The Controversy of Super Paper Mario | Nintendrew
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- In this video, we'll be taking a look at the history of the Paper Mario franchise to see exactly why Super Paper Mario has been both celebrated and loathed by series fans for more than a decade. Thanks for watching!
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Super Paper Mario gang RISE UP!
This is our time now!
ConnerTheWaffle didn’t expect to see u here ur a cool youtuber!
Sorry, nope
Here
Let us shine
Btw who here noticed that so many of the comments on this video are from like 7 minutes ago?
“We didn’t love Paper Mario Because it was paper, we loved it because it was Mario’s Story”
-Arlo 2016
Well said.
It's almost like it's a Super Mario RPG or something...
@Isaak van Dijk, MD Samus Story when
Ehhh used to love Arlo... now he just bitch an whine like nonstop.
@@alifaras693 can you blame him, he's in quarantine over the last few months.
Drew: "a deep story, with plenty of witty dialogue."
Gameplay: "CHUNKS AWAAAY" [blasts off on a cloud of farts]
Typically the best moment ever
wario's got competition
- Chuggaconroy
I was thinking the exact same thing
Also game: dimentio and count bleck.
@@Tiny30000 BOWSERS ARMS!!!!
This is the only video game i actually cried on. The ending shot of Count bleck and tippani on that hill always gets me. This is one of my favorite games.
I agree, I had to pull out all the stops to prevent myself from crying and getting weird looks from my parents
Cry on*
Same except this and Mario galaxy
The villains are the one area where this game most definitely outshines its big brother TTYD. The X-nauts are a superior villain to Bowser and his minions for purposes of an RPG, but they're never sympathetic like Bleck or Mimi or O'Chunks eventually become.
For me it's not the only one but it definitely was the first one
Paper Mario 1 and 2, and Super Paper Mario: Captain Crunch with Toads!
Sticker Star: *Oops! Only Toads!*
Gameboy-Steve Gaming That makes PM:TTYD the Peanut Butter Crunch of Paper Mario. I approve.
Super Paper Mario only has one Toad though.
Btw, it’s “Oops! All Toads”
Not even unique toads. Just your average generic red toad. Don't worry, in Color Splash we've added something totally original... Multicolor toads! Some of them might even be wearing a different outfit... How truly unexpected.
This comment was so truly unexpected and humorous, of course due to it being a reference to a cereal using the character inclusions (or lack there of in Sticker Star) in Paper Mario games. It is also very clever as well as makes sense in the context of what you're talking about. Definitely gave me a great chuckle and made my day. Good job.
I will defend SPM till the end. It is a game I hold close to my heart. It’s great to see this game getting more love
Tbh I had no idea that it was supposed to be a "bad" game until I've seen so many videos claiming that it wasn't a bad game... super paper mario is a masterpiece that I need to replay sometime. It was so dark and surreal and it was awesome. It was a bit harder to play as I haven't understood English back then, well I still don't, but yea. It's amazing. 😂
@@Pavlinka__ Me too, i am brasilian and iy was pretty hard play without understanding nothing, but i managed to ga to 7 world!
Actually i beated the game and see how beatifully amazing it is
Hell yes, it's an awesome game
I think it's ok. I was a little young during it so I didnt really understand the physics. So the game after is was my "first" paper mario game that I understood. And I will always defend the best paper mario, paper mario sticker star
yeah it's pretty good,I consider it the zelda ii to Paper Mario and ttyd's zelda i
"If Super Paper Mario was released first.." For me, I played Super Paper Mario first and it was always *that game* I begged my parents to get me. When I finally got it, it was the most astounding work of art I had ever seen. Eventually I did play the first two in the series, but they never really struck with me as much as Super Paper Mario did.
same, i keep thinking about it
Same
@@violetaroo1 you guys wouldn't really understand...
DenSinComprehend what are you implying?
@@densincomprehend8879 It’s not that they wouldn’t understand, it’s that they have a different opinion. You don’t have to like SPM, but what do you expect in a video about SPM? Of course SPM fans. Just let them be. There’s nothing wrong with liking it better just like there’s nothing wrong with you liking the other games better.
Why I think Super Paper Mario is the best in the Paper Mario series:
- That Story, goddamn.
- 4 Playable characters
- Luigi being a badass villain
- The Music
- The gameplay. Yeah I said it. The perfect mix between RPG and Platforming.
i know, the green thunder was a really cool villan
Honestly super paper mario was my childhood and i completely agree!
I think you might be mistaken, luigi isn't a villain, you might have him mixed up with mr L, common mistake
Cteev nice woooosh bait.
I.. 100% agree with you this is my fav game of all time I just adore it.
Huh, I had no idea Super Paper Mario was so polarizing, it was my favorite Paper Mario game by far.
@Pen Bashiro, MD I still think it is - i'd say it's community reception is generally good nowadays yes but not that good (maybe 7/10?) - whereas, i truly do feel personally and nonpersonally that super paper mario is a beautifully made game that holds up near perfectly, and no other game has ever been or may ever be quite like it (8-9/10)
@Pen Bashiro, MD Yes it's not extremely rare to love spm, but you still gotta appreciate that there remain a fairly large percentage of people who've played it who still either don't like it or like it only slightly-moderately.
