2021 900ish Middleweight Nakeds Shootout
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- čas přidán 12. 08. 2021
- Don’t look now, but the field of naked bikes slotting in just below the 1000cc mark is starting to rise - and we’re all the better for it. Maybe the OEMs have figured out that those big beasts in the upper echelons of naked bike performance are just too much for the more sensible among us. They’re too big, too fast, too powerful, with too much electronics, and too much of a price tag. For those of us still with a desire for naked bike fun, but at a slightly more moderate pace, we bring you the assembly of motorcycling you see before you.
What you get from the BMW F900R, Ducati Monster, Kawasaki Z900, KTM 890 Duke, Triumph Street Triple R, and Yamaha MT-09 are six of the hottest bikes in the sub-1000cc category today, and a nice step up from the middleweights we recently tested. And before any Suzuki fanboys (or girls) grill us, yes, we extended an invitation for the GSX-S750. Unfortunately, one couldn’t be provided for us in time. In all honesty, its inclusion wouldn’t have made an impact on the overall winner, but we’re getting a bit ahead of ourselves.
All that's left to do now is shake these bikes out to see where they stand!
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The old man was on point on every aspect of the bikes characteristics and dynamics. The other two not so much.
@Pete how’d you know?
totally agree with you.
I have to agree 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽!
I agree, editor was too cocky and disrespectful, I don't believe A WORD from him,
Guy near ducati seemed to be in little conflict/dispute with guy who rated kawa third
That's only "if you're talking 'neck-eds'"
Otherwise false
I am so glad you brought the older fellow, no denying his age bracket is part of the purchasing demographics, but more importantly his experience level can rule out all of the ego testosterone BS of the younger fella’s and leave left what is good about riding a motorcycle. Do us all a favor and keep him in the further video reviews as well. Excellent video by the way
older?
@@johnburns8956 “more seasoned” or “higher level” perhaps.
Agreed, I appreciate the comments on Z900 being smooth as that's of HUGE importance to me for example. I'm too old for bikes with character. 🤣😂
@@dbauernf Huh!? What did you say? Speak louder Sonny, don't mumble.
(ding-dang kids these days.....)
@@johnburns8956 pay no attention to the whippersnapper 😀
I want to see the same test, but with the premium versions...MT-09SP, Monster+, Street Triple RS, & Duke R!
I agree. It would be interesting to see if the improvements are worth the premium price. I am not certain that I ride hard enough to notice the difference. Also, it is pretty sneaky for Yamaha to only offer cruise control on the SP.
Monster + is an accessory package that simply adds a fly screen and cowl… There is no “premium” (performance) version of the new Monster yet. I expect an S model will come next year. My suspicion is Ducati waited to release the new Monster S because they had an overstock of leftover 1200/1200S models to sell off and didn’t want to to hurt their ability to do that.
Otherwise, I agree… We’ve already seen the 890 Duke R vs 765 STriple RS head to head last year, but a re-do including the new MT-09 SP would be great.
The Duke 890R and MT09 SP gotta be pretty damn close. Can't go wrong with either bike, but I'd go Yamaha only because of better overall reliability and much closer dealer.
@@johnridesadv2512
My gf likes Yamaha a lot (she currently rides an R6), and went in preferring the looks of the MT-09 SP, but after riding both back to back, she came away a lot more excited by the 890 Duke R. That's a pretty good endorsement from somebody who was actively avoiding the Duke because she didn't want to match bikes with my Super Duke.
I've ridden both as well, and the KTM has a notably more fun personality. Also, the KTM gives you a MUCH better braking system versus the Yamaha.
Honestly, though, any of the three will be a riot on canyon roads and the track, and I'm excited to see an S version of the new Monster come along as well.
@@rjwz28 Damn. Hard to believe the engine in the Duke would be more exciting than Yamaha's triple with the quick shifter. My XSR900 is great, but if it had a quick shifter, wow wow wow. I will need to test ride both!
