy to learn and fun to drive, and cheap maintenance. Mt25 felt good because it is in a more relaxed position imo, but not as comfy as the ninja. It felt aggresive but still comfortable enough for aggresive or relaxing riding. So yeah, for me it is the best motorcycle for me.
Keep up the good work guys 😊
I loved these comparisons ..
I bought a duke 390 as my first ever bike a few months ago and I absolutely adore it more than I expected. Its my daily and I bring it to the track too. That said, its got some issues. Intermittently stalls when rev matching, banjo bolt for the front caliper was loose, and I can't do more than a 10 minute session on track due to the vibration making my throttle hand numb. I wouldn't trade for any of its competitors though
I just got a Vitpilen 401. Glad to hear it's hot on the heals of the Duke. The Vit is the only naked bike available with clip ons. Clip ons on a naked makes a lot of sense yet no one does it but Husqvarna.
Also glad to hear something about the KTM/Husky reliability question. I want to own this bike for a second little canyon killer, but the reliability issues have always kept me away. Maintenance is one thing, fixing broken crap all the time is another. Well done guys.
11000 miles in absolutely no reliability issues with my Duke 390
Stay away from KTMs and get a Japanese bike. Saves you time and money.
I really don't understand what is the issue with Americans blowing up Duke 390s.
Here in India in the sweltering tropical climate, it is considered pretty good in terms of reliability. We also have Japanese offerrings
No one ever confesses to thrashing their bike when cold, running it with low oil or popping wheelies all the time. You can wreck anything if you try hard enough and KTM 390’s do tend to attract idiots.
I currently ride a Z400 (after owning a ZX-14 and ZRX-1200 before that) and you nailed the review, so enough said. Love the bike! Question though--why have manufacturers started chopping off the back end of their motorcycles as Husky (and Triumph)? It seems there needs to be a 'tail adder' for these bikes to put back the normal rear fender and tail light. JMO though...great review!
European regulations that dictate maximum height of rear fender (to stop road spray). The manufacturers ‘solved it’ by putting the additional low fender on their bikes and made them much uglier. A ‘Tail tidy’ theoretically fixes it except your back gets soaked if you ride in the rain.
After riding my Z300 for 3 years I definitely agree to the balls busting features of the Z400. But! The engine is reliable af, and that's alright to me.
Put some foam or gel in to level it up and that's it.
I imagine it's similar to my Z650. The seat slants forward way too much. Shame as otherwise it's overall a pretty great bike.
I bought 390 Duke back in 2018, 2017 model, I sold it with 14000 miles, it was really good first motorcycle. Last two years i have 790 Duke, and that bike is a blast.
About that service, KTM makes one of the most powerful and advanced motorcycles, and with more power goes down reliability a bit. And many motorcycles ends their life destroyed by owners who cant service them properly.
Can you guys do something on the Honda NC-750X? Love your content.
As someone whose been riding for 13 years now, everyone calls these beginner bike but I have a ton of fun on bikes this size, they're great for riding back roads and get great mileage. All of these are way faster than the ninja 250 I started with.
can I cruise on yamaha mt-03 on hwy about 70mph? or it's too much for that bike?
@@Voltomess easily. You could probably hit 100 to 110 top out. May just be pushed a little by wind. But not bad. I used to on a ninja 250 regularly
@@dirtsailoroff-road5580 would you recommend this bike as a first bike to learn?
@@Voltomess absolutely. I would get a bike with ABS for a learner definitely
I put 10 000 miles on my Husqvarna Svartpilen so far and I had no issues whatsoever with it. I just love riding this thing.
Your shootouts are great! What about a middleweight travel bikes shootout with Tracer 7, Versys 650, Tiger 660, NC750, Vstrom 650...
I started with a 2021 Duke 390, what a great experience and I do miss the bike. Upgraded to a gen 3 MT-09 but will get a KTM in the future for sure. Maybe the 890 GP
the bmw is just not suited for american roads ( smooth, high speed and not much traffic ). here where im living is different story. our roads are bad, lots of broken asphalt, potholes and congested. combining ergonomics and plush ride really gives the bmw edges over other bikes. while other riders complaining about sore hands and bottom, some overheats ,the bmw just cruise along comfortably. the 310r was born in India which is not very different to where im living so .... it is really feels at home. everything about it is right. enough power, smooth trottle, smooth brake, no heat coming out from engine, plush ride and very good ergonomics. I had duke 250 and MT25 before and i have to say the 310r is far more comfortable. power wise ? its enough as we dont go over 100 kmh, the roads wouldnt allow us to do so because either traffic is so bad or the road is so bad
I love my Svartpilen 401 so far, but I only have 640ish miles . Perfect re-entry machine for 40 years away from my last ride.