@Pen Bashiro, MD not really, vast majority of pm64 players from my experience like it, myself included. plus if underrated is comparing it to how well made it is and how well it holds up, then, well, sure it was well made but admittedly it doesn't hold up that well today especially due to ttyd overtaking it in nearly every way. overall i'd still recommend it but i wouldn't call it anything phenomenal from a less personal standpoint
Pen Bashiro, MD no they didnt. rating is subjective not objective. theres no such thing as being truly underrated as theres no definitive rating something deserves. EVERYTHING is opinion when it comes to ratings.
i agree do much but ttyd is good
Paper Mario Wii honestly seems to be the last genuinely ambitious game in franchise in terms of story.
You could arguably drop the “in terms of story” portion from your statement and it would still be true
and maybe the first
@@SebastianTheGreat But... why?
@@SebastianTheGreat humm,no
Paper Mario Gamecube is the best imo but in terms of story the first one is the best.
The only reason people "hate" this game is probably because, like me, they expected more of the formula they came to love from the first 2 games.
And instead of seeing what more this game had to offer, they just labelled it as garbage.
It's like how sun butter sucks if you're expecting it to taste like peanut butter, but if you're expecting sunflower seeds it's good.
And I hate them for that.
SPM is very much in the same and comparable to the first 2 games.
The writing is topnotch.
The story is deep.
Plenty of characters.
I can go on, but the major difference is the gameplay.
@@stalesapmuffins363 mmm
More like if you took the Super from Super Mario and the Paper from paper Mario together.
the gameplay was overall weak and significantly less fun
I love the fact that almost 15 years later, this game is randomly getting more praise and recognition. We've been drowning in late blooming remixes/videos on it for the last few months or so lol.
Yasss
To be honest, I would've preferred if Sticker Star and Color Splash continued with Super Paper Mario gameplay instead of... Whatever they were trying to do
Because, even if it was different, it was fun
... i know who are you
I think Color Splash is ok, but for the mere fact that anything is better than Sticker Star.
ide prefer if SPM wasnt a platformer since when it came out the wii and the ds already had 2d mario platformers on them, I didnt need another i wanted JRPG comfort food witha hillarious story and likable characters that look like they belong in the mario universe. was it a bad game no was it a disappointment yes
Zebitas Martinex I didn’t like the world design, nor the generic NPCs, nor the pixils, and was inferior to it’s predecessors, but the PM magic was still there. I’d rather have a classic PM over SPM, but I’m not completely closed to a new entry based mainly on it, considering Switch made Nintendo Great Again
I personally liked paper mario sticker star. It was my first paper mario games I completed and the 2md paper mario game I played. I played from the 3rd one, to 5th. I personally dont see the problem with sticker star. I never really played attention to the story, and just had a blast with the levels. I see that sticker star had basically only toads, but I still think its the best paper mario game.
Capturing the footage for this video, I forgot most of the minor details of the game since I hadn't played it since I was a kid. Damn near cried at the ending, such a good game with a great narrative and solid characters.
Thank you for the help!
Come on dog this game is shit lol
@@Bacchus325 Are you seriously going to reply to every comment with that? Come on, man, grow up. Find something better to do in quarentine
T_Peg well if you hate spm then why are you here?
I wish Nathaniel mentioned something about the deep story in his SPM triggered video from almost a year ago, because I would be surprised if he didn't find the ending heartbreaking 😭
I bought Super Paper Mario by accident one year ago, thinking it was TYD. I still gave it a try, and was soon disappointed it was no longer a turn-by-turn RPG but kept going, hoping to change my mind. Playing through the game, I only thought it was "ok" until I completed it. By the time the credits rolled and the final "cutscene" appeared, I realize how much I loved this game and wanted to replay it immedatly.
This only happened once to me before, with Ghost Tricks.
I absolutely love this game & there’s so much to do after you beat it
The end scene almost made me cry
"It might be worth a second look"
Having come off my eighth playthrough of the game...I think it's worth quite a few more than that. I love this game so much.
This has been my favourite Paper Mario game for a long time. I really like the story, characters and gameplay. No matter what the internet told me, I stayed by this game's side
Amen brother.
Same here
me too!
Same.
I always stuck by this game's side too. Even though TTYD was my first and favorite Paper Mario game, I also really like Super Paper Mario. I remember seeing the commercial for the game when I was a kid and I was still super interested in it, even if it looked different from TTYD.
I enjoy the game too, I just wish it had the classic battle system more in tact
Bathaniel Nandy
@MixedGamer Most of his triggered videos are not his opinions, hence the "this video is over exaterated" line in the beginning of every triggered video
How Gamecube Triggers you!
I had a dream just last night that there was a Paper Mario game this year that returned not to the form of TTYD, but to SPM. I was overjoyed until I woke up to find out that it wasn't happening.
Super Paper Mario is the best game of all time, don't even try to change my mind.
Lol you’re in luck. They’re releasing a new one for the switch!
@@ariannaconcepcion9081 Yeah, it looks great. Still doesn't look like a SPM killer, but the plot is intriguing for sure and Bob-omb for president 2020.
spm is also my favourite game
origami king - i've got mixed feelings. i like the original villain and teaming up with bowser, it looks good graphically, but the amount of vanilla enemies and similarities to colour splash kinda worries me that the story/character/worlds/atmospheres etc. element of the game will be lacking.