This feels like the kind of review that neatly illustrates why people shouldn't take professional reviews seriously. The Z900 got panned because it was "boring" but that's completely subjective. The BMW got panned too, but maybe a little more fairly, but it can be optioned up with stuff that's just not available on some other bikes. You've gotta ride the bike yourself and not just buy on a spec sheet.
I laughed so hard when John mentioned that the KTM looks like a power tool.
Now I can’t unsee black&decker power tools when I look at it 😂
😂😂😂 idk any other brand that actually sells tools too to work on your bike though
did i say power tool or gardening tool? I was thinking more weed whacker, or that headlight looks like a hedge trimmer. Great bike tho!
Funny cause true.
Home depot bike 😂
Great breakdown! i think there are a lot of readers that are searching for the intermediate priced best "bang for the buck" motorcycles. Well done.
#yamaha
Yes yes yes! R9 - we are waiting for this beast
Hell yeah
except it wont be a beast because it will weigh more than an MT09 and it wont have the bottom end to mid range that the MT09 has.
2025...
I waited more than 3 months for my MT09SP in Australia, finally received it yesterday, i was soo exited, i couldn't sleep the night before, i love the bike
Kawasaki is my pick
That hurt, I love my z900 until I listened to this. Nah, I still love it!
Unfortunately this channel loves everything I hate and hates everything I have loved. I have owned plenty of motorcycles and my opinion has always been opposite of theirs. I bought a Yamaha FJ-09 due to great reviews and it was the worse motorcycle ever and I owned a Honda VFR800 after and it was better even though it lost in the same comparison video. I knew this video was going to swing in Yamahas favor before it even started.
Mickey Mouse is something chose not to listen too. I am wondering how this grown child has been put in the position he is in.
The z900 is my favorite here!
@@zack8819 They are probably the worst motorcycle reviewer's on youtube to be honest. Just messy all over the place journalism
Two of the guys had negative reviews about the ergonomics, but one said they were great. Body types are different so they should not have made ergonomics the basis of their review. It seemed like that was their only complaint, as long as you feel comfortable then it's a great bike.
Incredible line up... the hosts the different preferences they have really gave a good review!
I got one here in U.S.A.... a 2021 MT-09 SP. I actually flew to another state to get it and road it back. It is an AMAZING bike! I love rhe cruise control, and the Ohlins suspension is excellent. I broke it in right, going through all the gears, up and down, and did an oil change at 600 miles. The bike is fantastic!
I own a 765RS 2019 but I was literally rooting for the yamaha. They blew this upgrade out of the park, listening to all the feedback over the years.
I Havnt even watched it yet but I know it’s going to be epic. Been waiting all year for this review.
Same dude anything made by Troy is GOLD!!! Coming from the uk 🇬🇧 id absolutely love to go ride with these dude’s and make a review .
@@adamstratford6740 My dude! Thanks as always!
@@TroySiahaan you’re welcome bro 👍🏻👍🏻
Z900 wins for most of us...most VFM...and Japanese so reliable and cheap to maintain, more power ...soo
Amazing review, exactly what I’m looking for!
Yep Kawasaki is definitely being unfairly treated here
You know this is true when you hear "it lacks character"...
Yeah, they can't find words to why it's bad? 😑
I thought that was very dumb.
The senior Editor spoke on why it's very good and they responded with we don't remember it so it's bad.
Yeah, this is strange because in previous years it got first, and in many shootouts. I was surprised. I have a 2018, and I would not say it lacks character, I love the bike.
No character = works with no drama
I owned the 2017 model. level in terms of outright power and more torque pretty much everywhere than every other bike. Put a higher seat on it and it's way more comfortable with leg room. Engine is quiet but it might feel like it has more "soul" if you put a straight pipe on it. (slippons don't do much for sound). It is a fair bit cheaper than the other bikes too. (except BMW which is not even in the same class and should be compared with the middleweights in terms of power output). It isn't small and cramped at all if you get the higher seat. Can't compare it to the other bikes because I haven't ridden them but if the top 5 all had the same tyres the fastest bike would be the one with the best rider on it - meaning the difference in performance isn't that significant.
Thank you, guys. I am going to get a 2021 MT09. Stay safe and more power to you guys!
