Setting ignition timing with a timing fixture on Evinrude, Gale and Johnson motors
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- Setting ignition timing with a timing fixture on Evinrude, Gale and Johnson motors. Using a timing fixtures is a little less cumbersome than using film gauge and it gets the timing spot on for better idling and running of the motor. This is how the pros do it.
I am not the maker of these timing fixtures, but I will gladly give you the information.
Richards Outboard tools (Franks' Tools has been bought out by Richards Outboards tools)
If you would like to inquire about purchasing a very reasonably priced timing fixture for your 1950's, 60's and 70's OMC (Evinrude, Gale, Johnson) outboard, please use the follow email address or link to Richard's site.
classicomctools@gmail.com
or go to RICHARD'S OUTBOARD TOOLS website.
www.richardsoutboardtools.com/ - Věda a technologie
Thanks for this video. I have a 1964 Johnson Outboard 9.5 Model MQ-10R That belong to my late father. I am trying to get this one to run for my son's Jon boat. Not many people know about the older motors anymore.
After watching your video I purchased the timing fixture and coil ring (used to set the driver coil) for my 1973 18hp Evinrude. It made setting the points easy and right on the money - one pull starts. And the price was reasonable and worth every cent. Thks
Thank you for taking the time to make this video and explaining all the small details. I am working on my first outboard and I have watched you ignition repair video's and this video and they are very informative. Also a big thank you for including the link to Frank's tools website as I have already contacted him for prices.
Please keep up the great work - it is very helpful!
Christopher, you are welcome. I hope things go well and safe boating!! Don't forget to bring spare shear pins for your propeller.
I just used this method. By far the easiest way for setting the points. Thank you. Great tutorial
Thanks for taking the time to help with your videos. It’s greatly appreciated.
Wow! I've fought my '71 Fisherman many times and could never get the sight lines right in the middle. Now both are set so as it looks like I'm looking down rifle sights with the timing light on it! So much smoother, a lot less smoke, and the idle has never held at such a low rpm. Thanks for this great video!
BTW, The point gap now is at about .035. A meaningless measurement for sure.
Contacted Frank, I'm excited to get the tool. Great video by the way very helpful. I'm a new Outboard owner and its my first. Very excited to have this tuned, up and running smooth.
Thank you and God bless
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Hope your repairs go well. If you run into trouble, you can easily get a lot of good advice from www.aomci.org. Free to join the public site and ask questions. AOMCI (Antique Outboard Motor Club Inc.) I am a member of the National AOMCI club.
Thank you so much for the thorough explanation. My '72 Evinrude isn't idling and I'm pretty sure it's the timing. This will really help me get it running correctly. Glad you use the analog tester also because that's what I've got. You explained it perfectly.
did you find the trouble, i have a old Johnson seahorse 3hp that isn't idling too. I wonder if I have to do that too.
@@lungchan1729 Yes, that fixture enabled me to get the timing perfect. It idles smoothly and runs great. I don't know if the fixture works on the 3hp or not. I opted for the 3D printed model and it was very well made.
great video, I am working on the same thing and you took it step by step, helped a lot
Thanks for this video man. I couldn't afford the tool, but I was able to use the flywheel. It has 2 timing marks on the bottom edge. Just have to take it off and put it on a few times. I appreciate your doing this. It helped me a lot.
Your welcome!
I have had problems with those CDI coils at idle speed. I have gone back to using OMC coils. They are only about $5 more. Thanks for the information. I am going to get one of those.
Thanks a million!! Just received a 58 10 hp EvRd. Sporttwin... done w all the rebuild work except this last of what was for me an unknown task
Until your tutoring. I'm ready now thanks to you and your fine efforts. God bless you.
Excellent video! Gotta do this to the motor I just bought.
What's the difference between doing this and setting the shoes to .02 when each shoe is lined up to the top with the arrow next to it on the cam? Are both the same process? It's on video 5 or 6 of seven when youre talking about tearing down the mag plate and checking all the condensers and coils.
Very nicely done! Clear instructions.
Thanks for the very informative video.
Do I have to put in forward gear and advance the throttle all the way when setting like this?