Goron Gamer yes. I love this about SPM the characters had such personalities. I never play thousand year door and played the heck out of this. If they added some rpg I wouldn’t have known. I WAS MARIO. All the cool abilities turn based to me as well since timing is everything. But the story and subversion still makes me smile rn
Well we're getting a new paper Mario game, once again doing it's own thing. Having elements from all past games.
Who else wants a remaster of Super Paper Mario on the Switch
YES
A remaster of the first three games for the switch would be amazing, and it could let nintendo address some of the design issues
MEEE YES YES YES!!
ABSOFLIPPINGLUTELY
I just got my copy in the mail. About to start this week. Can't wait
@@dnznznfjsnsnsms9996 good luck. The dark moments hit you like a truck in all the best ways
If Super Paper Mario isn't a true paper mario game because it doesn't have turn based combat, then Paper Mario isn't a true mario game because it isn't a platformer
It's like crash of the Titans people will just complain about a good game cause it's different from the other games and won't give the game any credit as it "ruined the franchise"
Isaak van Dijk, MD fair enough
@Isaak van Dijk, MD Same, but I think that SPM was always liked by many. I never knew it was supposedly hated by a lot of people.
That's not how that works
I think the feeling comes from hearing about a new paper mario game and going to buy it. As ur doing so you expect TTYD like game then... its not. That most likely where the hate came from. I used to hate it. But as time went on i realised... I STILL DONT LIKD IT XD
I played this game when I was 4, I played this game when I was 14. I felt the same feelings of Suspense, tension, sadness and happiness throughout both times, but most importantly, I was invested. I had tons and tons and tons of fun playing them, even if the game wasn't that much of a challenge.
Most people who claim Super Paper Mario is a bad game haven't got through the first chapter, and I firmly believe they shouldn't be listened to.
Thank you for this video, Drew.
This game is an awful mess the story is really very generic and nothing to write home about. The gameplay is basically non-existent. It's a shitty game end of story.
Spm was complicated as fuck. I doubt a 4 year old got past the first level like I did around that age.
1/10 bait, try again next time
@@cgnfake6721 Ik it was lmao, at that time I couldn't even read, and my dad had to get through basically the whole game and read the dialogue for me. Still, it didn't prevent me from having fun and the game being stuck in my mind, staying as one of my fav videogames.
T_Peg your a shitty mess who’s opinions don’t matter.
I really hate how these Paper Mario “fans” blame the Mario & Luigi series for their series sucking
Part of the argument _is_ true. Nintendo responded to Color Splash's lack of charm by saying M&L was already doing it's job, which, no. As a M&L fan, I know that the 2 games are pretty different. But so many factors come in to play. Like Miyamoto, but he's only a small part of it.
I don't think they blame the series itself so much as blaming the focus being shifted to those games. That's how I understand it anyway
I’ve never heard that
The ironic thing there is Paper Jam striped away the fun and interesting characters from the M&L series and had a not so good story, common complaints from sticker star, I personally think that collab hurt the M&L series way more than those games hurt the paper Mario series
Well Alphadream is gone, so I guess Paper Mario fans don't have to worry anymore...
Imagine two cakes, the first pretty well made, and the 2nd considered by many to be top of the line.
And then a third cake is made but it has no sugar. It doesn't even taste that bad, it's good in fact. Just different from what many wanted or expected.
Then a fourth and fifth cake are made that have sugar but are missing flour, baking powder and egg.... Clearly the third cake is better. But the people who wanted it to have sugar aren't wrong, and yelling "GOOD" into a megaphone doesn't make them wrong.
Voltlighter Just because Super Paper Mario doesn’t have turn-based combat doesn’t mean it’s bad. I actually like SPM’s platforming style better.
Take this analogy, but instead of the third cake being made with no sugar, it's the perfect bowl of ice cream (an objectively better dessert than cake). 😉
I definitely agree with you about SPM being underrated. It was actually my first Paper Mario game and I adore it.
That being said, I think Hypercbarge’s video also gives a valid point as to why some people don’t like it. I Recommend watching it even if you disagree.
I can't find it
@@pokedude720 Here's the link: czcams.com/video/q8mfd2IY9S8/video.html
Super paper mario was my first MARIO game.
iirc he spent so much time saying the plot was bad but in the comments he revealed that he only did that because the story was the most popular thing about the game, and he didn't actually think it was bad - the truth is just he doesn't care about story much.
as for the gameplay, sure i never liked the hamster wheel or anything like that but i'm an optimist, i look at the good things in the game not the bad, i forgive it's flaws, and i don't mind a small annoyance for a few minutes in a 10-20 hour play through of such a good game.
MiracleDinner I definitely disagree with him, (not to plug to hard but I actually did a review myself,) but I do think he brought up some valid points:
The story was good but he said that at its core it was basically just Blumiere being an angsty teen and he only had a change of heart because Timpani didn’t end up being dead.
Second, he said that the gameplay was so different from the other games that he just didn’t enjoy it.
Again, I disagree on him but I can’t say his criticisms are objectively bad.
Super Paper Mario has a special place in my heart, first wii game I ever bought, first "paper mario" game I beat and replayed so many more times than other games. I know people want a sequel to RPG Paper Mario games on Switch but I would love for this "Flip-Side" series to come back in some way :)
I need my boi Dimentio to return! xD
Same
Excellent defense. In my opinion, Super has the best narrative of ANY Mario game.