You won't regret it. I have an all black one, fucking love it
I just bought the 2022 MT09SP. Absolutely love it
Hey I love my z900, favorite bike I’ve owned 🤷♂️
I have one to. Great engine and fun to ride! Just tweak the suspension a bit and a set of Great tires thats it!
@@spokplumpen123 just put a full sc-project exhaust system under that thing and trust me she won’t be ‘boring’ anymore 😅
@@Ali-mf7cg thinking about exhaust and a ecu-flash. But i am getting old, dont like it to loud. But stock is to quiet..
@@spokplumpen123 stock just sounds too feminine, like a happy bumble bee. You can also put a slip on instead of full system. Just take the db killer out and it will sound alot deeper and meaner. I put a full system on it last month and it is very loud, but it just puts a smile on my face every time when i rev it hard☄️ 😩 it adds so much character to that kawi it almost makes it necessary in some way..
cope
I would call myself a senior rider, and gave a huge amount of weight to your review of these bikes. I would say I have pretty much to this point 99.9% dual sport experience, with the exception of riding a buddies gold wing. I ended up buying a used 3rd gen mt09sp. Thank you guys for helping me make the decision, it was between the mt09sp and the z900. Excellent video
I don't own any of these bikes but it's the first time I've seen someone bag on the z900. It's almost bizarre.
He must just be a Kawasaki hater.
Yeah it's a great all-rounder bike, maybe one would say 'average' at worst. Plenty of power and respectable handling. There's really nothing in particular that would make someone hate it other than just hating on Kawasaki's bike for no rational reason.
I don't own any of them.. yet.. preferences can be very subjective but I'm looking at getting the MT9 SP.. I know the 890R is the more focused machine but the Yam is close enough, more of an all rounder and I much prefer the MT09's engine note... looks :o, reliability and lower price.
I'll be sure to check out the Z900 though, sounds like the engine is a real peach too.
@@paulhope3401 i have the ‘21 z900, ecu flashed with a full titanium sc project.. nothing is boring or ‘average’ about this terminator trust me😄 the sound of the bike sounds waaay better then any 3 cilinder too lol. Not to mention thats it’s an eye catcher.
Yup. I agree with mine being a terminator as well. Got a 22 z900 se. Opened up that exhaust and put a dna filter. Ecu flash to come and it’s already a beast, turns plenty of heads. Also mine was 123 or 125 hp from the dealer. Never heard of this 108 situation.
The Z900 gives you exactly what you want when you want it. I recently tested it against the S1000R and walked away thinking I'd take the Z nine out of ten times.
That's impressive
Yamaha kills that Kawasaki in every category. Especially the SP.
@@michaeljohnson2922 nah the mt09 has the looks that only a mother can love.. its hideous.
@@michaeljohnson2922 no, it doesn’t. The Z900 is faster and has a higher top speed.
Andy L The BMW S 1000 R is a fantastic bike .. I have not had the pleasure of riding a Z900 but given that I believe the BMW is a better bike and better value than the Aprilia Tuono V4 and MT-10 ( both of which I’ve spent lots of time on ) I struggle to believe that the Z900 is superior to the S 1000 R .. however all bikes are very subjective .
I bought the z900 because of this video. It's my daily, I love it, its more than enough bike for me.
I go on 4 hour rides every other week. Its not until hour 3 start getting cramped. I'm 5'10" with long legs and longer arms.
Fantastic comparison video!
The Kawasaki Z900 is still good for its price
Couldn't agree more. And as one of the gentleman said, if you got the SP MT-09, it would have much better suspension and cruise control and still cost the same as the KTM. Great video guys!
Spot on - and very reliable indeed - as opposed to the KTM😉🏁🏁
Great balanced video as always. Keep doing what you’re doing
Great line-up fellas!
I dreamt about this comparo video for months, we are going thru an outstanding time in the motorcycle industry, some of the products coming out now got a remarkable upgrade compared to their previous model changes, from electronics to chasis to suspension, engine ….. A really difficult time to decide what motorcycle to get from those in the market!!!