I got my first motorcycle 4-5 months ago I got the Kawasaki z400 never ridden a motorcycle before and it’s been good to learn already have 1,700 miles on it
Great video guys.
Do an all lightweight sport bike comparison next 🙏🏻
Will we be seeing a Sport Touring shootout this year? I’d really be interested to see how the new Suzuki GSX 1000GT stacks up against the competition!! Especially because I intend to get a sport touring bike next year so I’d like to know what to aim for although I am a huge Suzuki fan.
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Same. I love sportbikes but wouldn't mind having a ST as a 2nd or 3rd bike. Kinda interested in the new Suzuki but rented a VStrom 1050 recently and loved it. Also interested in the Duke 1290 GT but not interested in the maintenance costs.
I had a ST before and thought it was so uncomfortable. It was a Kawasaki Ninja 1000 ABS. I loved it for the torque and HP but the seat was so terrible...
Even the aftermarket seats sucked.
I'm really looking forward to the Suzuki 1000 GT. I'm definitely checking it out at the dealer as soon as I can.
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No one ever talks about headlights and instrument visibility at night. I used to commute before dawn and sometimes after dark in the evening. Headlights are a HUGE safety concern. Don't you guys ever ride at night?
Come on John Burns. I like your professionalism, humor and no BS opinions. You know how important this is. Make it happen.
We do suck at that, you're right.
@@johnburns8956 To be fair, it's not just you. No one, not even Michael Neeves talks about it.
@@johnburns8956 lmao
Before I bought my Duke 390 I read somewhere that the headlight was impressive and I agree, it works very well.
I own a 2018 duke 390 and love it! Amazing first bike! I upgraded to a husqvarnna 701 svartpilen and love that too lol
Bought a 2019 KTM 390 Duke brand new. Rode it for around 2,500 miles before selling and the only 'problem' I ever had was needing to adjust the clutch cable. So essentially trouble free.
Rang the bikes neck out almost daily on my 22 mile commute and she never let me down.
Why did you sell it if it was so good? Not having issues isn't a bonus attribute it's a normal expectation from every new vehicle.
@@robertp457 Wanted to keep for a track bike, but not the right type of chassis for that. Already have a CB1000R so having another naked even if small displacement didn't make fiscal sense.
2500 miles isn't considered a test of a bike's longevity
Yeah, that really makes me want to go buy a used one. Lol.
Why didn't they include Honda in this test?
Been riding the Husqvarna Svartpilen and the KTM Duke back to back ❤️ Feeling so lucky
Can you do a shootout for the 2021 Lighweight Sportsbikes?
Thanks a lot! But beginner's bike ??? How about old-timer's bike ??? At 75--year-young &1m70, I'm riding in the Tropics & every day, a 192 kg Yamaha 2010 MT03/660cc. Today, I think that, if I'm still in shape when I hit 80, I wouldn't mind downgrading to a 168 Kg Yam MT03/321cc or a 164 kg BMW G310R which also have lower seat heights of 780 & 785 mm. I don't need a fast bike since I'm mainly riding in town anyway :)
Where was the Honda CB300R?
Isn’t that the 2020 390 Duke? The exhaust isn’t under the bike. I have the 2021 and it also has an optional quick-shifter. I love it.
duke390 seems like not a beginner bike. I push it extremely in the corner and it never make me nervous. I love it.
So proud to say, two of these bikes are made in India...(KTM & BMW)
They keep that a secret in some places
Why?
Is the KTM Duke 390 popular in India? The reason I ask is because Americans don't seem to trust the reliability of the Duke 390. Also, the engine seems like it would be very hard to work on, as access is blocked by the trellis frame. Do Indian people worry about these issues?
@@BEEBEE159 It's super popular here... people are crazy about Duke 390, because the cost is also very less.. and very reliable engine...
@@shravanramakrishna7052 Thank you for the reply.
401 Svartpilen owner-the review is correct. That "dash" is 100% garbage. It seems to catch all the sunlight. At speed the bike does feel unsettled. However, it's a joy on twisty roads. I live surrounded by dirt and gravel roads. The Husky was always my only option.
Not an expert, but ,,dirtbikes" like the drz400 or klr650 / dr650 seem pretty good all-terrain bikes.