Would you get a continuity if all the the wires was hooked up like runing with the points not touching
Good job great information
Awesome video very clear tutorial
Any idea how to set the air gap on the sensor coil and ignition coil under the flywheel on a 1978 Evinrude 15 hp? Where it doesn't rub, is there a tool for that?
Nice video !
How do you check MAX TIMING
Or set max timing
Is there a stop somewhere
I have a 1976 evinrude 6 hrs. tried to adjust the carb for low idle to troll W/ no avail. after making sure it was clean "looks new" So i readjusted the carb. checked the timing with a light within the marks. it only goes top speed of 5.1 mph.. I can't figure this out.. it should run around 15mph from the videos i have watched. Have ant pointers or tips on hot to get more top end speed increased
grerat video!! Thank you for your time...
You are very welcome :)
Where do you get one of those timing tools?
Great video, but you might have pointed out that torqueing the flywheel 40lbs is for a little 3hp. Would be different for larger motors with larger diameter cranks, flywheels and threads. However, that not withstanding, I am obliged that you went to the trouble of making this video available to the masses. It is a very good tutorial.
Do you happen to know the dwell angle? If you could spin it with a drill motor you could get the points perfect by setting the dwell.
Where can I find this timing fixture today can help
good vid
Hi, I need some help, the points are new, the coils and condensers also new, have continuity between coils and spark plug connectors, did the alignment as you explained (thanks for the video!!) but still only have spark on the lower, not on the top.
Switch and spark plugs are also new.
Any idea what could be?
My engine is a 40hp Johnson 1970 (40ES70A)
Thanks in advance
Did you figure it out? I have the same problem
I lost the volume on this video. I just watched 7 of your other ones with no problem. did you have the volume off on this one ?
The volume setting is on. I just checked it and there was sound. Might have been glitch.
i have a 15 hp envinrude it was running and my friend drop it in the water. after he drop in the water its stop running. no spark at all.... just wondering what's wrong with it.
Not a simple question to to resolve with a simple quick answer. Multiple things could effect no spark or running. If the motor was running while the motor was submerged, then their is a possibility that your connection rods could damaged or bent. If it was dropped in and not running, then you need to get the flywheel off asap and dry everything under the flywheel and clean and set the points asap! You want to run your motor on 16:1 or 24:1 fuel mix, so you can properly lubricate a motor on the inside! If you look in the spark plug hole and their is signs of dirt or sand, then the powerhead will need to be taken apart, cleaned and new gaskets.
The longer you wait to see about the motor the higher risk of damaging the inside of the powerhead with rust.
PLEASE. go to
www.aomci.org
and sign up to gain access to ask a member portion. It is important that you do this right and i am stuck at work until past the weekend. I am a paid member of the AOMCI and can assure that there are a bunch of guys that can give you good information and guidance.
Where can I buy that tool?
Do u have to start with the top piston at TDC
No !
hello, can i do it on a 60 hp johnson1990 with CDI
thcrivellari, the timing fixture is used for a magneto system that has points and condensers. Your motor motor has a ignition modules (power packs), so no points or condensers.
If, you are having ignition troubles, iboats has a great bunch of guys that could easily help you out.
www.iboats.com
Sorry, i could not have been more help.
what position would the throttle handle be in to correctly do this process?
Go here to download instruction sheets. I have acquired the tooling to make these tools from Frank and I have instructions posted on my site. www.richardsoutboardtools.com
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I was unable to connect to Frankstools. Is there another way to contact him?
You can contact me thru my website, as I have taken over for Frank. www.richardsoutboardtools.com or send me an email to : classicomctools@gmail.com
I typed that wrong...www.richardsoutboardtools.com
I contacted you.
This is the real deal guys i ordered mine and received it with super fast shipping test fitted looks very promising.
This was a missing link to what I was looking for!... Still no spark ☹️.
How about the gap?
The way your setting the points is finr but how do you know if its going to .020 when they open fully?
Afternoon texasfarmboy1. When you are using a timing fixture as shown above, the gap of 0.020 is not necessary. The timing fixture as well as the timing marks on the magneto plate allow you to set the points at the precise time the points are to open to allow spark to be sent to the cylinder when the piston reaches its high point for combustion. Gapping the points at 0.020 does not factor at all in this method. Either your using a timing fixture or points gapping gauge.