Literally right as I'm debating picking up one of these bikes and wishing for a comparo with the new monster... Motorcycle comes through! Thanks guys!
Bought the new monster 2 weeks ago, funniest bike I’ve ever owned or ridden!!! Seriously if you’re pondering one GET IT😎
@@num1sooner Hows the heat on your thigh like they mentioned in the video?
John is the best. Lol I really value his opinion and tend to lean towards his viewpoints on what issues are important.
Such good information. Thank you for the breakdown.
I like the new Ducati! Change is good!
They say the z900 has no character, but it looks similar to the others. Its way better looking then the street triple.
Character is about the engine, not the looks. It’s an i4 which are generally a bit boring, not as exciting when just pulling back on the throttle…just a bit too smooth.
@@andrewwillcox5252 traditional character is only about the looks and style. Thats why Harleys are considered the bikes with the highest character even though they are easily beaten on performance.
@@mcmcmorris yeah that’s not the character I’ve ever hear anyone ever talk about. In England I have never heard a Harley called anything but a bit shit, to be completely honest.
@Andrew Willcox British, that makes a lot of sense.
I glad someone was thinking about the bikes from a daily ride through traffic and town perspective.
Great commentary guys-no bullshit and nice relaxed delivery. I loved the riding footage too. Great roads for riding. I’d love to ride in some of those tunnels. Keep up the good work.
Love the tests you guys do! I'd like to offer an idea for future videos if I may: you should continue to do these Shoutout tests with experienced riders, but also do the exact same test again with novice riders - riders with a few years of riding experience only and with limited knowledge - and get their feedback. Rather than "find" the best bike, as that can be subjective in many cases, give information to viewers to make the purchasing process less difficult. Most riders are not well informed like you guys, and getting feedback from less experienced riders would offer even more information for serious buyers. Thanks again for the videos!
I love the smoothness of the z900 engine. All the power and it feels silky. Great bang for your buck
Glad you guys like my bike. Mt09 is sooooooooo dope. I love it and will keep it till she blows.
When I'm truly shopping for a bike, I for sure read all the written articles and reviews. When I'm at work and I just want to hear motorcycles piped into my ears, I only do youtube reviews. :D
The Triumph Street Triple would be my pick. It ranks low in this class because it simply doesn't belong in this class… a 765cc triple has no business competing with 900cc bikes. But then again you buy a street triple not because it's a good 900cc bike, you buy it because it's a street triple.
none of them is a bad pick if its for the right reasons .. certainly not however just because its a street triple
IMO you should buy it cause it excites you when you ride it or when you look at it or cause it suits your "needs" etc .. not only the street triple but any bike.
Also, either you like it or not it competes with the 800-900 cc bikes, because that is the category Triumph put it in (middle class naked)
Displacement increased already from 675 a couple of years back, in a try to remain competitive as EU regulations on emissions where becoming tighter...My guess is that they could be increasing the displacement again (as they did it with speed triple).
For what is worth, if i was buying a street triple, the latest SP would be the only model i would be considering, otherwise if you follow the "because its a street triple" approach, buy an older 675 one and save yourself lots of $'s for upgrades
@@avrc9285 i think the lower spec one is deffinitly not the one to get the street triple rs is the one to get with its ohlins shock perfromance brembo and autoblip quickshifter suits the bike better when you strip the street triple of its bling there really no point in paying more for the bike then say a z900/mt09 bikes.
It makes the most power of the bunch! It's biggest downfall is it's relatively low torque specs, as they mentioned. They also say nothing about finish of the motorcycles. A Triumph has an overall nicer "feel" than a Yamaha and it's reflected in the price. Plus the Yamaha makes barely any more torque with a much larger motor
I understand the reason, it's a street triple
And I think it can compete these 900 cc easily, cos of how it's rides, it's really light, steering so sharp and the engine is so smooth and the intake sound is fantastic
And on the road you don't need the power and you don't need the tork, cos you use mostly a fraction and because you ride mostly with higher rev, the power and tork of the 3 cylinder engine makes it really smooth
And for tork you use the speed triple, but a street triple rides better
@@Ghutton505 I'm surprised by the way they just glossed over everything but their emotional review of peak performance. Fit & finish completely unmentioned, brakes glossed over and not taken into serious consideration, likewise for suspension, electronics packages thought of as 'Yes or No' questions rather than comparing their performance, switchgear and instrumentation treated as somehow frivolous or unnecessary, ergonomics described arbitrarily rather than comparatively, and optional equipment never discussed. The MT-09 has an exciting power plant for sure, but it doesnt seem to outshine the others in any other way.
