i really love how at one point Robert said "I Need to know who he is I need to stand there, I need to look him in the eye and I need to know that it's him" and the movie ends with him looking in the zodiac's eyes.
That moment where Jake Gyllenhaal's character stares at the man he thinks is the Zodiac and you see that guy realise that Gyllenhaal's character knows and than deciding he will intimidate him by staring back, damn, good acting.
I think he's rather unsettled by Graysmith staring at him. Also notice that you can hear Baker Street, a song meaning victory, playing in the background, a small hint that he finally looked at the Zodiac.
Fun Fact: The Police not showing Zodiac's first victim a photo lineup that included Arthur Leigh Allen shortly after the murder is considered one of the greatest law enforcement blunders of recent history.
Arthur Leigh Allen didn’t become a suspect until 1972 At which point Mike had run off. The bigger zodiac fuck up was the san Francisco police not stopping the man walking away from the Paul stine’s crime Scene Or the fact napa, Vallejo and SanFrancisco police departments never fully shared info which each other.
no, this film is bullshit. Its pure fiction, Graysmith didn't even know Avery in the Chronicles. The zodiac didn't call melvin belli 18 december, he never call belli in fact. Another guy made the call. Cheney's story is bullshit. Allen was not the Zodiac, but graysmith just cant accept that
Sick Kunt The movie doesn't say that Allen was the Zodiac. It says that Graysmith believed that Allen was the Zodiac. The movie makes pretty clear that there is only circumstantial evidence against Allen. That's why the third-from-last scene is so important: Toschi: "The prints, the handwriting..." Graysmith: "I'm not asking you as a cop.: Toschi: "But I AM a cop. I can't prove this." Ultimately, while we'd like to believe Graysmith, Toschi is right. You have to go with direct evidence, and there just ISN'T any against Allen.
TitanFind dna, fingerprint... Allen wasn't the zodiac. I mean the movie is great, but after watch it you think allen was definitely the fucking zodiac. But it was just an graysmith obsession. Probably we will never know who the fuck was that motherfucker
This movie really made me feel tired, but then I realized it was intentional. The director wanted us to feel the same way the people who were trying to solve these crimes felt over the years.
I didn't feel that way, I was actually as obsessed as Robert was. I even tried to puzzle every thing, from the date of his birthday, to where the murders happened where he was at the time. Crew cut? He's bald, where are the glasses, his voice. Everything
@@jrob4795 I've watched this film at least 6 times since I first saw it... which was last year in May. Just trying to find one or two clues I didn't notice
That director got the skill to make very long movies with little to no action or any kind of acts being shown, mostly just words being spoken. yet they suck you in and you can't stop watching it even if it's 3 hrs, the dialog only creates the tension the rest is just fuel for the fire. he's a master at crafting a huge fire that will passion you to sit tight till it end.
Fun fact: in real life Mike Maggio jumped out of his chair and screamed at the top of his lungs "That's him, that's the guy that shot me!" the instant they showed him Allen's photo, which for a traumatized dope fiend no one had seen in 20 years is pretty definitive confirmation if you ask me.
@@richiefranklin76 ok,what about the fingerprints that was left of cab after he shot the cabdriver...they had blood on then so they had to have come from the ZODIAC...and the wanted poster the one with to glasses looks nothing like Allen's face..Allen was much bigger.
There is s great documentary on the cable Channel called .REELZ it's all about the ZODIAC watch it and it will change your mind about Allen being the ZODIAC the fakes just dont lie Allen was not the ZODIAC
@@davidmcdonald6804 But in March 2018, it was announced that the 2002 DNA sample was collected from outside the stamp rather than behind it, or from the envelope seal, meaning Allen could still be a suspect. So now they are apparently trying to collect DNA from the back of the stamps or from the envelope seals with new technology that allows them to separate the DNA from the glue. They're going to try to do what was done to the golden state killer, but it won't be as good because there will only be partial DNA samples, unlike with the golden state killer where they had a rape kit which gave complete DNA samples.
What makes this ending so great is the fact Michael described Arthur Leigh Allen as having a round face like the second guy he points to, indicating that he might not even remember what the Zodiac looked like. Despite confirming Allen, that moment still leaves us with a shred of doubt as to who the Zodiac really was.
It's not Arthur Lee Allen. Eyewitness ID from a chronic drug & alcohol abuser? Pretty sure? His first description after the shooting was much different than what Arthur Lee Allens physical appearance was in 1969. It wasn't Arthur Lee Allen.
+James Howard Just found out that Hurdy Gurdy Man was playing at the start of the movie during the first killing on the radio. Even creepier. David Fincher is a genius.
Just imagine The Real Zodiac Killer has watched this film so many times and was like SMH. Just thinking about it is really creepy. Maybe he even watched its premiere.
aerialkate I know me too. I have had a interest in serial killer cases since I was a kid and it bothers me he was not caught. But I can remember doing a report on the green river killer back in school in the 90's and then 11 years later they busted his ass. I do not think it was leah the d.n.a did not match so it could not of been him? or could it of been?
The Zodiac has to go down as the luckiest or smartest killer of all time, So much circumstantial evidence was there & everytime it seemed like they were about to get him something happened and it was back to square one all over again. I honestly believe it was more then one person
He's equally great in the interview scene. He projects this absolutely chilling sense of menace and physical intimidation, but having watched it many times I still can't work out how he does it. None of the usual cliches, nothing over-done, just first rate acting.
He's a great actor. In particular, there was even one episode of The Walking Dead he was in, a unique stand-alone episode only featuring him and Lennie James (Morgan), and he was amazing in it. Fan of the show or not.
+TripleA He's right you know. Technically you're just a mere fan with your opinion and these movie are actually rated by hundred thousands of other fans (Just like you) It is actually, the only evidence if you want my opinion. I bet Zodiac would be forgotten in 10 years. Hell, people are barely talking about it now
What I love most about this movie is how it pulls in my obsession with Robert Graysmith's obsession with the Zodiac killer case without me even questioning why. There's a great atmosphere of unease and apprehension that the director sets in its tone throughout the movie. Most other movies in this genre would rely on shock value and or an overwhelming music score, yet this film gives us nuanced performances and low-key music and a great use of contemporary music from a bygone era.
I watched when I was young and when I learned that this was a true story, I was hoping for an positive ending. But as the film reached it's climax and then this ending, I was like, "But they can't just let the killer win.". But it was then I realized, HE ALREADY HAS....