The blank Sammer Guy world is heart ripping your first time encountering it. The absense of a back track is chilling as you see that Bleck isnt messing around, and its made even worse when you consider that the Sammer Guys didnt die, they simply ceased to exist.
I never saw Super Paper Mario as part of the core Paper Mario series, I always regarded it as more a spinoff in the same way I regard Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky, a game within the same franchise that's taking things in a different direction but is still executed so well it should be treated as one of the best games of the entire franchise, regardless of the differences.
My problem with this is that the creators (the same as the first 2) wanted to define the series outside of just the system of the 1st 2, but kept the pillars of the "goal" of what the franchise was supposed to be -- in-depth Mario adventures. They're set at the same timeline (as seen with the many references of the OG games throughout SPM), the items are the same, most abilities, and characters. The core four seemingly progressed in the 3 games and was in their peak during SPM. Being set in an alternate dimension setting helped its overall unique experience IMO.
Overall I can't see why SPM can't be part of this series (and I felt they were going back to classic form anyway until the main team got replaced) just for the gameplay, when some franchise has the same core mechanics but had bogged down on other aspects supporting it.
Then title it something else imo
imo spm's ins't as different from the first two as people think it is. as nintendrew said in the video, the battle system may be gone yes but other than that it has most of the defining features of the first two games.
@@miracledinner2244 the battle system is literally what defines paper Mario though lmao
@@KeziaTv well that's debatable, personally story was always the thing i liked most but i definitely get that for many the battle system was the best thing about the first two
This was my first Paper Mario game ever and if I'm being honest, I felt that Super Paper Mario took a steep nosedive in terms of gameplay towards the latter half of the adventure. The Overthere in particular was one of the most mind-numbing and tedious levels I've ever had to endure in a Mario game. While the characters, story, and dialogue are top notch, it often felt like I had to drag my way through some of the gameplay sections just to see the story progress. I truly hate the fact that I dislike this game because there's so much that it does right and it was so close to being one of my favorites, but I just can't bring myself to enjoy it. For all that it does right, I consider SPM to be a good Paper Mario game, yet I can't call it a good standalone game. Those are just my honest thoughts.
I think that's the area SPM struggles in the most; level design. For every great level that subverts expectations in a fun way, there's a level like The Overthere or the outer space fetch quest or the level where you have to go back and forth to get the code for hitting the blocks or the goddamnstupidtreeclimbinglevelwiththeflowerenemiesthatsnipeyouoffeveryplatform...basically, when the levels are good they're incredible and when they're bad they're awful repetitive slogs. Even the Sammer Guy Kingdom that he uses as an example of the great story, is actually quite monotonous until the world gets destroyed.
However I would argue every Paper Mario game has a few really repetitive areas with overly tedious backtracking. I think you just notice it more in SPM because the game presents itself as a 2D platformer, so it's more noticeable when it fails in level design because good level design is the core component of a 2D platformer
Agreed but as a life long paper mario fan SPM was a let down because it wasnt a turn based rpg. it came out at a time wehere new super mario bros was in everybodies ds and i believe the wii had its own 2d platforming title already as well. I play Paper Mario games for compelling story, Hilarious characters and turn based combat. it thrives when it hits these three points and provides me with good ole jrpg comfort food.
I can see where you're coming from. I love this game and replayed it multiple times and even I groan at parts like the Sammer Kingdom or the Overthere.
Luigi Linguine so what you're saying is that SPM is a good Paper Mario game, but not a good Mario game. If so, that's fair.
@@electricalman481 Yeah, that's essentially what I took away from the game. It's still leaps and bounds better than Sticker Star and Color Splash, so grouping Super Paper Mario with them would just be wrong.
This is crazy, I didn't know it had a stigma? This was my favourite one! I loooooved the 2d 3d and the collection aspect was my favourite part. I literally can't understand the hate. I played them all and I just adored this game when it came out.
Yet another case of Miyamoto ruining a game by saying “Mario doesn’t need a story”
Even thought of you look at the picture, Myamoto actually had little to do with the modern ones. It’s more of Tanabaes family for it.
If you want to look into it, there’s a channel called “Super Mario T” which goes far in depth into what happened with the series
as Chuggaaconroy said
*MIYAMOTOOOOOO*
Tedious Totoro you are absolutely correct he ruined paper Mario (for other people because I loved them all but sticker star) and he ruined pikmin by creating Hey Pikmin and when nobody buys those games he’s like oh I guess nobody likes this franchise anymore Let’s KILL IT
@@thegreatlunala6363 WWWIIILLLSSOOONNN!
@@pepper-sama8340 sadly true due to looking at the small picture
Paper Mario N64 is literally my favorite game of all time. I've played through it at least once a year for pretty much my entire life. I can say in confidence that Super Paper Mario is a damn good time knowing this. Super underrated and unfairly scapegoated by the community. Great video, Drew. I'd love to see more like this.
Not saying N64 is bad in the slightest, but I feel like it's kinda barebones compared to the QoL additions they made in TTYD (stylishes, Superguard, partner HP, etc.); This, making it the "least good" of the original trilogy (again, not bad)
So, for the sake of conversation, why do you like it so much?