Kawasaki z900 ❤️❤️❤️😍
Great insights!
Fantastic review boys 👌🏻🙂
Wowzer, these dudes really hating on the Z900 !
Bougth a Z900 (2017), in 2018, best bike for me. 69.000 km so far, no prob at all. Like the KTM 890 Duke, maybe thats my next bike.
Agreed
Coz it's not the updated version with TFT dash and all led. They are using the previous generation
but somebody said something nice about it, he said it has a "smooth engine"
I have the 2017 no driver aids. Just you and the bike, just like it should be.
The Kawi is more powerful, less expensive, and will spend less time in the shop than the others.
But you only get its peak power on high rpms, which is not usually manageable between two red lights or very twisty roads
@@marcelltoth1302 the z900 has an ideally flat torque curve. Everyone who reviews it lauds the engine for being able to be in third or even fourth gear all the time on twisty roads.
These all sound like great features of your daily driver car... I want my motorcycle to excite the soul, even if from time to time it has an issue.
I also don't know how often you think European bikes spend in the shop. In the 12,000 miles I have put on my Aprilia it had a radiator hose start to leak a little and I had to replace a starter solenoid which was getting finicky; of note, the solenoid was made my Hitachi and not some obscure Italian supplier... If that is the penalty I have to pay over the much less interesting/lustful Z1000 then so be it...
@@ColoradoS14 what features are you referring to?
My post was not intended to bash on euro bikes, but reliability is something that needs to be considered when selecting a bike.
@@ColoradoS14 the Z900 will excite your soul, belive me, i know what i'm sayinng!
Well, this is it. You absolutely motivated me even more to buy my dream bike. 09 baby!
I'm glad I picked up a naked as my first bike but I'm ready for some wind protection 😌
Sometimes an inexpensive bar-mounted windscreen can make a big difference. Just be aware that a 'universal" one may need a little bit of trimming to fit around the headlight and turnsignals.
I keep hearing reliability issues with KTM and problems with transmissions and then with the Ducatis it's heat, which is glossed over with the scrambler too. But these guys prefer these kind of bikes to the ones that just work, which might be okay for them because they test a bike and then it's on to the next one. So bike testing becomes more of a show-pony event than a consideration of what might be best for someone who buys a bike and rides it everyday for 4 or 5 years. The reviews are entertaining though, just not that relevant unless you've got 4 bikes in the shed and can pick one to ride depending on your mood
My 2018 z900 is the best bike I’ve ever owned
How many bikes have you owned?
@@mrzeke4413 cbr 400, sv650, Honda shadow 1100, klx 230, r6 and now my z900
@@elianderson3956 no chaaaneeese scooter?!
@@Dranreb865 shit lmao I did have a shitty Tao tao 125 cc dirt bike🤣
I ride 790 duke. Oh my, what a bike. love it. I love the looks of z900. Probably need to ride one to feel the difference.
Very nice video guys!
For $9399 you get a 6-axis IMU, quick shifter up/down, TFT display, 417 lbs wet weight, torquey/great sounding triple engine, radial master cylinder and more. All wrapped up with Japanese quality and reliability.
Nothing can top the MT-09 for the price. I know the headlight is pretty polarizing but don't have to worry about how it looks when you're riding and it's a great headlight for actual light output.
And terrible, pogo-stick-like suspension in the MT09. Also, I think you mean radial calipers, not master cylinder… typical of cheap Yamahas, stellar engine wrapped in a crappy chassis
@@sleeper.simulant7327 aw where did Yamaha hurt you? you’re free to change the suspension. You’ll probably still be under the price of the triumph.