@I drink your milkshake it's a great show for sure with an ensemble cast and good production quality. But requires a lot of patience to watch through, and it also has so many philosophical stuff which sometimes can fly through the viewer's head. still I will recommend you to watch it
Fincher Wright A lot of people think it was Lee doing the acts and his friend, Don Cheney doing the other stuff. Possibly even a 3rd man involved. Allen's connections alone are so plenty and obvious that the DNA not matching has spawned a huge move toward the multiple people hypothesis. The sheer number of "coincidences" with Allen are at a scale where he's almost impossible to remove as a suspect. It's not just a size or Zodiac watch thing but a ton of very creepy and VERY odd coincidences that cannot be ignored.
If, you look at the letters, even the handwriting looks different from letter to letter with some copied similarities. Its either copy cat killings, or these people worked as a team. Lee Allen was definitely involved though, but I don't think he was the only killer.
I cannot tell you how much I adore this film, all the actors are outstanding. The ending is so chilling 'I'm very sure, that's the man who shot me' then cuts to donavon. Amazing
this is pure genius, and the story is hauntigly scary. The fact that they never caught the Zodiac killer, but that everything related to the crimes or the phone calls stopped after Leigh's death is somehow creepy.
I like the fact that Robert told his wife that he needs to find out who the zodiac is and look in his eyes and knows its him at the end of the film he does just that
Powerful and intense. Great direction and a cast of terrific actors. Saw this twice and then recently "DVR'd it" when it aired on Sundance Network. Love Sundance because they present unedited films. But noticed now, they every so often (not frequently) insert commercials. WHAT is up with THAT? Ugh...p.s. am surprised I found your comment. I rarely check, but glad I did.
aaaredskin just realized I replied to your comment, but it is under MY replies to MY comment. duh....sorry. Still feeling my way through this whole google + thing. :-( ...hope you were able to see this. Personally, I am terrible at checking any replies made to me.
to +aaaredskin no worries.I hardly check responses anyway and am even wondering if you will see this. Just "stumbled across" This Google + 'thing' changes on a day to day basis! lol!
To OP. He had already been to prison for other minor crimes and I doubt he could go through another trial at his age even if he was acquitted. His heart attack probably was due to an unhealthy lifestyle. He was obese (very dangerous as one gets older) , and one witness who was shown pictures of him said that he had way too round a face and body to be the man who attacked them. And listen: The DNA found on the Zodiac letter, the hand-writing, grammar and forensic evidence *didn't match* . By the time they came up with DNA forensic it was clear Arthur Leigh Allen wasn't the Zodiac killer. He was a creep but not the murderer. Because people felt uncomfortable being close to him they jumped to conclusions he was the Zodiac killer. Most of what they had on him was so-called circumstantial evidence, but no real evidence tied him to any of the murders. Listen, there were other suspects this movie doesn't bother with . One of them actually went to prison for a crime and the Zodiac murderers stopped pretty much simultaneously. He did in prison so if he was the Zodiac murder his secret died with him.
If Gary is the Zodiac killer, then this movie must’ve been a comedy to him And what’s more chilling, if he is the killer, he died knowing he got away with the murders
If they can prove that Gary Francis Post was the zodiac, then your right. Imagine if you were him watching this movie in the theater decades after committing the crimes shown in the movie, and just slightly mocking everything the police did to find him knowing he got away with it all.
It really seems the whole Zodiac thing was poorly investigated, with male survivor being shown the picture of a suspect 22 fucking years later, and he said it was him 100%. As i remember with a case of a girl that got a lift from the Zodiac (he claimed in letter he was in the car): She sat next to him in a car for minutes, in real life maybe half an hour and more, before he said those chilling words (before i kill you...), she must have somehow looked at him, she must have seen his face. I mean, imagine you get a lift from a stranger, even if it's dark, you'll see his face since he is freaking sitting next to you. Why was she never questioned more by police? If she was shown the photo of Leigh, it would have been same as with Mageau, she would be sure 100%, you don't forget faces in those situations.
that man in the car was never identified as Zodiac. and if my memory serves correctly so the movie also says that Zodiac was a attention seeker, that man in the car was someone else but Zodiac took the credit of that accident anyway. because he liked being in attention
The problem is the Zodiac kept taking credit for crimes he didn't do. He's a liar. And the best chance they had was when he shot the taxi driver. The cops thought a black man shot him, so they ignored a white guy leaving the scene.
This film is so different to me. It's slow and quiet, almost mundane. And that's how it gets under your skin, and you will never forget the moment you realized it's too late.
I feel like they missed an opportunity with that ace hardware scene, they show him writing something down on the clipboard with his left hand. Would have been disturbing as hell to see him writing with his right hand.
@@rick3844 There’s lots of false evidence in the movie. Like the scene of the maid telling Graysmith that the Zodiac called the house and said he needed to kill because it was his birthday and Graysmith concludes it was Allen’s birthday. It was actually a couple months later that that call was made and was mostly likely the mental patient who called in to the TV show. Also the scene that shows Allen wearing the wing walker boots. There’s no evidence he had a pair of those.
@@rick3844 Yeah, I love the movie but I was disappointed when I learned about certain things that were made up or left out of the movie. At least the ending is still somewhat ambiguous though.
It was a great choice to end with "Hurdy Gurdy Man" as that opening scene and the song really got imbedded into my brain and under my skin. Such a powerful film, it's surprising how seemingly overlooked it is. It's a pretty long film, but you get so invested in it that it seems much shorter.
I listen to Hurdy Gurdy man whenever I feel like being disturbed. The association of that song with this film is that strong. Which is funny since the first time I heard it was when I watched Sleepers (1996).
I love when at 0:56 Baker Street plays, w/ such a long journey behind him he's finally reached he end and the song that plays is a symbol of triumph, self servingly but still.
From 3:34, the emotions, the tension, the music...it still gives me the f*ing creeps, and I don't scare easy. This has to be among the best movie endings, ever. And being a San Francisco native, growing up in the 80s, though I don't remember the news on the zodiac, but now when I think of how old I was on the timeline of those murders, it chills my bones. Thank you for such a great (underrated) movie.
My friend's grandfather was portrayed in this film. Melvin Belli was an international lawyer that had a local radio show where the Zodiac killer would call in. My friend and his family got to choose the actor to portray their grandad. Fun facts lol
The beauty of this movie is the feeling of time, as in years, passing and key players who are involved in the story becoming fading memories except for graysmith. I actually watched this film twice in a row during a long flight back from overseas. Pure cinema excellence!!!