Now, if you are using a points gauge (points gap method), then the points gap of 0.020 at the high point of the points cam is necessary.
So you would use one method or the other and not a combination of both.
I hope this explanation answers your question.
Sure does! Thank you. I need all the help I can get. I have no clue but wan't this old motor to run so bad I can't stand it. Put most all new parts in and converted to single fuel line and it wan'ts to surge and only idles in the start position. I feel it might be fuel but have watched your vid over and over looking for clues.
Texasfarmboy1, what make, model, hp, or year outboard you have? Can you you supply the model number number, year, or hp? Have you ever been to www.aomci.org ? I have worked on those Evinrude, Johnson and Gale outboard models that use the pressure tank system. I'll be glad to help.
Its a Johnson qd16 1955 10hp. I seen guys do fuel convertions using the briggs Stratton fuel pumps so thought i'd try it. Either the pump is bad or fuel lines to small or I don't have the timing right. i'm going to fix all these thing and then see where i'm at.
At the bottom of that carburetor, there should be a sintered or porous stone like fuel filter. Soak that filter in 1 part water and 1 part pinsol cleaner. Do not use chem dip or carburetor cleaner on that filter, because it can destroy that filter. Some hot water and pinesol in a bowl. Let it soak for couple of hours and use pressurized air to blow out the junk. Repeat soaking if necessary.
A dirty filter can cause fuel delivery can cause a fuel delivery issue.
Your fuel mixture should be 24 to 1 ratio. Don't let anyone tell you 40:1 or 50:1 is ok because of modern 2 cycle oil. That motor has bushings on the crankshaft to connection rods and not needle bearings.
The marks you need are on the flywheel ! Find them you won't need to buy a tool but follow the procedure shown
Harold Rozell where can I order these Frankstools?
Earl, see the other post where a guy named Richard has taken over for Frank making these tools:
.www.richardsoutboardtools.com
Richard White-10 months ago (edited)
You can contact me thru my website, as I have taken over for Frank. www.richardsoutboardtools.com or send me an email to : classicomctools@gmail.com
It is a good idea to pull your plugs so you don't get the back pressure from the pistons.
How do I know which coil goes to which cylinder if I'm standing behind the motor
Follow the spark plug wire to the coil
Is there ANY CHANCE.... I could get on a short phone call! Please... your videos have helped me so much. I just need a tip on timing.
OH my G...!
Looked everywhere trying to locate one of these outboard motor ignition timing setting fixtures. Anyone know where I can find one?
richardsoutboardtools.com/
Ron here is the link to get the timing tool and couple of other useful items. richardsoutboardtools.com/
Buenos días tengo un motor johnson 25hp 2 tiempo a platino año 1976 lo quiero poner a cdi
where did you get the timing tool?
I am not the maker of these timing fixtures, but I will gladly give you the information.
Franks's Tools
If you would like to inquire about purchasing a very reasonably priced timing fixture for your 1950's, 60's and 70's OMC (Evinrude, Gale, Johnson) outboard, please use the follow email address.
frankstools@verizon.net
or go to FRANKS OUTBOARD TOOLS
www.franksoutboardtools.com
A note here, Frank no longer makes these tools as I have bought his jigs and fixtures... My website is: www.richardsoutboardtool.com
What position is the throttle on the tiller set to?
Charles, I have many detailed genuine factory service manuals for Evinrude, Johnson, and Gale motors. A couple mention placing the throttle/tiller setting to full advance and some don't even mention positioning of the throttle. I have done it both ways and have come out with the same result. It certainly wont hurt having the tiller set to full advance. I hope this helps you out.
Throttle has zero to do with this adjustment.
At what point do you set the point gap??
0.20"
I ordered one of these tools from Richard White but, it doesn't work for me. My issue is my 1957 18hp Evinrude Fastwins flywheel hash tags doesnt line up with the hash tags on the armature! No matter what I do, I cant get either top or bottom side even close! Also, when I try to do it with the flywheel on, the access hole in flywheel to adjust the points isn't at all close to the points! It's over the coil. The keyway is on the flywheel correctly but the hole is not over the points to make the adjustment!! I even bought the timing adjustment tool above, to see if that would work but, when the tool is lined up with the hashtags, the points are not on the thick part of the cam! I've removed it and examined it probably 18-20 times and I am left scratching my head in absolute bafflement! This was running 3 weeks ago but, rough so this was to replace points. So I finally just eyeballed each of the two sets of points foot (one at a time of course)on the thickest part of cam and set each to 20. But, the hash tags still don't match up! I haven't tried starting it yet as I am anxious it won't work and I will be stuck again! Any ideas???