I'm just taking dirty roads to get to paved mountain roads. That's where the fun is for me. I've ridden a KLR it wasn't bad on pavement. But, the svart is giggle inducing and wildly impractical. As middle-aged purchases should be.
Question out of almost all these bike there makers also make ADV/tourer version with the same basic engine & chassis so would you one of these or the ADV/tourer version for ergonomics and liveability?
I wished you guys would have also included the Honda CB500F because it sits in between the 300ish class and the larger 650ish class of bikes. Would be interesting to see how it would compare to the already mentioned bikes.
Next year perhaps? 😉
CB500F too heavy.
@@andikaandrianto2803 I agree that it is heavier than ideal for a beginner, but it is A2 compliant and is therefore almost by definition a part of the class. I'm not gonna be hard on the MO crew over it though. They already did great getting that many bikes together. The beginner bike class has grown so much. So many offerings now.
Waiting for this one
Nice roundup guys, well done.
Microphone pickup was a bit jarring sometimes so maybe something to improve. It was never bad but the differences were noticeable.
Thanks for the video guys
I bought a KTM duke 390 last week, there are not many options in India as svartpilen 401 and Kawasaki z400 are not available here, there is no doubt that the duke 390 is the best among these, the Indian BS6 variant of Duke has a silver metallic colour variant that looks even more dope. Thanks for this video, I enjoyed the scenery and very informative too, helmet and gears on happy riding...
What happened to the Honda CB300?? It’s literally the most obvious bike that should’ve been included with these other five. I’m guessing it would’ve ended up in first place…?
KTM 390 is awesome and it doesn't have any problems. I have 2 modified RC 390's (2016) and I rev upto 12,000 rpm. No issues and it's my daily ride.
Fun review. I started off with a buell blast 2 years ago and upgraded to a honda nc700x a few months ago. It's much more refined but I hate how heavy it is. I wanted something that was more comfortable on the expressway and the honda does that, but it just feels big to me. Is something like the KTM 390 good on the highway or is it screaming at 70 mph?
I have a 2017 Duke 390 I'm an older rider and it's pretty small compared to my other bikes a ZRX1200 and a BMW k12gt . It tops out at 110 and with a 6 spd cruising between 70 and 80 is pretty sweet! As for those who harped on head gasket reliability issues, this has been addressed by KTM and 2017 up bikes don't have this problem. With 11000 miles most of them driven like I stole it and normal oil maint. It shows no signs of any performance issues!
@@traveler390ktm5 Thanks!
so, two KTMs entered the shootout but no Honda?
8:37
'U can push it in ur garage, if ur lucky enough to have a garage'
Why u gotta do us like that man!😭😭
Good work keep going 👍🏻🥰
Wow.... great to see Tom make a cameo. Just need to see Duke every now and again. Where's Evans been? Miss seeing him onscreen.
Thanks for the kind words. I’m always there behind the scenes. On these big shootouts, I’m usually too busy shooting the photos to be in the video.
Nice review.
Wonder if any motorcycle makers will make a 400 with a 270 degree crank like the mt 07. It would help a smaller bike more than even the larger ones while not pushing peak horsepower up too high for euro rules
The tires on the Husky may have affected the dyno run and horsepower figures.
The svartpilen has a little less rake at the headset I believe that's what causes it to feel better on curvy roads
Even if it wasn't going to be the winner, I wish the Honda CB300R was included in this test. It's under powered but the weight cut for the current gen sounds to have made it more fun.
All of these bikes were on my list and the Z400 had to be remove because it stopped being sold in Europe for now. But I sat and tried all the other bikes and the BMW fit my body better, opposed to the husq and the ktm (as a short 161cm girl who is starting). I knew it wasn't the most powerful but with a end of summer deal and 5 year guarantee, I was and still am pleased with my choice 😅. I ride alone and commute with it too, so I guess that your review is accurate.
11k miles on a '17 KTM. Not missed a beat. Love it to bits still. Got rid of a 600 and a 1000 in the meantime
Looking at this I don’t understand how a mountain bike can be USD10k now…..
Thanx for review shout-out from Philippines.. I wish I have z400 that's my dream bike.. I dream all night about that bike..
I am buying a Svartpilen.... I need to run a few gravel and 2 track farm trails which is why I chose it over the vitpilen or duke390 and I cannot wait to get it. my riding experience to day is on dual sports and underpowered motardy-ish bikes.