"Hurdy Gurdy Man" at the end gives me chills so hard I feel like I'm gonna faint. From the interviews I've seen, Michael was very hyperactive. He could not sit still and talked very fast. I'm sure in this somber moment he could have been subdued, however. I can't remember now if the real Mike is actually convinced it was Arthur Lee Allen or not. Either way, brilliant film!
The achievement of this film cannot be underestimated. This is a murder mystery with no resolution, and we already know there will be no resolution, and yet it is never for one second less than riveting.
"I am not the Zodiac. And if it where, I certainly wouldn't tell you" It's a haunting statement, and if you delve deeper, you'll realize how much more haunting it really was than what it was on the surface. See, the uncertainty of whether or not he was the Zodiac was the most evocative and subtle point of all, even above the points considering evidences, statements of witnesses and the like. Arthur Leigh Allen was the most likely one right? Toscha even pointed out he was his most favorite suspect. But what would you do if even the evidences could back out on you? If there's no substance within it? I was certainly convinced that Leigh was the Zodiac and it was even stated at the concluding scene that after he died of heart attack, the inimical calls to Robert Graysmith had ceased, thus corroborating his incrimination. He may or may not be... he certainly is, subjectively of course. In my eyes, of course. So how? why? And even if he was, his crimes would be gone unpunished. I don't wanna sound religious, but should this Zodiac be dead, the only one that would serve him justice is the existence of hell. That's how creepy the Zodiac killer was. He gets into you, even if he's dead already. Gone in the whirring wind, his chilling legacy unwavering.
TheLumpyHeavy The same thing with how they convicted Scott Peterson with no direct evidence (all circumstantial), if Allen was alive he would've been charged especially when one of the surviving victims ID Allen as the shooter.
***** well the dna did not match so who knows. I wish we did find out. I remember when they got the green river killer after all that time. The green river killer started killing when I was a baby and I remember coming home from work one day when I was in my early 20's and turning on the news to see they had got him at his job I was shocked.
TheLumpyHeavy does anyone else think someone set up Allen because they knew he had problems and took advantage of the situation? could be his friend that testified (or was willing to testify) against him? maybe that's why he stopped calling Robert after Allen died to make it look more convincing..
Remember when I first watched this it was a late evening in July, the sun was going down and a summer storm was rolling in. I was in Yolo County, not far from Lake Berryessa...and little by little as the sun rolled down, the wind picked up and the rain began to blow around I was getting thoroughly creeped out, because I recognized almost all the landmarks and all the killing sites.
Dougger2006 well then again you're eleven and you were 8 when you wrote this comment. I can tell because of your name saying 2006 and people typically use their birth year for their username.
I love how Graysmith gives arthur that look like " I know who you are". To me thats a victory and tells zodiac that your identity is not completely unknown. Graysmith looked him in the eyes like he said he was going to do.
Digital West They "lost him", didn't know where he was, and after a while they didn't care about him any more that much because they found all those other evidence which pointed on Arthur Leigh Allen.
There literally wasn't much more evidence against Allen then the short list of circumstantial notes, which are more or so coincidences. Allen's fingerprints never matched, his arm print didn't match, DNA never matched, handwriting samples from BOTH hands never matched, never any balistic connections between Allen and Z, Allen looked nothing like the composite drawing, Officer Don Fouke has said on record that the suspect he briefly encountered the night of Paul Stine's murder was NOT ALA...so again, there's no real evidence implicating Allen.
This is by far my favorite David Fincher project. This story, acting and music entrances me from start to finish every time I watch it. I think this and "Spotlight" would be an incredible double feature.
I know Mageau was not available for giving information about the zodiac, but why didn't they ask the lady with the 10 month old baby to recognize Arthur Leigh Allen. She did ride with him right? Am I missing something?
Sean Ryan Yes, I'm aware of that. But, when they narrowed down their suspects to Allen, I'm wondering why they didn't ask her to ID him again. She did in fact recognize the artist's sketch of the zodiac!
It,s chilling to know how serial killers can have such an effect on the whole country. This is one of the most realistic actual portrayals I,I've seen but don't ever forget about the real tragedy the victims or the survivors.
Also when I wasn't really aware of that at that time. I have to say 2007 must have been a great year! Zodiac,Grindhouse,No Country For Old Men,The Assassination of Jesse James,(still not seen There Will Be Blood),The Bourne Ultimatum,(The German Football Championship)...
Just finished watching this film there on BBC 2. Absolutely brilliant viewing and the ending is absolutely outstanding. Just outstanding. I'm going to have to read the book now. I need to say though that I was absolutely gutted when Arthur Lee Allens dna returned no matches when scrutinised using new technology.
Jake Gyllenhaal (Graysmith) and John Carroll Lynch (Arthur Leigh Allen) were also in the comedy "Bubbleboy" together. Lynch played Gyllenhaal's father.
Fun fact: Multiple actors played the Zodiac killer throughout the movie. Really helps to show the mystery behind his true identity.
Kevin from the office is the Zodiac
@@not6405 I think it's Toby.
It's the Scranton Strangler
Dorian Black no, no, no... Drew Carey’s brother is the Zodiac!
That's not true.
"Yes, those are the guys who shot me"
*Proceeds to point at Mac, Dee , Dennis, Frank and Charlie*
The Gang Does a Shooting
@@ryman1933 The Gang Become Serial Killers
The gang shoots the mcpoyles.
YOU WILL CALL HER!!!
It's possible a couple of them were in it together
i really love how at one point Robert said "I Need to know who he is I need to stand there, I need to look him in the eye and I need to know that it's him" and the movie ends with him looking in the zodiac's eyes.
You can see allen face expression change to that I'm going to kill you look ! It's him!!
farah f yes, I love that too
an then you hear that baker st sax
Maybe he didn't work alone.. Maybe Alllen had help from soneone else.
yep and then you hear baker street, alluding to robert having his own "sherlock moment"
I'm still thinking about the scene between Bob Vaughn and Robert Graysmith at the basement ......
That scene between them scared me ... a lot ....
and the scene where the woman with a baby rode with the man who tried to kill them?
why didn't they ask her about it?????????
Deanne Leyson that bit with the basement was only added to the film I think..it didnt really happen as far as I know
@@claireleyson
Cuz she decided to not use lubrication.
@Exiest is it?
That moment where Jake Gyllenhaal's character stares at the man he thinks is the Zodiac and you see that guy realise that Gyllenhaal's character knows and than deciding he will intimidate him by staring back, damn, good acting.