I need to clarify: I CAN get them to line up but, I can't get the hashtags on the flywheel to line up with the armature plate when the cam is at the thickest part where the points open up. I;m completely stumped. Any suggestions are very much appreciated!. I can take pictures or a short video to show what I am talking about. Thank you in advance!
NobodySpecialdotorg richard
Please go to www.aomci.org
Create an account for free under the ask a member forum. It will be much easier to help you, because I can post links and pictures to help you. Also there are other members that can lend advice if I am busy at work.
Title your post as "1957 Evinrude 18hp ignition issues."
If you are using the timing fixture, please do not try combining timing fixture method with the points gap method using a Field gauge. The gap of 0.020 does not apply to timing fixture method.
Also make sure your points cam is not flipped upside down. The word "top" should be facing you or a dot should be visible.
Go back and review the video and follow it to the letter. If you need help can obtained on the www.aomci.org forum under ask a a member. It's free.
Thank you for the reply CajunCook! I signed up for an account and waiting approval. Once it's approved, then I will post a question with the title of 1957 Evinrude 18hp ignition issues . Thanks again for your advice and awesome videos.
@@nobodyspecialdotorgrichard5971 I know it's two years ago, but I'm having that very issue.
Access hole over the coil is normal when the timing marks are aligned because that's when the points are just beginning to open therefore the flywheel must rotate further to get to the wide open position where you can see the gap through the hole.
Is this how you gap the points
great work one thang you should add is MiG plate should be full advanced on hash mark wen setting point .thank you great info.
Nonsense !
timing marks on flywheel don't match up with setting points (why)
Ron are you using a timing fixture as shown in the above video or are you using the points gapping method with a points gauge?
Im getting continuity no matter if my points are touching or not
The only way that can happen is if you did not disconnect the coil and condensor wires.
My points will not stay set they keep moving even after torquing the crap out of the screw!!! I have set them a dozen times and every time i go out they move!!
Nnice
Is there anyway to set it without these things
You can use the points gap method. If you look in my list of videos they have a series of complete ignition inspection and how to clean and set points with a feeler gauge. It is a very reliable method as well. If you have to replace the points and condenser, please get OEM brand and no aftermarket(Sierra or Mallory). There have been quality issues with points.
www.marineengine.com sells oem (BRP) as well as aftermarket.
@@cajuncookone thank you helped alot
cajuncookone
I am trying to contact you, I am the President of the MOB Chapter of the AOMCI, you can find my contact info in the 2017 Directory. Thanks
Please lube that camera tripod
you had some good info about buying the jig but I don't think you have to break the process down like you're talking to a 2nd grader.
Dennis Falan
Dennis, I purposely explained the procedure in a detailed fashion in order to make it easier for people who do not have mechanical experience. This video was made to help individuals at all skill levels to repair a vintage johnson, evinrude or gale ignition. I have had people with little to no outboard mechanical experience give thanks in assisting with outboard repair. I make no money what so ever from these videos or tools. No demeaning intentions what so ever was intended.
Cheers,
Cajun
So as someone who is new to antique/classic outboards, I thought his description was fine. I didn't feel like it was demeaning or 2nd grader level- it's a "say what you are going to teach; teach it, say what you just taught" type video...
I'm 17 years old and working on a 1961 gale 15 hp. this is the first time im under a flywheel so every little bit of extra explanation was extremely helpful
Dennis Dennis Falan So this guy makes a very detailed video on a procedure that many people have difficulties understanding and this video is aimed at all levels of individuals that are trying to gain knowledge and all you can complain about is the fact that the process seemed to insult your intellectual intelligence because the video maker was taking all levels of intellectual comprehension into account and this hurts your huge ego? Dennis, you are a prick in my opinion with so little insight into what's really going because it's all about you! Sure it was 2 years ago you made this comment but that is no excuse!
@@NINJUTSUguy Lol is that supposed to make me feel bad?