@@pokedude720 I could vouch to say PM just felt like a Mario world fleshed out. TTYD may had more hardcore characterization and gameplay, but IMO area design (PM's areas are better connected) and just the fact that it feels "homey" and simple for the lack of word makes it most replayable of the 3 for me, although I like them all near equally. SPM for me is the level next to TTYD in going all out in its uniqueness. As I said though, each one has something different to enjoy IMO.
I think my favorite part of this video is where Drew just gets the megaphone and just says, "good". Turn based combat did not define the paper mario series. It was the story and world building. Also find it ironic that the main man himself, Miyamoto, screwed up the series by thinking arrogantly. No, the series is not gonna just sell because you think it will. Lol! You still have to try.
Sorry, friend. I've been playing the games since they were first released. Now you may not agree, but to call my argument ignorant is in itself ignorant when the two biggest flops of the franchise had the turn based combat to begin with. That was one of the arguments made in this video. I'm sorry, but mario RPG's are rather flat and underwhelming compared to actual RPG's. They're good mario games, but are mediocre RPG's at best.
Yet you're saying that the turn based battle system was what made the series. How can you argue differences when they were there? At least for color splash and Sticker Star, the proof was in the development in itself that they gutted the story while trying to flesh out that very combat system. What set paper mario apart was its quirky style of world and story. The proof was in the pudding. You can't deny it. You just want to deny it.
The partner system did nothing other than bring the world to life as they were mostly abilities mario could do without them either by himself or with items. The badge system restricted mario in how he could battle in itself until that was discarded with the sticker system as all you needed to do was collect stickers. The badges capped at 99 ad even then, will not grant you access to every badge you had no matter how conservative you were. At least the stickers as long as you had room, which were ample pages, you had virtually no limit at access to your best abilities. Many other RPG's did not and do not have this issue. Again, you are delusional. I at least know that the games themselves offer more than a lackluster system. And Super Paper Mario proves it. It has the best story and stands out in the franchise, but the moment that was dulled foe sticker star, it showed. I guarantee that if the system reflected the thousand year door, you'd drop it in less than an hour with how dull the world is and how pointless the story is. The partners would be as barren as everything else and the badges wouldn't be any better. Stop deluding yourself.
You're the one who called me out for having a different opinion and you're saying i need to grow up? Hypocrisy thou art their champion. Follow your own advice.
That's beautiful. I state my opinion. You accuse me of being wrong. You were welcome to it, only to go and say i was being wrong. Now you claim that i was being hypocritical. Once again, you came into this comment. I'm the one being egotistical while you present your so called qualifications as a player? You're the one being so unaware of your own arrogance. You're a comedy act.
I feel like I'm one of the few people in existence who liked Paper Mario TTYD for it's unique take on turn-based RPG gameplay... The stage, the star points, the slot machine, the random mishaps during battle, it was all so unique and made it stand out in the RPG genre. That's personally why I could never get into SPM. Because I've always been a gameplay-first kind of person, and I've always seen the game as a "Why would I play this when I can just replay some of the classic Mario titles instead?" It didn't help either that I never really liked the actual physics and controls of how Mario moved during the overworld in regards to platforming challenges from the first two games, and also how we got both New Super Mario Bros and New Super Mario Bros Wii.
It just never seemed like my kind of game, and I don't really want to spend time and (potentially) money, just to play a game that I'm going into knowing that there's a large chance that I'll be dissatisfied with.
Also note this:
Super Paper Mario was originally going to be on the Game Cube like Thousand year door.
But because its development was leaking into the Wii age of Development it was made into a Wii title.
True. Because of this, the game is so different to the other titles, they wanted to differentiate it form the other paper Mario game that was originally going to be on that console too.
For me, Super Paper Mario is the peak of Paper Mario games, and my favorite Wii game. Great video, it's nice to see that people are still looking at this game, and in good.
No
@@KeziaTv stfu SPM HATER
@@thelegendarymarioman8461 LMFAO what
Definitely my favorite Paper Mario game! That’s a decently controversial opinion, but I will defend it as long as I’m alive.
I consider it the 3rd best, but I still consider it a great game!
It's my favourite paper Mario game aswell
Imma defend alongside you lol
Always loved Super Paper Mario. I never considered it part of the other Paper Mario games, I considered it It's own thing. They're not even the same genre. Would be amazing if we got a Super Paper Mario 2
I always knew people didn't really like Super Paper Mario as a kid, but I genuinely had no idea why, I could find no faults with the gameplay and the story was sensational. It was only when I embraced my inner nerd and researched into it to realise the only people that didn't like it were some of the people who played the earlier two games and missed the old formula. It's a magnificent game.
Edit: I do have to say though, great video, but you did say no spoilers before giving away one of the biggest plot twists in the game XD
Wow, thank you for all the work you put into this! Super Paper Mario is my favorite video game because of all the good memories I have playing it with my father. Good job! :)
I'm still mad at Miyamoto for ruining Sticker Star back when it was Paper Mario 3ds. Biggest case of Missed Potential
I love Sticker Star : )
@@zachatck64
You can love it, but did you see the prototype stuff for the game alongside the development history? It's enough to break a man with how much was changed because of Miyamoto
@@zerochill4096 I did see the prototype, and I understand the disappointment, but if they kept it, that was probably spreading the series thin
@@zachatck64
It would have been better than the direction the series went in now.
Like I said, it's alright to like Sticker Star, but the game lacks a lot of the charm that previous games had.