Or maybe he's just confused as to why Robert is staring at him. Who knows.
pedestrian
I think he's rather unsettled by Graysmith staring at him.
Also notice that you can hear Baker Street, a song meaning victory, playing in the background, a small hint that he finally looked at the Zodiac.
At 1:03 he gets upset because he likes confrontation and intimidation but that moment is denied by a costumer.
Great Movie
"Last time I saw that face was July 4, 1969. I'm *very* sure that's the man who shot me."
Gives me chills. Every. Single. Time.
Me to!
+Serena Bramble
i love you
one of the best ending lines of cinema history.
I thought I was the only one...
It wasn't Arthur allen ..DNA doesn't lie
Whoever decided to play the same song at the very end of the movie that was playing when Michael and Darlene got shot is a damn genius.
Totally agree. That makes it even more scary. Love it. Besides it's a great tune
and the playing of Baker Street in the gas station, a song about world's greatest detective Sherlock Holmes.
Shouting Ship I was thinking the same
exactly, it's good storytelling there
rammsteinregeln The song creeps me out at the best of times lol
Fun Fact: The Police not showing Zodiac's first victim a photo lineup that included Arthur Leigh Allen shortly after the murder is considered one of the greatest law enforcement blunders of recent history.
yea but detectives tried reaching him but he left town and wanted nothing to do with the case at all
There’s been a lot of blunders in the past.....
The police made several blunders. At one point, San Francisco PD were even looking for a black male as a possible suspect 😂😂😂
Arthur Leigh Allen didn’t become a suspect until 1972
At which point Mike had run off.
The bigger zodiac fuck up was the san Francisco police not stopping the man walking away from the Paul stine’s crime Scene
Or the fact napa, Vallejo and SanFrancisco police departments never fully shared info which each other.
@@jimmy2k4o Muppets...
David Fincher's most underrated film.
no, this film is bullshit. Its pure fiction, Graysmith didn't even know Avery in the Chronicles. The zodiac didn't call melvin belli 18 december, he never call belli in fact. Another guy made the call.
Cheney's story is bullshit. Allen was not the Zodiac, but graysmith just cant accept that
Sick Kunt The movie doesn't say that Allen was the Zodiac. It says that Graysmith believed that Allen was the Zodiac. The movie makes pretty clear that there is only circumstantial evidence against Allen. That's why the third-from-last scene is so important:
Toschi: "The prints, the handwriting..."
Graysmith: "I'm not asking you as a cop.:
Toschi: "But I AM a cop. I can't prove this."
Ultimately, while we'd like to believe Graysmith, Toschi is right. You have to go with direct evidence, and there just ISN'T any against Allen.
TitanFind bwcause allen wasnt the zodiac. But graysmith keeps believing that
We don't know for certain that Allen wasn't the Zodiac.
TitanFind dna, fingerprint... Allen wasn't the zodiac. I mean the movie is great, but after watch it you think allen was definitely the fucking zodiac. But it was just an graysmith obsession. Probably we will never know who the fuck was that motherfucker
This movie really made me feel tired, but then I realized it was intentional. The director wanted us to feel the same way the people who were trying to solve these crimes felt over the years.
I didn't feel that way, I was actually as obsessed as Robert was. I even tried to puzzle every thing, from the date of his birthday, to where the murders happened where he was at the time. Crew cut? He's bald, where are the glasses, his voice. Everything
@@ryderwashington4199 Both of you guys felt exactly the way the director intended.
@@jrob4795 I've watched this film at least 6 times since I first saw it... which was last year in May. Just trying to find one or two clues I didn't notice
@@jrob4795 so did the director want you to feel tired or obsessed? or just literally anything?
That director got the skill to make very long movies with little to no action or any kind of acts being shown, mostly just words being spoken. yet they suck you in and you can't stop watching it even if it's 3 hrs, the dialog only creates the tension the rest is just fuel for the fire. he's a master at crafting a huge fire that will passion you to sit tight till it end.
Fun fact: in real life Mike Maggio jumped out of his chair and screamed at the top of his lungs "That's him, that's the guy that shot me!" the instant they showed him Allen's photo, which for a traumatized dope fiend no one had seen in 20 years is pretty definitive confirmation if you ask me.
wow
that’s nice.
That sounds like a disturbing scene.
Where did you get your source?
He might not of done all the killings some suspect, I believe he definitely did some of them.
"YOU WILL CALL HER!"
haha yes
LOL! I knew he looked familiar...
How a one eyed man can reliably identify someone is beyond me.
MCPOYLES WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD!
RYAN, STAB SOMEBODY
One of the best true crime movies ever made.
absolutely. it still gives me chills till today man. PS: i download the movie from torrent in 2017
@@danielmcgrath680 oh sure bro. finished mindhunter during the pandemic. the BTK character is GOLD in that series too
5 years later and your statement is still true
Try memories of murder. It’s made by the same guy who made parasite. I like that more
Memories of murder
This is probably the best ending to a film. Zodiac is one of my most favorite films, it's not my first favorite, but it's ending tops all.
+Lieutenant Ivan i loved the ending and when they interview him. but i think memento had the best ending ever lol
+Lieutenant Ivan truly an awesome ending
+burningknight7 i think it's the worst ending
+Boskobo But i loved the movie
Reservoir Dogs is my fav ending ever. Zodiac is such a Killer Flick tho; I saw it in theaters 🤘🏻
You get the feeling this one thing that happened years ago has wrecked this guys life completely.
Actually Robert is still alive and has written lots of books on the zodiac killer
Mike is still alive too. Yeah, he's still messed up about it. He actually doesn't speak well since a bullet went through his tongue.
When I see the interviews with Mike in it, he seems like he experienced some mental trauma as well.
Yeah, I meant Mike. He looks like a basketcase. Understandably so.
Well i mean he got shot multiple times for no fucking reason and his girlfriend or whatever died right next to him. Of course it left marks.
It's kinda amazing, the first face that we see in the film, is also the last we see.
I think i love Fincher.
Emilio Llerena why’s that so amazing?
Symmetry
It's called a chiasmus and it is definitely symmetry.
Same that gone girl
well that face was played by diffeence actors
Robert was saying "I found you, You Sick F**k" with his eyes..........
+Sharath SH RObert doesn't cuss... it was mentioned in the movie. so nope :)
LAmotionPics That was kinda my point.
@@sharathsh9987 Pity he was proven *wrong* by all the forensic evidence.