Middlweight Adv Sport Tourer's next please!! Finally Shootouts are back!!
Great work!
Talk about torque curve, the KAWI Trumps all!
"The word 'agricultural' just kept popping up in my head."
😂😂😂 brutal
Z900 is deceptive "sleeper" and best bike if you like smooth and fast with long range. Like 20:10 praise the lowdown torgue of Ducati. But 16:49 shows the truth its down by alot vs Kawasaki. 1.MT-09(SP), 2.Z900, 3.Triumph, 4.KTM, 5.Ducati, 6. BMW
Sadly, a smooth torque curve is now seen as "boring" by many (like some of the testers). A bump in the torque curve that causes a sudden increase in power is often viewed as providing "character," even if it results in slower overall acceleration.
@@jfess1911 Z900 motor is the winnah here, tied for most torque and for most horsepower too, at only 9600 rpm... alas...
The Z900, the missionary position of this shoot out 😆. Glad I have the gen2 mt09sp.
First time watching you guys, impressive video. I'm in the market for a mid range motorcycle and the Yamaha MT09 is now at the top of the list. Greetings for Victoria, Australia.
Not really sure how the Z900 is suddenly at the bottom here. A bit harsh. Same guys gave it tops a few years ago.
It hasn't had much in the way of updates in a while, but it's still a great bike.
Look at the updates on the Yamaha and KTM from a couple years ago. I love Kawasaki, but they need to keep up in this sector.
The most current Z900 is much better in terms of tech per $ spent. Plus it’s faster then the MT09
@@adamk116 i have a z900, the last thing thats on my mind when i ride are all these electronics lol..
These guys don't knowt what they saying about the Z900 (only the older one knows)!
You are absolutely right,I own my 2019 z900 for 6 months now and what a great bike it is.Having owned Yamaha,Triumph and Moto Guzzi I think it's fair to say nothing beats the price/quality on this bike.The only few things that bother me are solved on the updated model,so I think after the summer I will be ordering a new one 😅
Well done!
It's funny how the z900 is the faster better bike but the other guys just won't admit it. Plus the z900 SE is even better.
2021 MT09 is a fantastic midweight, but I really don't like the design. Duke 890 is my top pick.
So Ive not even finished watching the video and Troy is already bashing the BMW F900R whilst he preferred it over the Kawasaki Z900 in the 1v1 comparison video on this channel? How does this make sense?
I have had the opportunity to ride 4 of the six bikes tested here. I personally feel you guys were mostly on the money in your evaluation and fair. Each of these bikes are focused to either track, sport and some track or lower price daily riders intended for brand loyal/ first time buyers. The winner MT09 is unusual in that it isn’t an over priced exotic or a track focus primarily bike. I finally bought a 2022 MT09 and have found it to be the best in many ways. Price for what you get in a motorcycle makes the MT09 winner. Then you find on track it will stay with the big dollar exotics with non pro riders on board. I find it works perfectly as a commuter/ even in town. It does a fair job as a sport touring motorcycle because of riding position. What you wind up with in a MT09 is a very good do everything bike at a fair price point. I might mention after market support is excellent for whatever mods you wish to tailor your MT09 to do. The looks will grow on you!!
Great content!
i want to see some drag race just to have an idea how each of them compares.
Interesting that each reviewer has very different opinions on each bike. There isn’t a best bike here, this just shows that the key thing is try the bikes yourself to pick the best bike for you as a rider (not the best bike for a random journalist rider and their needs). However, I still really enjoyed this review!
Great review this is my favorite class of bikes have owned several and love them all the most fun I've ever had has been on the yamaha it's a hooligan machine only 😀
Im here for the z900. Like to see a mature tester who isn't about being a "racer" 24/7. Sensible and brings a wealth of real world experience.
Z900 loses everytime on Real world against the 09 or 890.
@@PetSounds38 how do you gauge that? Based on?
@@nabahmadi5012 on real life.