SCG Productions Sticker star going in the direction it did spread the series thin. I mean, other RPG series have over 10 titles in them, yet this one only gets 2 entries and people still declare “it was getting old” while trying to defend SS/CS. Both of those games are for sure defendable don’t get me wrong, but there’s no reason for this point to be such a popular one to be brought up. Even Mario & Luigi had more games in the series than Paper Mario, all of them being turn based RPGs.
It felt so good when you got the megaphone to tell those people off. Turn based combat doesn't define the PM series. At its core, its a series of emotional moments, unique chapter to chapter scenarios and unforgettable characters. SPM is a great game just like its predecessors.
They didn’t call it Mario STORY for nothing. The first 3 games are amazing, and the third entry is definitely my favorite because of the story and music. However, I think one thing that the Paper Mario series shares between all games is the good music. It never fails me.
Nice work, Drew! Your analysis is well developed and concisely delivered. Oh, and HOW IN THE WORLD did you get the Wii footage to look so good?!
Thank you for the kind words!! And to answer your question, an HD texture pack mod. 👍
This is my first and favorite Paper Mario. I prefer platformers over RPGs, so I’m glad there’s a Paper Mario game for us platformers to enjoy
Super paper Mario is the only one I’ve ever played so the nostalgia makes it my favorite
Super Paper Mario is arguably my favourite game ever, the ambitious story and charming characters have captivated me since I first played it as a kid, and to this day I find myself going back and replaying the game for it’s amazing story, gameplay, music and characters all over again! Thank you for making a video that stands by this game’s side as an underappreciated title! People are welcome to their own opinions, but I think SPM is a phenomenal game! ❤️
I'm playing it through for the first time and it gets a thumbs up from me. Just played the bit with the disappearing world and found myself genuinely disturbed, the way the dudes you have to fight get more and more freaked out as you go. Brr.
Honestly, I don't think there'll ever be a Mario game that goes so god damn hard on lore
Paper Mario’s unique turn based combat is a huge part of its identity imo
Super Paper Mario is my favorite game, i hope it gets included with a collection if it gets remastered
I hate how the paper mario team says they want to go away from the in depth storytelling and focus on easier to follow mushroom kingdom stories and yet they make Mario Odyssey
I always said: Miyamoto got stuck in time with a game designer mind from 20 years ago. It's time to let the man rest. He doens't have what it takes to make a game nowadays.
Sure he does, he just isn't suited for games like Paper Mario.
Thank you so much for defending SPM, this game is wonderful and gets less credit than it much deserves 😁👍
The original NSMB actually is a bit of deviation from the traditional story formula. In prior games, Bowser was always at the end of the game as the final boss; but here, he's the boss of World 1, and is defeated rather gruesomely at that (you literally see him burn alive as the skin melts off of his bones, also a first).
It's in fact his son, Bowser Jr., who serves as the main antagonist of the game from that point forward. Bowser is by all means dead, and his son has taken control of his armies in order to avenge him; and it's only at the very end of the game that he's revived for one final boss fight. It's not much, but I would consider it a subversion of one's expectations.
The rest of the NSMB series, though? Bland and unremarkable story, unfortunately
I still need to get the first 2 Paper Mario's and Sticker Star
Don't get Sticker Star, it's not worth it.
Let him form his own opinion, if he doesn’t like it then that’s alright, if he does like it then that’s great. We should all give something a chance before judging it.
You can get a copy of sticker star off ebay for $10.
If you want to play sticker star, go for it! It now costs around 10$ so you wont waste nothing. Even though its controversy, it’s still fun to play for the first time.
@Joel Johnson HELL NO YOSHIS NEW ISLAND IS BETTER THAN STUPID STAR
Super paper Mario is a wicked game I really like it , spot on great content drew
Really really great video! This is my first video of yours I’ve came across and I’m super excited to watch your others! :D
I think the "paper" didn't come in for the world and character's literal paper material, but for its world being like something out of a storybook. I think this storybook theme best describes what classic Paper Mario is. What do great storybooks have? Deep story-telling, lovable & wacky characters, and surprises! Running through these games is like a child running over a pop-up storybook exploring all the little pieces hidden around each page, or reading a good story that pulls you into its world through its puzzling intrigue. That's why I think these games are so fantastic.
Modern Paper Mario is a different series entirely how I see it. It's like... some lame movie adaptations that are concerned with expressing their own creative interpretations before really understanding the essence of the original material and what made it so remarkable. Don't get me wrong, I had an enjoyable time with Color Splash and Origami King looks like an entertaining an daction-packed game... But when I remember those classic Paper Mario games, I feel disappointed that that series just quite isn't with us anymore.
Super Paper Mario had a style that didn't even make sense for literal paper. But the computer cursor scheme works *so* well to enhance the Paper Mario world. The game has a thoughtful story and an inventive world, and it's my favorite Paper Mario game. It feels disappointing that we never got to see this fantastic series develop in more directions with more games.
Super Paper Mario still is my favourite Nintendo game ever.
I still to this day can't for the life of me understand why they stripped away experience points and leveling in Sticker Star!
Great video as always
The key to why Super Paper Mario belongs with the first two games and not the latter two lies in that interview with Ryota Kawade: one of the motivations for the new direction was that "showing something that the player has never seen before is one of the core pillars of Paper Mario."