@@paulallen8109 was he really? Good for him, I guess.
Such a chilling end. They were so close with the murder charges against Allen.
But DNA doesn't lie...it wasn't allen
@David Mcdonald
Allen had a habit of getting others to lick his stamps for him.
Try again...
@@richiefranklin76 ok,what about the fingerprints that was left of cab after he shot the cabdriver...they had blood on then so they had to have come from the ZODIAC...and the wanted poster the one with to glasses looks nothing like Allen's face..Allen was much bigger.
There is s great documentary on the cable Channel called .REELZ it's all about the ZODIAC watch it and it will change your mind about Allen being the ZODIAC the fakes just dont lie Allen was not the ZODIAC
@@davidmcdonald6804 But in March 2018, it was announced that the 2002 DNA sample was collected from outside the stamp rather than behind it, or from the envelope seal, meaning Allen could still be a suspect. So now they are apparently trying to collect DNA from the back of the stamps or from the envelope seals with new technology that allows them to separate the DNA from the glue. They're going to try to do what was done to the golden state killer, but it won't be as good because there will only be partial DNA samples, unlike with the golden state killer where they had a rape kit which gave complete DNA samples.
What makes this ending so great is the fact Michael described Arthur Leigh Allen as having a round face like the second guy he points to, indicating that he might not even remember what the Zodiac looked like. Despite confirming Allen, that moment still leaves us with a shred of doubt as to who the Zodiac really was.
Giving a 8 out of 10 is not good enough to get a conviction in court though. Has to be beyond all responsible doubt
Isn't the second guy Rick Marshall ?
Its also possible that Arthur lost weight in between the first victim's shooting and when the picture was taken?
There's a reason why eyewitness is no longer an integral part of prosecution evidence.
It's not Arthur Lee Allen.
Eyewitness ID from a chronic drug & alcohol abuser?
Pretty sure?
His first description after the shooting was much different than what Arthur Lee Allens physical appearance was in 1969.
It wasn't Arthur Lee Allen.
I love the moment when you can see Leigh Allen realize Graysmith knows. That's damn good acting and the tension is crazy.
Donovan playing at the ending gives me goose bumps every time.
+James Howard Just found out that Hurdy Gurdy Man was playing at the start of the movie during the first killing on the radio. Even creepier. David Fincher is a genius.
🎵"Came singing songs of love. Then, when the Hurdy Gurdy man came singing songs of looooveee."🎵
....
Meanwhile: Starts killing people
Why
I was 9. In 68, it was a big pop 40 ...very odd hit..d j 's used to hate it though
@@davebar2017Why?
Just imagine The Real Zodiac Killer has watched this film so many times and was like SMH. Just thinking about it is really creepy. Maybe he even watched its premiere.
Unless he died prior the film's release.
***** More than likely, he's been dead for a good while.
minkowski76 It really makes me sad that he's probably dead. He's escaped justice. Also, I hate it that we'll never know...
aerialkate Nice try...
ZODIAC!
aerialkate I know me too. I have had a interest in serial killer cases since I was a kid and it bothers me he was not caught. But I can remember doing a report on the green river killer back in school in the 90's and then 11 years later they busted his ass. I do not think it was leah the d.n.a did not match so it could not of been him? or could it of been?
Regardless of who we personally believe The Zodiac is, I think we can all agree that this ending is absolutely chilling.
y?
Been solved so
@@MrJtin69 😂😂 the people who ”solved” it are amateurs,both the fbi and all police departments in California says it’s still open and not solved
The Zodiac has to go down as the luckiest or smartest killer of all time, So much circumstantial evidence was there & everytime it seemed like they were about to get him something happened and it was back to square one all over again. I honestly believe it was more then one person
Same either working together or copycats
@@forrestcarvalho4458 I think most likely one writing the letters and one doing the killing
@@forrestcarvalho4458 definitely not copycats considering the style of handwriting and the knowledge the writer had.
he was just extremely lucky, not smart. the police were extremely incompetent.
He's only lucky he did the killing in 60s 70s. DNA testing now is more advanced than ever
John Carroll Lynch is great in the hardware store scene ... just with the subtle movement of his facial muscles, he conveys multiple emotions
I agree.
Yeah right
He's equally great in the interview scene. He projects this absolutely chilling sense of menace and physical intimidation, but having watched it many times I still can't work out how he does it. None of the usual cliches, nothing over-done, just first rate acting.
He's a great actor. In particular, there was even one episode of The Walking Dead he was in, a unique stand-alone episode only featuring him and Lennie James (Morgan), and he was amazing in it. Fan of the show or not.
That's generally how people convey multiple emotions, by moving their face muscles
Best Fincher movie, and my favorite movie of all time.
***** I know he directed Fight Club, Se7en, Gone Girl, Social Network etc. I have seen them all, so I can say, as my opinion, Zodiac is his best work.
+Lt Col Speirs I like them all including Alien 3.
+TripleA He's right you know. Technically you're just a mere fan with your opinion and these movie are actually rated by hundred thousands of other fans (Just like you) It is actually, the only evidence if you want my opinion. I bet Zodiac would be forgotten in 10 years. Hell, people are barely talking about it now
My god. You're losing it bruh xD ....Nobody got time to read all of that! LOL
+Lt Col Speirs
Any David Fincher movie except for the game and alien > Zodiac
The movie isn't even about a serial killer.
It's about the corrosive passage of *time*
Guillermo Del Toro said he watches this once a year.
What I love most about this movie is how it pulls in my obsession with Robert Graysmith's obsession with the Zodiac killer case without me even questioning why. There's a great atmosphere of unease and apprehension that the director sets in its tone throughout the movie. Most other movies in this genre would rely on shock value and or an overwhelming music score, yet this film gives us nuanced performances and low-key music and a great use of contemporary music from a bygone era.
He was a crime film buff..
He liked Puzzles..
Or maybe everyone just feel weirded out on jake is just staring back at them too 😂
Man what a depressing and creepy ending.
Dylan Ray Antill what a depressing and crappy reviewer.
We’re you expecting something different?
I watched when I was young and when I learned that this was a true story, I was hoping for an positive ending. But as the film reached it's climax and then this ending, I was like, "But they can't just let the killer win.".
But it was then I realized, HE ALREADY HAS....
I didn't get the ending
Who was the man whose photo was shown by the victim?
You mean the ending of a movie about real events after which the extremely creepy real-life serial murderer got away with all of it?