What makes the BMW a worthwhile choice is the available options (for those who don't mind spending more). Keyless ride, quick shifter, cruise control, factory heated grips, electronically adjustable rear suspension, cornering headlight, self-cancelling turn signals, factory pannier mounts, 3 optional seat heights, 2 optional suspension heights, integrated turn-by-turn navigation, in-helmet comms unit integration, connected app that records lean angle at every corner, and maps out each use of ABS or traction control. If you don't like tech or won't use the features it's definitely the wrong choice, if you want the pinnacle of performance it's the wrong choice, and if you want the cheapest way to have fun on two wheels, its the wrong choice. If you want an all-around enjoyable motorcycling experience, it does outcompete most of this field when specced properly.
Where I come from they only import the full speced version as described. Puts the price way up into the CB1000R and MT10 range, where frankly it does not compete, despite the tricky electronic everything...
@@paulconnell1309 I think there's a reason BMW goes with "roadster" rather than "naked sport" for the F900R, it's built for a slightly different purpose. For me, I'm glad I'm not on an MT-10, as it frankly does not compete, despite the R1 motor. The CB1000R is much nicer than any MT, still a different mix of priorities, they all have their pros and cons.
@@PMitchell106 Agree. I am not sure I need 145 bhp to get to meetings around the city....
The FZ-09's headlight looks like the TNG phaser emitter.
Old fellow had the best take on all these bikes.
2022 mt-09 and I love everything about it..
I have a BMW for a year now. And I love bikes. The way it looks, sound and power delivery is adequate for me. I guess in the end it all comes to personal preference and requirements.
Most of the reviews I see are mostly focused on speed and horse power. I believe bikes are more than that. It all count what particular person want and what are there requirements and experience are.
All things matter The way bike looks, the sitting, comfortable, handling, built quality, safety features and so on and all these work differently for different people. Having 10-15 bhp less or more doesn't make the bike bad or better.
Plus if numbers are higher but you are getting those power at 9000 rpm whats the point for that power in city ride.
Also in another comparison between Z900 and F900R one of the journalists praised the F900R and took the F900R over the Z900.
So reviews are a good reference and getting better understanding and knowing what is out there. But you have to test ride the bike before making the decision. You may go for the z900 test Ride and after that you don't want to try anything because it is giving everything you were looking for. It happened to me with Suzuki Gladius. I had a test ride book for Ducati Monster but I didn't bother to go after testing Gladius. And one time I just went with my gut feeling for the z800 no test ride no reviews just bought the bike.
Bro stop trying to convince yourself the bmw sucks. Having 10-15 bhp yes its true doesnt mean alot but its an important factor and more is always better. U writing this comment makes u look like a butt hurt bmw bitch
I did ride triple rs, mt 09, z900. I liked the suspension triple rs, but I understood the price was too high. I liked the design mt09 and quickshiftter, but I wouldn’t say I liked the traction control and response of high rpm. I felt much safer at z900 in high rpm and stable response, but z900 has no quick shifter. I bought Z900, and I installed the quickshiftter.
In my opinion, price, stability, reliability, Z900 is better, but all bikes are fantastic.
Was it tough installing said qs? And what one did you get? I got the 22’ z900 and I love it
@@578_ I installed healtech. You can do by yourself, it is easy, you can watch videos on CZcams showing how to install it. I am so happy with my z900 and quickshiftter. Because I do understand that the traction control is perfect
@@woodworking4459 ok cool thanks again man! Yea me too love the z9!
You bought the most boring bike lol
@@DB-sd3cw unfortunately I’m not a millionaire and it’s the best bang for my buck after buying a house for 150k. I can go 150mph for 10k I’ll take it
I love the Yamaha and KTM, and I don’t love the look of either. 2022 XSR900 for me. Best look and longer stance than the MT09 Sibling. The perfect bike.
Awesome review guys, thanks for your service!
Had the BMW for over a year now.
It's just been an incredible ownership experience for me.
Out of the box, the quick shifter was rubbish, but with some K's on the clock and an SC Project pipe, it's buttery smooth.
The Yamaha is exciting, but (at least the old one) felt half finished.