Then Miyamoto threw a tantrum and they started doing the opposite, bending over backwards to avoid showing the player anything new or creative.
Super Paper Mario is honestly, no joke, my favorite game of all time! So thanks for talking about it!!
I’ve been attempting to explain this to people for years! Thanks for explaining your views on this game, and I couldn’t agree more!
Never played Super Paper Mario but after watching this video, I'm inspired to give it the chance it deserves. Thank's Drew!
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I do love a game with a good story.
I'm looking forward to playing it!
@Sebastian Ramirez a story doesn't make the game itself, it has to have a half-decent gameplay. Fortunately this does have half-decent gameplay. I would have enjoyed this game much more if the gameplay was more than just decent though.
you won't regret it at all
These villains are top-notch, man
I hope you enjoy it
I still consider the first 2 better, but I’d be lying if I said it’s a bad game
I haven't played any of the paper mario games except for super paper mario and I came here searching for answers as to why no one talks about it. It's one of my favorite games of all time and I didn't understand why no one else seemed to care about it. thanks for answering my questions. great video.
Thank you so much for this video. Truly. I played through PM64, TTYD, and SPM as a child. Once I had to give up my N64 because I had to move, I only had my GC and Wii left, and I always played TTYD and SPM. I really did enjoy the gameplay of SPM. We weren't in Mario's world, so it felt okay to me that the traditional RPG elements got removed.
It was only until a couple years ago and I really invested into the story more, and it absolutely moved me and had me so into the game. I cried because it was just so good and immersive with the storyline, something that reminded me of TTYD, but had a much more emotional touch to it, because we weren't in Mario's world anymore, we were in theirs. I started replaying the game once again but I can't bring myself to finish it, the ending always gets to me, and a game to do that to me is rare. I can replay TTYD and PM64 any day, but there's something about this game that just... I just can't emotionally. I am really happy I grew up with these three games in my life, and it always made me sad to come online and see SPM get bashed on because of it being the middle child to the poorer entries into the series (I liked Color Splash to a degree, not re-playable in my book, however, I did like some of the humor though!), so thank you for bringing justice to this beautifully crafted game!
I think the reason they changed it up was because of the success of the Mario & Luigi series on handheld. They didn't want 2 competing Mario RPG's, but they wouldn't be competing if you kept PM on Console and M&L on Handheld.
Big oof there Nintendo.
These are very good points!! In my opinion it doesn’t hold a candle to thousand year door, but it was really nice to be reminded of all the good things it did.
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Funny thing, Nintendo once tried to claim Color Splash is a Action RPG when directly questioned about its gameplay mechanics. Clearly they have no idea what an ARPG actually is. They only said that to give Color Splash some amount of substance to appeal to a wider audience, which failed badly regardless.
Great to see others love Super Paper Mario. It was my first game of the series and it is easily one of my favorite games of all time. Awesome video Nintendrew! Keep up the fantastic work!
SPM has always been my favorite in the series...and one of my favorite games of all time
This is an incredible video. SPM is one of my favorite games of all time and to an outsider that usually seems crazy.
classic "It lost the thing you like for things I like, so why are you upset? I am happier than ever!".
One of the things I like the most about Mario games is the unique and interesting world. Ever since Super Mario Bros, the entire concept, Goombas, Koopas with their shell mechanics, that weird thingy in the cloud that throws these spiky things, the mushrooms that make you grow bigger or give you more lives, the pipes that lead to strange places... It's all so strange. It's a world which has so much things that it feels like it's real in some sense.
And the later Mario games felt the same: Super Mario Bros 3, with it's new powerups, bigger world and different places. Or Super Mario Bros 2 with it's strange world of throwing vegetables at enemies. And I really adored Mario RPG for it's unusual music, and strange places and characters.
Just the feeling of hearing a level theme and being perfectly absorbed into it is so amazing.
While I never played Super Paper Mario, I thought it's an interesting game. Even if we ignore story and characters, the concept is super intriguing. The ability to move in different dimensions and explore this unique and interesting world. Sort of like going into pipes and finding loot, or new places such as warp place at 1-2.
I feel SPM fits perfectly with other Mario games.
Personally, I've always considered Super Paper Mario as my favorite in the series, even before watching this
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Color Splash ultimately fell *FLAT* in more ways then one.
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When someone says that they absolutely hate a game but they don’t give any reason why, don’t listen to them they’re just looking to piss you off
Super paper Mario is soooo underrated!
Sure it was different, but like you said the story and characters were still there. It still felt like a paper Mario game. Sticker Star and Color splash just don't feel the same. I really hope they bring paper Mario back to its roots with the next installment.
Anyways this was an awesome video, keep up the great work!
Agreed. The next Paper Mario game after PM: TOK should have original characters (incl. partners), mix between 2D/3D platform and RPG, good music, good graphics, simple, yet fresh combat (like in PM: TTYD), good and dark story, experience points and it should be made by creators of BugFables, OG Paper Mario trilogies, Mario & Luigi, fans and Ryota Kawade. Also, it would be nice to have an option to switch between Yoshi's Island (SNES) graphics and new Paper Mario graphics. But it shouldn't have paper gimmicks and paper puns and too much toads.