Jimmi Simpson is making an awesome performance in the scene. It gives me the chill when he says "I'm very sure that's the man who shot me".
67maverick this
He's a great actor. Definitely helped "Westworld"
yeah. he's a underrated actor, he was great in Westworld
@I drink your milkshake it's a great show for sure with an ensemble cast and good production quality. But requires a lot of patience to watch through, and it also has so many philosophical stuff which sometimes can fly through the viewer's head. still I will recommend you to watch it
@@idrinkyourmilkshake845 First season is incredible, don't bother with the rest
I fully believe it was more than one person doing the killings
Yes!
Yeah I think someone was killing and someone was writing letters and along the way the lore just got mashed together
marcus Bowman one original but other people were copycats
Fincher Wright
A lot of people think it was Lee doing the acts and his friend, Don Cheney doing the other stuff. Possibly even a 3rd man involved.
Allen's connections alone are so plenty and obvious that the DNA not matching has spawned a huge move toward the multiple people hypothesis.
The sheer number of "coincidences" with Allen are at a scale where he's almost impossible to remove as a suspect. It's not just a size or Zodiac watch thing but a ton of very creepy and VERY odd coincidences that cannot be ignored.
If, you look at the letters, even the handwriting looks different from letter to letter with some copied similarities. Its either copy cat killings, or these people worked as a team. Lee Allen was definitely involved though, but I don't think he was the only killer.
NOBODY MESSES WITH THE MCPOYLES!!! Not even zodiac himself.
Logan Wheeler 😂😂😂😂
McPoyles will take over the world!!
Lmao I was searching up and down for that reference!
I was just happy to see he finally got his eye from Frank!
0:53 some of the best acting ever, just seeing Arthur's face go from confused to the look of terror. No words said but the stare said enough.
When we are young we are told to fear monsters and ghosts, only when we grow up do we find out that Human beings are far scarier.
at 0:55 'Baker Street' starts playing, (Baker street is where Sherlock Holmes lives) signifying that he has solved the mystery
CosmicLight damm
Yo you're onto something
Damn
Genius assessment - exactly the type of thing Fincher would think of 👌
Hot damn I was trying to figure out any significance to that song.
The monologue and timing of the "spectacularly chosen" song at the end absolutely made this movie.
0:49 Robert gray smith said in his book that he stared at him for over a minute awkwardly
*"Robert Graysmith claims that he has not gotten an anonymous phone call since Leigh Allen's death."*
I cannot tell you how much I adore this film, all the actors are outstanding. The ending is so chilling 'I'm very sure, that's the man who shot me' then cuts to donavon. Amazing
I keep repeating the ending, it’s so perfect.
ok now i’m convinced to watch it
@@jacobparrot3922bruh
I love this scene cause its like "i know its you, and you know i know, and theres nothing i can do".
this is pure genius, and the story is hauntigly scary. The fact that they never caught the Zodiac killer, but that everything related to the crimes or the phone calls stopped after Leigh's death is somehow creepy.
I like the fact that Robert told his wife that he needs to find out who the zodiac is and look in his eyes and knows its him at the end of the film he does just that
Except it wasn't Arthur Leigh Allen
@@adampasternack1481 The case is opened to this very day and he is STILL the main suspect smartass
@Jim Pickens It doesn't mean he isn't,like the guy above claim. Fix your reading.
@@vileink4733 Did you heard about DNA? DNA said that wasn't Allen. And what is all.So please...
@@rowdcapitan2419 Allen is the killer
One of the best thriller movie ever
This is way TOO great. Long film.. every second worth it. THANK YOU!
Powerful and intense. Great direction and a cast of terrific actors. Saw this twice and then recently "DVR'd it" when it aired on Sundance Network. Love Sundance because they present unedited films. But noticed now, they every so often (not frequently) insert commercials. WHAT is up with THAT? Ugh...p.s. am surprised I found your comment. I rarely check, but glad I did.
aaaredskin just realized I replied to your comment, but it is under MY replies to MY comment. duh....sorry. Still feeling my way through this whole google + thing. :-( ...hope you were able to see this. Personally, I am terrible at checking any replies made to me.
to +aaaredskin no worries.I hardly check responses anyway and am even wondering if you will see this. Just "stumbled across" This Google + 'thing' changes on a day to day basis! lol!
"I just want to look into his eyes, and know that it was him"
And that is exactly what he did.
I think the reason he suffered a heart attack was cos he knew he was going to get caught and the shocked killed him
That or he is a hide and seek world champion
To OP.
He had already been to prison for other minor crimes and I doubt he could go through another trial at his age even if he was acquitted. His heart attack probably was due to an unhealthy lifestyle. He was obese (very dangerous as one gets older) , and one witness who was shown pictures of him said that he had way too round a face and body to be the man who attacked them. And listen: The DNA found on the Zodiac letter, the hand-writing, grammar and forensic evidence *didn't match* . By the time they came up with DNA forensic it was clear Arthur Leigh Allen wasn't the Zodiac killer.
He was a creep but not the murderer. Because people felt uncomfortable being close to him they jumped to conclusions he was the Zodiac killer. Most of what they had on him was so-called circumstantial evidence, but no real evidence tied him to any of the murders.
Listen, there were other suspects this movie doesn't bother with . One of them actually went to prison for a crime and the Zodiac murderers stopped pretty much simultaneously. He did in prison so if he was the Zodiac murder his secret died with him.
@@paulallen8109 who was that last man you are talking abour?
If Gary is the Zodiac killer, then this movie must’ve been a comedy to him
And what’s more chilling, if he is the killer, he died knowing he got away with the murders
It likely wasn't him
@@radicalmystic8224 I guess we'll never know
If there is an afterlife that guy is still not going to the good place
@@Andman8210 and he won't have his so called "slave"
If they can prove that Gary Francis Post was the zodiac, then your right. Imagine if you were him watching this movie in the theater decades after committing the crimes shown in the movie, and just slightly mocking everything the police did to find him knowing he got away with it all.
It really seems the whole Zodiac thing was poorly investigated, with male survivor being shown the picture of a suspect 22 fucking years later, and he said it was him 100%. As i remember with a case of a girl that got a lift from the Zodiac (he claimed in letter he was in the car): She sat next to him in a car for minutes, in real life maybe half an hour and more, before he said those chilling words (before i kill you...), she must have somehow looked at him, she must have seen his face. I mean, imagine you get a lift from a stranger, even if it's dark, you'll see his face since he is freaking sitting next to you. Why was she never questioned more by police? If she was shown the photo of Leigh, it would have been same as with Mageau, she would be sure 100%, you don't forget faces in those situations.