The Kawasaki was great, but just too small for me.
The previous model Monster felt like a tractor. And service costs are insane.
The Triumph is great but expensive and dated looking.
The KTM is just constant hard work to ride slowly.
Also, the general ownership of a BMW is in another league with cheap servicing, long warranty and a bunch of other perks.
So get the new Yamaha.!
Could you elaborate on that BMW cheap servicing please?
Nothing cheap about servicing a bmw lmao
Super validating as a 2021 MT-09 owner. Everything about it feels amazing.
Doesn't feel too powerful?
A lot of other reviewers really like the BMW so I think Motorcycle reviewers are like movie critics. In other words each to their own tastes.
Great video.
Funny thing is an R9 wouldve made a lot more sense as an R6 replacement than the R7 did too
Dont get how with so much more power the kwack is forget able, it smokes the bmw,triumph,mt i love it
They was wrong on the horsepower the 21 model z900 has 125bhp
@@elvisthewart670 They are quoting measured rear-wheel horsepower, not manufacturer spec crank horsepower. They should be more explicit about this in their presentation, the rest of their comments are a bit too sloppy to take their pseudo-objective ranking seriously.
A channel on CZcams called full gas has videos of a Z900 gapping all kinds of things through a quarter including an MT 10. It even pulled on a Duke 1290 R until wind made the power difference apparent at around 100mph and the duke passed it.
There is a lot more to a motorcycle than power
I love my 2021 Z900!
Tq for keep doing these shoot out...
Man, when counting down bikes based on the spec sheet, make sure you got the spec sheets right.
Great test guys.... and you seemed to rank them sorta the way I envisioned these bikes. Love that KTM, but I think I'd pick the Yamaha overall myself. Have an XSR900 and the triple is gotta be one of the best engines on the market. I'm really leaning towards ordering an MT09 SP, but I've heard from my local dealer it could be early next year before I get one.
Yes its a long wait. I got extremely lucky and found one that the dealer i called wasn’t even aware they had just received at their warehouse so of course that meant i was the first to inquire about it and it was mine! I legit had soooo many windows open on my computer everyday and just kept refreshing nonstop til it showed and I immediately called! With that said, definitely get one i love mine!!
I think I'm going to hold onto my current XSR900 untill I can buy an xsr900sp here in the states.
I am waiting for my 2021 MT09...Look Great Like A GUNDAM MECHA
Who cares which is better? It's not about the bike, but the trip. As long as your ride is in good mechanical condition and you've got a interesting road trip ahead, you got everything you need to have a great time.
That was a pretty comprehensive test of the bikes. When I read the reviews on your website, I'll expect to see affordablility: insurance and servicing costs - which, in the UK, vary a lot and reliability. Which, with a KTM on one side and Kawa and Yam on the other (good side) will be all the things that potential buyers need to know. I'm so tempted to get the MT. Fortunately, there are none around at the moment.
I sort of feel bad for John, he looked so hurt that the guys not only didn't agree with him about the Kawi they down right did a segment on why John is wrong lol.
No denying which of these bags you choose if you have a good local dealer, that is the clear choice
Thank you for great rewiev
Very nice vid & review, although if I'm being (unfairly) super picky, I was hoping for an MV Agusta Brutale or Dragster Rosso (to keep the price vaguely comparable) as a wildcard.
MV couldn’t provide us with a bike.
@@EvansBrasfieldMotojournalist That doesn't surprise me at all lol. Thanks for the reply. Appreciate it.
Wait, what? my Z900 has 126 hp stock :)).....probably we have better fuel or something is wrong. I find that the Z900 is the limmo of the bunch, if you set it up decent enough, it's so smooth.
They said 108 up, all wrong brother, we have 126!💪🏼
Good day gentlemans. I know the comparison was a year ago,
but i notice that the BMW F900R only has 85 bhp instead of 105 bhp.
I just read the test, my apologize.
But, how come the bike only has 85 bhp, because in Europe outside the A2 driving license, it normally has 105 bhp??
I just bought a new bike this year, but will definitely buy another if Yamaha makes an R9