Super Paper Mario has always been a very special game for me. It was my first Paper Mario game and really the first time I ever experienced a really good story as a kid. Every inch of Super is just filled with so much charm and creativity that I can’t help but smile every second I’m playing it. And when the story gets emotional or scary it pulls it off about as close to flawlessly as it can (it is sometimes held back though... you can tell there’s things the game wants to say but can’t because of the family friendly nature of it all). Sure, the gameplay isn’t perfect and the character design can be a bit blocky, but if you can look past those things you’ll find one of the most under appreciated gems in Nintendo’s whole gaming library. It inspired me to want to create stories myself, which is something I never would’ve imagined back then. Honestly if you haven’t played this game you absolutely should. It’s not for everyone but when it clicks it’ll stay with you forever.
Super Paper Mario is my favorite game. Of all time. Probably because of nostalgia, but the writing, characters, and story, are just so creative and unique compared to everything else Mario related. I'm so glad you made a video about it!
Just rang the bell... Great content! Now I'm gonna play super paper Mario during Corona virus lock down
i think this is the first time a nintendrew video has popped up in my feed in two or three months, awesome video though was not expecting this kind of content but really enjoyed it
I really liked Super Paper Mario. Fun gameplay, great soundtrack, FANTASTIC story, and such interesting villains! Count Bleck, man, I love that guy! His tale was so bittersweet, I love it. I think that to fully appreciate this game for what it is, you need to mentally decouple it from the first two games. I understand the criticism and disappointment surrounding it with respect to its predecessors, but as its own standalone experience, it's excellent.
Somebody finally said what I've always thought that super paper mario is just as good as the others
I love how Dimentio isn't even the main villain and yet has much more charism than King Olly
I agree with basically all of your points here, however one major thing you forgot about was the badge system. The versatility and interesting effects the badges had were probably my favourite parts of the first two games, and might honestly be my favourite part of the franchise. They allowed players to come up with so many different fun and sometimes completely invincible strategies to wipe major bosses in a single power bounce. However, without this system the paper mario combat would still be pretty cool, but not the incredible system we all know it as.
You can find badges in SPM. I found a couple yesterday.
Well after seeing the announcement of Paper Mario The Oragami King there's a glimmer of hope its going back to the first two game. 🤞🤞🤞
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Sorry, only ring based combat here.
Not really, but certainly has character in it's world, meat in it's story, and complexity in it's battle system. That last one will be hit or miss for many. Also pleanty of set pieces and mini games to break up the pace.
@@francoperalta5986 It feels like a different genre altogether though, we went from a fantastical, somewhat grounded narrative, to something slice-of-life and comedic when Classic Paper Mario's comedy was usually unintended.
@@zjzr08 This games narrative actually flip flops between light hearted humor to a dark high stakes drama and back again. At a medium subtle way, not overly.
@@francoperalta5986 Not sure if the "dark" we're really subtle, except by the fact that them taking the aspects literal makes hard to be truly "dark" -- these paper people having certain things happen to them by truly dangerous office supplies, sure, but like it's a paper world and you can only do much IMO (which of course isn't what Paper Mario was supposed to be, but I could see if you probably do). I could probably cite 2 aspects of overt "dark", although frankly the one where you save Olivia -- I think it was hammered a bit much.
My favorite paper Mario game is paper Mario color splash. You can’t change my mind
Same.
Super Paper Mario was the first RPG game and second ever Mario game I ever owned (after Super Mario Galaxy 2). This game continues to be an absolutely amazing title that defined the Paper Mario series for me. This was one of the few games to make me cry at the end. This game had challenge to it in the Pits of 100 Trials and the Sammer Kingdom. I wish more RPGs had less turn based battles, because games that play like this and Sonic Unleashed are some of the best games I've ever played. I will defend this game for life.
How is it that I was thinking of super paper mario, search it randomly, and find an incredibly recent video about it?
I swear I have the most cosmic timing when it comes to getting and playing games. Right after I started playing Chrono Trigger, KingK made his video about it. Right after I beat Metroid Zero Mission, I discovered The Geek Critique. Right after I bought Super Paper Mario, I see this video pop up in my feed. Am I cursed or something? O_o
No you're blessed, because all of your favorite content creators are uploading these games you're talking about. What more could you ask for?
Yay I’m finally early on a video. This is my favorite channel
As someone who absolutely LOVES paper mario TTYD, let me say that super paper mario is not just a great game, but even a great paper mario game. Just like you said, everything that makes paper mario paper mario is there, with the best story of any paper mario game so far.
It is a great game
And remember, this isn't just Paper Mario, it's "Super" Paper Mario. And it's great.
I love this game but I do not consider it to be a Paper Mario game with Super in the title, rather I see it as a Super Mario game with Paper in the title.
Really love this channel. Thanks drew
THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEBODY!!! GREAT VIDEO
Awesome video I gotta play this again now !
It's true about Subverting Player Expectations
With Super Paper Mario: It was multiple subverting expectations:
+ What Bowser didn't kidnap Princess Peach this time!
+ Princess Peach and Bowser will help Mario on his journey (When its the last time that Mario, Peach, and Bowser working together: 1996!)
+ Luigi playing a bigger role in this story! (Mr. L: 1st appearance)
+ Count Bleck's (main villain) motives!
+ Plot Twist!
Its shame new team behind Paper Mario: Sticker Star and Color Splash have no idea what makes Paper Mario so special. It's not about the papers and art supplies. And Shigeru Miyamoto doesn't help at all...