True! We juss will never know...
misteraxl1 in a series called buzzfeed the Guy Ryan Said that she was shown a lineup IF photographs and the man she picked out was Lawrence Kaye Kane
That man that gave her the lift was never identified as the Zodiac plus the Zodiac only preyed on couples.
that man in the car was never identified as Zodiac. and if my memory serves correctly so the movie also says that Zodiac was a attention seeker, that man in the car was someone else but Zodiac took the credit of that accident anyway. because he liked being in attention
The problem is the Zodiac kept taking credit for crimes he didn't do. He's a liar. And the best chance they had was when he shot the taxi driver. The cops thought a black man shot him, so they ignored a white guy leaving the scene.
The 2007 Oscars declared The Departed as Best Picture.
But they were wrong:
Zodiac was the best picture that year.
Zodiac is 2007, the departed came out in 2006, the winner in 2007 was no contrie for old man
The placement and timing of the song as it faded to black with the news that he still got away with it bro.. absolutely fkn brilliant film making!!!!!
People call this movie boring, and it actually makes me angry when they do lol.
nth special its borin af i was high when i saw it too n i still was bored to death
insert name that’s right go on wasting your life on drugs
The why are you here?
@@finessekeed7464 maybe you just have a short attention span
Vito Scaletta i ain wastin my life but i def wasted couple hours of my life watchin this trash ass movie🤣
Hurdy Gurdy Man stands as one of the best uses of any song for any movie ever.
This film is so different to me. It's slow and quiet, almost mundane. And that's how it gets under your skin, and you will never forget the moment you realized it's too late.
God the Allen actor did a great job acting
I feel like they missed an opportunity with that ace hardware scene, they show him writing something down on the clipboard with his left hand. Would have been disturbing as hell to see him writing with his right hand.
@@rick3844 There’s lots of false evidence in the movie. Like the scene of the maid telling Graysmith that the Zodiac called the house and said he needed to kill because it was his birthday and Graysmith concludes it was Allen’s birthday. It was actually a couple months later that that call was made and was mostly likely the mental patient who called in to the TV show. Also the scene that shows Allen wearing the wing walker boots. There’s no evidence he had a pair of those.
@@rick3844 Yeah, I love the movie but I was disappointed when I learned about certain things that were made up or left out of the movie. At least the ending is still somewhat ambiguous though.
Baker Street plays just as Jake makes his Sherlock case closed moment.
Fincher you goddamn genius.
I love alien 3 too even if you’re ashamed of it.
Liam McPoyle
Those damn McPoyle twins....
MCPOYLES RULLLLLLLLLEEEEE
sends shivers when the song breaks in
It was a great choice to end with "Hurdy Gurdy Man" as that opening scene and the song really got imbedded into my brain and under my skin. Such a powerful film, it's surprising how seemingly overlooked it is. It's a pretty long film, but you get so invested in it that it seems much shorter.
I’ll never hear Hurdy Gurdy Man without remembering this film. So damn chilling
I listen to Hurdy Gurdy man whenever I feel like being disturbed. The association of that song with this film is that strong. Which is funny since the first time I heard it was when I watched Sleepers (1996).
Love that movie, it's in my top 10 favorite movies of all time
Great scene from a great movie. Thanks for uploading.
Yo! Meat Rocket! Nice to see ya... Cawd bless...
Books...kids books
Jay Reffner cawd’
I love when at 0:56 Baker Street plays, w/ such a long journey behind him he's finally reached he end and the song that plays is a symbol of triumph, self servingly but still.
I've been enamored with this movie ever since the first time I saw it. Great acting, great pacing and perfect soundtrack
great movie one of my favourites
From 3:34, the emotions, the tension, the music...it still gives me the f*ing creeps, and I don't scare easy. This has to be among the best movie endings, ever. And being a San Francisco native, growing up in the 80s, though I don't remember the news on the zodiac, but now when I think of how old I was on the timeline of those murders, it chills my bones. Thank you for such a great (underrated) movie.
My friend's grandfather was portrayed in this film. Melvin Belli was an international lawyer that had a local radio show where the Zodiac killer would call in. My friend and his family got to choose the actor to portray their grandad. Fun facts lol
Damn that’s crazy what was that like
The beauty of this movie is the feeling of time, as in years, passing and key players who are involved in the story becoming fading memories except for graysmith.
I actually watched this film twice in a row during a long flight back from overseas. Pure cinema excellence!!!
Recently my friend has been introducing me to some amazing movies, and I'm so glad I saw this one. Definitely gonna watch it again sometime.
What other movies did he suggest?
@@1BestEnemy Lmao they probably forgot their password
@@bigbababooey1928 bruh
@@1BestEnemy did he suggest?
@@a7mad.mp428 nope. They never reply.
"Hurdy Gurdy Man" at the end gives me chills so hard I feel like I'm gonna faint. From the interviews I've seen, Michael was very hyperactive. He could not sit still and talked very fast. I'm sure in this somber moment he could have been subdued, however. I can't remember now if the real Mike is actually convinced it was Arthur Lee Allen or not. Either way, brilliant film!
The achievement of this film cannot be underestimated. This is a murder mystery with no resolution, and we already know there will be no resolution, and yet it is never for one second less than riveting.
Beautifully directed and acted scene in the hardware store.
I read in the news today, that some of the Zodiac's Cyphers have been solved.
Still leaves more questions tho 😫🤦♂️ cause wasn't it deciphered that he expected us to know who he was already
This dick
@@eddyeddy3243 funny buddy
"I am not the Zodiac. And if it where, I certainly wouldn't tell you"
It's a haunting statement, and if you delve deeper, you'll realize how much more haunting it really was than what it was on the surface.
See, the uncertainty of whether or not he was the Zodiac was the most evocative and subtle point of all, even above the points considering evidences, statements of witnesses and the like.
Arthur Leigh Allen was the most likely one right? Toscha even pointed out he was his most favorite suspect. But what would you do if even the evidences could back out on you? If there's no substance within it? I was certainly convinced that Leigh was the Zodiac and it was even stated at the concluding scene that after he died of heart attack, the inimical calls to Robert Graysmith had ceased, thus corroborating his incrimination.
He may or may not be... he certainly is, subjectively of course. In my eyes, of course. So how? why? And even if he was, his crimes would be gone unpunished.
I don't wanna sound religious, but should this Zodiac be dead, the only one that would serve him justice is the existence of hell.
That's how creepy the Zodiac killer was. He gets into you, even if he's dead already. Gone in the whirring wind, his chilling legacy unwavering.
TheLumpyHeavy The same thing with how they convicted Scott Peterson with no direct evidence (all circumstantial), if Allen was alive he would've been charged especially when one of the surviving victims ID Allen as the shooter.
TheLumpyHeavy There is no hell nor heaven. Zodiac is probably just gone, he will live as long as we let him.
***** well the dna did not match so who knows. I wish we did find out. I remember when they got the green river killer after all that time. The green river killer started killing when I was a baby and I remember coming home from work one day when I was in my early 20's and turning on the news to see they had got him at his job I was shocked.
TheLumpyHeavy does anyone else think someone set up Allen because they knew he had problems and took advantage of the situation? could be his friend that testified (or was willing to testify) against him?
maybe that's why he stopped calling Robert after Allen died to make it look more convincing..
that is what I thought. His dna did not match so it is simple it was not him. BUT then who?
Jake Gyllenhaal is an amazing actor, he nailed his role in this movie!
Wraps up in a perfect bloody bow with that song.
1:53 McPoyle!!
Just that recognition on John Carroll Lynch's face..such good acting
This shows what an awesome actor John Carroll Lynch is. He can go from frightened to cocky to threatening with just a look.
Remember when I first watched this it was a late evening in July, the sun was going down and a summer storm was rolling in. I was in Yolo County, not far from Lake Berryessa...and little by little as the sun rolled down, the wind picked up and the rain began to blow around I was getting thoroughly creeped out, because I recognized almost all the landmarks and all the killing sites.
He is gone, vanished in thin air.
I believe it was two people working together.
Dougger2006 well then again you're eleven and you were 8 when you wrote this comment. I can tell because of your name saying 2006 and people typically use their birth year for their username.
Kazrox could’ve also been the year the person graduated high school
@@kidflykai03 2006 stands for the year he made the account not his date of birth
2006 stands for the years he found Christ.
2006 is the year he got a Nintendo Wii for Christmas
I love how Graysmith gives arthur that look like " I know who you are". To me thats a victory and tells zodiac that your identity is not completely unknown. Graysmith looked him in the eyes like he said he was going to do.
Frank Reynolds was the Zodiac Killer.
Saw this in theatres. Such an awesome, underrated thriller.
Why didn't they ask Mike Mageau to identify the killer earlier than 1991?
Digital West They "lost him", didn't know where he was, and after a while they didn't care about him any more that much because they found all those other evidence which pointed on Arthur Leigh Allen.
There literally wasn't much more evidence against Allen then the short list of circumstantial notes, which are more or so coincidences.
Allen's fingerprints never matched, his arm print didn't match, DNA never matched, handwriting samples from BOTH hands never matched, never any balistic connections between Allen and Z, Allen looked nothing like the composite drawing, Officer Don Fouke has said on record that the suspect he briefly encountered the night of Paul Stine's murder was NOT ALA...so again, there's no real evidence implicating Allen.
+James Styslkinger The person Don Fouke saw was the Zodiac thats why that composite drawing was so important but goddamn they let him get away
+Digital West Yeah WTF, seems like such an obvious thing to do.
Digital West Michael Mageau was traumatized and became a drug user for a while. Reason why he kinda refused to probably
when they're staring at each other, it gives me the chills, wow that's great acting
god that guy's face says so much when graysmith just stares him down. a mix of intimidation, defeat, confusion. its so good
This is by far my favorite David Fincher project. This story, acting and music entrances me from start to finish every time I watch it. I think this and "Spotlight" would be an incredible double feature.
That was one hell of an intense ending!
I know Mageau was not available for giving information about the zodiac, but why didn't they ask the lady with the 10 month old baby to recognize Arthur Leigh Allen. She did ride with him right? Am I missing something?
Omg thank you! I wondered too! Even looked at the zodiac message boards
Tí mó tàihòu shū.
same here. Looked everywhere, they even questioned her. But, after that, it's almost like she disappeared.
+Omni presence they did talk to her (not in the movie though). i cant remember what exactly came of that.
Sean Ryan
Yes, I'm aware of that. But, when they narrowed down their suspects to Allen, I'm wondering why they didn't ask her to ID him again. She did in fact recognize the artist's sketch of the zodiac!
Omni presence pretty sure they couldnt do so legally. it might have been considered coercion.
3:44 "im very sure that's the man who shot me" I started to tear up a little ngl
For some reason, this film has an addictive quality that makes me want to watch it over and over again. Even though the runtime is long.
Fincher's best IMO.
But, in your case, people who disagree with your opinion are IDIOTS. Remember?
Sean Johnson in this case, yeah.
3:40, you hear this whisper, then the song begins... I love so much this scene.
It,s chilling to know how serial killers can have such an effect on the whole country. This is one of the most realistic actual portrayals I,I've seen but don't ever forget about the real tragedy the victims or the survivors.
Having serial killers is a first world luxury, the rest of the world has corruption and foreign savages playing hero on their lands.
Also when I wasn't really aware of that at that time. I have to say 2007 must have been a great year! Zodiac,Grindhouse,No Country For Old Men,The Assassination of Jesse James,(still not seen There Will Be Blood),The Bourne Ultimatum,(The German Football Championship)...
Just finished watching this film there on BBC 2. Absolutely brilliant viewing and the ending is absolutely outstanding. Just outstanding. I'm going to have to read the book now. I need to say though that I was absolutely gutted when Arthur Lee Allens dna returned no matches when scrutinised using new technology.
I watched aswel on bbc2. Really good movie.
xUzi786 I know. I'm bursting to know who it really was although I agree with the movie. There are a few books on it. I might get one.
+Stephen Barry the book is even better, so much more information. Don't get me wrong though, I adore this movie. Best Fincher movie
Stephen Barry some of the books are not factual
Jake Gyllenhaal (Graysmith) and John Carroll Lynch (Arthur Leigh Allen) were also in the comedy "Bubbleboy" together. Lynch played Gyllenhaal's father.
***** He was also on the Drew Carey show.
bro must have been booing the innacuracies
Bro must’ve been chilling in the afterlife and then have some random people accuse him of being an infamous killer
1:00 the best ambiguous ending of all time , when we don’t actually know wether Allen is menacing or just wondering why is Gary staring at him.
Remember guys,
*Ace is the place with the helpful hardware folks.*
LMAO! One of the best comments here. Nice.